ece955 No.15168709
>Playing Doom for the first time
>Get stuck in a level
>Look up a walkthrough
>Realize you have to do this
How the fuck was I supposed to know that? Who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to make the main thing you need to complete the level a secret?
11654e No.15168727
>>15168709
Was the candle too subtle for you?
5a960d No.15168735
>>15168709
>he doesn't MMM every wall
492a85 No.15168742
>>15168709
this was the last episode, you should've known better at this point
8cca2d No.15168743
>When the OP is literally brain dead
18db34 No.15168753
>>15168729
More like it came out in a time when people didn't feel like they are entitled to beating the game because they're used to games holding their hands.
ed04b3 No.15168755
What kind of person doesn't dry hump every wall in an fps. It's like second nature at this point.
af4a68 No.15168759
Will this be the new "how were you supposed to know to use a power bomb?" thread?
268b34 No.15168761
>>15168709
>expecting literal Hell to not have the way forward obfuscated by secrets
you'll really hate Heretic if you get around to it; one of the later levels requires you to go through secret doors that you have to shoot to open
268b34 No.15168767
>>15168755
people who play FPS that don't have secrets. You know, CoD kiddies and post-2007-ers
b80146 No.15168816
>>15168767
Even call of duty has secrets, anon. OP is just a fag.
ece955 No.15168821
>>15168743
>>15168753
>>15168767
>>15168816
>You're a retard that plays CoD if you aren't able to find something that's literally hidden away from the player
0671d2 No.15168823
>>15168735
Isn't it more like a HMPF?
48b542 No.15168833
>>15168821
Right, now fuck off.
8cca2d No.15168835
a3e890 No.15168843
As much as I love Doom, yeah this kind of design is pretty bad, and stands out from otherwise fantastic level design. Still not enough to make me not fucking love Doom, though.
Anyone got the webm of Doom 64 having some similar bullshit? I don't have it on hand, thought I had saved it but I guess not.
ece955 No.15168845
>>15168735
>>15168755
Is this an actual strategy in Doom? If so, that's actual shit game design.
Should have stuck to Build engine games, atleast those games have level designers who know what the fuck they're doing.
0c2f08 No.15168855
>>15168821
Fuck off retard
f5f3e1 No.15168864
a3e890 No.15168867
>>15168860
Nice argument, retard.
b20e61 No.15168871
>>15168864
He did nothing wrong, he did everything correct.
cc425d No.15168881
>>15168709
Welcome to 1994 kiddo
925881 No.15168942
>>15168709
You check every wall in new rooms, dingus. I'm not saying it's a good idea for level design, but it's pretty obvious by either e1m1, e1m2, or e1m3. The last episode was actually the easiest one for me, episode 2 and 3 had some secrets I still have no fucking clue where they were.
1d2732 No.15168946
>>15168881
Doom camera out in 1993, retard. And even then: Marathon, an FPS game that actually came out in 1994 didn't suffer from any of the problems that Doom had.
925881 No.15168947
>>15168943
This is going to kill someone, anon.
50f612 No.15168948
>>15168709
>Playing Doom for the first time
>Get stuck in a level
>Press tab
>"Oh, I didn't go there yet"
>Complete the level
>Continue playing the game because it's fun
Next time at least learn the basics of the game.
a039ee No.15168951
>>15168709
>Windows 10
>Soundless webm
>Save file is called "WhatTheFuck"
>Makes thread to complain
>Brainlet who can't see obvious door
>Using Chocolate Doom instead of emulating MS-DOS
>Probably posted this on Reddit, 4chan, Voat, etc
>Eagerly waiting for replies to tell him he's not stupid (Even though he actually is)
>/v/ is a personal blog
1d2732 No.15168957
>>15168943
What the fuck is the point of having sound in that webm? What would it contribute?
6c608f No.15168963
>>15168947
I support euthanasia
63c827 No.15168965
I remember my dad playing Wolfenstein 3D by spamming the interact button on every wall.
0c2f08 No.15168989
>>15168947
>epilepsy
>fatal
d725b3 No.15168998
>>15168709
The webm makes it look dumb, but isn't the room a dead end? That should honestly be a much bigger clue than the random candle. Dead end = secret, is one of the first things you should learn when it comes to videogames.
3938fd No.15169000
>>15168709
Yeah Doom is pretty complex but their are many great tutorials to learn from.
50f612 No.15169010
>>15168965
I remember when morons who played Doom didn't notice that the game literally tells you where secret rooms are in the fucking automap. Yes there is a flag to prevent them from appearing until after you find them, but I'm pretty sure none of the vanilla levels use it.
>>15168729
It's full of bad level design choices, yes, but it also has many good levels. The thing OP is complaining about is hardly an issue and it's definitely one of the least egregious sins ever committed by the level designers.
fd8a00 No.15169014
Faggot. There is a doom thread up, use the catalog. Nobody cares about your shit opinions.
1d2732 No.15169018
>>15168951
>>Windows 10
And? Gaming on Linux is shit.
>>Soundless webm
There is no point in having sound.
>>Save file is called "WhatTheFuck"
And?
>>Brainlet who can't see obvious door
Because a misaligned texture sure is an obvious door.
>>Using Chocolate Doom instead of emulating MS-DOS
Why would you put more effort to get a worse expierence?
8cca2d No.15169024
>>15169018
Great job outing yourself as a literal retard, you stupid baboon.
50f612 No.15169029
>>15169018
Gaming on Windows 10 is arguably worse than on Linux, both in terms of compatibility and performance. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. If you were serious about it you'd have another machine airgapped from your network with Windows XP or earlier installed on it for playing old games anyway.
1d2732 No.15169046
>>15169029
I can get compatibility, but can you give me a source on the claim about performance?
cb2196 No.15169074
>>15169018
>can't see a misaligned texture
jesus christ anon your intelligence is antimatter
d725b3 No.15169077
>>15169018
>Misaligned texture in the shape of a door
>With a candle in front of it
>In a dead end
Are you going to complain about no waypoint markers too?
50f612 No.15169083
>>15169046
I mean, that entire "Game Mode" being completely fucking useless and doing exactly the opposite of advertised should give you pause for concern. A reminder that your OS is a spaghetti code shitfest maintained by Indians that nobody actually wants to touch because it's a nightmare of malpractices from software development circa 20 years ago.
At least use Win 7 until it stops being supported if you want to play games and are lazy.
e03851 No.15169085
>>15168709
Welcome to Sandy Petersen level design.
He's the reason why Doom 2 maps are pure garbage compared to Doom 1.
His level design workflow in Doom 1 later levels and Doom 2 is basically this:
>big open area
>buildings with puzzles inside
>finish puzzle in building A, go to building B
>stupid level exit
50f612 No.15169098
>>15169085
You left out:
>hahahaha wow guys look at this COOL GIMMICK i found in Carmack and Romeros game engine isn't that cool as fuck? hope you enjoyed my level
>i put all three color locks in front of the exit just to show how much of a dickhead i am even though the level is like 3 rooms in total and they aren't even large
1d2732 No.15169100
>>15169074
>>15169077
I didn't notice it because every other level had a self explanatory path.
e73ac0 No.15169109
>>15168709
Are you a fucking nigger? Or do you just not spam the action key on every wall available. Fucking pathetic. Get out right now you sniveling worm or bow down before your superiors. It is pretty dumb honestly but spamming action key on walls is what doom is about
also the candle is there on floor, that's your clue. Deus ex did something similar to this when you go the cathedral, I saw the different texture and a candle on the wall and instantly knew I had to use it
git gud
82b29f No.15169115
>>15168821
Yeah how was I supposed to know what to do without a quest marker guiding me and doing all the thinking for me?
