63b972 No.15391593
are there any RPGs that portray religion somewhat positively or at least neutrally? everything I've played so far is "LOL RELIGION IS EVIL"
also this is a strictly vidya thread only, let's keep the thread free of religion in-fighting, that's what /pol/ is for
616041 No.15391607
>>15391593
>everything I've played so far is "LOL RELIGION IS EVIL"
Because it's true
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63b972 No.15391618
>>15391607
but games are fantasy
61a1c8 No.15391632
Okami is pretty much 100% pro faith, and most roguelikes have a system of choosing a higher power to believe in.
803f83 No.15391636
Does Castlevania Symphony of the Night onward count? Religious institutions are important parts of the fight against Dracula and his forces. Only evil ones are Dracula cultists.
209569 No.15391699
>>15391636
I don't really know what OP is playing because I can think of a lot of games with religion in them but not many where all religion is evil.
9a99e9 No.15391712
>>15391699
It's a common trope in JRPGs for religion to either be cartoonishly evil or a psyop created by some other deity to manipulate mankind. Grandia II and Tales of Xillia come to mind.
c65511 No.15391724
4373cc No.15391761
Religion is verboten by the liberals in the west, and even if you did try to portray it, it's potentially a minefield of proper representation as well. The Japanese ironically play more with Christian themes and iconography, but you can't expect them to get it right being that Christianity is so far removed from their experience - and you can't really expect soul-less bugmen to fully appreciate or express spiritual matters.
Kingdom Come is probably the closest game to incorporating the Christian religion in a proper manner, and even then - your largest exposure to it is a bunch of cloistered monks who are too pious to dirty their hands dealing with the common man - and a "wacky" drunken heretic priest. You can also persecute a group of proto-protestants, which is pretty fun.
94b593 No.15391782
Hemmingway was p. funny.
>Religion is the opium of the people. He believed that, that dyspeptic little joint-keeper. Yes, and music is the opium of the people. Old mount-to-the-head hadn't thought of that. And now economics is the opium of the people; along with patriotism the opium of the people in Italy and Germany. What about sexual intercourse; was that an opium of the people? Of some of the people. Of some of the best of the people. But drink was a sovereign opium of the people, oh, an excellent opium. Although some prefer the radio, another opium of the people, a cheap one he had just been using. Along with these went gambling, an opium of the people if there ever was one, one of the oldest. Ambition was another, an opium of the people along with a belief in any new form of government. What you wanted was the minimum of government, always less government. Liberty, what we believed in, now the name of a MacFadden publication. We believed in that although they had not found a new name for it yet. But what was the real one? What was the real, the actual, opium of the people? He knew it very well. It was gone just a little way around the corner in that well-lighted part of his mind that was there after two or more drinks in the evening; that he knew was there (it was not really there of course). What was it? He knew very well. What was it? Of course; bread was the opium of the people. Would he remember that and would it make sense in the daylight? Bread is the opium of the people.
209569 No.15391785
>>15391761
I think Inquisitor did a really good job of portraying the corruption within the medieval Catholic Church while maintaining the integrity of the religion itself and without demonizing the heresies (aside from the one that was literally summoning demons).
63b972 No.15391794
>>15391761
>your largest exposure to it is a bunch of cloistered monks
shame, I'd like a game where religion has a big impact not only narratively but also somewhat reflected in gameplay… like having different opposed factions and schools in the same religion (like catholicism vs protestantism vs orthodoxy, and ability to join different orders, some more pious than others, with gameplay and small narrative effects). Just play any fantasy game nowadays and everyone is a free spirit of sorts even though the setting is clearly middle ages inspired. Fucking devs love the setting and at the same time dislike religion so much that they only include it as uninteresting lore dumps or to shit on the concept.
a52be1 No.15391802
aaeb04 No.15391804
7a15e1 No.15391810
>>15391712
In JRPGs is usually "jewish deities are evil"
9a99e9 No.15391815
>>15391794
It's the Current Year, shitlord. Sexist and bigoted concepts like "historical accuracy" and "reality" aren't inclusive or progressive. Not all views have to be respected. Bake my cake.
94b593 No.15391818
>>15391802
A universal fantasy of all peoples throughout history around the globe, of course. But we know better now don't we? The "Western" intellectuals proved it all a lie and everyone before them as fools and now the world is a better place full of materialism, depression, and meaninglessness.
4b6dec No.15391827
The first Dragon Age has a neutral approach to religion al-a The Catholic Church The Chantry, Islam Qunari and the Orthodox Church Tevinter Chantry
2f7a60 No.15391836
Dragon Quest almost got away with it but then 7 made God into boss fight where he uses attacks like "underpants dance" and "silly joke"
94b593 No.15391838
Almost all portrayals of religion in games are extremely humanistic ones, ala Xenogears.
4c7151 No.15391867
098c21 No.15391897
Shekelmiester 2000: Interactive Talmud Teacher!
Released by Matzo Interactive
33c128 No.15391994
>>15391818
You say that yet most of the western world is still religious and the amount of people suffering from depression is greater than the population of atheists. We are in the middle of a cultural paradigm shift and that's where a lot of depression and the perceived lack of meaning in living is coming from.
The world is undergoing heavy changes and people are having trouble finding their place in it. There are atheists who are far happier than most religious people and there are religious people far more depressed than any atheist suffering from existential dread.
The issue is far bigger than "People were living in blissful ignorance and now live in depressing enlightenment" (Never mind the fact that all Buddhist monks who claim to have found enlightenment are the happiest fucks on the planet). Human society for tens of thousands of years has been based around being industrious and working harder to get ahead. But now we live in an increasingly automated society where creativity and working smarter is more valuable and you can see that when the good goy worker bees who haven't exercised a deep thought once in their life complain about how they lost their thoughtless "assembly line" jobs.
One of the biggest issues facing people today is that our education systems are still training the youth to be industrious and to work harder with few schools adopting the new paradigm. I was lucky to take part in a charter school for my secondary education and I can say I benefited deeply from a school that embraced the new paradigm (and so did my classmates as our math scores were on par with New Zealand). The future is still a bright place, but unfortunately the world is still having trouble agreeing on basic moral principles.
b93c6f No.15392012
c48477 No.15392025
>>15391994
>am depressed because I have a lack of meaning in living
theres a lot more to being depressed than meaning in life . Hormonal/genetic, loneliness, abuse, etc. it may be true that some people are depressed because of the "no meaning existence", i don't think its as big of a factor as you may think (unless there are statistics that you can find of course)
94b593 No.15392040
>>15391994
The upper levels of society is comprised almost exclusively of atheists, so makes no difference if shallow peasants are ostensibly religious if the elite lacks all conception of transcendence, as hierarchy is the rule of life. So you get materialistic productivity with no purpose, lack of understanding of innate castes, and rationalism that leads to lives empty of all morality.
Those heavy changes of which you speak are a direct result of the shift to rational materialistic egalitarian thinking, which made great strides technologically while losing all conception of spirit and inexorably continues with the attempt to make a perfect society as if all men were merely moldable resources, leading to more and more dissolution and the subsequent evil this entails. This is a degeneration of hard earned wisdom and therefore ignorance of the inner self reigns while cause and effect are misapprehended.
009a4a No.15392065
>>15391593
Literally every RPG where the cleric is the healer class. Good luck feeling persecuted with that cliche, christcuck.
209569 No.15392067
>>15391794
Again, Inquisitor.
7a9dbd No.15392096
Most JRPGs and Anime are atheist propaganda. Hurrdur no God.
2215ee No.15392101
Black and White and Black and White 2?
3d6883 No.15392137
>>15391593
>at least neutrally
That's pretty much every game where gods are indisputable personifications of aspects of reality. The best example of this off the top of my head is Gothic 1 and 2 I didn't play the 3rd one so I'm not sure if it applies. I can't think of any instance where any character would question the faith itself. There's a good god, lawful god and a evil god. You worship good and lawful gods if you want to have peaceful and just world, you worship the evil god if you want to fuck over others and bring demons into the world. With who the good guys are established, any discussion on the matter of validity of religion is simply retarded in context of the world.
Nice touch in Gothic 2 is a priest of the lawful god at the city's shrine and he's telling the stories about the creation of the world and the nature of the gods to the citizens. I always liked listening to his comfy preaching.
>positive
RPGs set in DnD. There's a lot of temples dedicated to good deities that do charity, heal people and sometimes hire assassins to kill wicked people. Paladins are unironic heroes in shining armor that help the poor and the weak. Aside from that one edgy atheist from Never Winter Nights 2, I don't remember any examples of criticizing the belief itself which he pays greatly for, after his death if I remember correctly.
c7a927 No.15392194
>>15391593
Dragon Quest games and also the Mana games.
917c04 No.15392211
>>15391593
Kingdom Come: Deliverance
b35167 No.15392220
>>15391818
>religion is a universal fantasy
>islam = shintoism
>western intellectuals proved it all a lie
>everybody was religious before the intellectuals
>no, really, guys, there were no atheists
I swear to fuck, you christfags, get your head out of your ass.
b6d787 No.15392228
>>15392220
christ denied you quads
begone
b35167 No.15392234
>>15392228
Same to you, faggot. Though, seems to me, you are worshiping kek, not christ.
c7a927 No.15392239
Anon you realize this thread is a mistake right? You might as well just delete it now before it turns into an angry cesspool of shitposting and identity politics.
0c7423 No.15392241
What about games where you secure people's faith through example by doing good deeds and quests?
b6d787 No.15392242
>>15392234
heh, i worship no one, people or should i say, sheeple worship me
3d6883 No.15392247
>>15392176
I agree, but that part was specifically about the gods of Gothic. I'm not that versed in lore, but gods of Faerun don't seem essential to the existence of the world, on the top of that ALL gods, both evil and good seem to be conspiring as a divine mafia to fuck up everyone that'd go against the rule of gods.
In Gothic it's different, good things like the sun, law, order, harmony of nature and everything that allows humanity to thrive seem to be direct manifestations of the Innos and Adanos. While darkness, hatred, demons and tyranny are the manifestation of Beliar.
b35167 No.15392249
>>15392241
Robin hood? But, are his deeds good, or bad?
c18240 No.15392253
>>15392228
He's right, though. Atheism has been around just as long as religion. That being said, the issue isn't with atheists, but leftists. It's when you combine these two groups that you get fedora tipping faggots in need of some cranial ventilation. Same shit with Christians that drink the Kool Aid and want to import every nigger from Africa into their country.
0c7423 No.15392259
>>15392249
The needs of the many out weigh the few. And thumbsucker was exploiting his position to sin for his greed anyway.
c18240 No.15392261
>>15392249
Considering he's fighting against an unjust ruler, and in the name of the rightful king's subjects, I'd say his deeds are good. Also, a neat feature in the game is that killing guards will make people like you less because even they are simply following orders.
0c7423 No.15392268
>>15392261
The guards have their families to feed too. Makes sense for them to be in the position that they are in.
69e5cb No.15392270
>>15392137
Atheists become another brick in the wall.
c18240 No.15392282
>>15392268
Robin Hood really is an unappreciated classic. Commandos 2 and Desperados usually hog all the glory and barely anyone talks about Robin Hood despite having quite a lot of interesting and novel features, ranging from base management to neat character abilities.
94b593 No.15392285
>>15392220
Man's concept of his connection to divinity is expressed by different cultures in different ways, according to geography, racial disposition, and lifestyle, yes. Mass rationalism was spread as a byproduct of the European enlightenment, yes. This is part of a cycle that was foreseen centuries ago, yes. Me, a Christian, nope. You, a fool who isn't even aware of his own ignorance, yes.
