3fe745 No.15386030
Why do Nintendo actively kill fangames?
They are damaging their "family friendly" image they made.
Are they afraid the fangames will be better than their games and people will play these unofficial games instead?
832e5f No.15386039
They're not killing shit, people are just attention-seeking fame-mongering retards that don't actually make fangames, they just slap together some shitty video and get people hyped and start up a gofundme then sit on it until the inevitable crackdown hits.
You can make a fangame and keep it under wraps, then release it and they can't do shit about it.
f62c03 No.15386042
IF YOU ARE MAKING A COOL FANGAME.
Shut the fuck up about it.
b0fcd6 No.15386048
Because they're the only ones people make fangames about. The only exception is sonic, and sega knows sonic autism cannot be stopped, only integrated, like with Mania.
30e06a No.15386054
>>15386039
>They're not killing shit,
What is Project M?
What is AM2R?
What is OoT 2D?
What is Pokemon Uranium?
What is SM64 HD?
What is Zelda Maker?
What are hundreds of other small fangames that have bit the dust because of Nintendo being copykikes?
>>15386042
Or just post anonymously here on not on (((Discord))) like every dipshit does nowadays
d6fa28 No.15386056
>>15386042
This, don't be an attention whore.
Finish it, put it out on some torrent or download site, and wait for somebody to find it.
Otherwise you are going to get your shit fucked by some large schnozzed gentlemen.
f62c03 No.15386057
>>15386054
Or you could just shut the fuck up about it until it is done and uploaded.
832e5f No.15386061
>>15386054
>retards making illegal videos of illegal games years before they finish
<NINTENDO DID THIS!
Stop being retarded.
30e06a No.15386064
>>15386061
> illegal videos
< he fell for the Jewish copyright meme
w e w
d6fa28 No.15386069
>>15386064
Just because its a fucking retarded law, doesn't suddenly make it not a law mate.
Copyright law repealing fucking never ever.
596a55 No.15386070
>>15386030
>Why do Nintendo actively kill fangames?
They fear competion
832e5f No.15386073
Note that these fags making fangames are literally only famous because they're using fucking Nintendo brands. If AM2R wasn't AM2R but some other generic metroidvania like A Robot Named Fight, only 2% of you fucking faggots would even know it existed and 1% would know the name enough to repeat it.
>>15386064
Wew yourself, lad. Stop the presses, corporations don't like people using their brands willy-nilly! More at 10 o'clock!
30e06a No.15386093
>>15386069
> I'll just stay quiet and hide from the jews' encroaching influence over the laws of my country
< yfw even a nigger is smarter than you
good goyim
76ff58 No.15386094
>>15386070
>>Why do Nintendo actively kill fangames?
>They fear competion
Because they're legally obligated to kill them or risk losing their trademarks due to them becoming generic. Copyright can't be lost in this way (although later damages can be reduced if there's no previous action to defend said copyright) but trademarks can, and Nintendo is a company built on trademarks and franchises.
>>15386090
>Weren't those only killed, because the makers were dumb enough to use copyrighted names?
Yes. If fan-game makers made "homages" that were either satirical or something, they'd be fine, but because they're retards who think nothing can possibly go wrong if they use fucking trademarked and copyrighted characters and franchises, they get nuked from orbit by the hook-nosed lawyers.
Just don't announce you're working on it, or if you have to, say you're "inspired by" such and such a game, not making a fucking sequel using content that isn't legally yours.
It's not a hard fucking concept to understand.
Doesn't make copyright law any less jewish though. Walt Disney was right to fear the jew.
823c01 No.15386101
>>15386094
>Walt Disney was right to fear the jew.
But disney was the one staunchly raping the copyright system to what it is today.
76ff58 No.15386112
>>15386101
Walt's raping of copyright law stopped when he died in 1966 and, despite his protests and dying wishes, his company was eventually bought out and controlled by jews who have continuously extended copyright law beyond the "creator's life" time limitation that was put in place in Walt's day (which is fair enough, previously it had only been about 20 years).
d6fa28 No.15386115
>>15386101
Walt Disney =\= the Disney corp.
Disney didn't start really fucking with copyright law until the 70's, Walt died in 1966.
823c01 No.15386120
>>15386115
Ohh ok, thanks for the clarification.
bdf5b7 No.15386127
>>15386054
>pokemon uranium
It has a motherkiller's name attached to it so i'm glad its dead
76ff58 No.15386128
>>15386124
> which one is worse is highly debatable.
One company wants to make games and toys and doesn't want anybody else to make unlicensed versions of their toys.
The other company wanted to put a Windows gaming device in the loungeroom as a wedge to get their hardware into every loungeroom, with later iterations forcing spyware and botnets built-in to the system and to make you pay for the privilege, and introduced concepts like subscription fees for fucking p2p hosted multiplayer and the cancer known as achievements.
