90c63b No.15315709
Tech news is abuzz and yet not a single thread talking about this GAMING GPU?
Apparently Nvidia isn't releasing a gaming GPU based on Volta. The TITAN V was a one-off workstation card. No 1180 either, going straight to 2080. They're also going straight to using the Turing architecture which contains tech for real-time raytracing and they're even ditching the GTX name for RTX to really start pushing the realtime raytracing as a trend for video games. They've been using "GTX" as a prefix since the 200 series and as a suffix even before that.
>inb4 don't talk about [insert company] or you're a shill
If AMD was coming out with a new gaming video card there would be a thread for sure. In fact, AMD announced a fucking workstation card and there was a thread about it here even though that's not for gaming. This nvidia card all the tech news outlets are talking about actually IS for gaming.
Anyways, if they're even ditching "GTX" for "RTX" (the name of their raytracing tech) they're definitely going to be pushing this real-time raytracing tech as hard as VR so prepare your anus. And if nvidia is pushing raytracing AMD needs to hit that bandwagon hard or else be left behind again like they were with tessellation performance. So /v/, what do you think about this next big trend of real-time raytracing?
795ed2 No.15315732
>>15315709
Means nothing, can play evrything i want on 60fps with a rx 580. Why do normalfags feel the need to spend +$1000 on a meme card? Graphic cards are practically on par with cpus never really being a true improvement at this point. Enjoy your forced telemetry and shitty software.
d10d1d No.15315740
Meanwhile, bitcoin mining hasn't died and video cards are overpriced as fuck STILL
40be4f No.15315745
>any game after 2007 is worth playing at all ever
90c63b No.15315757
>>15315740
>Meanwhile, bitcoin mining hasn't died and video cards are overpriced as fuck STILL
Compare this image to the prices now and revise your statement.
0e5070 No.15315768
>>15315709
>So /v/, what do you think about this next big trend of real-time raytracing?
Tech demos and no game will use them for another 5 years but expect animation studios to use the tech.
3a9e38 No.15315776
I'm more interested in Intels new discrete GPU than Nvidias new dripfeeding offering honestly.
d10d1d No.15315783
>>15315757
>revise your statement
No.
I'm from straya, anonymous san. Video cards are still very much unaffordable.
645238 No.15315784
>>15315757
What I predicted but few believed would happen, happened. The people who wanted to buy up a bunch of GPUs for bitcoin mining now have GPUs and so those of us who want to buy GPUs can go about our business most unscathed.
>>15315776
It'll be interesting to see how they fuck up their new discrete GPU.
Soldered to the motherboard of all pre-builts just like their CPUs
0e5070 No.15315786
>>15315776
>Intel
Are even bigger cunts the Nivida.
90c63b No.15315811
>>15315768
Considering Nvidia's current lineup is 25 times worse at raytracing and plenty of people will continue using said lineup (or older) for years, that is a sound prediction. That's not gonna stop them from promoting it like crazy though.
>>15315776
That's not coming until 2020 and I don't have high expectations for it considering how Intel's iGPUs are so shitty they had to partner with AMD to use Vega instead.
3a9e38 No.15315818
>>15315786
>Are even bigger cunts the Nvidia.
Maybe, but it's an interesting development outside the usual iterative hardware and news
>>15315784
>Soldered to the motherboard of all pre-builts
I'd laugh for days if that actually happened
90c63b No.15315833
>>15315783
>I'm from straya
Straya prices were always fucked though were they not? Even when prices for tech were normal in murrica they were still much higher for shitposter island.
764b25 No.15315839
>>15315709
Skipping 11-19.
This is fucking retarded, what are they gonna call the generation after the 9th one? Nvidia GeForce RTX 10080?
3a9e38 No.15315845
>>15315811
They hired Raja Koduri so it might actually not be a fucking disaster
40be4f No.15315853
>>15315839
Nvidia GeForce RTX C80
>>15315845
>FedToPigs.png
wew
90c63b No.15315860
>>15315784
<Soldered to the motherboard
>Intel
>using solder
Just slap on some cheap toothpaste and call it a day, goy.
Speaking of which there continue to be rumors of i9-9900K, i7-9700K and i5-9600K using solder instead of TiM but I think it's just wishful thinking that will ultimately leave everyone disappointed and angry.
c84327 No.15315878
I don't see it affecting anything. Consoles are still game publisher and developer's main target, and those (the next Xbox and the PS5) are expected to run AMD chips of some type (some sort of Ryzen+Vega based APU of some sort) so they're not going to bother with real time ray tracing immediately.
32ac3e No.15315892
>OP thinks going "inb4 shill" will stop anons from calling him a shill
Nah fuck you man, you arent even hiding it.
0e5070 No.15315901
>>15315860
Intel is also removing hyper threading from their non i9 processors.
55699b No.15315908
Shilling aside, how does it compare to the standard 1080? I was thinking of upgrading to the 2080 or the 2080 Ti if it comes at the same time.
02fa8d No.15315909
>>15315709
>Tech news is abuzz and yet not a single thread talking about this bitcoin mining GPU?
fify
d10d1d No.15315911
>>15315833
Card prices were about 40% cheaper on average before the mining boom a year ago. A 1080 still costs upwards of $700. Even old used cards are fetching a shitton. I recently sold my old 680 for $200 and bought it in 2016 for $100.
c84327 No.15315913
c84327 No.15315915
>>15315909
>mining bitcoin with GPUs
You're retarded
d52fcd No.15315921
When you got a 480 and a good workstation card for actually working who needs anything else, this fookin gay silicon
0e5070 No.15315922
>>15315915
>mining bitcoin with GPUs
It's been a thing for a while.
fd63db No.15315938
>Everyone is excited for this new card that implement tech not utilized in any game to date and none in the works even.
Only retards fall for the hype machine marketing, i have yet to see any fucking DX12 / Vulcan game using any of the tech shown in demos 3 years ago.
90c63b No.15315940
>>15315901
May as well remove overclocking functionality from the "K" processors while they're at it.
90c63b No.15315951
>>15315922
He's likely just splitting hairs. The cryptocurrency that is predominantly mined with GPUs is Etherium not Bitcoin.
0a633a No.15315954
>>15315940
Remove L3 cache as well, no one really uses it.
90c63b No.15315962
>>15315954
Remove more dedicated PCI-E lanes as well. You only need two tbh.
55699b No.15315964
>>15315947
I thought /tv/ revived it
9b8fdd No.15315967
>>15315901
hyper threading is a meme and always has been, it does nothing but degrade performance if you get anywhere close to pinning a core
3a9e38 No.15315977
>>15315964
>I thought /tv/ revived it
Yeah, and it was pure cancer
And now it's dead, even there
55699b No.15315981
>>15315977
well shit, to be fair I did find pajeet to be actually hilarious.
0a633a No.15315988
>>15315962
Less SATA, More USB
17e80b No.15316012
>>15315709
This is 4k gaming stuff. There are like 3 games that are worth playing at 4k and they take about 10-20 hours to beat. Not worth it, not worth talking about. 1080p gaming on a 580 or 1060 should be the limit, then we all move to 8k in ten years.
90c63b No.15316013
>>15315988
Reduce the number of supported DIMM slots to one.
3a9e38 No.15316014
>>15315981
Pajeets are indeed hilarious
They're like autistic normalfags
0a633a No.15316030
>>15316013
Require the OS to be loaded from punch cards
fd63db No.15316036
>>15316013
Cut the extra PCI-E slots, who the fuck uses two videocards in the current year? you re killing the planet if you do
0a633a No.15316061
>>15316030
Processor architecture optimized for OS/2 Warp
036cfe No.15316083
Are buying used GPU's smart? I doubt a used 1080ti wouldn't save me that much more money. Surprisingly my 780 holds up really well, Hitman 2016 runs decent on 1440p with low settings but the quality difference between high and low is barely noticeable, pc masterrace fags got memed on, a lot of games graphics settings barely look different.
d52fcd No.15316105
>>15316083
If they weren't used for bitcoin mining in some faggots undercooled rig, sure. Shit some bitcoin miners sell totally burnt out cards.
fd63db No.15316121
>>15316083
> but the quality difference between high and low is barely noticeable
some games are like that but also many i wont enjoy in low or even mid settings. I think you are just trying to validate yourself.
036cfe No.15316127
>>15316105
Ah yeah, I forgot about bitcoin faggots. How the fuck do graphics cards create another artificial currency? Shit's dumb.
a97075 No.15316177
It's too fucking expensive and all the gains are going to be wasted trying to shoehorn a badly gimped, heavily denoised and temporally upsampled ray tracer into modern game engines that barely offers any improvement over rasterization.
a70571 No.15316194
>>15316177
It's the Jewvidia Cycle, wait until a few more iterations till they get it right, but the graphics whores or buttcoin miners buy this shit through.
d52fcd No.15316195
>>15316127
Dunno, how to the jews at the TF2 economy justify increasing the effective grind time for a $2.50 key to one and a third of a year while crafting has been dead for 4 years.
Point is, never be surprised about the level of faggotry people are willing to stoop to.
73b8c9 No.15316389
>>15315709
>(((Tech news))) is abuzz
great, where are the actual benchmarks of the final products? what - the cards are not even out yet, you say?
d52fcd No.15316406
>>15316389
>Benchmarks
>for a top end card
b9f363 No.15316420
>>15316406
>RTX 2080
>top end
it's mid end, just enthusiast prices. Don't worry, if you want top end you can pay over $1000 for it.
d52fcd No.15316422
>>15316420
I'm more saying if you're buying a *70-80 for gaming when even with the utterly resource hogged state of software today, you're an idiot, and a benchmark wouldn't help you.
b9f363 No.15316431
>>15316422
You're gonna want a 70/80/Ti variant because as more games come out they'll make sure their older/lower end cards perform far worse than the new ones.
8e4cb6 No.15316433
>>15315709
>No 1180 either, going straight to 2080.
