70bf67 No.15216044
>comfy stealth games about a well-characterized covert operative derailing terrorist conspiracies in a contemporary political climate
>execs decide to run it through the hollywood cliche mill and churn out a bunch of run and gun shit with an edgelord plotline
>openly admit to the later games being inspired by Jason Bourne
Post the times that you've felt this pain.
56e2fe No.15216069
I never played a single game after CT. Summarize how fucked the plot got after this.
e12daf No.15216099
>Game about a very simple, down to earth premise about a sick daughter that goes progressively crazier as it goes on, using sporadic camera angle changes to shake things up, and ending in an ultimately simple but effective meta twist
>A small cast of charismatic characters that get plenty of building
>The sequel is released to huge advertising
>The characters have become basic manga stereotypes, the game makes clear from the first minute you're in for a wild meta ride, the camera angle changes are omnipresent
>All effort has been poured into the meta twists, and none in the setup, quantity over quality at its most blatant
445ac2 No.15216104
>>15216069
They kill sam's daughter so he is mad and third echelon try to take over ameriga so Sam comes and stops that and then they make fourth echelon with only the good people and Sam has a nigger buddy. That's all I remember.
24eb7a No.15216123
All of them, OP.
All of them.
70bf67 No.15216161
>>15216069
I can't speak for Blacklist, but:
Double Agent
>Fisher's daughter dies, Fisher goes to shit out of grief
>Lambert tries to get him out of his slump by assigning him a double agent mission with a terrorist group called the JBA yes the writers really thought that Lambert giving a grieving husk of a man a double agent mission made any sense at all
>blah blah they have nukes and plan to nuke america and Fisher stops them
>Lambert dies in what has to be some of the most retarded writing-out that I've ever seen He decides to personally pose as a runner to the JBA (despite his immense importance to Third Echelon) and is caught by the JBA and subsequently killed by Fisher to protect Fisher's cover. This shit is fucking canon, and they did it to set up what would happen in Conviction.
Conviction I don't remember as well (probably because of the disgust)
>Fisher fucked off after Double Agent, but it turns out Sarah was alive because her death was faked by Lambert and Grimsdottir
>He tries to find her but Third Echelon is rogue now because the new director is rouge, so he ends up uncovering a conspiracy by the vice president to do something or other
>Fisher basically ends up killing off Third Echelon and is subsequently appointed head of the new Fourth Echelon because that's totally how things work outside of hollywood movies
9ad0ac No.15216225
I think Blacklist was a sort of recovery. Although I hated a lot of how the plot was told and that the Sam character was in the game, I think that the game was pretty fun though.
fb55ba No.15216273
>>15216218
nice cuckchan image
4c3508 No.15216357
>franchises that turned to shit
RESIDENT EVIL
CRASH BANDICOOT
SONIC
SILENT HILL
STREET FIGHTER
DEVIL MAY CRY
MORTAL KOMBAT
apparently DEAD OR ALIVE if they don't fix it before release and i am sure they'll turn MEDIEVIL into shit as well with the new remake
eabaa4 No.15216454
>>15216044
Recently purchase Bioshock the collection, for $20 bucks. Decide to play Infinite, beat it in two days to get it over with, there is so much cringy, shitty dialog, throughout the entirety of its sub-par game play. I rolled my eyes so much they about fell out of my fucking head.Especially when Elizabeth confronts her dead moms ghost that she pulled out of another dimension when she was younger, who is actually "her", her own "mom", who's a ghost, but not actually "her" its a feewheeling, or some retarded shit that makes sense, cause deep narrative or some shit like that.
If they were going for a waifu simulator for normfags, I say they succeeded in bamboozling the mass retards who like this game. I get so fucking annoyed when exploring what little their was to explore in Infinite. Just to have Elizabeth constantly callout to me when shes finds some money, only to watch the same shitty coin flip mechanic playout interrupting my fucking playthrough, and enjoyment. Which their was none, fuck this hunk of shit. This franchise took 10 steps back, did a backflip off a ledge right into a massive pile shit. The enemies weren't fun to fight at all. Zip Lines fucking SUCK . The Lutece sibling couple can motorboat DeWitt time traveling gay asshole. They weren't funny just annoying, also your choice doesn't matter. Vigor's suck ass! Why only two guns? I run out of ammo in the middle of a fight so i need to use possession on a vending machine to lower prices, buy my shitty ammo clips that I can use 3 or 4 times, rinse and repeat. I'm sure their is more bullshit but to lazy to type it all out. Like how your daughter Elizabeth is just as much a cunt as you are.
cb2aa1 No.15216646
>>15216161
>Blacklist
It should've just done what Vegas 2 did. You play as some new Splinter Cell recruit given a codename so you'd be free to customize how they look. Sam would be filling in as the new Lambert (with Ironside still voicing him, I'll never get why Sam is still a field operator and a fuckin Director at the same time). Team should've just been him, Grim, Victor (Conviction showed they had history and the Blacklist reveal trailer showed him only for him to be in the first mission then nothing else) and a few returning faces from Pandora Tomorrow and CT. Briggs could've been in as cannon fodder to die on some mission (since he does fuck-all in Blacklist and only serves as someone for Sam to get pissed at).
Fuck Charlie though, fuck him. I don't get why Splinter Cell needed a freakin HACKER KID character who only served to be a fuck-up. It's like some higher up just said 'Hey lets have a NOT-Jonah Hill character in the game, kids like that right?'
I don't watch the Jason Bourne movies so can anyone confirm if there's a character like Charlie in those films?
fcb5ec No.15216677
>>15216044
>Franchises that turned to shit
148180 No.15216680
>>15216357
You'd have a bigger problem finding franchises that didn't turn to shit.