0c7423 No.15392329
I wouldn't mind if games had more plots about gods falling in love with mortals. Lufia and the Fortress of Doom and to an extent Lufia II had this. Yes the four Sinistrals were called "the Four Mad Gods" in Japanese. Lufia's plot point always centers around Erim, the Sinistral of Death falling in love with the hero in some way. This eventually drives her to finally end her cycle of grief in The Legend Returns on Gameboy (her husband being the hero 100 years prior no longer alive). I'd love to see a continuation of the series's plot involving Erim's direct descendents if she has any.
However…
Tencent-Square-Enix owns Taito and Neverland Co. the developer shut down in 2014. The original creators fucked off years ago before the Taito buyout and never want anything to do with modern Square Enix.
8586cf No.15392339
>>15391994
>You say that yet most of the western world is still religious and the amount of people suffering from depression is greater than the population of atheists.
How the fuck does that correlate? This is reddit fedora tipper tier logic.
Religion is the thing that built the western world.
>We are in the middle of a cultural paradigm shift
We are ALWAYS in the middle of that, there are always shifting paradigms.
>That's where a lot of depression and the perceived lack of meaning in living is coming from.
Yes and no, depending on who's eyes you're looking from. There will always be someone unhappy in society, back then it was the shitskins and faggots, but now the unhappy ones are the white man, not everyone is in a little group.
Whoever is kvetching about nihilism and a lack of meaning just read some nietzsche quotes from reddit, and completely misinterpreted his views.
It comes from kikes being kikes and pushing shit people don't want, but have the normalfags understand it to be something they need anyways.
I.E, Status, Money, Power, (((Diversity))) and delusions of self expression like gender and tranny shit.
It's a big confusion due to (((Progressive Values))) being pushed onto society by neoliberal jews, and having a useless cosmopolitan self absored generation of cunts unsure of what they want, or who they are, then letting shitskins take what little they have, parade racial supremacy without having the white man justifiably do the same. This generation just needs a hearty dose of testosterone and discipline, the rumination that young, lost people have is very tragic. They can't express themselves in a productive way, they're always hitting their head against the wall.
Lack of meaning is rooted from lack of pride, and the self love needed to thrive in an homogeneous society is absent.
>The world is undergoing heavy changes and people are having trouble finding their place in it.
The sky is blue guys, holy fucking shit!!
I'll level with you though, I would agree that the changes that are happening right now are moving way too fast, it's (((artificially))) moving on now, not a natural shift in the slightest. We all know who is behind this.
>There are atheists who are far happier than most religious people and there are religious people far more depressed than any atheist suffering from existential dread.
Not really, religious folk tend to be more fulfilled than them, since who they perceive as god gives them a clear motive to keep going and do better, quicker. Their morals are typically much simpler than atheists.
This is why kikes are attacking christianity so hard, it's the fastest way to demoralize EVERYBODY.
They're using different religions to fight against each other instead of having them fight a common enemy.
Religion usually gives people a place of comfort and belonging, without that, it's contrived.
Regardless, there's no actual correlation when you get down to it. You will be miserable regardless of being religious or not.
http://archive.is/X5gqf
There are MANY MORE factors than being religious that contributes to happiness and unhappiness, also one more thing–
Happiness isn't truth
Happiness is just one emotion out of many, if you're pursuing happiness as a sort of thing you can hold, embrace, and have it stay with you forever, you've already fucked up. You need to have balance.
8586cf No.15392342
>>15391994
>The issue is far bigger than "People were living in blissful ignorance and now live in depressing enlightenment" (Never mind the fact that all Buddhist monks who claim to have found enlightenment are the happiest fucks on the planet).
You contradicted yourself, right here. You're implying in order to find enlightenment, you need to be fucking miserable about it? Does everything with you have to be bipolar, either extreme sadness or extreme happiness?
That's stupid. You are stupid.
>Human society for tens of thousands of years has been based around being industrious and working harder to get ahead.
It still is, kikes have just tried pushing so much pretentious psuedo-philosophical shit to push people astray, and focus more on feefees that don't go anywhere, rather than building character and strength.
>Now we live in an increasingly automated society where creativity and working smarter is more valuable
Fuck no, what fucking planet are you on? I've seen very little of that, creativity is dead, not because the people have no imagination, but because the people chosen by the fat cats to entertain and "innovate" are a bunch of pretentious fucking hacks who play it safe.
Being raw, honest and gritty is not kosher, goy!
I'm wondering what you are referring to when you say this though, maybe we're on the wrong foot here.
>You can see that when the good goy worker bees who haven't exercised a deep thought once in their life complain about how they lost their thoughtless "assembly line" jobs.
Alright, you're on a good path, yes, there are people who aren't used to losing their jobs, and are way too fucking obedient for their own sake.
How does this match with what you said earlier though? I'll assume you're referring to shitty, boring corporate office jobs and let you have this one.
Regardless, it has to do with people being numbed and dumbed down to be super sensitive faggot fuck snowflakes by the zionists on top. If the goyim fend for themselves, then daddy schlossberg can't be the hero.
Let's not forget the illegal immigrants and refugees that poured in to take the heavier jobs for cheaper pay, so it's harder for young white men to have a start at something productive while paco is cutting weeds and plants for the minimum wage, or even less.
>One of the biggest issues facing people today is that our education systems are still training the youth to be industrious and to work harder with few schools adopting the new paradigm.
"Still" "Few"
So are they still doing it, or not? You say they're still doing it, as in they never stopped, but you also say a few of them only do it, implying the majority never did it to begin with.
You contradicted yourself again, you are making my head hurt.
Being industrious is not bad, people learn to fend for themselves with it, self sufficiency and sustainability.
>I was lucky to take part in a charter school for my secondary education and I can say I benefited deeply from a school that embraced the new paradigm (and so did my classmates as our math scores were on par with New Zealand)
Not so much your syntax, eh? A lot of what you've said is high school pop philosophy with a dash of post-modern dogshit, it leads nowhere and is only skin deep, asking more of question, that delivering a solid answer.
This is the text version of television static.
What fucking paradigm as well? You're so cryptic about it, are you still talking about atheism?
>The future is still a bright place, but unfortunately the world is still having trouble agreeing on basic moral principles.
Gee, I wonder (((Why))), I wonder what kind of person would go around trying to stir shit to have people beat the fucking shit out of each other so they can reap in the goods of the bloody aftermath.
63b972 No.15392389
<don't turn the thread into /pol/
>turns the thread into /pol/
I guess I was too optimistic…
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94b593 No.15392409
>>15392339
Societies that never knew Jews foretold of the Kali Yuga, the power of Jews is an expression of this type of age, since in a healthy culture their ideas would find no purchase. Always people get cause and effect confused.
>>15392342
>What fucking paradigm as well? You're so cryptic about it, are you still talking about atheism?
He means the same of rational egalitarian Marxist historical materialism, i.e. if everyone was taught the "right" way we would all be creative geniuses who could learn any high-tech job and just build robots to clean our sewers. It's an ignorance of castes.
0c7423 No.15392418
>>15392389
Yes you were. Yes you were.
c18240 No.15392424
To salvage this shitpile of a thread, instead of asking for games that don't demonize religion, what are some games that put a unique gameplay spin on faith?
2c7082 No.15392426
>>15392247
>In Gothic it's different, good things like the sun, law, order, harmony of nature and everything that allows humanity to thrive seem to be direct manifestations of the Innos and Adanos. While darkness, hatred, demons and tyranny are the manifestation of Beliar.
An interesting, though undeveloped idea in Gothic 3, was that in the desert people hated the sun(Iinos), because it was it brought droughts and suffering, and thus they preferred the shadows(Beliar) which they saw as being cold and refreshing. Sadly the game never went anywhere with it I couldn't play further in that garbage of a game(even with the community patch) to see if they developed further the idea.
38566e No.15392428
Oh boy, christfags have come to spread the word of some thousand year old goatfuckers, ebin,
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f2ef88 No.15392440
94b593 No.15392456
>>15392389
You asked a vapid question in a very subjective manner, what did you expect?
63b972 No.15392463
>>15392456
excuse me I forgot we are in the paradigm of deep vidya discussion that is /v/
38566e No.15392467
>>15392463
expecting anything good from /v/ is always a mistake.
b16809 No.15392480
>>15391794
I figure a bunch of GSGs must have something along the lines of what you're describing, but I don't have the autism to play them so I can't say for sure.
ce570e No.15392485
>>15391994
>that fig
Wait a sec..
94b593 No.15392490
>>15392463
>Everyone must act like a retard to hide their lack of intellect when discussing video games.
63b972 No.15392496
>>15392490
>everyone must submit a philosophical thesis to get some vidya recommendations
566d75 No.15392505
>>15391712
That's because most themes are allegories for the white industralisation and invasion of Japan and thus the end of the ancient traditions. Most of the time religion=christianity.
b8acae No.15392506
There really is a shortage of games that present A. God/ gods as real, but not effectively "real" enough to be undeniable and B. God/ gods are very powerful and benevolent.
This is especially a problem in most JRPGs, to the point where you can always expect the final boss to be either god who is secretly evil but manipulative or evil god (or someone using evil god power).
Hell, I was pleasantly surprised by Xenoblade 2 basically saying that God is overall benevolent and omnipotent but is discouraged by humanity
Its a shame they couldn't help but do the whole "organized religion is evil" reddit tier shit though.
c18240 No.15392521
>>15392506
>Its a shame they couldn't help but do the whole "organized religion is evil" reddit tier shit though.
Comes from a period in the 16th century where Jesuits were trying to start shit in Japan and incited several revolts against the shogunate.
Also, Japan doesn't exactly have a good history with cults.
94b593 No.15392543
>>15392496
Recommendations based around open-ended questions about religion will provoke some discussion. I gave my answer, that video games almost always revolve around a humanistic portrayal of religion. Tangent policing is the refuge of people who want to control the conversations around them. Filter and move on or start a thread with a more coherent question if it bothers you.
84b682 No.15392546
>>15392506
>A. God/ gods as real, but not effectively "real" enough to be undeniable
Plenty of JRPGs reference Shinto shit, orat the very least a very similar interpretation of such. You get ashit ton of "great spirit of" or "protector of" which under Shinto would be most likely interpreted as Kami. If you're wanting Christian/pantheon style though those always come with the preloadedproblem of "why is god/s not taking care of this and I am?" For any threat on a national or global scale.
209569 No.15392547
>>15392220
Throughout history, there have been about as many religious intellectuals as there have been atheist pseudo intellectuals and vice versa.
ca58a2 No.15392555
Most of the ff games have a somewhat positive spin on religion, with 10 being the big exception to that.
Even ff14, which has an catholic-church-in-everything-but-name playing the role of antagonist for an expansion, where you literally kill the pope still justifies their actions as dramatic but necessary to fight against the encroaching empire, as well as the evils of the Ascians.
The pope fight is still probably one of the best fights iv'e seen in an mmo visually. Shit is rad as fuck
c31d5b No.15392556
>>15392521
>>15392521
>Comes from a period in the 16th century where Jesuits were trying to start shit in Japan and incited several revolts against the shogunate.
Yeah, it was the missionaries who were evil along with the evil converted Christian Japanese! So the totally not evil tyrants of Japan had to murder them all!
c18240 No.15392567
>>15392556
But they were scheming to stir up trouble. And you have to understand, Japan had just come out of a period of civil war that had lasted for centuries, the last thing anyone wanted was more more.
>So the totally not evil tyrants of Japan had to murder them all!
The shogun was no more evil or tyrannical than any other leader around the world at that time, and was certainly a better alternative to the smattering of warlords fighting each other that had ruled beforehand.
Stop being an autistic manchild and interpreting everything as a slight against your religion of choice. I was merely explaining to anon why Nips aren't the biggest fans of Christianity or organized religion in general. Not my fault you're an uneducated nigger.
b8acae No.15392600
>>15392521
If by "start shit" you mean incite mass conversions by targeting shoguns, than yes guilty as charged. If "start shit" means act like fucking Iago in Othello and try to fuck up everyone's lives for pursuit of power, I think you are a bit off base.
