c8669c No.15323741
Doom 3 is an underappreciated game. No it wasn't as amazing as it should have been but a horror Doom game was a great idea and the game was still good despite its flaws. It is better than the NuDoom reboot games that people seem to imagine is closer in spirit to the classic games despite NuDoom being a big slap in the face to the classic games in actuality. NuDoom was clearly aggressively marketed by Bethesda as well making the games more obnoxiously intolerable for existing. I would have really liked to seen another horror Doom game. It could have been done even better than before since they would have known what didn't work as well in Doom 3. With all that said though, Doom 64 did pull off the concept better despite it being on more dated hardware.
What do you guys think? Would you also have liked to see how another horror Doom game could have been? Or were you satisfied with NuDoom? Perhaps you just wanted the series to stay dead thanks to Bethesda owning id?
aae2c6 No.15323763
slow and clunky horror with shit combat is less preferable to combat where you can actually move around at your own space and at least somewhat feel like you're being a pro once you understand the weapon switching glitch
c8669c No.15323780
>>15323763
You can do this in Doom 64. Doom 64 plays pretty much just like the original games just with a stronger emphasis on the horror themes. Its especially playable with the PC EX port. They easily could have made a new Doom with faster gameplay while retaining much of the atmosphere from 3. In fact its not like the game is slow paced.
c8669c No.15323796
>>15323788
>with no RPG elements
I am glad it had no RPG elements. I didn't want to play a SS2 clone. Not that I knew of the game back then anyways. RPG elements are a cancer that is killing so many games since everything feels the need to force it to some degree. Even if it means RPG elements as deep as a puddle.
8a29db No.15323843
>>15323741
No, fuck you. Doom 3 was godawful. It's even slower than NuDoom and the weapons feel and sound like peashooter. Also, the plot is shittier, and the enemy encounters basically boil down to "pick up item and get jumped from behind by an imp".
>>15323796
It would have worked much better as an SS2 clone than it did as a shooter. The atmosphere and general pace of combat are much more suited to survival horror than they are to an FPS.
45719e No.15323882
Fuck off with your constant doom threads, you autistic fuck.
39a905 No.15323913
>>15323788
>with no RPG elements
You say that like it's a bad thing. The only System Shock thing about DOOM 3 was the audio logs, it felt much more like it was taking after Half Life than anything else. As a DOOM styled HL I thought it was pretty good, the main problem I had was that enemies took too long to teleport in which allowed you to run up and kill them before they could fight back in many situations, I also would have liked for the amount of ammo you find to be cut in half. The flashlight never bothered me, I found it to be a pretty interesting way to make you feel vulnerable in a game that gives you a chaingun and rocket launcher.
39a905 No.15323941
>>15323928
You're whining about a lack of RPG elements in DOOM. Listen to yourself, you are so desperate to complain about something that you've disregarded making any sense whatsoever. Do you have a vagina perhaps?
c8669c No.15324037
>>15323990
>>15323928
Your argument is stupid because you could have also simply said that Doom 3 could have been improved with better shooting gameplay. Instead though you wanted to insert your belief onto people about how the game would have been better off having RPG mechanics. Which is ridiculous since RPG mechanics is a far departure from what Doom is about. And before you say it, no horror elements are not that far off at all since the original games are loaded with horror themes. They just weren't horror games.
>>15323990
>Doom 3 isn't Doom
Neither is NuDoom then.
39a905 No.15324044
>>15323990
>Likes RPGs yet whines about bad combat
>tediously having to stop everything, fuck immersion and increase pointless stats would clearly make the game better
>Having combat based around stats instead of weapon switching would make the game better
I highly fucking doubt you even played DOOM 3, the incredibly vague nature of your posts makes me feel like you're just regurgitating a popular opinion for brownie points. I fail to see how DOOM 3 isn't DOOM, would you mind actually going in depth instead of just licking the hiveminds anus?
8a29db No.15324047
>>15324037
>with better shooting gameplay
And a complete redesign of the encounters and maps, and a faster pace, and better enemy designs, and on it goes.
Doom 3 is a bad game, and an especially bad Doom game.
>Neither is NuDoom then.
No one claimed otherwise. It's still a better game than Doom 3 though.
7c7132 No.15324059
Doom 3 managed to boil down Doom's core shooting Mechanics (Different weapons for different situations, and enemy management) into a much slower and more condense package;
Narrow hallways restricting movement and putting more of the focus on managing space and resources.
Doom 3 gets a lot of flack, but a lot of what made DOOM 1 and 2 is still there.
c8669c No.15324072
39a905 No.15324081
>>15324047
>More vague bullshit
Why do you expect anyone to take you seriously?
>>15324059
Why can't anyone who is hating on DOOM 3 in this thread explain themselves like this post? Could it be that they haven't actually played it?
c8669c No.15324090
>>15324077
Greentexting and posting meme pictures doesn't take away from the point.
8a29db No.15324109
>>15324081
>More vague bullshit
Yeah, you got fuckall to contribute.
16d5df No.15324133
>>15323913
RoE did try to have generally bigger fights, but most of D3's enemies are designed as close-range ambushers so you usually end up with an encounter that poses no real threat but which takes half of your ammo to kill. You'd need to redesign both the enemies and the levels in order for D3 to have good action.
5c3ac6 No.15324175
Doom3 and nuDoom are both shit for very different reasons. But Doom3 is better because it can be modded and the engine was given to the community so in that sense it's more of a Doom game than nuDoom will ever be. It's going to live on much longer thanks to that.
>>15324090
There are review sites created simply to increase the scores of games from certain brands on metacritic. Almost every major company out there does it and Polygon was exposed for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRNAQseuec
https://archive.fo/Yfmti
442b02 No.15324181
>>15324090
What point are you trying to make? Detroit: Become Human has an 8.8 but that doesn't make it a good game.
95886c No.15324184
I haven't even played doom 2016 but I know it's better than doom 3. Stop trying to meme it up, doom 3 is god awful and will never be retroactively good.
2b231d No.15324201
I agree that Doom 3 was good as a horror game yet bad as a Doom game yet as anon >>15324081 said no one is trying to critcize the game they only shit on constantly. I am also not knowledgeable about the older Doom games, but I'd really appreciate it if someone came and laid the cons and pros of the game in a constructive manner instead of just shitposting.
I wish FPS anon would show up and actually give a justified analysis of why Doom 3 should be considered a shitty game, after all, don't we want to increase our critical thinking and our reasoning in order to refine our tastes?
1b8885 No.15324209
>>15324090
>Greentexting and posting meme pictures doesn't take away from the point.
Since you are underage and from cuckchan, metacritic reviews are fixed.
95886c No.15324217
>>15324201
Sure, I'll do it when I get home.
c8479f No.15324218
Doom Eternal looks great, it has the best music for any current western game, as in both well-done and extremely fitting. They even added Dark Souls invasion. The fast pace, aggressive visuals, aggressive music and the attack on political correctness all give this game an aura of manliness that comes rare these days. Maybe, just maybe, this marks the end of the good game drought days of 2009 in the western game market.
8a29db No.15324260
>>15324201
>no one is trying to critcize the game
Plenty of people have already talked about the level and enemy design, the underpowered weapons and the general pace of the game you illiterate, disingenuous shit.
eedc45 No.15324263
>>15324037
I'm saying that ID wanted to make System Shock but flipped flopped.
>Neither is NuDoom
Nigger when did I disagree
>>15324044
>Linear levels
>Shotguns that only work well at close range
>Slow movement speed
>Focused more on horror than action
>Piss poor weapon sounds
>Annoying as shit enemy types
>Hitscan enemies everywhere
>Extremely low enemy count and encounter variety
>Corpses dissapear
It's a shit Doom game and a mediocre game on it's own.
RPG elements would at least give some depth to the combat which is nothing but either rushing the enemy or circle strafing without the satisfying gunplay of the original games.
>>15324201
Doom 3 has been criticized thousands of times and extensively
Here and outside of here, it was a massively shilled game with a decent engine, nothing else.
