80d293 No.15264095
If Mario doesn't live in our world but lives in the Mushroom Kingdom world, how can he be Italian?
180091 No.15264101
He has Italian ancestry so he's Italian. It's like an Italian-American who still considers himself Italian even if he was born in the USA
80d293 No.15264114
>>15264101
But Italy doesn't exist in the Mushroom Kingdom world. It's an entirely different world with an entirely different history.
180091 No.15264117
>>15264114
How do you know there isn't a land that just so happens to be called "Italy" in that world?
4d5c13 No.15264120
>>15264114
Oh look, it's not-North America+Antarctica and Not-Russia+Europe above not-SouthAmerica with New Guinea.
b58d61 No.15264122
It's almost like worldbuilding is an afterthought for Nintendo because they know their autistic fans will fill in all the gaps for them and they can later down the road charge them a hundred bucks to reconfirm their own fan theories.
ab6df5 No.15264127
>>15264114
why wasn't there an Italy-themed world with a bunch of short midget men dressed in overalls with mustaches
180091 No.15264130
>>15264122
Well, Shigeru Miyamoto did say the story is literally the last thing they make after the levels and game are done. In fact the first level or tutorial level in most Nintendo games is actually the last level they make so by the time they make it they already have the mechanics to teach polished and understood enough to be able to make the first level flow better easier without overwhelming the player.
ce8f68 No.15264137
>>15264122
Nigga are you really arguing that they should have put more effort into the backstory of Mario?
c1bd21 No.15264138
>>15264101
Just like how french and swedish muslims consider themselves to be countryment!
180091 No.15264143
>>15264138
Or how niggers consider themselves human beings?
0ad397 No.15264150
Didn't he come from the real world (or Nintendo's interpretation of the real world) TO the Mushroom Kingdom? That's how I've always taken it. Donkey Kong was him trying to save his girlfriend from a giant gorilla, which while quite outlandish, still is plausible in the real world. He also worked a bunch of blue collar jobs, which is fairly grounded in the real world as well. DK Jr, Wrecking Crew and so on. In Mario Bros., he worked as a plumber with his brother and by some accident, got transported via the pipes into the Mushroom Kingdom and either cannot get out or does not want to get out, having made plenty of friends there.
29a850 No.15264153
>>15264138
No, the opposite you stupid cunt.
180091 No.15264154
>>15264150
>Donkey Kong was him trying to save his girlfriend from a giant gorilla, which while quite outlandish, still is plausible in the real world.
That wasn't Mario, that was "Jumpman" a completely different person
0ad397 No.15264176
>>15264154
Here's my question then.
I don't know if Cranky has been confirmed to interact with Mario at any point after the original Donkey Kong (or, in your claim, ever at all, then), so I can't speak for that. It's likely, since Mario interacts with DK, Diddy and gang, so they must be closeby, but I'll leave that up in the air for now.
But what about Pauline, specifically in Odyssey? You could easily claim that she is a different Pauline from Donkey Kong, but she has a lot of knowledge of the original DK's happenings. And considering she expects Mario to know these things as well and considers him a close friend, that would also make Mario Jumpman by default, would it not?
I'm having fun with this, honestly.
180091 No.15264180
>>15264176
It sounds like Pauline is the key to all this, since she knows DK, Cranky, Jumpman, and Mario somehow.
fe5159 No.15264182
>>15264095
>>15264150
Jumpman is Mario & Luigi's biological father, and he's an Italian-American living in Brooklyn, he captures Cranky Kong (then Donkey Kong) so DK (then DK Jr.) has to defeat him, which he manages to do and presumably Jumpman dies from this (he's the only Mario character that sports a halo whenever he's killed ingame), Mario & Luigi are transported to the Mushroom Kingdom via magical pipes that conveniently are also used by Cranky Kong and DK to escape from that guy from DK3 who keeps trying to exterminate the kongs, Mario and Luigi are technically American with Italian ancestry but they lived their early youth on Yoshi's Island and manage to get back upon being rescued by the Yoshis, though a long time later Mario Bros. happens with the two finding that the magical pipes can transport shit in and out of the Mushroom World (hence why they're in the sewers trying to stop critters from polluting the New York subways. Mario then gets to travel into the Mushroom Kingdom, where he defeats King Koopa and rescues Princess Toadstool as well as the brick'd denizens of the Mushroom Kingdom. After taking a nap where he dreams of a bizarre version of the same ordeal he went through, he awakens a hero in the eyes of the Mushroom Kingdom, with SMB3 being himself or an actor playing him reenacting a dolled up version of his adventures, and this keeps on going for quite a while - only SMB 1 and 2, Sunshine, Galaxy and Odyssey are canonical Mario games and Luigi's Mansion for Luigi.
Since the magical portal is still active, Mario gets to teach kids from Our World about the Mushroom World, which is why there's the Mario Is Missing and similar games, it's literally Mario sharing the secret of the parallel world with Our World. New Donk City is dedicated to his father's memory (hence why there's plenty of Donkey Kong decals around) and inhabited mostly by people from Our World establishing a de facto colony. Mario (and Pauline and other human characters) look much more deformed and cartoony because not only did they stay on the Mushroom World the longest and hence had more time to adapt to its much lower gravity, they also consumed plenty of substances from the locals, which have the nasty effect of changing them on a genetic level, whereas most denizens of New Donk City are perfectly happy to eat human food and enjoy human activities. It also explains why New Donk City is almost in the sky, since the Mushroom World has a completely different gravitational force, the human colonists adopted their own architectural knowledge and built up to scale in a way that maximizes their space usage and minimizes the risk of causalities from accidentally falling down.