It's horrifying how braindead millenials are. They are always asking people how to do basic things that they would have figured out if they just thought about it for a few seconds. Having to think for themselves is absolutely terrifying to them.
6c608f No.15169117
>>15169100
anon as >>15168948 already pointed out, if you press Tab the map pops up and ALL doors in a room are highlighted. That means even secret doors are highlighted
162956 No.15169119
>>15168957
You must leave now.
2519e9 No.15169135
My 8 year old sister beat both the first and second Doom. What's your excuse, OP?
594703 No.15169137
That one's not that bad. At least not compared to that switch in one of the final Doom II levels which needs to be activated by being shot at instead of just being regularly interacted with like every other fucking button in Doom.
82b29f No.15169142
>OP playing Dark Souls
>Walks down long hallway
>Dead end with no enemies, traps, items, etc
>There is a frame around the wall similar to a door
>Instead of wondering why this is here he just walks away
>Looks up walkthrough and then screeches autistically about how this is "bad game design" in a pitiful attempt to mask what a complete retard he is
82b29f No.15169147
>>15169098
>i put all three color locks in front of the exit just to show how much of a dickhead i am
Or to allow for for more non-linear gameplay.
6bde5f No.15169167
Holy shit it's worse than I thought. You're actually genuinely retarded
>>15169018
>the only option besides windows 10 is linux
>not dual booting so you can have an actually decent operating system when you shitpost and leave windows for games only
>while playing fucking doom of all things which might as well be a step of installing linux
>he doesn't know that misaligned textures and sprites have been used as hints in countless games
>implying dos is worse than chocolate doom when chocolate doom replicates it as close as possible
>>15168946
>Doom camera out
>he's using fucking autocorrect
>>15168821
>hidden away from the player
>what is a fucking secret
>>15168957
Here's a board more suitable to your points of view: http://www.4chan.org/v/
>>15169046
It really depends on the game, bad ports can run like shit but games that are ported well often do because linux doesn't have all the retarded bloat and spaghetti code windows does.
c50b7f No.15169169
8cca2d No.15169176
c50b7f No.15169183
>>15169142
>a door like frame in an empty wall = illusory wall in a random ass spot to complete the level
Who invited all these Rick & Morty fans here?
760023 No.15169184
>>15169147
Non-linear between the exit door and the exit switch?
c50b7f No.15169185
77828c No.15169199
>>15169184
Who is that slut?
c50b7f No.15169202
>>15169109
>or do you just not spam the action key on every wall available
>>>>>>>>>fucking pathetic
oh the ironing
>git gud
So getting good includes spamming action key on every wall hoping it does what you want?
82b29f No.15169207
>>15169184
Non-linear in that, if designed properly, you can collect the keys in any order.
760023 No.15169208
>>15169199
I warn you now anon, this search will not be worth it
760023 No.15169211
>>15169207
He's talking about a level with 3 rooms that has all 3 keycards sitting right in front of the exit switch. That's a bad level with the designer taunting you with the fact that he COULD have used the keycards, but he didn't because fuck you
c50b7f No.15169221
>>15168833
>>15168835
>>15168855
Bet he couldn't find the tornado in Samons quest either. God, what a retard.
edit: thanks for the gold fellow 8gag user!
77828c No.15169226
>>15169208
As long as it isnt a trap im ok, now please give me that sauce anon.
66b3b5 No.15169229
>>15168845
It was true at least as far as Golden Eye on the Nintendo 64. But god OP, don't play DOOM 2, it only gets worse.
8cca2d No.15169232
3405fa No.15169233
c50b7f No.15169243
>>15169232
>t. assmad incel
8cca2d No.15169250
3405fa No.15169253
>>15169239
for future reference, yandex is probably the best way to search for sauce.
e73ac0 No.15169273
>>15169183
Dark souls 1 had that one wall with the bonfire behind it just before those big and totally not easy to kill golem guys.
>>15169202
Can you seriously not deduce that half the post was fucking sarcasm? And yes, when it comes down to these games that is how you git gud. There isn't exactly much skill needed in a doom game anyway.
PRESS TAB, LOOK AT THE MAP, THE TEXTURES ARE DIFFERENT
>oh the ironing
dunno if that was on purpose or not but I chuckled more than I should have
1d2732 No.15169284
>>15169167
>>not dual booting so you can have an actually decent operating system when you shitpost and leave windows for games only
I already do that you dumb fuck.
>>he doesn't know that misaligned textures and sprites have been used as hints in countless games
Like?
>>implying dos is worse than chocolate doom when chocolate doom replicates it as close as possible
Chocolate Doom is the same thing, except you don't need novert to properly play the game, it scales properly to higher resolutions and is overall a better version all together.
c50b7f No.15169297
>>15169273
>Dark souls 1 had that one wall with the bonfire behind it just before those big and totally not easy to kill golem guys
Dark Souls is rewarding exploration through that, this doesn't reward you like any other secret door would've, it let's you finish the last three seconds of a level you virtually completed anyway.
>and yes, when it comes down to these games that is how you git gud
So OPs point still stands, its shit game design. and it was.
8890b6 No.15169303
>>15168729
The level design was excellent, Adrian Carmack autisted every level a hundred times with perfect recall.
Millenial faggots shouldn't play games that aren't 2018 on the rail hand-holding faggotrons.
96e431 No.15169309
e73ac0 No.15169316
>>15169297
yeah I mean it wasn't the greatest idea but if you used your eyes and the ability to look at the map maybe you'd find where you needed to go.
13e995 No.15169321
>>15168709
That's doom, hump the wall until something opens.
6e4ef8 No.15169322
8890b6 No.15169323
>>15169272
It wasn't ever supposed to be difficult.
It was supposed to be fun and thrilling, and it was.
Played since pong, and you are a windbag. The ultra difficult games had artifically raised difficulty because otherwise they could be finished in an hour or two.
Doom had 30 hand crafted levels that were actually interesting, and gameplay.
Bet you LOVE back to the future 3 on the megadrive.
8890b6 No.15169326
>>15169321
You're thinking of wolfenstein.
Doom's hidden stuff was obvious if you knew what to look for.
8890b6 No.15169338
>>15169325
People keep changing this every five minutes. Millenial is a millenium baby, born from 2000 onwards.
Leave it as that, instead of faggots arguing over which decade makes someone near enough to the turn of the millenium.
Might as well be every one since 1900 then, since that's the last century of this millenium.
As for boomer, that one keeps being thrown around for anyone older than 20.
Baby boom came after ww2. Kill thyself.
1d2732 No.15169341
>>15169303
Only the first episode had decent level design. Games like duke3d, Shadow Warrior and Blood blow Doom out of the water in terms of level design.
8b50ef No.15169348
oh no, you had to do something other than follow the path. man, the game is total shit now. doom is the worst fps i've ever played
8890b6 No.15169353
>>15169341
Metropolis had shit special effects.
Films like star wars and moulin rouge blow it out of the water.