>raytracing
>ditching the GTX name for RTX
>THIS IS BIG GOYS OMG
INSERT SOYFACE HERE
d52fcd No.15316434
>>15316431
Archived drivers are a thing.
b9f363 No.15316435
>>15316434
enjoy your no support for new games.
d52fcd No.15316442
>>15316435
>implying any new games are going to use a RTX *70/80/Ti latest drivers as a baseline for operation
>implying in the same universe you can play GTAV on an old Quadro they're going kill off legacy hardware support
72a44c No.15316448
>on an AMD R7 360 toastermobile
>need to upgrade but have been too lazy
So are graphics card prices still fucked? Is it safe to buy?
c84327 No.15316451
>>15316061
An improvement, tbh
b9f363 No.15316452
>>15316442
>nowhere was it implied they would kill off old hardware support
>only that obsolescence is planned and nvidia is leading the charge on that front
your 780, 970, 980, 1060, won't cut it soon. Hardware wise it'll be fine, if you don't update your drivers it'll continue to play everything you already do as it always has. The more you update with offers of new features, better support, "better" performance, the worse that older hardware is gonna get, despite new games no doubt not even utilizing it fully.
d52fcd No.15316456
>>15316452
1
>implying I use NVIDIA for anything but their workstation cards
2. Their forced obsolescence drivers get outed within like an hour of going active, and everyone who isn't technologically inept rolls back
0e5070 No.15316461
Jesus AMD and Nvdia both piss me off with how they do things.
e51073 No.15316467
>>15316435
>>15316434
>>15316442
>>15316452
>>15316456
>muh Nvidia drivers
Get an AMD card and install Linux already. The FOSS Mesa drivers are constantly improving, support older cards nicely, and if games don't have Linux ports you can usually run DX11 vidya at native or better speeds using DXVK.
287373 No.15316471
>>15315878
>PS5 and NEXTbox
I don't understand what "New" Generation consoles can offer, aside from maybe 60fps across the board. Hardware for 4K AND CONSISTENT PERFORMANCE is still expensive as fuck.
I am not looking forward to the next generation at all, especially when cards on the market (even prior to chink mining) were worth more than even the high-end consoles.
They'll need to sell at a steeper loss than they already are.
93aab5 No.15316473
>>15316448
It's a lot better now. Nvidia cards are at MSRP, RX cards about there too, Vega cards still a bit overpriced though.
d52fcd No.15316482
>>15316467
>Just like get a whole new computer and OS instead of learning how to solve problems
036cfe No.15316484
>>15316195
>Point is, never be surprised about the level of faggotry people are willing to stoop to.
Amen.
c84327 No.15316487
>>15316471
I swear Denton's mouth keeps getting bigger
>Hardware for 4K AND CONSISTENT PERFORMANCE is still expensive as fuck.
Eh I don't know. A Ryzen-Vega APU could hit 4K reliably, probably.
53444e No.15316552
>>15315853
Is that why he got so chubby so fast? Was jim fattening him up to make sure his piggies got a good meal?
How obscene.
d110a3 No.15316572
I can't wait for everything to start running like complete shit again, even though almost all of it looks worse than a game from 2007.
93aab5 No.15316576
>>15315811
>Intel's iGPUs are so shitty
Well to be fair they had to be restricted to a tiny die size to fit into the CPU. AMD and Nvidia GPUs are so powerful partly due to their sheer size. When Intel dusts off the Larabee full size GPU project and Raja gives it a makeover things will perform a lot better.
514647 No.15316592
>>15315757
Either godly bait or subhuman brainlet.
79af1a No.15316597
As someone who does a lot of CG rendering which heavily involves raytracing I am very interested, but I predict that only a couple games will implement it when it comes out and it'll look distracting and weird, eat up a ton of performance, and will break if you try to render it on an equivalent AMD GPU just like physX.
139ff4 No.15316598
>>15316576
>Well to be fair they had to be restricted to a tiny die size to fit into the CPU.
The graphics part of AMD APU always shat on what intel had to offer.
22fd24 No.15316608
>>15315709
>AMD needs to hit that bandwagon hard or else be left behind again like they were with tessellation performance
I thought I remembered AMD being first with tesselation back in like 2008 or so
22fd24 No.15316613
>>15316487
>A Ryzen-Vega APU
its called raven ridge
>could hit 4K reliably, probably
it doesnt.
b264bb No.15316624
No games are going to use that shit as it would make them PC-only.
f025c7 No.15316654
>>15316624
PC-only would improve everything dramatically, so of course they won't do it
45fddf No.15316672
>>15316624
Pretty much. Too early, since this gen started in 2013, following from 2006, following about 7 years. 2020 is a sure bet on something new though.
New meaning a fresh new smelly turd squeezed out of the shitty hairy jewish assholes.
2eb795 No.15316702
>cuckforce rtx2080
literally a clone of the 800 series flagship with more ram and better software optimization. It's botnet and overpriced as fuck. Just ignore modern GPU's when gpu's from like 3 years ago can run games in 4k just fine.
>>15316576
Intel GPU's past the haswell series are botnet and require blobs to work in linux and are entirely blob based on windows. Just get a nvidia/amd GPU at that point.
>>15316456
>workstation card
That's just a meme for software support of opencl/cuda with the same consumer hardware sold at a higher price. Use nouveau and you don't have to deal with (((workstation))) price tag kikery.
e58f54 No.15316763
No one should gibe one fuck about the next 700 dollar bitcoin mining card. Fuck off kike.
d52fcd No.15316796
>>15316702
Workstation cards won't be general use cards no matter how much you push the software meme.
e58f54 No.15316797
>>15316473
>two year old cards.
>700 Dollars
>MSRP.
I have no Schlomo vile enough to properly encapsulate this level of kikery.
0f7001 No.15316871
>>15315709
>Tech news is abuzz and yet not a single thread talking about this GAMING GPU?
Of course not. There's nothing to talk about.
>inb4 don't talk about [insert company] or you're a shill
If you're not a shill, why didn't you post any meaningful information?
What are the new specs of the cards? The price? Benchmarks? Non-shill benchmarks?
Oh, you don't have any of that? All you can do is push the name of Nvidia out? What a fucking surprise.
>Raytracing
I can't wait for GayWorks(TM) Raytracing(R)(C) to run like utter shit on Nvidia cards that aren't less than 2 years old, making it completely worthless for developers to rely on.
These fucks have an abysmal track record with pushing technology. I have no expectation that they'll actually put out something that isn't a proprietary pile of shit that is made to run like shit on their cards five years later, just to coax you into buying their new 20080 cards.
0e5070 No.15316905
>>15316871
>If you're not a shill, why didn't you post any meaningful information?
I'm sick of shill being tossed around to the point where it's become meaningless talking about this doesn't make OP a shill despite him being a raging faggot.
e58f54 No.15316989
>>15316905
I am normally with you in this line of reasoning but OP is definitely a shill this time. JUST look at that post and the formatting.
74fd40 No.15317161
>>15315740
There's been a massive pricefixing bust in the DRAM industry. While this won't stop the cryptoponzi problem, it should still significantly decrease GPU prices by itself, due to VRAM:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/30/dram_vendors_sued_again_for_price_fixing_again/
90c63b No.15317903
>>15316871
>>15316905
>>15316989
>If you're not a shill, why didn't you post any meaningful information?
I've told you plenty.
>not 1180
>2080
>dropping GTX
>adopting RTX
>RTX is the name of their raytracing tech
>looks like a push for real-time raytracing is the next big trend
>not Volta architecture
>Turing architecture
If you want more go look it up yourselves. For fun, replace "do this or you're a shill" with "do this or you don't love me" and they sound like a whiny, needy, controlling woman. The tone is very similar.
45fddf No.15317926
>>15317903
That's a false equivalence. That's doesn't correlate in the slightest, even with the hamfisting you're trying to give it from your personal experiences, cuckold.
One example is someone telling a merchant to get the fuck out, the other example is a needy pathetic beta.
90c63b No.15317937
>>15317926
How can I sell you something that isn't out yet? I only asked for opinions on a big gaming news topic but people like you can't get past screeching "shill" to have any meaningful discussion. Take you low IQ posting back to cuckchan.
436788 No.15317957
>>15315709
>real-time raytracing
That sounds like it's going to cost me a pretty penny and I'll have to upgrade everything. And I JUST got enough cash to fork out for a 1080 since I have a sun burn job.
45fddf No.15317967
>>15317937
>Low IQ
>When you can't even bring any topics or discussion to warrant a thread
All you had to do is bring up specs, and post a few archived articles without sounding like a marketer, retard.
90c63b No.15318026
>>15317967
Didn't use links as that just increases shill accusations.
>You posted a link to an article? You're shilling that news website!
And even if you archive said article they attack the source of the information instead with
>[source]
I provided all the info that I've heard in a non-formal way in OP and it was deliberate to offset the aforementioned idiocy. Of course people still find ways to drag down the thread.
I came here for discussion like this (which has happened):
>Me: Look, there's a new video card coming out soon.
<Anon: What about Intel's video card?
>Me: That's not coming until 2020 and I don't have much faith in it.
<Anon: But they hired those two guys. Those two guys might make it good.
<Other Anon: Intel is removing hyper-threading from i7s.
>Me: Why not remove overclocking from the "K" CPUs while they're at it?
<[collaborative shitposting about Intel removing features ensues]
Not this shit:
>omg shill
>fucking shill
>shill
>do this or you're a shill
>get out shill
>shill
c84327 No.15318036
>>15316613
>its called raven ridge
But in a console it won't be Raven Ridge. It'll be a customized chip based off it.
>it doesnt.
Don't know that yet.
acdd6c No.15318065
Worthless thread, OP's mom is the semen toilet for the entire town and he doesn't even know his real father.
Wait until 20th August to post something, kikevidia will have an event then where they introduce the 1100 series successor.
90c63b No.15318067
>>15318020
>GTX 2050
>GTX 2060
So they're not ditching "GTX" entirely. I thought they were.
>RTX 2080 Ti
The XX80 Ti usually shows up like 6 months after the XX80 card drops, but there's been some variance there.
>4352 Cores
The previous 1080 Ti had 3584 and the 980 Ti had 2816. So it's yet another leap of 768.
See, now even I'm learning things. That's proper discussion.
80b9a4 No.15318075
>>15318026
>shill complains about shills
that's some deep astroturfing there, >>>/reddit/
3a9e38 No.15318091
>>15318041
Is that Zerosugar on the right?
45fddf No.15318120
>>15318091
He was apparently the guy goth porky pozpig blew in /that/ video
3a9e38 No.15318127
>>15318120
Was it /tv/s BO or not?
