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First for Hunting Horn is legs only.

I hate niggers, but I hate MHW more.

Update the OP with 4u and XX emulation already

>>15390018

>MHW

And there we go

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>>15390051

A couple of people will say it's bad, a couple less people will say it's good, and then the usual faggot will come to bait using the standard "Ur just mad it's not on a nintendo console!!!" bait while being intentionally retarded.

even though I've written this, it'll still happen

Monster Girl Hunter when?

>>15390196

It is when every thread turns into a shitflinging contest between World and everyone else.

Is there a way to play FU over internet with an actual PSP/PSVITA?

>>15390237

Yes but only p2p and you need a ps3. Use the ad-hoc systems.

>>15390245

Really? Not even with CFW? SURELY someone has figured out how to route adhoc on the PSP emu on VITA to the wireless.

>>15390257

google it

it's more than possible that there isn't enough interest

>>15390257

At that point you might as well just emulate. It's not exactly resource intensive to run mhfu. You can easily port your saves over if that's what you're worried about.

>VITA

This is a horrible technicality but there was a frontier game on vita.

>>15390051

just filter the sperg already

>>15390274

>You can easily port your saves over if that's what you're worried about.

Can you do that even on OFW Vita? I've got a couple games that it'd be handy to do that with.

how much worse is pirated XX on n3ds than mhgu on switch? all run at 30fps right?

>>15390691

that urgent quest on mhfu forced you to learn to wait for monster to move first, not blindly rush in

he was simply a first casual filter

>>15390682

>how much worse is pirated XX on n3ds than mhgu on switch?

Not at all.

>all run at 30fps right?

Yep.

>>15390691

It's a simple fight, but an intense one.

>Then he gets tired and may as well be dead since he can't do shit at that point.

If you're doing well, you'll almost never see this happen, since rage overwrites exhaustion.

>>15390726

most for*

>>15390757

Odogaron. It's the only of the new monsters that puts up anything resembling a decent fight and has any real meaningful speed to it. Doesn't quite hit hard enough or inflict bleed often enough to be a challenge sadly, but it's the most salvageable out of the crop that game produced.

One nice thing i can say about Monster Hunter World is that it made "Fanged Wyvern" no longer be Zinogre's special snowflake catagory. Now we need more snake wyverns and temnocerans.

>>15390759

Plus his armor is sick as fuck

>>15390776

Also the Rotten Vale is the only good map and the theme music there is the only good tune in World. It's almost like everything about that particular part of the game was designed by a huge Nausicaa otaku.

I wish the game had its own set of Elder Dragons though. I'm so god damn fucking sick of hunting Kirin, Kushala, and Teostra every god damn fucking game. And Rathalos/Rathian too. Fuck's sake.

Monster hunter world is the bing bing wahoo of monster hunter

>>15390794

>I wish the game had its own set of Elder Dragons though

It did, but they were all terrible - Zora, Nerg, Val, and Xeno are some of the most boring fights in the game.

>>15390759

Its just a shit serigios

>>15390808

You're not wrong, but it's still the best World had to offer.

>>15390803

Zora and Xeno don't even count, those are both Lao Shan tier themepark hunts. The only time I ever really liked any of those things was Jhen Mohran, and even then was only because the music was so great.

>>15390813

If world and the new one on the switch fail, do you guys think capcom will stop making new monster hunter games altogether?

>>15390838

I presume you mean World 2 since World 1 is pretty much a runaway success financially, and the old one on the Switch that's just "new" to foreigners. It's possible, considering that when the same thing happened to Konami after Lords of Shadow, they just turned Castlevania into an erotic pachinko machine. Then again, in Capcom's case specifically, after Donte bombed and seemingly killed DMC, we ended up finally getting DMC 5 announced this year, so who knows.

>>15390843

Meant generations ultimate.

>>15390858

>Meant generations ultimate.

Exactly, it's not a new game, it came out a year and a half ago, only the foreigners think it's new.

>>15390870

Nigger it's had a translation patch up for almost the entire time it's been out

>>15390871

>>15390870

I don't speak a stroke of rune and I played the whole game without even a translation patch. Eventually learned what the rune for "fire", "water", "thunder", and "dragon" was too.

>>15390873

I do something similar with hentai games and other things. Like I know what the word for save and load is in nipponese now.

>>15390872

XX has been out since March 2017, and I'm pretty sure the patch was being posted in these threads within a month or two of that.

>>15390873

This, basic pattern recognition is enough even if you're not literate in Moon though that's no excuse not to learn, mind you

>>15390852

I've played FU, he's even worse there.

>>15390879

>basic pattern recognition is enough

Not really, remembering all the kanji you need isn't something I'd call "basic". You'd still need a wiki or something for stuff like armor skills. It is one of the more accessible games if you don't know Nip, but it's certainly not easy with no knowledge of the language. Which is why everyone should learn it!

>>15390888

>a wiki

Nigger's never heard of google translate before?

>>15390888

I don't got 12 years of neethood to learn nipponese just to play porn games anon.

>>15390897

More like every video game ever - once you start learning, you start to realize how incredibly worthless (((localizations))) are. You also don't need to be anywhere near fluent to play vidya.

>>15390893

Yes, it would be so easy to type a Japanese word into a translator when you don't know the language. Fucking brilliant. And google translate is shit for Jap.

>>15390921

You know it works by taking a picture, right?

>>15390923

I just tried that out. It works better than expected. It doesn't always seem to pick up text or translate properly though. I think having to use that for an entire game would get annoying, but it's better than nothing for sure.

How do you fight Teostra with a bowgun in MHW? It seems i can only hit the head, everything else does zero (0) damage.

>>15391347

Elderseal is an option. You have to dispel his aura and elderseal is the only thing that does it. It's the same shit Kirin and Kushala have too. (0) damage with the aura on except for the head.

Of course elderseal is SHIT. Complete fucking SHIT. So just shoot the head.

>>15391347

If you're having a shitload of trouble, make a Nerdgigante bowgun for the high elderseal and keep shooting them in the head. Until they flinch and you see the aura go away, then shoot them anywhere. The ranged weapons in World are so good and easy to use they make almost every fight trivial.

>>15391517

>>15391347

Dragon shots need to hit the head at first in order to apply elder seal too. As an ammo they're kinda trash since they move so damn slow. But I guess if you get one good shot in it'll dispel the aura quick.

>>15391517

>>15391564

>>15391571

Alright thanks. I've been using the Nerg weapon with 3/3 free elem up gear.

Dragonshot having to hit the head first is good information indeed. I was just plowing it into whatever weak spot would have the most hits. Though it felt worthless as it usually missed and was basically a shitty pierce shot.

I need like 6 more kirin horns so I'll got my weekend planned.

>>15391590

I should probably correct myself a bit, if the aura for blocking bullets is up it needs to hit the head since otherwise it'll act like the other shots and do 0. Explosive aura for teo can still be hit by bodyshots and have elder seal applied that way.

>>15390726

>Furries against world

Negative, furfags are all over world because they can finally play it

Nice try at false flagging furfag kill yourself

Also, worst dragon, but still too good for you to use

>calling other people avatarfags and furfags

>avatarposting

Kill la kill yourself

>>15391564

I just can't get into the guns in World. I like the bow but they changed too much about the guns and it fucks with my head, especially HBG's stupid fucking run after rolling.

>>15390691

The HR urgent quest with two of them in the mountain area fucks your shit up.

>>15390237

Yes

I've done it with a vita so it should work with a psp.

Pro online works with a few games on adrenaline the MH games being some of them

there was a guide on reddit that i cant find that i used to get it working. but its pretty simple

give your vita a static ip and make sure the network settings on the vita and adrenaline menus are the same with that ip. set up pro online and make sure to change the clock speed and have all other add-ons disabled in adrenaline.

that was the jist of it i think

>>15392232

I can only find 6.60 pro online, I assume it works with adrenaline despite it being 6.61?

>>15390852

He may have been weaker in p3rd, but have you played apex tigger or molten tigrex in 4th? Holy shit molten tigrex is so intense the first time you fight him

>>15392170

Classic monster hunter: You, the monster, an arena to fight it in

Freedom Unite (2nd gen) is the biggest "classic" monster hunter, from there they started experimenting with new mechanics

3rd generation added swimming (not in p3rd) and refined monster animations and added many mechanics like exhaust to make monsters more lifelike, so 3 ultimate (outside of the few underwater fights) is the best "classic" monster hunter experience, where mistakes are punished but monsters don't ultra-instinct combo all over your face, and hunts are longer. 3U was the best balanced MH for solo play.

Anime monster hunter: Flashy fights, big super moves, more tricks and complexity in general,

4th gen's defining characteristics are verticality (mounting, lots of ledges to do plunge attacks off of) and increased monster aggression and speed, but lower overall HP. Hunts go faster in 4th gen if you play well, but there's a lot more environmental annoyances to watch out for. There are also more intricate weapon mechanics ALA charge blade's guard point, and overall the skill ceiling of the game is higher than older ones, but the skill floor is lower because of certain tactics being easy to abuse like mounting and proper team play making hunts go by absurdly quick. Monsters in this gen have some brutal combos that will take you from full to dead if you're at appropriate gear level, if you don't use the new ability to time your getting up from a down, and ledges are a real double edged sword. Paying proper attention to your arena and using it can make a hunt a lot easier, but bad positioning can kill you a lot easier than older games that had more open areas, especially with simple shit like charges sliding along walls. Gen added arts which gave every weapon super moves, which trivializes multiplayer even further because the more players you have, the more openings to use said moves you get, so they added more balanced for multiplayer shit like deviants.

Absurd monster hunter: Frontier. Basically broken on every level, a complete mockery of MH and a fusion of anime combo fighters and MMOs. Some people still like it, but it has shit like "peerless nargacuga" that will do "you are already dead" and "jigokumegofukorassodon" who will go completely final fantasy and annihilate the arena with shittons of AOE attacks from everywhere.

Babyhunter turbo playschool: World. Take all the things they've done to let monsters keep up with increased player power in 4th gen, and remove them, then slow the monsters down. Take everything they've given hunters, and tack on "monsters fighting eachother" and "environmental traps / weapons" and you've got a game where you can knock off 30-40% of a monster's health without even touching it. Then allow hunters to restock items at any time, making the only challenge not getting instant-killed, and all the challenge of the game is basically gone. And to add some actual post game content, instead of giving monsters new moves or patterns, they just make them do more damage, and call them "tempered", an unbelievably lazy mechanic compared to monsters getting new attacks in higher ranks, or getting subspecies, or frenzy, apex or deviants. Even though apex was a shit mechanic, all of the previous are better than tempered. If you bought world and enjoy it, you should probably try playing games aimed at the 3-5 year old age range, or FIFA / fortnite.

>>15391347

>It seems i can only hit the head, everything else does zero (0) damage.

This isn't unique to World, his flame aura has always melted bullets.

God GU on the switch might not be the best monhun but christ playing it locally with 3 friends in the same room is so better than worlds obtuse online with invading randos carting.

Just showing friends who only played world shit like gypceros and kut-ku and watching them cheer as they broke a tetsucabras tusks and came up with ideas to use items and weapons to work together was great.

I'm not shitting on world in general, its the best console hunting game since GE2 and better than that but fuck is this the best way to play.

Maybe monhun cafes wont be dead in the future?

>>15392685

>I'm not shitting on world in general, its the best console hunting game since GE2

You literally just said XX on the Switch was better though.

still would be nice to have a infograph :^)

>>15392545

well MHW sounds disapointing and I am assume Anime MonHun is Generations.

>>15392781

>well MHW sounds disapointing

It is.

>and I am assume Anime MonHun is Generations.

That's how most people described it, although in that Anon's explanation he was including 4/U as well.

>>15392834

To be fair, can you imagine trying to split-screen Monster Hunter? You'd have to get a movie screen most likely.

There used to be a few pastebin how-to guides for the different weapons and was curious if anyone still had the links lying around. Main switch axe, but been wanting to learn and git gud at hunting horn.

>>15392509

Yea that one is fine i think.

>>15390736

>rage overwrites exhaustion

Does it still work like that in World? I'm pretty sure they either stopped overwriting each other or swapped it so exhaustion could overwrite rage around either X or XX, because in XX monsters seemed to get exhausted a lot more often, SA Exhaust phials actually seemed to do something, and even in G-rank rages seemed like they'd sometimes end earlier than normal and monsters would immediately become exhausted when it ends.

>>15390770

I want more Leviathans and Amphibians. Zamtrios and Tetsucabra, like most of 4th gen's new monsters, were both great and I'd love to see more like them. And the land-only Leviathans like Ivory Lagiacrus, Mizutsune, or Purple Ludroth and X's Ludroth were all pretty fun too. X's Lagiacrus is the only exception, turning it into some Frontier style AoE and lightning spamfest was a mistake.