37f24d No.15216691
37f368 No.15216698
>>15216099
Of course you like the first game anon the only version you had was made for the western market.
There is the little boy cliche character but it's only available in japan.
84ddb3 No.15216707
>Every shitty AAA open world game now needs some tacked on stealth mechanic that's shallow, tedious, and usually redundant
>These are based on the stealth games of the era which are equally shallow, tedious, and redundant
>Every stealth game now has a mechanic that just tells you where everyone is at the push of a button
>Every stealth game has the 'throw something to distract' mechanic and guards'll just stare at the rock you threw on the ground for 3 minutes straight
>Every stealth game now barely has any downside for just forgoing stealth completely
>Every stealth game just allows you to walk up to a people and press the instant murder button
>Every stealth game's hiding mechanic is hiding in a bush that you are taller than or just leaving the 20 foot radius until the other guard chalks up the dead bodies as just the wind
>Every stealth game now is just a third person shooter with that dumb circle radar thing around the feet
I'm not a stealth snob by any means, but what's even the point of making games where you sneak around if the thing that causes tension, the possibility of getting caught, is completely removed for the sake of accessibility?
fcb5ec No.15216725
>>15216707
Oh yea that's something that has been bugging me every time I tried "stealth" in newer games. In every single one of them I could just say fuck it and murder everything on the map in direct combat so the only reason I would even stealth is for the bonus (xp, loot whatever) or because the devs are true shitters and attached a fail state to being detected even though you're death incarnate.
166a2e No.15216764
>>15216646
I can't recall, it was just only Bourne and that woman.
817ecd No.15216781
>franchise gets fucked to death by EA
>EA resurrects it to fuck it to death once more with a shitty mobile game!
b95e8f No.15217169
>>15217092
Hey SRIV was fun. After the wreck that was The Third it needed to die, and I'd say IV was the best we could have expected.
fcb98a No.15217283
>>15216044
You do realize you'd be better off asking about franchises that have NOT gone to shit over time, right?
It's sort of an inevitability, really, an unwritten rule of the universe so the exceptions should technically be easier to list.
771678 No.15217300
>>15217092
GTA Online was originally to have a stock market, but that got completely shafted because Cockstar feared that it would be manipulated so they couldn't sell players in-game money. Also:
>last picture
Makes me chuckle every time.
434362 No.15217319
Please review the post count analysis below:
2 anons made 2 posts
20 anons made 1 posts
771678 No.15217340
>>15217319
What's wrong, bot-kun?
bc7ba5 No.15217357
>>15217319
You seem a little terse there, Aaron
9615e1 No.15217361
>>15217283
Girls are cute.
771678 No.15217365
>>15217357
Doesn't Aaron do the Bruce bot?
4c3508 No.15217394
>>15216357
forgot about TOMB RAIDER but this anon >>15216680 said it best
df225a No.15217442
What's interesting is that, Tom Clancy games in general have declined, while (for example) the Rainbow Six games have also suffered a similar decline, while the most recent R6 game has suffered it's own decline within itself with it's more recent DLC characters. It's a series of nested declines, all operating within one another.
37bada No.15217582
>Okay, let's make a Street Fighter that's accessible for beginners and experienced players
>Let's give new players the middle finger by catering to pros, and let them dictate shit like mechanics
>Now let's cater to a bunch of lefist-liberal ass-holes by censoring our game, and putting more clothes on popular characters like Juri
<But we'll let some Arab bitch flaunt her tits she magically stole from Juri with Chun-Li hee hee
>Let's put some shitty, forgettable Final Fight boss in this game, and turn into an unlikable, Canadian autistic faggot
>Now let's put in a meta system based on shit like League of Legends while we force people to spend money on costumes, colors, and shit
>Let's reuse the same fucking stage as seasonal dlc stages.
<Wait, no one is happy with my game?! Throw in a root kit in their PS4s and PCs! That'll show them to embrace Social Justice and my game!
-Ono (I can't wait for the day this piece of shit dies)
84ddb3 No.15217674
>>15217582
Are these actual cohesive thoughts you have in your head?
083565 No.15217701
>>15217674
Fuck off you nigger. Most people want Ono to die horribly and they did pander to fucking black bastards at EVO for rushing SFV out with no arcade mode. They also censored Mika's harmless butt slap and nerfed Cammy's nipples so they also pandered to SJWs. You are fucking scum and I hope you die of aids. Fuck off niggers ain't welcome here.
02c064 No.15217706
All of the ones that didn't die.
84ddb3 No.15217756
>>15217701
I appreciate the tenacity, but you are trying too hard.
f4f454 No.15217775
>>15217701
>>15217582
Sorry anon you're not enough politically correct for 84ddb3.
b24c55 No.15217929
>>15216044
Every single one except for Kirby and maybe King of Fighters, OP
It's hard for me to think of anything that didn't go to shit.
8b50b5 No.15218425
>>15216044
DELET THIS
nothing makes me more angry than the fall of the SC series
>1-3 are exactly the kind of game i want
>sneaking around and being a shadow
>suddenly ubishit wants it to be more mainstream
>kill of sams daughter (but not really lol!)
>sam turns terrorist
>game turns into shitty cinematic action shitfest
>fire original VA that was the soul of Sam because reasons
>dumb game down even further for retarded casuals
I get angry about all the shit in the video games industry but the death of SC tore my soul
c4ca5e No.15218437
>>15217756
He's right though, you can fuck the straight off for defending crapcom's raping of the franchise for the mythical e-sports bucks, like every other company who does that. At least they backpedaled and released the SFV arcade mode out for free.