45fddf No.15318142
>>15318127
I hope so. Apparently he went MIA as a BO when the video surfaced.
479b5f No.15318183
f37319 No.15318213
>>15315845
Yeah, because he did a really good job with the RX 500 series and Vega. Oh wait Vega is slower than a 1080, costs more, and 500 series is all rebrands.
Raytracing in games right now is a gimmick, like PhysX. Nvidia will end up paying developers to use their new features, there will be one or two big games a year using it, and then it'll fall off the face of the earth until a more open standard shows up.
I don't know why Raja GPooU gets so much love.
3a9e38 No.15318265
>>15318213
>I don't know why Raja GPooU gets so much love.
He doesn't?
He's just part of a bigger effort Intel is doing towards discrete GPUs which hasn't happened since 1999.
2fd215 No.15318303
Only reason I need to upgrade is for VR, I hope the hardware and software optimization are a thing and not just some bullshit due to the VirtualLink stuff.
06e7f3 No.15318336
But will it be powerful enough to handle both real time ray tracing AND Enb?
111f48 No.15318405
>>15315709
the actual gaming cards will be presented at conference in 2 days
so fat they only announced the RTX workstation cards which cost in range of 3000 - 10 000$
so whats there to talk about?
45fddf No.15318443
>>15318405
Being the goodest goy
a60625 No.15318680
These are the supposed specs of RTX 2080 and RTX 2080TI. I am thinking on getting a new rig next year, probably will get a RTX 2080 ti…Idk…Not that I need it with my gtx 1080 right now…but I wanted to transfer my actual PC to my work…My PC at work is almost 6y old… I am tired at looking at it…
5aed26 No.15318682
>>15315709
There are no threads about it because right now it means nothing for gaming. Everything they're hyping up right now won't be feasible let alone affordable for the average consumer for at least 5 years. The only people who are getting erections are CGI animation studios and render farm owners. RTX is going to make producing high quality CGI and effect films relatively cheaper and somewhat faster but don't expect people to adopt it overnight.
Also, yeah cool we're getting better graphics and shit but the games aren't improving much.
652539 No.15318732
Stop hating on bigger corporate and buy shares instead so you profit with them.
62756d No.15318762
>There will never be another R9 290 or HD-7970 tier card again in your lifetime
Why live? Ever since late 2014 GPUs have been nothing but overprices trash that barely offer more than 10FPS boost in performance compared to older cards that cost $200 less. I want the good old ridiculously strong for their price GPUs to come back. Nvidia was on suicide watch when R9 290 came out.
d2c1d2 No.15318781
>>15315757
Is is usa monoply money or canadian toilet paper money? Never saw them that high when I checked a year back.
d2c1d2 No.15318794
90c63b No.15318816
>>15318405
>>15318443
Smash Ultimate isn't released yet so let us never speak of it. Let there be no discussion of upcoming things. The launch of this RTX stuff is much closer. Less than 2 days actually.
>>15318680
>that image
>"NVLink 2-way"
There were photos of the supposed PCB that showed they were ditching the SLI interface for what looked like a reversed NVlink. So apparently that's happening.
Right after switching to the "High Bandwidth SLI" bridge in the 10 series they're changing the SLI interface AGAIN. SLI support is circling the drain anyways. Big expensive AAA titles come out all the time that, despite their over-inflated budgets, don't bother with implementing SLI at all. If Nvidia want anyone to use SLI they'll have to change its implementation so it can be used without relying on lazy-as-fuck developers who are implementing SLI less and less. SLI, 2-way at least, does help with games that run poorly to begin with by brute-forcing through the poor optimization with sheer power and certainly helps with higher resolutions and refresh rates. If people want to sell monitors that do 4K 144Hz HDR then SLI is the only thing that is going to reliably drive that many pixels that quickly at max settings.
It's like
>here's an interface that bands together two high-end GPUs so they can gang rape anything
>oh, but no one supports the use of it
>here's a monitor that does 4K 144Hz HDR
>oh, but again you can't get hardware to run at that crazy resolution and framerate because pairing two GPUs isn't an option as no game implements it
Kills any hope in real-time raytracing as well. Despite how hard they're going to shill their RTX technology if no one uses it then it doesn't matter.
The only way we're gonna see tons of RTX stuff is if devs could add it into existing titles in an idiot-proof fashion that didn't require much effort, but that's not possible AFAIK. Like there were games that didn't support Vulcan, but Vulcan support for said games was added later, poorly added, but it could be added nonetheless. Games that were designed to support it right from the start got far more out of Vulcan, nuDOOM for example.
731b8d No.15318818
>raytracing
Raytracing looks nice, but it takes too much resources to be anything more than a meme as of yet, besides it's only going to push the flat textures meme even further, so expect developers to leave even more to the lightning engine and have flat oily fucking humans in their 12fps cinematic "game".
I just want good, fun, optimized games.
90c63b No.15318846
>>15318833
Ryzen was decent, Threadripper was fantastic , but I wish AMD would release something more competitive with Nvidia's high end gaming GPUs. The performance on that end is just dominated by Nvidia and Nvidia definitely abuse that position.
32d451 No.15318880
nvm got confused
Radeon Instinct MI25 is 14nm
but it is 12TFLOP, 16GB HBM2, VEGA 10, workstation card
who knows what they working on right now for consumers
b34d40 No.15318881
>>15317937
>How can I sell you something that isn't out yet?
pls pre-order GPU4
90c63b No.15318887
>>15318881
Where do I preorder an RTX 2080 Ti?. Please tell me, helpful merchant.
b34d40 No.15318893
>>15318887
Inside the oven.
cb3577 No.15319020
>>15315757
>over a grand for a gpu
Holy shit America what the fuck? Over here in the worst country in the world england shit like that would cost around £500-£700. nice money nerds
>>15316014
>They're like autistic normalfags
So normalfags?
a85f5a No.15319025
>>15318794
>third party seller from Europe
652539 No.15319053
>>15315757
got the current gpu prices right here. 1080ti vs vega56 and 64.
45fddf No.15319078
>>15318816
I want to get one but I'm good waiting for another revision 6 months from now.
Can't wait for the shitstorm of them selling out due to miners buying them all out.
a60625 No.15319189
>>15318816
Let's be realistic here, SLI is dead. nobody cares. It's just too expensive for most of the user base. Nobody will spend hundreds of hours to please 5% of the customers.
bfb5c8 No.15319207
>>15318816
wtf is #BeForTheGame even supposed to mean? They gonna announce a game with their card
dbac51 No.15319447
>>15315709
>Tech news is abuzz
About a shitty company known for taking any graphics card three years old or older and fucking the drivers up so hard that you suffer performance hits for the most basic and trifling shit.
There's a reason I stopped buying their trash, now go back to your (((masters))) and suck them off in the vain hopes they keep your worthless shill ass alive.
45fddf No.15320584
>>15319447
I wonder what the next AMD GPU will be like
b9f363 No.15320617
>>15318846
isn't AMD in the single digit market share right now for GPUs?
02fa10 No.15320735
>Next generation of cards coming out
>My 770 dies right fuckin' today
This can't be a coincidence, I know they did this
139ff4 No.15320747
>>15320735
Kepler has crap reliability.
85d9c8 No.15320811
>>15318336
Raytracing isn't used for the full scene, just for lighting and reflections. >>15318818
This. Art design > realism.
6acf03 No.15320836
IT'S NOT RAY TRACING
They trace one of ever 256 rays and approximate the other 255 with an algorithm. So it's fractional ray tracing. You didn't think they could actually pull this off, did you?
It only works on nvidia hardware. This is going to be as popular as hairworks, faceworks, 3dvision, physx, and SLI. Devs are not going to waste time making their games run this when only a small % of people have it.
93432f No.15320859
>>15320735
How long did it last before it died?
>>15320747
Which architecture is most reliable?
>>15320836
Novidya strikes again.
a7a596 No.15320890
>>15320836
isnt the desktop share of nvidia hardware about 95% and the rest AMD per steam stats?
a7a596 No.15320909
>>15318067
CUDA cores arent actual cores
139ff4 No.15320998
>>15320859
>Which architecture is most reliable?
Ironically Fermi is rock solid if you can keep it cooled, I have a 460 that's near launch and has been OCed for half of it's life.
Never heard anything bad about Maxwell reliability wise.
Pascal has those rampant coil whine issues but being very cool running and not using a lot of power tends to make card run longer but that's too early to tell
On AMD side pretty much everything recent is good as long as you avoid cards that don't have adequate power delivery like reference RX480 and not a flawed manufacturer design (entry level Sapphire with shit caps mostly)
Having a lot of cooling and an overkill PSU (and an UPS) is always good to keep a GPU working longer.
111f48 No.15321291
>>15320890
its more like intel has 70-80% of the market with their integrated solution and the rest is 1/3 AMD a 2/3 nvidia
111f48 No.15321299
>>15320909
i was working on my bachelor thesis in CUDA and they are really simple cores
every one of the cuda cores has its own units to work with floating point numbers
371d19 No.15321307
>>15316422
There are cards that can hit 60fps minimum and there are cards that can't. Just because you can't afford them doesn't mean they don't exist.
066135 No.15321334
Told you niggers this would happen.
d52fcd No.15321336
>>15321307
>you're just too poor to get an expensive gpu
db7fb9 No.15321343
b264bb No.15321344
>>15319189
SLI is fading because it's shit, not that it's expensive. I gave up on it as I was sick of all the incompatibilities, having to fuck around with driver settings per game, having alt+tab lock up the display, and stutters.
111f48 No.15321363
>>15321343
monopoly of who?
if you are talking about intel vs the rest you cant compare integrated solution vs dedicated card
if nvidia then 1:2 share doesnt seem like monopoly to me
45fddf No.15321472
>>15321307
Reminds me of the guy who couldn't run NiER Automata with a Xeon and 64gb of memory.
a85f5a No.15321496
>>15321472
It was two Xeons and 29GB of memory.
45fddf No.15321853
>>15321496
GEE BILLY, HOW COME YOUR MOTHER LET'S YOU HAVE TWO XEONS?
e856c7 No.15321883
>>you are too poor to buy our price hiked, tiny 50 GB/s bumped and unproved space age Ray Tracing tech, that no game is even using yet
ok then
45fddf No.15321888
>>15321883
Excellent for people who've never build a PC. That being said HOWEVER, I'm going to wait 6 more months.
