859426 No.15236012
First Owlboy, then Iconoclasts, and now this.
There is a tendency of indie metroidvanias there were in development hell for YEARS just not delivering on release.
To contrast shit that popped out of nowhere like Shovel and Hollow Knights or Dead Cells exploding and becoming modern classics.
What other years-in-development indies were you looking for? Do you think they will flop as well?
Not quite metroidvanias but Vagrant and Card Saga Wars were also in development hell for years and their half-featured releases met next to no publicity.
35cb00 No.15236022
>in development hell
>just released yesterday
What? Is this a shill thread? Is the game fun ?
859426 No.15236027
If anyone interested here's mega from IGG.
mega.nz/#!uvhDFRpI!tfv2DrKepni_wlV9HxImbBy6ssyQNHCzUo7GFi0Sg-E
Should have probably included it in the op.
>>15236022 (checked)
>What? Is this a shill thread?
I'm not get paid for this if that's what you're asking.
And I'm more interested in discussing indie development hell phenomenon in general, rather than this particular example.
>Is the game fun ?
Not really. Steam reviews gives it mixed (out of ~100 lol) and nobody gives a fuck about. As I said it flopped.
Maybe they should have hired actual shills for it.
29a197 No.15236032
>>15236012
Been reading steam reviews, huh?
5a61f1 No.15236043
>>15236022
I seen Chasm in a ps4 demo at best buy for like what feels like 2 years now..
82ab5a No.15236079
Did Chasm do anything wrong?
The gif doesn't say much at all
f6350c No.15236106
>>15236079
Apparently it's sluggish, poorly balanced, has some random generation meme in what is supposed to be SOTN clone as well as some controller support issues.
That gif I assume showcases enemy's AI, or lack of one. In most metroidvanias game you expect enemies to actively attack you, even the very first zombies you meet. That thing just drones in and out.
tl;dr it's generic 2d indie shit instead of legendary 16bit retro resurrection people wanted since shovel knight was 8bit one.
7e436d No.15236120
>>15236027
the game looks like it's just a shitty mod for Celeste, which already looks like of those "please speedrun" games
f6f098 No.15236161
I wish these metroidvanias would put half as much effort into the game as they did with the soundtrack. Not everything needs a fucking John Williams score.
84d459 No.15236176
What's wrong with Iconoclasts? It's on my backlog list. Owlboy was shit, didn't finish it, no goddamn gameplay along with too much backtracking.
f4305d No.15236188
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>>15236176
Too easy.
Too tumblr.
Too much story vs too little gameplay.
Too much fence sitting in the post-GG era where it's either us or them.
No shilling what so ever so relatively few people know it even exists.
Should it have been released in 2008~10 it would be one of those "cult classic" games. But it's 10 years too late, it just doesn't fit into current demand and supply.
756b41 No.15236210
>>15236012
>Steam reviews = flopped
Man, how much money is Pubg making?
>That gif
Oh man, the first enemy in the game walks back and forth/ is really easy.
>Shovel Knight and Hollow Knight
You mean over glorified pixel shit that was only elevated by "retro" hipster fags.
>Metroidvania
Another dead fucking meme. You mean a 2d side scrolling action adventure game?
>Celeste
Suck a dick faggot, that game is shit as well.
Watch some fucking footage of it or whatever before passing judgement. Fucking useless shits.
84d459 No.15236219
>>15236188
>Should it have been released in 2008~10 it would be one of those "cult classic" games
Hitler, you of all people should know, media is timeless, only the weak minded who let their "peers" influence them think otherwise. However,
>Too easy.
Fuck that noise, why don't these idiots learn from Cave Story?
f4305d No.15236225
>>15236210
If anything pubg has 700k reviews and is constantly the first top played game on steam with 1,5~2 mill people playing.
I mean if it was 100% negative it would still be a success.
Chasm on the other hand has 107 reviews and isn't even in the popular new releases. Thar't a flop, good game or bad game.
>>15236219
>Fuck that noise, why don't these idiots learn from Cave Story?
Wanna joke? It has Robin Must Die mode that can only be unlocked by finishing game once. So you can't even play hardest mode from get go.