>continues surfing pitchfork media for another 18 hours
1d2732 No.15169380
8890b6 No.15169390
>>15169363
It's a fact. Are you mentally handicapped, or a nintendo addict. Bet the word "megadrive" triggered you too. Pathetic.
Arcades and most low quality old games just reduced number of lives or threw constant enemies etc to force the player to replay the same featureless shit endlessly. It was boring then, it is boring now. There was no content. Who remember the beautiful and amazingly captivating scenic views from mario? No one?
Remember that dull brown flat plane seen side on, and the blob of red and blue.
Amazing, breathtaking, award winning design.
You didn't play Mario when it first came out, you didn't play doom when it first came out. You are a fake.
383d11 No.15169402
>tfw no one remembers when playing a game for fun and exploring levels out of enjoyment and interest, not only in an attempt to reach the end was a thing
8890b6 No.15169404
>>15169380
>starts spitting as speech impediment goes into overdrive
sthwaman! wogical fawacy!!!! ad hominem!!!!! moving the goalposththhth!!!!!!
8890b6 No.15169408
>>15169402
You can only like things either ironically or to prove whichever kind of professional game historian nowadays.
Sick of seeing doom threads, often called "classic doom", and usually by the same people who think blade runner was made in the last couple of years.
1d2732 No.15169423
095dfb No.15169425
Sandy Petersen is a hack.
It is known.
8890b6 No.15169492
>>15169463
Content isn't quantity.
You started by comparing mario, a boring clone level patchwork of a game with zero aesthetics and zero content, with doom, different genre, different intent, different player base.
You are just a retro gamer, you must spend your time reading other people's retro opinions on other retro games. Talk about the games you've played new, like all the walking simulators that have come out in the last five years.
You don't find doom fun, yet others do. Haven't you wondered why that is.
898392 No.15169499
Christ this thread and it's posters are so shit. Are we being raided with anti-shills or something?
877a38 No.15169517
IIRC this level had a computer map item that wasn't hidden so you could see this teleporter even if you don't notice the hints such as the candle on the floor and the texture difference on the wall.
>>15169341
This meme needs to die asap
>>15169085
This too
8890b6 No.15169545
>>15169517
That's what happens when listless pretentious faggots are born 2 decades after a game has been made, then become pretentious faggot teens and try to act knowledgable by repeating whatever their favourite youtuber has told them to think.
Historical revisionism because there are no new opinions worth having.
5a90d1 No.15169578
>>15169517
But Sandy Petersen levels are really shit.
I don't see people ever justifying levels like The Chasm, Nirvana, Barrels o' Fun, Downtown, The Spirit World, The Pit… The list goes on and on.
Romero was the one making good levels, you only need to compare E1M1 and MAP01.
Hell, even 20 years later, Tech Gone Bad is miles ahead of the original E1M8.
8890b6 No.15169581
>>15169538
>doom lvl dizyne iz shit
>lol doomerz r shit n onli play it 1nc lol
>doom iz wat made all games after shit n lazy bcoz it shit n lazy, sheet
"I never thed anything about my pwefensis wigarding dwoom!!!! don't put wordthhh in my mouthhhth"
"I've beaten more doom wadth than you!!"
Infantile.
Doom was doom, it was an improvement on Wolfenstein by many factors. That's it. There is no such thing as a DOS game, it is absolutely meaningless.
As for the stack of pointless brainless shit that sprang out after quake 1, which is when fps really took over, that is nothing for do with doom. You sound like you have a mental illness since you follow no logical path. Probably why you became stuck in a doom level.
1d2732 No.15169591
>>15169517
Duke3d being better than Doom isn't a meme, though: Its an objective fact.
8890b6 No.15169592
>>15169578
Did you ever develop an opinion spontaneously, or do you depend entirely on being forcefed them by blogs and youtube videos.
8890b6 No.15169599
>>15169589
Called it here >>15169404
Fucking redditors
8890b6 No.15169604
>>15169591
Call of Duty 10: combat devolved being better than ET isn't a meme though, it's a fact.
1d2732 No.15169608
>>15169592
Despite the fact that jewtubers almost never criticize Sandy Petersen?
1d2732 No.15169620
>>15169604
What point are you even trying to make?
8890b6 No.15169621
8890b6 No.15169624
>>15169620
That is exactly the point.
6bde5f No.15169626
>>15169284
>never mentioned doing it
>i'm a dumb fuck for not magically knowing already that you do it
>Like?
Off the top of my head Metroid 1, (weird or out of place sprites, not necessarily misalinged but look wrong and unintentional at first) zelda ii, (same) rise of the triad, (i think it had these odd marks or something) and quake. (made by the same people as doom though) They're not really good examples but it's hard to think of a game that has such a specific minor feature.
>Chocolate Doom is the same thing
exactly
>except you don't need novert to properly play the game
Who says that's proper in the first place?
>it scales properly to higher resolutions
so does dosbox
8890b6 No.15169645
>>15169611
and yet I'm right.
877a38 No.15169646
>>15169591
I wasn't referring to that, I was referring to "only episode 1 of Doom is good".
Episode 2 was good with the exception of E2M9 which was a joke (made even funnier that Sandy Petersen said it was his best work), it's just a level with three rooms.
Episode 3 wasn't very memorable but mostly because it was the least played of the original three episodes Doom came with, only Cathedral of Pain was mildly annoying with its teleporters but the rest of the levels weren't so bad.
Episode 4 was meant for seasoned players that wanted an extra challenge. It suffered from the same issues that episodes 3&4 of Heretic had where the first couple levels had very steep difficulty but the rest of it was ok since you've acquired most of the guns at that point.
82867c No.15169691
>>15168709
>He doesn't just walk along every wall in every room at an angle spamming the activate button.
8890b6 No.15169699
>>15169691
It's called a space bar you fucking millenial cunt.
877a38 No.15169700
>>15169578
I don't dispute the fact that Sandy really made some shit levels, but not all Sandy's levels were bad in retrospect and I've seen many people infer that Doom 2 is an awful game because of that and I don't understand why this opinion is being repeated so much lately on retro FPS/Doom threads. Yes, Romero's version of E1M8 is vastly superior to Sandy's E1M8. Not only the boss fight itself is superior (you have less free space to maneuver and there are lots more enemies supporting the Barons), but also the fact that you have to "earn" the boss fight. I don't understand why Sandy thought that a boss level only had to have a boss room in it.
6d6d08 No.15169704
>>15168709
>tfw jumping enabled
>tfw just ran and jumped into the obvious red box from another angle
At some point in that level that red square is too obviously an exit.
1d2732 No.15169709
>>15169626
>>i'm a dumb fuck for not magically knowing already that you do it
Yes you are indeed, dont assume things about someone without knowing the bigger picture.
>Off the top of my head Metroid 1, (weird or out of place sprites, not necessarily misalinged but look wrong and unintentional at first) zelda ii, (same) rise of the triad, (i think it had these odd marks or something) and quake. (made by the same people as doom though) They're not really good examples but it's hard to think of a game that has such a specific minor feature.
The thing is: In those games the path is still obvious, unlike here.
>>except you don't need novert to properly play the game
>Who says that's proper in the first place?
Me
6d696a No.15169736
82867c No.15169741
>>15169699
>Not every classic shooter used space bar for activate function
>Most of them allowed keyboard remapping
>You just outed yourself as a fucking retard if you didn't remap to your own comfort/standard, since the industry didn't really have one at the time.