8b50b5 No.15218443
>>15218425
also
>female analyst turns into experienced field agent because grrlpower!
f52a9b No.15218472
>>15216044
a harder question would be what franchises haven't turned to shit, and the answer would be franchises that died when they were supposed to
c4ca5e No.15218518
>>15218472
Even if your franchise dies it doesn't stop a (((company))) from buying the IP and reanimating the corpse. It can happen no matter how long its been dead.
b9a833 No.15218735
>>15216044
true stealth genre is just not normalfag friendly.
Even with semi successful "stealth" games like Dishonored or Styx, everyone familiar with Thief and splinter cell will see right through the bullshit and how casualised those games are.
Zoomers have attention span of a monkey with adhd, how are they supposed to sit in the shadow wait for the enemy to pass or study his behaviour to learn the pattern. Look at modern hitman, points for doing stuff specific way? occasions, or whatever that retarded system is? you need constant gratitude so they don't loose attention, they don't even thing what they're doing. You cant just tell zoomer "here, have set of weapons, kill the target" no, they get confused. Thinking on my own? wtf. Devs must show exactly what to pick up, where to pick it up, how when and where to use it.
Ofc you can disable it, but its system game was build around, and its turned on by default.
Anyway, the only way to experience new quality stealth content is through thief fms. Sure i can replay splinter cell from time to time, but i know the story, and i remember most maps.
same with older hitman games.
Thief community is the last bastion
5e0be1 No.15218739
>>15216044
The idea of “franchises” is inherently bad.
37bada No.15219691
>>15217674
>>15217756
Fuck off, and go back to /r kappa, you sjw-Capcuck.
37bada No.15219694
>>15218437
They didn't back peddle at all with AE (Juri is still hypocritically censored while they let Menat and Chun flop out their tits). It's still a trashy, shitty fighter no one out of Capcucks wants to touch.
1278fe No.15219715
>>15217365
I'm inclined to believe they're the same.
41f637 No.15219760
>Zelda
>old games were an Eastern take on Western fantasy
>new games focus solely on Eastern fantasy and mythos, most notably changing the in-universe theology to be based more on Shinto
>Breath of the Wild comes out and strays as far from the series as possible to mirror every other open world AAA game out now
>drones eat it up insuring the series won't ever return to its roots
it hurts
8951b0 No.15219773
>>15218804
>reddit leddit memedia
you have to go back
11ed9c No.15220140
How about the opposite? Franchises that improved over time.
887173 No.15222419
>>15216069
I replayed Conviction a while ago on the hardest difficulty, and it was pretty limp.
I remember when I was a lad it was fun, but I grew up with Pandora Tomorrow, and felt like it was a weird direction to have an NSA Ninja become Jason Statham.
It's piss easy, stealth doesn't really matter, because each encounter is made with the implication that you are going to kill everyone. There is the choice to go through some levels without killing, but it's not satisfying to sneak through the game when you can sprint-crawl shadow-to-shadow with no one blinking.
It's also a short game. Which is lame. Chaos Theory best Splinter Cell.
03f769 No.15222442
>>15219760
Why is link wearing no pants?
5c7854 No.15222486
>>15218735
>Thief community is the last bastion
while I enjoy Thief, I don't feel the same shit I feel when playing a SC or MGS, there's something about hi-tech, militar stealth that really appeals me to. I just wish some of these games could be as moddable as Thief 1/2.
785b94 No.15222927
>>15216454
Anyone got that beach video? The one showcasing all the shoddy stuff?
222187 No.15222930
>>15222442
To take it in the ass why else?
785b94 No.15222932
>>15218735
>Styx
>"stealth" as though it's not a legitimate and excellent stealth game
What the fuck nigger? MoS is a better stealth game than any Splinter Cell game ever made, for starters, and probably better than non-Dark Engine Thief games.
e9ab1a No.15224349
>>15222932
This… although It isn't as good as Chaos Theory, but Styx was fun as fuck until you had to start backtracking through mission.
Whats the second one like?
a14312 No.15224370
SWAT 4 is for faggots too, cannot compete with 3. I really have true disdain for you all that rally around SWAT 4.
02c064 No.15224380
>>15222932
Everytime I tried getting into Styx I drop it. I don't know what it is. The wall hugging shit, the broken magic abilities, the game feeling awkward as fuck, etc. I was able to at least beat splinter cell 1 & 2, which probably had to do with how the game felt. Things like shooting out lights was satisfying.
a14312 No.15224386
>>15224380
You can't have jank in a stealth game. It's still on my backlog but I wonder why.
02c064 No.15224387
>>15224386
I'd say at least try it out. I seem to be the only one who thinks Styx is awkward.
a14312 No.15224403
>>15224387
I don't think you're the only one, there have been threads about those game in the past. I'll check it out just to see if it annoys me or not. Speaking of being the only one, I may be the only stealthfag that liked Conviction. I enjoyed the rope-a-dope distractionary nature of it.
a14312 No.15224417
I mean, sure. It was obviously the beginininning of the end for the series but I couldn't help but enjoy bullying the unaware.
581c63 No.15224424
>the only thread where you can post Skyrim unironically
>nobody posts Skyrim
dde7fa No.15224455
>>15216225
Nah, you're a faggot.
11ebe4 No.15224467
>>15224424
>Franchises that turned to shit
>nobody posts game that was always shit
this is not forever shit thread
a65166 No.15224470
>>15216044
Every Blizzard game since WoW.
a59a67 No.15224474
>>15224362
Luckily Rainbow Six 3 is still pretty good.