Add to this that the Mayor Pauline may not even be the original, as it's a completely different character but probably still related, also little known fact, Bowser dies multiple times but still gets around, despite having at times divergent personalities in between revivals, that's because Mini Bowsers are a race capable of transforming into Bowser in Mario Party 3 and onward, meaning that the whole dilemma with the Koopalings vs Bowser Jr. could simply be explained with the fact that King Koopa is not a hereditary title as much as something that only the strongest of the Mini Bowsers gets to achieve, meaning that said Mini Bowsers (which were the species of both Original King Koopa and Original Young Bowser and even Bowser Jr.) may have had different brides and offspring, themselves Mini Bowsers of sorts, and kidnapping Peach is only necessary to enforce claims on the Mushroom Kingdom, with each living Bowser having a different plan and motivations behind their capture (i.e. Odyssey Bowser is bona fide in love with Peach, while earlier iterations of Bowser were much more malicious in nature).
180091 No.15264188
>>15264182
Is this copypasta? Either way it makes too much sense
fe5159 No.15264190
>>15264182
I also meant to add that Super Mario Land 1 and 2 are canonical
fe5159 No.15264192
>>15264188
nah just made it up from what I recall from reading in the instruction manuals and in-game text
0ad397 No.15264213
>>15264180
I suppose that Pauline and Mario could have been friends since the Mario vs Donkey Kong games, but those events were very different from Donkey Kong arcade, and she makes explicit references to that game in particular.
Here's another point I just came up with. Consider Donkey Kong '94. While being similar to a point, this character has jumps far more reminiscent of Mario than the arcade game did. Are Donkey Kong '94 and Donkey Kong arcade different happenings entirely, just with a coincidental similarity? That could tie everything up. Donkey Kong learned his behavior from Cranky Kong and attempted to kidnap a woman, probably of similar appearance to Pauline, due to Cranky's stories. She was coincidentally named Pauline. That would explain why Pauline and Mario both know of Donkey Kong-esque events, and would also excuse the strangeness of Jumpman as a character.
7c978a No.15264216
>>15264182
What about Daisy, Wario, Waluigi, Sarasa Kingdom/Land whatever the place Daisy rules is, Bean Kingdom, and Paper Mario games? You have to explain all of this too.
7e8160 No.15264220
>>15264182
>kidnapping Peach is only necessary to enforce claims on the Mushroom Kingdom
the idea that kidnapping peach for extra political leverage being standard practice is funny to me.
maybe that's why Super Mario games have a time limit, it's the time Mario and co. have before the Mushroom Kingdom decides it's more convenient to give in to Bowser's demands.
0eaed8 No.15264230
>>15264182
But why would lower gravity in the mushroom kingdom turn a human being into a deformed manlet?
0ad397 No.15264235
>>15264230
And why would certain existing citizens, like Princess Peach and Daisy, for example, not be affected? Unless their skeletal structure or otherwise body structure is different somehow.
59c82b No.15264238
>>15264114
Mario Odyssey confirmed Mario is from the New Donk City area and not our New York City. If the Mushroom Kingdom has its own version of the NYC it will most likely have its own version of Italy. Its not fucking hard to comprehend.
5deb68 No.15264245
>>15264235
Women's bones are hollow, like birds.
0ad397 No.15264253
>>15264238
But if that was the case, wouldn't Mario have friends there? Only Pauline really knows him, others are kinda indifferent. I suppose there are a lot of niggers in NDC, is migration responsible for turning Mario's hometown into a shithole? Is Pauline in support of this, or perhaps she only got into politics using her talents of music, and most likely fame, to unfuck this mess, kinda like Trump and Reagan did?
fe5159 No.15264258
>>15264216
I had an addenda with SML 1 and 2 being also canonical. Wario became Mario's rival when he tried to take his castle, which happens much, much later compared to the original Mario games. Because of this and the fact he's got a rather weird aspect to him could mean that he also experienced the same shit that Mario did, so he could PROBABLY be categorized among one of the first colonists alongside all the denizens of Diamond City (which also explains how he's able to maintain amicable relationships with them despite constantly screwing them over, also Diamond City could be seen as sort of a divergent style from New Donk City, which became multicultural and filled with critters and humans alike). Daisy and Sarasaland are real areas of the Mushroom World, just as Island Delfino and the Bean Kingdom are.
The Paper Mario series though is just another show, a kid's show at that, the equivalent of the Super Mario Brothers Super Show to us. Notice how it has distinctly more animesque undertones.
>>15264220
>maybe that's why Super Mario games have a time limit, it's the time Mario and co. have before the Mushroom Kingdom decides it's more convenient to give in to Bowser's demands.
We're cracking open the case here, fellas
One Ups could also be interpreted as "foresight" rather than lives. Sure, some actually revive people on the spot, but every time you die in Mario games you start back at some pre determined point. What if EVERYONE ELSE in the Mushroom Kingdom has the same thing happen to them (and hence every IRL human playing the games is actually experiencing a "rebirth" of one of the fallen enemies in the games)?
>>15264230
>But why would lower gravity in the mushroom kingdom turn a human being into a deformed manlet?
Exposure over prolonged periods of time. Look at astronauts, they get absolutely deformed when traveling around the Earth, and they don't even set foot on a planet. Mario must have been on that planet for YEARS by the time more people arrived.