>>15390838

World is Capcom's best selling game ever, and XX's switch release was a massive success, which also lead to a huge surge in switch sales in Japan. Even if the localization of XX and the PC version of World continues to be a failure, all that means is at worst Capcom stops porting MH games to PC and stops making games more like XX to focus purely on World style MH games on consoles. If they both flop, at best, it means Japan gets more stuff like XX on the switch and Capcom actually puts some tiny shred of effort into the next PC port, but that's wishful thinking.

>>15393181

Can confirm rage overwrites exhaust in G

>>15392806

>>15392781

Yeah, I was including 4u, because Gen is on the same engine, and is just continuing off the things 4u started. Not that I dislike 4u or Gen, just that they're closer to each other in style than they are to the old games. They're both great, 3U is my personal favorite but I've spent the most hours on 4U because of guild quests and custom quests. Fighting all three Fatalis in a row is fun.

I don't get why people hate World. It's a perfectly fun game. The reason why it's so different is because the devs wanted to create a breathing ecosystem in the game.

But no, we can't have that can we?

>No, it's not Monster Hunter unless it's an arena grinder with every single bit of content from the previous games packed into it.

>I also has to have a roster exactly identical to the fights i fought in the old games.

The fights in World are fine, and If you want your arena fix you go and fight in the "Arena".

Wow there's an Arena in World? Who would have thought?

They went into World trying to make a technological leap on what was possible in a monster hunter game, acting like everything was going to be the same is a pipe dream.

>>15393241

Because its not on the switch.

>>15393241

monster roster and design is lesser than any of the previous titles, endgame is non existent, armor designs are garbage minus 2-3 examples and the game is shamefully easy.

>>15393303

>>15393241

Basically it needs G-Rank to redeem itself.

>>15393283

Thats not really the point I'm trying to make here.

The usual line being spun in the /mhg/ threads is:

>The game is easy and was dumbed down for casuals.

>Has less monsters.

There's a lot more to game play than just difficulty and the number of monsters.

I think a lot of people judging World need to see the GDC video i posted because it shows that "More Monsters, Tougher Monsters!" Wasn't the design focus of this game.

>>15393319

>the thing you liked MH for wasn't the focus of this game and that's why you dislike it!!!

Well, there you go. You found it. RIght there. Ding ding.

>>15393241

>They went into World trying to make a technological leap on what was possible in a monster hunter game

They went into World wanting to dumb it down so faggy western casuals would buy it.

>>15393241

I'd be fine with it if it got g-rank and another animation skeleton like the tigrex/narga stuff. I like it but it feels very sparse as far as fights go.

>>15393340

I'm hoping World was just a step in a new direction and it was necessary to cut down on all the variety until they tested it out. Kind of like Generations except more likely to see growth ala portable.

>>15393340

>weapons

What do you mean you don't like the default greatsword with some shit tacked onto it? Totally unique weapon, goy. tigrex tank neber eber ;_;

>>15393370

"Monster hunter 2"

meant > Monster Hunter World 2

>>15393370

They should just nuke the series at this point because there has literally never been a series that has gone for "accesibility" and a "wider audience" that has come out better for it.

The slippery slope is real and this game is merely a herald of worse things to come.

>>15393370

>kept the level design

The level design is also shit, with two massive examples being the Ancient Forest, which is a convoluted mess of samey looking shit and hunting any flying monster on it is pure hell, and the Elder's Recess, which is tiny and for some reason spawns five or six monsters at once, most of which only travel between three rooms on the map in a group, having you end up in a room with three or four monsters at once, and your target monster just chilling in the middle of them. The level design and going for "a living breathing world" means the game bombards you with shit you do not want to do.

You pick a high rank Barroth hunt in the Wildspire Waste, for example. You're fighting the Barroth. Oh shit, here comes a Diablos. And it took 20% of Barroth's health with it. Oh shit, here's a Black Diablos and it roared you into a charge. Alright, dung bombed it. Oh shit, here's a Rathian. And it just poisoned the Barroth on accident while it was trying to whack you. Alright, dung bombed it. Aaaaaand here's the fucking Bazelgeuse to shit in your cereal.

If I picked a Barroth hunt, I want to fight a Barroth. I don't want to fight the entire fucking map at once, while the Barroth gets shit on by some other monster.

>b-but anon, invasion monsters!!!

Yeah, the Bazelgeuse and Deviljho are the invasion monsters. All of the other shit shows up because the devs want to rub the fact that "THIS IS A LIVING WORLD, SEE, IT'S NOT JUST YOU AND THE MONSTER YOU'RE FIGHTING THERE'S AN ECOSYSTEM AND EVERYTHING!" in my face repeatedly, even though it doesn't make for good gameplay.

>>15393384

>there has literally never been a series that has gone for "accesibility" and a "wider audience" that has come out better for it.

Hopefully Ace Combat 7 will prove you wrong, and that the dev team did learn from their mistakes after the hell that was Assault Horizon. However, said devs also admitted that they fucked up and are actively trying to win back their original audience. No way Crapcom will walk away from all the dosh though.

>>15393370

Forgot to include this, but, I don't even understand what kind of argument you're going for here.

>if mhw wasn't mhw but an old MH game with different level design, you'd like it, right?

Yeah, I'd like MHW if it wasn't MHW.

>>15393414

>Because it is, ultimately, too easy.

>I think most changes despite the ones that are actively impacting the games difficulty to be good.

>I believe people who are mad about world using a "seamless" environment and having monsters interactions really didn't get it that this is what the devs were trying from the very start.

>There were environmental traps in 2nd Gen, Volcano area had explosive rocks.

>In 4U Seregios and Azure Rathalos fight each other but after the cutscene each other's AI doesn't even realize the others existence.

>And the constant amount of trailers showing off the ecosystem in Tri, which was when the series finally had a semblance of a working ecosystem instead of just having every monster either big or small attack the player with little regard for their well being.

>The series had to cut down it's ambition ever since it was put on the handhelds because the hardware just didn't allow it.

>These kinds of changes were obvious if they ever decided to go for better hardware.

Thank you, this entire post is exactly what I noticed and was trying to say.

>>15393319

>There's a lot more to game play than just difficulty and the number of monsters.

Its literally called Monster Hunter you retarded fuck

>>15393431

You're still missing the point. It doesn't matter what the devs intended, wanted, or were going for. What matters is the end product. Yeah, Peter Molyneux wanted a huge living world, yeah, he intended to make the most immersive and well crafted RPG game of all time, yeah, he was going for the largest open world in a videogame at the period. But he made Fable fucking 2.

It's the exact same thing with MHW. Yeah, they wanted to make a living ecosystem, and they wanted huge interconnected maps and they wanted to make you feel like you were actually tracking and hunting the monster through these huge worlds. But they made Monster Hunter World.

If this game, made on current gen hardware in a timespan of something like five years has less content and less enjoyable gameplay than a PSP game from ten years ago, what is the fucking point of it existing? Why would I consider a game better because of something the developers intended instead of what was actually in the game?

If they magically make MHW2 or G rank or whatever an actually good game, then that game will be good, it won't make MHW better because "this is what they ACTUALLY wanted to do".

>>15393407

That's a pretty big hyperbole because the game only allows 3 monster per map at the same time but yes I do agree that monster do way too much damage to each other on certain attacks.

That and Elders Recess being shitty, it's clearly a rushed area and yes it is a problem.

That's about all I agree with your post.

Unlike other MH where the maps were easy to navigate, Worlds aren't, you actually need to learn the maps layout, or at least you would if the shitty scoutflies weren't showing you the way after you find a monster.

This should be obvious to anyone given how World no longer gives a map to the player and instead expects the player to explore it.

>but exploration isn't MH focus

You're right, but it has been an element of the series ever since, if it wasn't the game would just have Arena quests instead.

>but that's not hunting

Neither is gathering and it's been in every game.

>with two massive examples being the Ancient Forest, which is a convoluted mess of samey looking shit and hunting any flying monster on it is pure hell

The only issue I had in Ancient Forest was finding camp 17, besides that I can't see how other people have problems with it, try to get a better since of direction, I also disagree that areas look "samey", I honestly don't even know which areas you can point out besides the underground ones which I guess could be confusing.

Also why is fighting flying enemies hell in there? because they fly away?

You can use the camps to shorten the time.

>If I picked a Barroth hunt, I want to fight a Barroth

It's a good thing World let's you do just that after you capture said monster in the wild, sadly it's not every monster but it's the majority, I do hope they add it for every monster in the sequel.

>>15393486

>Yeah, they wanted to make a living ecosystem, and they wanted huge interconnected maps and they wanted to make you feel like you were actually tracking and hunting the monster through these huge worlds

And they didn't succeed? It's the best ecosystem out of all in the series.

>has less content

I addressed this in the post he replied to, World is a big leap in technology for the series and it has almost double than the amount of monsters in Tri

>less enjoyable gameplay than a PSP game from ten years ago

I really will never understand why people have such a blind love for FU when it's so broken, maybe it's because I'm a Tribabby but I spent 200 hours on FU and it's alright, but definitely not a well polished game.

Also what do you define by enjoyable gameplay?

To me anything that necessitates me to using claw doesn't have enjoyable gameplay because it makes my fucking hands hurt.

>>15393241

>>15393283

Stop disingenuously shitposting, the sandbox / platform is the least of World's problems, you know what the problems are

The monsters are WEAK AND SLOW, get pushed around like helpless animals by environmental traps, other monster interrupts and new hunter abilities, there's a small amount of them, and PAID DLC

In fact, from now on any worlds cuck that doesn't read the pastebin in OP should just get replied to with "read the pastebin and kill yourself shill" because if you honestly pretend any other reason than outlined is why people hate World you're a fanboy cuck redditor or a shill

>>15393370

>Fixed balance

You mean if they COMPLETELY CHANGED THEIR ENTIRE REASON FOR MAKING WORLD (we want the western casual audience because they pay money for dlc) and unfucked the monsters being weak and slow, gave them new moves in high rank and better moves all around, removed "tempered" faggot shit and replaced it with something better, heavily nerfed the fuckin monster fights / environment weapons, removed mantles, removed changing gear / restocking during the hunt, entirely reworked armor sets to be separated between blademaster and gunner, removed the fucking gay slinger, limited carts to maximum of 3 outside of arena quests, and added another 10 original monsters and 20 returning ones would it be good?

You mean if they MADE A PROPER MONSTER HUNTER would it be GOOD YES NIGGER THAT IS WHAT WE ARE MAD ABOUT KYS

And the part that really fucking gets me

The part that REALLY fucking gets me about world and this faggot "a team" that everybody thought was great, is how a decade later, on their biggest budget MH title by far with the longest dev time, they still didn't spend the time to make all their hitboxes tight. All the fucking waste of money on marketing and graphics and paid dlc shit, a fucking small roster, and they couldn't be fucked to actually give a shit about doing that shit right.

>>15393241

>It's a perfectly fun game.

Completely and totally on it's own in a vacuum? Possibly. Compared to Monster Hunter? No.

>The reason why it's so different is because the devs wanted to create a breathing ecosystem in the game.

Here's the thing though - no one here cares about that. It's window dressing, fluff. You can have that as long as it doesn't get in the way of the game, but if you're sacrificing gameplay to put that in, fuck off.

>>15393319

>I think a lot of people judging World need to see the GDC video i posted because it shows that "More Monsters, Tougher Monsters!" Wasn't the design focus of this game.

You're acting like we don't know what the focus was, when the problem is that we either don't care about the focus in the case of the environmental crap, or actively oppose it in the case of the dumbing it down for foreigners.

>>15393331

This. This is what they literally fucking said in the first interview after unveiling the title. How do people still not get this?

>>15392834

Monhun tri got split screen, if i remember correctly

>>15394093

Only for Arena fights though

>>15393181

The PC version sold pretty well and its the 4th most played game on steam right now, so i doubt a few salty PCGAMMERS in the steam reviews are enough to call it a failure.

>>15393241

Well, there are 2 main camps.

The fist one is the "Hardcore-PC-Gamer" that is salty his tripple-SLI-8K-quad-monitor setup does not work.

And then the people who get disappointed when you look at MHWs 31 large monsters vs MH4Us 75 large monsters while ignoring that 63 of those are just recycled from previous games.

Armor and weapon designs suffer from the same problem, although some are really lazy so thats a valid point imo.

Another complaint is the lack of difficult Endgame or "G-Rank" content, but that is also no surprise if you have played any other non "Ultimate" Monster hunter. The first game of a new Generation never had it but once again, people ignore that.

So all in all, its people making questionable comparisons to previous games while ignoring the history of said previous games.

Thats not to say that MHW isnt easier than previous games, but once again no "G-rank" is the main problem here. People remember how difficult (and thus fun) that was and then get triggered when you can now walk while drinking a potion. Not because the potion drinking is a problem, but because the monster you are fighting is a lightweight even when tempered compared to a previous G-Rank monster.

