/v/ - Video Games

>Breaking new ground

>Short walking sims, and boohoo women simulators

The only ground being broke, is the ground beneath the feet of this lardasses praising this shit.

I reread the fucking Kotaku controversy with Dragon's Crown and I want all game journos to fucking hang

I'm so fucking angry, goddamn

The effort to turn video games into the film industry is real.

>>15260564

>The debate about the length of games has been around almost as long as the games themselves. Before save files and more powerful consoles, gametime was artificially lengthened by repetitive, difficult obstacles that required perfect timing and memorization. By the mid-90s, longer games were shipping on multiple discs to accommodate the lengthy narratives. With every passing console generation, advances in technology allowed for bigger, longer, more epic adventures. A user could easily spend more than 100 hours in the nuclear wastelands of the “Fallout” series or finding shrines in “The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild.”

Someone mind telling them that FF6 was the same length as FF7

>MSNBC peddling retard news that caters to the lowest common denominator

stop the fucking presses

>>15260564

>"Walking simulators from Indie games are the new hot shit!" The Article 2.0

Fake news niggers again.

Do normalfags and journos believe everything gaming has to offer is pretentious indies, blockbuster AAAs, multiplayer cocaine and story-driven lesbian trash? It's honestly funny seeing the soyboy indie story crowd and the chad dudebro AAA crowd fight eachother.

>>15260642

The loser weeb crowd is the most pathetic

>>15260564

>reposting clickbait

When will you fucking retards learn?

>>15260642

If those are the teams, I root for the chad dudebros

Fact of the matter they're both right and wrong at the same time, there's no reason why there can't be a thriving market of small games, Steam already has one. People who don't want to wait 1-5 years for the long development times of announced AAAs can pick up some short and cheap games, beat them in a single evening, and they can do this every month without breaking the bank.

But that doesn't mean that long form games should disappear, and no matter what, this isn't going to be the end of the quick and simple arcadey game. If you just want to play the latest flashing lights Skinner box, it'll be there. There's no reason that an artistic games market can't exist alongside the traditional games market.

Short games ARE breaking ground. But they're not edging out or eliminating long games. You won't see an end to Call of Duty/Battlefield, action platformers, and David Cage games (although I wish…), so just fucking settle down. The AAAs know who their audience is, they're not going to toss gamers away LIKE NINTENDO DID WITH THE WII to try and cash in on a mostly empty market that barely exists.

>>15260747

Small games don't really sell well on Steam. There's been a few presentations about how smaller games are doing worse on Steam than ever before due to the quantity of games released. I said it way before a lot of these studies came around just by looking at steamspy numbers. Good games don't sell well on Steam, popular games do. The only way an unpopular game on steam can find success is if it becomes a meme.

>>15260758

>Small games don't really sell well on Steam

Nor should they, they're not particularly well done, and they're not particularly fun. They go for artsy fartsy bullshit over actual gameplay and substance most of the time. There's a few diamonds in the rough here and there, but it's mostly shovelware. As has always existed really.

>>15260777

small isn't indicative of quality, it's just descriptive of their length, content, size, or the time investment being asked. Usually these games are very inexpensive too.

>>15260818

I'm not saying small is indicative of quality, when I say small, I mean small short games, or small budget games. They can equally go hand-in-hand because indies for both type of games exist.

I didn't intend for "small" to mean low quality.

>>15260674

Not quite as pathetic as the "niggers that can't use punctuation" crowd, however.

>>15260851

I know, but you're ascribing qualities to them first and providing exceptions after that. You're setting the norm as something when it's not accurate. I'm talking about how these games perform based on the audiences engagement (or lack of) and the factors that determine their success.

Those shitty art games exist but even they see success for one reason or another. Gone Home got nearly 1 million sales on PC alone because it was pushed to memetic status and made very affordable for its length, selling almost independently of its quality. I'm well are it was in bundles but those bundles were still purchased with the knowledge the game was included. Umihara Kawase, possibly the best platformer series ever didn't break 10K and still probably hasn't (steam spy numbers don't give a clear indication on its ownership) – this is because it is not a meme.

>>15260879

Maybe the same clinic Spoony went to.

I "played" Her Story. It isn't so much a video game and more of a video player with retro interface. I think there's much to be said about little games though but I grew up on Pac-Man, Tetris and Bomberman, all of which didn't really have much content and just relied on good game mechanics so I'm biased.