036cfe No.15322052
>>15316121
No honestly I'm not, I just wanted a stable 60fps playing Hitman and I got it without a noticeable quality dip.
036cfe No.15322091
>>15322052
Here, better comparison pics. The max settings here has max SSAO, anti-aliasing, antirstropic filtering but once again I forgot to save setting picture. The textures are a bit sharper and there's shadows on the buildings, not a huge deal. Game looks like a blurred mess without sweetfx, as do a lot of games.
2915e1 No.15322184
>>15315732
>Means nothing, can play evrything i want on 60fps with a rx 580.
But not RTRT. You can't play anything with RTRT. First post retard doesn't even understand what the thread he got first post in is about.
Fuck off back to school summerfag.
2f7989 No.15322219
>>15318846
Speaking of Threadripper, does it still have win7 support? Or it won't work on it at all, unlike Ryzen?
74fd40 No.15322241
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15318213
>>15318818
>>15320811
>>15316177
>>15316597
Reminder that Raytracing doesn't just mean slightly nicer looking reflections, but the ability to move beyond the Gouraud-shaded triangles with bitmapped surfaces we've been stuck on since the 3Dfx days. We won't truly be able to take advantage of this until games built from the ground up exclusively for RTRT are made.
Vid related from 2001 demonstrates some of these features: Full global illumination with environmental and self-shadows for free, true refraction, radiosity, volumetric objects, and most importantly NON-POLYGONAL GEOMETRY (implicit solids, isosurfaces, Bézier hulls, NURBS, fractals, etc.). Article going into depth about this here:
http://mpierce.pie2k.com/pages/108.php
>>15320836
Any good reading you'd recommend on the topic?
b264bb No.15322266
>>15322091
That flat, console-friendly lighting makes everything look cheap and shitty.
036cfe No.15322340
>>15322266 checked
Agreed but I'm too busy playing to notice and care about it. Would it be nice to have shadows? Yeah but my current GPU doesn't allow that and I want to play with a decent framerate. Canadian prices are fucked up and it's actually cheaper to buy from the states although shipping will probably fuck you. Thought about going to Buffalo and pick up a few things but supposedly you need to stay in the country for 48 hours or you pay duty fees. Or I could just risk smuggling shit. Sorry I got off topic, just pissed that Canadians get fucked up prices.
111f48 No.15322360
>>15322241
since this is will be presumably the first generation of cards with native(?) RT support and is nvidia only (not part of DX, Vulcan,…) i expect something on the level of phisX
and dont expect any RT only game sooner than in 5 years if any
74fd40 No.15322451
>>15322360
There's actually nothing super-special about RTRT, as it can be implemented on practically anything capable of general-purpose computation (especially the vector-friendly hardware typically exposed through Vulcan), and is highly amenable to multithreading (so stacking up multiple GPUs for raw compute power will be more viable than ever).
While the RTX cards do apparently include some sort of new silicon block that consumes an unknown quantity of diespace, targeted by MS's new "DXR" API, even the press releases shilling it note that most of the gruntwork is still being done by the old shader cores, yielding a total system performance improvement of only 2-3x:
https://www.techpowerup.com/242504/microsoft-releases-directx-raytracing-nvidia-volta-based-rtx-adds-real-time-capability
3a9e38 No.15322456
>>15322241
>2001
It still won't kick off will it?
Just like any decent tech because everything in this industry is now shit.
795ed2 No.15322513
>>15322184
>implying anything worthwhile has ray tracing
no need to hide yourself newfag, enjoy your house warming, botnet card
139ff4 No.15322742
>>15322360
The only difference is that this gen of Nvidia card doesn't have trash compute performance and that's pretty much it, and you better fucking believe that whatever this is AMD will never be allowed to support it because their card would fucking trounce Nvidia, they're made for that kind of workload
111f48 No.15323025
>>15322827
my only hope for this that it will decrease the prices of the graphics cards
i wouldn't mind buying equivalent of 1080 for like a 500$ (costs roughly 800$ here)
45fddf No.15323042
>>15322827
Can't wait for all of these to be sold in the minute it's out for shitcoin mining.
810be2 No.15323061
>>15322091
That sharpen filter makes me hurl.
7c3154 No.15323103
>>15322091
half-life 2 looks better than this
9e9911 No.15323131
>>15323103
God fucking no. Half-life 2 looks like total ass, even when it came out.
139ff4 No.15323142
>>15322827
Meh we already know what most 20XX card will look like, which is to say either the same cooler as the 10XX or some new shit that's not as good ASUS in particular
Waiting for Gainward to "leak" it's own and maybe if the prices aren't to shit I'll swap my 1070 for a 2070
7c3154 No.15323144
>>15323131
>Half-life 2 looks like total ass, even when it came out.
complete bullshit, it looked better than any other fps else on the market at the time including doom 3 regardless of the game itself being trash, it was the only game to not look like plastic
and yes it does look better because it's not washed out trash where everything looks like playdough
02fa10 No.15323145
>>15320859
I went to check if the warranty was still valid; turns out it lasted a little over 4 years from my purchase date. For reference, nvidia's warranty is for 3 years after your purchase.
9e9911 No.15323165
>>15323144
Maybe for its time, but it's aged like milk today. I'd say MGSV is the height of graphic achievement.
45fddf No.15323183
>>15323165
Yakuza impresses me a bit more I'd say
3a9e38 No.15323203
>>15323165
>>15323131
>It aged like milk
>Better textures, lighting and physics than 90% of games released
Half Life was a playable tech demo, fuckoff underage.
9e9911 No.15323212
>>15323203
>Half Life was a playable tech demo
No wonder it played like ass.
90c63b No.15323213
>>15323042
>Can't wait for all of these to be sold in the minute it's out for shitcoin mining.
New Nvidia cards going out of stock within seconds was happening even before crypto currency was popular resulting in "2 per household" limits.
Scalpers, profiteers, whatever you wanna call them, buy the big new video card in bulk then re-sell with a colossal markup. It happens on every fucking launch. If anyone was actually thinking of buying one of these day one they've got another thing coming.
7e0a8f No.15323317
Until I see real world benchmarks from smaller unbiased tech journalists like steve gamers nexus and shit I'm not gonna believe a fucking thing.
It's gimp works all over again and won't be widely adopted outside of tech demo type games like physx flopped until consoles picked up amds hardware and did their own version.
NO console manufacturers wunna deal with nvidia so we won't see this until 202x at least
797da8 No.15323325
>>15323213
Plus buying the default card and not proper producer versions that come out after the card debuts is pure retardation.
111f48 No.15323349
according to the latest leaks RTX 2080 will cost 800$ and 2080Ti will be around 1000$
90c63b No.15323352
>>15323317
That guy needs to update his testing for small cases. No one is putting a Mini-ITX board with a downdraft cooler into a Micro-ATX case which has far more space. Such a test is a complete waste of everyone's time. He realizes this, mentions it, yet still hasn't come up with another standardized test more suited to those larger cases that aren't proper SFF.
7e0a8f No.15323368
>>15323352
>muh cases
Who gives a fuck I have a 10 year old Silverstone Ft01 that flows so much better than modern shit because it has BIG VENTS and lightweight aluminium that stays cool.
Even handled a 2700x + Vega 56 ON STOCK COOLING only thing I had to do was take some of the 5 1/4 inch floppy drive bay brackets off
Big glass cases with shit airflow are gonna flow like shit I really couldn't give a fuck about how a pc looks as long as it works
90c63b No.15323372
>>15323325
You mean aftermarket cards with aftermarket coolers. What Nvidia has called the "founders edition" (default card with default blower-style cooler) still has a use in open loop cooling as the FE cards have the most compatible water blocks available for them. Actually, there are aftermarket air coolers you can slap onto them too. The aftermarket cards do however often use a wider PCB with better power delivery.
90c63b No.15323382
>>15323368
>foot reflection
SFF cases are challenging and fun to work with though. It's neat when you get to cram so much performance into a small space. Unfortunately a lot of them are absurdly expensive for what they are.
74fd40 No.15323387
>>15323382
>not putting stealth dick pics in your eBay listings
7e0a8f No.15323397
>>15320836
So? It's not like it's gonna be widely adopted until apis and games are built from the ground up specifically for it and that will take a decade to become mainstream on common hardware + software
>>15323382
Imma hobbit
Sff seem like a good idea but if your spacecucked it's just over complicating things.
Like cramming a buzzy turbo engine into a small car Vs getting a lazy old v8 in a big barge and just not giving a fuck about stupid heating cooling issues and future expansion
7e0a8f No.15323398
>>15323387
Lol the absolute noodle dick
5b5e72 No.15323406
>>15315757
>A grand for a GPU
No.
3a9e38 No.15323431
>>15323212
Pretty much, just like MGSV
>>15323349
>A grand
Was anyone expecting any less from Kikevidya?
300 dollarydoos are probably attached just for RTRT marketing.
0444e8 No.15323548
>>15315745
>>15315892
>>15315908
>>15316989
>>15317903
>>15317926
>>15317967
>>15318065
>>15318075
>mfw you can't even mention a company or show any positive feeling towards anything because /v/ will call you a shill.
>mfw /v/ ACTUALLY thinks big companies like nvidia give a shit about the ~ten users that come here.
>mfw op has to make a disclaimer, telling people he's not being payed by nvidia just so he can fucking talk on the board.
man, remember when we had a fun halo thread the week of the exodus? Not anymore! You're a shill if you like halo.
VR games? nope, it's a gimmick, and you're being payed DIRECTLY by mark zuck if you mention it.
Tech news? lol, simply stating current happenings is enough to have you silenced, and your posts discarded
Can't fucking post here without //ACTUAL// autistic people screeching about their tinfoil hats.
Do you guys really think that you're such a valued part of these companies' revenue that the IP holders are willing to pay niggers to just come here and advertise to you? Really?
And good God, this thread isn't even that bad of a culprit. This thread is a blessing, the shill witch-hunt posters aren't even that abundant here, but I find it sad that I'm actually having sighs of relief from this thread because "Oh thank goodness, this thread is only 30% shill-spouters, as opposed to the 90%. Must be a good day!"
This board is fucking retarded.