>>15324218
>Actually using Dark Souls Invasion as a positive for NuDoom 2 Electric Boogaloo
Fuckoff Hines
448891 No.15324265
Doom 3 is an enjoyable game the same way–
Actually I have nothing to compare it to, on it's own it's decent, but it's the type of game you play to play, there's ultimately nothing memorable about it but I like the aesthetics. >>15324218
>Doom Eternal looks good
>He fell for the pandering meme
Wait until it comes out. I guarantee you'll have a change of mind.
8a29db No.15324271
>>15324265
>I guarantee you'll have a change of mind.
It looks just like NuDoom with a few more gimmicks, and I had fun with NuDoom, certainly more than with the frustrating shitshow that Doom 3 was.
448891 No.15324282
>>15324271
NuDoom managed to downgrade the original Doom gameplay yet somehow kept it original enough to make it boring. Personally I had more fun using Doom 3 as a jiggling key. NuDoom Eternal will fuck it up one way or another.
8a29db No.15324295
>>15324282
>yet somehow kept it original enough to make it boring
I have no fucking idea what you're trying to say here.
>Personally I had more fun using Doom 3 as a jiggling key
Yeah, all those hitscan enemies, enemies behind doors that will maul you as soon as you open them, enemies that teleport behind you as soon as you pick up an item or get placed in some dark corner sure are fucking fun.
NuDoom isn't a particularly good game, but it's better than Doom 3 by leaps and bounds.
448891 No.15324307
>>15324295
Doom eventually got boring for me, around level 3 it was just tedious and I forced myself to finish it. NuDoom does a good job of recreating that, in a bad way, and changed enough to make it even worse than the originals.
>Yeah, all those hitscan enemies, enemies behind doors that will maul you as soon as you open them, enemies that teleport behind you as soon as you pick up an item or get placed in some dark corner sure are fucking fun.
For the most part I found this fun. Doom 3 is the type of game you can't take seriously to enjoy. Like Sam Rami's Spiderman movies.
>NuDoom isn't a particularly good game, but it's better than Doom 3 by leaps and bounds.
At this point I think that debate it left up subjectively.
b0ca1c No.15324314
>>15323741
>Doom 3 is an underappreciated game
>the game was still good despite its flaws.
nigger, just go play the OG Prey if you want a decent game on id Tech 4
1b8885 No.15324323
>>15324260
That and the game feels too slow.
f34468 No.15324325
448891 No.15324330
>>15324315
After ep 2 there was nothing new through the entire game to keep me entertained, at that point I just kept playing out of necessity to complete it, admittedly speaking Doom without constant updates gets old quick.
448891 No.15324333
>>15324330
Which is why Quake is the superior game I forgot to add.
8a29db No.15324335
>>15324307
>Doom eventually got boring for me
>around level 3
Just go back. Just go back and never return.
448891 No.15324342
>>15324335
Go back to Cuckchan nigger, anyone with taste knows both 1 and 2 had multiple flaws it's even been talked about here, after defeating the Cyberdemon it goes to complete shit only tryhards trying to look like they know anything claim otherwise.
8a29db No.15324344
>>15324342
>1 and 2 are shit
>but 3 is a masterpiece
Just fuck off you clown.
39a905 No.15324348
>>15324335
Absolutely everything about your posts screams trying to fit in way too hard.
448891 No.15324353
>>15324344
>but 3 is a masterpiece
You illiterate nigger where the fuck did I say that Doom 3 was a masterpiece.
>1 and 2 are shit
1 and 2 had multiple flaws and I exaggerated when I called 1 shit, it just objectively went down hill from the moment the 2nd episode ends.
39a905 No.15324356
>>15324350
Yes that's why I'm defending DOOM 3 despite the consensus here being that it's shit, nice room temperature IQ you've got there.
8fbca3 No.15324360
seems pretty fun to me
the monster closets keep you on your toes, and that's something that was in doom anyway!
8a29db No.15324361
>>15324353
>and I exaggerated when I called 1 shit
Oh, so now you backpedal?
>it just objectively went down hill from the moment the 2nd episode ends
Wasn't it the third level? Are you sure you even finished the game?
>>15324356
>I'm defending DOOM 3 despite the consensus here being that it's shit
We know you're an idiot, no need to remind us.
d75126 No.15324367
>>15324265
Adrian Carmack did a great job with the art design. He's always been really talented and despite Doom 3 being what it is, it's commendable that it compliments and works in its own way independent of what the original games did visually. The tech, art, and art teams work should be praised as those are the parts that still stand up in Doom 3 magnificently. Like everything Tim Willits did as lead, it was pretty boring to play.
39a905 No.15324368
>>15324361
Jesus fucking christ I can tell how non-white you are from your absolute failure at reading comprehension and inability to use terms such as projecting properly. So what flavor of shitskin are you specifially? Mystery meat perhaps?
9e99a5 No.15324369
>There are people with so little critical sense and individual opinion that they are going as far as turning on their bitch heels to praise the pile of dogshit peek-a-boo slugfest that was doom 3 just because nudoom exists
I wish I could reach out and choke the fuck out of you niggers.
448891 No.15324371
>>15324361
>Oh, so now you backpedal?
No I wouldn't have continued playing if it was shit. My posting style consists of being deliberately angry partially as bait partially as truth.
>Wasn't it the third level?
Yes that what 3rd level means. The moment you end episode 2 killing the Cyberdemon, Level 3 starts, you should be able to grasp what I'm talking about here.
>Are you sure you even finished the game?
Yes I remember killing the Mastermind, it was in the updated version with the wood castle not the stone arena, and I remember feeling tired and sore, not even celebratory, just tired.
8a29db No.15324376
>>15324368
Mate, you're the mouthbreathing cum guzzler that was screeching at everyone they were only saying "vague bullshit" when people repeatedly listed Doom 3's faults and then valiantly jumped to defend the fuckwit that thinks Doom 1 and 2 are bad games.
Not my fault I take joy in mocking subhumans you like two.
>>15324371
>The moment you end episode 2 killing the Cyberdemon, Level 3 starts
I find it quite amazing that not only are you now trying to invent new meanings for words, but that you somehow manage to fuck it up in the same sentence. If you weren't a complete and utter idiot you could have just claimed that you wrote level instead of episode, but here you are, doubling down on the stupid.
448891 No.15324387
>>15324376
Okay yes it was my mistake accidentally writing Level before but my point was you could have pieced together what I was trying to say. I never considered Doom as having Levels just Episodes which is why I used the two terms interchangeably.
You still never told me why you think Doom 1 and 2 are exempt from criticism.
8a29db No.15324391
>>15324387
>but my point was you could have pieced together what I was trying to say
No, I couldn't, because "level" is not "episode". It's not my fault English is too difficult for you.
>I never considered Doom as having Levels
Please, please, just shut the fuck up already. You've embarrassed yourself enough. Doom has both levels and episodes you retard.
>You still never told me why you think Doom 1 and 2 are exempt from criticism.
I never said anything like that, I was just mocking you for saying Doom 3 was the better game.
39a905 No.15324396
>>15324376
The frothing at the mouth need to conform also bolsters my suspicions that you are non-white. Are you a hue-monkey perhaps? The inability to buy a PC capable of running DOOM 3 would result in a "sour grapes" mentality thus justifying your hatred of a game you cannot play.
>defend the fuckwit that thinks Doom 1 and 2 are bad games.
Uh-Oh, how unfortunate, you are not well versed in the consensus of the DOOM community well enough to realize that DOOM 2 is generally regarded as shit due to the godawful level design, annoying new enemy types and broken as fuck super shotgun ruining everything. You've failed at sucking up to the hivemind, better luck next time shit for brains and skin. One day when you finally get your act together you may be considered an honorary white, but today is not that day. Also episode 3 of DOOM 1 was dull as hell and 4 was an absolute clusterfuck.
Also here's a definition of vague. Your racial handicap will prevent you from comprehending it properly like a white man can, but if you read it real slow then you may make some progress in understanding basic english.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vague
448891 No.15324401
>>15324391
>I never said anything like that, I was just mocking you for saying Doom 3 was the better game
And I said that wasn't my problem here, you asked me why NuDoom was shit in my opinion, I explained it kept all the negative aspects of the originals while making it worse, then you sperged out on me, looking at your ID history I don't think there's been a single person in the entire thread as assmad as you about Doom 3, you outright attacked everyone who replied to you even if they weren't even talking about Doom 3 anymore.
>Doom has both levels and episodes you retard.