I know which one I think is worse.
49e5bd No.15386132
If you have the means to make a fan game with stolen assets then why not invest extra time to make those ideas into your own, faggot?
1170d8 No.15386139
>>15386048
>The only exception is sonic, and sega knows sonic autism cannot be stopped, only integrated, like with Mania.
As if Mania hasn't totally screwed up their plans for Sonic. What was supposed to be a simple tie-in to their latest "blockbuster" ended up completely eclipsing their own efforts. There's no way they'll make that mistake again. Sooner or later it'll be Sega who cracks down on their fanbases.
823c01 No.15386150
d6fa28 No.15386156
>>15386132
Lack of creativity/love for original franchise.
Its pretty understandable really, I myself have made dozens of dozens of design documents of various games that I love the characters/world/aesthetics/ect for, but want the gameplay to be better because the devs can't balance the game worth a dogs shit.
49e5bd No.15386247
>>15386156
Keep those documents, but throw out any ties to other IPs if you can. My love for Zelda and classic Ys with Paper Mario stats is turning into a game about cute monster girl adventures. As for my love for Lufia, YIIK ruined the turn-based RPG plans I had. However I do have plans for a 4-player couch co-op dungeon crawler party brawler with waifus based off of a spin-off idea because of Curse of the Sinistral's new plot hole. I managed to turn Hilda, Guy's sister, into a /fit/ ara-ara fighter.
b14ebf No.15386322
>>15386030
>Are they afraid the fangames will be better than their games and people will play these unofficial games instead?
>AMR2
Funnily enough, I played some of the other metroid games because, at the time, AMR2 existed.
I still have it. Fuck you nintendo
9d335b No.15386349
What happened to the Mother 4 fan game? It was fun to piss off the shill back at half-chan before the exodus.
7878c4 No.15386354
>>15386030
>Why do Nintendo actively kill fangames?
Because they can.
>They are damaging their “family friendly” image they made.
You have no idea what that means. Not a fucking clue. YOU are the reason that Disney can get away with owning a softcore porn channel, film studio that makes films about rape, drugs, and wanton sex, and puts faggots and trannies in its children’s shows. You have no idea what “family friendly” means.
b14ebf No.15386394
>>15386354
Preposterous. Faggots and trannies are really really REALLY family friendly.
e721f0 No.15386408
596a55 No.15386410
>>15386042
or just use TOR
596a55 No.15386437
>>15386247
but throw out any ties to other IPs if you can.
that defeats the entire point of fan games.
There should be no reason to do this if you aren't selling/receiving donations for it.
But the copyright jews will not have any of that.
de83ac No.15386452
>Why do Nintendo actively kill fangames?
Because they hate when people make better new games than they do with their own IPs. Why make a better product when you can just snub out the people outshining you?
49e5bd No.15386497
>>15386437
So, sell the game to normalfags and get something back for your labors. You can't stop /v/ from pirating your games, but at least we'll support your game if it's good and you're not an IRL faggot.
Or release your original games as freeware to get your name out so you can monetize later projects or get connections to bigger groups. There is literally no excuse to make "good" fan games. You're not going to recive Potatohead Motor's blessing to make a non-cancer Mario game officially.
So tell Jewtendo's lawyers to fuck off they hold no power here. As for dead IPs let sleeping dogs lie. Trust me, I know from experience getting over that first creative hurdle on making your own idea is a mountain. After you climb it, everything else will come naturally to you.
This is your intellectual property you're keeping to yourself. You can do almost anything you want with it.
Try writing a one-page fiction or doodling your own idea with your own and see where that goes.
f0ef0c No.15386509
>Why do Nintendo actively kill fangames?
Because they hate competition even if the fans make it as an inspiration for their love of the franchise, it's not about protecting copyright as they say it's about suppressing the fans into buying their games and spend more money on them. Why do you think they never do a sale on old games? Also the AM2R fiasco proved it was all about greed since the game had Amiibo locked content which no matter how hard you play the game you will never 100% complete it and those said Amiibos cost a fortune now thanks to scalpers selling it to triple or quadruple the price it was originally intended.
934854 No.15386517
>Kills fangames
>Kills rom websites
>Kills emulation
And yet this board sucks its dick everyday.
45eb37 No.15386522
>A big business that like every big business is paranoid over their IPs.
>Why do they kill fan games?
Are you fucking shitting me Mr Spacing Reddit? You have to ask this?
7d8523 No.15386581
>>15386517
you have mark to thank for that
de83ac No.15386633
>>15386493
Yes, and? You say that like nintendo has been able to produce anything better in recent years. They can't even remake their own games correctly anymore despite having all the sourcecode and assets still. Hell, their subsidiaries and partners that have little influence from Nintendo can't even do anything write anymore; even the worst pokemon fangames are better than gen 6 and 7.