You are right about the cults though, Japan and most of east Asia tends to have a pretty good habit of starting these horrible cults though.
>>15392546
That is true, and while the "unmoving God" problem does present a narrative problem most of the time, its a pretty easy work around. Just do the whole Blues Brothers-esque "We're on a mission from God" and bam no problems. It seems like a plot hole, but if you know anything about more intellectually robust religions (like Orthodox and Roman Catholicism), its a pretty easy explanation to get around.
Which may explain why Japan literally can't do it.
c18240 No.15392610
>>15392600
>by targeting shoguns
There was only one shogun, and they did more than just attempt to convert people. They directly schemed against the shogunate and used their converts as spies. The government didn't just kick them out at random.
>Which may explain why Japan literally can't do it.
They grasp the idea of an all-powerful deity well enough, it just doesn't mesh well with their understanding of the spiritual. In that regard they're actually closer to Greeks and Romans than they are to any other culture.
065605 No.15392631
I'm not sure if it's a positive portrayal, but the Dominions games are filled to the brim with religion and mythology. At the very least it's completely neutral.
363383 No.15392635
Older expansions in World of Warcraft. Be an Alliance paladin or priest.
Elder Scrolls franchise, especially Morrowind, worship of Aedra is the mainsay.
Clive Barker's Jericho has a sassy Catholic priest gunslinger. You go to hellish landscapes and fight demons.
Dante's Inferno is a GoW clone where you play a Christian crusader vs demons.
b8acae No.15392640
>>15392610
>The government didn't just kick them out at random.
That's a funny way to saying "genocide everyone who was Christian".
And my point is that Japan cannot really grasp a "Christian" god beyond the surface level, which is genuinely at the level of reddit, so they aren't narratively competent at integrating a Christian god in their media. Honestly, virtually every culture in the history of the planet other than the Abrahamic ones is polytheist, or believes in a "spirits" as a substitute for gods, so it isn't surprising that most cultures don't understand it.
c48477 No.15392648
Trails in the Sky trilogy
c29b6d No.15392661
>>15391782
no, opium is the opium of the people
209569 No.15392664
>>15392661
Yeah, like in the 1780's maybe.
c18240 No.15392665
>>15392640
>That's a funny way to saying "genocide everyone who was Christian".
They shouldn't have acted like subversive kikes and chimped out when called out on it then.
878b04 No.15392666
>>15391593
No, because RPG's (JRPG's especially) are usually about "making your own destiny" or some other similarly vague meaning, so in the end you kill the omnipotent "God" figure proving that nothing is more powerful than the power of friendship and believing in yourself.
What would a "pro-religion" game even look like?
Johovas Witness simulator?
Dante's inferno, its pretty backhanded but its "pro religion" because you are defeating demons in the circles of hell.
You could RP as a Templar knight in a Souls Game?
>>15391818
>universal fantasy of all peoples throughout history around the globe
>implying all religions are the same
>Implying Islam is anything like Christianity is anything like Shintoism is anything like Hinduism is anything like Buddhism.
The only thing they all have in common is that they are all bullshit.
Maybe try to sort out your pedo problem before you start complaining about representation in video games christcuck.
f2ef88 No.15392669
c29b6d No.15392706
>>15392664
thinking what you think is the opium of the people. hah good thing im not you
209569 No.15392712
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>>15392706
My dick is the opiate of the masses. You should see the trance-like state, the wide-eyed stares I engender when I flash people on omegle.
c6fca4 No.15392713
>>15391607
How can you call something evil without morality? Evil is just a made up term after all
c6fca4 No.15392719
>>15392666
>nothing is more powerful than the power of friendship
So friendship controls your destiny
878b04 No.15392724
>>15392719
Have no friends, have no destiny.
Reinforcing the fact that we are societal creatures and require others to achieve difficult tasks.
07b0fd No.15392734
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>>15391593
Dungeon crawler : stone soup (if you call that a game) has gods that give you boons based on how pios you are and how much you please them. Neverwinter nights 2 + dlc (kinda shitty game, pirate it) is based off DnD so if you don't believe in a god you're retarded and end up in hell/purgatory in the wall of souls which a chaotic evil companion ends up in
You could play might and magic : dark messiah and be a holy warrior, but why would you?
c29b6d No.15392748
ca58a2 No.15392776
>>15392635
>Playing a game that is a bastardization of a bastardization of the bible.
Then again, Dante's Inferno is essentially a checklist of bad fanfiction tropes. Replace Virgil with Naruto anx you've essentially got your average deviant art-tier fanfic.
Fuck virgil. All he ever did was plagerize the Greek classics and romanize them. Then again, what part of Roman culture wasnt essentially stolen from greek culture.
0fab93 No.15392785
>>15391748
thats all the western games do either, and "at most" in japanese games you end up killing god with your bare hands.
2f3699 No.15392786
>>15391593
Fallout: The Followers of the Apocalypse and the New Canaanites are Christian sects portrayed in a positive light.
Dragon Quest: In most of the series, priests in churches save your progress. DQ8 has a corrupt church, but it doesn't really demonize religion.
b8acae No.15392801
>>15392776
technically, we can all blame vergil for writing basically the first state sponsored fanfic with the aeneid, just in case you didn't hate him enough.
73f209 No.15392807
>>15391836
That's how a God battle should be though, considering how most religions posit that we were created for no other reason than to amuse and entertain the Creator.
444754 No.15392810
>>15391593
Fire Emblem 4, wizards are portrayed as bad guys and Churches boost your unit's HP. Final Fantasy Tactics is close. It criticizes clergy but
I'm making a game based on the positive portrayal of religion.
>>15392666
My pastor denounced those sick fucks and everyone applauded. We all view it as an evil thing and are working to remove those people, including Francis.
444754 No.15392814
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>>15391593
OH YEAH, I forgot about Shining Force. It portrayed religion positively.
df548c No.15392823
>>15392810
How are the jehova's whitness sick fucks?
c18240 No.15392824
>>15392810
>including Francis
Oh please, the popes don't give two shits about the pedophiles within their ranks, and actively help them escape secular justice and continue their sick shit. I'm actually wondering if any of the popes was a pedophile himself considering how widespread the problem seems to be within the ranks.
cb7970 No.15392826
Panzer dragoon saga has you taking the role of the holy spirit, influencing the actions of the son and the father on a journey to save the world from being wiped out by a controlling network of ancients. Those who perverted the faith get utterly wiped out too.
31bf61 No.15392829
>>15392814
what is that video player? something new?
d785b2 No.15392831
>>15391593
Lots of RPGs have churches as a place of healing, resurrection, and antidotes through blessings etc. They are mostly older titles though. And because churches are supposed to do good they make for great spooky when they are used for bad like in Silent Hill and real life.
df548c No.15392832
>>15392831
Wasnt the thing in silent hill a witch cult masquerading as christians to avoid detection?
a9d97b No.15392852
Can any of you christfags prove your religion is real instead of posting memes?
2f3699 No.15392856
>>15392832
The cult had their own church hidden in town. Dahlia used the bells in the christian church to signal Harry, but didn't pretend to be a christian herself.
f2ef88 No.15392859
>>15392852
Can you tip your fedora harder?
a7402f No.15392865
>>15391593
Religion IS evil, you faggot!
c6fca4 No.15392882
>>15392852
We have reason to believe the universe had a beginning, what has a beginning has a cause i.e. creation
The Apostles all professed they had seen Christ return from the dead and refused to deny it even as they went to their torturous deaths, it’s unlikely they would go to their deaths for a lie and practically impossible the would all hallucinate the same thing
Over a hundred Early Christians when to their violent and torturous deaths professing that they had seen Christ ascend into heaven, it is highly unlikely they would go to their deaths for something they new was a lie and impossible they all hallucinated the same thing
Not proof but still
884a55 No.15392883
>>15392864
And a fine tip to you too sir.
5fa1ea No.15392895
>>15392852
a person who both doesn't want to believe that something is real and wants to believe that it isn't real won't believe it
this applies to more than religion
a9d97b No.15392897
>>15392882
I appreciate the actual response. I'll look into that.
cf5920 No.15392899
>>15392859
Enjoy being reincarnated forever, christfag. There is no peace. If we're really unlucky, it might even be able to be born back in time. How would you like to be one of Vlad the Impaler's victims?
c18240 No.15392906
>>15392882
The issue you encounter with these accounts is asking yourself when they have been written, by whom, and why. Even a gap of ten years after the fact can distort what has and hasn't been said by a huge margin.
>Over a hundred Early Christians when to their violent and torturous deaths professing that they had seen Christ ascend into heaven
And many more died the same way refusing to give homage to the emperor even as the Roman officials begged them just to do it for the sake of custom and respect. Moral of the story is that Christians weren't particularly smart.
7f5746 No.15392928
>>15392506
If God was undeniably real then there would be no choice whether or not to believe in him which effectively destroys the concept of faith and free will. For the Judeo-Christian God to be effective he needs to be represented through faith and conviction, but even experienced writers don't understand this cause they're usually taught the cynical arguments for and against Christianity.
>>15392546
Because if the gods/protectors intervened and solved every problem then it would downplay free will. In most fiction the god/protector chooses a scion who in turn responds to the call and then fixes the problem.
0fab93 No.15392949
>>15392904
who says you were never a shitskin muslim?
6edaa1 No.15392954
>are there any RPGs that portray religion somewhat positively or at least neutrally?
>everything I've played so far is "LOL RELIGION IS EVIL"
Really?
What about the ton of RPGs where god is real and talks to you personally? With cleric classes and all?
You could play a roguelike, where you can even pray to a god to regularly save your life.
This is like asking for an rpg with orcs in it.
Am I missing something here?
f3d845 No.15392958
>>15392899
Enjoy boiling in the lake of fire forever, gook fetish mysticism fag. If you're really unlucky, you'll be in the harem of of one of the great barons of hell, how would you like to be impaled by Beelzebub's giant spiked cock every night?
>>15392904
Also this
>>15392906
They likely refused because it would be implicitly conceding the divinity of the Emperor and the Roman pantheon despite any rationalizations, thus blaspheming God. Either way it's irrelevant to the high likelihood of the truthfulness of testimony given despite punishment by execution.
>>15392949
Common sense you retarded faggot
c18240 No.15392970
>>15392958
>because it would be implicitly conceding the divinity of the Emperor and the Roman pantheon despite any rationalizations, thus blaspheming God
The Romans were fucking begging them just to say the fucking words so they could stop torturing them.
>to the high likelihood of the truthfulness of testimony given despite punishment by execution
Again, no. You've yet to answer when written records of these supposed testimonies were written and by whom.
0fab93 No.15392976
>>15392958
>common sense
>posts christcuck memery
444754 No.15392981
>>15392824
>>15392823
I meant to say that my church denounced Francis and all of the pedos. Mainly because my pastor believes that they're responsible for making several people lose their faith. He advised us to double down and denounce evil instead of giving up.
209569 No.15392984
>>15392864
>being butthurt enough to draw this comic
209569 No.15392990
>>15392954
Wait. Which RPGs have orcs?
df548c No.15392996
>>15392981
Jesus anon, then you need to write more clearly, because that is a completely different statement.
9a1974 No.15392999
>>15392600
You're arguing against my point out of context, anon explicitly stated
>A. God/ gods as real, but not effectively "real" enough to be undeniable
In order to be undeniable the god must have an active role. If God is only working through surrogates you get IRL religion out the ass.
>Hello, my name is Jesus and I am God's son here to help
>Hello, I am Mohammad and I bring Allah's message
>Hello, I am Moses, god says you must do X, Y and Z
In order for god to be undeniable he must be taking an active constant role, if god is not in an active constant role he can't be undeniable because there is no viable way to discern the Mohammad's, Moses's and Jesus's motives being from God or not because God doesn't interact with people, only through people. You can't have an undeniable proven God and also a passive God who works through other's.