>>15264235
Princess Peach is non-human. A lot of human looking characters in the games are in fact non human, but look human enough to pass like it. Remember, she's still Princess TOADSTOOL. And the other Kings from SMB3 also do look human but even compared to Mario they're much more cartoony. One must assume that Daisy follows the same kind of thing (my hypothesis is that they have a Fungi-like head just like every other Toad character, but since we know that they can grow hair like Toadette does, what if they just grew it so much it covers the whole thing and it is a privilege only reserved for royalty and close friends?).
0eaed8 No.15264263
>>15264245
Is that why they're always flying around from perch to perch?
7c978a No.15264266
>>15264258
What about Waluigi still?
0ad397 No.15264275
>>15264266
Wario is a greedy kike and found a guy to work for him, under the pretext of being his brother. He knows how popular underdog stories are, as while Luigi is often the butt of jokes, he still goes on many adventures and has many fans in the games, so he got an underdog of his own in Waluigi, who's really a paid actor, a paid shill for Wario's kike schemes.
fe5159 No.15264279
>>15264266
I thought that he followed the same kind of deal as Mario & Co. but he's more slender because he still hasn't experienced the deformities of other characters. Also, Waluigi is never shown having a house in the Mushroom Kingdom and he's also just a friend of Wario's. For all we know he could just be traveling back and forth from Our to the Mushroom World to hone his skills in sports, which is about the only thing he seem to like.
fe5159 No.15264290
Oh yeah, also Jumpman must be a human from Brooklyn because he CANONICALLY SERVED IN 'NAM, which also means that it would place the events of Donkey Kong around the seventies and Mario's Mushroom World escapade in the nineties. Maybe he's also called Mario Jumpman and our Mario is just Mario Jr.
7c978a No.15264292
>>15264275
What about Yoshi? Why does his shit look like an egg? If they are a species, how are females any different? Are Birdos female yoshis, or just a tranny of it's own specie?
Many questions indeed. Also Mark you filthy Jew take off the anchor.
fe5159 No.15264295
>>15264095
Mark we're having a legit conversation here please
0ad397 No.15264302
>>15264292
Yoshis seem to be hermaphorites, or even capable of self-fertilization. The eggs could be a byproduct of their diet. Consider all the creatures they can eat, swallowing and letting spiky and rough creatures go through your digestive system could tear it quite easily, so perhaps it's protective.
Birdos seem to be a variation of the Yoshi species, a distant cousin, like humans and monkeys.
7e8160 No.15264303
>>15264295
what happened did the thread get bumplocked for a second?
7e8160 No.15264308
>>15264303
>>15264302
oh it's bumplocked right now, maybe OP was shitposting somewhere else? I got a (honestly deserved) ban the other day and an unrelated thread I made that was fine got bumplocked.
7c978a No.15264314
>>15264302
Problem is, Birdo is specially a tranny, so he is male. There must be actual female Birdos out there.
0ad397 No.15264331
>>15264314
I suppose that would make Yoshis and Birdos much further cousins than I thought originally. It's possible that one branch evolved to be sexually dimorphic while the other did not.
On the other hand, the only thing really stating that Birdo is a tranny is Mario 2's manual, which I think was retconned later. It could have been a misunderstanding. Birdos could still be hermaphodites and perhaps that one Birdo was specifically emulating features she saw on humanoid females, like Princess Peach or female toads. Perhaps the idea is that Birdo wanted to be more like a humanoid female and it was wrongly stated that Birdo is a man. Perhaps, just like with Yoshis most often being considered males, Birdos have the same problems, they're just more feminine by nature, like any anime or MMO having races of catgirls and catboys. It would make sense, but I'm not too fond of dismissing anything out of instruction manuals outright, it makes this a bit too easy.
35908d No.15264333
>>15264308
mods are just being niggers lately because they think were under siege even though uid and pph hasnt increased at all
7e8160 No.15264346
>>15264333
>trips
checked I guess, but post quality really did suffer a nosedive the last three days.
things are already back to normal for the most part though.
7c978a No.15264358
>>15264331
Take in account that in Mario Sluggers, in the japanese version, Birdo grunted and his voice cracks into a manly ass voice when he gets angry, as if the pressure made him break character, not on purpose, of course.
0ad397 No.15264367
>>15264358
I wasn't arguing against Birdo emulating a female, merely stating that this doesn't make it a male per se.
d86a8b No.15264437
>>15264346
why should people make quality posts when theyre just going to get deleted
9bc958 No.15264506
>>15264095
When your eating a bag of dicks and watching game of thrones why do all the actors have British accents? GoT isn’t in Britain.
6ad1f6 No.15264754
The Mario Franchise does not have coherent lore, it does not have worldbuilding, it's surrealist children's dreamland bullshit!
Stop taking it seriously, retards. It's just fun.
7e8160 No.15264779
>>15264754
taking it seriously is a different form of fun for when the regular fun runs out.
0ad397 No.15264804
>>15264754
It's far more interesting to try to make a story out of this than most other games. With Mario, a lot of theories are plausible, and it's just fun to both try to create the most comprehensive of theories and find flaws, small and big, in other anon's theories. Meanwhile, nigger shit like Dark Souls and the Witcher, it's all just little snippets of MUH LORE about random NPCs jerking off with llama intestines and reddit jerking itself off for piecing it together. That's just thoughtless monkey-see-monkey-do, this requires actual logical thought.
0528ec No.15264830
>>15264127
Did the Super Mario cartoon invent Wario and Waluigi? or was Super Mario Land 2 already out? I can't remember.
7e8160 No.15264843
>>15264830
Waluigi was invented for mario tennis 64, Wario for Mario Land 2, they never appeared in the cartoon.