Try harder
1d2732 No.15169748
>>15169578
>The Chasm, Nirvana, Barrels o' Fun, Downtown, The Spirit World, The Pit
But those weren't even bad. The Citadel is by far the worst level in the game.
1d2732 No.15169784
>>15169621
Except that's a forum post, not a YouTube video or blogpost like you mentioned.
30bebc No.15169792
>>15168998
Not only is it a dead end, but the door you used to enter closes behind you and doesn't open from the inside. You're locked in there, so you have to look around for a way out.
80eb32 No.15169811
>>15168709
>>15168821
>>15168845
>>15169169
>>15169100
>>15169018
>being so butt fucking nigger level stupid you can't use the map that highlights hidden areas
>being so fucking young you never played an FPS that had you wall hugging to find secrets until CY+4
6c608f No.15169815
>>15169741
>outing yourself for not really having a 90' keyboard
I found the default quite comfortable because keyboards in the 90's had a bit different layout. There was no Windows or Menu key and the Right Ctr, alt ,shift &space where right next to each other and that was all right next to the arrow keys. So instead of wasd it was more like resting your index and pointer on the arrow keys and your pinky and ring finger for alt/ctr/enter/space. All you would need to do is make the left mouse move forward and you could use the arrow keys or alt to strafe. Comfy as fuck
>>15169811 (checked)
5db20f No.15169862
>>15169325
>Old enough to remember social justice faggotry completely taking-over?
You're a Homelander/Gen Z faggot.
>Old enough to remember 9/11?
You're a Millennial.
>Old enough to remember the moon landing?
You're Gen X.
>Old enough to remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
You're a Boomer.
>Old enough to remember the Stock Market Crash?
You're a Silent Gen nigger.
>Old enough to remember the start of WWI?
You're a Greatest Gen nigger.
>Old enough to remember the end of the American Frontier?
You're a Lost nigger.
5a90d1 No.15169872
>>15169592
>>15169700
After playing Doom 2 over and over again, I can say that it's way worse than Doom 1. The design in Doom 1 had at least some kind of sense, the first episode was clearly a military complex, the second episode was a corrupted military complex, and the third episode was clearly hell. However, in Doom 2, the first levels are a military base of sorts, and then everything goes to shit after MAP07, which is an excellent boss level. What the fuck is "Tricks and Traps" even supposed to be? Did you die after MAP07? Are you in hell again? That fucking map stands out like a sore thumb, it's a gimmick demo instead of a good level. And then, The Pit, which is a clusterfuck of elevators and demons in corridors confirming that yes, you're in hell again.
Then, nothing remarkable until the Circle of Destruction which is also a good boss level, and then everything turns fucking brown, like someone smeared shit all over the screen. I could swear that I learned to speedrun those levels only to save me the hassle of having to play them. Painting an arrow on the ground telling you where do you need to go is immensely retarded. Nothing remarkable until Gotcha! which is also a gimmick, and then two levels more until "Barrels o' Fun". What the fuck is "Barrels o' Fun"? How in the hell this level fits with anything? And after that, I hope you enjoy moving slowly over really small ledges dodging enemy fire. Then, everything after that is unremarkable until The Icon of Sin, which is also a gimmick.
>>15169748
That level is obtuse as fuck, but I don't remember it being the worst one. At least it wasn't brown.
e47383 No.15169889
Doom is shit and the entire FPS genre is shit
1d2732 No.15169895
>>15169872
>That level is obtuse as fuck, but I don't remember it being the worst one. At least it wasn't brown.
Play it again, it's beyond awful. It's not just the worst Doom 2 level, it's the worst level in the entire franchise.
feb221 No.15169899
Ah, man, I remember that room. I was stuck there for a whole 2 minutes before I noticed the misaligned texture behind a candle.
6bde5f No.15169919
>>15169709
>dont assume things about someone without knowing the bigger picture.
That's exactly what I just said I didn't do
>The thing is: In those games the path is still obvious, unlike here.
No they aren't, they're mainly secret areas
>Me
Are you just pretending to be retarded or what?
feb221 No.15169925
>>15169284
>Like?
Literally every fucking metroidvania you stupid cunt.
82b29f No.15169933
>They lock you in the room
>They give you a free computer area map
>You can see hidden areas on the map
>The misaligned texture and candle stick out like a sore thumb
They retard proofed it and yet you still failed. You are an honorary nigger, congratulations.
82b29f No.15169947
millenials were a mistake.
6c608f No.15169951
>>15169897
>boomer can't into terveisin meme
why are you calling yourself Bob Chipman?
1d2732 No.15169976
Tbh i would have figured it out but I'm a lazy faggot with adhd
This thread was a poor bait attempt, I regret making it.
cb2196 No.15169982
>>15169976
here we go again with the i was merely pretending to be retarded excuse, you are still below average on the smart levels
80eb32 No.15170008
>>15169976
>i was le rusing u XD
>admits to being a faggot with made up attention ailment
You can't even b8 right, nigger brain.
1d2732 No.15170016
80eb32 No.15170024
>>15170016
You won't bullied if you go back where you came from >>>/cuckchan/
And while we're at it: Mark is a nigger faggot kike who deletes threads that would generate some decent discussion, but leaves ones like this up.
e47383 No.15170033
>>15170024
Anon quit being such an autistic faggot
80eb32 No.15170038
>>15170032
>This thread did generate decent discussion, nigger millenials couldn't handle the arguments.
wow what a great thread
>>15170033 (checked)
Go back to whinging about how chads who played Doom raped your childhood bob.
1f34b1 No.15170059
And this is how the internet ruined video games.
1d2732 No.15170064
>>15170059
that doesn't sound so good
1f34b1 No.15170078
>>15170064
In the old days you had to actually talk to people irl about games. Only a handful of us played them and we exchanged ideas and theories on how to finish them. When somebody did get through a hard level they kept the secret so that we could all enjoy beating it.
These days it goes like this: Gaem too hard for babby? Just look it on the (((Jewtube))) where some (((Let's Player))) plays the gaem for babby becuz babby iz too feeble to persist at a simple task for more than 15 minutes.
Sad.
1f34b1 No.15170107
Also
>Doom
Rise of the Tirad and Wolfenstein were better
8890b6 No.15170114
>>15169741
Newfag doesn't know what greentext is for. Embarrassing. Keep trying to fit in.
>>15169815
No point explaining, he wasn't alive pre-2005 and none of that is relevant to him.
Just another retro faggot crybaby projecting modern ideas and trying to force them into the past. I USED A LASER MOUSE WHEN DOOM CAME OUT!!!!!!! WITH MY LCD MONITOR
8890b6 No.15170125
>>15169872
Yeah you sound just like the place you read that opinion from after playing five minutes of doom 2 for the first time in your life in 2018.
Boring.
8890b6 No.15170128
caf3d3 No.15170135
>>15168957
What the fuck is wrong with you?
e8c374 No.15170137
>not playing GZDoom
fuck of grandpa
4cc2ea No.15170149
What the fuck /v/! I tried this supposedly unbeatable level and found this!
d75af9 No.15170171
>>15168957
Alternate question, what's the point of NOT having sound in the webm
5a90d1 No.15170211
>>15170125
Ad hominems aren't arguments. Do you have anything to say about Petersen levels? Because we had 20+ years to discuss them, and the conclusion seems to be that they are shit.