84d459 No.15236266
>>15236225
Is that mode actually hard/fun? Downloading finished savegames is a thing, I did that when Metroid Prime 2 or 3 did the same dumb shit and had a blast.
7390b4 No.15236279
>literal pixelshit
I'll pass.
La mulana 1 & 2 are waiting for me.
f4305d No.15236289
Also
> media is timeless, only the weak minded who let their "peers" influence them think otherwise
But it is weak minded who are numerous and who decide whether certain piece of media become commercial success or not.
Demon's Souls is the prime example. It's nothing special. Should it be released 5 years earlier or later it would be just another niche game with small but autistic fanbase like Armored Core or Tenchu.
But it was released in the age of casual press-x-to-cutscene games and military shooters.
So it awakened ignorant masses to the simple joy of overcoming challenges, and spawned the entire sub genre of action RPGs.
Same for Mario. It's nothing special, and it's not the first of its kind, but it was released at just the right time to become absurdly popular.
On the flip side we have Vanquish or Bayonetta, that nobody but small communities gave a fuck about when they were released, and only retroactively people learned about them and loved them and they got ported to modern systems/PC to not be hampered by outdated hardware.
>>15236266
>Is that mode actually hard/fun?
Optional bosses are legit hard yes.
Regular end-game bosses are of moderate challenge.
Game as a whole is still pretty easy, especially if you don't limit yourself as even in 1-hit-death mode you can equip 3 points of armor.
But then again what do you consider hard? I'm pretty casual myself, I think true ending of Cave Story is some absurd fucking bullshit that I by some fucking miracle got through once when I was younger and never touched that shit again, but I always see people claiming that it's some mid-tier difficulty.
If you're one of those, there is nothing in Iconoclast in terms of challenge for you.
85f077 No.15236305
>>15236176
>Owlboy was shit, didn't finish it
How far did you get? I kept reading reviews that it was good, so I yohoho'd it and I played until the pirates showed up and you need to take off for some other village or something. I've been meaning to get back to it, but every time I think about it, I just don't feel like playing it over my other options. The gameplay felt so bland, what little I experienced. Should I just delete it?
77e63e No.15236310
>>15236210
Played it for an hour. It's shit, absolutely tedious. The randomly generated map is just lackluster, the gameplay feels like a slog. Only difficulty is that the since everything feels so slow and dreary you just wanna go fast to get it over with when the game really wants you to take it slow and conserve health.
35cb00 No.15236314
>>15236279
To be fair the pixel art doesn't look bad. Pixelshit was always meant to mean lazy developers who used pixels as an excuse to avoid putting some effort into the aesthetic.
84d459 No.15236315
>>15236305
Fairly far, probably 70 or 80%. By that point I was tired of waiting for it to get good.
84d459 No.15236391
>>15236289
I imported Demon's Souls, getting to play online exclusively with nips who are far more interesting to play with than most burgers made it really special. It was that hype that got it released in the West, where everyone proceeded to miss the fucking point and do gay duel shit without invading properly. Mario is still a masterpiece of level design as well despite memespouters spamming bing bing wahoo until they're banned. Also, no one here should give a fuck if these sell or not. I wish Demon's Souls and Dark Souls didn't sell, everything afterwards was an abomination and multiple steps backwards from 'oh fuck this boss with a huge towel on his head is another player'.
78f60f No.15236401
84d459 No.15236416
>>15236401
>every oldfag is Mark
5f74c3 No.15236419
>>15236106
I seem to recall Mario games having no AI to speak off, yet still being a golden classic.
8c998c No.15236421
>>15236416
>mark
>an oldfag
6d5d46 No.15236424
>>15236012
>Metroidvania
Just fuck off soy.
84d459 No.15236435
>>15236421
>you
>having the reading comprehension of Jamal
756b41 No.15236462
>>15236279
La Mulana is shit.
>>15236424
This.
7390b4 No.15236539
756b41 No.15236572
>>15236539
lol u dont have one.
b91ccb No.15236580
>>15236462
>La mulana is shit
what does it even take to have taste this bad
go back to no mans sky
7390b4 No.15236595
>>15236572
Just because i have a vagina does not mean i can't have a penis!
756b41 No.15236616
>>15236580
I
don't
know
you
tell
me.