0528ec No.15264927
>>15264843
I meant to say inspired, my mistake. Just that one character is pretty proto-Wario.
4be23b No.15264950
>>15264258
Except people who go into space are known to become slightly taller, not shorter. If a planet had lower gravity than Earth, it would lead to the people adapting over time to be tall and lanky, as proportionally less muscle mass is needed to stand up and move around. Mario's world would need to have high gravity to cause people to develop a short and stocky build, but that doesn't explain how floaty his jumps are.
581012 No.15264958
>>15264230
It also doesn't quite fit since Mario is capable of jumping so high. In reality it should be a John Carter scenario. Where him being used to Earth gravity means his muscles are so much more fit than necessary and gives him effective super human strength. Mario ought to have the same boon. Meaning he can jump so high and hit so hard because of his more than needed muscles. He manages to keep them by a rigorous work out routine, the one hinted in Mario 64.
36a475 No.15264964
>>15264927
well the resemblance is strong enough that id guess they passed around some concept art while wario was being created. i wouldnt have thought they were that close with the game developers but who knows what kind of things get passed around. maybe they were huge fans and got an exclusive sneak peak at what was being developed.
7e8160 No.15264965
>>15264958
>hinted in Mario 64
where exactly?
507380 No.15264978
>>15264182
Is this autism?
36a475 No.15265004
>>15264978
theres nothing autistic about bowsers with the biology of a queen bee
581012 No.15265026
>>15264965
I think it may have been a thing in Nintendo Power.
42c0bc No.15265030
>>15264114
Is Greenland made out of ice cream?
db4d76 No.15265040
>>15264182
>>15264978
PEAK AUTISM
And we need more of this. People like this anon are what will save vidya.
ab6df5 No.15265054
>>15264830
IIRC Wario was based on Luigi's early personality from the OVA
3fe22c No.15265156
>>15265054
Mario gets cucked by a twink prince?
b60f91 No.15265171
>>15264253
We are seeing this from a players perspective so we can't really tell whats going on. Mario I think is a quiet hero does stuff saves the day slinks back into the background no fan fare required. New Donk City folk seem to know about the mythical "Jumpman" but not Mario as much and I think Mario is just fine with this.
8b6016 No.15265269
>>15264095
He isn't. As far as I can remember Nintendo hasn't actually referred to him as such since the early 90s, and in '94 all the arcade games got retconned into taking place in New Donk City so there's nothing tying him to Earth at all anymore.
fe5159 No.15265606
>>15264292
>What about Yoshi? Why does his shit look like an egg? If they are a species, how are females any different?
He could be a species of gender neutral animals who reproduce asexually, notice how there's barely any variation among Yoshis genetic pool other than skin color, which Sunshine codifies as being dependent on their diet.
>Are Birdos female yoshis, or just a tranny of it's own specie?
Different species, I don't really understand what their deal is but I guess it's mostly because she was supposed to be just a boss character and only got downgraded to minion later on. Could probably be under the same asexual rules of Yoshis but of a different, divergent species, and they just act female for the same reason why everyone assumes Yoshis are male for acting that way. Not a socjus thing, here, just talking about animals that have intelligence similar to that of a human bean.
>>15264302
>Yoshis seem to be hermaphorites
Doesn't that mean he's got to have both sexual organs, whereas Yoshis seem to have none, or at least none outside their body?
>>15264127
It was probably done so as to introduce the Mushroom Kingdom denizens to human activities and places before they could get there and freak everyone else.
I'll do you one more: what if Peach offering to bake a cake is a symbolic gesture rather than royalty having nothing better to do but baking pastries? Kind of like a Thanksgiving to Mario of sorts, only she's cooking human food instead of whatever they eat in the Kingdom.
>>15264754
It's fun. Also Shiggy wanted to make a King Kong ripoff and the original three games have a coherent plot, so no you.
>>15264950
You make a strong point there, BUT, remember that in the Mushroom World most coinage and useful items are found in blocks, and otherwise jumping seems to be the fastest way of travel for people. What if Mario's growth is stunned because he keeps compressing his body onto ceilings? This would also explain why Luigi and Waluigi are less deformed than Mario (they don't do as much adventuring and hence don't get as much physical pain) and Wario's even shorter than Mario (since he likes to destroy shit to grab them miss golda coins, as he says). Also everyone's squshy in the MW.
>>15264958
The way I saw it is that Mario is less of a hero in the historic sense and more of an alien commando unit for the Mushroom Kingdom. Keep in mind that while most other characters can do the same things he does, his human muscles allow him to STOMP enemies (Toads have small stumps for legs and cannot use the same force), he's the fucking Jet Li of this world.
By the way, he also had a fucking Rambo episode where he outright stormed Bowser's HQ and rocket launched his shit into oblivion with Yoshi.
>>15264978
You are on a Thai Flipbook Animations Appreciation Imageboard, what did you expect?