>>15261074

Not enough 500 lb trans lesbian beating evil cis white males to death. Also it looks clean and has an appealing style which shits on their prefered artform of modern art.

Fun fact: I have a sister who majored in journalism. No we don't talk. I'd rather see her dead

>>15260853

Or speak proper English

>>15261074

Because IGN told them it was too wordy?

>>15260997

Her Story reminded me of the format of a game from the 90s called Who Killed Sam Rupert

in WKSR you were to interview suspects and witnesses and contrast with evidence to solve the murder within 6 hours, based on the fact that most murders are solved in that timeframe.

WKSR was supposed to kickstart a series of mystery games. WKSR completely failed to do so.

But I actually find myself wondering how it would do with the modern indie demographic

Except that games made today have neither.

Nu-gamers are a really cancerous bunch. By "nu-gamers" I mean a sizable count of gamers who aren't typical casuals (casuals just play shit like EA sports gamers and CoD), rather people who do know a bit about vidya but consider cinematic bullshit and the like to be progress in gaming. Of course there's an overlap in games enjoyed by the two - take Fallout 4 for example, a casual will just play through it for cheap fun without giving too much of a shit, a nu-gamer will go in deep to it and actively defend things like the lore rape or dumbed down dialogue.

>>15260564

>quality over quantity

>shit out large quantities of low effort games in high frequency

Really makes you think.

Is it really revisionism if they never knew it in the first place? Not excusing it, but still.

>>15260602

What makes it weirder?

You can upload Unity and most trashware to armor games and newgrounds now.

>>15261188

They may have known at one point but normalfags have notably shit memory. I mean even people here on /v/ have shit memories most of the time, so what can you expect out of casuals? So the industry gets away with dumbing it all down because few people remember how it was.

>>15261180

Basically normalfags then

>>15261208

Again, regular casuals are more tolerable as they don't give a shit (even if they're killing gaming still) and won't actively go out of their way to defend cancerous practices. If you talk to a run of the mill normalfag about how games used to be they'll just have no idea, cinematic fags will screech at you how you're stuck in the 80s if you care so much about gameplay over story.

>plz buy gone homo

No.

>>15260747

>long games

>Call of Duty

wut

>>15261253

I was thinking something along those lines too. I bet they have all of their wanna-be authors (developers) writing short stories with 2deep16u plots which actually don't make any sense because they originate from a defective soy brain that can't process logic properly due to estrogen overload.

>>15261074

Judging by the cover it had too many white people in it.

I thought you fags are always pining over the old days of SNES type games that are actually short as fuck if not bloated by artificial difficulty to make it feel like you got your money's worth.

>>15260815

That little infographic forgot all the rest of them.

So long as media sites and "news" outlets rely on advertising revenue, they're at the whim of corporate interests, and are in direct competition with each other for viewership and will use the same slimy tactics as the others - just towards a different demographic. The only way to get around this is the way technical journals have, where they charge $80 an issue or $10 an article (on the low end) - but is justified by being accurate and useful to professional/technical occupations rather than scumming for general readerships/views. Because it absolutely is a meritocracy driven system, that's about the closest you'll get to objectivity and accuracy. Not to mention that the only people reading it tend to know what the fuck they're talking about, so it's harder to bullshit and get away with lies. Nobody is going to pay $100 an issue for some asshole's opinion blog.

And even they aren't totally immune to being fucked with, such as big pharma running ads in some medical journals - where surprisingly their meta-analysis may be skewed to a favorable result from the meta-analysis of their latest drug or procedure

>>15261859

>difficult games when mastered are short

>is the same as games with no challenge that are just short

>>15261074

Because it wasn't made by the indie circlejerk they're part of. Also, japanese.

>>15261658

You know, it's only tangentially related but I wonder if there are people complaining that the Ace Attorney series has no darkies (as a consequence of the fact that nearly everyone is white except the few Asians they really couldn't pass off as white and a couple of darker Japs passed off as spics)

>>15261658

Reminder those blue faggots are all jews.

Some of the best video games of all time run in the 20 minutes - 2 hour range. They are indeed correct that games don't need to be long. They're even correct that bloated pig budgets have a detrimental effect on overall game quality because the more money spent on a game less risks are willing to be taken. Unfortunately, the cinemaplay trash they appear to be idolizing are not games.