Although the Jap's did answer this as well, with the solution of
>the good god has been imprisoned by the evil Satan surrogate, God needs you to fix shit because God can not do jack shit right now
But then you're running into the issue of someone strong enough to stop a God from doing anything, but not from you. However, this still results in a plot were you must stop an evil god, defeating the second request of anon
>B. God/ gods are very powerful and benevolent.
Because if the God is evil enough to imprison the other god he's probably not benevolent.
>>15392928
>Because if the gods/protectors intervened and solved every problem then it would downplay free will
Did I say he needed to solve every problem? No, I said he should act when threats are on a global scale or at the very least threaten say, a theocratic country that follows his religion. You've also still not provided an example of a god being undeniable yet also passive at the same time for the general populace.
f31d31 No.15393004
I'm about as conservative as it gets, politically. However, religion is so blatantly a mechanism created by men to enslave other men. Why would any reasoning person give one iota of credence to these cretins? Religion is a cancer.
38566e No.15393008
>>15392984
>being assblasted enough to make that strawman
7a2e01 No.15393037
>OP specifically asks to keep the thread about videogames and not about religion infighting
>99% of posts are autistic infighting
Oh well.
Zelda sort of portrays religion as a good thing. Games where you can play as Crusaders are usually at least neutral. Dante's Inferno was about kicking Satan's ass to rescue a babe.
Also NOD were the good guys in C&C
209569 No.15393039
>>15393008
>being assblasted enough about my strawman to make a strawman who makes strawmans because he's assblasted about strawmans
fc9843 No.15393060
>>15393037
Fedorafag salt over God killing Jews because they wouldn't stop sacrificing their children to Moloch or complaining about free bread from Heaven never gets old.
94b593 No.15393064
>>15392666
Someone else already posted this and I responded to them. Can't communicate without someone else's meme responses, eh?
38566e No.15393067
>>15393039
>posting the strawman in the first place
bc6f32 No.15393091
>>15392713
>How can you call something evil without morality? Evil is just a made up term after all
You can't. Which is why Jews don't believe they are evil.
cf5920 No.15393092
>>15392904
This is news to me.
209569 No.15393100
>>15393060
Wait what? God killed Jews for a number of silly reasons including:
-touching the ark
-drinking milk
-being the daughter of a really good and pious general
-celebrating because the ark has just arrived in the their village atop a cow after having been lost for years
You should actually read the bible. It's a pretty entertaining book.
>>15393067
>being a literal srawman
38566e No.15393108
>>15393100
Hey man, someone's gotta keep the crows outta the fields.
94b593 No.15393125
>>15393004
Civilization is obviously a mechanism to enslave other men as well. Words too are but mere mechanisms to change the minds of others. Seems you'd rather be enslaved to your gut than do the work to reach wisdom. See, the problem with the modern man is just this: he thinks himself the equal of every other man while only looking at the surface of a thing and claiming comprehension.
7bad42 No.15393172
>>15393004
>a mechanism created by men to enslave other men
You could argue the same of ideology, or nearly every civilization that isn't complete anarchy. Without some sort of structure or rule set we really aren't much different from animals.
Maturity is understanding why some rules are enslavement while others are there to ensure people don't devolve back to primal instincts. Religion, if we're thinking of it as a tool, is there to help reinforce the rules.
>Why would any reasoning person give one iota of credence to these cretins
Because of the above and also because we cannot say for certain whether there is a god or gods or flying magic space cloud controlling everything or only some things. Who's to say which belief is right or wrong?
sage because I'm getting sick of offtopic threads
0a4a60 No.15393178
What's up with pseudo nihilists always being atheist? Being nihilist also means believing in whatever you want, because there is no reason not to. Because nothing has a reason. I believe they aren't nihilists but just hedonists.
9a1974 No.15393197
>>15393178
Nihilist believes that there is no moral standard or purpose to life, so do what you want. Hedonist alternatively blatantly state that pleasure is the ultimate and only purpose of live and any means to obtain it are acceptable. Nihilism will disagree with literally anything that tries to appeal to a higher standard as it completely contradicts their current position, which they wouldn't be in if they didn't think it to be correct. In this case, the error is made in whoever is defending the "non-existent" moral standards.
94b593 No.15393205
>>15393172
What's funny is that the belief that religion is only a tool of control is itself used as a tool of control.
83dda6 No.15393223
>religion
Well it's nice to see that most of you fags aren't taking the bait, although I suppose it can't be helped that threads like these will inevitably draw in a flock of shit sucking retards who're ready to autistically screech at each other about shit that has nothing to do with video games. Hell, this thread was designed specifically for that purpose, and yet it's somehow tangentially related enough that it doesn't get deleted. Really gets the noggin joggin', I tell ya.
4373cc No.15393230
>>15392786
>The Followers of the Apocalypse
>Christian
Not really. From the very beginning they've been more of a secular humanist organization with an anarchist bent - advocating the free exchange of knowledge and technical skills. And not anarchist in that they advocate the obliteration of governments - but that they just don't really give a fuck about the governments of the areas they operate out of. They're kind of like the opposite of the Brotherhood of Steel. The BoS is a psuedo-religious organization (with no religious iconography) that hordes old-world knowledge and technology without expanding on it. The FotA have the religious iconography, but share technology and knowledge and do not follow any religious (either existing or of their own making) creeds.
fc9843 No.15393244
>>15393100
>touching the ark
Nigger, he touched a box symbolising the presence of God himself despite explicit instructions passed down for generations not to touch the fucking box and the tragedy at Beth-shemesh. What else should he expect? Yes, he was trying to stabilise it during transport but that would have been completely unnecessary if they followed their fucking instructions and used the included staves instead of a cart.
>being the daughter of a really good and pious general
The dumbfuck swore to sacrifice the first creature to run to him when he returned home if he won a battle, and of course it was his fucking daughter. She went along with it of her own will and wasn't even struck down instantly, but given a lengthy period to morn first. Dunno why you included that in this list at all.
>celebrating because the ark has just arrived in the their village atop a cow after having been lost for years
Nah, Beth-shemesh's celebrations were fine and went unpunished. 70 faggots (some translations report 5070 but this is likely a translation error from a number reporting both 50k Philistine deaths and the 70 at Beth-shemesh) thought it was a fucking brilliant idea to not only touch the box but also to look inside it, so they died.
I don't recognise the "drinking milk" example, but your other examples are all Jews acting incredibly retarded and killing themselves or family in the process. Thanks for proving my point.
7f5746 No.15393287
>>15393244
>"lol actually read the bible"
>demonstrates his lack of having read it
>>15392999
>Did I say he needed to solve every problem? No, I said he should act when threats are on a global scale or at the very least threaten say, a theocratic country that follows his religion.
That too would diminish the free will of humans. They must solve their own problems.
>You've also still not provided an example of a god being undeniable yet also passive at the same time for the general populace.
Because I wasn't trying to. A god being undeniable would diminish the idea of free will and faith. You cannot be faithful of something that is factual and tangible. Fantasy gods almost always fail int his aspect.
fc9843 No.15393311
>>15393287
>You cannot be faithful of something that is factual and tangible
3DPD detected
a61fbe No.15393334
>>15392040
> Not knowing the true elite trip balls to contact extradimensional entities
659fd5 No.15393354
>>15391593
Keep an eye out for one coming out in the next couple of years.
917c04 No.15393373
>religion
>2018
at least choose buddhism
bc809c No.15393426
Neptunia series portrays multiple goddesses as necessary to the function of their lands and morale of the people. They're also beautiful, likable, extremely powerful and benevolent. Their enemies are materialistic, sadistic, ugly, challenge authority and tradition, corrupt minds with new tech and constantly blaspheme. One of the biggest villains starts off as a protester saying the goddesses are not needed and humanity can govern its self.
It's also full of /v/ memes and vidya meta, 4th wall breaking insanity… and lewd. I think you'll like it OP.
209569 No.15393439
209569 No.15393441
>>15393244
Also, I was talking about Uzzah for that first one.
2f08ac No.15393452
>>15391593
Take the MegaTen red pill. Basically:
Japanese deities = Good
Most other deities = Bad, especially (((YHVH)))
fc9843 No.15393469
>>15393439
>>15393441
No wonder I didn't recognise it. Again, you're ignoring context to paint the Bible as quirky.
>Also, I was talking about Uzzah for that first one.
So was I
d0b870 No.15393556
>>15392958
>They likely refused because it would be implicitly conceding the divinity of the Emperor and the Roman pantheon despite any rationalizations, thus blaspheming God.
Only under the Ten Commandments which are kike rules from the Torah. No self respecting Christian would go by jewish religion.
00d543 No.15393557
Inquisitor and Warhammer?
843c66 No.15393850
>>15393426
If it weren't for the fact that Neptunia is filled with banal conversation 70% of the time then that would be a good recommendation. Unless OP likes CGDCT and can tolerate a large amount of meaningless faffing in the games, I wouldn't mention the series.
t. anon who has spent 140 hours on Neptunia games, Re:Birth 1-3
b5a6ff No.15393978
>>15391593
>praise the sun
Sunbros only exist to gank invaders and become grossly incandescent. Worship the Sun above all else. Only casul invaders get buthurt about being outnumbered forcing them to git gud or play offline. Sunlight spears always get nerfed proving covenant members only join to help others instead of themselves.
Solaire always has your back after you save him from the Sunlight maggot reafirming your bond as Crusaders on a Holy mission from the Sun, only to bask in the silence of Glory!
cdbc26 No.15394012
I know it never ended up being an RPG, but this threads a good opportunity to show how well Thief 1 did the Hammerites.
>Start of game, they're shown as being fanatics doing medieval-tier torture on people who break their laws
>You read a note about how they will arrest people who didn't even break any laws for being degenerates
>Game takes place at a time where the Hammerites are losing favor with public opinion and their numbers are dwindling
<Just a bunch of old guys wishing for the good ol' days
>Even the Hammerites are always discussing how they're losing numbers, and showing doubt in their religion
<Who will replace the high priest? He's getting old
<It is not of concern. The Builder (god) has a plan
<True.. true…
>Dig through ruins of an old war they fought in. They had doubters in the past who where weeded out, while everyone who held true prevailed
>Eventually meet a friendly Hammerite who shows you their traditions and such
>See all the demons they are holding back from destroying society
>It's like a repeat of what happened in the past
>They where right all along
3659f9 No.15394014
>>15392954
What kind of orcs are we talking about here?
77e57c No.15394063
Oddly enough, Breath of the Wild has a lot of elements that touch upon religion. Link prays to statues that obviously have someone answering him, there's the shrines themselves and the divine beasts, and Zelda herself has blood of a goddess, so at some point they either existed or still do exist.
There's also a bug spirit dragon that pops up and the great fairies could be considered a religious aspect too?
But I get what you're saying. Religion, done in a way that shows is pervasive in the game world, isn't done very well, especially by Western games. I kind of want something that would allow your character to be God-fearing, someone who goes to church etc, and I'd want it to have an effect. Kind of a shame that the only games thst do that are nip ones with their shrines and things.
ba1746 No.15394068
>>15393850
I prefer that it doesn't take itself too seriously. Otherwise I might object to playing a game where pirating devices are depicted as ugly-as-sin hags or perverse mechs.
855dd6 No.15394127
>>15392852
If God's so great why isn't he a cute girl?
dd4a9c No.15394192
The legend of heroes games portrays religion as a mostly beneficial thing, where the church is in charge of many things like schools/hospitals/Orphanages and in general is a good organization. In addition many of the villains are fedora tippers, homos are looked down upon and its pretty well written too. I recommend it.
f450b2 No.15394200
Path of Exile has a nice twist around religion. It's a Diablo-like however.
993bfe No.15394204
Games from Nihon Falcom portray religions in a normal way. Rarely they do the usual "they were bad all along!" shit. There's always a thread in /v/ in case you want to know more about them.