Hey dipshit I said I never considered them levels, the game is divided into 4 episodes and was quick enough to never keep you on a level for any more than 45 minutes. I didn't consider them levels because of that, I considered them different parts of levels.
86bfcf No.15324416
>>15323741
The main thing I hated about Doom 3 was the fact that the story slowed things down way too much. I just wanted to kill demons. That's it. NuDoom's guilty of this as well, but between the two games the latter did a better job at storytelling.
8a29db No.15324424
>>15324396
>also bolsters my suspicions that you are non-white
>several posts screeching about other people being Jews or shitskins
>when replied in kind gets upset and keeps screeching racial slurs
Hilarious. The only one getting upset here is you porch monkey.
>The inability to buy a PC capable of running DOOM 3 would result in a "sour grapes" mentality thus justifying your hatred of a game you cannot play.
Are you a time traveler or something? Or are you actually a shitskin projecting very hard and actually think Doom 3 is somehow difficult to run in the present?
>you are not well versed in the consensus of the DOOM community
And I give a shit about the opinions of the Doom community why exactly? Oh, no, I know, you're a cuck that hasn't anything to argue with so you have to resort to argumentum ad populum in a pathetic attempt to avoid further embarrassment.
>as shit due to the godawful level design, annoying new enemy types
If Doom 2 is guilty of this then Doom 3 is ten times worse in that regard.
39a905 No.15324427
>>15324391
Everyone understood what he was saying except you and that is a result of your lack of European DNA.
>I was just mocking you for saying Doom 3 was the better game.
Oh hey, would you look at that, he NEVER said that, yet you mock his mild mistake when your reading comprehension is a truly special kind of absolutely horrid. This is why you don't race mix and why we need to IP range ban everyone who isn't from a predominantly white country.
448891 No.15324429
>>15324427
Don't defend me or else he'll accuse us of samefagging or some retarded shit.
00265b No.15324430
>>15323741
I still play sourceports once a week or so and I've been playing Doom on and off since it came out. So with that kind of experience behind me, let me say this: you are a gigantic faggot who doesn't know a god damn thing about anything.
NuDoom is gay, but Doom 3 wasn't even Doom at all.
8a29db No.15324432
>>15324427
Man, you're pretty mad. Are you okay?
>>15324429
He's just gay for you because you're such a monumental faggot.
448891 No.15324439
>>15324432
>Man, you're pretty mad. Are you okay?
>Says the same man who entered the thread and the first thing he said was "No, fuck you."
>The same man who spent an hour of his life on this thread screaming loudly to try and personally attack anyone who slightly disagrees with him.
He was right, you are trying too hard to fit in.
8a29db No.15324443
>>15324439
>to try and personally attack anyone who slightly disagrees with him
But I merely pointed out your mistakes and then insulted you. Not my fault you're one of those sensitive faggots, on top of not knowing how to communicate in English.
448891 No.15324451
>>15324443
>Oh what's that? In your opinion Doom 3 is a slightly better game than NuDoom? Better use something you said that wasn't a part of the topic as ad hominem to make me look better.
You pointed out a grammatical error, the rest was you loudly screeching like the autist you are.
8a29db No.15324459
>>15324451
You two are really upset I keep mocking your shit opinions. Doom 3 is a shit game, Doom 1 and 2 are good games, NuDoom is a mediocre game that still manages to be better than Doom 3.
You're both cretins, him for thinking calling people Jews or shitskin actually bothers anyone, and you for not knowing the meaning of words and having shit opinions.
7df339 No.15324469
>>15324307
You sure are pretty invested in this thread for someone that doesn't seem to particularly enjoy a single entry in the series all that much.
448891 No.15324471
>>15324459
>Doom 3 is a shit game
Yes
>Doom 1 and 2 are good games
Yes
>NuDoom is a mediocre game that still manages to be better than Doom 3.
At this point it doesn't matter.
>him for thinking calling people Jews or shitskin actually bothers anyone,
You did the same thing retard.
>for not knowing the meaning of words and having shit opinions.
>Not knowing the meaning of words
I'm not typing that out again, reread the thread otherwise you've reached denial levels that shouldn't even be possible.
89b701 No.15324480
Why do you guys hate nudoom so much? I was thinking of pirating it before the summer ends.
448891 No.15324487
>>15324469
Don't believe 8a, I never said I didn't enjoy them otherwise I wouldn't have bought and played Doom 1-3, and the Quake series as well. My point is that Doom 1 and 2 were not exempt from criticism which he made out to look like I hated them to try and demonize me over Doom 3.
>>15324472
>2 faggots actually trying to make the argument that Doom 3 is somehow better than the first two, on this fucking board.
>Doom 3 is better than the first two
This isn't even putting words in my mouth anymore this is just outright retardation. The other guy already left and I will too besides I don't even have a vpn with me right now and if I did I wouldn't be able to samefag that quick.
8a29db No.15324492
>>15324471
>You did the same thing retard.
And? Do you honestly think anyone here but you and the other fruitcake take insults this personally? This is how I actually know you're new here, you actually think I should, for some strange reason, show respect to you despite think you're a mouthbreathing troglodyte.
>reread the thread
And then what? See you calling an episode a level and call you a fuckwit a few more times? Do you actually enjoy being insulted?
>>15324480
Other than the twin imbeciles nobody hates NuDoom much, other than having Doom in the title. It's a perfectly serviceable FPS.
>>15324487
>The other guy already left and I will too
Oh, thank God. I was fearing you were too dumb to understand when you're not welcome.
1f5d77 No.15324493
>n-nudoom is a buttur gaym!
>itt: bethshills trying to "fit" in
As shit as Doom 3 was, NuDoom is fucking worse. It is exactly the same as Fallout 4. It tries too hard to be something that it isn't and ends up as a cluttered mess created by amateur kike devs solely for the money.
Why can't the bethshits just leave?
8a29db No.15324495
>>15324493
>As shit as Doom 3 was, NuDoom is fucking worse
Feel free to elaborate.
d75126 No.15324501
>>15324201
> but I'd really appreciate it if someone came and laid the cons and pros of the game in a constructive manner instead of just shitposting.
Like I said, I'm home now. I just beat episode 2 of Doom and it's probably my most played game in my life.
Doom does a lot of things right that it seems almost effortless at times and in some cases drops the ball and forces you to backtrack, has empty rooms with just a bunch of monsters in it and at times even no items, a lot of maze-like sections that have you switching between your map and back to determine areas yet explored, and isn't afraid to play a nasty trick or two on you such as taking a random teleporter and dropping you in close quarters room with two pinky demons and a floor of lava with no warning. I'm fond of this but I can see why others might not like it.
What's really standing out to me in my latest playthrough is how much of Doom is purely optional. If you know were you're going and aren't exploring to progress, you can skip massive chunks of the levels. The way they incentivize/reward this varies and it's done better in some cases, worse in others, but it's not really a flaw with how it's handled. A lot of the times the important areas in a level can barely consist of the majority, or even be less than the majority of the level. It's hard to find another game like this, even the games it's praised with such as Quake and Duke3D don't really do this amount of purely optional stuff. The levels are generally designed well and you won't always be doing a lot of back tracking, occasionally it does happen and the designer poorly looped the level around so it's a mild tedium traveling backwards.
The weapons are solid but apart from the shotgun you're not going to be using them too much, either due to scarcity of ammo or not wanting to be caught with your pants down with a rocket launcher and a room full of lost souls. This can make combat feel like a major slog, you might be dumped into grinding down a cacodemon with a shotgun because you'd rather save your rockets for a baron of hell. As nice as the shotgun is it definitely wears its welcome as early as the first episode, leaving you straining for more chaingun ammo instead. Overall though, there really isn't a series of shooters like it. Doom 2 has its own unique quirks such as levels that are too scattershot and disconnected to be fun, a supershotgun which reduces the tedium but sort of replaces almost every other gun, and some questionable new enemies. It's the lesser game but it's not a night and day difference in quality, If Doom is 94% good, Doom 2 is 88% good, small difference.
Episode 3 is next on my refresher course and I personally feel episode 4 has some of the best levels in the series.
>>15324480
Because it's one of those games you aren't supposed to like. I haven't played it but I'd like to one of these days.