Quit your contrarian bullshit, since when the fuck is mainstream news garbage worth making a /v/ thread over?

>>15262103

>Quit your contrarian bullshit

How is it being a brainlet and not understanding that the article is implying these types of games are recent? That's why OP made it you dummie.

>since when the fuck is mainstream news garbage worth making a /v/ thread over?

Half the fucking reason this site got popular was because 4chan didn't allow the discussion of the "gamers are dead" articles in 2014.

>>15262119

Which were done by video game outlets, not fucking MSNBC. Who gives a shit what they write about video games, it's not even worth getting upset about. When in your life have you ever seen something of value written about video games in a mainstream (not-dedicated-to-video-games) outlet?

>>15262103

>contrarian

redditor buzzword. you have to go back

>>15260564

>short video "games" are breaking ground

So that's why they have nothing to stand on.

>>15262134

THere was a cute little article that was genuinely impressed and wonderous about Dwarf Fortress a while back.

>>15262103

its right and wrong at the same time. Your average Scumm adventure game could be completed in around 2 hours if you knew what you were doing and are still to this day fun to play. But at the same time, you have games like the Final Fantasy games where the better ones are grand epics that can last weeks to months of gameplay. Deus Ex for example normally takes me 20+ hours to complete.

Modern games journalist idiots need to stop it with this "all or nothing" mentality. Games can be many things, not every fucking game has to be the same brown diversity quest bullshit.

>>15262090

>before 2000

Try 2010.

>>15262310

Deus ex could also be replayed. You would have an entire new story if you went with Unatco or your brother.

>$69.99 price tag

>Denuvo

>Season Pass

>Micro-transactions

>Only for limited time console tied exclusives(for each console)

>Single player

>3.4 hour playtime, 6 hour cinematics

>>15262444

I'm not poor, so if it's 10+/10 game, I will, all new games are pure shit tho

>>15260604

your grandma used to cook pretty fucking awesome meals from high quality ingredients right out of her garden, right? everybody loves it and tells grandma, grandma you ought to start selling this! i've never tasted anything so good. so grandma takes the advice and goes about figuring out what it would take to scale it up for mass consumers. no longer is she using fresh ingredients, now she buys dried/powdered stuff in massive quantities because it's the only way to source the ingredients. grandma can't cook all this shit on her own, either, she has to rent a factory and hire workers. to pay the workers and still make it profitable, ie worth her time she tries to source the cheapest ingredients possible. grandma dies and somebody else takes over the food factory, some jew who further tries to cheapen every ingredient in pursuit of profits while still maintaining a consumer base. i feel like that's what's happened to video games, people trying to cheapen everything in the pursuit of profits the almighty $hekel dollar. what can we get rid of or put less in to make our product cheaper to make

This is just a power move by the kikes. There have been short games forever, the very first games were all short, it’s not a ground-breaking thing to release short games, it’s just being a cheap nigger. We have the technology now for games to have file sizes of 100+ GB, there’s no excuse for releasing short games anymore.

>>15261074

Ghost Trick is long by their standards, read

>>15261477

Procedually generated environments and objects are the way to go for small dev teams in the future if they want to start compete with the AAA-teams. Don't have the manpower to handcraft every small detail, neither does it matter, what matters is that the game is good and fun. Good shit will always sell somewhat in the end and you having a good game is the best marketing there is (the other one is pissing off SJW's but don't let anyone else in on that secret).

>>15260564

>The reality is, games don't need to be long

The reality is, that's up to the market to decide.

>Quality over quantity

>When they can shit out these 2 hour games way easier then a good 40+ hour game with a lot of content

If they mean QUALITY with artificial scarcity, sure.

>>15262672

Agreed. If a game doesn't entertain me for the equivalent rate of £1/Hour (ie 40 hours of play for a £40 game) or better then it's a rip-off as far as I'm concerned.

Marxist marketing in its purest form

>let's make video games!

<should I do some market research into current demands?

>No, we will make (((diverse))) games and then browbeat the customer into buying it

<but how will we recoup operating costs if they don't sell

>diverse games are very in right now

<based on what?

>all my friends and everyone I know on social media love it!

They are all operating off of government subsidies anyways, so YOUR tax payer dollars are funding the saturation of the market with shitty games. Rather than providing the supply for the market demand, they create supply and then try to force the market to buy it.