934854 No.15386654
>>15386581
Oh and let's not forget
>Kills modifications that allow multiplayer coop in 20+ year old n64 games
596a55 No.15386655
>>15386497
>There is literally no excuse to make "good" fan games
People don't make fangames to make good games, they want to make games with characters they like. A handful of fangames just happen to be good games.
If they only care for the gameplay, they should probably do what you describe.
596a55 No.15386675
>>15386660
>Neogaf saw this coming.
Who cares?
e994e9 No.15386695
>>15386522
>A big business that like every big business
I don't understand. I was under the impression Nintendo was simply the best. Mark and his cadre told me so. Why would they do exactly the same thing as their competitors? They wouldn't even need to.
7bc787 No.15386715
>>15386069
If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means – to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal – would bring terrible retribution.
— Louis D. Brandeis
Whenever the offense inspires less horror than the punishment, the rigor of penal law is obliged to give way to the common feelings of mankind.
— Edward Gibbon, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny.
— Edmund Burke
Unnecessary laws are but traps for money.
— Thomas Hobbes
Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim — when he defends himself — as a criminal.
— Frederic Bastiat, The Law
All bad precedents begin with justifiable measures.
— Julius Caesar
The more laws, the less justice.
— Marcus Tullius Cicero
The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom.
— John Locke
Every actual state is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well.
— Ralph Waldo Emerson
41730f No.15386734
81126f No.15386738
>>15386695
Nintendo is the best, but they are still a multinational gaming company, which means that at the very least 10-20% of what they do is really shitty. Nintendo is liked because less than half of what they do is shitty (if only slightly), which shouldn't be an accomplishment, but when comparing them to console makers (Sony and Microsoft) and large publishers (EA, Ubisoft, and Activision), they are a definite step up.
Speaking of Activision, I actually haven't heard of them shitting the bed lately, what's up with that?
283d33 No.15386763
>>15386738
Did you forget Activision is Blizzard-Activision now? They fucked up with not having a campaign for Black Cocks Quatro but it got overshadowed by their main competitor, Battlecripple V(agina's) PR disaster concerning muh inclusivity. Also their continuing trend of releasing sequentially fuckshit awful expansions to their whale farm of a game, WoW, each one so bad that it makes the previous expansion look better in comparison.
a5eb2d No.15386790
>>15386054
Let me do some research on your claims:
Project M didn't get C&D'd, it was canceled. There was fear of legal action, but nothing actually happened: https://www.gamnesia.com/news/the-real-reason-project-ms-developers-cancelled-the-smash-bros-mod-was-fear
AM2R released at the wrong time, because they had their own Metroid 2 remake in the works. Even so, that was a token shutdown too, because they didn't even shut it down until after it was released: https://www.reddit.com/r/AM2R/comments/5dw5dv/what_reason_was_it_that_nintendo_dmced_that_game/
OoT 2D was not C&D'd. Development just died. They had personal lives that took over: http://zfgc.com/forum/index.php?topic=41677.0
Pokemon Uranium were fucking retards who started taking money in via Patreon while developing a derivative of somebody else's trademarks: http://pokemon-uranium.tumblr.com/post/118818927275/pokemon-uranium-is-now-on-patreon-if-you-enjoyed
Other Pokemon fangames never got touched because they weren't stupid enough to try to profit.
You're right about SM64 HD. That was a Unity fan game that got shut down.
Zelda Maker got C&D'd, but they switched it to their own assets as "Legend Maker" instead. So you're right, but it didn't kill the project, he just took out the trademarked shit. It wasn't really a "fan game" in the first place.
So 1 out of 3, or 1 out of 2 if you include Pokemon Uranium (and you really shouldn't. They were taking donations to make a Pokemon fangame. Begging for shit.)
The vast majority of fan games don't get touched unless they use ripped artwork or music or they try to profit from it. That said, you and everybody else knows that you are playing with fire when you are using not only other people's copyrights, but actual company trademarks to make your own art. It's clearly derivative work, and you are accepting that risk onto yourself. Nintendo is the worst, but I'm not sure if I'm aware of any non-Nintendo fangames that lasted either, as it seems like everybody wants to make Zelda, Mario, and Pokemon fangames more than anything else. Nintendo does it badly, but who else really has the opportunity? How many non-Nintendo fangames are there?
892da0 No.15386815
>>15386030
>They are damaging their "family friendly" image they made
How? Bayonetta is treated as a nintnedo character at this point.
934854 No.15386912
>>15386699
>I'll give money to this landfill-tier company's business practices just to spite you for not liking what I like and I hope the things you like die
Is there a better reason to wish death upon another?
4dbfa3 No.15386930
>They are damaging their "family friendly" image they made.