39a905 No.15324503
>>15324424
>several posts screeching about other people being Jews
Did you just huff jenkem or some other nigger drug and are hallucinating? I never mentioned jews a single time.
>actually think Doom 3 is somehow difficult to run in the present?
Good god the failure of reading comprehension is severe with this one. This was in reference to primarily shitskin countries only having access to appropriately shit tier PCs and no money, hence why they primarily play using older consoles like the master system, free to play garbage and easily pirated old games. You are the only one who was incapable of comprehending this, you are also the only one in this thread who is not white, this is not a coincidence.
>so you have to resort to argumentum ad populum
Sub 80 IQ gorilla nigger 100% confirmed. This was not shaming you for not comforming to the DOOM community but instead mocking you for trying to conform and falling on your ass like the uncoordinated overcooked monkey that you are. How do you fail this bad at comprehension? How do mock other people for english mistakes when you can't even follow a basic conversation properly and make up shit that was never even said?
>If Doom 2 is guilty of this then Doom 3 is ten times worse in that regard
Hell no, DOOM 3s level design has a very clear direction in mind and plays very smoothly as they used Half Life for a blueprint. DOOM 2 on the otherhand is a nonsensical mess that throws out even the most basic guidelines for proper level design in favor of a more experimental approach that failed miserably in every way. Could the reason why you really like DOOM 2 so much be the super shotgun? Only having to use one weapon the entire game is incredibly simple and thus much more palatable to your inferior chimp brain.
7df339 No.15324506
>>15324487
>Doom eventually got boring for me, around level 3 it was just tedious and I forced myself to finish it.
>>Doom 3 is a shit game
>Yes
>NuDoom managed to downgrade the original Doom gameplay
???
Sure sounds like you don't really have any interest in the series to me.
448891 No.15324507
>>15324492
>Do you honestly think anyone here but you and the other fruitcake take insults this personally?
I don't if I did I could have left a long time ago and stopped laughing at you retardation.
>Oh, thank God. I was fearing you were too dumb to understand when you're not welcome.
No matter how many cuckchanners such as yourself overrun 8chan you'll never own it, you're parasites killing it, you dying with it still doesn't make it your imageboard.
Enjoy staying behind though, I'll look forward to coming back 9 hours from now and laugh at you and your temper tantrum 8a.
8a29db No.15324522
>>15324501
I think it's important to separate Doom's gameplay from the level design. id can be forgiven for lapses in the later because they were mostly going into uncharted ground with Doom 1 and 2. You can see how flexible the gameplay is when playing a myriad of fanmade wads.
On the other hand Doom 3 falls apart as soon as you remove the narrow, dark corridors, since the whole game was built around such an environment.
>but apart from the shotgun you're not going to be using them too much
I disagree. Sure, the shotgun is your workhorse, but that, again, has a lot to do with level design (specifically, the item placement) since levels are peppered with shotgun ammo. That being said each weapon has a unique purpose, and I never particularly worried about hoarding ammo since the game does try and give you what you need depending on enemy encounters. What I can criticize is the fact that the fist and pistol are completely pointless weapons and should never have been in the game to begin with.
39a905 No.15324525
>>15324472
>2 faggots actually trying to make the argument that Doom 3 is somehow better than the first two, on this fucking board.
At no point was that ever even implied. This is your brain on common core education.
>They haven't replied to my criticisms as well
I already mocked you for saying that DOOM 3 would be better with RPG elements despite you also shitting on it for not being enough like the first two.
d75126 No.15324543
>>15324522
I made ample use of the fist whenever I got a berserker pack in a level. It became a nice change of pace and good way to clear pinky demons/specters and anything weaker. Also because I find the chainsaw noise grating.
>has a lot to do with level design (specifically, the item placement) since levels are peppered with shotgun ammo.
this was my problem with it. Whenever I'd have 200 or so chain gun rounds, clear a few low-tier enemies with it, I'd find I would have so little left and have to resort to my 100 shotgun shells precisely because they put so much more shells than any other kind of ammo.
39a905 No.15324544
>>15324492
>Other than the twin imbeciles nobody hates NuDoom much,
Definitive proof that you are new here. It has been shat on whenever mentioned for being YET ANOTHER braindead mob shooter like Painkiller and Serious Sam where they claim to be true oldschool games despite having extremely simple and linear level design and a focus on arena battles where you cannot progress until you kill all the enemies in the area to continue. The combat encounters are primarily focused on tossing a ton of popcorn trash enemies your way to make you feel like a big boy instead of carefully placing enemies in good positions and mixing enemy types in a way that flows well. It's the exact same shit as those other games just influenced by brutal doom and carrying the DOOM name, causing dipshits to defend it via brand loyalty.
39a905 No.15324564
>>15324514
>At least the Chaingunner is the only addition to the shitscan and even with it it still doesn't beat Doom 3 which is full of them.
I guarantee that if we did a headcount of hitscanner enemies in DOOM 1,2 and 3 that 3 would come in dead last.
39a905 No.15324599
>>15324571
I DID say DOOM 2 is shit but here's the thing you shitsucking retard, me saying DOOM 2 is shit doesn't mean I said that DOOM 3 was better. Basic english. Basic reading comprehension. Jesus fucking christ where did you people come from? Posts of a quality this low were not prevalent 3 years ago.
>>15324579
>when you can easily avoid the hitscan behind cover unlike Doom 3
There is plenty of cover to avoid hitscan enemies in DOOM 3 actually, that's part of the more modern shooter influence of its level design.
>in which the enemies do shittons of damage and are, on top of that bulletsponges?
ONE grenade wipes out several of them at once. That's literally all you need. Holy shit, did you seriously just sit there plinking away at them with weak ass weapons and never not even ONCE think to switch to a different more efficient strategy? You've got to be fucking kidding me. That's pure unabashed nigger tier logic, you've been exposed as a non-white.
93520c No.15324638
Doom 3 was terrible in every way possible except graphics. NuDoom was mediocre in many ways, but it still has a lot more depth than Doom 3 and far less boring to play. Only turboautist contrarians would say the otherwise.
>>15323928
>>15323941
The point is Doom 3 has terrible and shallow combat even though it's not even an RPG.
8a29db No.15324665
>>15324571
The really sad thing is that they can't even grasp why people think Doom 3 with an RPG system like SS2 would be better, likely because they have never played SS2.
SS2 has terrible fucking combat, but since there's so many more gameplay mechanics at work it's not so obvious, nor so detrimental to the overall experience. Doom 3 already had many elements that would have made it a good fit for more complex gameplay (especially the slower pace). Alas, as it is the game fails to be a shooter or a survival horror game.
39a905 No.15324674
>>15324623
>Doom 2 can't be shit
So you're on record as enjoying Romero and Petersons half assed experiments they shat out in less than a week for a quick buck. Just throwing that out there.
>Yeah, right back the way you came from
In the room they are in actually, but if there wasn't are you really so dense that you can't even comprehend kiting enemies? Even braindead WoWshitters understand this concept.
>You mean the retarded jumping grenades that barely function properly?
You're so fucking stupid you can't even operate grenades properly. Fucking shitskins man. You judge the distance between you and the enemy, point upwards to give it a proper arc and then toss it, which then results in the "bullet sponge" enemies being taken down instantly on impact. This is not difficult to figure out in the slightest. Your mom banging niggers while she was pregnant with you did a serious number on your cognitive ability, goddamn.
>YOU'RE JUST HITTING WITH WITH SUCH WEAK WEAPONS AS THE PLASMA RIFLE AND THE ROCKET LAUNCHER AHAH
Congrats on putting words in my mouth because you know I'm right. I said grenades dipshit, not once did I ever mention the plasma rifle or rocket launcher. The main point of the grenades as a weapon is to take out the hitscanner enemies quickly, not attacking the higher tier enemies (which is what the plasma rifle and rocket launcher are actually for). Not only were you stupid enough to not comprehend using grenades against the hitscanners, you are also too fucking stupid to operate grenades properly and admitted as such. Pathetic. This is why you don't racemix.
39a905 No.15324774
>>15324726
>I'd rather just use actually enjoyable grenades that don't act and sound like toys and miss half of the time because they were poorly implemented into the game
>By standing right next to them so you can hit them while they hit you with their tentacle or their shotgun?