>>15262911

>paying £600 for a yearly monster hunter game

Fuck off, I'd rather spend $20 on a 2 hour masterpiece like Loom than spend any money at all on Fortnite or Dota 2. By your logic, each game of Civilization would cost £20 regardless of how buggy or incomplete it is. Charging based off time spent only encourages devs to add in grinding and otherwise time-wasting antimechanics.

>>15262485

>food analogy

>>15260564

>Quality

made me chuckle

>>15262969

Instead of playing 2 hour indie shit for $20 you can just wait for a sale and buy something good for $20. Games start to get discounted after just 6 months.

>>15260599 (CHECKED)

>I want all game journos to fucking hang

Hang the niggers and jews while we're at it, dubs man.

>>15263089

Food analogies are the final argument, Stefan.

>>15262588

>We have the technology now for games to have file sizes of 100+ GB, there’s no excuse for releasing short games anymore.

Anon, you know that game size has almost nothing to do with content and a lot to do with texture and sound quality and compression?

>>15265880

>and still write a long fluff piece

The future of journalism is to take screenshots from a video on youtube then copy your review from a video on youtube. And don't be entitled, journalists are the gatekeepers of this hobby shitlord, you don't own nothing.

>>15260564

Mad World is the only game where it's short lenght adds to the experience

It's a fun game, with lots of fun gimmicks in all the levels but as soon as you start that the monotonous gameplay is getting old and the game starts to run out of gimmicks, you fight the final boss and the game ends

making it longer would have made it a drag

regarding the article

>praising indy hippster walking sims

there's revisionism and then there's flat out fantasy

even normalfags can smell the bullshit of the walking sim from a mile away, the only way to full them is with pretty graphics and good marketing like Soyny does

>>15260564

Except the indies that are the most popular consistently are the ones who have a strong core and a fuckton of content and can be played for a very long time, not one-and-done shit like "Her Story"

Let's look at steam's top seller indies:

Dead Cells, rocket league, Hard West, this is the police 2, stardew valley, binding of isaac, slime rancher.

So strategy/tactics, VNs, roguelites, farming games and one multiplayer-focused game. All of these have a fuckton of content (or replayability like rocket league); the indie market prefers gameplay focused games, not shitty sega CD games, if they want story they want a lot of it, a single VN has more story than all of SJW-core shit combined.

>it's impossible for a long game to not be filled with filler, cheap content, and repetition because my mind cannot grasp these concepts

"Gamedev" is code for low skill codemonkey leftist. Do not forget this self identifier.

>>15260564

>"Short games are growing in popularity!"

Do these niggers not realize that most games before the advent of CD storage media were like, 3 hours tops once you knew how to beat them?

>>15260564

>Challenging the idea that length of play is linked to quality

Thanks MSNBC, I never realized that REAL GAMERS think that pretty much every 2D platformer is shit.

>>15260642

Ever seen what they show in the modern art museums? Same principle here.

The best games are not too long. It used to be just JRPGs that were 50+ hours but there was a fad in the 2000s to present that longer = better and now we have a lot of 200+ hour games that could be 5-20 hours if the fat were trimmed. These are all casual play times of my favorite games:

>SUPER MARIO BROS 3 - takes about 3 hours to beat

>SONIC 3,3&K - takes about 5 hours to beat

>METAL GEAR SOLID - takes about 5 hours to beat

>ALTTP - takes about 8 hours to beat

>play RPGMaker RPGs for free

>get endless hours of decent amateur entertainment

>play professionally made AAA games for $60 with $200 total of DLC

<get 5 hours of tumblrina sheboons shitting on me because I built a character with a lighter skin tone

Well, looks like free is the future.

>>15267185

This is what I constantly tell people. And you listed 3 of my favorites. Never got into Sonic, but Sonic Mania put it on my radar and I plan on playing the "original trilogy" as it were.

Its weird seeing this revisionist history. Gamers™ exclaim that back in PS2 era or the SNES era or whatever decade we are jerking off this time that games were so much longer and games today are too short and have taken a step back and "the casuals" are to blame for this. I don't know where this comes from. This just flat out isn't true. You can blame the influx of non-gamers for some things, but not this one, and games have gotten horrifically long.

Unless you only played RPGs older games were far shorter than they are now, and they were also better. I was in a PS1 mood this morning and I finished Silent Hill and Ridge Racer Type 4 TODAY. 6 hours of playtime total. Great games.