1d2732 No.15170765
>>15170107
>Wolfenstein
>good
dcf3ba No.15170783
>>15170149
You found the complete inability to take a screenshot like an evolved human being?
331614 No.15171107
>>15169976
>Lazy faggot with adhd.
HOLY SHIT ROTTENHUMAN IS THAT YOU? HAHA
66b3b5 No.15171112
>>15170175
>(12)
You tell me anon.
9c4b74 No.15171119
>>15168824
Duke humps Wall as well
0761bf No.15171163
>>15168709
It's sort of hidden yeah. I don't remember running into this problem because I have an autistic drive to look for any seam in the walls that look a bit different from the textures around them. I've also dry humped the walls in every level because I realized that's what Doom's secrets were mostly hidden behind.
b4a352 No.15171188
e3c0bb No.15171234
>>15168946
>Marathon that has 4D fuckery and alien locations with low gravity
>not labyrinthine
42d159 No.15171240
>there are people playing Doom instead of Blake Stone
I want summer to end.
95a3b3 No.15171245
>>15171131
This and brainlet are the best memes in the last few years
4b6f16 No.15171250
>We have a thread like this every month because some faggots couldn't find map short cuts so they blame it on the developers
1f34b1 No.15171281
>>15170765
In my defense, this is back before Wolfenstein became Wolfensteinberg. It was pretty lit in the 1990's
1d2732 No.15171287
>>15171234
What are you talking about? Marathon's levels were quite easy to traverse through unless you had the attention span of a goldfish.
1d2732 No.15171289
>>15171281
Wolf3d is simply not fun to play these days when better 90s FPS games exist.
8e5011 No.15171292
>>15171131
>>15171135
dump the rest of these
1f34b1 No.15171295
1d2732 No.15171300
>>15171295
It was fun, but I wouldn't call it amazing.
24418a No.15171319
>>15169338
Millenials are born from the early 80s to the mid 90s. They are the typical le ebin 90s childhood!!11 xD xD fags. Everyone born after 2000 would already be a GenZ.
11852f No.15171340
There's nothing more pathetic than a neckbeard 40 year old virgin defending an ancient shitgame due to nostalgia brain rot on /v/.
8890b6 No.15171346
>>15170175
>>15170145
>>15170032
>>15169611
>>15169589
>>15169538
>>15169463
>>15169367
>>15169363
>>15169325
>>15169272
>>15168729
samefag is butthurt
from beginning to end
11852f No.15171353
>clicking on every wall in the game is good game design
Doomtards are really retarded beyond down syndrome, hm?
8890b6 No.15171354
>>15171319
millenial are born in 1951, because that's when they started describing positive things as "the millenium", and it is nearer to 2000 than it is to 1900.
people who turned 23 in 1944 are Gen X.
11852f No.15171357
>>15171346
>(22)
>so butthurt about his shitgame being criticized that he'll write idiotic posts until bumplock
No wonder you have no friends and sex life.
8890b6 No.15171375
>>15170211
and yet, it is true.
All of you experts first played the game when someone told you to, and you watched several videos and read several articles on it before you touched the game.
"Ah yes"
>strokes chin
"A Peterson level, how distasteful"
>deflates chair
<man in the middle attack, moving the goalposts, strawman, logical fallacy, ad hominem, and other buzzwords someone told me to use because I can't develop my own retort and feel very vulnerable
8890b6 No.15171385
>>15171340
>>15171353
>>15171357
op resurfaces after becoming stuck on the next level
Tell me, what is it like to write Starwars scripts while wearing a vibrating buttplug.
1608f5 No.15171404
>>15169492
>You started by comparing mario, a boring clone level patchwork of a game with zero aesthetics and zero content, with doom, different genre, different intent, different player base
Their comparison was to gameplay length and what it offers when you can replay it in short bursts rather than trying say one is superior to the other, I don't think it was a contest between a 1985 game and something that came out almost a full decade later
062635 No.15171418
I love doom1/2 but holy shit why do so many wads hide secrets in fucking stupid places? I'm not going to spend an hour pressing spacebar against every wall listening to doom guy's constipated grunts.
11852f No.15171425
>>15171385
>everyone whos not retarded as me is ip-hopping
lol virgin loser
b4a352 No.15171431
>>15171340
While i do understand rosy-tinted glasses do distort the actual quality of a old game, i still enjoy Doom quite alot.
24418a No.15171435
>>15171354
t. 20 year old boomer
b4a352 No.15171437
>pressing spacebar against every wall listening to doom guy's constipated grunts.
I laughed too hard at that one…
1d2732 No.15171558
>>15171353
>Having the Use key mapped to mouse 1 or 2
Why would you do that?
1d2732 No.15171637
>>15171612
NuDoom was putrid garbage, though.
2db8dd No.15171641
>>15171483
>www.free-smiley.de
adb2da No.15171643
>>15168759
People who whine about it are fucking retarded. It shows you power bomb the tube in the longplay.
0671d2 No.15171656
>>15171245
>>15171131
I don't get memes anymore
285eda No.15171866
>>15171637
how can you say that glory kills were so epic lol how can you be such a fag what you hate violence or something
a0b366 No.15171952
>>15171656
Art represents the time it was made in. We are entering the Kali Yuga soon so memes are going to get really weird since memes are imprints from all the planes of existence into ours.
5c35c2 No.15172019
>>15171641
Have fun paying for your smileys you fucking retard.
e3c0bb No.15172165
>>15171287
Marathon Infinity, in particular, has some really intricate level-design, it's vastly more complex and borderline Escherian compared to your average vanilla Doom 1 or 2 map. Granted, they're not that hard to navigate because the game is more objective based than Doom and as a result, you are more guided. Anyway, my point was that I found it strange that he'd say Marathon didn't suffer from any the problems Doom did in terms of level design. They're arguably more complex, nothing like Plutonia mind you, Marathon maps can be quite labyrinthine.
93ea46 No.15172359
>>15168843
Doom 64 was literally the easiest olde doom if you don't count chex quest… The only part I can think of that you might be referring to would be one of the secret exits, but even then there was literally an arrow on the ground pointing to it.
1d2732 No.15172373
>>15172165
I was that guy, Marathon's level design indeed didn't suffer from the same flaws. Any non-retard can navigate Marathon's levels properly.
1d2732 No.15172383
>>15172359
>Anyone got the webm of Doom 64 having some similar bullshit?
Here.
82b29f No.15172410
>>15172383
What is the problem exactly?
1d2732 No.15172440
>>15172410
The fact that this one switch is shootable unlike every other switch in the game?
2feb04 No.15172453
>>15169976
>>15171277
>i was only pretending to be retarded guys
>keeps being retarded
93ea46 No.15172454
>>15172440
Plenty of them are, it's your own fault for missing Outpost Omega
d2f95f No.15172492
>>15170175
>>15171346
all me
e3c0bb No.15172500
>>15172373
So your problem is literally that a misaligned texture was a door? Isn't that mechanic introduced in E1M1? Obviously not to progress but I recall that being done more than once in vanilla Doom maps, especially Doom 2 maps. Honestly, I fail to see the problem considering those textures are overtly obvious, with high enough gamma or contrast making their jut out even further, not mention that playing a Source Ports at higher resolutions also makes them more distinguished. It's a somewhat common FPS convention of its time. Hell, System Shock 1 does this shit in nearly every sector.