All you did here was further emphasize the fact that you're too fucking stupid to toss a grenade properly. They go exactly where you toss them.
>By standing right next to them
Or you do the non retarded thing and bounce them around corners to avoid damage entirely. I shouldn't have to explain the basics of grenade usage to you but that's just how it is with non-whites, you can't think for yourself at all, you need to be told exactly what to do and even then you still manage to fuck it up.
39a905 No.15324792
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15324774
I found a video with several grenade tosses in a row to drive my point in further. Skip to 40 seconds in to see just how absurdly easy it is to use grenades in this game and how 07c47c is desperately trying to blame the game for his lack of basic FPS skills.
c5b8b1 No.15324799
>>15324369
What else is new?
39a905 No.15324862
>>15324814
>They'll bounce around everywhere unless you directly throw them at enemies
Which is exaclty what you're supposed to do. So they hit the enemy if you throw it at them and bounce around if you miss, fantastic observation. If you don't want them bouncing around then maybe I don't know try throwing them directly at the enemies.
>barely have any AoE
I've frequently taken out three hitscanners at once with a single grenade, it has plenty of AoE.
>and due to the chaingunners speed they're completely useless.
Really because that's in stark contrast to my playthrough where they were extremely fucking useful, you're a lying sack of shit trying to mask the fact that grenade usage is too complex for your shitskin brain to figure out. There is enough chaingunner windup time for a grenade toss and like I said earlier you can toss them around corners.
>You sure proved me wrong
That I did.
>Doom 3 is an excellent game that everyone should play instead of Doom 2.
Again trying to shove words in my mouth because you lost an internet argument and got exposed as a braindead shitskin. It's not a big deal, life goes on.
d3d2a1 No.15324873
>>15323741
>a horror Doom game
doom is a horror game
where you play the horror
701b5c No.15325289
>>15324090
chans are full with autistic spergs who whine when someone from reality tells them they know shit (besides ther penis sucker (ps4) shit games)
listening to retards with shit taste
doom 3 was amazeballs. still is. nudumb is aids for muttlet kids with the iq of a cockroach.
ddb0c1 No.15325383
Doom > Doom 2/Doom 64 > Final Doom > NuDoom > Doom 3
5f9d76 No.15325414
ID tech 5 was impressive but Doom 3 in terms of gameplay is trash. As much as I hate Bethesdo and NuDoom's "Push Forward" / "Glory Kill" Combat it far better than a jumpscare monster closet survival horror.
93520c No.15325427
>>15325414
>Doom 3
>survival horror
It has neither survival or horror aspect. It's just a shit shooter.
5f9d76 No.15325450
>>15325427
regardles it attempts to be a survival horror
42f2e2 No.15325470
I've never been into Doom or shooters for that matter (I'm more of a RTS/Grand Strategy guy). I remember playing it back in the 90s but at that time I was too young to understand what the game meant for the industry and the impact it had. Anyway, I'd like to know what's the spirit of Doom? and how should it be "adapted" to the modern era.
Also, why is Doom2016 hated? If you could provide infographics, that would be appreciated.
93520c No.15325495
>>15325470
>what's the spirit of Doom
You just shoot demons find keys in futuristic hell maze.
>why is Doom2016 hated?
It's a totally different game. It's everything old Doom was except in gameplay. It's more like arena shooter than a maze shooter.
d75126 No.15325504
>>15325450
nah, its a horror shooter like fear. Like fear it also fails.
42f2e2 No.15325513
>>15325495
Thanks, I was expecting something more deep & detailed but hey, brevity is the soul of wit.
398538 No.15325519
>>15324381
Fuck thats an ugly person.
5f9d76 No.15325525
>>15325470
> never been into Doom
Do not post again untill you replay Ultimate Doom, Blood, Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior and Doom 2 with whatever source port you feel cofortable with.
>why is Doom2016 hated?
Its not "hate" so much as it loathe for undermining the original games glory by using the namesake and not really playing respect to the genera by dumbing it down into a gimmicky console fps. It's not bad but the Doom title deserves better.
>>15325504
weather or not it's sucesseul as survival horror is irrelivant to the fact that the developers designed it as a survival horror.
42f2e2 No.15325561
>>15325525
I'm planning to, Doom 1 & 2 are on my queue but my play time is rather limited and I can't over indulge. I was asking to get a better understanding since I'm somewhat of a Doom virgin and I've been planning to get into the series for a while now.
Would you say that Doom 2016 compares to DmC Devil May Cry in how they betray their respective franchises?
5f9d76 No.15325629
>>15325561
>Doom 2016 compares to DmC
Noware near as bad. But at the end of the day classic doom, with endless maps and mods is still stands up as a fun game. Wherease nuDoom is basicly Call of Dutie with a "glory kill" gimmick and a "meme" story slapped on that pay's lipservice to the classics game. No PC FPS has really been the same after the popular trend of console FPS neutered the gameplay thanks to being forced to be designed around a gamepad as opposed to KB/M. The only reason NuDoom is "Good" is because its a step in the right direction towards getting back to something relatively closer to the classic style but it falls short due to the imposed limiations. Consoles sell more units, so PC FPS traditionalist see NuDoom as a bit of a slap in the face esspecially with all the plebs crying about how much they love it without any appreacation for the superior classics.
93520c No.15325646
>>15325525
>undermining the original games glory by using the namesake and not really playing respect to the genera by dumbing it down into a gimmicky console fps
To be fair, OG doom is extremely basic and barebone in every sense of the FPS world. It also has gimmick weapons like the fist and chainsaw that are totally worthless unless you're a retard who wastes every bullet and is too dumb to find more. I don't like how nuDoom plays either, but the devs are simply trying to create fresh mechanics and they're respectful enough to the franchise to not call the sequel Doom 2. I mean, Doom modding scene is still at large, nothing would differ nudoom from brutal doom's gameplay had the devs recycled the old mechanics. It wouldn't be worth buying if people could just play zdoom instead.
>>15325561
>Would you say that Doom 2016 compares to DmC Devil May Cry in how they betray their respective franchises?
No, DmC has the same gameplay as old DMC games. Doom 16's gameplay is absolutely nothing like the original.
5954fc No.15325676
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>>15325383
brutal doom > all
9e99a5 No.15325703
>>15325629
>But at the end of the day classic doom, with endless maps and mods is still stands up as a fun game. Wherease nuDoom is basicly Call of Dutie with a "glory kill" gimmick and a "meme" story slapped on that pay's lipservice to the classics game.
Gameplay and modability are two different and independent aspects of a game. Stop mixing them. It's idiotic to count modding as being part of a game's gameplay because as the name implies, custom maps, guns, enemies, etc. are made by the community, and therefore are not an offer of the base game. They're called modifications for a reason.
That's like comparing a car made out of factory parts with a customized car. Of course it's better but it's because you yourself shoved a better engine in it after it was made by the manufacturer.
5f9d76 No.15325742
>>15325703
The game on its own is still better then most modern shooters. But when you account for maps and mods you have endless new content. Not many games can say the same and when the WAD (Where's All the Data?) was designed with the intentions of being easly modified then I think your kvetching falls a bit flat. You do realize that Snap Map was one of the big issues prohibiting NuDoom from actually being good. While I agree the core game ought not be judged by Mods, Moddability in and of itself can be a selling point.
a636a1 No.15325809
>>15325289
you are a massive faggot
e3bffe No.15325815
>>15325742
Snap Map is bad mostly because it tries to keep parity with consoles to keep compatibility and therefore arbitrarily limits what can be in it. Funny how before release they promised DOOD would support modding.
442b02 No.15325828
>>15325676
The sad thing is you're right. Vanilla doom aged as well as disco
cf8b45 No.15325839
>>15325828
Disco aged way better than doom.
93520c No.15325946
>>15325828
>Vanilla doom aged as well as disco
More like synthwave. Disco was very diverse and aged well. Synthwave was, is, and always will be shit.
93520c No.15325952
>>15325703
>>15325742
Would be highly modable if it was made in bethbryo (creation engine). How well/shit would that turn out?
bbadca No.15326003
>>15324218
>the attack on political correctness
I can't believe you fell for their obvious marketing ploy. They knew the joke would get attention, and thus make people talk about the game.