>>15393521

>Pastebin

>said pastebin contains multiple errors

no thanks bud. fix your blogpost and people will use it.

>>15394268

Recycled monsters > no monsters

>>15394268

It's funny that a MHW fag is defending shit optimization.

>>15394279

Definitely, but that's not exactly possible if you don't have said monsters. Putting PSP-era monsters in world is not really an option.

>>15394289

Jeez i made a joke about the crybaby PC crowd and you interpret it as defending anything.

The optimization is shit, but if a 6 year old 2600k and a 970 can run the game at 1080p60 when you disable volumetric fog then i believe it could be worse.

Not to mention that technical problems of the PC port are somewhat irrelevant when talking about the gameplay and content issues.

>>15394268

>no G rank is the problem

>didn't read the pastebin

>BUY IT GOY THE NEXT ONE WILL BE GOOD

4u's low rank is harder than world's endgame

>the pastebin is WROOOOONG BUY GAME GOY

>no counter

You're a shill kill yourself immediately

>>15394268

>said pastebin contains multiple errors

Like?

>>15393414

Damn amazing post Anon. I have a lot of issues with what World did as well but I agree that there's something genuinely good there that can come out if polished. It's nice to see actual discussion instead of just the standard buzzword flinging that goes on on /v/ nowadays.

Anyways, I also have a problem with how healing works. It takes so long to heal and then that doesn't even matter because you can just run while healing anyways. I think I would've preferred if they just stuck with the old healing style. Also, I like how they smoothed out gathering; you don't get locked into really long animations for many kinds of gathering anymore and I like that. You can just run by some herbs or something and scoop them up as you pass by. Once Behemoth hits PC I'd like to give him a go. If he's really as hard as they say I'm pretty excited to fight him, but I feel like some of the new mechanics might make the fight potentially awkward.

Maybe things will be fine though. I have a handful of issues with the way a lot of things are done but honestly it's damn late and I gotta be going to bed, and if I listed a lot of that shit anyways it'd just make for a really massive post that I don't feel like writing down at the moment.

If you faggots want to play mh4u i have some time before work

>>15394671

>You can just run by some herbs or something and scoop them up as you pass by.

This would be fine if auto-crafting/using the radial menu to craft wasn't a thing. Right now you can run past herbs and have them turn instantly into potions during a fight. Who knew herbs could be combined with literally nothing to make potions?

>>15394433

>Jeez i made a joke about the crybaby PC crowd

>just have no standards you crybaby goyim

Could you at least try to sound less jewish?

>>15394675

>4U

You're probably gone by now anyway, but I'd need to start a new file if we do U.

Is elemental good on melee weapons? I really never bothered with it and tried to get whichever weapon had the best sharpness and raw dmg. My understanding of it is that it only works for fast weapons like Dual Blades while slower weapons like GS and Hammer are shit for it. So which weapons use the elementals in a good way?

>>15394856

>My understanding of it is that it only works for fast weapons like Dual Blades while slower weapons like GS and Hammer are shit for it

Sort of. The thing is, slower weapons generally have a higher motion value, or MV (a multiplier that affects the damage output of different types of swings of the same weapon,) on any given attack, whereas the faster weapons like SnS and DBs have lower MVs per hit. Because element damage doesn't benefit from MVs, weapons that land more hits faster do more element damage.

>>15394860

>Because element damage doesn't benefit from MVs, weapons that land more hits faster do more element damage.

Alright, does that mean that IG and SA are semi-valid? Will it be worth it to run with a SA that has high element and spam the axe's stamina-consuming combo? And do the IG fast hits count as a good weapon to go for elemental damage instead of raw dmg?

>>15394860

Also, is it retarded to go with high raw dmg for DBs such as Akantor weapons or am I missing a lot by skipping weapons that have high element/2 elements in them for DBs?

>>15394856

Depends entirely on what you are fighting

Some monsters like Yian Garuga have 50 water MV on its body but since you don't really hit that with melee weapons, its pointless to go elemental.

>>15394873

>Will it be worth it to run with a SA that has high element and spam the axe's stamina-consuming combo

Unless you have a power SA with special elemental capabilities, your elemental attacks will only work in sword mode, where they get a multiplier too.

>And do the IG fast hits count as a good weapon to go for elemental damage instead of raw dmg?

You never want to compromise raw damage for elemental damage but again it depends on the monster.

>is it retarded to go with high raw dmg for DBs such as Akantor weapons

Akantor weapons don't have good sharpness so you'll be missing out dps in the long run.

>>15394852

i have a fresh character that i'm leaning hammer with, we can do some low rank hub quests, i still have like 2 hours more or less

>>15394911

Multiplayer is a meme. I've never put as much time into a MH game as I did MH3U, and that's mostly because I had no access to multiplayer and had to do everything myself.

>>15394911

MHW on PC

>>15394905

Shit Anon, sorry to get your hopes up, I just tried to go online and it says I need to update the firmware. Problem is, I'm running CFW, and last I heard updating to 11.8 results in bans for CFW.

>>15394911

At this point, your best bet if you want multiplayer is Portable 3rd on PPSSPP if you want to do PC, or 4U on 3DS. If multiplayer isn't that big a deal, start with Freedom Unite on PPSSPP.

>>15394911

MHFU is the most active multiplayer wise on PC via emulation

Then its P3rd and then its XX/Gen

You will need to join some dicksore communities though because nobody here plays anything online together.

>>15394929

>multiplayer is a meme

>everyone talks about multiplayer in these threads

>8ch spouts memes

What a shocker.

>>15394932

thanks dude, i'll give MHFU a go. kinda prefer PPSSPP to Citra anyway.

>>15394944

Hopefully. Poking around to see if I can figure out what the deal is with firmwares at the moment switching back to OFW isn't an option either, since the machine itself is JP so 4U would be literally unplayable, sorry

>>15392545

>Take all the things they've done to let monsters keep up with increased player power in 4th gen, and remove them, then slow the monsters down

>then slow the monsters down

Nigger play world or watch the gameplay, go back to mhfu and tell me with straight face world is slower. 2nd gen is the slowest monsters ever moved in the fucking game. you could juggle two monsters in the same area that werent tiggies due to schematic moveset and their slowness

>>15394894

>elemental attacks will only work in sword mode

Are you sure? I thought it was just that Element SAs got a 1.25x multiplier in Sword Mode, while regardless Axe mode just did normal element damage.

>>15394985

You might want to try reading what you're quoting, since he said they slowed the monsters down from 4th gen. Comparing to 2nd gen isn't actually arguing against what you're quoting.

>>15394998

Elemental SAs only deal elemental damage in sword mode.

If you have a power SA with some elemental attributes then that will deal elemental damage even in Axe mode.

>>15395003

Huh. How did we figure that out? I'm not seeing anything like that in the Famitsu guide.

>>15395007

Because all "phial" attributes only apply to sword mode. It's always been like that.

>>15395007

nvm I was wrong

Just tested it in MHXX

The whole element only applying on sword mode seems to be a thing only when the said element is in brackets

>>15395012

Element isn't inherently a part of the Phial though?

>>15395017

Ah yeah, that makes sense, the guide does mention that Sword Mode acts like the Awakening skill with the Elemental Phial.

>>15394894

>Unless you have a power SA with special elemental capabilities, your elemental attacks will only work in sword mode, where they get a multiplier too.

That's only for phial effects (Para, Poison, Exhaust, and Dragon), any SA with an element/status that isn't exclusively from its phial will still do elemental damage in Axe mode. For those aforementioned phials, they'll only do that phial's effects in Sword mode, and only have a 1/3 chance of applying it each hit. (I'm not sure whether Dragon phial is 1/3 though, it might apply every hit, either way Dragon phial SAs tend to be bad and are extremely uncommon). Since the effects are Sword mode only, and only 1/3 of the time at that - but still have the downsides of consuming charge and dulling the weapon faster regardless of whether the phial activates - all of these phials are generally seen as bad and usually not worth using. For Power and Element phial SAs that have an element or status, their elements/statuses will work normally in both Axe mode and Sword mode. For Power phial, the weapon will get a large boost to its non-elemental damage when in Sword mode, and for Element phial it'll get a boost to elemental damage instead, but the bonus damage for raw generally matters a lot more than the bonus elemental damage so Power is almost always better than Element.

>>15395038

>dulling the weapon faster

Doesn't that only apply when hitting portions of monsters that would cause a bounce normally?

>>15395026

>Element isn't inherently a part of the Phial though?

Element Phial is not the same thing as Element.

>>15395040

It does that too, just like Mind's Eye, but that's not all. Switch Axe's sword mode gets a special gimmick where every single time you attack, it consumes some sharpness, even if you don't hit anything at all. It's like shelling with a Gunlance, but it doesn't use up as much sharpness as that does.

>>15395064

I'm aware.

>>15395065

Huh, the guide doesn't mention SA Sword doing that at all, despite giving numbers for the sharpness decrease of Gunlance shelling (2 for Normal and Long, 3 for Wide, 10 for Dragon Cannon.)

>>15395081

>I'm aware.

No, evidently you're not, because we keep having this conversation about element phial SA not applying element phial when in axe mode.

>>15395085

I think we're miscommunicating here then, I've only been talking about the base element damage working while using Axe Mode, not the effect of the Element Phial.

>>15395093

Of course that applies in axe mode too, it's not a phial. How is that even a question?

>>15395107

Because >>15394894 said "Unless you have a power SA with special elemental capabilities, your elemental attacks will only work in sword mode", though he corrected himself later at >>15395017

>>15395065

You're probably confusing the phial draining while attacking with the sharpness decreasing.

>>15395361

its a GS set

>already bored with world

>only 30 large monsters

WHERE

ARE

THE

MONSTERS

CAPCOM???

>>15395412

In Freedom Unite, Portable 3rd, 3G, and 4U.

>>15394949

Get that cock out of your mouth anon. Update luma then update your firmware. If you're banned its because you've been using freeshop after they updated their server. Having CFW does not result in a ban.

>>15395477

>If you're banned its because you've been using freeshop after they updated their server.

So if I used FreeShop before the update but not after I'm good?

>>15395492

>Basically. Their update killed freeshop forever, so just nuke it and go back to downloading .cia files manually.

Fair enough. Still a shame, but better than it working retroactively, since I wouldn't be able to reacquire 4U easily.

>>15395492

I think you can load encrypted roms in citra now

You'll need to get a citra fork that has fmv ticks hack in it to play 4U though.

>>15395499

Do you have the git url for that fork? I'm using Arch so I have to build the package manually anyways; I'll have to modify the PKGBUILD script to pull from the right place.

>>15395482

Let me try to explain better

When Nintendo released the 11.8 update, they also updated their eshop in tandem. Now the 3ds sends a ticket when requesting a download and the eshop servers, used by freeshop, will check the ticket to verify whether the download is legitimate or not. Abstaining from updating did not make you immune to this. On a regular 11.7 3ds updating would be mandatory to use the servers. An 11.7 3ds with freeshop would still have access to these servers but nintendo would notice that the mandatory ticket for verification checks is missing and could possibly flag your 3ds. The 11.8 update killed freeshop for ALL firmwares on the 3ds. By abstaining from updating you have in effect done nothing to change your fate and just postpone it. A silver lining here is that it is postulated that there was about a week when the update went live that the servers weren't fully updated. This was a grace period where piracy was still possible.

tl;dr: Using freeshop after the update went live will ban you, not using freeshop on 11.8. You might already be banned, you might not. Roll the dice.

>>15395508

https://github.com/valentinvanelslande/citra/releases

You'll want to use a version below 440 because you can't browse the public game lobby using newer ones.

>>15395523

Thanks, I'll keep this bookmarked. Are you telling me that people here can actually hunt together using citra?

>>15395522

In that case I'm pretty certain I'm not banned, since I haven't downloaded anything off of FreeShop in a few months now. Thanks for the explanation Anon!

>>15395533

>>15395541

Does this work with 3G as well, or only the ones that already allowed you to do online play to begin with?

>>15395546

It could work with 3G but that runs like garbage so its not going to be playable right now

>>15395541

Christ shit really has caught up. Is it just the public game lobby that's broken in new versions? I can still join games directly by lobby ID, right? I'm building from master branch right now which is like 518.

>>15395554

>Is it just the public game lobby that's broken in new versions

Its just the fork itself. The guy who maintains it removed it himself for some reason.

>I can still join games directly by lobby ID, right

I guess you could but getting the IP address of a lobby is a pain in the ass.

>>15395553

Damn. Hopefully they fix that at some point.

>>15395595

I wouldn't get your hopes up. They've been trying to fix 3rd gen for fucking years with no success on either 3DS or WiiU emulators, which is a damn shame because 3U is the best single player MH game.