909734 No.15394212
>>15391761
>Japanese
>soulless bugmen
Mmmmmmm…..i don't think that's entirely correct.
098c21 No.15394224
>>15392984
This comic has been around forever, retard.
aca772 No.15394230
>>15391612
At least until they reveal that the grandmaster of Ouroboros is Aidios.
aca772 No.15394247
f28971 No.15394248
>>15392882
>We have reason to believe the universe had a beginning, what has a beginning has a cause i.e. creation
The idea of the Unmoved Mover dates back some three and a half centuries before Christianity.
>The Apostles all professed they had seen Christ return from the dead and refused to deny it even as they went to their torturous deaths, it’s unlikely they would go to their deaths for a lie and practically impossible the would all hallucinate the same thing
>Over a hundred Early Christians when to their violent and torturous deaths professing that they had seen Christ ascend into heaven, it is highly unlikely they would go to their deaths for something they new was a lie and impossible they all hallucinated the same thing
I guess reincarnation is equally likely by your metrics given how many Buddhists have self-immolated over the years - and their faith doesn't even glorify martyrdom the way Christianity does.
0d21b4 No.15394251
>>15392882
There's no actual hard evidence that they did though. You just have accounts that were written years after they died, and these often conflict anyways.
ba1746 No.15394349
>>15394127
Because yours is a shitty god. Also shut up bible thumpers and fedoras. Vidya board.
855dd6 No.15396696
>>15394349
if Atheism is so great, then why does it reject loli-babas?
e6934c No.15397936
unironically Darklands and Inquisitor
basically both games where you pray to God for magic powers and kill faggot demons
3db830 No.15398049
>>15396696
Atheism isn't great though. Nothing is great. Everything is shit and then you die.
209569 No.15398118
>>15394224
Therefore, no person ever drew it?
>>15393469
I was embellishing because I thought I could convince someone to read it. Without context, quirky things become enticing.
855dd6 No.15398207
>>15398049
but you go to hell before you die
3db830 No.15398235
>>15398207
Then I must be about to die.
bcc50c No.15398259
>>15392713
Good and Evil as a concept come from Darwinian evolution as tactics that result in surviving and not surviving specifically.
Good exists because it's the right path, tested by millions of years, to thrive as a human being. Evil exists because it's what good people gang up against to squash out because it doesn't ensure survival.
Randomly killing people is evil because it specifically does not benefit the human race in regards to survival. So people would out the killer and kill the shit out of him, which is also good.
It might seem to you like morality is random and variable, but the ones the died out were "evil", in that they did not survive. So if you want to survive and even thrive, it's best to be your society's version of good. Because bad people just aren't good at surviving. They tend to kill eachother. There's a reason why mafias and the yakuza have codes about not fucking with civilians. Because they'd die if they kept fucking with them.
Good and Evil are relative things. But fucking someone over and/or killing people has a shitload of risks. So if you don't fear those fatal risks, then all you're doing is the process of evolution. You'll be out of the gene pool, and you're doing us a favor by leaving no offspring, and your kid will of course follow your example and die off himself without offspring if you did leave us a present.
209569 No.15398283
>>15398259
>morality is relative
>you're "good" as long as you follow the status quo and ruffle no feathers
Spotted the communist.
bcc50c No.15398292
>>15398283
I'm not telling you to ruffle no feather, I'm advising you that ruffling more then ten of them is just enough to get your ass killed. There's ruffling feathers and then there's chopping the head off the chicken, and if you seriously don't understand the difference then i'll be glad to see you go.
06540a No.15398325
>>15398259
Why should we follow such instincts?
4d1619 No.15398330
70be05 No.15398344
>>15393004
Christianity means being free from consumerism, vice, and every other harmful ideology. It's never restricted me, it only filters the garbage that has hindered me. You don't need porn or lootboxes to live. If anything, they waste your time and force into a cycle of performing the same actions all over again.
0239b1 No.15398373
>>15391593
Japan has a strained history with western religion. The catholic church more or less extended and aggravated the wars between daimyos during the 1500-1600s by bribing some clans to adopt christianity in exchange for western weapons. After the war, christians were executed because they were seen as traitors who would sell out their country for outside interests.
That wouldn't be the last time japan had problems with christian groups, but it is the nature of church politics that caused japan to possess an immediate distrust for christianity in general. They also study european history in-depth and the history of the church's activities and interference with other countries throughout the medieval times, and that just reinforces their distrust of christianity. Aside from that, and to put in the most simplest of terms, the evil church trope never gets old because it's a primary variation of the faux-moral institution. I can't see games like Final Fantasy Tactics being as good without that being a major part of the story.
bcc50c No.15398386
>>15398325
Why don't you find out? Or you know, see what happened to people who went against good. Good is just the stronger force, because it already killed off what's considered evil.
This is very soft territory in regards to facts, but if literally nothing can convince you, then you'll be gone anyway. Unless you're being a half-assed rebeller who just talks shit, in either case you prove my point for me.
There's a case to be made that the human condition is flawed and could stand improvement, but look around you for your own answers. Just because the people around you can't completely articulate something in the way you want, or even completely understand why good and evil exist as concepts in the first place it doesn't mean they're wrong.
And if you're going to rebel against something for the sake of it instead of rebelling against it because it's genuinely an issue, then you're just one of many reactionary idiots that end up as evolutionary dead ends.
Railing against the concepts of good and evil and saying they don't exist reeks of postmodernism. It's dumb. Just because some aspects are subjective does not demerit the reasons why they exist in the first place.
88f93c No.15398387
You could install TempleOS in memoriam of Terry Davis implying he's really dead and this isn't a glow in the dark psyop
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75892f No.15398392
I'd recommend Kingdom Come Deliverance, but it's too pro-Christian for my tastes. Which is what I hate the most about "leftwing" and "rightwing" western games: The feeling of total disenfranchisement. Leftwing open world rpgs like Skyrim and Fallout have kike-made degeneracy like gay marriage and multiculturalism. Rightwing open world rpgs like Kingdom Come lack the degeneracy, but then expects you to be a good goy supporter of Christianity. An (((Abrahamic))) religion where its Bible's Old Testament is a trojan horse for Judaism.
You're jewed if you choose left. You're jewed if you choose right. This is why I hardly bother with western games anymore. The sheer kikery of it all.
On the Japanese side of things, check out Okami and Persona 4 if you're interested in games with Shintoism.
3012c6 No.15398397
>>15398392
How dare a game set in a time when Europe was extremely christian not allow you to call people out when they say god bless you.
3641d1 No.15398399
>>15391636
<SoTN
Only the English localization makes any reference to religion by Dracula or Richter.
The JP version talks about how humanity is able to love through their shared values which is very different, and they have the scene where Alucard's mother is lynched but tells him to forgive (that's the closest thing to portraying christianity values as positive the game has), maybe the bipolar bishop ghost counts too?
The other Castlevania games (3, ecclesia at the very least) tended to portray the catholic church as a corrupt organization but the individual religious protagonists as heroes, in part because of their devotion to their faith.
BTW OP I might have some more examples.
<Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
It was mostly censored out of the english versions, but the priest that meets you in the dark world says that one (of many) reason why its inhabitants have lost morality and hope and became decadent was that they abandoned religion, something he laments since that's his job.
<Zelda Breath of the Wild
Zelda/Hylia is a goddess of light revered in many forms - the temple of time medieval european style religious places, and shinto-themed shrines and monks around the globe. Spirit Tracks has a concept similar to sacred energy veins across the globe (the railroads)
<Civilization and the like
Neutral.
<Konami's Noah Ark NES
Platformer. Boss battles are giant insects.
3253ae No.15398401
>>15391593
>are there any RPGs that portray religion somewhat positively or at least neutrally? everything I've played so far is "LOL RELIGION IS EVIL"
You won't believe me unless you play literally almost to the end.
169212 No.15398408
>>15398401
>literally almost
die
793632 No.15398413
>>15398259
I get what you're talking about, you think that good is defined by a good path (survival) and that evil is defined by a bad path (death and disease). Christianity has that theme.
However, the issue is that your criteria can be twisted. What if it can be argued that speech is detrimental to survival? What if it can be argued that productivity is detrimental to survival?
084095 No.15398427
>>15391593
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 has at least a different take on religion and god from what I've played most of the time.
6458ed No.15398462
>>15398408
Well it's true. You don't meet the waveform existence until more than 90% through the game.
Before then, you have manipulative religions, passive religions, secret societies living in the sky, and a bunch of other crap that all amounts to a bunch of fucks in a room manipulating the beliefs of the masses for their own ends, followed by a nanotech monstrosity with its own god complex trying to singularity the world. Then the waveform existence appears and wants you to save the world from that shit
3012c6 No.15398466
>>15398399
In Civ religion get outdated as you dicover the scientiic method and similar shit.
bcc50c No.15398482
>>15398413
Of course it's flawed, but if it can be argued that productivity is detrimental to survival, then the course of history will determine if it is or not. Because it doesn't matter if it's ARGUED, only the results of that determine what is good or not.
If for example you argued that productivity is detrimental and evil, and then shit stops working and people die, people rebel, shut YOU the fuck up, and kill you for spreading this lie that you've used to harm people. And then you don't exist because you're dead and therefore have not survived.
However if your ideal around productivity was actually RIGHT and FACTUAL, and human beings are better without it, no suffering is caused which means no one will kill you for it, then you in some way become the good.
Point is, at some point if productivity is no longer an issue and working actually becomes detrimental to society, that will be in a future with very different conditions that do not exist at current.
What is good and what is evil changes. No shit. Right now your argument obviously does not hold up, and similar arguments made by leftists that try to deconstruct a facet of existance for whatever reason, be it their own gain or whatnot is meeting resistance, just as an actual non-cancerous good idea would. And what survives that resistance years in the future will always be considered good.
And I mean shit like "don't kill people", for example, shit that benefits EVERYONE by being in place.
Essentially, your argument is meaningless because it is a hypothetical. I'd rather you attack my idea from an angle that doesn't come from a fantastical realm of make believe, cold hard facts are the only way to attack morality as it is.
Because when you get down to it, morality is decided by known society, and the conflicts in morality we have today with other countries are because we have all suddenly discovered and connected with eachother fully for the first time thanks to the internet, and so moralities will clash until the single idea formed from that war of minds finally settles into something everyone can agree with.
Which is a rocky process because goddamn, we were MADE for conflict.
3012c6 No.15398505
>>15398259
You utter faggot, you have no reasoning as to why one shouldn't kill millions besides
>"humanity evolved not to like it"
Randomly killing people is evil, but a violent mass murdered that cleaned up 2/3rds of asia is parent to 0.5% of the world's population because he also raped so much.
And then he died of old age or some random disease.
>Randomly killing people is evil because it specifically does not benefit the human race in regards to survival. So people would out the killer and kill the shit out of him, which is also good.
Even fucking chimps randomly kill people and genocide different tribes. Who was there to tell motumbo, the headpack that if he wants to survive, he shouldn't fuck a lot but actually follow the ten comandments, atheist edition?
3012c6 No.15398507
>>15398482
>And I mean shit like "don't kill people", for example, shit that benefits EVERYONE by being in place.
It doesn't, you're a queer.
b8acae No.15398510
>>15392999
This is what I am talking about, a true faith based religion that is literally only provably "true" based on faith at least for a large portion of the game. As you stated, being like "I'm on a mission from God" is kind of dumb in universe, but it can be much more interesting if there is no evidence that said God is even existing at least until the very end.
Typical Roman Catholicism divides the problem of "Bad things happening to good people into A. Evil derived from free will (which accounts for most of what we would call "evil) and B. Things that happen beyond our scope of understanding.
The second one is the hardest sell, since no one wants to say "God allowed this missionary family to be killed by this hurricane, but the nigger thugs to live and loot through it".