>>15236595
I am sure your parents are proud.
b20a3d No.15236638
>>15236012
>dead cells
>modern classic
All I've heard about it recently is how the devs are a bunch of fucking retards who don't know how to balance a game properly.
2ac94f No.15236651
>>15236225
Are you familiar with this early July article on Steam's player game count? At the time PUBG was ranked #3. I can't see the game dying until the next Fad hits the market and floods it.
https://archive.is/jomHu
756b41 No.15236664
>>15236651
Fucking Degenerates.
e68781 No.15236684
>>15236638
>who don't know how to balance a game properly.
Because it is impossible to "balance" PvE game played by huge number of people both casual and hardcore complaining about mutually exclusive things simultaneously.
So when you please one huge group, another starts spitting shit instantly and vice versa.
756b41 No.15236693
>>15236684
Who plays this garbage?
e68781 No.15236705
>>15236693
People who like to have fun.
5ddf91 No.15236706
>>15236012
>Chasm
I expected nothing and was still let down.
756b41 No.15236710
>>15236705
Doesn't look fun, Ristar is fun, hell even ECCO looks more fun then this garbage.
e68781 No.15236720
>>15236710
Ok hipster-kun.
65562e No.15236724
>>15236651
>No Man's Sky 1,396,577
>NieR:Automata 1,175,123
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
756b41 No.15236752
>>15236720
>Promotes pixel indie shit
>Calls others a hipster
Stop being a nigger.
57ab46 No.15236760
>>15236724
<No soy sky shilled by every media company ever with so many lies it feels even too much for (((them)))
Vs
>a waifu bait with a great asspect
It's surprising nier automata reached this number of players.
67aacb No.15236763
>>15236210
>Metroidvania
>Another dead fucking meme. You mean a 2d side scrolling action adventure game?
You mean like classic Castlevania? Metroidvania refers to a specific style of games, to differentiate them from similar games with more linear progression. Also yeah, why don't people use six words to describe a game when they can do it in one? Really weird, isn't it? Meanwhile you use terms like pixelshit and hipster. Why don't you say, for example, low-quality 2D pixel graphics made by incompetent and most likely left-leaning young adults? Because you can use one word to describe all that, that's fucking why.
>>15236684
I was waiting for someone to post footage of this trash fire. I swear it's uglier every time I see it. Fucking retards still haven't figured out that visibility is king in 2D in particular, and vomiting all over the screen with dust, colored lights, flashy effects, damage numbers and all the other shit is not good game design. The only people that consider this to be good pixel art, or even acceptable, are the retards that haven't actually played a good looking 2D game.
>hurrr if you don't like my beloved objectively low quality game you just hate fun
Let me know when the devs pull their heads out of their asses far enough to figure out that visual design shouldn't get in the fucking way of the gameplay.
5e686b No.15236764
>>15236724
Automata is a shit game entirely carried by a nicely modeled ass. DoA Extreme Beach Volleyball deserves credit as a trailblazer.
000000 No.15236768
>>15236012
Any indie game "successful" was made so by journos/child rapists hyping (a mental illness) them to all places.
Now, with all journos exposed as child rapists and leftists, people avoid whatever they recommend.
And some are starting to realize that, indeed, indie games are shit and were never good.
e68781 No.15236780
>>15236752
Pixel indie shit has been mainstream for years now.
Keep up with the times.
>>15236763
These are year old videos if you can't tell by the filenames. But you're faggot all the same.
DC is god-tier.
756b41 No.15236787
>>15236763
Metroidvania discredits a shit load of other games that came before Castlevania 2, 3 and Super Metroid along the same vain of game design.
>>15236780
Fuck that, stop shilling your shitty game.
e68781 No.15236791
>>15236787
It's not shilling if I'm doing it for free.
7f7cb2 No.15236797
>>15236764
speaking of awards,(you) certainly deserve one too
9d950b No.15236932
>>15236188
Not only too much story, but the story feels completely disjointed and nonsensical, like reading the last few chapters of a long running book series. There's three characters in the entire game that have anything resembling motivation, and only one of them is seen for more than five minutes. It's also extremely apparent which scenes were written in 2012, and which ones after, even more so if you compare earlier versions where in a sneaking section a bunch of soldiers make lewd jokes, with the final one being that one of the guards is gay. This was changed to a lot of dad jokes very shortly after it launched.