0b406e No.15265613
>>15264095
Don't gimme that shit that Mario ain't fuckin Mexican, aight? Look at that nigga's mustache, aight? Nigga ain't foolin me, aight; You know, he may be foolin "La Migra"… Shit, you know, tryina tell 'em he's Italian, but he ain't foolin Chad Warden, aight; Chad Warden's from H-Town, eh? Chad warden seen his share of, you know, illegal Mexican niggaz.
b4b559 No.15265645
>Oh a bait thread
>in less than thirty minutes, I get to hear a sound theory that explains not only Mario's entire existence, but also why there are regular people in Odyssey, how King Bowser is actually just a mature mini bowser and that this is natural, but also that Yoshi's asexual reproduction is why the main differences between each one is skin color and nothing else
Maybe I should have gone back to bed, but this is pretty much canon for me now
b095d3 No.15265691
So what I'm gathering/thinking:
>Original DK series is Mario and Luigi's father's story
>Yoshi's Island, Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 1 & Lost Levels, (maybe World?), (maybe 64?), Sunshine, and Odyssey are "real"
>DKC games are "real" as well
>Super Mario Bros 2/USA & 3 and the other Yoshi games are stageplays
>Super Mario Galaxy & Galaxy 2 are movies
>Paper Mario series is a cartoon
>Super Mario RPG is an in-universe tabletop RPG, the vidya being the sample campaign provided with the rule book
>M&L series is a series of novels/comics
>The educational games are a children's TV series in-universe
>Hotel Mario was a series of shitty commercials that the Mario Bros. were hired to participate in
>NSMB series are in-universe vidya
b3fddf No.15265729
ea8b33 No.15265744
>>15264182
>Jumpman is Mario & Luigi's biological father
It can't be because Pauline in Odyssey mentions that Mario himself saved her from Dong.
Your pasta is already wrong from the very beginning.
ea1967 No.15265745
>>15264095
Mario isn't Italian, he's Italian American. Which means he's an immigrant from Brooklyn New York that moved from or has ancestors that moved from Italy. So not only does Italy exist in the same universe as the Mushroom Kingdom, so does New York state and, by extension, the United States of America.
b095d3 No.15265750
>>15265744
That could be the Mario vs. Donkey Kong series.
807cac No.15265755
>>15265745
He aint American though. Well he is but not from our Earth. The world Mario lives on seems similar but at the same time so fucking different. The TV show and movie have no relevance to the actual games.
We don't know if there is a United States at all in Mario's world the only hint at that in any game is the Smash Bros Series and Mario's stars and stripes colors and if it exists is it even called The United States Of American. So saying Mario is American is a fucking stretch at best. The guy is an alien dwarf from another dimension.
3fe22c No.15265757
>>15265755
We crisis on infinite earth now?
d86a8b No.15265758
>>15265755
doesnt thinking like that invalidate a tremendous majority of any games set on earth?
9b72d1 No.15265761
>>15265691
You forgot the Mario/Wario Land games.
b095d3 No.15265764
>>15265761
"Real" as far as I can tell.
Wario's Woods is an in-universe children's story, akin to a modern fairytale.
ea1967 No.15265772
>>15265755
I'm willing to give you the dwarf from an alternate dimension theory, but that doesn't mean his dimension isn't a parallel earth.
>>15265758
Games like Mario is Missing, where all of the locations are based on earthly locations.
807cac No.15265783
>>15265757
Kinda. Nintendo has been pushing Mario is not from Earth since Mario Land 2 and they doubled down with Yoshi's Island.
What we know about Mario is he was born in the actual Mushroom Kingdom (storks drop him off at a mushroom house), he has his own little Island with a castle and some actual subjects to rule over, he grew up in New Donk City and even though he obviously comes from a well off family (that fucking castle again) he took blue collar jobs for some reason, he beat up his pet Kong (actually poked him with sticks). Kong went ape shit kidnapped his GF (in Kong's mind he was protecting her) this caused Mario to stop acting like a little cunt and he started helping people instead.
Thats all we kind of know about Mario.
d86a8b No.15265786
>>15265783
i remember reading someones autism where teh bros parents sent them back to earth for some reason, possibly to escape bowser since the koopa clan was trying to kill them in yoshis island.
807cac No.15265790
>>15265786
Thats all Nintendo would need to say make everything canon. But yeah Mario doesn't really have canon its just made up shit each game. And autistic cunts like us try and figure out a timeline when there really is none. Its still fun to do so though.
fe5159 No.15265842
>>15265691
64 is up to interpretation. If it's real, it can be considered a diplomatic exchange (baking the cake as a symbol of peace between the worlds, much like our modern day leaders do planting trees or fixing bricks or shit like that) between the Human World and the Mushroom World gone sour - hence Lakitu doing an emergency report and following Mario all throughout the adventure;
If it's fake, then it may as well be a televised way for Mario to explain not only the wonders but also the dangers and opposing factions of the Mushroom World TO the Human World - remember, he goes full war reporter in Bob-Omb Battlefield. Also to make it more appealing to Humans, he threw in some easter eggs like the town of Casares, Málaga being the backdrop for one of the sub worlds.
>Super Mario Galaxy & Galaxy 2 are movies
That's debatable, could very well just be an actual kidnapping attempt
>NSMB series are in-universe vidya
I like this theory a lot, would explain why you can play as Toad, it's a way to make MK denizens feel like they're also as important as their heroes.
>>15265744
Mario is shown to be friends/relatives with Modern Pauline in the vs DK games, which may as well just be another stunt for Mario to sell his horrible toys.
>>15265761
Wario really did fight Mario off his own castle though. From there on he just went and tried to find more riches elsewhere and plenty of Wario games all happen in pocket dimension or some other mystical bullshit.
>>15265772
Don't you spawn in Antartica in that game? What if the Hollow Earth theory is kinda true but it actually leads to the Mushroom World instead and you have to access it from Antartica? What if one of the Bowsers realized that there could be even more than a single Mario on the Human World and tried his luck by invading planet Earth by using said Antartica spawn point?