The thing that hurts me the most about Rainbow Six Rogue Spear and the like is how hard it is nowadays to find the community made content. There used to be so much of it and now its mostly gone.
a14312 No.15224547
>>15224474
True enough, I just went into a grand depression after Rogue Spear petering out. It was a real golden era of clan mods and janky map editing.
785b94 No.15224565
>>15224349
Master of Shadows was better than Chaos Theory, in my opinion. Anyways, the sequel, Shards of Darkness, looks really good and is really polished, however it has a couple "action" boss fights (they're still stealth based but they aren't quiet), a fair amount of poorly done pop culture references, and in my opinion the overall atmosphere isn't as good. It's still a great game, but the first was better. If they did a re-release of Master of Shadows just tuning up the graphics and gameplay to be like SoD, it'd be incredibly good.
f3db9f No.15224579
>>15224547
>It's only me then
What did he mean by this? Last SC game was Blacklist (2013) it had different voice actor and was mediocre at best.
Meanwhile Hitman is back and better than ever. even better than Blacklist as a pure stealth game.
36093f No.15224592
>>15224547
That webm still depresses me.
a14312 No.15224608
>>15224592
I'm sorry, anon. It just makes me remember what is important. I've felt every year since, so it's not that, "Oh, it's been a decade." thing for me. A quality of pain and work. Take this card.
1a2e60 No.15224610
>>15224474
every time I try dto download shit from Woody2000's website, I get banned for exceedinh bandwidth. It's so infuristing I kinda feel it deserves to be lost
a59a67 No.15224621
>>15224610
>>15224547
I used to have so much from thelionsdomain site. Sadly all of that seems to be lost now.
1a2e60 No.15224625
>>15224621
http://www.agr-s.com/files2/index.php?act=category&id=12
it's depressing that while a great source for Ghost Recon stuff, Rocky never saved much rainbow files
a59a67 No.15224635
>>15224625
While that is nice, there is just so much more. I remember there being over 12 gigs of maps. And 12 gigs for that time is a shitton.
3f91ba No.15224798
>>15216099
Anon, I want you to replace Papa Nier with Bro Nier that the nips originally intended, also, have Yonah constantly screeching about her "oniichan", and tell me again what tropes the original Nier escaped.
fcea9b No.15225253
Sucks how the shadows for the first two Splinter Cell games don't work properly on modern machines.
e03475 No.15225313
>>15225253
When I played the games a couple of years ago I ran into this issue and searching the Steam forums yielded a solution that worked for me.
I don't have it bookmarked but it shouldn't be hard to find.
172852 No.15225436
ae261a No.15225789
My favorite topic :(
Deus Ex
Fallout
Splinter Cell
Assassins Creed
Far Cry
let's make this easier: which "franchise" (I like these corporate buzzwords for turning nothing into something) ISNT turned into horse manure these days. I'll wait.
771678 No.15226356
>>15225253
This explains why I dropped Pandora Tomorrow unlike with the first game and Chaos Theory.
192d2c No.15226362
>>15225253
But PC gaming has perfect backwards compatibility and anyone who says otherwise is just a lying console shill. just play the xbox version
0064c2 No.15226374
>>15225789
Deus ex is still pretty good, albeit not unscathed. Also it's not like asscreed had a long way to fall. Also EDF is still doing swell.
fcea9b No.15226394
cabdbf No.15226429
Final Fantasy
Fire Emblem
Battlefield
e03475 No.15226481
>>15226394
No, the one I found involved adding some command lines to the launcher, didn't have to install anything.
But if it works, whatever.
6ac74c No.15226807
How can you "turn" to shit something that always was shit?
4729c6 No.15226965
>>15224547
atleast Gabriel Logan Died before his turned into COD
df517d No.15227054
>>15226481
Are you that guy who must smug Japanese women reaction GIF ???
e03475 No.15227114
>>15227054
>smug Japanese women reaction gif
I actually don't have a lot of those, you must be mistaking me for someone else.
I do have buttloads of pics of japanese qts, though.
df517d No.15227141
>>15227114
I'm saying that because I saw another guy using Japanese girls (GIF) as reaction image
8f2b0a No.15227480
>>15224587
>Deus EX Mankind Divided was shit-meme
Amazing how fucking easy you've been manipulated by the game-journos.
9f0eab No.15227495
>>15216707
You described Hitman 2016 pretty well
9f0eab No.15227514
>>15224587
Think deadly bruddah
bc51a0 No.15227575
>>15224579
>Meanwhile Hitman is back and better than ever.
>Online-only/time-limited missions
>Magical homing throws/lock-on
>QTE melee
>No holding hostages/human shields
>AI still dumb as pigshit
>Accidents are easy as fuck to do
>Still has the Absolution magic vision
>better than ever
677c9a No.15227627
>>15216099
nier was cucked from the beginning because yoko taro is mentally damaged, papa nier was made specifically for the west, in the jap version he looks gay and sells his young asspussy to older men in order to support yonah, iirc they made him a hunter/gatherer in the western version, kaine is also a futanari/dickgirl in the original version, as in she has both a vagina and a massive cock and balls, that's why she was mocked and shunned relentlessly, the west censored this slightly merely telling you she's either fully male down there or has both organs but a tiny dick
it's okay, his other works are just as fucked, in drakengard 1 you play as psychopath whose sister wants to fuck him, in drakengard 3 you play as a whore who fucks everything, even her dragon, and one of her sisters has a young male slave who you rescue and then fuck, and he implies she had an extremely loose vagina
fa56d3 No.15227782
>>15227627
I think that's what makes Taro games interesting
64d639 No.15227803
>>15217442
>A subsection of a downward slope is a downward slope
Woah
973a5d No.15227933
>>15216123
This. The jews did it. The jews are responsible for our favorite franchises turning into shit. Pics related.
GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW
bb9ad8 No.15228110
>>15227933
Hey Reddit, yes we don’t ban you to be an edgelord, but stop shitpost…it decrease the value of the board
d43d3f No.15228189
19612d No.15228194
eaddb5 No.15228235
>>15228110
I can hear your OY VEY in Britain, faggot.
d7e229 No.15228245
>>15216099
>>15224798
>>15227627
>ITT: Bandwagoning niggers who haven't started with the actual first game in the series
4139e3 No.15228330
>>15216099
Nier isn't the first game in the franchise though?
d43d3f No.15228396
>>15227627
>in drakengard 3 you play as a whore who fucks everything, even her dragon
Post webm
41fd25 No.15228497
Elder Scrolls
Mass effect
Dead space
Basically everything that comes from Western triple A.
371f2f No.15228529
>>15227627
>as in she has both a vagina and a massive cock and balls
That's not how a herm works. They wouldn't have a 'massive cock'. At best it would be a micro cock.
> and he implies she had an extremely loose vagina
Couldn't be the fact that before the flower showed up, she was a child slave and raped repeatedly
677c9a No.15228596
>>15228529
that's why i said the west slightly censored kaine, she is not meant to be a realistic hermaphrodite, she's explicitly refered as a "futanari" in the japanese script, the reason she's fucked in the head is because kids and adults mocked her for having both a vagina and a rather large penis
6cd286 No.15228639
>>15217092
>last pic
Is he wearing a skirt and having his dong hanging out?
eae5c1 No.15228675
I tried playing chaos theory before but never really bothered beating even the first level.
I want to give it a serious run here at some point, tips for gitting gud? I'll use KMB and I usually have trouble being quiet enough, despite crouch walking slowly.
9b3279 No.15228692
6cd286 No.15228699
>>15228235
>>15228194
>>15228189
>Three (1) post saying the same thing
Struck a nerve so hard you had to id hop so much? I’m sorry here have an upboat
ef1318 No.15228766
>>15228675
Stay in the shadows?
eae5c1 No.15228788
>>15228675
>muh shadows
Obviously. Like I said my problem was always sound. I'll go slowly but suddenly the terrain will make more sound without noticeably changing visually (at least to me), and so I get one or more guards crawling up my ass and can't ghost it.
1ae069 No.15228799
>>15228245
>>15228330
How can a vidya franchise turn to shit if the first game in it is shit?
70bf67 No.15229427
>>15228788
Terrain sound shouldn't ever be an issue if you're moving slowly enough though.
If you use keyboard + mouse, scrolling the mouse wheel up/down controls your speed. It took me forever to figure that one out. Before I knew that, I always just tapped the button causing Sam to silently jitter toward enemies.
eae5c1 No.15229500
>>15229427
I knew the mousewheel bit after a while but wanted to go faster than snail, maybe that is my problem. It does not help that my tenure in MGS Peace Walker involved headshotting every guard from a distance with a permanent silencer pistol. I'll give the game another go here soon.
0064c2 No.15229593
>>15229427
>It took me forever to figure that one out. Before I knew that, I always just tapped the button causing Sam to silently jitter toward enemies.
Goddamnit, I went though the whole game looking like Michael J. Fox.
41fd25 No.15229969
>>15218735
Games are LITERALLY designed to be watched on Twitch. Stealth looks bad.
41fd25 No.15230000
>>15224798
I play JRPGs for the J but I guess Square was told to make it more Burger.
c3ba0f No.15230009
>>15230000
Fuck you nigger for stealing my get
19612d No.15230028
>>15230009
That aint healthy.
665f6a No.15230035
>>15227627
Nier and Drakengard practically revolve around sexually dysfunctional characters that are as much a product of the fucked up worlds they inhabit as the cause. All of your secret "censored shit for the West" is readily available info in the games and in the novellas on the website. Anyone that's not a massive fucking casual knows all of what you said already and more.
You're a retard that can't capitalize his fucking sentences let alone begin to grasp a simple running theme in a weakly written series that's carried by good soundtracks and interesting settings.
This is why I dreaded Automata being received so well. It draws the attention of mouthbreathing normalfags.
3f91ba No.15230407
>>15228245
>>15228330
I wouldn't say that NieR is a part of the Drakengard franchise. As much as I would say that Persona isn't a part of the Shin Megami Tensei franchise and isn't it's own thing at this point, or that Mana Khemia is technically an Atelier game while having barely anything to do with the other Atelier games. The universe it related but just barely with a joke ending from Drakengard and Eve having watcher tattoos that are never properly explained.
55909b No.15230463
>>15222442
Have you seen the amount of hot bitches they cram into the newest games? Time-saving really
061aa9 No.15230549
>>15230035
Papa Nier is literally perfect, some might not like it, but this is what top papa looks like.
16af39 No.15230611
>>15227627
>in the jap version he looks gay and sells his young asspussy to older men in order to support yonah
This is incredibly realistic and actually refreshing. I'm tired of young boy protagonist with little sisters and no parents managing to get along in life, there's no employment that could do that other than prostitution.
>they made him a hunter/gatherer in the western version
Papa Nier is in both JP and NA and in both he only does hunter gathering thinks because oh look, a full grown man has higher earning potential than a 12 year old who'd a thunk it
>kaine is also a futanari/dickgirl in the original version, as in she has both a vagina and a massive cock and balls
The only full description we have of Kaine's cock comes from witches sabbath
>What she held in her hand was… a large, engorged male member… yet it was hers. Upon the swarthy organ there were littered many veins, which I could even clearly see throbbing.