>>15395600

That's a shame. The Wii U version especially I'd like to be able to run on my PC because I don't like using the touch screen to turn on target cam.

>>15395738

Does Citra let you map inputs to defined areas on the touch screen? That would be a great way to do what MHW does and map a stick click to "select target monster".

>>15395764

>Does Citra let you map inputs to defined areas on the touch screen

You can do that with AHK

>>15395764

>stick click

I still want whoever thought up the idea of turning the sticks into "L3 and R3" to be shot. It's the most inane bullshit, and it's especially outrageous on the Dualshock 4 where they turned the Select button into a goddamn social media shit button that can't even be overridden by the devs into a real button.

>>15395779

You should see that shit on keyboard. You hit F to lock onto a monster, and if you move your mouse at all, the lock on starts bouncing between everything in the room.

>>15395081

>>15395185

Ah, sorry for the wrong information, after some testing I see that you're right. I remember once getting a message about losing sharpness while fucking around at base camp, I must be misremembering it.

>>15395361

Alchemy is fun.

>>15395779

>can't even be overridden by the devs into a real button

I've got a Dualshock 4 for my PC, it works fine as a select button for pretty much any PC game or emulated game I've played. The touch pad is kind of useful as a really crappy laptop trackpad style thing too. It always amazes me to remember how absolutely fucking awful these controllers are for their intended platform, what the hell was Sony thinking?

>>15395792

Jesus christ.

>>15395802

>Ah, sorry for the wrong information, after some testing I see that you're right. I remember once getting a message about losing sharpness while fucking around at base camp, I must be misremembering it.

That, or if it was in one of the (((localized))) versions it could just be a straight up lie. God knows it wouldn't be the first time, I think there's dialogue in the kosherized version of 4 that claims that red sharpness is the strongest.

>I've got a Dualshock 4 for my PC, it works fine as a select button for pretty much any PC game or emulated game I've played.

Should've specified I meant on the PS4 itself, sorry. Yeah, it works fine as a real button when used as a PC controller.

>>15395427

You mean sailing cosmetics?

Capcom has done that since 2010, I can see them selling an expansion or G rank which is what they did with the PSP games and others but not monster packages.

I'm playing through XX on the Switch, and god, there's so many early-game filler quests that you have to chug through to get to the good stuff. I'm glad the game has a lot of content, but do you really have to fight all of the various night identical alpha-raptors that have accumulated over the course of the series?

>>15395819

>You mean sailing cosmetics?

>Capcom has done that since 2010

All of the DLC, cosmetic or content, has been free. This is the first time they are selling it.

>I can see them selling an expansion or G rank which is what they did with the PSP games

Nope. Monster Hunter Portable was a standalone that never got an update, same as Portable 3rd. Portable 2nd got a rerelease, Portable 2nd G (which the US got as Freedom Unite,) but that was a standalone product that did not require the purchase of both Portable 2nd and 2nd G, only 2nd G. Likewise on the 3DS, 4G and XX both have all the content of 4 and X, and do not require the base game in any way shape or form.

>>15395837

>All of the DLC, cosmetic or content, has been free. This is the first time they are selling it.

When? I remember several cosmetic shit in Dragon Dogma, they also sold this shitty quest pack that just added fetch quests.

>They didn't sell G levels

>Here's several games they sold with no G levels, then several copies of that game which only difference is added G levels.

Really makes you think.

>>15395835

Capcom has nuts of steel, they may be functionally retarded but they do not give a fuck.

>Rush Dragon Dogma so they could put the RE6 demo on it

>DD sells better then RE6

>Resell the game with added DLC

>It still sales

>Take a brand new IP with huge following make the sequel a Japanese only P2W MMORPG, with none of the mechanics people enjoyed

>Bury the IP

>>15395884

>I remember several cosmetic shit in Dragon Dogma

Good thing this isn't Dragons Dogma general then is it?

>then several copies of that game which only difference is added G levels

This is the intellect of the average world shill

>>15395884

>When? I remember several cosmetic shit in Dragon Dogma, they also sold this shitty quest pack that just added fetch quests.

Oh you were talking Capcom as a whole? Fair enough, can't speak on most of their other franchises. World is the first time they've done it to Monster Hunter though.

>They didn't sell G levels

>Here's several games they sold with no G levels, then several copies of that game which only difference is added G levels.

>Really makes you think.

I didn't said they didn't sell it, I said it isn't sold as an expansion that requires you to buy the base game as well as the G. You need only buy the G version. There's no reason to buy the base game.

>Japanese only

This is what they should've kept Monster Hunter as, judging from World. Too bad they went full retard with DD and made it an MMO though.

>>15395910

>Oh you were talking Capcom as a whole? Fair enough, can't speak on most of their other franchises. World is the first time they've done it to Monster Hunter though.

I couldn't speak about the other MH, my experience playing them were always offline so I wouldn't know.

>There's no reason to buy the base game.

Well the new content.

>Too bad they went full retard with DD and made it an MMO though.

Agreed, only thing that gets me more upset then that is the idiots from reddit that were talking english in Global and surprised that GM's put two and two together got 4 and banned every english named character.

>>15395837

And that's better? That just means you have to either wait for the full game or get shafted and buy two games at full price.

The limitations of the time really didn't allow for much else but this is just as much kikery if not worse than just throwing G-rank as DLC.

Well that was garbage. Citra clearly isn't up to it at all, seeing as the audio is nothing but a choppy mess on either the origin citra repo or that special fork. How can people play this?

>>15395926

>Well the new content.

The base game doesn't have the new content. That's my point - you don't need to buy 4, just 4G. You don't need to buy Portable 2nd, just Portable 2nd G. There's no reason to buy the base game.

>>15395935

>And that's better? That just means you have to either wait for the full game or get shafted and buy two games at full price.

>The limitations of the time really didn't allow for much else but this is just as much kikery if not worse than just throwing G-rank as DLC.

It's kikery, but it's definitely far better than G Rank as DLC. DLC means you need to buy the base game and then pay for digital content, which they have much more control over the price of, as opposed to physical product in a brick and mortar. Further, as digital, it means the content is locked off the minute they decide to kill the servers off, no matter how much money you spent on it in the first place. Whereas I can go down to Super Potato and pick up any old '90s era game and play the entirety of it, modern games with entire portions of content locked to digital only are doomed to always be incomplete.

>>15395953

Whats your hardware?

If its 4U you're trying to play then you pretty much need to use the fmv ticks hack. Start up from 5000 and increase it until you get 100% speed.

>>15395935

>And that's better

Its certainly better than the alternative we are given now.

So is there any hope for Monster Hunter games post World to be as good as the previous entries?

>>15395954

>Further, as digital, it means the content is locked off the minute they decide to kill the servers off

Look at the state of it on PC right now. Even with the servers up you can't play it.

>>15396010

>You mean the exact same alternative.

Just stop posting. With every sentence you type its pretty obvious you haven't touched any Monster hunter game.

I didn't correct you because I assumed you were a faggot shit stirrer but since you insist on flaunting your ignorance here

>>15395909

>My point is Comcast has always sold cosmetics.

Not in any MH game which was an entirely different section of Crapcom.

>Where did I defend the game

You are defending it's paid cosmetics right now you hook nosed kike.

>>15395792

that sound fucking infuriating, atleast you can still change it to the OG camera style

>>15396048

I just don't use the faggot lockon because on KB and mouse you can have a your fingers on every control you need at once, so I can track with the camera while attacking or changing items.

>>15396049

>By knowing more about the series then you?

Coming from a guy who thinks G versions are nothing but g rank quests

>I'm stirring shit while you outright makes your up

Come on pajeet, you might be paid dimes on the hour but that is no excuse for such basic fuck ups.

>No has ever cared about paid cosmetics

Except the people who care in this very thread

Oh wait no one cares because you said so. Sure thing rabbi.

>its on disc DLC, shitty DLC expansion which barely add content for the price.

<oy vey stop caring about this jewish practice and start worrying about this other thing

>I get it your an edgy child

>you lack of maturity to think about things yourself so you copy paste others thoughts.

Oof I'll have to file a complaint to your handlers. This is getting bad.

>>15396026

It's not impossible that a World Ultimate will be released to capitalize on the sales success of the game, and that will (hopefully) add all of the content and challenge that we're all asking for.

>>15395954

That was me, I had a vpn on downloading a movie and forgot to turn it off

I totally agree with you on the digital side, but games now usually come with a complete edition, so I'm pretty sure they would still sell that physically, so essentially people could still buy that one and retain access to it.

Plus although they can shut it down, that will be way further down the line, but I do agree that it is an issue.

That being said you still lose less money, if you buy the base game you only need the expansion of around 30 bucks maximum, I doubt they can kike it up more than this, and new players will buy a full price edition containing the expansion.

>>15395954

>as digital, it means the content is locked off the minute they decide to kill the servers off

>modern games with entire portions of content locked to digital only are doomed to always be incomplete.

Just a reminder for anyone who doubts this; this kind of scenario has already happened to MH before. Tri's gathering hall and High Rank were locked to online only, and once they took the servers down, all of the hall quests, the town around it, all of high rank, and monsters like Deviljho all became impossible to access. In that case, mods can add some of the content back, since it was on-disk and not digital only. For digital only content, though, such a thing would be impossible to do legally.

>>15396070

again not once have I shilled or defended World.

I was pointing out you were wrong, you do this in every General.

You post bullshit start screaming about World when

NO ONE IS DISCUSSING IT

If anything you're the shill with how much you bring it up.

You're not providing anything to the thread or adding any discussion.

>>15396082

>again not once have I shilled or defended World.

Except you are literally damage controlling for paid cosmetics

>NO ONE IS DISCUSSING IT

Its literally the only monster hunter with paid cosmetics you smelly pajeet.

>You're not providing anything to the thread or adding any discussion.

Says the faggot bringing up dragons dogma in the thread

>>15396089

>Except you are literally damage controlling for paid cosmetics

No you posted saying to absolutely no one fearmongering about them selling G ranks.

[/spoiler]which they've always had[/spoiler]

>Its literally the only monster hunter with paid cosmetics you smelly pajeet.

No one cares.

>Says the faggot bringing up dragons dogma in the thread

Which I using as an example Capcom has always sold cosmetics then you back tracked.

Your posting and disingenuous arguing is Jew worthy, you sound like the same fag that was shitting up the Bannerlord thread.

>>15396112

>[/spoiler]…[/spoiler]

Ok now this is just insulting.

>>15396073

At this point I don't even consider World to be part of Monster Hunter. It's really much closer in all ways to Dragon's Dogma, both in engine and marketing. I imagine they would do something similar to Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen – which is to say something that's really worth $15-20 as DLC except requires you to buy the whole god damn game over again instead.

>>15396119

They could pull off a 3U and end up salvaging it.

>>15396119

How are they similar? DD has an open world with quests and somewhat interesting story. World is still a compilation of arenas you cant free climb the enemies like you could in DD either

>>15396116

Not an argument double nigger

Also I think I'm right your the dipshit who was bitching about no videos or info being released around bannerlord.

Did your ban finally were off?

>>15396112

>[/spoiler][/spoiler]

Now this is rich.

>>15396126

You're thinking of superficial things, I'm thinking of engine and technology things.

>>15396131

I made a typo, just like when I called Capcom Comcast earlier.

>>15396124

They would have to change the mechanics and design completely to salvage it, not just add more content. World with G rank is still World, lacking some content or challenge is only one of the many flaws with the game.

>>15396119

>both in engine and marketing.

Dragon Dogma got no marketing, Capcom had no confidence behind it which is why the rushed it and Slapped the RE6 demo on it.

>>15396130

>Did your ban finally were off?

Go finish your grade school education pajeet then we'll talk.

>>15396142

3G made massive changes to Tri so World being salvaged is not completely out of the picture.

>>15396153

>Go finish your grade school education pajeet then we'll talk.

Yeah you were the retarded faggot in the Bannerlord thread, that's rich.

The board is dying because of your shitposting newfaggots.

>>15396167

cheats are already out on PC

>>15396026

Our only hope really is that World 2 bombs as hard as Lords of Shadow 2 did, and that Capcom decides to go back and make Monster Hunter 5 like they did with Devil May Cry.

>>15396075

>games now usually come with a complete edition

Right. In the case of Monster Hunter, it's called the G edition and in the case of most games, it's just called the game itself

>That being said you still lose less money, if you buy the base game you only need the expansion of around 30 bucks maximum, I doubt they can kike it up more than this, and new players will buy a full price edition containing the expansion.

Pretty sure you still lose less money by just skipping the base game and buying the G version.

>>15396119

>At this point I don't even consider World to be part of Monster Hunter.

That's because it's MonHun in name only.

>>15396026

World is a novel experience for a lot of people right now and is extremely popular.