463917 No.15237694
e22564 No.15237718
What is with the cuckchan tier posts?
44e548 No.15237732
>>15236188
I thought the game had hilariously anti-sjw undertones, the main antagonist is an angry and incompetent narcissistic female that could easily be seen as a sjw caricature.
2f3b63 No.15237736
>>15237729
>I don't think anything will ever surpass AM2R
because none of them are going to put the effort required in level design, just slap some randomly generated mess and call it a game.
05d461 No.15237740
>>15236797
Why can't anons accept Nier Automata was shit? I literally fell asleep several times because mashing X and right trigger just wasn't doing it for me.
10f63e No.15237741
>>15236932
The creator met Maya Felix at some con in 2016 and you can guess the rest
2f3b63 No.15237743
>>15237740
I don't see what your narcolepsy has to do with the quality of a game.
e22564 No.15237777
What's with the push that Nier automata was a bad game now recently?
05d461 No.15237789
>>15237777
>Why are gamers sexist and misogynist?
This is what you sound like. Nier Automata was always bad, I've always thought that. No recent push, you just can't accept that a game made by nips that features your waifu could EVER be bad
05d461 No.15237805
>>15237795
Every post you make just proves the Goons right about you guys, stop anon! T_T
e22564 No.15237850
>>15237789
This is some insane leaps of logic you have don't ya?
78d77d No.15238222
I feel like even small, 98x92 ship from Starsector has more detail than those platformers' main characters.
e4f175 No.15238844
>>15236027
>plays music
>has rambo
Now thats an installer I know I can trust
5b8c82 No.15239015
>>15238222
I wish Indiecuck nuDevs were forced to develop all their shit on Amiga OCS-tier hardware at gunpoint with Metal Slug tier effort put into the sprites.
How many would survive under those conditions, I wonder?
05d461 No.15239222
>>15237850
Not really, it's more of a comparison of people making shit up in their heads thinking the world is against them. The world isn't against you, Nier Automata is just a shitty game. And I'm not the only one who thinks that
1ba72c No.15239582
I absolutely despise these '2D dark souls' that indie devs have been churning out lately, they're all fucking copycats but at least metroidvanias didn't use to be artificially difficult.
Lately I've been playing Hollow Knight (currently at nightmare grimm) and even there, there's this bad aftertaste. How hard can it be, to keep producing more GBA Castlevania clones?
e22564 No.15239616
>>15239222
>Not really, it's more of a comparison of people making shit up in their heads thinking the world is against them
Jesus you really need to head back to whatever shithole you crawled from.
05d461 No.15239661
>>15239616
Anon, this is the Sheriff of 8chan, the anon you're responding to…his posts are coming from this shithole
1ba72c No.15239703
>>15237777
>>15237789
It's the goon tactic called 'this sexist game sucks, but for entirely different reasons.'
b05923 No.15240766
3caa25 No.15240831
>>15237740
seconded, outside of the porn Nier Automata was a fucking snoozefest with shitty fetch quests and tedious boss fights
c4f59d No.15240891
>>15236210
>hollow knight
>pixel shit
f4305d No.15240911
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>>15240891
It's flash shit.
c4f59d No.15240942
>>15240911
damn their art improved a lot
1056f4 No.15241006
>>15236684
>those color-vomit effects along with those damage numbers that completely cover up the enemies
they better fix that or atleast have some option to disable it
9f8ae0 No.15241012
I haven't played Chasm or Owlboy but man, Iconoclasts really disappointed me. I loved Noitu Love 2 and the first Iconoclasts demo looked interesting but the game just ended up being boring as hell and the story was overly dramatic. Didn't even beat it.
1056f4 No.15241032
>>15241024
Same, I pirated Iconoclasts and only got as far as the first boss until I stopped playing it altogether. I guess I was just tired of seeing indie pixels. I feel like Hollow Knight's success may have been that it was a fresh air from the indie pixel games that are practically everywhere at the moment.
9f8ae0 No.15241047
>>15241024
It's on my list, might play it soon. Also, if it's good I hope they do a new/remake of Monster World IV.