I actually have been coming up with a sci-fi story that basically assumes traditional christianity is 100% true without hitting you over the head with it, and still making sense of how an omnipotent God could allow the massive evil that is present in the story to exist. Its complicated, but as far as I know its pretty unique.
3012c6 No.15398511
>>15398386
In this post you put a dog faced chinese wise man picture, this is how people know you're very cultured and wise.
5b84fb No.15398521
>>15391761
>The Japanese ironically play more with Christian themes and iconography, but you can't expect them to get it right being that Christianity is so far removed from their experience - and you can't really expect soul-less bugmen to fully appreciate or express spiritual matters.
The Japanese do much, much better than you would expect. This is partially because they have more respect for western culture than contemporary western authors and artists, and partially because of divine inspiration to compensate for the West's turn against Christ.
>>15394248
>The idea of the Unmoved Mover dates back some three and a half centuries before Christianity.
Yes, and? People worshipped God before He sent Christ to us, all Christians know this. He most famously revealed Himself to ancient Israel, but that doesn't mean no one else knew of Him.
>I guess reincarnation is equally likely by your metrics given how many Buddhists have self-immolated over the years - and their faith doesn't even glorify martyrdom the way Christianity does.
Buddhism is about 90% true. It tries to solve the same problem Christianity does, and gets as far as merely human effort can get–which is ultimately insufficient, but good enough to be compelling.
bcc50c No.15398534
>>15398505
>>15398507
>>15398511
Go out and kill then, edgelords. Wonder why you're just talking. If you're bitching about morality, you have a persecution complex because you just don't want to confront people because you've done some shit to them and they don't like you now.
Let's get to the REAL reasons why you're arguing against morality. You were either wronged and blame the world and can't get the fuck back up and try again, like a nigger, or you've wronged others and want to ditch morality because no EVERONE YOU KNOW is against you, you feel alienated, and want to strike back at society because you can't own up to the fact that you got owned, and are stubborn and refuse to play the game.
In both cases, you've retreated from society, bitter that you have been singled out and never wanting to deal with people again.
There are people out there that are fucking shallow. Tough shit.
There are people out there that you can't win over. Tough shit.
There are people out there that know exactly the shit you're doing that you don't want to acknowledge as your fault, when it is. Tough fucking shit.
Either participate in society or shy away from it like a bitch, either way playing the sour grapes card is immature. You are the only thing you can control, it's up to YOU to make the effort. None of you are willing to do that, so you reject the whole of society, it's history and fall into the mistakes of the dead with no self awareness or want to self improve to confront life's obstacles. That's just fucking neckbeard sedentary bullshit.
3012c6 No.15398553
>>15398534
I'm not arguing against morality, I'm calling you a faggot.
Because you are, you're a pretentious and dumb faggot.
Explain why ghenghis khan is a thing, come on. He did all the shit he shouldn't do and he got the genetic high score.
9a1974 No.15398582
>>15398553
>Explain why ghenghis khan is a thing, come on. He did all the shit he shouldn't do and he got the genetic high score.
The human genetic high score is Mitochondrial Eve you damn commie.
06540a No.15398591
>>15398386
Why should the species be preserved though?
bcc50c No.15398595
>>15398553
Genghis Khan run a country by uniting tribes, secured land, and killed off civvies because they'd betray him under his rule. That ain't a high score, that's foresight, which is why he was successful. He did EXACTLY the thing he needed to do to secure a country, a competing power and land.
He wasn't a Pol Pot, he founded an empire. On top of that seeing him as a high score contender instead of a leader of people, with no context as to WHY he did what he did, he did so within his morality.
>>15398591
Why shouldn't it? If you believe the species shouldn't be preserved, then kill yourself. We couldn't live without you, it'd be a catastrophic loss. Seriously. I'm being genuine. Kill yourself, faggot.
098c21 No.15398596
>>15398534
man you sure do write long posts and get heated by such a tiny issue tbh
3012c6 No.15398603
>>15398595
So mass rape,total pillaging, literal fucking genocide is ok as long as you, uh, let me check
>unite tribes, secure land, and kill off civvies
75892f No.15398606
>>15398596
Can you give me a TL;DR version of what his walls of text are going on about?
3012c6 No.15398614
>>15398606
Rape and killing are bad because evolution.
b3f52e No.15398622
>>15398510
God allows evil because without adversity we can never improve, we become weak.. static. You can not improve unless you have challenges to overcome.
Without good, there would be no evil. But there would be no good, either. Without light, there is no darkness… But also, no light.
This is basic shit that people get hung up on because they take the bible literally.
9a1974 No.15398623
>>15398603
Yes, you say those things like they're shocking but the idea of universal human rights is laughable and unenforceable without one single government controlling ever single human. So he did rape other people and kill other people because, it was incredibly beneficial and successful for the Mongolian people overall. Compare Pol Pot who killed a shit ton of people and had his country in shambles and completely collapse.
Anon is arguing success determines morality, it's incredibly simple. Certain strategies are successful, hell, if we're talking about killing civilians in the name of "securing peace" the good old U, S of A did that to our dear friend Japan. Remember, it isn't a war crime if you win the war.
9a1974 No.15398625
>>15398622
So God does take responsibility for all bad and good things or God does not take responsibility for anything as it's all man's doing. It has to be one or the other. Most Christians contend bad things happen because God let's people be bad but all good things that happen are because of God and not good people doing good things.
0ec258 No.15398630
>>15398623
Well evidently it's not a war crime if you lose either so long as you're Japan.
b3f52e No.15398640
>>15398625
God is the creator of everything… But He gave will to everyone. I'd never call it "free will" since our brains are so intrinsically linked to our bodies and when you lack control over your environs and any ability to change the situation your willpower may decrease dramatically.
God is not responsible for any good or evil in my eyes. What is the point in rewarding people for being good if it was God's will? Or punishing them, if they may've been destined to commit evil?
098c21 No.15398641
>>15398614
That's quite dumb. I'd say the Vikings, Muslims, and Mongols did well for themselves.
9a1974 No.15398653
>>15398630
You really don't know anything at all do you? Shit tons of Japs were charged with War Crimes after WWII. In addition their entire military was put on a leash because of it, seriously, go read the Wikipedia article at least you faggot. The Japs deny the comfort women in Korea (because the actual charges for that came from Southeast Asia) and the Rape of Nanjing (up to you to decide how truthful chinks are after getting anally devastated by japs) but not the rest.
>>15398640
What's your stance on how omnipotence and free will completely contradict each other?
3012c6 No.15398657
>>15398653
they low key admitted nanjing lately
fc9843 No.15398661
>>15398641
The vikings sucked at anything that wasn't ambushes and raiding civilians, and kebabs have similar issues. The fucking natives managed to drive them from Canada.
098c21 No.15398664
>>15398661
Vikings were a lone settlement on a continent 3000 miles away from their homelands. It was stacked against them.
9a1974 No.15398666
>>15398641
Mudslimes were never as effective at conquest as their Babylonian forerunners. The religion spread wide but that's a separate matter entirely from conquest.
fc9843 No.15398677
>>15398664
Interestingly, geneticists have found traces of canadian native in Scandinavians. Seems they brought back a couple wives or halfbreed children with them.
098c21 No.15398683
>>15398677
Some natives have ancient Celtic blood in them too. Came from when there was an entire ice bridge in the Atlantic.
b3f52e No.15398709
>>15398653
I have none, since I personally do not believe that God is omnipotent. If He were omnipotent, then we are already judged and have no means of redeeming ourselves if we realize we are damned due to our actions. Whatever happens, was already going to happen.
I believe God exists outside of the universe, outside of any conception of a "Plane of Existence", universe, dimension, whatever. They can see everything happening as it happens, every last thing.. but they are not omnipotent with regards to the future.
2d4bd2 No.15398713
>>15391593
Most JRPGs do.
>>15391607
Not every religion, just the big ones.
>>15391636
The church murdered Draculas wife(Alucards mother). They're the sole reason he's coming back all the time.
2d4bd2 No.15398729
>>15391782
>that dyspeptic little joint-keeper
Sounds like butthurt to me.
>comparing the way how religion have control over peoples lives to listening to music
This is why no one outside of the US takes American literature seriously.
042b2e No.15398732
>>15398640
>God is not responsible for any good or evil in my eyes. What is the point in rewarding people for being good if it was God's will? Or punishing them, if they may've been destined to commit evil?
What's the point in all-knowing omnipotence if you don't already know how your creations will react to any given tests you're going to subject them? Either you're all knowing, omnipotent, omniscient, and the like, and you already know everything there is to know, which would render your tests moot because you'd already know their outcome, or you're not all knowing because you cannot foresee how such phenomena will behave.
b3f52e No.15398735
9a1974 No.15398738
>>15398732
He's arguing that god is indeed not omnipotent and is just letting the guys inside the world he created run rampant to observe the results.
Oh look, is that you my good old friend the Simulation hypothesis
377349 No.15398741
"I have been baptized twice, once in water, once in flame. I will carry the fire of the holy spirit inside until I stand before my Lord for judgement."
Best character in New Vegas.
042b2e No.15398755
>>15398735
>>15398738
So, is that to say that you don't strictly believe in the Christian god? God in Christianity is said to be all of those things (and more), correct?
9a1974 No.15398765
>>15398755
I'm not a Christian feel free to argue that with the other fag.
2f582b No.15398774
>>15398741
Being voiced by Apollo Diomedes was a good choice.
7f5746 No.15398785
>>15393311
Anime-loving In/volcels were the true Christians all along.
>>15398259
The sociopathy needed to lead groups, sneaky beta reproduction, unfaithful and opportunistic behavior among women women to enable betas, females being less likely to adopt universal ethics, suspension of those ethics in males and females alike and the cognitive dissonance needed to live with unethical decisions are also results of Darwinian evolution and more often result in evil.
>>15398713
The townspeople and the government did. The church offered refuge to the witches in the Castlevania lore. The game never mentions that the church did it specifically. but it could have been local ones tricked by Carmilla and the Dark Ones. The game does show that demons can disguise themselves as humans or even priests.
>>15398729
Russian literature is best literature since it was the only way to openly talk about politics. American literature is full of idealism and vanity.
7f5746 No.15398793
>>15398713
>>15398785
Forgot to add. At the end of SotN Dracula realized his mistake so it's not as if it's a major motivator and he might not even have the human bits that care anymore. The reason he comes back is due to the chaos in the heart of humans as well as the humans who worship him and go out of their way to revive him. In Aria Soma beats that chaos preventing himself from becoming Dracula.
b3f52e No.15398810
>>15398755
I don't really know what I believe.
In my early teen years, I was a militant atheist. I grew out of it, became apathetic. But I've learned that there are great truths in holy books like the Holy Bible.
I am no longer an atheist, but I can't bring myself to convert to any religion either.
2d4bd2 No.15398851
>>15398785
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa
>"Alucard's mother. Count Dracula's wife who he loved dearly, a woman like the Virgin Mary. She created medicines for those people who suffered from the epidemic but she was executed due to the witch trials."
>— Akumajō Dracula X: Gekka no Yasoukyoku booklet description
>The reason Dracula fell in love with her was because she was the spitting image of his previous wife, Elisabetha, who passed away during the time of the Crusades.
No one but the church had so called witch trials, because they saw them as competition that's why witches were also called devil worshippers.
>>15398793
The church is the only reason why Dracula is a threat to humanity since they've killed both of his wives.
7f5746 No.15398887
>>15398851
>No one but the church had so called witch trials, because they saw them as competition that's why witches were also called devil worshippers.