The original Japanese puts forth that's she's a futa more plainly but neither specify balls, just a massive veiny throbbing cock in the side materials. The English does tone this down and try not to mention it as straightforwardly but it still does say she's a hermaphrodite and not a shemale.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact the Emil is canonically gay for brother Nier though.
a0af10 No.15230634
>>15230000
>Square was told to make it more Burger.
Square doesn't develop Drakengard/Nier. Cavia did (Cavia died in 2010 with staff having gone freelance or migrated to Marvelous and other companies), with Square acting as publisher out here. Though, that's not to say that Square couldn't have ordered them around, just that I doubt Square was told to do anything when they're the ones holding the funding.
Checked.
3f91ba No.15230643
>>15230634
Square Enix NA directly forced Yoko Taro to make adult Nier because they didn't believe young Nier would be popular in the West. They almost made Yoko Taro and company completely get rid off young Nier until Taro threatened that the only reason the majority of the staff was making this game was for young Nier.
http://www.please use archive.is/2010/03/26/the-tale-of-two-niers/
3f91ba No.15230647
32c520 No.15230656
>>15230634
It's directly stated that's what happened in Grimoire Nier during an interview with Yoko Taro.
“Replicant” was almost
Cancelled in the process!?
Yokoo: We somehow made it possible to release both “Replicant” and “Gestalt” at the same time, but there was a time when “Replicant” almost got called off.
Mr. T: Something like that did happen.
Yokoo: It took approximately 3 years for development, but during that time we were called to a meeting with America’s Square Enix to give a brief report on the game and its progress. Back then, we planned to release the two games earlier, so we were on a tight schedule. When we realized that during the meeting, those higher ups just reasoned “Can’t we just go with “Gestalt”? We could live with not releasing a special version in Japan, can’t we?” in english. (laughs)
-And what happened after that?
Yokoo: The producer Satou, who was sitting by my side, just sort of looked at me with a “…what do we do now?” face, and I just stuck to my opinion that I really didn’t want this. (laughs) If we can’t make “Replicant”, our development team’s motivation will go down like crazy, and as a result even “Gestalt” will be released later!? Are you okay with that!? Is what I threatened them with.
Mr. T: That was pretty selfish.
Yokoo: We planned to make a sibling story in the first place. Although back then “Replicant” was to be voiced in English, but there was some trouble with the voice actors.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vEP2iZ52P-DWhQBQ2Is6R8Wjao99AGi0YuWShTvA-tA/preview
b95e8f No.15230699
>>15227480
>unironically defending single player microtransactions
Even if you weren't, the series went downhill from Invisible War and went entirely to shit with Human Ghost in the Shell Revolution
3f6273 No.15230704
>>15216044
>>15216099
God of war more like God of Soy
81d25e No.15230738
>>15216044
>be the survival-horror game
>change the industry and effectively create a whole new genre built on mechanics and ideas from two other games
>spin offs suck but you have a decent run for quite a few games
>great looking characters and vibe that it was created by a bunch of jap guys making what they think America would be like
>does really unique things with notes and plot whilst making innovative use of its mechanics
RE4-
<experimental title made after the death of the original writer by a man bored to death of survival horror
<it's not a real RE game
>it's actually good and sets a new precedent for the industry for better or worse
<leads to the death of survival horror and the conversion of your favorite SH series to an action adventure game with QTEs
<every single game does this shit and worse some (see Bethesda Evil Within garbage) advertise themselves as SH games
-Rev2 and REmake announcement
>at long lost after all the fan demands on social media and multiple fan projects Capcom announces an official RE2 Remake
>"You did it!"
<E3 years later it's revealed to be Revelations 3 essentially
<"it's not actually a remake of the game, it's something totally new"
<<You did it!
I am never buying anything from Capcom ever again. They also killed Dead Rising and are in the process of destroying MonHun. Let alone the unethical behavior towards fans of all their other games. Fuck Capcom.
36093f No.15230757
>>15230738
It would have been ok if we got another revelations game, thats its own thing, but no, wanting a classic resident evil for a remake of 2 is being worse than hitler.
939e60 No.15230802
Better question would be, what are the GOOD remaining on-going franchises?
4139e3 No.15230983
>>15230407
But Persona is still a part of the SMT franchise despite it's divergences. The whole point of being in a franchise is that even spin-offs are still under the banner of the main franchise.
32c520 No.15230991
>>15230983
Persona was never marketed in Japan under the SMT banner/name at any point in time, that was a Western meme because marketers thought the white kids wouldn't play the games if it wasn't the exact same.
3f91ba No.15231025
>>15230983
For comparison, have the NA vs JP cover. Notice any differences? Going back to the original Persona it made no mention of SMT.
4139e3 No.15231040
>>15230991
>>15231025
I never said about marketting. They are contained within the SMT franchise because of parent company, design philosophy, and narrative decisions like SMT 1 and 2 directly referencing SMT if… which is a spin-off of the mainline games, as well as soul hackers another spinoff. So yeah, it's still an SMT game, it's just not a mainline entry. DDS is also an SMT spinoff but part of the larger franchise.
d7e229 No.15231053
>>15231040
Not to mention their shameless use of Kaneko's SMT demon designs to this day.
4139e3 No.15231056
>>15231040
I mean persona 1 & 2 reference SMT if…
3aefa8 No.15231057
>>15218425
i remember playing one of them on my new PC i got as a kid. i was so in awe of the shadows and textures.