>>15172440
That's recurring mechanic in Doom 64 though.
ea48d0 No.15172507
>>15172500
Is that Luffy with tits?
e3c0bb No.15172512
82b29f No.15172538
>>15172440
Your interaction with things is either pressing use key or shooting. If one doesn't work then why wouldn't you experiment and use the other? I beat DOOM 64 when I was like 6 years old, goddamn millenials are fucking retarded. Do you really need someone to hold your hand through every second of gameplay and tell you EXACTLY what to do at all times? Does thinking and basic problem solving really hurt your head that much? Are you non-White or non-Asian? It would make the stupid shit you're posting make more sense.
1d2732 No.15172577
>>15172454
>>15172500
>>15172538
>The switches were actually shootable
Why the fuck wasn't that mentioned in the manual?
97dfa1 No.15172581
>>15171952
Are you retarded?
We were in Kali Yuga whole time..
d2f95f No.15172582
>>15172577
If all else fails, use gun
1d2732 No.15172593
>>15172582
Still, why not just mention it in the manual?
d2f95f No.15172602
>>15172593
Who the fuck reads manuals? You don't jump in a game blind?? That's no fun
cdc33e No.15172613
>>15171240
>friendly scientist: Hey, Blake, take my food tokens!
Awesome game. Only thing I disliked were the wall mounted plasma monster spawners
1d2732 No.15172638
>>15172602
I always read the manual first so I know the controls, mechanics and overall gameplay immediatly.
26bc14 No.15172670
>has an ingame map that literally highlights hidden doors
>has to look up a solution online for something everyone solved on their own back then
>claims to not be the retard here
Eternal september is real.
fc1d37 No.15172691
>>15172440
The platform in the corner there is a big hint. Why would there be a platform there for seemingly no reason exactly at the correct height as the switches? It's not there at random, it's extremely obvious.
82b29f No.15172714
>>15172577
>Why don't games spoil the solutions to puzzles in the manual
Millenials. There is NOTHING on Earth they despise more than having to think for themselves.
cca5d1 No.15172719
>>15169599
Not really a /v/ type of guy normally, just lurk, but i noticed this one ID is spazzing out like a tard and people keep responding to him. Maybe he is right and you are all retarded because people keep giving him (you)'s for some reason.
26bc14 No.15172793
>>15172719
>There's a retard humping a garbage can on my street.
>If I ignore him, he will stop and go away.
>If me and my drinking buddies laugh and ridicule him when we pass by on the street, we are not discouraging him from continuing to act retarded by ostracism, we must be in fact more retarded than him.
In this analogy you COULD call the police, but when has Mark solved anything?
>(1)
You can't save face if you ditch it and pretend to wear another.
Retard.
1d2732 No.15172801
>>15172691
But I didn't even know switches being shootable was a thing in the game.
1d2732 No.15172808
>>15172714
>Games should have a mechanics that can only be found by pure accident and then have puzzles about them
Fuck off, retard.
2fcfd0 No.15172832
I would give Doom a pass because it was one of the first FPS games, they didn't really have an idea of game theory or how to properly guide players (modern games typically use lights or "breadcrumb" enemies. Doom 3 is a good example of the latter).
They had to invent the ways to do these things. I think Romero said in an interview that he used sound a lot. Personally, I think this is a shitty way because
>press button
>hear sound
>lose track of your surroundings
>can't make sound repeat
>run around in circles until you eventually find it by accident
I bet you someone could do a pass through old Doom and make where to go way more clear by adding more textures. Kind of like how the exit door is almost always the same texture.
82b29f No.15172842
>>15172801
You're saying this like it effects you and only you. NONE of us knew that you could shoot switches, nobody had to tell us yet we figured it out anyway because we have critical thinking skills that your short bus riding ass clearly lacks. You need to press a switch yet you can't use it but it's a switch and it's main purpose is to be pressed, so what was your logic? "Hurr durr It's a switch I can't press I guess durrr" Then why the fuck would it be in the game? CoD is more your style, stick to movie shooters.
>>15172808
You couldn't figure out an obscenely basic puzzle that I figured out almost instantly back when I was 6 and you call me the retard? You have an entire 200+ reply thread of people calling you out for being a complete fucking moron and yet you are still in denial.
2fcfd0 No.15172867
>>15172842
You're getting mad at someone because they were taught that E opened doors and pressed switches. You couldn't get past the first room in Doom without understanding that E opened doors, so that's fair.
Every door before that was to walk up and press E. Press E, press E, press E.
So when presented with a switch that you have to SHOOT, the game has to have some sort of clue. That's why a lot of games have tutorials that say "shoot this switch," but only ever say it once. Sometimes you can't escape having a short text tutorial. Again, Doom kind of got away with it because it was the 90s, people were used to games being hard and not explaining anything, and id was forced to invent a way to show the player where to go (plus how else could they make money from their 1-800 TIP LINE CALL NOW ONLY $1.99 A MINUTE). The automap is a bandaid, it doesn't solve the problem.
4cca43 No.15172957
You guys should play a real first person shooting experience instead. Something like that game Bethesda Game Studios™ made a couple years ago, Fallout™ 4™
Am I right, fellow anons?
82b29f No.15172958
>>15172867
>You're getting mad at someone because they were taught that E opened doors and pressed switches. You couldn't get past the first room in Doom without understanding that E opened doors, so that's fair.
Now YOU'RE treating this shit like it only affected him. We all went through the same lessons yet had no problem.
>So when presented with a switch that you have to SHOOT, the game has to have some sort of clue.
The clue is that it's a switch you need to press to continue, you can't get the blue key without it, a switch would not exist if there was no need to use it and the only other option you have in regards to interacting with the world is shooting things and exploding barrels teach you that shooting can effect objects in the world that aren't monsters.
>That's why a lot of games have tutorials that say "shoot this switch," but only ever say it once
Pretty sure no game ever had this in their tutorial.
>Sometimes you can't escape having a short text tutorial.
DOOM did, the overwhelming majority of games before 2006 as well. I've never heard anyone complain about this puzzle until today.
>(plus how else could they make money from their 1-800 TIP LINE CALL NOW ONLY $1.99 A MINUTE)
Fired up DOOM and checked the manual just to be sure, there was no 1-800 tip line, you are completely full of shit.
>The automap is a bandaid, it doesn't solve the problem.
The automap doesn't solve the problem because the game expects you to take in the information that it gives you and act accordingly, not run away crying to the internet because the game gave you the tools to figure the problem out instead of doing it for you in a cutscene. It is really fucked up to me how dronelike millenials are, BASIC critical thinking skills, nothing more complex then analyzing a situation, asking yourself questions and solving them is far beyond them despite the fact that I and millions others had no problem doing it when we were still in grade school.
2feb04 No.15172979
>>15172638
>immediatly
>he doesn't just look at the controls menu (chocolate-doom-setup.exe in this case)
>he doesn't just press each button on the controller when applicable
>he doesn't press f1
>he doesn't press the usual expected keys first like wasd
>>15172867
>You couldn't get past the first room in Doom without understanding that E opened doors, so that's fair.