What's wrong with Owlboy? I haven't played it myself yet.
>>15241032
I got further than that, I have a few good hours in but I still didn't feel like continuing.
>>15241044
Isn't this a mobile game?
78d77d No.15241086
>>15239015
I'd pay to watch that
d15a2e No.15241119
>>15241047
It's on the iPhone store IIRC, but it got a PC release as well (it also works without issue on Linux via WINE)
5e537b No.15242963
I'm sorry it's just not fun.
Pity bump.
b91ccb No.15242983
la mulana 2 just came out and its great.
d2f6f3 No.15243058
>>15242983
>fucked up the controls again after years of fan requests
>great
Try again.
3b6e42 No.15243079
>>15236419
The enemies in 3D Mario games would actively attack you. In Mario 64, an enemy would chase after you when it sees you. Stop making excuses for shit games.
1c49f7 No.15244090
>>15236188
>>15237732
Just started playing Iconoclasts
>You can shoot
<It goes automatically to any enemy that you are facing, reducing the usefulness of the charged shot
>You can blunt-force your way with a wrench
<Either a 1-hit attack or keeping the wrench button pressed for a spin attack that leave you open
<The story is about a rebellion against "Him" and his Ivory Fuel™
6b103d No.15244627
>>15243027
GoG is far more fucked than steam at this point.
e22564 No.15244993
>>15244986
Their PR guy went on ResetERA they can fuck right off.
e22564 No.15245010
>>15245003
>Defending going on ResetERA
I'm guessing you just blew in from cuckchan?
c455ec No.15245072
>>15245016
You specifically indicated you cared by responding and defending their actions. Go back to licking the shit off your mother's snatch.
24204a No.15245440
>>15236684
>enemies have healthbars
>status effects are visible on enemies
>STILL show numbers and a little status effect icon next to the health bar
Whoever designed this cuck game should be shot.
4a8b6f No.15245446
damn mods nuked half the thread to defend gamergay
8c09e4 No.15245477
>>15245446
*to defend anti-piracy
29a197 No.15245623
>>15236684
If only there were some way to simultaneously balance the game one way for casuals and another for hardcore players. Some sort of "difficulty setting" that a player could choose when they start playing.
8c09e4 No.15245694
>>15245623
There are difficulty settings of a sort, you unlock them in sequence by beating the game
People still think the hardest one is too easy
One of the big problems is the game is built to encourage you to just run past most enemies, which is always going to be easy
Also, just putting difficulty settings in a menu and letting the player choose how babied they want to be is casual as fuck
63bebf No.15245784
>>15245694
> just putting difficulty settings in a menu and letting the player choose how babied they want to be is casual as fuck
You have no idea what are you talking about soyboi.
b7b53e No.15245826
>>15245694
> just putting difficulty settings in a menu and letting the player choose how babied they want to be is casual as fuck
So you'd rather they just dumb down the whole game for everyone?
8c09e4 No.15245882
>>15245826
>So you'd rather they just dumb down the whole game for everyone?
No, meme spacing, I'd rather the game have more natural and static progression, which is what it has
Letting players choose to make it easier or harder on a whim without even having to play the game defeats the purpose of having challenges in the first place, unless you're going full contra and making the easy mode a demo version of the game
b7b53e No.15245932
>>15245882
>unless you're going full contra and making the easy mode a demo version of the game
But that's a pretty good implementation, both to make the players want to git gud to see more of the game, and to save resources from having to balance different difficulties for the whole game. Anyhow, I'd rather be able to choose the difficulty myself than risk devs being pussies and catering to the lowest denominator. I'll agree with you that an imposed challenge, when well-crafted, is superior to all those options.
8c09e4 No.15245971
>>15245932
Eh, I would argue a game that panders exclusively to retards isn't worth playing to begin with
b7b53e No.15245996
>>15245971
That's true, but we've already seen a lot of lost potential stuff as well, games that would be great/almost perfect if just the difficulty wasn't so retard-proof that it takes several self-imposed challenges to not make it a snorefest I'm looking at a lot of JRPGs here, liking those and liking challenge is hell on earth
3aa44b No.15246041
>>15236106
>SOTN clone
How pathetic considering sotn was already a clone.