7e0a8f No.15323558
>>15323431
At lease the midrange stuff is still OK 300 gtx 2060 with gtx 1080 performance is a good gain its just the highend stuff is over priced
3a9e38 No.15323587
>>15323548
Only Halo 1 was decent honestly
The issue isn't talking about it, it's the retarded fans it has that come here and pretend like the game is some sort of fucking masterpiece.
>>15323558
>its just the highend stuff is over priced
That's one of issues I have with Nvidia
Why buy a midrange from them when an AMD card is cheaper and has around the same performance in that range?
7e0a8f No.15323619
>>15323587
Being the madman that I am I bought a 56 and wunna see how it ages.
Siege ran the best on it as of around 2 months ago but every other game was abysmal.
I hope nvidia dropping rtx a couple of years early (compared to amd and Intel) make their 202x cards good because amd hasn't had anything decent since the 7970 290 and 580
I had a 290 and 390x for two years it was fast as fuck but the power draw was insane and these new 2080s peaking 285w VS my piddly 180w 1080 is insane
Power usage isn't so much a roblem as fuck huge dies and having to cool 300w going through them something even a massive trifan on my 390x struggled with
111f48 No.15323620
>>15323431
i was hoping the release og the 2000 series would drive down prices of the 1000 series but nvidia just decided to scale it up
3a9e38 No.15323638
>>15323619
Good thing I live in a temperate weather
I'll be sticking with my RX480 for a while
Just need to replace my 2012 Jewtel, might go for Ryzen.
>>15323620
>i was hoping the release og the 2000 series would drive down prices of the 1000 series
That barely happens anymore, especially due to the recent manufacturing issues.
Just get a refurbished, your won't get shit in MSRP, doubly so from Kikevidya, they could at least do said cuts on their official digital storefront since that's free of any middle man, but no.
7e0a8f No.15323650
>>15323638
Lucky I get 30-4x degrees with humidity and rain out the ass because Aussie hinterlands for 3/4 of the year
Cheaper to turn the wall rattler on than invest in custom closed loop stuff but eventually I will.
Until then noctura are goat
3a9e38 No.15323679
>>15323650
>30-40
15-25 here lad, get on my level
t.Alberto Barbosa
>but eventually I will
Thankfully opening the window and tri monthly cleaning is more than enough here.
7e0a8f No.15323689
>>15323679
Running a 390x was hell even with ac lol I can't imagine how bad these new rtx cards will be under load
90c63b No.15324118
>>15323638
>Just need to replace my 2012 Jewtel, might go for Ryzen.
I went with a Ryzen 1600X when making a build that was a bit more budget-oriented and haven't had any problems with it thus far. The initial launch of the Ryzen series was plagued with poor memory support but by Ryzen 2 they've pretty much got it sorted out. I'd upgrade my 1600X to an R7 2700X, but I'm not certain the board could handle it well enough, at least for overclocking.
For gaming the performance isn't the absolute best you could get, but at least AMD uses a soldered IHS instead of slapping some cheap toothpaste under there like Intel; creating poor thermals that you have to void your warranty to fix via delidding.
3a9e38 No.15324168
>>15324118
I just want to future proof myself using mid range stuff.
The i5 3570K I own lasted me nearly 6 years and only now am I seeing a need to upgrade.
0e5070 No.15324170
>>15324118
> fix via delidding.
With liquid metal.
01371f No.15324198
>>15323587
>Only Halo 1 was decent honestly
so the issue is literally talking about it then
df64a9 No.15324252
No one is talking about it because literally no one cares. GPU prices are still fucked, and no, getting back to inflated MSRP prices is not back to 'normal'. The RX 580 should be $150 right now or less, the GTX 1060 about the same. The GTX 1080 Ti should be around $500. Prices are still fucked and Nvidia is price gouging like a motherfucker and everyone knows it. Anyone with any sense is going to avoid these new cards like the plague.
Everyone should be hoping AMD is using all that Ryzen cash to invest in a new GPU arch to compete and force Nvidia to actually try, like they did with Intel.
371d19 No.15324411
>>15321336
>>15321472
>>15321496
I'm not denying that games are horribly unoptimized - I pirated we happy few, and it is an embarrassment with performance.
Also that Xeon tard deserves it, only Linux makes proper use of multicore systems. If you are gaming you need low latency graphics pipeline and high IPC everywhere.
371d19 No.15324419
>>15324252
>Tfw got my 1080 Ti for regular price 2nd week
:^)
fd63db No.15324423
AMD is still full of bugs in all games and emulators, i'd like to see they fix their shitty performance in that regard first, because unless they leave the Njews by some obscene margin i'd still take the green side.
371d19 No.15324433
>>15324423
Unaware of any bugs, I thought it was just a lack of instruction sets?
df64a9 No.15324436
>>15324433
AMD OpenGL performance is hit or miss, but really Vulcan should be taking over for a lot of what OpenGL did before, which AMD is amazing at. It's just a matter of getting people to get off their ass and fucking do it. AKA The Linux Problem.
371d19 No.15324445
>>15324436
rpcs3 started implementing vulkan a while ago, and it did give huge gains for everyone. My understanding is with Vulkan, you're as close to the hardware so to speak as possible. Something very useful for emulator projects, but perhaps not for AAA titles that don't care about performance for gfx splendor.
I do remember back when I was on a r9 290x though, both DOOM and DX:HR had nearly doubled FPS running in Vulkan mode, and I was very hopeful at the time.
60c92c No.15324567
>>15315709
999$ for 2080 launch price
TI variant most likely 1499$
No thanks
0c3e3a No.15324574
Who even are these gays that are on this perpetual treadmill of sidegrades? I'm still sitting on a 750 Ti and could care less. I still hope the bitmining bubble blows up in their faces too.
b264bb No.15324597
I'm still doubtful Vulkan will end up so cross-platform that console devs won't see it as yet another porting target. I don't understand why they went with SPIR-V as it seems like it just adds yet another target to have to port to and would make it hard to reason about the performance of the generated code as it's no longer fully under your control. No one wanted to touch that shit prior to Vulkan and today it's unheard of outside of gaming to not just directly compile a CUDA kernel so I suspect it's fucked but I've been out of that loop for years.
b264bb No.15324630
>>15324567
>implying AMD did not convert into a space heater vendor years ago
a60625 No.15324869
>>15322091
There is something wrong with the max setting sc without fx, some textures are missing. This is what should look like on max settings, note the street details, on yours there are textures missing and there is no AA
fd63db No.15324884
>>15322091
>Game looks like a blurred mess without sweetfx, as do a lot of games.
I can't play without using LumaSharpen and Clarity set to radius 1, i don't know why nobody complains about textures turning blurry as fuck as soon as you walk 10 feet away in 99% of games.
d88d27 No.15325026
>>15324869
The main problem is that he thinks 1440p can look good in the first place.
d88d27 No.15325059
63a818 No.15326256
>>15316487
> could hit 4K reliably
That doesn't mean anything ,cards come with 2K/4K ready stickers since what 2010? because they can output your desktop at 4K not the game at ultra
63a818 No.15326264
>>15323397
>It's not like it's gonna be widely adopted until apis and games are built from the ground up specifically for it and that will take a decade to become mainstream on common hardware + software
And even that would be wishing for a lot ,There aren't even many games or software designed for multi core yet
d52fcd No.15326279
>>15324436
>tfw Pete won't rise from the dead and give us a sexy vulkan plugin for PS1 emulation
63a818 No.15326287
>>15322451
I think that Luke from LTT has a good point "It might be 1080 with a Raytracing chip slapped on it" and "They call it 2080 because it's not much of a improvement ,not really a 1180"
63a818 No.15326295
>>15323213
What happened to that ship full of 1080/ti's one of the asian countries was sending back,did it (((sink)))
8c404f No.15326299
here's my creative argument:
amd is fucking gay
772a4c No.15326308
8 hours of relief remain. All aboard the rusting slow trainwreck that is the dissapointment train.
Just like mark having sex, the thought intrudes your brain over and over on how it's going to be, gives you a visceral curiosity, and it just ends up ending in shame, tears, disgust, pig fat, tiny dry dehydrated gelatenous drops of jew sperm, green shit, and dissapointment, being all people will talk about for the next few weeks.
480362 No.15326471
is it worth trying to sell my unopened 1070 for like 250$ to 300$ and then ttry to buy a 1080 or 2060 or 2070 in a few months with tthat money? Or am I unlikely to sell the 1070 for that much now, or will none of those cards be at tthe 300$-400$ range by then?
I only have a 1080p/60fps display so I understtand that aa 1080 o 1080ti is overkill for that right now, but I want to be able to keep a solid 60fps at high settings on any given game for the next 5 years or so, so I'm concerneed a 1070 won't be enough for that.
7e0a8f No.15326554
>>15324118
This is kinda false Ryzen 1 and b3xx memory support was mostly fixed in bios updates.
Can confirm that it's kinda slow at gaming the Min avg fps is great but the ipc and slower clocks hurt high fps caps compared to my 2700x
>>15326264
Multi core module gpu or CPU? If you're talking about multi thread/core CPU that has been false since 2005 unless your somehow running a single threaded game like arma 3 or whatever because it ha to be a real price of shit game
ef8b0c No.15326591
>>15315757
Lol wtf are those prices, when I look up a 1080 TI on newegg I can find one for $749 max. What kind of cards are you looking at. Is this bait or something?
2e943c No.15326626
>>banking entirely on unproved space age tech that has zero implementations ingames that run in realtime and are actually enjoyable to play
someone had to make this bet, lets see how it will turn out
i expect midrange AMD card later with 3rd of the price and somekind of variant of this that ill probably buy
oh well
2e943c No.15326633
>>15324597
cg (which i really like because of its simplicity) has been abandoned by nvidia
GLSL is ass and HLSL is proprietary Microsoft stuff
so we have SPIR-V
79b241 No.15326642
What's with the communists in this thread complaining about the prices? There are two companies producing GPUs for a global market, they set the prices they want rightfully. If you can't afford it just buy the cheaper cards.