It's going to be an awfully mediocre game, just like nuDoom was. Stop coping.
7d92d4 No.15326016
>>15324218
>best music
boy do I love generic dubstep
>dark souls invasion
that will be promptly disabled by practically everyone because there is absolutely no reason to have it on unless you want a particularly annoying revenant to spawn out of nowhere. Dark Souls multiplayer is a double-edged sword, that's why it works. You can summon allies at the cost of possibly being invaded.
>attack on political correctness
I too love falling for retarded marketing campaigns aimed at 15-year-old lolbertarians
93520c No.15326020
>>15326003
>obvious marketing ploy
So? It's a good thing for companies to try to appeal to their consumers.
>It's going to be an awfully mediocre game, just like nuDoom was.
Looks like it improved upon everything in nuDoom, so good or not, it won't be as mediocre as nuDoom.
bbadca No.15326052
>>15326020
>shitty joke to generate attention
>appealing to consumers
how about making a good game in the first place?
>Looks like it improved upon everything in nuDoom, so good or not, it won't be as mediocre as nuDoom.
A polished turd is still a turd. It's going to be an awfully mediocre game, and yet bethesdrones here are claiming it as the saviour of moder gaming.
>>15326025
Kiss a shogun barrel and pull the trigger
93520c No.15326099
>>15326052
>how about making a good game in the first place?
<A polished turd is still a turd.
New game bad old game good, we get that.
>bethesdrones here are claiming it as the saviour of moder gaming
Literally nobody says so.
bbadca No.15326112
>>15326099
>Literally nobody says so.
>>15324218
93520c No.15326135
>>15326112
I thought you meant to say modder and not modern.
4b704c No.15326177
NuDOOM Eternal is sounding like they may actually be listening to the people who buy their games
>jokes being poked at rapefugees
>faster gameplay
>quicker kill animations
>already talking about mod support
I’m not going to say I’m excited… but I’m cautiously interested.
6a1a8f No.15326185
>>15326177
>1st pic
HNNGGGGG
The combination of /ara/ and /clang/ is Godly.
4b704c No.15326198
>>15326185
its one of my favorite pics I have ever saved in general.
2c97c3 No.15326211
>people are trying so hard to go against common interest that they'll say that awful previous games are better
Nudoom is better, some people may not like the new one, but it is better than other attempts at trying to revive it. Dont understand why people try so hard to go against the grain that theyll say bad games are better than mediocre games just because less people like it. Why the fuck would you want doom to be a gay slow horror game, thats not what DOOM is at all.
697dfc No.15326218
>>15323741
Fuck no it isn't. NuDoom was pretty fuckin mediocre, but its a goddamn masterpiece compared to Doom 3. It at least had a slight idea what Doom was rather than slapping the Doom name onto a fucking shitty horror game. I'd rather drink bleach than play either, but goddamn. The series should have stayed dead post Doom 2.
DOOM SHOULD FUCKING NEVER BE ABOUT STORY OR "SETTING", IT SHOULD BE ABOUT FUCKING GAMEPLAY, WHAT'S SO FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?!
5f9d76 No.15326609
>>15326346
the only time Classic Doom scared me was the first encounter with a Pinky Demon back in in that small maze in E1M4 on Hurt me plenty difficulty back in 1993.
81bcc7 No.15326613
>>15326346
Doom is a horror game alright. Recurring dream horror of any competent map designer.
dac1c5 No.15326615
now this is autism
sure horror could be done better in Doom games if they took themselves more seriously and Doom 3 had some interesting ideas
but it failed in those ideas because it didnt take off, IT FAILED
dac1c5 No.15326617
and succeeded in other smaller ways that clearly wasnt enough because id themselves completely changed gears and canned the other Doom 4
7c7132 No.15326621
>>15326198
The whole scene in the Doom Eternal Trailer, where he just Quietly drags the guy to the card reader, and takes the gun from one of the troops was great.
It has me convinced that DOOTguy is autistic.
c1affd No.15326631
>>15323741
>Nu-Doom
Your fucking cuckchan cancer that has to put NU in front of everything you don't like. Doom has always mixed shit up. Final Doom, Doom 63, Doom 3 and Doom 2016 all do something different from the versions before it and with each one you either love it of fucking hate it. I utterly hate Doom 2016 but I hate you more.
BTW Doom 64>Doom 3.
1b8885 No.15326648
>>15326631
We've been using nu Doom here for years
c1affd No.15326653
>>15326648
>A few autistic cunts have been using Nu-Doom since 2016
Hardly years Anon.
8fb21d No.15326672
I bought the bfg edition, but I actually liked how the game had you choose between a flashlight or a pistol. Any mod that changes that? I mean, it makes sense that a flashlight would be on your helmet, but it's a cool gameplay mechanic
7768fa No.15326691
>>15326672
there were some flashlight mods, yes
f96cfd No.15326725
>>15326715
Listen to your elders, green wood.
2b231d No.15326734
5f9d76 No.15326764
>>15326653
>>15326631
nigger people have been using the "nu" prefix for years. That is not a cuckchan term. It's primarily used for a "reboot" that uses the same name as the classic game.
>>15326715
argumentum ad novitatem is a fallacy sunny Jim
c1affd No.15326775
>>15326764
>Nigger people have been using the "nu" prefix for years.
Thats why I hate it Anon. Its just some people act like shit versions of Doom are somehow a "nu" thing. I mean fuck SNES Doom still rates as my most hated Doom game fuck I detest that more than 2016. Big fucking texture-less blue floors.
4449f2 No.15326786
Doom 3 is an okay game. Though it shares the same mistake as Quake 2 - being so different to it's predecessors to the point of having a similiar name feeling like a slap to the face.
29c4ea No.15326796
>>15326715
Im 12 and i say old games are better
ea97f5 No.15326801
>>15326631
Why are you calling it Doom 2016, anon? Its name is just Doom.
4b704c No.15327001
… I really hope these devs our /ourguys/. In the current year where all games are made with greed and propaganda in mind it would be cool if DOOM came home.
c1affd No.15327012
>>15326801
>Why are you calling it Doom 2016, anon? Its name is just Doom.
So people know I aint calling original Doom shit you fucking imbecile.
ea2583 No.15327018
>>15327001
Doom is Bethesda who produce the most Jewish series ever created in the new Wolfensteins. Even if the devs are /ourguys/ many devs are, but can't speak out anymore they'll be forced to act against us.
4b704c No.15327065
>>15327018
I dunno, they definitely were poking fun of migrants in the latest trailer. Guess we’ll have to wait and see. Perhaps Todd has come to Jesus after the Wolfenstein 2 debacle.
8e5557 No.15327074
>>15327018
I wouldn't be so sure. Bethesda are also responsible for TES. If you quickly think back on it, all of those games have racial and nationalistic conflict. The solution also never is "we must simply create a tolerant democratic society". Skyrim for the Nords and what have you.
While Wolfenstein certainly is up there with several ubisoft games in jewishness, TES doesn't really have poz and nu-doom so far doesn't have much propaganda either.
Fallout 3 and (especially) 4 do though. It seems to me that it might not be corporate politics but dependent on the writer's politics. That would explain why the same publisher would have wildly different politics in different games.
81bcc7 No.15327085
>>15327012
I liked new doom more than pixelated mess old dooms were
060979 No.15327087
It's hilarious how people think doom 1&2 were a incredibly complex and intellectual game and doom 2016 a dumbed down version.
The fuck you were playing really? Doom intellectual version? I'm so doom smart? It was a fucking game where you had to fucking shoot stuff and you could cheese out 90% of encounters (see pink demon bait, imp bait and pain elemental abortion). Also enemies funneling and trough door shooting strategies.
The fact that in compet-n there is a category dedicated on completing the game with just pistols and fists should suggest people how the fuck is easy to cheese aspect of the games.
So please nigglets, don't make me laugh boasting a complexity or elegance that was never there. It's doom a good game? Yes. It's a fun game? Yes. The same can be said for whatever came after. Did you have fun with doom 3? Good, the concept however was a bit different. Did you had fun with doom 2016? Good, it was a reimagination of the original classic.
No need to make classic doom appear as a high intellectual intensive game and no need to shit on everything else.