If you want to get capcom to make it better you need to talk to people who are new to the series and let them know that it’s easier and needs to be changed in order to live up to the previous games.

I have a streamer friend who grew up in Japan and has played almost every MH game and has 1000’s of hours clocked into the series. He said World was definitely easier, but he still thinks it can be improved and went into way more detail than what I’ve seen from the pastebin. It’s really sad when a fucking Twitch streamer gives a better critique of World than these threads.

These threads devolve into this loop:

>World is bad because casuals.

>You should try playing the old games

>”You play PC? Just emulate it. It’s easy.”

>”Emulation is a meme and doesn’t come with multiplayer?”

>”Oh well then just buy the underpowered tablets called “portable gaming consoles” to get it working with friends”

>proceed to whine about how much using a console sucks, Nintendo keeps giving me bullshit, blah blah blah.

> Doom gloom, World sucks the franchise is doomed.

>”Hey anon, you should try emulating.”

>>15396248

>>”Emulation is a meme and doesn’t come with multiplayer?”

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Hell emulation is the only way to play multiplayer with some MH games.

>>15396248

>he still thinks it can be improved and went into way more detail than what I’ve seen from the pastebin. It’s really sad when a fucking Twitch streamer gives a better critique of World than these threads.

Share these detailed observations then.

>”Emulation is a meme and doesn’t come with multiplayer?”

The fuck are you talking about? People have gotten PPSSPP multiplayer working just fine.

>>15396248

>”Emulation is a meme and doesn’t come with multiplayer?”

Does capcom even pay you?

>>15394873

For SA rather than the axe cobo, if you're using a power phial + element SA or elemental phial SA or a hitzone weak to that element, then use the discharge attack, because it hits 7 times in a short amount of time. The axe mode is for use when you can't use the sword. For IG, always use elemental IGs.

>>15396248

hey fagbody the pastebin points out the flaws, which tells them what to fix

But they're not gonna fix it, they don't want to fix it, it sold. That's what you're pretending to not fucking get. IT SOLD. THAT WAS THE POINT. They casualized it ON PURPOSE, to get the western casual audience. They don't WANT to fix it, they want that retard money. "buy world goy so you can tell people on world how their favorite game is shit and they need to complain to capcom" it doesn't fucking work, telling casual soycuck fanboys that enjoy world to stop being cucks just makes them sperg, it's over, we fucking lost, monster hunter going forward is going to be this shit. Stop defending world. Stop POSTING world. World should be expelled from these threads so we can continue enjoying real monster hunter, and notr have to see the thread continue to be degraded by casual shit eating faggots filling it full of bullshit about the rape-baby of the franchise that doesn't deserve to live.

>>15396389

>>players are less exploited if they buy a 60$ game and a 30-50$ "expansion"

Except with the old model players are only buying the 40$ "expansion"

>instead of waiting a while longer and buying one game for 60$ and free DLC

Lmao they are selling gestures and cosmetics. What makes you think G rank is going to be free.

>>15396370

>By your same logic people can still just wait for the complete edition, this is a null point.

That's what G is, if I'm understanding what you mean by "complete edition" correctly.

>My argument was that people who buy the base edition would be less exploited if G was sold as DLC

If this were a new IP, I could see where you're coming from here, but if you're honestly too stupid to realize that they're going to do this with a 15 year old series that has done this constantly and consistently to say nothing about it coming from Capcom, makers of a franchise defined by"Super Ultra Hyper HD Turbo Arcade Championship Edition" type crap then you're probably in line for a Darwin Award soon anyway.

>all you did was say "just wait for the full version", of course waiting for the full version is the best option financially, but that goes for every game.

Most games just have the full game on release though, none of this DLC bullshit paid or otherwise. But yes, in the case of MonHun, it absolutely is what anyone and everyone should be doing.

>>15396370

>I don't really get what you mean by your last point, do you mean that G is the only version that would matter and compare the G version to any other base game of other series? I can't really word it better but If so I would disagree, G is clearly an expansion to the original game.

If by my last point you mean the "just called the game itself" I mean that most games don't do this DLC crap and just release a full game initially. Either way though, saying G is just an expansion is a bit misleading since it sounds like it's an append disc that requires the base game or something when the G version is the entire base game PLUS the expanded content in one cart/disc. So yes, it IS the only version that matters generally, with a few exceptions like Dos where it's really a different game entirely with some different and unique mechanics at play.

>>15396410

That's what I'm saying. You'd wait a little longer and just buy the Grank version, instead of World's: buy the game, then buy the expac extra.

>>15396421

ah I thought you were implying the opposite

>>15394688

It only combines into a potion if you have blue mushrooms in your inventory, too. You can toggle auto-crafting in the menu if it's a bother as well. Personally I'm pretty okay with it.

>>15396430

>It only combines into a potion if you have blue mushrooms in your inventory, too

You're thinking of the poison cure item that also does HP healing. In World, Potion brewing doesn't require Blue Mushrooms, though Mega Potions still require Honey.

>>15396430

>It only combines into a potion if you have blue mushrooms in your inventory

Not in World

>>15396430

Nope it literally only needs herbs now. Combinations am I right? Combine an item with literally nothing to make a better item, this makes sense.

>>15396389

read my post again for fucks sake.

>>15396412

Yes but people can still wait for a full "complete" version just like they can still wait for the G version, hence why I called it a null point, because it changes nothing, all it does is make the people who have already paid for the base game pay less to adquire the rest of the content, instead of buying a full priced game again.

Also I'm going under the assumption that in the event of this possibility the expansion would be all of G-rank because I feel like it would be the closest to the old format, I have thought of the worst though.

G-rank Season Pass where they release G1 , G2, G3 and later ranks all separate and on separate dates, welcome to hell

>fighting games

That genre exists on a different kikery level at this point, it's such a bad time to get into them it's insane, unless you just stick with the old ones but unless you go to fightcade good luck finding other people to play with.

>Most games just have the full game on release though, none of this DLC bullshit paid or otherwise.

I wish I lived in the same made-up land you do because it sounds like a great place but I can't think of a single one that has come out in recent time that doesn't have DLC or some sort of expansion.

>>15396543

>Yes but people can still wait for a full "complete" version just like they can still wait for the G version

I feel like I'm missing something key here. What do you mean by a "complete" version, and how is it different from G versions of the games?

>I wish I lived in the same made-up land you do because it sounds like a great place but I can't think of a single one that has come out in recent time that doesn't have DLC or some sort of expansion.

On closer examination, it turns out I'm wrong to say there's absolutely no DLC shit, since even SRW and Sekaiju no Meikyuu have started putting that crap in and I just didn't notice because none of it is meaningful content and the games are still just as big as they always have been. So, my bad. That said, it's so meaningless to the game I didn't even realize it existed until I went out of my way to look for it, but that doesn't make it any less cancerous a practice that ought to be discouraged as heavily as possible.

>>15396598

If you're still starting out by all means experiment with every weapon type that catches your fancy.

>>15396617

Loli in black is the original Nekojo's sister, hangs out in the G Rank tavern. If you pay her she changes the BGM to old Gathering Hall BGMs.

>>15396628

time to look her up on gelbooru

>>15396584

Complete version as in the case of "editions" like "Anniversary edition" and "Specia Edition" in the case of the DMC franchise.

Some games even just call it "Complete Edition" by default.

I don't mind expansions so long as they don't feel like the original game is dependent on them.

Which is another issue world has, but then again, so did Tri.

>>15396598

Try every weapon. The only blademaster weapons I never use are S&S and dual blades, and that's just personal preference, they're also fine. You're playing GS wrong though, upswing doesn't hit higher than the regular charge, and spin is useless except for 4u's charged spin combo finisher

This is how it's done.

>>15396167

All you have to do is download a cheat that gives you a 00:01 second quest that rewards 500,000,000 HR points.

>>15396678

>Try every weapon.

Cool, I just wanted to know if it'd be worth grinding out more weapons mid-game or if I should wait till I move on to the next title to make the switch.

>You're playing GS wrong though, upswing doesn't hit higher than the regular charge

Maybe it's placebo but the upswing seems to hit tails and wings more reliably. Perhaps because the highest point is at the end of the animation instead of the middle.

>spin is useless except for 4u's charged spin combo finisher

I just use it for when i've fucked my positioning. If I know I don't have time to re-angle then I can just sweep and hit some limbs. But I can see why someone proficient wouldn't do that.

>>15396598

>triple charge when monster is downed

You're using it wrong. Charge attack is your bread and butter, everything else is a noob trap.

>>15396925

>Charge attack is your bread and butter, everything else is a noob trap.

Works fine on really slow bastards like Barroth or Duramboros but anything that moves rapidly I can only seem to get one hit in before I have to move back. Sometimes I get lucky if I'm hanging around near a tail and a monster spins so I get a triple charge on it's head, stuff like that. But generally I have no luck because you have to discharge on the third charge and can't hold it. The hammer charge seems OP in comparison considering you can hold it and move somewhat freely.

>>15397007

>Works fine on really slow bastards like Barroth or Duramboros but anything that moves rapidly I can only seem to get one hit in before I have to move back.

That's because you started charting too late. You have not yet learned the art of the GS gotcha. Start charging up where the monster is going to be, not where the monster currently is.

>>15397007

>Sometimes I get lucky if I'm hanging around near a tail and a monster spins so I get a triple charge on it's head

Well you need to get "lucky"read the monster more.

>The hammer charge seems OP in comparison considering you can hold it and move somewhat freely.

Thats another noob trap. You only use hammer charge when you have nothing else to do, want to use the uppercut or if you want to get through some low wind pressure.

Both hammer and GS require a degree of prediction and knowledge about the monster's moveset.

If you are still interested in these weapons then I suggest looking at a Time Attack with GS/Hammer on a monster you are having trouble with and see what that player does differently.

>>15393621

>mh to play chart.png

its something, also thanks for the considerate response.

>>15397018

>>15397035

Thanks for the advice. So far my shitty playstyle has yet to impede progress but i'm gonna try and learn some movesets so I can better predict.

>>15396435

>>15396448

>>15396502

It's fair enough honestly. You can't use herbs to heal anymore anyways. It's something that I'm indifferent about because even with lots of normal potions and mega potions fights would still be brutal in older games. Out of all of the things MHW did I think this is one of the least offensive things.

>>15396598

GS has the lowest skill floor in that you can play it like a hit and run weapon with draw attacks and still win, but the highest skill ceiling in that perfect play requires prediction of monsters combined with charge sniping. You'll learn prediction naturally, the first time you fight something with GS just draw snipe, constantly get in, draw attack, get out and you'll learn the openings and how to exploit them better as you go.

It's also the absolute easiest to build a set for, because of the holy trinity of GS skills - Focus and Crit Draw are such a massive damage boost especially combined that GS is balanced for them, and Quick Sheathe is extremely useful. There's a mixed skill they introduce in 4th gen that combines QS and Punish Draw, which lets you get KOs by headsniping (kinda useless, mostly just for fun) but I've seen some incredible players KO 140 teostra with GS 2-3 times in a fight.

However, hammer also requires timing. The thing to remember with hammer is that level 2 charges are actually NOT your bread and butter, the most important move to master with hammer is the level 1 charge rush attack, because of it's movement utility and how good it is at headshots. It also does good damage and very high KO.

>>15396668

>Complete version as in the case of "editions" like "Anniversary edition" and "Specia Edition" in the case of the DMC franchise.

I'd thought that was just a fancy branding for a rerelease on new hardware, but then I haven't played DMC. Can't say I've seen it in games I play though, only things that sound similar from what I do play would be G editions of MonHun.

>>15397346

>You can't use herbs to heal anymore anyways.

Seriously? I mean, it wouldn't be worth using them to heal since it'd just be 20 instead of the now free upgrade to 30, but… huh.

>>15397414

Herbs are materials now, yeah. I honestly don't mind it. The maps are a little bizarre at times and I think that leads to scoutflies almost being a necessity because of how mazelike some of them can be; sometimes you don't really know how to go up higher when a monster is up higher because there are just so many damn paths. This was at least a problem for me in parts of the Ancient Forest.

I don't like how healing works now; it's not just a quick animation but you heal slowly over time throughout a long drinking animation. It sounds like it'd be a pain to manage because if you get hit, that slow healing stops where it is and you still use up the potions, but you can sprint while healing now. There's really not that much trouble in getting all of that healing in when you can just sprint around every attack in the game, and then it just kind of leads you to spending a good five seconds healing with not much risk as opposed to having risk and being done healing in a couple seconds.

I will say that I love the new moves the weapons got and I think if the game didn't have the flaws it had and had the combat it does, it could be one of the best Monhuns yet. Again there's definitely something here, they just need to polish it up.