6e2449 No.15326808
>>15324252
>Everyone should be hoping AMD is using all that Ryzen cash to invest in a new GPU arch to compete and force Nvidia to actually try, like they did with Intel.
are the Vega drivers out yet
>>15324630
wish I hadn't forgotten which Intlel CPU couldn't stay under 100 celsius when on LN2, shit was pretty rad
ef6257 No.15326814
>>15324567
You people are delusional. My GPU is 5 years old and I barely see it get over 35 celsius
fd63db No.15326820
>>15326814
Try booting your PC
ef8b0c No.15326841
>>15324567
The TI variant is 1k, the regular is something like 700 or 800.
a8077b No.15327079
>>15326642
From my experience, those that complain about prices, at most get a xx70 almost close to a new launch, but usually they go with xx60, xx50. Never go for the top tier, never experience the little joy that is of never looking at system requirements for a couple of years…
c0fd0d No.15327325
>>15323558
Nope, if the rumors are to be believed the 2060 will be something between 350-450 price. That said the same rumors were right about the pricing of the 2080 and Ti.
>>15324252
Hell no, AMD should focus on Ryzen, not bleed money to RTG so the mongoloids can buy cheaper Nvidia cards, let Papa Huang rape the shits that wanted a monopoly.
7e0a8f No.15327342
>>15327325
Welp that's fucked
Gonna keep my gtx 1080 for ever
b2ba7d No.15327533
ONE MORE HOUR GOYIM. GET HYPE.
For some fucking reason I can't find a screenshot of that one communist faggot employee
d2fc7a No.15327611
ONE HOUR TO temporally upsampled RAY TRACING AND half-assed GLOBAL ILLUMINATION
95df53 No.15327656
Anybody remember that nvidia conference with the crowbar?
>Camera man 1,pls stop
55699b No.15327729
I hope the prices are reasonable.
90c63b No.15327878
>>15327729
They'll probably jack up the prices a little higher than the MSRP of the last series. Cryptocurrency has died down significantly, yet still plenty of retailers still aren't selling at MSRP anyways.
I've heard speculation that they would drop the highest end model 2080 Ti right out of the gate, but they usually take 6-9 months after the XX80 before dropping the XX80 Ti on the market so that wouldn't make much sense.
641818 No.15327947
90c63b No.15327950
Oh fuck, the rainbow hair and soy is already live.
>hashtag nerd life
>I do hacker shows
The cringe is coming in hot, boys.
90c63b No.15327965
>muh hype
>hype
>pumped
>that's hype
>get hyped
b000ac No.15327966
Could someone post a link?
50e68f No.15327992
>>15327965
>>15327950
All this fucking soy.
Disgusting.
b000ac No.15327996
>>15327972
Thanks for the autism
4a07cc No.15328010
>plug in controller for fortnite for aim assist
>PRO GAYMER
641818 No.15328011
>can you give me some Fortnite tips
IT'S GETTING WORSE
90c63b No.15328012
<how do I git gud at fortnite?
>controller
>aim assist
Gas this stream.
b3f0c6 No.15328034
>>15327950
What in the actual fuck is going on with that guys head?
90c63b No.15328043
>just hide the entire game
<great strategy!
For fuck sake.
641818 No.15328051
>I'm good at Fortnite, I'm in the top 100 every time
<I somehow doubt that
>No, each match is 100 players
<Oh
WHY DO THEY GET THESE PEOPLE
WHY DON'T THEY GET PEOPLE THAT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT
I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE SPECIFICATIONS JESUS FUCK
eb348a No.15328056
When are they talking about the gpu, or did i miss it?
90c63b No.15328061
>>15328051
But don't you want to see Twitch "influencers" like "Gassy Mexican"?
95df53 No.15328066
>>15328061
I'd rather gas a mexican
641818 No.15328068
>>15328056
I thought they were unveiling it at noon, but I guess not.
>>15328061
I want to be enlightened, not entertained.
b000ac No.15328069
Could ISIS please show up and behead them?
55699b No.15328098
Where the fuck is the Hardware?
90c63b No.15328099
>>15328056
>When are they talking about the gpu, or did i miss it?
Actual presentation hasn't started yet. They have their chosen "hype people" who are tech illiterate soyboy casuals talking about their great Fornite strategy of "hiding the entire game" and "switching to a controller to use aim assist". No, I'm not exaggerating.
4a07cc No.15328106
>10 minutes in
>presentation still not started
eb348a No.15328109
How many times can he say virtual reality?
d2fc7a No.15328110
Who the fuck are these rainbow hair people?
55699b No.15328134
>>15328125
Get that Wojack shit out of here, soy boy.
90c63b No.15328150
Finally someone was on there actually talking about the tech instead of spewing inane causal bullshit.
55699b No.15328156
55699b No.15328172
Okay, video card time.
WHAT ARE THOSE PRICES?
55699b No.15328176
641818 No.15328179
7c18f7 No.15328182
90c63b No.15328183
>everything on the web
>every spec is wrong
So nvidia was doing fake leaks just to fuck with people?
55699b No.15328188
>>15328183
That would be genius if they did.
d2fc7a No.15328189
>>15328181
>Geforce 256
>the first GPU
By their retarded definition, sure.
b9f363 No.15328191
>>15328172
well for the price of the mid-range card you can buy a ps4 pro and two dozen games.
90c63b No.15328199
>1180
>all the leaks are wrong
Is he fucking with us?
4a07cc No.15328201
>>15328191
>gtx 1080 TI
>mid range
nigga what
641818 No.15328205
Why does he sound like he doesn't know what he's talking about?
eb348a No.15328207
>>15328205
sounds me when repeating something, he's probably using a script
90c63b No.15328212
eb348a No.15328215
>cpu performance curve
fucking hell
d25a59 No.15328216
>>15328107
>That webm
It was physically painful to watch, he needs toa be gassed for good.
4a07cc No.15328221
641818 No.15328227
eb348a No.15328232
He actually sounds like an analyst/businessman to me
641818 No.15328244
>>15328232
He's one of the most popular CEOs on Wall Street. If you ever watch Mad Money, Cramer always raves about him and considers him the Einstein of business. He even named his dog Nvidia.
90c63b No.15328245
>>15328232
Maybe all the retarded casuals they had hyping things up before the stream were to make him sound smarter?
90c63b No.15328254
>star wars demo they've already shown before
eb348a No.15328267
>reflection of her reflection of her reflection of her reflection of her reflection of her reflection of her reflection of her reflection of her reflection of her reflection
55699b No.15328269
>>15328254
FUCKING STARWARS
90c63b No.15328270
Well, here's that. Again. They've already shown this demo other times.
64186b No.15328277
>>15328269
I CLAPPED WHEN I RECOGNIZED MIKE STOKLASA
641818 No.15328278
90c63b No.15328279
three thousand easy payments!
eb348a No.15328283
Real time ray-tracing goy!
55699b No.15328286
>>15328272
>>15328279
>The number didn't work
JEWS
962025 No.15328290
>>15328272
>>15328279
>>15328283
>3000 easy payments
>3000 months is 250 years
6e2449 No.15328293
>>15328272
>$19.95*
<*$60.00
90c63b No.15328296
Well that reference fell flat.
b9f363 No.15328311
>>15328201
Sorry, the 1080 is mid range, the 1080ti is mid-high.
00331b No.15328316
>>15328311
1060 is mid, 1080 is high
eb348a No.15328319
>>15328311
Then what's high?
90c63b No.15328323
Eight times the raytracing performance of a 1080 Ti and all they did was add a dedicated RT core that does highly optimized raytracing. lol what do you expect.
>TEN TEN-EIGHTY TEE EYES!!
b9f363 No.15328324
>>15328316
no, 1060 is low end. It's in the codename, gp104 is 1080, 04 has always been reserved for nvidia's mid end.
>>15328319
titanx/xp
b000ac No.15328326
That's some nice mental gymnastics
962025 No.15328346
>>15328324
>04
>>15328324
> 04 has always been reserved for nvidia's mid end.
Those numbers are completely made up and only there so retards like you fork over more money.
6e2449 No.15328347
55699b No.15328351
55699b No.15328355
>>15328347
>>15328338
Could you NOT sperg out over hotpockets every chance you get?
b9f363 No.15328367
>>15328346
>Those numbers are completely made up
on the contrary, you can see the trend starting with the 700 series. It sounds like it was you who fell for the marketing and now you're barking to defend your master. How does it feel to do the bidding of a chink company?
4a07cc No.15328381
b9f363 No.15328392
7c18f7 No.15328393
>See that reflection over there, you can reflect it.
e10c85 No.15328394
>>15315757
This is why I bought a car and driver's license instead of a GPU. Fuck these prices.
eb348a No.15328401
962025 No.15328403
>>15328367
They've been following the same naming conventions since the 700 series because they convince braindead ligma patients that anyone who says they're meaningless is a chink shill.
641818 No.15328408
>10 years just to do a Doom emote
b9f363 No.15328416
>>15328403
Nope, because they rebranded the x8x tier GPUs as their mid-end, the x6x as their mid end, and the x5x as their low end with everything below it basically being off the radar. It didn't used to be this way.
90c63b No.15328417
We've already seen this demo too. Ending is fucking cringey.
b000ac No.15328423
>>15328408
But muh reflections
eb348a No.15328432
>AI can make jewish faces from a drawing
SHUT IT DOWN
55699b No.15328433
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST AND WHEN CAN I BUY IT?
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY
55699b No.15328438
>>15328432
Anyone have the 3D Model made by some angry revolt tard?
55699b No.15328440
>>15328438
Wait, I forgot. It was made by ant modeler, not the ggrevolt people.
641818 No.15328452
This reminds me of Sam Hyde's TEDx conference.
c0fd0d No.15328454
Price are up for the Founders Edition
2080 Ti - 1200
2080 - 800
Prepare the lube goy. But but is has them gay tracing LMAO.
b9f363 No.15328461
>>15328454
give it 3 years, the cattle will be eating it up.
641818 No.15328473
I hope that the first game they feature isn't Fortnite.
f291c9 No.15328475
>>15315776
It's amazing. Doesn't matter how rich and 'well raised' a pajeet may be, it will always look dirty, disgusting and surrounded by a shit-smelling aura
cab9b5 No.15328478
eb348a No.15328479
>>15328473
I hope it is :^)
c0fd0d No.15328485
2070 is also up 600 shekels goy. If 2070 is that much expect 2060 to be around 450 hahahaha.