>mfw the Nazis may have escaped to the Mushroom World
9b72d1 No.15265907
>>15265842
So…Bowser was the good guy all along?
d86a8b No.15265919
>>15265842
>all of our entertainment is just stories stolen from agartha
>the antarctic treaty is trademark protection
d7d68c No.15265929
Jesus fuck watching people try to rationalize a world where a manlet has to fight living bullets to defeat a giant turtle is mind breaking. Everyone shut the fuck up because I'm about to end this thread once and for all.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180308000400/https://Kotamu.com (please use archive.is)m/miyamoto-confirms-that-super-mario-bros-3-was-a-play-1729805751
It was all a play.
88cf59 No.15265940
>>15265929
Nice try faggot
d7d68c No.15265945
>>15265940
The point still stands.
d86a8b No.15265946
>>15265945
only if you discount the fact that real life is a play as well.
0ad397 No.15265947
>>15265606
There are various types of hermaphrodites, and some can impregnate themselves, others can serve as members of "either" gender, so you still need two members, and both fulfill different roles, but they could do it the other way around if they were so inclined. Who knows that we haven't seen anything, though. Maybe it's like dolphins, where their dicks come out like fucking chest bursters.
>>15265929
>one game was a play
Okay, so? That doesn't mean much, you know. We've seen Mario and co go kart-racing, fighting for fun, playing tennis and so on. Sure, Mario 3 could absolutely be a play, but that doesn't say anything about the rest of the series. It's entirely possible that Princess Peach and Bowser get along on paper, and that's why they and company hang out and do fun things, but once election times come up or political scuffles come up, they're fierce rivals and willing to pull dirty shit to get their way, like Bowser kidnapping her to prevent her getting reelected. Think Trump and President Xi of China, they're all buddy buddy when they meet but then go on trade wars once they go home. Mario 3 being a play just gives a behind the scenes to how the kingdom functions and what the citizens do on a daily basis, it doesn't disprove the rest of the series, and actually, doesn't disprove Mario 3 as a plot element. Perhaps it's game representation was a play, but it's based on real events.
And yes, how horrible, anons having some fucking fun. Sorry, I'll go back to working on lore in REAL games like Dark Souls.
828625 No.15265949
>>15265947
That was bait.
So was your post in reply to mine wasn't it?
0ad397 No.15265956
>>15265949
>(1)
Were you the anon at >>15265606, then?
If so, sort of. It was a valid point nevertheless .
8e8d70 No.15265959
>>15264216
>Paper Mario
Paper Mario is a book.
828625 No.15265960
>>15265956
No I was >>15265929
I'm surprised no one called me out on my shit when I ironically linked Kotaku. Of course I had to give the archive because there's no way I'm giving Kotaku actual clicks, the bastards, the play theory was always a meme even if whatshisname says it's true.
8e8d70 No.15265965
>>15265156
>Cucked
Do you not see the fat stacks of dosh he just made? Money > Pussy, lad.
0ad397 No.15265966
>>15265960
to be fair, it's hard to tell sometimes, Poe's law and all. also summer.
fe5159 No.15265979
>>15265907
Depending on the iterations he can be a bumbling father like he is to Bowser Jr. or a sadistic jerk like the one who had the Koopalings.
>>15265929
Yeah, SMB3 was a play, we know that. We also know that Miyamoto changes the story depending on who's interviewing him. Let us go full Gran Autismo in peace.
>>15265947
>There are various types of hermaphrodites, and some can impregnate themselves, others can serve as members of "either" gender, so you still need two members, and both fulfill different roles, but they could do it the other way around if they were so inclined. Who knows that we haven't seen anything, though. Maybe it's like dolphins, where their dicks come out like fucking chest bursters.
Is it like that with Seahorses? I've never fully understood it.
773632 No.15265980
>>15264095
>If Mario doesn't live in our world but lives in the Mushroom Kingdom world, how can he be Italian?
He moved there from Italy, Jaden.
0ad397 No.15266000
>>15265979
Seahorses are sexually dimorphic. The female deposits up to 1500 eggs into the male's pouch, which is in the front of the tail, and he carries them there until they emerge. The male also produces sperm, which is expelled into the sea and has to find it's way into the pouch in the five to ten seconds that the female spends transferring eggs into the pouch.
720283 No.15266004
>>15264266
Most of the Marios are half breed toadfuckers, Waluigi is the only one of pure Italian blood still.
d65038 No.15266007
>>15264358
Do you have any video of this? First I have ever heard this.
b799bd No.15266020
>he hasn't seen the movie
daaa04 No.15266024
>>15264314
>>15264331
Talking about Birdo as a species seems kind of redundant since Birdo is a unique individual rather than representative of a species like Yoshi usually is. I'm pretty sure Birdo is completely unique and there are no others like him.
0ad397 No.15266026
>>15266024
But in Mario 2, there are numerous Birdos. In fact, there are several species of Birdo, some able to shoot eggs and fireballs, and some only fireballs.
daaa04 No.15266030
>>15266026
I always took that as the same one getting pissed off and coming back with new tricks, like fireball spit. Wasn't Mario 2 a dream anyway?
bad41f No.15266040
>>15266000
>you are now realizing that when you go swimming at the beach, seahorse cum is floating up your asshole
Faggot.
d65038 No.15266043
>>15266030
>>15266024
>>15266026
You can see multiple Birdos simultaneously in some Mario sports games.
Birdo is a species like Yoshi, not just one creature.
0ad397 No.15266049
>>15266030
A dream, most likely based quite heavily on the real world, since a lot of species of creatures from Mario 2 appear in the later games. It could be possible, but that would mean that Birdos are a species capable of changing their skin pigmentation at will, like chameleons, though Birdos don't seem to do it for camouflage or body temperature reasons.