>doom
>e to open doors
>in doom
You haven't even played Doom, have you?
>1-800 TIP LINE CALL NOW ONLY $1.99 A MINUTE
What the fuck?
369d2d No.15172986
By the time Doom player gets to E3M6, he should have developed an intuitive sense for secret doors, as they usually stand out somehow from the surrounding environment. In this particular case it's marked with the candle as well as texture offset. The automap also helps a great deal to help find would-be secret areas.
Anyway if you thought this was too hard, don't ever play Hexen, Wolf3D, or Eternal Doom. Actually there's a bunch of Doom PWADs that have keys in secret areas, and sometimes they're not even marked. One of the first few levels of The Talosian Incident plays this dirty trick.
76653e No.15172991
>>15172957
I thought Fallout 4 was a roleplaying game, Mr. Todd.
4cca43 No.15173001
>>15172991
don't be silly, I could never live up to that godlike figure, chisled jawline and stunning charisma. I'm just a big fan of their games.
369d2d No.15173030
>>15168942
One of the best thing about Doom for me was the secrets. That's what gave it so much longevity. Anytime I ended up at the tally screen without 100% secrets, I knew there was still something hidden in there, somewhere, just waiting for me to find it. That went on for many years, because I never used walkthrough or map cheat. I don't even do that for adventure games and interactive fiction. Also, spoilers suck, so I tend to avoid reading comments and reviews I know will probably have them.
6c608f No.15173048
>>15171289
actually, I enjoy Wolf3D when playing it in the Doom engine. Wolfenstein 3D TC is fun as fuck, classic Wolf3D is only a bit hard to get into because of the awkward controls. ECWolf is also a solution. But with standard controls, I love the going back to the old-fashioned maze design from time to time. Same reason I like old dungeon crawls.
369d2d No.15173111
>>15169010
They generally use the secret linedef flag. It's more like some early PWADs that didn't, probably because the author didn't know about or understand the purpose of the flag.
5725e4 No.15173149
I want to know what kind of backwards ass nigger plays games with a window opened that way? Play it in fullscreen you fucking retarded monkey.
369d2d No.15173172
>>15169211
> lame pansie can't handle being taunted
> wants every level to be uniformely the same, boring, predictable design according to some "rules" he made up
Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on. You're the reason modern gaming is complete shit.
3254d8 No.15173186
>>15173149
It's for the capture, you mouth-breathing mongoloid.
15d9e9 No.15173194
>>15173186
so you're saying it's impossible to capture fullscreen footage?
021d24 No.15173219
>>15169862
>>Old enough to remember the moon landing?
>You're Gen X.
>>Old enough to remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
>You're a Boomer.
Wow, how can you possibly be this retarded? Boomers were the people born in the baby boom (hence "boomer") after WW2. Their first big things to remember were the Kennedy assassination and the moon landing. Gen Xers were just a twinkle in their fathers' eyes when the moon landings started. Better for them would be asking if they're old enough to remember Kurt Cobain's suicide.
Sage for OT.
369d2d No.15173227
>>15169341
If all of Doom was like episode 1, it would have been boring as fuck. You'd be playing the same thing but with different textures, layout, and a few new monsters. Might as well just run SLIGE at that point.
369d2d No.15173326
>>15169390
This proves you're not what you say you are. I used to spend hours playing Galaxian and Phoenix arcade machines, couldn't get enough of them. It was nothing but sending wave after wave of enemies against the player. But it wasn't boring, it was amazing and addictive. Same deal with other people and Pac-Man, etc. You're so full of shit anon, to claim that these games were boring, when they were wildly popular and successful.
dbaa54 No.15173357
While we're talking about things people don't know how to do in Doom, I don't know how to turn the map off in GZdoom. I can press M to open it, but pressing M to close it again just leaves these numbered markers wherever I'm standing rather than closing it.
369d2d No.15173360
>>15169425
Sandy Petersen was hired to finish the game because they fired Tom Hall, and Romero was too busy being a rock star. Also he was far from a "hack", and was in fact already a seasoned game designer for tabletop RPGs.
2feb04 No.15173383
>>15173186
Could you possibly be any more retarded?
369d2d No.15173385
>>15169578
I don't see you justifying jack shit either. All you're doing is pushing your Romero=God meme in every fuckin g Doom thread. Just go suck his dick already.
82b29f No.15173389
>>15173357
Placing map markers is M by default, so if you change map to M they conflict like that. I don't remember what menu it's in but you should be able to change the map marker hotkey to something else.
15d9e9 No.15173397
>>15173383
>dreamweavers
I have not heard that name in years.
Is it still produced by macromedia's corpse at Adobe?
1d2732 No.15173419
>>15172979
>>he doesn't just look at the controls menu (chocolate-doom-setup.exe in this case)
I was talking about console games.
1d2732 No.15173427
>>15173194
With webmcam, yes it is.
1d2732 No.15173436
>>15173383
>Having the gamma that fucking high
why?
369d2d No.15173442
>>15169646
The E3M5 teleporters were just a simple puzzle.
the one that's currently flashing is where you're supposed to go
e3c0bb No.15173447
>>15173357
Press Tab, Fag.
2feb04 No.15173451
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>>15173397
That's just my music player, I was listening to the Spyro soundtrack earlier and apparently I stopped on this one. Adobe does still make it though.
>>15173419
I already said
>he doesn't just press each button on the controller when applicable
>>15173436
>tripleposting
I was using a darker monitor a while ago and left it like that.
>>15173427
>calls somebody a mongoloid because he didn't automatically know you were using shitty software
1d2732 No.15173468
>>15173451
>>he doesn't just press each button on the controller when applicable
What if button combinations are also a thing? Simply put: It's much more convenient to simply take a look at a manual for a minute.
>>calls somebody a mongoloid because he didn't automatically know you were using shitty software
Except I wasn't the guy calling you that, you would know if you actually took the time to look at the post ID's.
dbaa54 No.15173471
>>15173447
>>15173389
I had M bound to map so that was the problem, thanks
369d2d No.15173489
>>15169700
The cyberdemon didn't need any monsters to support him. He was on another level of badass altogether, compared to every other Doom creature. The mood is already set with the hanging baron corpses in the opening room (those big badasses you had trouble with in E1M8 and saved a bunch of rockets up for). Then you open a door and probably shoot at one of the annoying lost souls. And then, immediately you hear a roar that's nothing like anything you heard before, following by THUMP-THUMP-THUMP footsteps that shake the entire level. And not long after that you start getting rockets in your face. That's why he didn't need any monsters to support him. And this was a gripping fight back in the day, not just a "ho-hum another cyberdemon" like people would rate it today if someone made the same level. This was some scary shit.
fa65f9 No.15173522
>>15173489
Too bad it's still a bullet sponge with a grand total of 1 attack and hardly any hitstun to indicate that you're hurting it. Bad enemy design and bad boss design.
369d2d No.15173536
>>15169872
Those city maps aren't as brown as you tho.
1d2732 No.15173547
>>15169700
I honestly prefer Sandy's version of E1M8, it's alot more simplistic and it works alot better because of that. Romero's version feels off, it drastically increases in level complexity, length and difficulty.
Romero's version is a pretty neat level, but Sandy's version just fits the rest of the episode better.