Yeah I'm sure Grandma is going to double check how they deal with fan games to make sure the E for everyone rating isn't a hoax
33e528 No.15386949
>>15386030
>They are damaging their "family friendly" image they made.
They're not.
Disney and Studio Ghibli did much worse and are fine. Legal actions like that don't affect image.
>Are they afraid the fangames will be better than their games and people will play these unofficial games instead?
Jesus, no. They're just extremely controlling of their brand and don't want to see it in products they don't authorize. Its an image thing. Big companies are autistically protective of that shit.
You're preaching to the choir here, by the way. We've had this same thread several times already and the consensus is that Nintendo indeed sucks. Go tell people at Smash and Pokemon threads to stop sucking on Nintendo dick if you want to make a difference. Or take it to Gamefaqs.
7878c4 No.15386984
>>15386912
>Is there a better reason to wish death upon another?
Race treason.
a5eb2d No.15387301
>>15386990
> People who like something I don't like should be banned
> Literal retards advocating for thought police here so they can have a safe space without things they don't like
I think you've completely missed the point of this place.
40fff2 No.15387390
997170 No.15387393
>>15386030
Because Nintendo of America are a bunch of fucking faggots who don't deserve their position and Nintendo of Japan needs to stop listening to their retarded california burger branch.
>>15386815
She's considered family friendly by California standards and that's good enough for the faggots at NoA. Also family friendly primarily means that they're a trusted brand by parents so when they release a game that's E, parents know it'll be good enough to keep their kid distracted without using too much violence.
997170 No.15387399
>>15386738
>Saving the thumbnail
Damn it you fuck.
0f846f No.15387402
>>15387390
this is honestly terrible
e54ecd No.15387540
>>15387390
Fuck off Goon, our almost OC is a reddit meme.
That was made on a drawthread a few months ago, I was in that thread for fucks sake.
0b2219 No.15387567
>Why do Nintendo actively kill fangames?
It's some corporate bullshit, but they're protecting their brand. Good example of the effects of losing control is the Thermos company. Thermos used to be a trademark name (the generic term is "vacuum flask"), but they didn't protect their brand, and it was ruled that the word was used commonly enough as a generic term that other companies could use the term "thermos" as long as it was in lowercase letters.
Also, I know it's an anecdotal story, but back when I was a wageslave I remember a co-woker mentioned playing Super Mario on the computer, and I mentioned I have the real games for my NES and he gave me a weird look. I told him Super Mario was originally a Nintendo game, like for the NES, like a console you play with a controller and he didn't understand a word. Was a Chinaman but still. Another unrelated anecdote, but my dad once told me the people where he works with don't know what a VCR is, so maybe people are just very ignorant/oblivious in general.
>They are damaging their "family friendly" image they made.
???
>Are they afraid the fangames will be better than their games and people will play these unofficial games instead?
With AM2R, at least they waited until it was released to send out a cease & desist, and that was right before the official Metroid 2 remake, so I don't really know- they certainly could have sent it much earlier since people on the Metroid dev team knew about it for a while, but then again they could have not sent it at all. Although Pokemon Prism was sent a cease and desist two days before release which was pretty bullshit. What else did they cease and desist? There was some kind of 2d Mario Galaxy I think? And I think they got some mario64 multiplayer mod removed from youtube which was pretty bullshit.
However, all those "Nintendo game but in the unreal engine" fangames all look like hot garbage, I don't understand how anyone can miss those.
f16bf9 No.15387645
Because they know they can swoop up and take the hype out from under the smaller games by announcing there own versions of what they just canceled and the soybois will eat it up
21de3c No.15387684
>>15387567
>Thermos used to be a trademark name
That has absolutely nothing to do with fan games. Think about what you're saying and the laws you've confused.
a406d9 No.15387709
>>15386517
I need to save these, already.
ce8660 No.15387933
>>15387540
if you draw a reddit meme, does it no longer is a reddit meme?
faa88d No.15387959
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>>15386030
>Six replies
>All butthurt
Jesus, ya sure love making ethical arguments out of legal precedent enforced business practices.
Nintendo® is simply acting within their rights and fulfilling their company's obligation to protect their intellectual property against misuse or infringement; this is the shit you sign up for when you pay for digital goods. What they do is simply to avoid any sort of future misunderstanding when the time comes that they actually care about the results, so as to avoid any gray area arguments. This requires a zealous legal team, which they're proven to operate as this is one of the only companies that goes after popular ROM sites. What I've always found interesting about this is that they always wait until release, I followed AM2R's development for years and much was posted and discussed, it was no big secret, and the author had been releasing tech demos for years. Only when it was released was action taken, effectively allowing most of these titles to be completed.
faa88d No.15388008
>>15386042
>>15386054
>>15386057
Idiots; which of the takedowns were ever issued in development? Of course takedowns were issued on a handful of in-development titles by other companies, but not with regards to A2MR or Pokémon Prism.
ce8660 No.15388009
>>15387959
anyone who isnt butthurt by corporate tyranny is probably a jew
faa88d No.15388034
>>15388009
Feudalism allows tyrants, but it clearly is not to blame for them. The serfs have no claim to the crown's private properties.