3f91ba No.15231069
>>15231040
Your comparison proves you wrong. The original Devil Summoner was marked as a spin off to SMT in Japan (and never released in NA) and all Devil Summoner games after it (including Soul Hackers) can be considered spin offs to SMT as they were always marked as such. Persona never was at any point in Japan.
>DDS is also an SMT spinoff but part of the larger franchise.
Again, it is not. That was a western marketing only marking on Digital Devil Saga.
Now, if you want to argue that all of these games are a part of the Megami Tensei franchise as opposed to the Shin Megami Tensei franchise. You might actually have an argument.
ff179d No.15231078
>>15231025
the first Persona says Megami Ibunroku, or Strange Tale of the Goddess (as opposed to Megami Tensei which means Resurrection of the Goddess)
There is also the Majin Tensei, Resurrection of the Demon, series on SNES/SFC and Megami Tensei Gaiden (Last Bible series and Another Bible) for Gameboy and SNES/SFC
And they, along with Shin Megami Tensei, Devil Summoner, etc. are all part of the Megami Tensei series of series
the female MC of SMTif shows up in Persona 1 and 2. Don't even debate the canonicity of games connected to the Amala Network
4139e3 No.15231087
>>15231069
>Your comparison proves you wrong
You and the another anon are assuming I'm talking about a marketing label when I directly state that's not the case. I'm talking about a franchise as in a collection of games tied together by any number of factors including development company, themes, story, gameplay, etc.
SMT is the mainline titles of this franchise. DDS, Soul Hackers, Persona, devil survivor, Raidou, etc. are all spinoffs but contain enough thematic, mechanical, visual, etc elements to justify why they are still contained within the franchise. In the case of persona it's early entries directly reference and include characters from a mainline title bearing the SMT label so if you had any argument against that please present it. Basically putting it in the same place as Nier spawning from a single ending in Drakenguard, Persona came from a what-if scenario about SMT 1.
Again, this is not about marketing in the west. It's about understanding that spin-offs are still a part of a franchise. Nier is part of Drakenguard, this isn't a surprise to anyone except apparently people in this thread.
3f91ba No.15231100
>>15231087
Anon, Shin Megami Tensei is a spin off of Megami Tensei, not main branch. Though I will admit that for all intents and purposes it may as well be considering the last time a Megami Tensei game was released was 1995
3eedf4 No.15231107
>>15230802
Raiden… That's pretty much it.
4139e3 No.15231113
>>15231100
You're smart enough to understand what I'm saying anon. Whatever semantics are at play you understand what the greater MT or SMT franchise entails and why spin-offs are still contained within the franchise correct?
3f91ba No.15231127
>>15231113
You were trying to argue that all these games were spinoffs of SMT, which is blatantly false, the series that spawned all of them, MT, may be an apt comparison, but to compare one spin off to another spin off is disingenuous. Are you saying that compared to the original SMT games that Persona 5 is worse? Why are you comparing it to that, rather than the original Persona? It's the same as blaming Pokemon Dash for how shitty the newest mainline Pokemon games are.
d7e229 No.15231137
>>15231127
>Are you saying that compared to the original SMT games that Persona 5 is worse?
Well he wouldn't be wrong.
4139e3 No.15231144
>>15231127
>You were trying to argue that all these games were spinoffs of SMT
>>15231087
>You and the another anon are assuming I'm talking about a marketing label when I directly state that's not the case. I'm talking about a franchise as in a collection of games tied together by any number of factors including development company, themes, story, gameplay, etc.
Try again anon. I spelled it out in clear english. I only cite that Persona 1 does infact directly tie into SMT if… as one tie but also studio, theme, another anon cites demon design.
>Are you saying that compared to the original SMT games that Persona 5 is worse?
I mean it is?
> It's the same as blaming Pokemon Dash for how shitty the newest mainline Pokemon games are.
This is some new point you are making anon. I only am stating that much like Nier is part of the Drag on Dragoon/Drakenguard franchise. All the assorted spin offs for the SMT Franchise are still contained within that franchise and that the tie doesn't have to be direct narrative or mechanical connections. Although it's telling that Nier and Drakenguard are still hack-n-slash titles, and and All the spinoffs of the SMT/MT franchise are still RPGs.
Just, read what I type.
fb8205 No.15231145
>>15226362
>not owning a top tier 2006 gaming PC you built from ebay parts for cheap to play period games
It's like you are just another normalnigger.
3d2f57 No.15231148
>dead space 1 and 2, totally enjoyable games each strong on their own merits and brings a little something new to the table
>dead space 3 reveals and promo, snowy planet, everyone gets excited thinking it will take ques from The Thing
>it doesn't
>it goes so fucking horribly wrong
2ff7df No.15231173
>>15231148
>co-op confirmed
>all that talk about weird hallucination shit happening to one player and not the other
>isn't actualized in the release
5abfea No.15231206
>>15218735
What FM is that?
38b9d3 No.15231518
>>15216044
Love the soundtrack to this game. I also hate how badly the series declined after Double Agent (I still think it was a good game) but at the same time the series would have probably felt way too milked had they not destroyed it with the new direction. I'm positive that people would not have been kind to it in later years had it retained the same stealth gameplay with at times pretty dumb oblivious enemies.
The industry was going to always move away from hardcore stealth games regardless. SC had to be sacrificed. I also wouldn't be surprised if many people think that these games didn't age well. The games aren't as easy to pick up and play as the MGS games. They definitely have that feel of the 00s era of video games. The last decade games were ever great imo.