No source for this and you're kind of reaching. More likely to be the people and local governments whipped into a frenzy due to Carmilla and er gang.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Sypha_Belnades
>When she was very young, children of the night, including the vampire Carmilla, darkened the hearts of men and helped spark the great witch trials which resulted in the death of many of Sypha's sister witches.[2] Both of her parents were killed in the process.[3]
Sypha escaped and was found wandering near a monastery in Wallachia and was granted protection by the church. Sypha would remain at that monastery for some time and would train as a monk. She eventually mastered the elements of fire, ice, and lightning by making a deal with spirits.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Dracula
>1576-1591: The Legend of Dracula
>A century later, Dracula rose again. It was at this time that Dracula's one hundred year regeneration cycle became manifest. Due to the power of Christ weakening every one hundred years, men's hearts grew black with chaos
3641d1 No.15398949
>>15398887
>No source for this and you're kind of reaching.
You know Alucard's mother was on the pyre onscreen in SOTN, do you
7f5746 No.15398953
>>15398949
Yes and that has to do with the church how?
2d4bd2 No.15398965
>>15398887
>No source for this and you're kind of reaching
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft#Europe
>Witchcraft in Europe between 500–1750 was believed to be a combination of sorcery and heresy. While sorcery attempts to produce negative supernatural effects through formulas and rituals, heresy is the Christian contribution to witchcraft in which an individual makes a pact with the Devil.
7f5746 No.15398967
>>15398965
>Castlevania universe
>same as ours
>despite the church outright employing witches
9a1974 No.15398977
>>15398965
>citing IRL witch trials for the one's that took place in Castlevaniaverse
Anon, you, you don't actually think vampires are real do you?
b80ca3 No.15398981
>>15398953
Absolutely nothing, guess we know which faggot in this thread would be burned for witchcraft if the world was sensible
2d4bd2 No.15399044
>>15398967
>moving the goalpost
It's based on christianity otherwise there weren't crosses, priest, etc.
>despite the church outright employing witches
The real church is employing little boy molesters even though homosexuality clearly against the bible.
>>15398977
Dracula actually existed and so does his castle, but he wasn't a vampire nor anyone else ever for that matter.
06540a No.15399063
>>15399044
>The Catholic church is employing little boy molesters
ftfy
9a1974 No.15399064
>>15399044
>>moving the goalpost
Anon has repeatedly stated from the beginning that the church did not conduct the witch trials as far as any sources he can find, in response you posted a link to IRL witch trials. Which while certainly true that the church is based on a Christian faith. It's also true that Dracula, while based on a real person, was not an actual vampire either, nor should an irl account of Vlad III be taken as an example of what happened in Castlevania.
2d4bd2 No.15399085
>>15399064
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/The_Church
>in 1475, The Bishop of Targoviste discovered the technology given to Lisa Tepes by her husband, Dracula. Considering it witchcraft, the Bishop ordered Lisa's home to be destroyed and for her to be burned at the stake. Dracula realized what was going on minutes too late and confronted the crowd that saw his wife burned in a rage.
Here.
e11f5e No.15399143
>>15398664
They shouldnt have gone full retard and fuck with the natives while being isolated then.
b3c5f1 No.15399279
>>15391804
came here to say this. apparently some U.S. versions were edited to take the religion out for some fucking reason. Imagine how good a crusader or catholic vs protestant storyline could be.
489ba2 No.15399281
>>15391593
Morrowind, and the rest of the TES setting disregarding Oblivion and Skyrim, is probably the most nuanced depiction of an explicitly spiritual world there is.
Moving away from "RPGs" per se and more into immersive sims, all of the games of Ice-Pick Lodge all have very strong philosophical/spiritual themes and concepts driving them.
Metro 2033 (not its sequel) also gets an honorary mention from me - the original book was about a world that has completely lost all sense of ontology (i.e. all sense of the way reality is supposed to work), and while the game doesn't quite have the sort of portrayal of that concept that the book had, it does have Khan. As stated in a certain analysis of the game ( https://spacebiff.com/2012/09/06/metro-2033-the-index/ ), "is Khan right in [his] beliefs? Probably not, but still… Khan’s theology may or may not be correct, but it’s working for him. And frankly, that’s refreshing."
b3c5f1 No.15399284
>>15391994
>atheists are far happier than religious
Source?
a7dea6 No.15399290
>imageboard degenerates roleplaying as devout Christians
2d4bd2 No.15399316
>>15399279
>came here to say this. apparently some U.S. versions were edited to take the religion out for some fucking reason
Probably, because of Nintendo. They did the same with LoZ in the west.
4ebe0e No.15399356
Enderal (a total conversion for Toddrim) has this in an interesting way: On the one hand, the island you run around on is under the totalitarian, theocratic rule of "The Order", with a very strict caste system. Religion in the game in general is seen as a tool of oppression.
But also order.
With you having having killed a god and basically introducing atheism to the masses in the predecessors game Nehrim, chaos and anarchy spread. The dead walk, animals turn mad, and the people whom you previously led into atheism turn into violent militants, actively seeking out and killing any believers that do not denounce their gods. To make matters worse, the death of the gods has also allowed some rather shady entities to worm their way into the minds of the people, producing an affliction called the "Red Madness" that turns them into homicidally insane madmen.
The endboss of the first game had a rather remarkable quote to sum it all up:
>You must not only ask yourself whether our rule was just. Perhaps it was not. But it was necessary, for it was steady.
75892f No.15399363
>>15399284
>able to eat lobster, unlike the jews
>able to eat bacon, unlike the muslims
>able to eat beef, unlike the hindus
>foreskin isnt castrated at birth
>money given to the church doesnt get sent to african kids
>gas money isnt wasted driving to church
>free to do whatever i want, like buying more food
a42d3f No.15399378
>>15399316
The "no religion" policy was in reaction to the "satanic panic" over music and D&D during the same era. It removed content from the game itself, but I remember many manuals with art that featured religious iconography (Link's cross shield, for example, was never edited, at least in the PAL version).
Although to be fair, this "no religion" thing did lead to a retcon of Link's original shield to look like pic related, which keeps the cross motif but makes it out of triangles and gems to give it a more "Zelda" feel. They also updated the magical sword with the flamberge style cutting edges as seen on the Zelda 2 box-art (and in Soul Calibur 2) to match as well.
HW has some seriously great designs, including the sexiest Zelda and the meanest looking 'dorf.
03887d No.15399394
>>15398657
>people that had nothing to do with it admitted it
Yeah I can admit to the holocaust too, doesn't mean it's real.
3012c6 No.15399525
>>15399363
People without leg are happier than normal people.
Proof:
>don't have to waste money on shoes
>don't have to waste money on socks
>don't have to waste money on pants
>don't have to waste time clipping toenails
>free to do whatever they want, like learning to walk on their hands
So why haven't you cut yourself anon?
3012c6 No.15399529
>>15399085
that's not a witch trial
885076 No.15399608
>>15391699 (nice)
It's funny how the Tribunal and it's teaching looks good and meaningful if you join to the Temple. They took many good things from the ancestor worshipping and technically leave the good daedra worshipping alive by only banning the bad daedra cults.
The Imperial Cult is technically the ancient Rome polytheism without the weird shits. If the old writers of bethesda did something right than that is the way how they inserted the medieval knighthood into it.
It's kinda sad how Skyrim dumbed down into hell the religious aspect of the series. Like how they forgot about that Talos Cult was banned back then and literally noone gave a shit about it.
f87643 No.15399616
>>15391810
this in smt 4 they even resurrected their natinal deities while they killed the archangels
f87643 No.15399618
f0a706 No.15399665
you worship a dead carpenter jew
7951cf No.15399713
dec970 No.15399738
>>15391593
religions are full of asholes, and i'm talking about everyone involved, the mithycal deitys, the priests, and preachers, and the organizations of worships like churches and the like, they're all full of shit
gods are assholes who do whatever they want with mortals, pagan myth if chockfull of divine assholery and christians ain't that far behind either, the judeochristian god is famous for sending plagues, cataclism and several world ending events when he gets pissed, and he even torments innocents cus muh bet with the devil or orders their most devout followers to kill their firstborn in the mountain
and let's not even talk about the human side of religion, there has never been a single religious organization in the history of the world that has ever done something positive for mankind
at best the one good thing they've ever done is to rile up peasants to fight off invading religions, but that was pretty much like the territorial ganagwar of 2 rival drugpushing cartels
religion are storyes with hard learned life lessons passed down from our ancestors and over time they transformed into these deep lore full of myth and superstition that were used by tyrants to justify their tyrany in the name of a greater power who they served
anyone with mid/high IQ knows that religion is cancer, and since mid/high IQ is sort of requirement to write code, it's no surprise that religion is shown as it realy is and has always been when portrayed in vidya format
8bd78d No.15399746
>>15399738
8/10
Almost got me.
fa455e No.15399747
>>15391593
Fallout 3. The catholics are portrayed as good people. Fallout 2 also had the abbey taken straight from the canticle of leibowitz novel.
>>15391761
>kingdom come
It mocked catholicism quite a lot. You may say that it's pro-religions, but seemingly only judaism and protestanism.
>>15392786
>>15393230
Yeah, followers of the apocalypse aren't theists, they're just like BoS. Both are just secular political organizations.
>>15399608
Skyrim wanted to focus on the conflict between Thalmor and the human races, not the religions, those were already covered extensively in Morrowind.
fa455e No.15399755
>>15399378
>>15399316
I don't want a game series with a feminine twink protagonist to have religious undertones either, to be fair.
7165e0 No.15399782
I'm a Christian. My beliefs, morals and personal interpretation of Christianity are good and beautiful and therefore above all criticism. It's too bad I'm not the leader of all Christians. That is the reason to world's pain.
885076 No.15399784
>>15399747
>Skyrim wanted to focus on the conflict between Thalmor and the human races
Kek, yet it's the weakest part of the game and most of the content was cutted out.
b8acae No.15399789
>>15398755
The omnipotence problem isn't so potent as people believe.
On one hand, you have Calvinists who believe that people are destined for hell or heaven the second they are born, and therefore true free will does not exist.
But the free will issue is pretty easily married to the ominpotence problem like this- imagine God is a lab researcher, and human are rats in a maze. The research isn't controlling which ways the rat will go, and may know enough about each rat to guess what path they will take, but ultimately the rat makes each choice on the twists and turns itself. The researcher can see the entire maze and where each path leads, but it really comes up to each rat to determine where it is going.
fa455e No.15399807
>>15399784
You mean strongest. I love how it's played subtly, makes it feel like a legit conspiracy theory.
209569 No.15399864
>>15399782
Nail something to the door of your church.
ba18fa No.15399961
ActRaiser let's you play as God who comes to Earth to free humanity and kick Satan's ass with philosophical themes on religion scattered inbetween.
7f5746 No.15400036
>>15399085
That's the animated series which is not canon
426faf No.15400061
>>15393230
> without expanding on it.
This is incorrect
b8acae No.15400091
>>15400036
God that series pissed me off. Virtually the only thing good about it was that the VA for Trevor was decent.
Everything else was complete shit
>All the VAs are complete ass and have these horrible fake sounding accents (aside from Trevor)
>The entire story is this atheism+ fanfic about how religion is the most evil thing in the world (more so than fucking dracula) and the only hope against dracula chimping out is through "FACTS and LOGIC" cult.
>I'm not exaggerating when I say the story emphasizes how evil Christianity is, literally every single clergy member in the series is mustache twirling evil thug who makes dracula look like the good guy
>the animation is complete ass and looks like it was rushed together on the most shoe string budget possible
>every character in the series is so one dimensional that they would be more compelling if they were literally paper.
> The entire first season is boring as fuck, and just when they finally get you to something that is interesting, they say fuck it season over pay us more money to continue.
Seriously, fuck the castlevania series.
7f5746 No.15400245
>>15400091
The most unforgivable thing is that they treated Dracula by turning him into a victim. In both the games and the source material he is a distinctly Christian villain who loses something dear to him and rather than coping with it he blames god and does great evil in order to scorn him. Even before he became a vampire he lost his humanity by betraying his best friend and sacrificing his best friend's love interest. And when the same thing happens again instead of exercising forgiveness, a christian virtue, he lets his rage get the best of him and does the opposite of what his love wants.
d803eb No.15400262
>>15399961
> sim part is really good
> japanese version is slow as molasses
> japanese don't like sim part
> actraiser 2 has no sim part at all
To this day I think this is a crying shame.
df548c No.15400293
>>15399961
I thought the god in actraiser was a hellenic kind of god.