59e9f2 No.15388122
>>15387845
Anon, Nintendo killed AM2R and then released a shittier metroid 2 remake a year later. PM was only popular amongst a select group of smashfags, why would Nintendo give a shit? PR is obviously not on their mind when they kill fan projects.
ce8660 No.15388157
faa88d No.15388205
>>15388157
Face it, you're a petty reformist that wants to treat symptoms but can't address the diseases in your own life let alone those inherent to socioeconomic structures.
ce8660 No.15388230
>>15388205
doesnt make it any less despicably jewish of the kikes youve chosen to side with
2465f6 No.15388237
because if you don't protect your IP you lose the right to protect it.
literally google "brand or trademark dilution"
there's plenty of copyrighted shit that got lost because it became normal, like elevator.
yes, elevator was a fucking trademark once.
>/v/ knowledge on copyright law
It's not just nintendo, other companies are equally anal about trademark clones.
apple literally sued a toilet paper company because they used apple as their name.
faa88d No.15388271
>>15388230
I'm not here to play Devil's advocate, there's no need to defend or condemn the actions of animals. You're the one that's taken their side by allowing its associated framework and espousing the same practices as them under different names when it suits your parasitized ego.
ce8660 No.15388305
>>15388271
people are always in control making these decisions. do not even try to pretend
faa88d No.15388307
>>15388237
>apple literally sued a toilet paper company because they used apple as their name.
What surprises me is that it was Apple computers and not Apple Core records [their war chest was funded entirely by The Beatles collection. Apple computers had a bitter rivalry which was only at last settled on release of the iPod.]
faa88d No.15388339
>>15388305
The same people that chose to make use of copyrighted materials? Those that wrote laws to extend these copyrights for the sake of Mickey Mouse? Those that allowed the politicians responsible to continue their careers? Those that espoused the concept of digital ownership? Yes, these were all people that made decisions, but the rest of us have to live with those decisions, and are all subject to them, because, we live in an interconnected series of societies.
See >>15388237
Anon's post covers the gist, they act as animals must act these are the lines the human animal has drawn in the sand, which their biology must obey, or otherwise accept the consequences if their inaction. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
ce8660 No.15388380
>>15388339
law does not determine what is decent, quit pretending thats the end of it. and your frog buddy is an idiot, fan games wont hurt their copyright unless they try to copyright it themselves. if he were speaking the truth all the shitty fanfictions in the world would have collapsed gisnep into a blackhole.
b24975 No.15388405
>>15386039
>>15386042
>>15386057
Nintendo shills detected
<shut the fuck up about it
Take your own advice
2465f6 No.15388414
>>15388380
fan art is technically illegal bro.
under the law any kind of fanart is illegal.
a5eb2d No.15388432
>>15387845
Yes, I'm certain that for some reason, Nintendo decided to silently kill this one game despite very publicly and openly killing the others to this day.
They've never been shy about C&D. Why would they try to be inconspicuous about only that single project?
faa88d No.15388460
>>15388380
Fanfic shit is protected under freedom of speech, since the majority of copyright claims are related to the United Snakes' bureaucracy. They lack the visual element necessary to constitute infringement, and bad fanart lacks the interactive element, and pornography is protected by parody laws. Objects like A2MR made full use of the visual elements, story, proprietary artistic elements, and essentially like most fangames used art & story elements protected by copyright without even meeting the conditions for fair use or parody. If companies do not act swiftly to safeguard their interests they run the risks of having each moment of inaction used against them as legal precedent when a more serious infringement concerns them.
>>law does not determine what is decent
Decency has nothing to do with your rights & privileges. Law is a tax on citizens used influence their behaviour and prop up a caste order of plutocrats and bureaucrats; read a fucking book about the world you live on. Nintendo isn't simply acting within their rights, they're acting to secure their own interests, and you should direct your scorn towards the world that necessitates this bhevaiour rather than blame them for living out its conditions.
2465f6 No.15388517
>>15388460
fanfic shit is not protected under law, it falls into a gray area.
there's pro and against people.
if the copyright holder wants to sue you, they have a literal right granted by law.
ce8660 No.15388527
>>15388460
>you should direct your scorn towards the world that necessitates this bhevaiour rather than blame them for living out its conditions.
my ire isnt limited to one entity.
its like they always say, you can lead a horse to water, but its up to the horse whether or not hes going to shoot you in the back and sell the water to the rest of his tribe at a ludicrous price.
f30483 No.15388697
This is my first and only post about this
>>15386042
>>15386056
>>15386073
>>15386094
>>15386949
>>15388237
The ones who get it
>>15386030
>>15386054
>>15386452
>>15386660
The ones who doesn't
>>15388009
>>15388034
There are two sides of the coin, either people are jews because they want money or they are commies because they want from something to everything be free, there's no middle ground since there will be always an asshole giving you a label to be able to rally others on to you
>>15388380
Law doesn't the humans that make them enfoce what is decent on others and try to erease what it isn't percieved as decent.