>>15397501

>The maps are a little bizarre at times and I think that leads to scoutflies almost being a necessity because of how mazelike some of them can be; sometimes you don't really know how to go up higher when a monster is up higher because there are just so many damn paths. This was at least a problem for me in parts of the Ancient Forest.

That just means they're shittily designed maps though.

>I don't like how healing works now; it's not just a quick animation but you heal slowly over time throughout a long drinking animation. It sounds like it'd be a pain to manage because if you get hit, that slow healing stops where it is and you still use up the potions, but you can sprint while healing now. There's really not that much trouble in getting all of that healing in when you can just sprint around every attack in the game, and then it just kind of leads you to spending a good five seconds healing with not much risk as opposed to having risk and being done healing in a couple seconds.

Doesn't even matter either, just to be spiteful I refused to move while using potions and I never had trouble finding an opening to do so the few times I needed to heal. People who say it's a necessity because the monsters are supposedly more aggressive or faster have clearly not played World.

>>15397535

>more aggressive or faster have clearly not played World.

Except everyone else says its not. Why don't you prove that they're slower.

Is Adept style meant to be the most broken? Is it meant to give you perfect i-frame dodges literally for free, while not removing any important moves as a trade-off?

>>15397580

It's actually the shittiest because all of those perfect dodge abuses end up hammering your DPS from all the downtime. Regular rolls and slides are far better. What you want is to just carry around the two perfect dodge arts and use those in tight spots.

Now Brave on the other hand, that one actually is broken.

>>15397580

No that's just how double cross works. But really, adept is only broken for normal play because it makes you FUCKING INVINCIBLE, it's not actually that good offensively because of the retard run you have to perform out of the adept dodge, in addition to the fact that the dodge itself takes about 3 times as long as a normal roll. It also does take away important moves from quite a lot of weapons, but not all of them. However adept dbs is basically a guaranteed win against any monster since all you need to do is build up archdemon mode once and then mash dodge. It's not the fastest method in the game but it is absolutely broken since you attack during the adept animation and then get three controllable demon dashes with innate ev+3 in them. Of course since basically the entirety of cross is broken it hardly means anything that you can win any battle by mashing one button for practically the entire quest.

>>15397594

To add on to that, regular Diablos doesn't even have the attack where he jumps forward out of the ground in world. It's given to the Black Diablos. Who is even slower than regular Diablos.

>>15397594

Those aren't the same moves.

The diablos have two moves one where he attacks directly from the ground another where he pop ups directly from the below.

The second one is diablos hip check the other one is him charging.

Your comparing different moves and getting mad I'm disproving it, which I've done every time its posted.

>>15397594

Is there a version of that webm where it's comparing a non-rage Diablos and another non-raged Diablos? Because comparing un-raged to enranged is pretty fucking duplicitous.

>>15397610

Then prove it, and do it with the actual moves, amazing how faggots will make up shit.

>>15397616

Going to (30) again?

>>15397618

>He's right better bring up posts numbers.

5e4391 has nearly 30 and all he's been doing is lying or shitting on the game.

But that's great because he agrees with you.

>>15397615

Also, monsters don't become any faster during an enrage in world, there's just less downtime between different moves.

>>15397625

Really? Do you have any comparison footage? That sounds like the most retarded possible decision they could have made.

what

>>15397635

I didn't even see the frontier logo in the corner and I new it was frontier,

>>15397628

I don't have a webm, but just look up some Diablos gameplay, doesn't matter if it's low or high rank because the moveset and speed doesn't change.

>>15397635

It looks like a really unsatisfying anime version of the Hammer.

>>15397628

Oh, and you can tell when it enrages by the literal healthbar speeding up and flashing.

>>15397635

Frontier still releasing stuff even more retarded and broken than dubble cross? What a surprise.

>>15397641

It's basically switch-hammer with a grapple function for when you're too fucking tarded to even walk up to monster or walk away from it before it hits you. Every time I remember that frontier exists I feel a little bit less upset about world existing.

I keep hearing XX/GENu is broken and retarded, but it seems far more balanced and difficult than World or 4U.

>>15397656

World doesn't fucking count in any of these considerations because it's not an MH game, so that's right out. MHXX is harder than 4U though, if only because they decided to make Hyper monsters have fucking insane amounts of health, and the deviants are buffed to out the ass on attack damage too.

3U was the most balanced single player MH game. 4U was the most balanced multi player MH game. XX is fine but gets retarded at the corners.

So is there a weapon that every time you see someone play you kick-block out of your room immediately?

>>15397545

Because the burden of proof is on the person making the more unbelievable claim.

>>15397594

The part that no one seems to get (or purposefully misses) is that World Diablos takes fucking forever to climb out of the goddamn hole, which is just begging for free hits, as opposed to classic Diablos who just popped out ready to fuck your shit up more.

>>15397656

>far more balanced and difficult than World

It is, but that's not saying much.

>>15397731

Not a weapon, but if I see Kraut or Italian in the text chat, ding dong bannu. nobody plays World on PC except the Krauts and Italians

>>15397736

Just turn on the language filter.

>>15397740

I do that, bigger problem is the fact that the lobbies on PC barely work, so you have to end up relying on SOS flares to get multiplayer hunts, and all I get is Krauts and Italians.

>>15397747

Ah, the language filter doesn't work on the flare things? Never bothered with the multiplayer because fuck paying for their subscription shit, so wasn't aware of that. That's rather unfortunate.

>>15397732

>Because the burden of proof is on the person making the more unbelievable claim.

Well the video shown had comparisons too different moves.

So I'm not going to trust some anons

>>15397760

While understandable, I don't have the tools or knowledge to get into video capture/making, so I can't bring evidence to the table myself. Anyone with the skills should, by all means, because I can tell you from personal experience that even un-raged at Low Rank, classic Diablos was much faster and aggressive than his World counterpart.

>>15393241

Monster Hunter World is a great game the problem with World is its more like Dragon's Dogma than Monster Hunter. Fucking fantastic action RPG but as a MH its a bit shit. If that makes any sense. Basically play MHW if you want a new RPG to play. I hope Capcom keep making old school MH for portables and World games for other systems as I personally love both styles. I play World to chill when the other games hand me my ass.

>>15397785

Cool, I will nevet play World then if you say it's not a Monster Hunter game.

>>15397785

>Monster Hunter World is a great game the problem with World is its more like Dragon's Dogma than Monster Hunter.

Which is exactly the problem, considering that World is outright replacing Monster Hunter from the looks of things.

>>15397811

Lets hope Mark buys enough copies of MHGU to make Capcom consider doing more old school ones as well.

>>15397811

>>15397836

Honestly the biggest thing I see stopping more traditional MH games isn't MHW's success. It's the Switch's failure. If Capcom wants more good old school handheld MH games they have no other alternative. The 3DS died of old age on top of a throne of games, the Vita was stillborn, and the Switch is the incestuous lovechild of the WiiU.

Where are they going to put a good solid traditional MH game now?

>>15397836

More like we need to hope that World pulls a Lords of Shadow, where the first title does record numbers due purely to advertising and shilling, and then the sequels bomb because the core fans hated it and the new audience that made it a record weren't actually interested in it and just bought whatever the Hot New Thing was.

>>15397851

I'd say PC, but the japs don't into computers.

>>15397851

>If Capcom wants more good old school handheld MH games they have no other alternative.

Except there's no reason they need to be on a handheld though I do prefer it because it means I can play on the train and the Switch is a TV console anyway.

>The 3DS died of old age on top of a throne of games

It's still barely alive, with Sekaiju no Meikyuu X last month and PQ2 in November, but yeah, it's on it's last legs.

>the Vita was stillborn

Only in the West, back home it outdid everything that wasn't the 3DS.

>>15396248

Anon you are completely right on everything you said and deserve much better than this general filled with shitheads endlessly repeating the same shit.

But Idk where else to go if I want to talk about MH.

I'm definitely not going to reddit mind you.

>>15397924

Yes, Monster hunter world is a great game, we should buy some copies and play!

>>15397924

I'm still waiting on >>15396248 to say just what those detailed observations are.

>>15397594

You're a fucking retard, stop comparing unenraged low rank monsters to enraged g rank monsters. All you're doing is shooting your own argument in the foot and making World shills look better.

>>15396248

This is just because shills (or more likely IRC cliques that know that MH threads are easy as fuck to bait) come in with (1) and done posts, get a handful of genuine responses and a fistful of bait-baiting replies, they both get off to all the (you)s going around and any actual discussion about world or real monster hunter games gets completely drowned out. It's like the '08 GFC but in thread form, economy is propping itself up on itself and not any actual substance to the detriment of basically everybody involved. The only thing you can do is avoid getting pulled into the same meandering arguments that are always used when (you) baiting, because they're not exactly hard to spot.

>>15397924

>>15397932

>I won't go to reddit even though everyone else with my shit taste is there

Try cuckchan then

Either way leave

>>15398056

I was being facetious you dingus

>>15390871

>translation patch

>people with homebrew 3ds

See the disconnect?

>>15393408

Ffs Anon Assault Horizon flopped, what a bad comparison. MHW sold over 8 million fucking copies and outstripped RE5 in a single fucking year.

>>15398416

>translation patch

>people with homebrew 3ds

There isn't one at all - if anything, the homebrew 3DS probably makes it easier if not outright possible at all to run the translation patch.

>MHW sold over 8 million fucking copies

And here's the real problem - because of this shit, the devs won't even realize they've made a terrible mistake in all likelihood.

>>15397635

I know there's all kinds of autism around the silliness of stuff like the Switch Axe and Charge Blade, but at least those things have a certain logic to them.. But this shit? A magnetically powered bladed semi-circle that transforms into a hammer/axe which can shoot bursts of electricity and propel the hunter around. Fucking hell, Frontier devs, the Tonfas were dumb enough.

>>15398562

>Its a really fun game.

At the risk of sounding confrontational, could you explain what about it you find to be fun? You seem to agree that as a Monster Hunter it falls flat, so I'm curious where the fun comes in, and to see if I can experience it for myself, because I've spent something like 200 hours on the game and not enjoyed a bit of it.

>>15398562

>I'm called a retarded subhuman and shown the door

>instead of leaving to somewhere that will welcome me for the faggot I am I will scream, cry and force my faggotry on everyone here

Stop acting like a furfag

Just because we tolerated you redditors for GG back in the day doesn't mean you're actually welcome here. People with shit taste should be treated like the garbage they are

>>15399574

>It's Labor Day, lets hunt some shit.

Sur-

>MHW, PC.

Well, good luck at having fun.

When is Jho coming to PC? When is G rank coming at all? When is Capcom going to stop sucking?

>>15396248

Okay anon, I'll repeat my dead horse proposition for you.

World's technology interests me. However the game design of World is way too casualized and ruins the moments that make Monster Hunter. I have a few ideas with repurposing World's technology on Nintendo Switch? Why Switch? Because Switch is the hot new handheld and most MonHun games were designed with hand held play in mind.

1) Get rid of glowflies, infinite item box, and grappling hook. We're going with mostly old school Monster Hunter philosophy. Half of the hunt is preparation and studying your quarry.

2) Art style change because while Switch hardware sucks it's hard to distinguish collectables without glow flies due to uncanney valley shit art. I'd imagine the game would look more like a rough painting where each collectable has it's own distinct color and shape in the environment. Exceptions are bone piles, ore nodes, and fishing holes.

3) With the lack of loading screens means you will be relying on "hiding spots" to heal and sharpen weapons early on. To successfully hide in a hiding spot the monster must lose track of your sight, sound, and smell. This means smoke bombs will be your new best friends because they mask all three.

4) While the game will go back to the old hunting hall quest model have it to where you can "chain quests" from the same region and rank. Also give a nice zenny bonus for successful completed chains in a row. If you retire in the middle of a chain then you can pick up the completed quest rewards. Downside is abandoning every quest now means you forfeit your quest fee, but still keep your unused items. Hunting ground resets between quest.

5) Make smaller hunting grounds and refine the monster AI. The hunting ground I proposed is another remake of Forest and Hills except this time no loading screens. The Forest and Hills is exactly the same size it's always been. It will only feel bigger because now you can explore almost everywhere. There will be paths that you now have to walk betwern zones, but they will be where you can pick up collectables or kill small monsters. There will also be added shortcuts in the form of underground Velociprey tunnels or dead trees you can knock over to get from one corner of the map to the other. You can also climb almost any tree and jump on the fishing hole or river as a hiding spot. Also any areas that would simply be too much empty space for a path will become a new hunting zone. One idea I have for a new hunting zone is a ruin by the hill deep in the forest that has a dragonator for when a young Fatalis decides to move in. And yes the hunting ground would be redesigned mechanically so Fatalis can roam Forest and hills as one whole area.

>>15399684

So what's the problem with the explanation in https://pastebin.com/2L9aDjPd ?