589797 No.15246113
<<15246041
No (you)s today
a30516 No.15246194
>>15236106
>random generation
DROPPED
a30516 No.15246216
>>15236462
You're shit faggot.
8c09e4 No.15246220
>>15246194
Don't worry anon, it's not really all that procedural, it just has fucking awful level design
a30516 No.15246245
>>15236310
>slow
It doesn't look slow at all in the trailer. Is it false advertising?
fd2c99 No.15246310
039cd1 No.15246486
677d18 No.15253731
>>15236027
IGG has been compromised for a while now, too bad you weren't here to see it. Back to reddit with you shill.
35cb00 No.15253980
>>15236684
>>15236720
>>15236780
>deadcells
looks like shit
>>15241012
>Noitu Love 2
all style and no substance
fb191a No.15261938
>>15236787
>stop having fun and stop showing off video games i want to be absolute in my conviction that theres nothing worth playing
589797 No.15264499
>>15253980
It left early access btw.
Hope you hate it even more now, faggot.
a82c77 No.15266109
Just played Dead Cells an hour and it looks like a fun game.
What's wrong with it again? I'm on the verge of buying it.
c90303 No.15266122
>>15244090
its a solid game and the anticapitalist themes are very redpilled, make sure you finish it
b07bbc No.15266148
>>15266109
the fact that it isn`t finished should be reason enough, faggot.
eb5148 No.15266159
>>15243079
3D Mario isn't being discussed here faggot.
a82c77 No.15266164
8c09e4 No.15266179
>>15266109
Progression is godawful, they absolutely bungled it on every level imaginable
The item unlock system is fucking silly, the level routes you can take are meaningless, the progressive difficulty unlocks are shitty and don't add anything to the game, and even just minute to minute gameplay encourages you to run past all the enemies and skip everything because those speedrunning cunts just have to ruin everything
Also it's on gog so you shouldn't even be buying it even if you're a good little arcadecuck that absolutely needs to have the daily runs and leaderboards
bc8302 No.15266185
>>15266109
The only thing wrong with it is that it's taking advantage of current trends and buzzwords in video game to gain popularity :
-metroid-like exploration
-roguelite mechanics
-procedural generation
-"souls-like" even though I fail to see anything resembling dark souls except maybe for the way the health flask works
-made with speedrunning, streaming, and other challenge runs in mind
-bleak, ruined world background with detailed graphic design but little explicit information
The whole game whores itself out to take from other hardcore games for hardcore gamers such as myself.
And amazingly enough, it's still quite good. I usually discourage anyone from buying anything video game related, but the devs really are decent for once, and the "small indie company" unironically applies here. Just pirate it if you're not sure you want to spend your shekels.
a82c77 No.15266217
>>15266179
>Also it's on gog so you shouldn't even be buying it
I already pirated but I consider buying it EXACTLY on GOG because the game seems fun. I'm not sure if it stays fun
8c09e4 No.15266223
>>15266217
Well if you're a good goy who is legitimately considering giving them money just to give them money, then there's no need to take our word for it, you can do that whenever, it's not like you're on a time limit
88d984 No.15266241
>>15266109
>mixels
>8-bit alpha glow and gradients slapped on top of 'retro' pre-rendered sprites
How anyone thinks this looks acceptable blows my fucking mind.
405922 No.15266262
>>15238844
That's really the most fun you'll get out of this game. It starts boring and is only getting worse. Absolute trash game.
ed4992 No.15266263
>What other years-in-development indies were you looking for? Do you think they will flop as well?
Noaika. H-game metroidvania. The developer has actually made a few games before which also took a while, but this one takes the cake on being pushed off. I think its been 8 years now since the supposed release. He just keeps scrapping everything and redoing it from the ground up (supposedly) while working on "side projects" and posting mile long blogger posts and tweeting constantly about medical issues and etc. I don't think it would flop cause there really isn't much expectation, but I also don't think its ever going to fucking come out. This pattern is very played out at this point.
At the very least he doesn't keep a patreon.