>>15388307
Nice pic but Slam Dunk's creator had it better by using real life basket ball games to use on his work.
Have fun spending your life on an argument that didn't needed to exist and have been so forcefully extended that turned into a groundhog debait that will just never end due people on eternal denial. TL;DR: If you want to make a fucking fangame and get cash out of it either you find a company that doesn't mind and good fucking luck with that or go to a place where copyright infringement laws don't exist/can't be enfoced upon you, otherwise shut the fuck up and quietly develop then release the fucking game you fucking shekel hungry whore I hate spending time on a never ending argument as much as i hate people keeping them alive just to fuck around.
d5f9d5 No.15388973
>>15388237
YOU CAN NOT LOSE COPYRIGHT BY ALLOWING DERIVATIVE WORKS YOU MONGOLOID IDIOT RETARD FUCK STOP REPEATING THIS HORSESHIT
d5f9d5 No.15388976
>>15388697
Go crawl in an oven where you belong kike
546ae7 No.15388985
Did fangame creators ever consider creating their own original games instead? You can basically copy every game mechanic from whatever game you're inspired by (except for minigames in the loading screen) as long as you aren't literally copy pasting assets.
d5f9d5 No.15388996
>>15388985
As long as you don't use copyright protected designs, names, or assets, you are in the clear. Of course that entirely nullifies the point of a "fangame".
49e5bd No.15389066
>>15388985
You have to reverse engineer your own systems from the ground up to get them to work. Otherwise if you use stolen code that can be traced to the original game without a license, that's copyright infringement.
Exception to this is if you purchase a license to use a game engine. Which so far Nintendo has yet to open any of their in house development software to the public. I don't think the DD track maker in F-Zero counts.
faa88d No.15389199
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15388697
> either people are jews because they want money or they are commies
I actually started out >>15387959
by linking a Marxist philosophy video on why we shouldn't pay for digital reproductions.
faa88d No.15389246
>>15388985
Yes. But a lot of those weren't fans, they were developers for other companies that had already done the work; legends say Blizzard were contracted to make Warhammer Fantasy as an RTS but Games Workshop didn't followup on it, so the rebranded it as Warcraft. Mother 4 however will be held back and rewritten as its own title.
>>15388527
>its like they always say, you can lead a horse to water, but its up to the horse whether or not hes going to shoot you in the back and sell the water to the rest of his tribe at a ludicrous price.
When feudal lords or Roman emperors start electing horses to government office you know something's gone awry at some point. I don't see how a Democratic Republic is an better in that situation.
c40d78 No.15389482
>>15386738
If you like nuShitendo games, you like child rape and shitty DMCAfest business practices. This is a fact accepted by all of 8ch, except for the cuckchan redditors. Begone.
ce8660 No.15389501
>>15388985
the drive for creativity comes from their love of the game or franchise theyre basing it off of. usually its love.
831d51 No.15389503
>>15386738
>>15387567
This is the face of damage control....
See the screencap in >>15386699, kids. Youll learn alot.
8c6df6 No.15389534
>>15389503
>Anime Avatars, and calling people faggots
>You'll learn a lot
I spend my money on things I know I'll enjoy, Refuse to spend money on things I know I won't
and pirate the rest That's all anybody really needs to do.
8c6df6 No.15389539
>>15389464
Also
>These posts are based, We should have listened to NeoFag, they're not so bad after all
Hating one Company so much to only to agree with a site ran by fans of another (leftists Sony shills and that isn't conjecture, they were honest to god shills for Sony most of em did it for free) is so fucking retarded, That I refuse that this post isn't anything other than fucking bait.
e1bdc1 No.15389635
>>15389464
>>15389475
>>15389482
>>15389503
Fuck off you false flagging nintencockstraddler. You’re more obvious than even the brightest CIAnigger.
49e5bd No.15389709
>>15386655
Those people are fools making games based on characters they do not own.
First, regardless of what you want for that character it's the IP owner who has 100% say so on the final design. If you make a game with a copyrighted character from that multi-million dollar corporation then that corporation will want everything done the way it wants to. This means dealing with Potato Motor's no story policy bullshit for Mario.
Second, you need permission to use that character for development in the first place. Most corporations will demand you pay a license to put a trademarked logo in your product. But for a whole character from Nintendo you must go through their strict approval process first before they approve the license. And if you're lucky enough to get that license well you better make your game to Nintendo's standards in first point and meet Nintendo's deadlines. They have merchandise and marketing to sell.