>>15399795

>I don't get why you guys have to be so perpetually butthurt and hostile about world when you can just shrug it off and enjoy the vidya you like.

The rage primarily comes from the fact that it's all but guaranteed that we're not getting the Monster Hunter games we want ever again, and have nothing good to look forward to from the franchise any more.

>>15399804

That actually fucking sucks. 4u is my favorite MH game.

I knew a game like that was too good to happen a second time.

I just hope they actually go with world being a spinoff approach but with its success I'm not even sure thats likely to happen.

I'm just glad that I'm able to enjoy the game.

>World apologists

Nice, good to know this thread is basically reddit now. Left this general during the shitshow that were these fucks spam their dickord and now they're back.

>>15399811

>I just hope they actually go with world being a spinoff approach

They said right away in the first interview that it was designed and intended as Monster Hunter 5, and the "World" title was primarily to represent that they were aiming at the foreigners with it. Assuming World 2 doesn't pull a Lords of Shadow 2, World is replacing Monster Hunter wholesale.

>>15399817

They're a vocal minority and easy enough to ignore.

>>15399672

>Because Switch is the hot new handheld and most MonHun games were designed with hand held play in mind.

Handheld play has always been something holding the series back. Capcom's massive incompetence regarding the PC release is shameful, but that doesn't mean we should go back to handhelds; you'd be imposing the restrictions from poor hardware and a cramped screen again, as well as a lack of good controllers. MH on PC is far better than on any handheld, emulating the PSP and 3DS games is proof of that.

>Half of the hunt is preparation and studying your quarry.

Preparation has never been a major hassle, at least not in the MH games I've played - maybe it mattered more in 1st gen and Dos, I've got no experience with them. I feel like people here overstate how much thought or effort it is. If it's a hot area, bring cold drinks; if it's a cold area, bring hot drinks. If you know the monster has a status effect, grab whatever item counters that; if you don't know, the item box will probably have a few of them. Bring some potions and whetstones, and don't forget to eat. That's basically all the prep work you need to do up until very late game, 4 quick things, 2 of which are situational and only matter for certain areas or monsters. It's only a few minutes of effort in a game without item sets and probably only around a minute in the games with them, it's nowhere near "half of the hunt". World removed the need for all of this though, since it has the item box at base camps, which was a huge mistake. Fuck having infinitely restockable potions, and fuck being able to go back and grab whatever items you need, part of the fun of fighting a new monster is realizing it has a status effect and you've only got the ~2 cures the item box at the start gave you (if it even gave you any) and now you're forced to try figuring out what attacks apply that effect and how to avoid them while having limited resources to treat it when you inevitably fuck up.

"Studying" the monster is just learning how to fight it, and that's always been important. That's the majority of the hunt's effort, probably second only to the actual application of what you're learning.

>I'd imagine the game would look more like a rough painting where each collectable has it's own distinct color and shape in the environment.

P3rd did it best, of the games I've played. It had ore veins pretty clearly visible and easy to notice, but they didn't clash with their surroundings since instead of being brightly colored boulders they were cracks in cave walls, usually with a few loose pieces of rubble nearby. It meshed well with the environment, while still being easily noticeable. Mushrooms were simply piles of mushrooms growing on logs and stuff like that, they didn't need to be brightly colored like in later games, if you saw mushrooms you knew you could gather them. The only things that were brightly colored were plants, which had bright berries or flowers growing on them so that they'd stand out from all the generic foliage, because there really isn't any other way to make them be clearly distinct from the bushes and shrubs you can't interact with. Going back to that older art style would be my ideal, the games since P3rd have had too much bright shit that clashes with its surroundings and looks too artificial and unnatural.

>young Fatalis

I'd like to see more young dragons. So far, we've only got Gore Magala. Add a few more young versions of existing EDs, possibly being unique and distinct from their "Elder" forms in the same kind of way Gore is different than Shagaru or Basarios is different than Gravios, and a few new unique monsters, and they could add something like a "Juvenile Dragon" or "Lesser Dragon" category for monsters related to or similar to EDs but not fully grown or not quite destructive enough to earn the "Elder Dragon" title. They could possibly move Kirin down to this too, since he doesn't seem to have quite as much destructive potential as most of the other EDs.

>>15399835

>Handheld play has always been something holding the series back

If handheld "held the series back" from turning into World, I'm 100% on board with holding it back forever. Either way, I'd prefer it were on a handheld instead of the PC or TV consoles like the Switch and PS4, but that's just because I have a lot of long commutes.

>>15399672

I really don't think you need an art change to make gathering points visible in World. They're visible enough. I know a mushroom or an herb or an ore rock when I see one, no assistance required. World's problem is the stupid fucking "tracking" mechanic. Footprints are NOT easy to see at all until those faggot green flies light them up. I think the tracking mechanic needs to be totally scrapped in future titles. Let it die like underwater hunts and custom bowguns. When that goes, the flies can go too, and nothing else in the game will suffer for it.

At laziest I would have them replace the flies with a paintball that you had to hit the monster with first, after which time you could see a faint paint trail leading to the monster, and they show up on the map too. I also wouldn't mind a proper overlay map too. The minimap is trash.

>>15399672

Qualifier: I am going to take the liberty to ignore the concept of this being related to a theoretical switch port and instead presume to talk about how to hypothetically fix MHW in general. Haven't had played MHW, I am basing this merely on what I've recently played of the original PS2 game in the last few days and on what others have told be on this board about the game. So by all means, my opinion is retarded.

> grappling hook

I assume the issue with Grappling Hook is that it allows you to pull yourself towards the monster? If it's just for traversing a more relatively vertical environment, wouldn't that be an interesting new mechanic?

>glow-flies

I assume these are essentially quested markers? Could they be turned into a rare expensive resource that needs to be farmed? One that could be hypothetically given to a new player as a supply item for the early missions? ( this solution also presumes, auto-farming would be removed )

>open world

This is a missed opportunity to actually incorporate more realistic hunting simulation into the game. What I mean to say that instead of just wandering they could have introduced real-world tracking techniques into the gameplay like following a blood trail after you inflicted a critical wound, or having to mask your sent, and camouflage with the proper preparation.

>"chain quests"

sounds like a good idea, at least on paper.

>Make smaller hunting grounds

no comment

>>15399943

>I assume these are essentially quested markers?

They basically are a glowing trail that tell you which way to go to get to the monster.

>Could they be turned into a rare expensive resource that needs to be farmed? One that could be hypothetically given to a new player as a supply item for the early missions?

We kinda already had them "as an item" with Psychoserums in older games, though those just put the monster on the map for a few seconds rather than tell you exactly what way to go. The trick then would be balancing how long the effect lasts I suppose.

>This is a missed opportunity to actually incorporate more realistic hunting simulation into the game. What I mean to say that instead of just wandering they could have introduced real-world tracking techniques into the gameplay like following a blood trail after you inflicted a critical wound, or having to mask your sent, and camouflage with the proper preparation.

Like with World itself, at that point I'd say it should be an entirely separate IP, or at least a spinoff series ala Frontier just minus the shittiness because it's too far removed from what Monster Hunter is.

>>15399943

the grappling hook is kinda retarded, it would be a nice if it did what you expected a grappling hook to do, like grappling to the terrain/monsters/etc. But it is really situational, you can only use the hook on certain spots with special beetles and re-mounting a monster once if you have the stamina to do it, but besides that it isn't more than a tiny gimmick

>>15399955

I assume its similar to the demon hand Toukiden 2?

>>15399949

>Psychoserums

>balancing how long the effect lasts

Yeah, there is also a paintball. the glowflies could act just as they do, but be a temporary item that lasts a short time and need to be farmed with bug nets from rare spawns. It would be a more expensive alternative to a paintball but then also given to new players as a supply item in the early quest to get them familiar with the value of the resource.

>>15399949

>Frontier

Wasn't this critically panned by fans? Do you think the hardcore Japanese fans of MH would allow Capcom to continue down the route of MHW's without reintroducing the complexity? Or does everyone assume the new casual wester Audience will offset the OG Japanese fans? The franchise is very big in Japan, so they could lose alot of consumer faith back home if it's truly as bad as anons here suggest.

>>15399976

>I assume its similar to the demon hand Toukiden 2?

I can't say because i never touched that game, but it is a mechanic that you don't need and rarely ever use aside from reaching some ledges kinda faster. Also i forgot to mention that the grappling hook replaced the animation for the jump climbing in 4u, it's the same thing but personally i think is kinda cool

>>15399995

Oh so its nothing like the demon hand

>>15399976

>Do you think the hardcore Japanese fans of MH would allow Capcom to continue down the route of MHW's without reintroducing the complexity?

It's hard to say because there's so many factors at play. In sheer numbers, World sold amazingly well for a TV console game in Japan, but rather poorly for a non-G Monster Hunter title. Sales seem to have dropped off somewhere around the 2 million mark at the moment for the PS4, though I haven't been able to find any numbers regarding the PC version that are specific to Japan, just worldwide numbers. As for how the public is reacting, that can be hard to get at due to how polite and reserved Japanese tend to be with their opinions compared to Westerners, but Amazon reviews are about 60% 4 and 5 star with the remaining 40ish% 3 or less. From anecdotal experience though, every person I've spoken to who's played World, whether they liked it or not, has described it as a "nurugee", which basically means "piss easy game." I'm inclined to think the fans recognize it as a joke in terms of difficulty, but what that means for sales of World 2 is still up in the air obviously. Sales do seem to be dropping off though considering they're already resorting to a "Best Price" reprint to try to boost sales.

>Or does everyone assume the new casual wester Audience will offset the OG Japanese fans?

Capcom definitely is banking on that.

>The franchise is very big in Japan, so they could lose alot of consumer faith back home if it's truly as bad as anons here suggest.

I'd say it's safe to say that they've definitely lost the faith of the core MonHun crowd, and obviously World by definition loses out on the handheld crowd which is huge in Japan - not only do you have people playing on long train commutes to/from work/school, but people will often hang out in coffee shops or parks and just play together. Capcom even holds MonHun cafe events for them to make money off of people looking for a place to hunt with others. They'll probably still get the people who buy MonHun for the social aspect (I know a few people who don't enjoy World at all but play it simply because their friends do) and the PS4/PC gamers desperate for something to play though. All that said, Capcom's top has rarely seemed to care about consumer faith, sadly, so that's pretty much a moot point anyway.

>>15400026

Yes, but what I am saying is could this critique that it's "nurugee" be heard around the metaphorical water cooler at Capcom. This resulting in them refining the formula with a hypothetical MHW2 to be more alien with a traditional fanbase. The first game could be considered foundational and increasing the complexity and difficulty in future iterations may be the corse the franchise takes. While its currently certainly the trend to dumb things down for a wider audience, it's not beyond the realm of possibilities that they instead buck this trend and use this as an opportunity to gradually acclimatize the new audience to a more sophisticated experience. This hypothetical being largely is driven by the Japanese core and Capcom fundamentally being healthily chauvinistic enough to put their own peoples, the loyal core audience, sentiments first. After all, Capcom finally is going back to form with MegaMan II and Devil May Cry. The area of them being out of touch with consumer demands might be starting to self-correct.

>>15400020

If only, that looks sick as fuck.

>>15400052

>Yes, but what I am saying is could this critique that it's "nurugee" be heard around the metaphorical water cooler at Capcom.

Possibly. I can't speak for what people around the country are saying, just where I live.

>This hypothetical being largely is driven by the Japanese core and Capcom fundamentally being healthily chauvinistic enough to put their own peoples, the loyal core audience, sentiments first.

Highly unlikely. The very worrying trend among Japanese game companies these days is to sell out their own audience to try and get the West, hence why things like Monster Hunter World, Donte Must Cry, Lords of Shadow, and New Gundam Breaker keep happening, or why Sony considered the Vita a flop despite it easily outdoing everything that wasn't the 3DS back home and even now still getting a steady stream of games, with many PS4 games just being upsized Vita ports. There's an almost cultish mindset among at least the larger companies that don't live project to project to try and Westernize, and it's fucking awful.

>After all, Capcom finally is going back to form with MegaMan II and Devil May Cry.

With DMC it's only because Donte flopped. Rockman 11 might just be because it's an anniversary thing (albeit by now a year late) and whether the game itself is a proper Rockman title remains to be seen.

>>15399835

>cramped screen.

It might not be 4k but 720p is hell of a lot more real estate to work with than the 3DS top screen. Switch hardware is merely the bare minimun needed to make a good polished Monster Hunter game with World's tech. I still like portable Monster Hunter but that's just me.

The stylized artwork is a matter of taste and functionality. I like the style of the rough paintings of promotional art work more than it has to be real 3D graphics.

>>15399841

Should somebody tell him the Switch is actually a handheld you dock to play on the TV? :^) In all honesty Switch out of the big 3 is the most LAN friendly system on the market outside of PC. If it wasn't for the low battery life it could work. For now Switch is limited to one quest LAN party hunts undocked.