8e5557 No.15327095
81bcc7 No.15327100
>>15327095
Better level design and fluid graphics. Guns also felt like guns and not fucking drawn out animation consisting of 5 frames and a sound byte. Better over all game imo.
ea2583 No.15327106
>>15327065
>I dunno, they definitely were poking fun of migrants in the latest trailer
I think you're reading more into it that than was there. It was just lazy writing making a super cliche contrast. The whole presentation felt like it was arranged by someone they defrosted, or by outsourced writers in pooistan unaware of US politics.
Anyone intentionally mocking the rapefugee situation from a large publisher indebted to banks would get shut down hard.
c1affd No.15327107
>>15327085
>>15327100
>I liked new doom more than pixelated mess old dooms were
81bcc7 No.15327121
>>15327107
Go back to >>>/reddit/, I am sure they will accomodate you for a personalized safe space.
4b704c No.15327123
>>15327106
Maybe, but keep in mind the location of the developer. id Software is located in Texas, where as Machinegames(Wolfenstein 2) was located in Sweden. If there was a game with a more conservative story to come out it would be from id.
aae2c6 No.15327127
>>15327100
>Better level design
81bcc7 No.15327132
>>15327127
When you are someone who hasn't autistically memorized every single path in original doom maps, then you will find yourself lost very often. The map is also trash and everything blends together, there are circular routes that lead you back to the beginning. The levels are also fairly bland corridors with enemies hiding in corners or just open fields with enemies. This is not the case with new doom which has more variety and more inspired level layout.
c1affd No.15327134
>>15327121
>Likes Doom 2016 calls other people reddit.
>Made by Bethesda the same shitheads that made Wolfinigger 2
Thanks for the laugh Anon.
8fb21d No.15327145
>>15326691
were? as in, they don't exist anymore?
links?
aae2c6 No.15327163
>>15327132
>When you are someone who hasn't autistically memorized every single path in original doom maps, then you will find yourself lost very often
This isn't the case at all. The vanilla maps aren't that complex in terms of layout, and you have an automap to help you navigate the levels if you do get lost. Memorizing paths is completely irrelevant in Doom, why would you need to memorize a path? It's not a maze in an adventure game, you can get by just by exploring.
>The map is also trash and everything blends together
Only if you are using the GZDoom automap, and then there are options for it. Get PrBoom+ instead.
>The levels are also fairly bland corridors with enemies hiding in corners or just open fields with enemies
Bland how? Why are enemies hiding in corners a bad thing? Most vanilla Doom levels are very constrained, just by looking at their layouts you can see that open spaces are used sparingly. Just what exactly would make a good level?
>This is not the case with new doom which has more variety and more inspired level layout.
How exactly?
c1affd No.15327191
>>15327163
Anon stop being a bigot. >>15327132 obviously needs his hand held when fighting demons from hell.
8e5557 No.15327266
>>15327100
>>15327132
Holy shit, are you some kind of retard? Where did you even come from? Go back.
f96cfd No.15327364
62ef62 No.15327400
Doom should've been a strategy game. Change my mind.
916d71 No.15327451
>>15323741
I'm a bit late, but I can't agree with OP more. Doom 3 is an underrated game
horror Doom >>>> NuDoom
6f120f No.15327506
>Doom 3 is an underappreciated game.
I tried playing it recently and it is absolute garbage. One of the worst first person shooters I have ever played.
8fbca3 No.15327522
this game is much darker in game and that's a good thing. it's so spooky!
f34468 No.15327530
1b8885 No.15327553
What the fuck is even going on here anymore?
b87d72 No.15327600
>>15323741
Doom 3 has some pretty good mods.
2b4707 No.15327674
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f34468 No.15327682
>>15327674
Not monster enough,but keep going anyways
f34468 No.15327701
>>15327692
Hello fellow doom general friend
759268 No.15327715
I finished Doom3 and I dropped NuDoom after about half an hour so yes OP is not a faggot on this occasion.
4b704c No.15327730
>>15327674
dat thicc milf Cacodemon
f96cfd No.15327737
>>15327674
>cacodemon stuck on a female body
>not even a regular cacodemon head
>hair
HUMBUG
f34468 No.15327741
>>15327737
This guy knows what's up
f96cfd No.15327761
>>15327741
>top part
/monster/ has no business using that goddamn board name. It'd be like if a board about walking simulators was named /v/.
6f013e No.15328154
>>15325809
keep playing with your fleshlight cucklet
6f013e No.15328164
>>15327674
so i hentai doom done? i stopped following its progress.
6f013e No.15328180
>>15326177
it's a quick business. fuck off enough times and you're out (failout4, cough, cuckenstein, cough, every bethshit gaym since skyrimjob)
d75126 No.15328200
>>15327741
>top good, white approved
>bottom, basically nigger fetishists
kys zoophile
bbadca No.15328383
653603 No.15328390
>>15326177
>but I’m cautiously interested
fag
b722f8 No.15328435
I used to think Doom was an increasingly obscure overrated horror series because of this shit while Doomed was at least clearly attempting to emulate the spirit into modern day for better or worse. They did ditch regenerating health and made the action constant and everywhere, by there's other shit that turned me off from what I've read from anons.
>>15327741
>snek waifu and top dragon girl aren't monsters
What is this retarded shit.
93520c No.15328437
>>15327074
What's so poz about Fallout 3 and 4 though? They seem apolitical and there's mockery for both communism and capitalism. There's nationalistic vibe in FO3's BoS and FO4's Institute actually has a more noble goal than any Fallout villain.
fc59ab No.15328441
>>15327001
Who is Daisy?
>>15327674
Heh, Cockodemons
5f9d76 No.15328449
>>15327266
>>15327074
>TES is good because I impose racial and nationalistic idealism onto them
oh I see the tryhard TRSodomite hydeposter from cuckchan is back.
>nu-doom
for fuck sake at least lurk more an try to fit in. You fucking glow in the dark.
>>15327001
>/ourguys/
You can fuck off with hydeposter take that hivemind "we" shit back to >>>/cuckchan/
>>15326775
SNES Doom is an inferior port, but impressive form a tech perspective even if its a crap game. NuDoom is just trash for no good god damn reason all because of "console parity". Its gameplay is designed around a gamepad.
>>15327741
>>15328200
Play HDoom
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p1yfq5hstg9vmpz/m12-hdoom_techdemo9.rar?dl=0
>>15327106
>>15327065
They are just fence sitting because they realized the antifa pandering "punch a Nazi" hyperbole about Wolfenstein II The New Colossus wasn't as good marketing as they assumed it was. Now they are lightly poking fun at the leftist to drive headlines but it's still the same milk toast neoliberal company that had a Naked pregnant Jewish woman covered in blood due welding Sturmgewehr Assault Rifles at the end of the day.
5f9d76 No.15328459
>>15328441
its the bunny form the end of Doom 1
2ff82d No.15328487
>>15328200
>cannot understand the difference between 2D and 3D
First time on the internet?
78f3b7 No.15328947
>>15328487
Bottom is drawn in 3d
checkamte
d75126 No.15328987
>>15328487
bottom is sfmshite of baboons, niggers are ugly and you are a zoophile
f3402c No.15329014
>>15328987
You're missing the point of the fucking image you absolute nigger tier bitch.
MONSTER girls
They're monsters.
Monster GIRLS.
They're girls with monster aspects.
d75126 No.15329033
>>15329014
you're missing the biggest point is that faggots who want to fuck animals are zoophiles and should be shot.
78f3b7 No.15329034
>>15329014
You're still fapping to furry bro
d75126 No.15329043
>>15329034
but at least it's real furry and not cute anime girls bro :^)
8ab93b No.15329046
>>15327741
>Faceboot tier meme
>Hating on monster girls while cherypicking the least monstrous ones
>Two of the bottom are just deathclaw with tits (the frontmost model being literally a deathclaw model with tits added on). two super-simplified xenomorphs, also with tits, A cacodemon who's body is covered up to hide the fact that it's just a red-skinned cyclops,
This image is either well crafted bait or the creator is an idiot.
f3402c No.15329054
>>15329033
>you're missing the biggest point is that faggots who want to fuck animals are zoophiles and should be shot.
Okay?