And if you don't have that licensed permission from Nintendo, they won't just DMCA your project. They'll throw a full copyright infringement lawsuit to make sure your project's development with your ideas based on Nintendo characters will never get rewritten to not include copyrighted Nintendo characters because the last thing Nintendo wants is for you to make a Donkey Kong sized hit without Nintendo's name.
Keep Nintendo out of your "fan" projects. Don't make another Link. Don't make another Mario. Make an original character that will stand out on his/her own that someday will be more popular than Mario.
Nintendo is on the Disney Fuck You Spiral of Copyright Monopolization. Population play more games on smart phones than Switch. Let that sink in.
49e5bd No.15389750
>>15389709
Sage for second post. But I need to clarify that any company as big as Nintendo will use their power to monopolize their IPs. The IP game is really one of those times where the best move is not to play. I encourage fan game makers to try to make their own stuff rather than fan creations for their freedom.
Some disclosure: Mods can look at my posting history to know I admit I have a Nintendo Switch and I do play new Nintendo games on it. That doesn't mean I'm willing to defend a company with products I still like to the death. They need to be critically challenged on their anti-consumer actions.
4c60df No.15389801
>>15389709
you're a retard.
49e5bd No.15389822
>>15389764
I outlined a whole bunch of shit Nintendo does to destroy competing developers whether a fan game is complete with ir without their blessing and you insist on calling me a nintendrone.
Tell me which is better earned? Leeching off of the fame of the Mickey Mouse of video games to get your work reconized or proving that you can make better games without Nintendo.
c80c5f No.15389841
>>15386030
Nintendo seems like they've got some really expensive legal team on retainer, and it's likely that part of their job is to find a reason to keep suckling money from Nintendo. There's also the issue with copyrights where they have to be defended or actively enforced, otherwise precedents start getting set and it weakens their ability to do shit in the future.
Long and short, Copyright law is a bunch of bullshit. Thank Disney and the irreparable harm that China has done, but don't ever stop spitting in Nintendo's eye when they do this shit, because even though they are just following the rules, they are still really fucking bad about this sort of thing. Just look at how they handle the whole youtube thing. People can't even post videos with clips of gameplay from Nintendo games these days.
49e5bd No.15389955
>>15389915
Ugh… I dun goofed. Whoops. Sorry.
That said whether or not Nintendo is the best company in the world is irrelevant. The less powerful people that have their fingers in your pies the better. Nintendo doesn't need my games to live (yet). And if Nintendo bans my games from their platforms then I will publish elsewhere.
If Nintendo doesn't want me to make Nintendo games then I wont touch their IPs in my work. And neither does Nintendo want you to publish better games with their IPs. So don't make games with Nintendo characters.
e460aa No.15390201
>>15386054
>What is Project M?
>What is AM2R?
>What is OoT 2D?
>What is Pokemon Uranium?
>What is SM64 HD?
>What is Zelda Maker?
THEY ARE BITCHES WHO COULDNT KEEP THEIR WHORE MOUTHS SHUT
7c54bf No.15390519
>>15386790
There are tons of Sonic fangames and ROM hacks and Sega are being cool about it, going so far as to make Sonic Mania and even letting the official developers like Stealth do livestreams at the Sonic Amateur Games Expo.
That said, I think there was some Streets of Rage drama some time ago, with them deleting gameplay videos off YouTube and cancelling some SoR fangame. Althougn, if I'm not mistaken, the new Streets of Rage is actually done by those fans, but don't quote me on that.
ce8660 No.15390530
>>15390215
arent those halfchan?
951106 No.15390539
>>15390519
>I think there was some Streets of Rage drama some time ago
>cancelling some SoR fangame
Eat shit newfag, the SOR2 fan remake which Sega took down was a master project and probably the best scrolling beat 'em up on pc right now. Thank God someone badder took it back up.
192159 No.15390566
>>15390530
He's just posting images from where he's from
42c6f6 No.15390576
You don't protect your ip you give up ownership. They know Tencent would just be salivating at the chance for "Bloke'mon, and original concept not at all imitating Poke'mon!"
ce8660 No.15390586
>>15390576
why do you choose to believe this?
people do that kind of thing all the time. didnt hear of anything bad happening to these guys. touhous huge impact is largely owed to fan projects.
42c6f6 No.15390589
>>15390586
Blame america and disney.
8df911 No.15390599
If AM2R was so good, why didn't the guy making it make a game about Shamus Baron fighting the Metards instead?
7c54bf No.15390605
>>15390539
I don't give a shit about SoR so I'm not an expert, which I stated.
e6f92a No.15390716
>>15390640
Broken clocks are right twice a day.
a0a365 No.15390792
>>15386596
>>15386137
>>15386124
Take your sony shilling back to >>>/cuckchan/
2c6d93 No.15390825
>They are damaging their "family friendly" image they made.