Judging games on some shitty dollar per hour ratio is the worst thing you could do.

>>15267185

It's even simpler than that, it's not the time of the game that defines it's quality, and different games need different times for playthrough to make you feel that you used your money correctly.

An RPG that tries to tell a long story and let you explore the world while you're at it would need more time than a shooter just making you go through a series of challenges.

>>15261878

You don't know jack shit about scientific journals. They're kikes too.

>need to publish in specific journals to receive accreditation

>problem is authors have to either sign copyright assignment, or grant an exclusive license, or not get published (not all journals, but common)

>journals often forbid authors from even self-hosting their own research

Also

>journals paywall everything so you have to pay for every article you want to check out

>journals benefit from peer-review for free (although paying for it would also be a bad idea because conflicts of interest)

>journals get to charge for publicly-funded (i.e. taxes) research (and pocket all the money)

>journal subscriptions are such a rip-off even big universities are increasingly considering terminating them

>journal kikes hate open access

Such kikery is the driving reason behind sci-hub and libgen

Fuck copyright. It's literally impeding research. It's cancer.

>>15260689

NEVER

EVER

shitty clickbait thread, OP and his enablers should go and immolate themselves

>>15272013

You're right that progress systems need to be removed from videogames as they are one of the cancers killing them, but why Bakraid instead of Garegga or Batrider?

>>15261477

Or games.

>>15260564

I think most games are too long.

The examples used in the article are terrible.

>>15260564

Short games tend to lack both quality and quantity.

>Gone Home shilling

>muh walking simulators are the new black

>The debate about the length of games has been around almost as long as the games themselves. [in the past] gametime was artificially lengthened by repetitive, difficult obstacles. By the mid-90s, longer games were shipping on multiple discs. [with time], advances in technology allowed for [larger games]. A user could easily spend more than 100 hours in [a full length AAA title]

>“Adding in filler or repetitive content in order to hit a certain playtime was a practice I didn't love from the big games I'd worked on,” said Sam Barlow, [some nigger nobody gives a shit about]

If a game is too long for you, then maybe you have poor time management skills. What you call "fluff" others call the meat of the experience.

>Shorter games also have a particular advantage over their longer siblings, [they usually] cost less than the standard $60 standard retail pricing, though whether or not a game’s length should affect its price is still up for debate.

The amount of time one can spend playing is an important variable that should be considered when determining whether or not a game is worth one's time. Why would I want to play something that isn't going to last any longer than a conversation with my ex-wife? Even highly repetitive content can be worth playing, provided that said content is actually fucking fun to play. All those shit games that the article is shilling are more like "experiences", which is to say that any given player probably won't pick them up again on a regular basis. They're "games" that one plays for the first time, and maybe once or twice again, but they'll eventually collect dust for long spans of time. That's bad for anyone who wants to actually spend time playing something on a regular basis.

>“To me, shorter games means more diverse games”

>“Longer games are more expensive to make, so there's more incentive to stick with tried-and-true game styles to cover the larger costs.”

>“The reality is, games don't need to be long”

>“The craft is about giving us emotions and experiences and ideas in a concentrated form that takes us outside of our own lives.”

Listen to these fags drone on about nothing. I think what you faggots are really saying is that you want to ultimately put less effort into your product and also try and convince your audience that this is somehow a good thing.

>>15278254

An example to illustrate the point. It's the shortest of the three, actually taking about 20 minutes of real time to beat.

>>15260564

The sad thing is that I agree with the basic premise: I'd rather have a game that's short, but fun to play over and over again even after you have already beaten it. Just cut out the modern bloat from games.

But that's not what game journalists mean, when they talk about shorter games they mean cutting out the actual game and only leaving in the bloat.

When players say "quality over quantity" they probably dont mean the length

They mean CONTENT

If its mass produced crap thats a chore to deal with it, we want proper writing and gameplay

>>15260815

>faggots having to credit themselves at the bottom

<whoah-ho-hey! Faggot Group is really important!

<I'm soooooooooooo important! Meeeeeeeeeeee!

>>15260879

Kek, he probably did. I know a lot of his kind would to signal some more.

>>15262091

SJW cliques need to be ruined and forced out of gaming.

>>15266170

You are the reason I still come here, anon.

oh is the msm saying something stupid again?