/v/ - Video Games

>>15377710

What the fuck does preference for adrenaline mean? Fast paced? Difficult?

>>15377710

>annoyance of in-game violence

How do you annoy violence, much less fictional violence?

>>15377718

basically something like "action packed muscular guy killing minorities"

>>15377747

women enjoy more casual settings and they don't seem to enjoy violence or competition a lot.

>>15377771

making a game for women would imply a game with no competition, not much violence (killing monsters), lack of having to repeat a section (no those NES level reset shit), and much less reliance on reflexes (since women have much more slower reflexes).

I'm sure is possible using those guidelines to make a hardcore game for casual players.

>>15377823

I want to design a game girls would be like really hardcore for it, so is usefull information for me.

>>15377823

Seeing something as different does not mean that you know in what ways they are. Obviously a lot of this you could've assumed, but there might be something surprising in it.

>>15377842

Definitely: Yes!

What does 1,5 annoyance rate on the cringe scale

>>15377837

Fair enought, but its hard to find the modivation to did through a study that agrees with things you already believe. The modivating factor is a part of the issue I am speaking to. Combing through this just for the off chance that something doesn't fit with your general modle is what I meant when I said "autism for the sake of autism".

>>15377833

Women don't like real game. Just make a Dress-Up/ Paper doll simulator for iPhone that ties into their social media with microtransactions.

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>did through

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fucking hell

>>15377859

they're already big consumers of female media in music, anime, movies and even cartoons.

I don't follow the incel way of thinking that huh duh women are inferior subhumans, but I see them as biologically diferent than males.

It's also a great oportunity to make original games and I'm bored of all the hardcore games tbh.

>>15377807

>I'm sure is possible using those guidelines to make a hardcore game for casual players.

Sounds like the Sims, which could be argued to be a relatively hardcore game due to its high complexity (in that there are an immense number of options available to you at any given point).

>>15377870

>they're already big consumers of female media in music, anime, movies and even cartoons.

Yes and those female outliers tend to like what the boys like. The general population of females are vapid and shallow, and like things that complement their vanity. The type of "game" the general female population like are your typical candy crush. If you want to cater to the rare "gamer girl" then you just make games designed to cator toward the typical masculin audiance and the tomboy girls will like it. The tumblr audience doesn't really play video games.

>>15377710

>gender

Sex differences, anon. Sex.

>>15377885

I'm trying to design an action rpg where you kill monsters by luring them into a trap made by farming some flowers in the middle of the combat.

>>15377912

they sure are hardcore about what women naturally enjoy, they love things like mexican soap operas, korea dramas, shojos, twilight, shades of gray, but as usual, most males will dismiss it as pointless vague and shallow entertainment.

there's plenty of money to be made on girls games, like candy crush made a billion dollars and is a female game.

>>15377870

>>15377926

Let me respate this. Noraml women inhernety like things that are Masculin, this is why you will see a boat load of hot women at a heavy metal concert. Theirfore if you want women to be attracted to your product then you must attract the strong men first. Women fallow, men lead. If you cator to women then you will end up with something vapid and milktoast that attracts nobody of real value and the mentaly ill.

>>15377926

That's a pretty good idea, protecting is a maternal instinct so a combat game focused on defense seems like it would be more appealing to women. Now that I think of it a lot of the women I know really enjoyed Plants vs Zombies when that was a thing.

>>15377931

I am confused by your terrible spelling but otherwise solid sentence fluency and vocabulary. Are you drunk?

>>15377931

I already gave you examples of stuff women love, but is always about drama and social stuff.

the study already makes clear some guidelines about what a game would need to appeal to women, mainly things like appeal to their motherhood insticts, fantasy, ambience, music, social interaction, no competitive, not about physical reflexes nor very punisher and also about creativity.

It doesn't mean is an inferior type of games, is just that right now is a complete radical diferent way of approaching game design.

>>15377942

yeah, I'm so interested into making games for girls I don't even find male hardcore games to be interesting at all.

right now I have plenty of ideas about settings that normally aren't important in games.

So far here's some of my ideas:

>A fantasy vet game

>A game about being a white mage

>A game about being a WWI war nurse

>A game about harvesting stuff to make items to sell in a shop

So far, all compelling unique games ideas I was able to think when I started to focus on what women would enjoy.

>>15377966

The graphs are pretty terrible in every way, you're right that they have no business being line graphs, they waste a bunch of space, and there's no units to give you a frame of reference for how things are measured. If a graph with 4 data points can't convey at least some useful information without context then it isn't useful, you might as well just list the 4 numbers.

>>15377710

why is that graph done in lines rather than columns, when only the end points of those lines matter? There is nothing between "male" and "female" so any amount shown by the lines at any point except the end point makes no sense whatsoever.

>>15377833

MMO bejeweled/farmville

>>15377942

I'm dyslexic, and it takes me too long to notice misused words errors depending on how focused I am. Often the wrong word is due to a lazy abuse of spellcheck. To catch everything without the ability to edit is a pain in the neck because I tend to resort to speed reading tactics so if the word looks generally correct I am more likely to overlook the error.