Nintendo could set a puppy on fire at a conference and not lose a cent.
ffd995 No.15390834
>>15386030
>why shitendo being shitendo
Did you ever wonder about why EA being EA?
>all these shitendrones ironically defending copyright
You faggots deserve to be ass probed by nintendo.
6f49db No.15390836
>>15390599
>Image
Consider using the high res text edit. Not even sure why the original seems to have used an existing text transparency and upscaled it like that.
>>15390530
Post numbers like that with those dates, it has to be.
6f49db No.15390839
>>15390599
>why didn't the guy making it make a game about Shamus Baron fighting the Metards instead?
c540b7 No.15390845
how is this thread still here?
mark they're attacking nintendo again, do something!
(ITS FINE AS LONG AS IT DOESNT TURN INTO CUCKCHAN TIER CONSOLE WARS) ed4ff0 No.15390999
>>15390845
>Implying I don't give Nintendo shit myself
16d9f6 No.15391067
>>15389846
>image
YES YOU CAN YOU FUCKING RETARD
The reason why is because of the assumption/belief/indication that there are still people out there willing to buy the product they sell in the way they make it and that is because they're the only ones making it;if they allow derivative works of their IP they do not have a direct hand into or profit from it in some way,even if those are for free, that creates immediate competition.In the corporate eye anyone that is not affiliated with the corporation is a competitor
So in their mind they would be either losing money or even worse practically handing over the IP in time since nobody buys their shit products anymore and prefer the derivatives.
So at that point they must either buy out the competition which would mean more money spent re-aquiring something that was theirs to begin with and then synching up with the corporate guidelines which makes the whole point moot since the only reason people prefered that over theirs was because it wasn't theirs or change the corpotate guidelines to suit the needs of the newly acquired old IP,which essentially is the equivalent of the conquered dictating the conditons of surrender to the conqueror not to mention every single other derivative that will pop-up in that time trying to take the place of the previous one.
So in conclusion all that shit would be better avoided if
they hadn't allowed it to happen in the first place
d36059 No.15391130
>>15391067
Copyright law never expires.
16d9f6 No.15391149
>>15391130
Which is exactly the reason why they make sure that no matter what they're the ones that have the upper hand when it comes into who is creating something for their IP,if you give creative freedom to the wrong person to do something with it they may either fuck things up completely and you're stuck with a once succesful IP that's worth less now than it did before or even worse make a runaway success with it and now you're the one dependent on them for the creation of the next one and not the other way around.
Just look at Star Wars
7878c4 No.15391158
>>15391130
But can be RESCINDED by taking various actions, you dipshit.
d36059 No.15391194
>>15391158
That never happens and you know it. Go be a corporate whore somewhere else.
e1bdc1 No.15391745
>>15390201
>hey guys look at this cool fangame I made
<FIRTHY GAIJIN STOP MAKING BETTER GAMES THAN US
<it’s your fault for saying it existed
Disregarding that, even if they didn’t announce their releases, they would still get talked about because they’re good fucking games. Word would still get to nintendo, and they would still get threatened with legal action.
ca157a No.15391793
>>15391745
The argument is that if they finished the game first, it would be too late to do anything about it once anyone finds out about it.
f7bf3e No.15391895
They kill fan games because they see them as threats to potential revenue, like AM2R came out months before their own Metroid 2 remake.
Nintendo has the right to protect their stuff, sure, but a lot of the problems with these fan game developers every fucking time is that they make themselves and their fan games too public when they know Nintendo's track record.
Just fucking put it up on bittorrent and pass around the links through forums and boards, fucking morons.
0b06de No.15391909
>>15386042
If you are making a cool fangame:
>Torrents are eternal and can't be DMCA'd (well… the trackers can, but PeX and DHT make them more resilient)
>Do NOT use online source control (e.g. GitHub, GitLab, BitBucket) as the main means to save your code. Use it solely as a free website.
>Do not expose email addresses or your physical address. You can only cease and desist an addressable entity. That also means you will have to disable mail services that may or may not come with a website you buy.
2465f6 No.15391947
>>15388973
that's the literal definition of trademark dilution, fucking mouthbreather retard.
If a company allows fangames they can't complain later a rival company uses their IP and claims is another fan game.
fucking retard.
2465f6 No.15391954
>>15388985
yeah, I'm planning on remaking the first mario bross in HD with rule 63 of mario.
0f7550 No.15391968
Most people who start fangame projects are just attention seeking faggots who then claim C&D to save face after they realize it takes actual longterm work to make one.
f10f7a No.15391990
Sometimes I think it's just the lawyers trying to justify their retainers and salaries.