55699b No.15328492
>>15328478
>800 dollars
JUST
b9f363 No.15328497
>>15328485
>$600 mid end GPUs
wew
90c63b No.15328499
>>15328478
So the 2080 Ti is coming out at the same time but the prices are fucking insane compared to last generation so it doesn't particularly matter.
b9f363 No.15328514
>>15328499
It's still gonna sell. The market is fucked.
eb348a No.15328535
>everything just works goy
43f27c No.15328548
>>15328530
I don't see any difference at all.
90c63b No.15328556
>>15328499
>>15328514
>>15328497
>>15328492
>>15328485
>>15328478
I have a theory. It's a fact that they over-produced the 10 series for the mining craze, but then the mining crazy ended and they were left with tons of stock of the 10 series, some retailers were even turning away stock because there was so much.
Theory is, they jacked up the prices of the 20 series so they would not have to significantly decrease the prices on the 10 series, even though they have a very large supply of 10 series.
111f48 No.15328563
>>15328478
>nvidia counting their sheckels
90c63b No.15328569
>>15328548
Here's another one then.
111f48 No.15328576
>>15328530
wow its fucking nothing
also
>raytracing is much more cost effective
yea sure buddy
43f27c No.15328583
>>15328569
It looks like as if the direct only mixes with rtx off. This seems rather pointless.
641818 No.15328585
Who wants to bet that this is actually Todd Howard in a skin suit?
b9f363 No.15328588
>>15328556
there was a lot of production problems with the 10 series on its fab process early on.
>>15328576
only for game devs
c0fd0d No.15328591
>>15328530
Even the soy audience is not impressed with that anemic applause.
>>15328556
A have to agree with this if look at Nvidia past record.
90c63b No.15328592
>>15328576
"Cost effective" in the sense that you're not dumping money into trickery to create realistic lighting/reflections/shadows. Devs can be even lazier because IT JUST WERKS.
4a07cc No.15328600
>the anticipation of battlefield V is out of this world
which is why the preorders are shit ;^)
b000ac No.15328617
>reflections in oily characters eyes
Nigger don't you have something better to do
90c63b No.15328626
>REFLECTIONS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME
I told you they'd be pushing this really hard. As hard as VR was promoted at least.
c0fd0d No.15328637
Nobody is clapping, then the Novideo PR guy does his clapping by himself to get everyone else started, pathetic.
90c63b No.15328650
>>15328617
"Reflections on fucking everything! You'll have reflections coming out of your ass!"
Honestly this is just a low-effort way for devs to do lighting. They don't have to rely on more time consuming or expensive methods
eb348a No.15328652
>>15328626
Watch as it slowly dies because of having no impact on overall game quality
2e5e08 No.15328671
c0fd0d No.15328686
>>15328652
Its PhysX all over again.
43f27c No.15328689
>>15328666
Satan, we get it they're all absolute shit with an unnecessary graffix gimmick.
90c63b No.15328693
There's the reveal. Finally.
>dual fan
Now what will the aftermarket designs have to use?
d2fc7a No.15328698
90c63b No.15328699
>"starting at 499"
>shows the 1200 dollar model
LOL
d2fc7a No.15328708
>>15328699
Oh, so that's the price for the 2050 then. Fuck it.
111f48 No.15328710
>>15328693
>Now what will the aftermarket designs have to use?
triple fan duh
90c63b No.15328714
Wait a minute. The 1080 ti is 999?
The preorder prices are jacked up even more than MSRP!
90c63b No.15328718
641818 No.15328722
>2070 higher performance than Titan XP
Well shit.
b000ac No.15328726
>let's invent a new undefined measurement unit so our shit looks better
Classic nvidia.
b9f363 No.15328732
>>15328726
don't forget, AMD is just as bad :^)
eb348a No.15328741
90c63b No.15328748
>>15328714
>>15328718
Look at this preorder jewry! Preorder is much higher than the MSRP!
641818 No.15328749
So how will AMD respond to this?
d2fc7a No.15328751
>>15328726
An RTX OP is just fp32, fp16 and integer operations added together in a mixed bag of shit. They could release a card with nothing but int8 accumulators and it would be the BEST CARD WE'VE EVER MADE THE BEST CARD EVER, THE BEST CARD, ONE BAZILLION RTX TOPS, ONE BAZZILLION OPS. HOLY SHIT
43f27c No.15328761
>>15328748
(((Founder's Edition)))
90c63b No.15328822
>>15328749
AMD haven't competed with the highest end Nvidia cards for a very long time so they'll probably continue as usual but will very likely jump onto the raytracing bandwagon.
b17531 No.15328842
>>15328822
This isn't ray-tracing, it's half-assed lighting.
2e5e08 No.15328861
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>15328842
This. We can barely run Quake 2 on a GTX Titan.
90c63b No.15328874
>>15328693
>>15328710
I feel sorry for those with use cases that do better with a blower style cooler such as small enclosures. Axial coolers blow hot air all over the place and even re-circulate heat back into the video card. An axial cooler does well if you've got a case fan close enough to keep feeding it ample air, especially a side panel fan or a bottom intake.
>>15328842
It's lower fidelity raytracing. The technique is cut down to a method that is less taxiing but looks decent. Full raytracing would be impossible.
b9f363 No.15328875
>>15328861
it's AI accelerated raytracing for certain features meant for game development that'll be trickled down to users. It is actually far beyond what a titan can do. Nvidia's been a major player in the AI field.
b17531 No.15328932
>>15328875
>it's AI accelerated raytracing
It's half-assed lighting.
641818 No.15328970
>>15328861
Path tracing is different from ray tracing. IIRC, path tracing natrually simulates light whereas ray tracing requires shaders for many lighting solutions.
b9f363 No.15328999
>>15328932
if that's how you want to buzzword it go for it, I'm just being accurate.
641818 No.15329008
>>15328875
So the Titan XP doesn't use artificial intelligence, right? Is the reason why the 2070 is computationally superior to the Titan XP because of this alone?
b9f363 No.15329020
>>15329008
no but it's the biggest deciding factor
641818 No.15329038
>>15329020
The 2070 is nearly $1000 cheaper, so the architecture change must be pretty fucking significant to be able to price something so reasonably.
74fd40 No.15329070
>>15328970
Yeah, that's an almost completely different type of renderer, a type FAR more computationally intensive than raytracing, even with all sorts of add-ons (radiosity, soft shadows, photon mapping, etc.) to compensate for most of raytracing's deficiencies relative to a pathtracer. Most particularly, the speckle artifacts at low ray-counts are much more obvious and difficult to interpolate than the blotcheyness in low ray-count raytracing.
Other poster was right that what nVidia is demoing is only partial RT, but full RTRT isn't unrealistically demanding on modern hardware.
>>15329008
No, the 2xxx chips include some sort of fixed-function silicon to perform certain raytracing operations (the "AI" is simply to help interpolate between rays, much like "neural net" scalers such as Waifu2x), but the speedup is only about 2-3x.
96d845 No.15329135
>>15328530
This looks good, desu, but I'm not sure how this compares to the shadows my 1070 would create.
111f48 No.15329169
>>15328761
tell me captain if nvidia card are so good where are the prices
641818 No.15329170
>>15329070
>No, the 2xxx chips include some sort of fixed-function silicon to perform certain raytracing operations
But how would it perform compared to the XP with games that don't have ray tracing?
111f48 No.15329194
>>15328804
>at max OC it is quiet
well that doesnt even make any sense
>preordering HW
>preordering HW for more money than at release
90c63b No.15329291
>>15329169
>where are the prices
See: >>15328748
Geforce RTX 2080 Ti
Pre-order $1,199.00
MSRP $999.00
Geforce RTX 2080
Pre-order $799.00
MSRP $699.00
Geforce RTX 2070
Pre-order $599.00
MSRP $499.00
Conclusion: Don't pre-order unless you want to spend 100 or 200 dollars more than the actual launch price. But of course none of this pricing matters since right after the launch they're going to be bought out of stock by scalpers and resold for double or more. It happens on every new video card launch.
9dd9fd No.15329302
>>15328748
>20% more to beta test their new architecture
Nvidia clearly isn't going to stop doing this anytime soon.
>500 united states dollars for the step-down xx70 model
They've also managed to inflate pricing there by 40+% from just a few years ago..No wonder they're killing AMD in the stock market.
6fb19f No.15329480
I haven't seen any one point this out yet, but the reference cards and the Founders Edition Cards are not the same. The prices pointed out in the slideshow are for the reference cards and the ones available for pre-order are the Founders Edition which are like AIB partner cards.
90c63b No.15329568
They added this USB type C connector for "muh VR" and moved one of the DP connections into the second slot so now the card cannot be made into a single slot card with a full coverage waterblock.
Second pic is what I'm talking about. There were tons of cards in the 10 series that you couldn't do this with because most aftermarket designs had a DVI connector in the second slot, soldered onto the PCB, when they could have just included a DP to DVI adapter. It looks like the aftermarket designs for 20 series aren't cramming a DVI connector onto the back anymore and instead use an adapter, but there's a DP connection there anyways.
23cf61 No.15329583
>>15329568
But goy, our new card is so well cooled and silent that you don't need watercooling!
Better preorder now if you're not stupid :^)
b9f363 No.15329608
>>15329568
It's really obvious but for anyone unsure, Nvidia just throws out proprietary and re-branded tech after rebranded tech, they're constantly flinging shit out there to get people to use at least some of it. Adaptation of it may be gradual and might fail for 90% of their projects, but if even 10% catches on it's good enough for them.
90c63b No.15329628
Looks like the 2080 Ti is using two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors with a 13 phase VRM. The 2080 uses an 8-pin + 6-pin while having an 8-phase VRM. The 2070 has no PCI-E power connectors so it's going to draw all power directly through the PCI-E slot like the lower end cards of the 10 series did and 2070 has a 6-phase VRM.
Given the power design I don't think the 2070 is going to be very impressive.
74fd40 No.15329695
>>15329568
Especially since the 1xxx series dumped DACs, so those are just DVI-D, no matter the OEM.
61e342 No.15329700
>>15328556
Probably true. Shills on other forums have been speaking about the price/performance ratio way more than normal and saying "well if it's better by X% and it costs X% more than it makes sense". No you dumb autists, this is a new generation and I expect more performance for the same price, not this bullshit. You watch, these cocksuckers will drop prices on 10xx series stuff by $50, call it a "liquidation", and wait until the stocks get bought up. End result? RTX 20xx cards prices will decrease, but they will settle at least $100 higher (probably $200 or more) than the 10xx series until AMD finally hits the market again.