>>15329034
Okay again? I'm not really sure what we're talking about anymore, I've confused myself
5def4c No.15329056
Doom 3 was actually good. I don't know what has happened in the last 8 or so years to turn everyone into a bitter dumb faggot who somehow doesn't even remember how good this shit was when it came out but it's getting retarded
d75126 No.15329060
>>15329054
you should be ashamed for even defending it you freak
f3402c No.15329071
>>15329060
I'm not even sure what to say now
>not being a furry
8ab93b No.15329075
Anyways I don't really have much to add on except that NuDoom feels very much like those nostalgia-fueled reboots that are filling the theaters right now. Lots of throwbacks, "remember this" moments, and little things added in for older fans, but it all feels really surface level. Like there's a checklist of "stuff DOOM fans will remember" being checked off during creation.
6e3889 No.15329080
>>15329056
lmao doom 3 was made for numales before numale was a term, the new doom is made for alpha bros who drink beer and kick ass
f3402c No.15329096
>>15329075
it's literally a nostalgia shitboot, like literally every other movie. The game is fun for like the first 20 minutes then you realize every room and every fight is the same, just with increasing difficulty. It's very mundane, but if you're in the mood for simple slaughter I guess it'd be good.
d75126 No.15329109
>>15329071
End your life degenerate
8ab93b No.15329111
>>15329109
>Trapfag making fun of a furry
You're both shit.
f3402c No.15329114
>>15329109
Degeneracy is subjective sweetie.
cf8b45 No.15329143
>>15329109
>posting MiA
>calling others degenerate
d75126 No.15329157
>>15329143
at least the monsters there are formerly human.
78f3b7 No.15329173
>>15329157
So it's ok to fap fo nanacchi as a furry because she was a cute girl at some point?
Sounds like jewish loopholing to me.
cf8b45 No.15329181
>>15329157
What does it matter? So is this not furry because she's human sometimes?
d75126 No.15329189
>>15329181
>>15329173
who says anyone is jerking off to it?
8e5557 No.15329330
>>15328449
>TES is good because I impose racial and nationalistic idealism onto them
Woah now, I never said that. I merely claimed that poz isn't enforced by corporate but by the writers instead, hence making a non-leftist game of theirs possible. I never claimed TES to be good.
>that entire post
You talk a lot for someone whom stands out like a sore thumb.
c8669c No.15329368
>>15327553
I have no idea but the majority of the posts here aren't even worth reading. That one guy from earlier talking about how Doom needs RPG elements even had his posts removed.
>>15329075
Definitely agree with you. It all seems very forced. One thing though I am glad to see they made the new demon designs better. Mancubus used to look terrible in the 2016 game but looks much better in Eternal.
5f9d76 No.15329383
>>15329330
>no u
keep projecting kiddo
50c7fc No.15332766
>>15329056
The new kids are all faggots. Boomers bred millennial cancer, that's what happened.
50c7fc No.15332768
>>15329080
and then there's this assfuck
50c7fc No.15332772
>>15332768
end your life you piece of shit!
26bc56 No.15333410
All who say Doom 3 is shit are soybeans who never played it or butthurt bugmen who thought they get to play a mindless shooter instead of a proper horror game.
I'd take the horror over the shit they released now any day, and that's why nuGaymes are going to go the way of the trashcan in the forseeable future, they are as dumb as the guys who play them.
4b704c No.15333418
>>15333410
It’s pretty darn close to an action game. I believe BFG just mounted the flashlight on your chest and you can bulldoze through it if you have the reflexes.
768329 No.15334565
There isn't a game in the doom series I don't like and didn't have fun playing. Fuck you contrarian faggots, Doom 3 and NuDoom and Doom 1/2/Final/etc. are all good games you can have fun playing.
5def4c No.15337848
>>15329080
I never mentioned the new doom, it actually looks pretty good beta fag
cbbe7e No.15337852
>hear all these things about doom 3 being scary as shit
>pirate game because im poor fag and didn't have any money at the time
>install game get scared of first level not even any monsters in the area
>go into the first room where you get the first shotgun and have to fight that scary ass giant dog thing
>OHSHITOSHIT!!
>shoot it 2 times it dies
>is that it? is it playing dead? better shoot it again…
>its dead…
>uninstall game.
b8ffe3 No.15337946
I played Doom 3 when it came out. It was disappointing then and it's meh now.
b06dcc No.15338100
>>15323741
As "great" of an idea as it was, it was executed poorly. The horror was childish and jumpscary. The atmosphere was plagued with clichés and predictability. The gameplay suffered from being a horror game in comparison to older Doom games, which usually would've been fine for a horror game, but then it also dropped the ball as a horror game.
I didn't like Doom 2016 too much either, but I can see what people find appealing about it, at least. Doom 3 I don't see what people find fun about unless they're 10 and it's their first horror game.
2ff82d No.15338476
c53cf8 No.15338559
Christ no it's literally too slow
The expansion is slightly better but it's just too slow
f34468 No.15339458
>>15328449
Hdoom is shit
SHIT
6ea411 No.15348648
>>15328449
Wolfstein the new colossus wasn't made by Id, just used idtech.
Next.
4b704c No.15348706
>>15348648
Also, both studios are located in practically opposite places in terms of political ideology.
c53b73 No.15348710
4e3b4a No.15349277
I used to own a hard copy and picked it back up on Steam a week ago. its great.
pic unrelated, just a nice womanly ass.
4e3b4a No.15349279
>>15323843
Doom 4 runs like piss on my computer so this is the second best option, the first two are abandonware now so getting them free is no issue.
3310da No.15349620
>>15327074
>I wouldn't be so sure. Bethesda are also responsible for TES. If you quickly think back on it, all of those games have racial and nationalistic conflict. The solution also never is "we must simply create a tolerant democratic society". Skyrim for the Nords and what have you.
<Bethesda isn't Jewish because its medieval fantasy setting primarily runs on racial politics.
Bethesda retconed Oblivion to cash in on the LotR craze. That and "system limitations".
You fags can never convince me that glory kills or regenerating health/ammo from glory kills in a FPS is fun.
d814d4 No.15365221
>>15327741
>femclaws
yes please
f34468 No.15365256
>>15365221
sadly no decent porn mods for em to my knowledge
f10de4 No.15365260
>>15349277
That's actually a woman and you're not just trying to gaslight me, right?
8e7aab No.15372925
>>15326177
>>15328180
Business or not, they're doing it right. They're actually giving people what they want for the money they're paying it for. You know, how business is supposed to work.
Also, that art looks fucking awesome.
5458eb No.15372937
>darkness the game
No. It was an ok horror game, but not an action shooter.
230cc0 No.15373041
>>15327600
May I ask what they are? I'm about to play it for myself, and want to know if there's anything essential aside from a widescreen fix.
If I should play it vanilla aside from that, however, tell me the mods anyway for my second playthrough.
7c7132 No.15373056
What good doom 3 mods are there
f526a0 No.15373740
>>15324792
>its easy
>just use give all to give yourself infinite grenandes
504eaf No.15375168
>>15324201
>Overwatch
I must post because we must never forget.
07523b No.15375212
Doom 3 is fucking awful
Butchered the artstyle and the unique design of the originals in favor of chasing jewliwood generic flesh blob monsters.
8cc9d9 No.15375277
>>15375168
FINALLY someone posts it! I have been wondering where to get these screencaps for quite a while now. Thanks for sharing, anon.
39a905 No.15375287
>>15373740
Stop sucking dick at video games. There are more than enough grenades for all the soldier encounters. Quicksave and quickload to get a feel for the grenade arc if you have to then you have no excuse for fucking it up.
172ef0 No.15384950
>>15325676
Brutal DOOM is literally the worst way to play DOOM, and anyone who really played the game in the 90's will tell you the same, 90% of stuff added in the Brutal doom is useless and kills the gameplay.
00edbf No.15384971
>>15323763
>to combat where you can actually move around at your own space
Doom 3 also lets you move at your own pace, most encounters are monster closets so there isn't really any rush despite being a horror game.
9a543c No.15388483
>>15323741
The vector animation shit for the UI/ interactive surfaces was great, and I liked some of the new designs, but not as replacements for existing designs, overall and I fucking hate Nu Doom, Doom 3 is the worse title, it should never have been called Doom 3, it is nothing like Doom.
>>15323780
Doom 64 was the last Doom game made.