My issue with that is that this is not behavior that our typical Birdo, the one seen in every other sports spinoff, Superstar Saga, Mario RPG and so on, has never showcased this ability. In Superstar Saga in particular, >she had a great affection for Popple. If >she had the ability to shoot fireballs, >she would have done it to protect Popple, but >she never did. I might be mistaken, but not a single other example comes to mind.
daaa04 No.15266060
>>15266043
Huh, I guess you're right. It does beg the question of why they all have identical bows but I guess you could say the same about toad's waistcoats.
0ad397 No.15266062
>>15266043
This pretty much confirms my theory as well. There are numerous Birdos of various colors, but I can't think of any examples of a Birdo changing color at will, which makes the Mario 2 Birdos separate as well.
0ad397 No.15266064
>>15266060
The bows could be part of their body, like hair. I know you could remove it in Mario Advance, and you could either chalk that down to it being a dream, or just really violent.
43a7a5 No.15266155
>>15265269
>and in '94 all the arcade games got retconned into taking place in New Donk City
Bullshit, don't remember this at all. DKGB has him chasing dk from NYC to the mushroom kingdom.
742c34 No.15266160
>>15264182
y can't mario crawl
9ff598 No.15266171
>>15265959
What about Super Paper Mario? That one felt like you where in a computer (mouse cursor literally selects mario and sends him to wonky ass dimension that's about to die.) Is it "canonically" a videogame that the mushroom kingdom people got to play?
0ad397 No.15266187
>>15266171
A cashgrab video game, vaguely based on the popular pop-up book series Paper Mario.
d86a8b No.15266193
0ad397 No.15266201
>>15266193
An e-book is basically just a PDF. This seems more involved and elaborate.
0e8425 No.15266220
>>15264095
He's an Italian-American from New Donk City who moved to the Mushroom Kingdom.
d65038 No.15266304
>>15266155
>DKGB has him chasing dk from NYC to the mushroom kingdom.
Nope. Prior to Odyssey, the city in Donkey Kong games is only referred to as "Big City"(DKGB) and "Big Ape City"(DKL).
9f2fb2 No.15266332
It's the Mario Brothers and plumbing's the game Found the secret warp zone while working on the drain Lend the Princess a hand in the Mushroom Land Join the action with the plumbers, you'll be hooked on the Brothers! Now, evil Koopa and his Troopas are up to misbehaving They kidnapped the Princess, Mushroom Land needs saving Abusing and confusing, everybody discovers They can't help but be hooked on the Brothers, uh!
d86a8b No.15266354
>>15266201
well if were building it off of paper mario being a book. a book is just a collection of sheets of paper.
43a7a5 No.15266563
.>>15266304
>implying "big city" isn't jew york
Nah.
8e8d70 No.15266566
>>15266171
>What about Super Paper Mario?
The more I think about this, the more confused I get. On it's own, any of the Mario games are "just games". Paper Mario on it's own is "just a game". But Paper Mario, inserted into Mario lore can be explained as either a canonical event told through a book, or more simply, as "just a book" within Super Mario; a work of fiction within fiction, being imagined through the eyes of an agent playing with the book (With SMB3 confirmed to be a play it's more likely the latter). To incorporate Super Paper Mario in the same way, with all it's 2d vs 3d and mouse clicks and shit, it just boggles the mind. Was Super Paper Mario ever even implied to be a book? Is it just papercraft? But then why the hell is there a cursor? How exactly is the cursor even able to switch Mario from 2D to 3D to begin with? What the fuck is Super Paper Mario?
0ad397 No.15266594
>>15266566
A visual novel.
aea0fd No.15266613
>>15265156
You see how dreamily Peach is gazing at him?
The prince is the cuck here.
a94e64 No.15266619
Was it ever officially stated that he is Italian? I assumed it was just based on Italian mannerisms
f93506 No.15266627
>>15264253
Mario hasn't lived in NDC for a long time. Paulina is probably the only one who remembers him because of this (and the fact that he saved her from being ravaged by gorilla dong)
13f59d No.15266634
>>15266566
The Paper Mario universe is an entirely different universe within a storybook. It's still a living universe with independently-thinking people, but in the form of a storybook. This was shown in Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam.
0ad397 No.15266639
>>15266627
But how do we know how long it's been? Does time pass coincide with game releases, real world dates? Otherwise, how do we know? I mean, it doesn't seem like any of these characters age.
The only consistent location I can really think of is Peach's Castle, which changes drastically, but it could be a spoiled bitch using tax dollars for huge landscaping projects because she's bored. I'm not sure if it's possible to connect the city locations from DK94 and DKL to New Donk City, and I can't think of much other reference for time pass off the top of my head.
7c978a No.15266825
>>15266566
Also many Paper Mario introduced enemies appear at party games like the thief mice fellas, at the spooky house board of Mario Party 8.
7c978a No.15266828
>>15266639
Also what about Mario vs DonkeyKong for the GBA?
7c978a No.15266834
>>15266627
Gorillas have actually really small cocks. They are the primates with the smallest cocks.
157b79 No.15268499
>>15266049
Didn't Birdo shoot fireballs in the remake of Superstar Saga?
0ad397 No.15268531
>>15268499
I only remember Birdo shooting eggs and swallowing Popple to shoot him.
7d0928 No.15268628
This is worse than Zelda timeline autism. You know all the games don't have to fit together into one consistent universe/timeline, right? It's not like Nintendo even tries to make them like that.