Still, pretty rad game, shae japs shit taste ruined the sequel.
5c3ede No.15400314
Heavy Spoilers for Final Fantasy 15 here
it has gods and they are really helpful, that is all
d803eb No.15400383
>>15400293
You can't really blame them. Their version was pretty shit in the first place. Try it out to see what I mean.
df548c No.15400398
>>15400383
Is there any sort of spiritual sucessor to the first game?
d803eb No.15400457
>>15400398
Haven't bothered to look.
169212 No.15400527
>>15399363
>foreskin isnt castrated at birth
>being an atheist automatically means you weren't born in america or your parents weren't retarded
8b81a9 No.15401542
Dragon Quest 9. You play as an angel, your job is to spread joy among the mortals. You meet God. He's a bro.
ba6995 No.15402034
>>15391607
Especially Atheism. That religon's kill count is higher then Islam.
279624 No.15402084
>>15391593
FO: New Vegas. FoA faction. continues with Honest Hearts DLC.
bd5725 No.15402178
>>15398953
>>15398887
Alucard's mom was hung on a cross above a pyre and in fact that was a major defining moment for dracula's backstory referenced across the next games, Castlevania 3 and Lament of Innocence already mention how dracula made of the church his enemy.
… and that's ignoring the anime series canon (which was already written in 2007 and okayed by IGA) and all the official novels and comics made around sotn release … you want to say the church has absolutely no relationship to lisa and dracula?
now that's reaching.
>>15399279
>apparently some U.S. versions were edited to take the religion out for some fucking reason
The churches in dragon quest used crosses and healers, but were not really christian. It was generic religious iconography just like crosses in lufia (which has different gods).
DQ2 had 4 gods or something. The god that serves as the final boss in 7 is an imposter.
DQ series also toned down puff puff jokes in the enix era on nes, started uncensoring on gameboy, then come plus alfa started censoring even heavier in their shitty retranslations. Some say 11 has them back (a repeat of 3's puff puff scene) but some sjw reviewers threw a fit why they're even back.
7f5746 No.15402222
>>15402178
None of those sources confirm your assertions aside from the Anime which is not canon the games (the subject of this thread), contradicts all the material provided by the games and is in addition written by a fedora neckbeard westerner.
bd5725 No.15402223
>>15400091
And I agree about this 100%.
The Castlevania animated series is anti religious propaganda with the subtlety of a brick.
It's different from when the Japanese writers do it. Who probably read Nietze and loved the themes and wanted to use them for a final villain arc as cautionary tales why fanatism and excessive collectivism hindering personal will and thought is wrong, but rarely ever go specifically against one religion in particular beyond some generic representation.
For CV2017 it permeates the entire series. It's especially bad when it goes against the actual CV3 game that shows a very religious Trevor, which shows it's less an adaptation and more a soapbox. They said they got IGA's approval for a movie script that got shelved then reused for this, but i doubt he was fine with this obvious propaganda.
bd5725 No.15402251
>>15402222
>lisa, dracula's husband
>cross and pyre
>soldiers and priests overseeing the execution
>game screenshot
sure anon, dracula's wife was murdered by muslim clerics
bd5725 No.15402271
>>15402222
>>15402251
More fake news:
>Konami Magazine Nocturne in the Moonlight Comic
>A comic appearing on a single page spread in Konami Magazine Volume 4 (Sep 1997) as an advertisement for Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
>The story and artwork was by Ayami Kojima, supervised by IGA. who did the artwork for the game as well.
7e8bba No.15402286
>>15402034
Going to a mormon school I heard this so much. Great bait but some people don't think about what they say too much.
7f5746 No.15402306
>>15402271
That's an illusion by a succubus demon.
The scrip does not mention the church at all.
http://castlevania.wikia.com/wiki/Konami_Magazine_Nocturne_in_the_Moonlight_Comic
And the newer material from Aria retcons which includes the Belnades having been recruited by the same church and employed by them for centuries retcons any potential involvement basically or if it was it was local church and not the major one. Try harder.
b4acb4 No.15402318
>>15402286
Not sure if you just don't know or Soviet Internet Defense Force. Either way, a list of deaths by country caused by communist governments or Marxist terrorists:
China: 82 million dead
USSR: more than 21 million dead
North Korea: 4.6 million dead
Vietnam: 3.8 million dead
Cambodia: 2.4 million dead
Afghanistan: 1.5 million dead
Yugoslavia: 1,172,000 dead
Germany: 815,000 dead
Mozambique: 729,000 dead
Ethiopia: 725,000 dead
Romania: 435,000 dead
Czechoslovakia: 262,082 dead
Venezuela: more than 252,000 dead
Poland: more than 235,000 dead
Hungary: 210,000 dead
Angola: 125,000 dead
Colombia: 105,419 dead
Albania: 100,000 dead
Rhodesia / Zimbabwe: more than 50,000 dead
Laos: 45,000 dead
Bulgaria: 31,150 dead
Cuba: 73,000 dead
Peru: 37,840 dead
Mongolia: 35,000 dead
Philippines: 22,799 dead
Greece: 15.401 dead
Nicaragua: 5.000 dead
Spain: at least 4,176 dead
Argentina: 1,501 dead
South Yemen: 1,000 dead
Israel: 83 dead
Uruguay: 66 dead
West Germany and West Berlin: 35 dead
United States: 10 dead
Source: The Black Book of Communism (Harvard University Press, 1997)
https://archive.fo/1FcdG
7e8bba No.15402323
>>15402318
Im gonna blow your mind.
Communism isn't a religion and any belief system can have fanatics that commit genocide.
Also Pol Pot is the greatest leader.
00a498 No.15402575
>>15402034
>Islam
>high kill count
Naw, Islam took notes from the Jews and prefer to tax the hell out of non-believers (with severe consequences if they don't) instead of trying to kill them outright. The REAL highest kill count belongs to Tengri
>>15402323
>Pol Pot
That guy is like a wannabe Mao without any of his Military prowess. No wonder he got deposed by the Ho chi minh
609876 No.15402587
Arcanum, but it's not exactly a religion in the end.
cfcc53 No.15402588
>>15402323
>shows actual data of communist regimes death toll
>"haha nice try goy other systems were bad too haha"
96f1f9 No.15402589
>>15402323
>any belief system can have fanatics that commit genocide
>numbers, prevalence, and percentages are irrelevant
Dude, that means like, all beliefs are the same! It's like horseshoe theory! You're so enlightened, man!
94b593 No.15402631
>>15398729
>doesn't understand the passage
yep, them amerimutts sure are dumb
425993 No.15402639
>>15402323
>lol atheism doesn't kill people
>shown proof to the contrary
>e-everyone has crazies
94b593 No.15402643
>>15402323
Historical materialism and rationalism combine to make murderers out of any person who truly follows the ideology to its natural endpoint. If you believe that material conditions lead to a utopian paradise and that any divine moral precepts are simply but a system of control, then naturally any action, no matter how murderous, is good as long as it brings about those conditions.
adf05f No.15402664
>>15402306
Oh the priests and executioners in Alucard's FLASHBACK (succubus even says it's a memory) are totally illusions too, Lisa's wounds is illusion as well.
Castlevania 3's intro about how the church witchhunts turned on the alucard family and then to repair their mess now that dracula is roaming, they tracked them back to make use of their magical powers, is illusions too
Church BFF with dracula and the alucards confirmed
>Try harder.
You rejected actual pixel art of priests overseeing her execution taken from the damn game. You can try glasses some day, doubtful it would erase that much mental blindness. Acknowledging castlevania canon won't make you an atheist overnight you know.
098711 No.15402668
>>15402323
>Communism isn't a religion
Coulda fooled me.
adf05f No.15402698
>>15402668
Best Korea literally refers to their supreme leaders as god emperors born in sacred mountains, immortal and with the power to revive themselves with the will of the people.
It's little wonder when they're so staunchly against religion when they go and say religious love for divinities must be replaced with love for the party / the supreme leader. Many other smaller aspects reinforce that …
- original sins
- hidden truths only reachable by the enlightened few
- that happen to be only in the high ideological ranks of the party
- enshrining ad hominems, mental dissonances and unpersonings as valid discussion methods
- taboo subjects and assertions with any dissenter worthy of grievous violence or death
723d8d No.15402706
>>15393452
well not entirely, nocturne had this thing about "The Great Will" which seemed to be outside of the Lucifer/YHVH dynamic. I had the impression it was more a concept for being and creation in the catholic sense of God rather than the angry gold man that talmudic Jews hold Him to be
723d8d No.15402712
>>15398373
no, the catholics got persecuted because danish protestants came in and egged tokugawa to put them all to death
723d8d No.15402725
>>15398510
God allows evil because we're all due to death already with original sin. As St. Paul tells us, we shouldn't mourn like the pagans do, because we understand as Christians that Christ died, and rose again conquering death, thus paving the way for the general resurrection, wherein -everybody- will arise again and be cast into either Hell or Paradise.
7d92f1 No.15405552
>>15398259
>without God theres only instinct to follow
This is why Europe is being flooded with muslims and niggers and why America won't have its constitution after 2024.
7d92f1 No.15405564
>>15392428
>implying you didn't do this on purpose
You'll grow out of that edgy phase eventually.
b6abed No.15405591
>>15405552
So without god the nature of the european man is suicide?
Sounds like bullshit.
9ce73d No.15405612
52a3dd No.15405769
Most JRPGs that have you killing elder gods and such don't actually portray religion itself in a bad light, and actually hold true to Shinto beliefs i.e. everything has a soul, even the world itself.
But if you're only talking about Judaeo-Christian values then yeah, I can understand how killing an ultimately trivial deity would upset your filthy western sensibilities.
3597ac No.15405780
Almost every Lovecraftian game portrays religion as a bulwark against madness, the only hope against insanity. D&D games are arguably neutral because they have good and evil religions, but I'd argue it's an overall good look because almost all of the good characters tend to be religious.
94b593 No.15405833
Is esoteric knowledge now completely closed to those with the personality deemed "autistic" in modern internet culture? The very literal and simplistic understanding of metaphysics I constantly see on display everywhere is leading me to believe this. Perhaps that is why video games handle religion poorly, they are made by people who find it a completely opaque subject.
Major organized religions abandoning the intelligent was a huge mistake, much like developers who aim for a wider audience by dumbing down their designs and instead rely on harvesting from the psychological weaknesses of their customers.
234db1 No.15405836
>>15405769
>Judaeo-Christian values
<Christian:love yourself, your neigbor, your people, and God
><eudeo: EXPLOIT THE GOYIM THEY ARE ANIMALS
75892f No.15406217
I'm named after the archangel of war, Michael (hebrew: מִיכָאֵל | greek: Μιχαήλ | latin: Michahel | arabic: ). Besides the SMT/Persona games, are there any other games that depict or mention the archangel himself?
c2a452 No.15406242
>>15392786
Dragon Quest's nuns are cute. More games need cute nuns.
7e8bba No.15406259
>>15405552
You sound Mormon.
7e8bba No.15406271
>>15393452
Neutral is always the best choice.
b549d7 No.15407248
You can join the Order in DX: Invisible War which is a religious organization.
6d71aa No.15407266
>>15398387
Davis was a literal heretic though, the sort who would, had he the power or position, claim himself to be the literal brother of Jesus Christ.
339046 No.15407805
>>15393334
ahh, i see you've also been to /fringe/.
they actually do though
3012c6 No.15407906
>>15407266
He was a schizophrenic dude, he believed that literal CIA niggers stalked him, if he had "the power or position" he would probably ask people to stand upside down and call him your majesty.