6ba619 No.15266358
>>15266109
From the gif shows? EFFECTS that cover the whole damn screen. I'm not impressed.
a4109d No.15266640
>>15240766
>inb4 some soy citizen puts his autism into a simple freeware Star Citizen STG game
>the game is more faithful to the "Dream" than the Star Citizen 4.X final release
>Whales murder him in the Chaos of the global race war for upsetting their percieved natural order
f2a9fb No.15266690
>>15236106
Most of the enemies outside of the first area have actual attacks, even some in the back half of the first area do. The first one I remember is kobolds in the first few hours, who do a little charge at you that has a sudden stop. People saying the combat is sluggish are sort of retarded and don't realize that you can attack out of a backdash and midhop, and in fact most enemies after the first area are made with this in mind. I can only think of a few enemies outside of the first area that don't actively track you or have an actual attack, actually, and they're sprite-swaps of a single enemy… from the first area. A little critter that crawls on the edges of platforms. Everyone else from zone 2 on either pursues you or has an attack or both. Some have two. To not put too fine a point on it, the first enemies you tend to meet in Portriat of Ruin, the zombies, just sort of shuffle around. They don't even change direction to face you if you hop over them and don't have attack animations. It's no Devil May Cry, but it's servicable.
The random generation is actually fairly solid. Repeat rooms are semi-rare and there are significant chunks of the game that are handcrafted. The devs stated that the procedural generation is simply to vary the game a little more between playthroughs, there's seeds and the game seems to have a lot of 'rules' that the generator has to follow.
The only point I'd have against the game is that it's a little slow to start (It really hits its stride about… maybe an hour in, in the second area), that the Mortal mode (one hit death and save delete) isn't really worthwile, and that hard mode is lazy-hard-mode, with higher damage dealt to you. Every other complaint is pretty part and parcel with the entire genre.
405922 No.15266956
>>15266839
I honestly don't know what to think of it. Soundtrack is a lot less memorable and even the first one was a mixed bag. Not sure if the puzzles are actually more mundane or I just got used to it by playing the first one. It's really a lot less mysterious with the amounts of recycled equipment and mechanics. Worst thing for me is the amount of enemies that actually grow with progress. Backtracking becomes a real pain when you 5 to 8 enemies on each screen just to realize the tablet you now realize was still relevant but didn't save was actually somewhere else.
It's still really fun. I also like the way it's explaining a lot of the unanswered question of La Mulana.
4d3dc8 No.15267132
>>15236210
>>15240891
hollow knight isn't pixel shit, it's vector shit
>>15240911
beat me to it
>>15253980
>>Noitu Love 2
>all style and no substance
true, the gameplay is shit, 2 hours of spam clicking until you get carpal tunnel syndrome
f3e04e No.15269832
>>15243058
Are you the arrow key rebind autist? Because you can rebind the arrow keys and everything this time, you just have to be not retarded and look at the main menu for longer than two seconds.
d3fe22 No.15269885
>>15269867
>wasd movement on pure keyboard controls
Arrow keys are for movement, QWER/ASDF/ZXC/shift/space are for other controls. You don't want to sacrifice movement fingers for anything but movement, you probably don't want to lose all your muscle memory on a keyboard without numpad, and the arrow keys/WASD area are sometimes boosted to allow more simultaneous key presses.
da5c8f No.15270020
>>15269885
>control movement with left hand for 30 years
>some inbred monkey tries to convince me to control it with right one
2f81be No.15270051
>>15270020
He's right though.
b48e06 No.15270056
>>15270051
What's the point of having extra keys if using them is just uncomfortable
What games benefit from having access to more than 6 keys under one hand anyway?
000000 No.15270075
>>15266185
>"souls-like" even though I fail to see anything resembling dark souls except maybe for the way the health flask works
The roll spam too
40d555 No.15270082
>What other years-in-development indies were you looking for? Do you think they will flop as well?
It's been years since I last heard news about Ghost Song and haven't seen anyone mention it in a long time, I'd say it could have been a success since Metroid was dead at the time, but most people seem to have forgot about it and plenty of other "Metroidvanias" have come out since it was announced.
01f87b No.15270169
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>What other years-in-development indies were you looking for?