>>15377960

Yes but you are misunderstanding female nature when you approach the issue of what women like through the lens of game design. Women generally don't like games (qua games), so when you set out to make a "video game", you are categorically misdirecting your efforts. Instead, focus on interactive media. Yes, there are outliers to every general trend but what the female outliers enjoy is typically those games that are also popular to the general male audience, but for a different reason. For example, many Women may love Devil May Cry because Dante is hot and because all the cool kids like Devil May Cry. Women like being apart of the cool kids club, so if you make cool games there will be attention whores who latch onto it to get attention from men.

>>15378009

I'm not trying to appeal to "gamer gurls" posers, but average small little girls or teens.

>>15377995

Yes, they should be box plots. But do you really expect sociologists to understand statistics?

>>15378009

>I'm dyslexic

Fgoagt

>>15377710

> powerpoint line graphs

Those should be solid points or boxes. In each case: have some other important research:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322530755_Analysis_and_Qualitative_Effects_of_Large_Breasts_on_Aerodynamic_Performance_and_Wake_of_a_Miss_Kobayashi%27s_Dragon_Maid_Character

>>15378016

Then make a facebook "game" where you dress up a doll, candy crush or a Farmville clone. Women like character creation, and avatar generators. Average little girls likes playing house and things that are cute and comfortable. The video games the average girl may play is your typical couch co-operative to get along with their brothers, but their inclination is not to want to play if left to their own devices. In other words, the per pressure of playing with friends and family is the motivator, not the game in and of itself. What I am saying is you want to create something that doesn't exist. Women inherently don't like video games.

>>15378021

that's not how it works, but here is your (you).

>>15377771

Hypothesis based on previous evidence

aka assumptions

> Men like complex competitive games, women like simple games that don't require a large time/effort commitment to succeed

> Girls enjoyed playing stuff other than casual shit when given the chance

> Girls like indirect competition rather than head to head conflict just like in real life and violence

> Girls enjoy virtual dress up. They strongly prefer to play as girls in game.

> Women strongly prefer games that feature a social aspect as well as games that feature presumably romantic relationships between in game characters.

> Girls like games that are comedic.

> Women like games with plenty of choice for the player to engage in side activities rather than directly linear games with a singular attainable goal.

> Women like interactive stories more than men

Results

If it isn't contradicted here then hypothesis is probably correct

> Women like attractive character avatars in general but get slightly butthurt by sexy female avatars. probably because of innate homophobia, of course they probably chalk it up to MISOGYNY!! I notice they make zero effort to show an equal reaction in men with sexualized male avatars

> Male casuals don't give a shit about avatar customization. Pretty much all other types do: male core, female casuals, female core.

> Everyone likes comedic games

> Men like relationships between virtual characters significantly more than women.

> Female casuals are the only ones who actually dislike side activities

> Men like story rich games more than women

>>15378111

>homophobia

that is a fictional pathology, a more probable explanation for why women hate sexy females because they are caddy and jealous.

>>15377710

What the fuck are these graphs? Why are they line graphs?

>>15378424

Telltale games makes games for women.

>>15377710

i'm 38% male and i find this graph shit because my mean is 5 in both of those

>>15377710

>>15378479

I could see that, but I haven't payed much attention to Telltale games since they fucked up the Sam & Max games. Which was pretty much right out of the gate, since that was one of their first that I remember. So I couldn't really say from personal experience how many women play their games. They used to be pretty thick on the old Sierra and LucasArts forums.

Can you even consider modern Telltale games as adventures in the classic sense? Do they still focus on item-based puzzle solving, or are they all choose your own adventure stories in a 3d render?

>>15377710

>I was trying to learn about gender diferences in gaming and I came across this study.

Women don't play games. The end.

>>15378546

The most "recent" of their games I played was the The Wolf Among Us series because I was into Fables back then. You're constantly pushed towards the "solution" by an invisible hand. The game is linear with no option to revisit previous areas. I think there were a few branching paths but they formed a diamond path in the end.

By my experience, I would not call any of their games adventure in the classic sense. It's more like watching a TV show where you can have the tiniest of influence on the protagonist's choice of words. There is no consequence.

This might be an extreme example but in the first episode of that game, you had the option to punch someone who deserved a little comeuppance but you can also go way overboard and rip his arm off in a bloody display as well. Everyone on the scene is put off by this and give you weird looks but there's absolutely no consequence.

>>15377856

>in a debate, hearsay or opinions have no real weight

Studies and statistics have no weight or bearing to women or SJW "men", either. One look at 'current year' identity politics is more than enough to determine that. They mindlessly dismiss these studies as bigotry, misogyny, racism, etc.

>>15377966

I'm guessing they just had data plots for men and women and arbitrarily connected those with a line because muh spectrum

>>15377710

I think the best insight from this is how much more susceptible to spectacle casuals are.