>>15399943

Grappling hook has to go. If you want more vertical traversal then integrate it into the environment. Make it trees, vines, or ropes of past climbers who left ot there or ropes of destroyed bridges. Swing from ropes. Integrate short cuts in the levels themselves and let players use their brain to figure out how to use them.

Another possibility is do you cut the rope on a rope bridge to make it a vertical shortcut or keep it as a vantage point to leap onto monsters with aerial attacks? At least until the monster breaks the bridge for you.

Smaller hunting grounds and good artwork will make glow flies obsolete. As players travel the smaller hunting grounds they become more familiar with landmarks. Blood and paint would be an excellent way to track monsters. With the right skills trails show up on map.

But that's not all monsters leave behind. Monsters poop and mark their territory. So fresh dung means you're on the right track. Also I'll leave it to your imaginations on what do when you catch a monster taking a dump with a gunlance.

>>15400052

Mega Man 2 and DMC came out a long fucking time ago.

>>15400103

>Should somebody tell him the Switch is actually a handheld you dock to play on the TV?

It's too bulky and lacking in battery to be a handheld, to say nothing of the sheer madness that is detachable controllers. It can technically be played without a TV, like the Wii U before it, but it has few if any of the benefits of a handheld, which is why the Japanese treat it as a home console.

>>15400097

DMC5 looks great

>>15400144 (checked)

>implying you actually play handhelds in public and it is not just something comfy from when sitting in bed or on the toilet

>implying you have never seen a game gear

the switch is my favorite handheld

>>15400274

>implying you actually play handhelds in public and it is not just something comfy from when sitting in bed or on the toilet

When your company makes you waste 2-3 hours a day on train rides? You better believe I'm on my 3DS and Vita.

>implying you have never seen a game gear

The Game Gear effectively ended up being a home console for me because I was a child and my parents naturally didn't want to spend gorillions on batteries for it so they just got me the AC Adaptor.

>>15400307

I've seen the gameplay and that's all that matters. Now fuck off with your off-topic false flags.

>>>/tumblr/

>>15400307

>now the "it's just DmC2!!!!!" sperg is invading other threads

You got a link or archive of the devs saying that, or are you going to (38) off of pure butthurt again?

>>15400989

I've heard horror stories about Nintendo of Europe and their handling games. There should be a thread deticated to that.

Yes I'm burger but that doesn't mean we don't have horror stories of Nintendo third party handlings either. Treehouse and 8-4 both cucked Xenoblade X in the west and Treehouse for Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE.

>>15401186

I didn't see yours after I posted. Please no more chunkin' dunks like the Handler. I want Monster Hunter to have cute girls again.

>>15401210

The worst part about the Handler is that there are plenty of cute girls in MHW. The Handler is just some kind of awful Jewish exception.

>>15401230

An idea I thought of for a portable MonHun game is to start you in an unnamed settlement of refugees after a volcanic eruption wipes their village. You can customize the village buildings with whatever trophies you unlock AND players become the guildmaster of their village. All this means is that player created quests can be a thing with your own set conditions like time limits, loaned gear, break body parts, or not take damage. These quests rewards are pretty much common materials and zenny. They don't earn HR. They're there for fun or if you're bored of hunting a monster on the exact same story/online/event quest.

I'll put up a quest where you have to hunt a Deviljho with a hunting horn AND break his face AND take no damage or fail.

>>15401281

>SMT: Devil Survivor Overclocked was the game I bought a 3ds for, and guess what, it took 2 fucking years since it's NA release to come to Europe, 2 years for a basic port that required little to no changes, and wouldn't you know it, they fucked up even that, the European release came with game breaking glitches, the game would freeze if you tried to summon different Demons during battle and the auction system would make it freeze as well, it was unplayable, it took them more than a year to release a patch to fix this.

I hacked my 3DS and grabbed a NA copy, no regrets on that front. I enjoyed my 3DS overall but Atlus' output has been a mixed bag. DeSu, Soul Hackers and EO (except for 2U) are the only good titles produced by them on the system.

>>15400989

>I still kept playing simply because I eventually got a 3ds, but I just barely tolerated the thing, the screen is too small and so is the console itself, it would cramp my hands after about an hour, G-rank would give me legit physical pain.

I've been hearing multiple people say this throughout these threads and I've never been able to understand it. Do so many NA/EU folk really just have hands that are that much bigger? Is that why the original Xbox's controller was so bizarrely huge? I can fully sympathize with the kind of discomfort you describe, because I experienced it with the GBA SP, though I've never had any problems like that with any other of the major Nintendo or Sony handhelds. At the risk of turning this into blogposting, I'm only half-Japanese (other half being white) yet I've never found any of the handhelds besides the SP to be like this. I guess what I'm asking is, is this a common thing? Does the average person you know have hands large enough that the 3DS or the like is that uncomfortable?

>It seems to me like there was no way to appease both crowds, they either had to choose to make it for their own country, or for the west.

I'd say that's really been the problem with the industry as a whole lately, and especially since more and more you have larger devs like Capcom, Square, Konami, etc. as well as both the hardware guys, Nintendo and especially Sony, drinking the "Aim West" Kool-Aid the direction of the industry just looks bleaker and bleaker. There are thankfully still games that are kept Japan only and stay good for it, like Super Robot Wars, but even things you'd think would stay safely that way are at risk - Gundam Breaker had 3 amazing games and was Japan-exclusive, then they announced a fourth game, New Gundam Breaker, with a Western release being one of the first things mentioned about it, and as we saw more and more of later, everything about it was designed seemingly to redesign the game from the ground up to appeal to Westerners (moving to Unreal Engine, playing more like DotA than an action game, multiplayer focus instead of single player, PC port, etc.) Needless to say it was a terrible piece of shit that crashed and burned hard to the point of being 70% off within a couple of weeks, but obviously World has seen the opposite effect, and even if it's as short-lived as many of us believe, it's still going to be another powerful influence on developers to drink deeper of the Kool-Aid.

>I also feel the devs realized the"nurugee" joke, they seem to make the game harder with every piece of content. Hopefully this reflects on the sequel.

I stopped playing before they put in Lunastra or the MMO crossover monster so I can't speak on those, but Jho and Tarot definitely didn't make the game any harder. The problem I think ultimately comes down to the player simply being far too powerful to the point it's a completely different game from 2G, but of course they're not going to go back on that

>>15401186

>I'd like to see a source on this

For my part, as I've said it's purely anecdotal, but the only time I've seen a Switch "in the wild," it was an American coworker of mine using it. Every other person I've spoken to says they use it purely as a TV console. The problem I think basically comes down to the fact the Switch tries to be both a proper TV console and a proper handheld to appease both the West and Japan, but falls short of what both want out of it. It lacks the power and GRAFIX to satisfy what the PC-centric West wants, while it's nowhere near portable-friendly enough for the Japanese audience that tends to game on long train/bus commutes.

>all of the official polling Nintendo has shown, shows the usage is pretty split between console and Handheld

I've yet to see any polls of the sort, but I'd also take anything Nintendo says about it with a grain of salt due to the fact that they have a definite agenda to push when releasing polling figures.

>and Japan is the only place that sells "Dockless" switches, which they wouldn't do if the market didn't ask for it.

Not necessarily. Again, Nintendo developed the Switch with the idea of it being a handheld in Japan and a TV console in the West, so it makes sense that they'd market based on that desire to see it play out that way. Even if there's no demand, they'll try to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

>G-RANK announcement at TGS for World

It won't be at TGS, World is definitely too aimed at the West. It'll be E3 next year.

>Switch Exclusive Monster Hunter

That, or if the rumors are true about Nintendo working on a real handheld, a new MonHun could be announced as a launch/early title for it to guarantee it moves units.

>>15401193

Pretty much any (((localization))) company is pure cancer and needs to be starved of shekels.

>>15401230

>The Handler is just some kind of awful Jewish exception.

She's yet another symptom of the Kool-Aid.

>>15401336

I was unaware of how far 3ds hacking was and when I learned of it I had already updated my 3ds in order to play 4u online and didn't bother to try to find a way to roll back.

I should play through Soul Hackers, I also played through SMT4, it's not that great but it was enjoyable, largely because of the soundtrack but you can notice a large tonal shift in it, it eventually makes up for it somewhat when you start going to different worlds, but it's still overall one of the weakest smt games.

Now SMT4F is a game that I cannot believe was made with the SMT title, I didn't even finish it, but boy do I have a lot to say about that game, jesus christ.

>>15401379

I kept playing on my classic GBA because I do have big hands. Can't even play Switch in handheld without hands cramping up. I gave up and bought a grip for Switch for handheld mode. I'm considering getting a grip for my New 3DS XL. I had an Circle Pad Pro LL for my old 3DS XL but it don't work with the new one. It was great too. Perfect size and grip for my hands.

>>15401379

Out of the 4 people I know that had a 3ds, all of them complain of it being way too small and leaving them with hand cramps. This is of course on the original model mind you.

One of them eventually bought a 2ds and said it was so much more comfortable.

For context on myself even the PS3 controller feels small for me, not uncomfortably small, but still small. the DS4 feels right at home for me.

I never played Xbox so I can't tell how it feels, but I would say that yes, that's why they were built.

My father and grandfather have such bizarre huge index fingers that if they were to try to play anything on the 3ds they would be hitting all the face buttons at the same time.

>drinking the "Aim West" Kool-Aid the direction

Nip devs need to realize that all they need to do is to make the game as they see fit, and release it as it is for the rest of the world, adding a simple translation, and not a localization, we all know how those end.

But these companies have their heads inside their own ass they are so fucking stupid, they won't listen to anyone, I listened to an interview of Reuben Langdon, guy who voices Dante in DMC3 and 4, and it's such an eye opener, they don't care about your opinion. Even with him being American, because he has spent so much time in Japan they no longer consider him American and no longer listened to him, they don't listen to anyone, they only listen to that shitty CEO from America, and why? because he took a flight here all the way from America to tell us how we should do things, what's his track record? What does he do? Does he work here? It doesn't even matter, all he has to do is be American and they will be at his beck and call.

And who are the people these companies have the closest access to? the localization team of course! Then sales representatives throwing in their own agenda.

That's where the problem is, they need to realize that they don't need to go through all this effort to get success from the western side, fucking DmC is a prime example of this, but I wouldn't be surprised if capcom and other companies couldn't take a long term hint.

>>15401279

That would be pretty damn cool. I like the idea of official custom quest creation, not only for challenge but for more convenient grinding and fun combinations of monsters that normally wouldn't be together. Too bad it probably won't ever happen.

>>15401379

My hands aren't very big and I still found the 3DS (N3DS) uncomfortable as fuck when I first got it. I don't mind it any more though. I think it is more the shape that makes it hard to hold for long, not the size. The OG Xbox controller was an outlier that got phased out eventually for a smaller model.

>>15401722

That's always been the plan. I'm on my own for everything. Artwork, audio, programming, translation. But that's for another topic.

>Started on MH3U

>Learned Moonrunes and bought 4 and then 4g

>All the time using one weapon (GS, and not good in it too) because of my retarded policy of specializing in one thing instead of trying a variety

>Play X and XX and main only the SA which was sadly the Sword Only

>Try all other weapons, can't believe the fun I have missed all these years

I really feel like a retard for this. However, I have even more reason now to play the games and create even more weapons. My question is, what are the weakness/pros of the melee weapons (excluding HH, range weapons and the lances, because I hate em).

Currently, I am maining the SA since I have gotten used to its attacks and their reach the most out of the other weapons. However, is there a tier list of weapons for each of the MH games? I heard that CB was retardedly OP in 4G. I also hear that DBs and LS are fucking useless sometimes, how correct is that?

>>15403259

>what are the weakness/pros of the melee weapons

It's pretty straightforward from what you'd guess. The GS and LS are heavy damage with good reach and are great for cutting tails, the SnS and DBs are about fast multiple hits and thus are well served by element and status properties, the Hammer has both strength and mobility and is one of the only weapons that can consistently deal exhaust/KO damage and should thus be predominantly targetting the head as long as it's not a low damage zone like with the 'blos monsters (and even in that case if you're trying to break their horns for the drops you need to hit the head anyway,) Switch Axe has power and reach rivaling the GS/LS combo with the ability to specialize in certain effects based on Phial and in Sword mode automatic ESP, Charge Axe gets defensive guard points and big explosions, Insect Glaive occupies a middle ground between the power and speed weapons while enabling aerial mobility and easing mounting.

>I heard that CB was retardedly OP in 4G.

I don't play the weapon so I don't know the specifics, but in vanilla 4 no one used it so they buffed it like mad in 4G to the point where, for instance, it could do KOs better than Hammer could.