Pray for AMD to actually be competitive, and maybe even buy their stuff for once. Personally I'm just going to grab a mid range card and wait for AMD.
b9f363 No.15329724
>>15329700
AMD isn't gonna compete. At best you'll have another ryzen G series for a solid mid-end solution.
6fb19f No.15329728
>>15329628
Actually the power port is on the side, here's a pic from the official site.
90c63b No.15329770
>>15329728
Wait, why did they put it on that side on ONLY the 2070? That makes no sense.
Should have put it on that side for all of them. EVGA made a 10 dollar adapter just to move the connections to that side for muh aesthetics.
90c63b No.15329792
>>15329583
You can still water cool it, you just can't replace the 2-slot PCI-E bracket with a single slot bracket. This piece right here.
b9f363 No.15329794
>>15329770
>muh aesthetics
helps with cable management plenty too.
90c63b No.15329807
>>15329794
I have two of them, but I stopped using them since my new computer case has my reservoir very close to that side of the video cards thus no space to plug cables in that way.
90c63b No.15329832
>>15329568
>>15329792
On second look there are aftermarket designs that remove that DP port on the second slot, so it will be possible to make it into a single slot water cooled card. Assuming a compatible waterblock is made.
b9f363 No.15329834
>>15329807
Thanks for reminding me that GPUs are the size of bricks these days. I was really excited when AMD did the Fury Nano because it seemed like a decently powerful GPU and was a really compact card.
90c63b No.15329872
I'm starting to wonder how hot the 2080 Ti will get. I'm seeing a lot of beefy-looking 2.5 and 3 slot designs on these aftermarket coolers. Water cooling is definitely gonna be the best option if they're cramming this much copper and aluminum onto this thing for air cooling.
May we see a resurrection of Fermi-tier heat output? AMD's Tahiti surpassed Fermi for heat output but now we may see some legitimacy return to the Nvidia house fire memes.
90c63b No.15329880
Even EVGA has a 3 slot design although they still have the 2-slot version.
a60625 No.15329900
>>15328311
> 1080 mid range
>>15328324
>1060 low end
You don't understand shit about gpus huh?
90c63b No.15329937
>>15329872
>>15329880
Could also be a response to the two fan stock design. If nvidia is offering a two fan design instead of a single fan blower-style cooler than what more can the aftermarket designs do, but try to go a bit beyond that with a lot of 3 fan designs and bigger heatsinks? They now have to beef up their coolers even more to top nvidia's reference two fan cooler otherwise they have nothing better to offer.
a60625 No.15330001
wait a minute…
RTX 2080 has less Su, TMUs, Bus, bandwidth AND Rops than 1080 ti….How the fuck it is better?!
6fb19f No.15330043
>>15330001
Imagine you have 2 cars with 300 horsepower, but one weighs 300 pounds less. That's how I imagine they'll probably do it.
a60625 No.15330300
>>15330043
But the older car is, say, 330 hp and 300 pounds more and the newer one is 300 hp with 300 pounds less because of a newer, lighter engine… Still, when you get an older heavily customized model, say an MSI armor ed. with even more customized stuff this 300 pounds tends to matter even less… Doens't make sense… Pic related is a comparison just on terms of specs of the 1080 ti armor ed vs 2080… I sense a dire future with new drivers crippling older gpus even more than they already do….
63a818 No.15330778
>>15328569
RTX On-seems like what ambient occlusion already does ,at least in UE4 game Squad ,If it's going to be overused it's will be bullshit because the sun probably won't move and the dark areas of the room will be used to camp
If it's something you can turn on/off everybody will keep it off to see all part of the room and probably gain fps ,It's its going to be forced on or you are banned for cheating than that's bullshit and people will make a work around
I don't trust any devs to use this technology and not be lazy niggers at the same time ,This is designed to be lazy"just turn it on" so every source of light becomes unoptimized and eats away your fps so you "buy better tech poorfag"
I want to see technology go forward but I don't trust anyone with it
63a818 No.15330803
>>15328666
What in the fuck does that even mean , half of those are already playable ,which meas it's going to be a software upgrade
Fucking hell , I already see this niggers adding Forced ON raytracing to every game just to lower peoples fps ,Expect any game with this to run worse (((for no apparent reason)))
b17531 No.15331074
>>15329291
Why do scalpers exist?
480362 No.15331100
>>15326471
bumping this, trying to decide what I should do
though obviously the 2070 won't be that cheap by then given the prices just announced.
74fd40 No.15331394
>>15331074
1) Because morons buy from them
2) Because nobody smashes their knees with a baseball bat
>>15331100
Wait until we see some 3rd-party benchmarks
480362 No.15331653
>>15331394
>Wait until we see some 3rd-party benchmarks
My concern is that by then I won't be able to sell the 1070 for 250-300$
457aba No.15331667
>>15315757
>Compare this image to the prices now and revise your statement.
This, I was at bestbuy and a GTX 1080 was priced at $500
90c63b No.15331829
>>15331653
You should consider the scarcity of new video cards. They tend to sell out frequently. So even if you sold the 1070 you might not be able to get a 2070 afterwards unless you were really dedicated to getting one. That's a potentially unwanted hassle to bear in mind.
b17531 No.15333005
>>15331829
>you should consider the scarcity of new video cards. They tend to sell out frequently.
But then who buys from the scalpers?
a8077b No.15333184
Just learned that Nvidia is aiming in fact at the big players.
The world is AI, last gen Google and Big Data players bought tons of 1080 Ti to modify it to use on their server or AI research because quadro is stupid expensive to be bought by the millions.
Having realized this Nvidia launchs RTX with some Ai shit that I forgot what it was and it's much better and "unlocked" than 1080 ti that's why the shit looks less powerfull than last gen. This shit is not for games.
Sauce? Well, I found the info on Google, so you can do it yourself.
111f48 No.15333465
>>15331100
wait till release
see reviews
nvidia didnt say anything about gamer performance
only thing about performance is pic related
raw tflops doesnt really mean exact performance but its the only thing we got and it looks bad (2000 series is roughly 17% faster which isnt much for the price)
prices of 1000 series may go down and there will be a lot of used 1000 cards for even cheaper
dont know whats AMD planning for near future
111f48 No.15333482
>>15330803
they cant force RT in games when the cards are not even out and you can bet that at least 90% of the market will not buy nvidia 2000 cards (which are the only cards that supports it) in the next year
also it looks just like physX - additional feature that can be easily turned off and doesnt effect the gameplay in any way, just makes the game looks prettier (which will always be in the eye of the beholder and some of the scenes they showed on the conference lust looked brighter or darker but thats about it)
111f48 No.15333523
>>15331829
>You should consider the scarcity of new video cards. They tend to sell out frequently.
not an issue
nvidia fucked two times with the manufacturing on the 1000 series
first time they didnt expect the mining goldrush early this year (but who can blame them) and there was shortage of cards and prices skyrocketed but there were no cards (imagine the lost sheckels)
second time just after that they ordered a whole bunch of chips for the cards but in the meanwhile there was the first big cryprocurency crash and mining on GPUs become less profitable and miners stopped buying them and everybody else is waiting for the prices to go down (they are slowly)
even some of the manufacturers of the cards returned chips to nvidia because they dont sell
111f48 No.15333529
>>15333184
>Just learned that Nvidia is aiming in fact at the big players.
they have been doing this for years
they can sell pretty much the same chip to scientist for several thousands
a8077b No.15333559
>>15333529
Ik but there was something very different with the last gen that made the big players buy tons of it. Nvidia having realized this made the RTX more AI oriented. If you get a 2080 TI you will get a better gpu for gaming but If you are on the 1080 and wish to go to 2080 you will get very little for the money. This is what I am trying to pass. Nvidia wants to sell to people who are after AI, a new type of customer, imagine Nvidia selling not only to gamers but every shit that has AI built. The profit will skyrocket! Get it?
111f48 No.15333583
>>15333559
i see
then they should have focused on the mining market
imagine the sheckels in that industry
a8077b No.15333643
>>15333583
I don't think the biggest whales on mining market can topple the smallest of the big players, they got Google, Amazon, on the other side. Only Amazon revenue can top a whole country…
812f4c No.15333911
Something I just realized since Nvidia is ditching SLI for NVlink:
SLI clones the contents of VRAM across two GPUs so if you have two 1080 Ti in SLI you would have the 11GB VRAM capacity of one 1080 Ti. NVlink on the other hand can stack VRAM so if you have two 2080 Ti (which has 11GB capacity) you could have 22GB VRAM, the capacity of two 2080 Ti.
7606d1 No.15337163
>>15331100
You already have a 1070, why didn't you open it? And you'd be better off waiting a couple of years before doing anything since you have that card.
a60625 No.15337374
>>15333911
If I am not mistaken SLI works by dividing the screen in half. Each vga takes half of the load so it really doens't matter if you have double the amount of RAM because if it is ,say, 8 gb of Vram needed it would only actually take 4 gb for each gpu. This could corroborate with my idea that RTX is really not intended for gaming. Why would you double something that it would only take half the load anyway? Even so there are no games that need all that much Vram to begin with. I play in 4k and the most I saw of Vram consumed is 4 gb with only one gpu…
74fd40 No.15338077
>>15337374
Most VRAM, unlike in the 2D days, isn't used for the framebuffer (one full 4k frame, for instance, is only about 6.2MB), but instead for other purposes like textures, geometry, etc.
1d78c6 No.15338373
>>15338077
You also need a lot of it for certain non-graphics tasks if you do them with compute shaders, but most of the industry doesn't give a shit about that application when they can just throw in bigger textures and advertise their graphics with muh bigger numbers.
a8077b No.15338628
>>15338077
>>15338373
If the gaming industry won't use this huge ammount of Vram, for who this gpu is intended? You see? It's not for gamming.
1d78c6 No.15338724
>>15338628
They will use it you illiterate mong, but just to load in more 16k textures that make no fucking visual difference unless you move the camera to within a tenth of an inch from a polygon, and to put the three million polygons of a random rock into VRAM permanently.
a8077b No.15338798
>>15338724
You retarded fuck can't read the thread to understand context?!
1d78c6 No.15338871
>>15338798
I did you nigger, doesn't change the fact that what you said is wrong.