0ad397 No.15268670
>>15268628
>You know all the games don't have to fit together into one consistent universe/timeline, right?
Precisely what makes it so fun. It requires some actual thought, versus typical lore hunting which is just a matter of reading through a hundred thousand pages of fluff to find the same repeated names.
7d0928 No.15268710
>>15268670
There's "actual thought", and then there's grand assumptions and leaps of logic. At a certain point, it becomes less about how good you are at tying pieces together, and more about how good you are at bullshitting explanations.
4250e9 No.15268734
>>15264253
Perhaps not, Mario and Luigi worked in New Donk City for awhile before the moved into the Mushroom Kingdom thus it can explain as to why Mario hasn't done any actual plumbing in years since he moved from a plumber to a super star over there. They are still both plumbers it's just that no one in the Mushroom Kingdom calls them for that it's either save Peach, Help control the ghost problem and other fun activities like sports, tennis, go karting ect. But that's just my theory.
d65038 No.15268737
>>15266825
> Paper Mario introduced enemies appear at party games like the thief mice fellas
Those come from Yoshi's Island mate
https://www.mariowiki.com/Little_Mouser
f4c03e No.15268870
>>15264095
>>15264114
If Mario doesn't live in our world but lives in the Mushroom Kingdom world, how can he be human?
d65038 No.15268952
>>15268870
Just because he doesnt live in our world, doesnt mean he wasnt born in it m8.
The original Mario Bros. explicitly takes place in New York, even Miyamoto say it does.
71471f No.15269031
mario is a an italian plumber, the mushroom kingdom lives inside the pipes, mushrooms feed off rotten food scraps and shit you drain down the pipes, the koopa kingdom are the bacteria, mold and clogged drains that mario has to manage.
f4c03e No.15269468
>>15266060
>It does beg the question of why they all have identical bows
What about why all Yoshi's have identical saddles?
f4c03e No.15269471
>>15268952
>original Mare-eh-oh takes place in Jew York
Nintendo has been compromised for far longer than I thought.
fe5159 No.15269523
>>15269468
There's like twenty shops total in the whole kingdom. Their saddles are probably a physical part of them, I always thought they were kind of a shell of sorts.
4f0a56 No.15269744
>>15269468
>>15269523
Its obviously a shell idiots. Not so sure about where the boots come from though HAHA
0ec405 No.15269819
>>15264095
Because not everything has to have a lore and a universe connected with reality. You fucking lorefags are a cancer.
fb6975 No.15269831
He lives in NYC, the mushroom Kingdom is just where he goes when he has magic mushrooms
5da449 No.15269879
>This thread.
So this is what you've meant by saying that Mario has DEEPEST lore. I should have been paying attention to mario threads more than I did.
8e8d70 No.15269923
>>15266634
That explains Paper Mario, but the mouse cursor in Super Paper Mario is still a mystery. By the way, those must be two separate universes, since Paper Mario games normally have a third dimension, and in Super Mario the third dimension is a secret. Unless Super Paper Mario takes place before Paper Mario, before their world had a permanent third dimension.
4f0a56 No.15269953
>>15269923
Super Paper Mario is a digital draft for the later physical printing of the real Paper Mario. That also explains why so many of the characters were made out of such simple shapes, they were just placeholders or perhaps animation pieces used to run simulations of pop-up effects before having their full art applied.
9a4d69 No.15279009
Is anyone gonna talk about how the mushroom kingdom's coins are fucking worthless?
Which explains why there's so fucking many.
8562a3 No.15279027
>>15264095
PARALLEL UNIVERSES
2119c8 No.15279036
>>15279009
Keep in mind that earlier in the same game ~100 mushroom kingdom coins exchanges for 10 beanbean coins
so what the hell happened while you were away to cause such massive inflation?
8562a3 No.15279041
>>15279036
What if the chancellor's just a shrewd businessman?
8562a3 No.15279044
>>15265691
Yeah, but where does that put stanley the bugman?
2119c8 No.15279065
>>15279041
the nose knows as they say
d517a6 No.15279072
>>15264182
Did you pull all this from Gaytheory? Factually, Donkey Kong of Donkey Kong Country is the Grandson of Cranky, OG Donkey Kong. DK Jr, Donkey Kongs Dad, was all but confirmed dead.
0cd0c2 No.15279149
>>15269879
Don't mention deepest lore, vaati might make a second channel.
74a230 No.15279171
>>15279009
>Collecting 100 or more coins was a considerable task in games before SuperStar Saga
>After SSS coins massively inflate to the point that in following Mario games collecting hundreds of coins is easy
>cue NSMB2
fe5159 No.15279243
>>15279009
There was a theory that stated that the coins are actually the souls of characters dying and this is due the fact that the blocks in the first SMB1 games are Toads petrified forever, also when you burn some enemies with a Fire Flower they throw coins at you.
>>15279072
Last I recall DK Jr. was Rare's Donkey Kong, I could be wrong because it's been so long since I played the games.
348833 No.15279247
>>15264095
How do you know its not a parallel version of Earth that has Italy? Maybe in that world you're not a fag.
36b432 No.15280791
>>15264238
It never confirmed he was from there. Besides, he's canonically an Italian immigrant to Brooklyn.
36b432 No.15280818
>>15279243
>Last I recall DK Jr. was Rare's Donkey Kong
It wasn't, but DK 64 mistakenly had Cranky refer to DK as "my son".
d86a8b No.15284672
>>15279174
the most disturbing thing about this image is the goomba with dog hands