Megaman X Corrupted, I may be dead by the time it comes out but holy shit that game look promising
02f7f8 No.15270194
eeeeeh
Owlboy was shit, only the pixel art was worth it there, there were some funny moments and clever ideas but i don't really remeber them well
Iconoclast was better, there was a very simplistic design phiosophy around a rather limited move set but the game makes the most of it always throwing a new surprise your way
i wouldn't call it bad but ot's definetly not a classic
now chasm to?
i know the words "prosedully generated are big red flags but it can't be that bad
the combat and plataforming look nice and fluid and even if the map is subpar one may get hooked on it due to the level grind factor and the many weapons
deadcells is better in this regard though
103a43 No.15270202
>>15270056
>What games benefit from having access to more than 6 keys under one hand
Dead Cells. 2 weapons, 2 special weapons, interaction key, dodgeroll, jumping, and healing.
c782ef No.15270215
>>15270169
I remain unconvinced that it is a real game and believe that it is in fact nothing more then really good flash animations.
f3e04e No.15270229
>>15269867
Pics related have all the buttons on my controller mapped to what you want, plus Q and E for the two buttons SNES controllers lack.
01f87b No.15270242
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>>15270215
JKB do developpment streams from time to time and i'm pretty sure that no sane man would keep doing flash animations for 10+ years
b48e06 No.15270284
>>15270202
That's exactly the one I'm currently playing.
>j - left hand
>k - right hand
>u - left sub
>i - right sub
>l - jump
>o - heal
>e - interact
>wasd - move
>alt - roll
>tab - map
>esc - menu
>q,z,x,c - unused
WSAD is superior movement layout no matter what.
Arrow keys are for subhumans.
103a43 No.15270308
>>15270284
Putting your hands that close together feels awkward. Maybe you're just a brainlet but I have no problems moving with WASD when mouse is required, and arrowkeys when it isn't.
b48e06 No.15270312
>>15270308
You should have mentioned you're from 4chan beforehead.
103a43 No.15270327
>>15270312
Yes, anyone who has a different opinion from you is from 4chan.
dc5cc0 No.15270336
>>15270312
75% of retards here are frok cuckchan.
This board is pure shit and filled with crossposters to the brim, I literally cannot find a thread that isn't populated by underaged memspouting shitposters anymore.
b48e06 No.15270357
>>15270327
You can't even tell how you got outed.
02f7f8 No.15270362
>>15270020
>>15269885
>faggots arguing wich 4 fingers are best to control movement and other command buttons
>and here i am contolling everything with just 2 thumbs
ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS JOYSTICK GAMING MASTER RACE
103a43 No.15270368
>>15270357
I don't keep up to date with the latest terminology that le epic 8chan culture started disapproving.
d8765a No.15270372
>>15270357
>>15270336
literal pearl clutching over a single word, the 8chan police are feminist-tier
b48e06 No.15270385
>>15270368
>>15270372
Just go back already.
f3e04e No.15270388
>>15270362
D-pad > joystick for these kinds of games
02f7f8 No.15270399
>>15241047
>What's wrong with Owlboy?
it's forgettable at best
It has a very shitty cast of character, very dumb puzzles, no plataforming since you fly all the time, and the only time it forces you to measure jumps is by the end and it's such a milimetric jump that it get fucking tedius after all the times you'll fuck it up
it doesn't even have fun bosses, it has good ideas everywhere but poorly executed
the game looks like it could have been more fun or memorable if it just had that little bit of extra gameplay mechanics or though put into level design, but as it stands it's just a nice idea, with a lot of polish that does not live up to it's potential
the lack of puzzles is waht really killed this for me
a game where you fly around and pick up objects seem made for puzzles but the devs desided to focus in shooting mechanics instead, wich are rather shit
d8765a No.15270405
>>15270385
>L-LEAVE
>I'M SO TRIGGERED RIGHT NOW
we can tell
405922 No.15271530
>>15236720
>>15236684
>>15236780
>>15266109
I just tried it to see if it actually has any merit all. It really is shit.
Even if you ignore the abhorrent visuals, you still have to deal with the grind.
Each run starts with absolutely no challenge and it still forces you to clear as much of the map as possible to get enough upgrades for later. I don't know if there's ever gonna be something that changes that later, but it's to dull for me to go through an estimated 20 minutes of grind just to get to a point where I have to pay attention.
ee174e No.15279519
>>15236684
>da metroidvania roguelite soulslike you've been waiting for!