38b9d3 No.15231522
>>15231518
> I'm positive that people would not have been kind to it in later years had it retained the same stealth gameplay with at times pretty dumb oblivious enemies.
I meant critics here actually. Not the regular people who don't make money reviewing games.
2c3924 No.15231577
>>15216123
I just realized the only franchises I love that aren't ruined are dead.
2e9571 No.15231583
b70600 No.15231655
I finished the fight, but Microsoft had different plans for the franchise
e03475 No.15232188
>>15231655
I know /v/ hates them but the original Halo trilogy are legit some of my favorite games. Even replaying them years later I have a fucking blast with them.
I don't care if Bungie were the ones responsible for Reach, it shouldn't have ever been made, it was the beginning of the downfall.
5327ba No.15232210
>>15231577
This is why certain franchises just need to fade away instead of coming out with a new iteration every year. Corporate just takes over and runs everything into the ground and the real developers and writers are run into the ground with it and lose their creative spark.
1b47f5 No.15232398
>>15230991
Ha yeah there used to be a time when Shin megami tensei was the powerful brand.
5a61ee No.15232565
>>15226374
I played both "new" Deus Ex games(they are "lol evil rich people work together" tier of story) , And that one webm from the first game with npc's talking about conspiracies convinced me to play the first game
which I downloaded today , GoG-GOTY , anything mods I should get?
64d639 No.15232627
>>15231148
>DS1 - alien
>DS2 - aliens
>DS3 - alien 3
5a61ee No.15232633
>>15229500
If you walk with WASD you make 3times more sound ,the game was made for sneaking with a controller think about that
Walking forward and turning your mouse makes less noise with the speed staying stable,I played it last month on hard and got 98% , to give you some basic advice , Just watch the tutorial videos nigger ,all of them
You have the interface bars for sound and light , use the pistol to disable lights/cameras/laser-it's time limited ,you can grab people and question them-sometimes you can get door codes ,If you hold RMB for something like 10 seconds Sam will automatically put the dude on his shoulder so you can carry him
Often sticking to the wall (I think it was Q) gives you twice the stealth,usefull to sneak past some guard because of how they are placed ,Rubber bullets make enemies instantly unconscious only with headshots(it can be done at distance if you aim way up) , so sticky shocker is a safer bet ,ALT or something was for quick weapon switching .If you take the stealth equipment you get more shocker and rubber bullets , you won't use the rifle for anything else really .Hacking-You press space on the light up numbers to "lock" them , the ones that don't light up won't be part of the code , so sometimes you can guess by knowing what isn't used
5a61ee No.15232656
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>15232633
Also important(you get told this in the tutorial videos) , On the sound bard there is Your Noise and Environment Noise , so sometimes you can walk faster if there is noise around
And if you get angry for making random noise you will love this part
5a61ee No.15232677
>>15231148
The aliens were really easy ,seeing them move the snow
There is one part I hold dear about DS3 ,at the start when humans come at you from the high way ,I set the cutter to vertical and cut of both arms from the first human and then I was "Wait, these are humans" Switch to horizontal and cut off the others head ,I love "little things" like this
3c0830 No.15232685
>>15232565
While I do feel like the original is fine without mods, if you dont care about the OG expirience or absolutely never replay games get GMDX. Otherwise launcher/shader mods are fine.
8f2b0a No.15232778
fa56d3 No.15232803
>>15230643
Old Nier is better though
>>15232778
You take that back faggot, DS2 is fucking great
5327ba No.15232933
64d639 No.15232967
>>15232933
Revision is trash
5327ba No.15232978
>>15232967
Explain. I've played vanilla, I've played GMDX, and I've played Revision. Explain what makes Revision objectively bad.
64d639 No.15234154
>>15232978
GMDX's aim was to touch up DE while preserving the original feeling and principles.
Revision is made by incompetent people who do not understand DE, but made a mod for it because they heard other people saying its the "greatest game ever". Even the name " revision" fits, its a reimagining, a remix and frank a worse one.
But to the point - the biggest mistake is the level design, not only do they ruin the atmosphere and the art style of the original, but more imprtantly the gameplay changes to the "revisioned" maps are atrocious, break the flow of the game and in many instances are just pointless. This is a cardinal sin in a sandbox game. And the models look fucking terrible, paul looks like a fucking cartoon dracula.
5327ba No.15234358
>>15234154
I guess I played the different iterations too far apart to notice. The only thing I didn't like about revision was the soundtrack, but luckily you can turn that off.
38b9d3 No.15234772
>>15232188
What made the original trilogy great was the simplicity of the gameplay mechanics primarily. It also had fun stories that centered on the Chief's mission. The franchise got ruined when they decided to concentrate on background lore and characters that weren't fun. The original games were never about deeply exploring the background world of Halo. Just finishing the fight so to speak. Halo was always going to be milked so sequels were inevitable.
2db8f0 No.15234831
>>15216454
it annoys me how much bioshock changed from a spooky game under the sea to lol wtf big birds and sky people XD gun guns kablam XDD the ending confused me as well, it was pretty dumb
46cfd1 No.15234933
>>15234358
A guy called Mkaelus on Youtube made a 30 minute review about it, but he appeared to have deleted his channel. I found a backup, but the original does not appear to be in that back up.
8b9d2c No.15234962
>>15231173
Really? Wasn't that the entire fucking gimmick of the game?
I remember some mention that the dev only put in co-op because EA forced them to put in a multiplayer feature and they didn't want to repeat the Vs multiplayer of DS2, so going with co-op horror with individual player hallucinations sounded like an interesting alternative.