369d2d No.15173555
>>15170137
Back to your containment board, Graf Zahl.
a58000 No.15173563
I managed to find it by myself since i autistically press space on every wall, but yeah it was pretty dumb.
47833d No.15173569
>>15168709
>>Look up a walkthrough
Go fuck yourself.
b00631 No.15173575
>>15171418
>not spending an hour every day listening to a loop of doom guy's constipated grunts
369d2d No.15173612
>>15170211
You've had 20 years of mental masturbation and no ground-breaking product shipped in 1993-4 to show for it. You're not even qualified to lick their dirty feet, much less talk shit about their level design.
You see, there's a difference between following in someone's footsteps (which is what every PWAD author has done) compared to being a trailblazer (which is what all the people at id were back then).
2bd968 No.15173628
>>15168976
I see what you did there.
9ac46f No.15173661
>>15173651
Or, y'know, people who don't like their eyes bleeding.
a8ebac No.15173688
>>15173669
I can read black text on a white background with no problem, but light grey text on a dark grey background is simply easier on the eyes. There's a reason why more and more websites and programs are starting to have dark themes that are even sometimes on by default.
a34eda No.15173695
>>15173555
>pic
I'm surprised that's not a doom mod.
a34eda No.15173709
>>15173219
Not only that, but if you're old enough to remember hiroshima & nagasaki, then you'd generally be too old to take an interest in imageboards - any older than that and you've died of old age.
e4eeba No.15173713
>>15173699
>having strong bones is for faggots
>having a loving mother who reads bedtime stories is for faggots
a8ebac No.15173714
>>15173699
Paper is white because producing black paper is costly.
4fa6ff No.15173750
>>15173699
Comparing monitor and paper (which doesn't illuminate light) really show how stupid you are.
4fa6ff No.15173752
really? triggered by an image?
0b664e No.15173754
>>15173729
It's also traditional to stone the gays and euthanize the retards, yet here we are.
4fa6ff No.15173770
>>15173757
You're just stupid because you don't even consider the factor difference between paper and display.
e-ink is fucking everywere, how the fuck you didn't even heard of "it's the backlight that's make it hard to read from displays"
a0b366 No.15173775
>>15168709
You should write Id Software and complain there wasn't a tutorial which explained to you what might happen during gameplay.
4fa6ff No.15173793
>>15173774
You should have just admitted you didn't know about it.
2feb04 No.15173809
>>15173699
Paper isn't backlit.
>>15173729
Then he should be using a white, gray or green on black theme.
>>15173752
Maybe if you weren't from cuckchan you'd see why that image gives you away.
>>15173754
Are you saying we shouldn't stone the gays and euthanize the retards?
4fa6ff No.15173819
>>15173797
hehe you don't even have anything to say apart from just trowing some mean words. Right?
>>15173809
I just did draw that image right now really. And it was this imageboard that teached me about dump wojak meme. And maybe ocasinal pictures everythere.
2feb04 No.15173850
>>15173826
>implying reflecting light is the same as emitting it
>implying backlights aren't still worse due to blue light
4fa6ff No.15173855
>>15173826
>It reflects
Are you for real?
Display also reflect light on top of being backlit you dungus.
0b664e No.15173861
>>15173809
I'm saying that 85b643 should have been euthanized and/or stoned for being a fag and also a retard.
4fa6ff No.15173873
>>15173868
>still acting like a retard
4fa6ff No.15173881
>>15173879
>still acting like a retard
4fa6ff No.15173888
>>15173883
>still acting like a retard
4fa6ff No.15173898
>>15173893
>still acting like a retard
80eb32 No.15174026
>thread goes from calling out retards who can't play Doom to arguing about paper
520591 No.15174479
>he doesn't get 100% secrets on every level
This is truly ban worthy
f2f9df No.15174482
>>15174478
I think its bruce faggot. He's been spamming this in every thread. We should just word filter what he posts so it gets instant deleted.
f2f9df No.15174542
>>15174495
The guy who spams that 12 post long tall pic of a head with the name bruce. He fucked up recently because his bot is shit and output his file path and doxxed himself. Aaron lawson if you want the name.
2feb04 No.15174558
>>15174478
>he hasn't seen this before
Honestly, I like having the post count stats. I always wonder exactly how bad it is when there's only one user making most of the posts in a thread.
e56063 No.15174874
>people are actually defending bullshit design because they think it will make them fit in
wew
>>15168755
I honestly can't tell if this is bait or not.
996560 No.15174876
AHHAHAHHHHAAHHHAHH
THUNDER
7b967b No.15174903
>>15174880
>>15174876
>>15174885
This is seriously just soyjack all over again.
e56063 No.15174923
d725b3 No.15174941
>>15173713
>milk gives you strong bones
0f9600 No.15174943
>>15174923
it's bad and he should feel bad
85320e No.15174944
>>15174923
They're both forced and unfunny memes that are going to shit up the board for months. Niggers don't know how to make actually funny content so they just make lazy Wojak offshoots and shit edits of those, without realizing the same joke parroted hundreds of times over the span of a month stops being funny very quickly.
e56063 No.15174951
>>15174944
I find it pretty funny. Soyjack always gets a smile out of me.
fa65f9 No.15174954
>>15174944
You completely asked for this when you let newfags run wild with forced crap like dubs and piccolodick for years.
43be32 No.15174972
>>15174954
If you pretend to be retarded long enough, you will end up surrounded by actual retards who mistakenly thought they're in a good company. Wisdom old as the Earth itself. Somehow people still miss it.
Now check em you faggot.
e56063 No.15174987
369d2d No.15175012
>>15172593
IF they put every damn thing in the manual, there wouldn't be any fun left in figuring things out in the game. I guess you're too young and used to being spoon-fed every damn thing, but in the 80's it was common to have to just figure out some things, and the id guys grew up playing such games along with D&D, which back then required a heavy amount of lateral thinking (I guess maybe they changed that with 3rd edition when they tried to codify everything into game mechanics, as fucking Magic: The Gathering designers they would do, of course).
Oh, and E1M3 in DOS Doom had the shootable wall to get to the chainsaw. Shooting switches isn't much different when you realize they don't activate like a switch would (also humping a wall that doesn't give you the "umphhh" sound is a giveway).
Whatever you do, don't play old adventures games and interactive fiction, because you'll be totally lost without every possible situation explicitely described in the manual.
e56063 No.15175050
>>15175012
Why are you referring to this shit as if it's okay? There's a huge difference between not holding your hand and just being unnecessarily cryptic.
>but in the 80's
But in the 80's, most games were fucking garbage. This is when the bullshit tactic of intentionally making the game frustrating so that they could jew more coins out of you at arcades was still prevalent.
>don't play old adventures games and interactive fiction
This is good advice, but not for the reasons you give. It's good advice because they're fucking awful and have no redeeming qualities.
e1c871 No.15175094
Doom is fucking shit. Always has been. It has this reputation as a fast paced demon slaying good time but in reality its just clearing out an area, which isn't a big deal, and then mashing enter on every square inch in the hopes you activate whatever the fuck it is you need because its never consistent what you can and can't interact with and nothing differentiates it with the rest of the environment. No shame in having trouble with the game.
>>15168753
Games didn't really get good until home games of the late eighties but jewing in arcade games didn't really start until the 90s when they could be "finished" and if you died you could pay more to keep going. In those old games where its all about score your score resets when you continue, and since the game is endless with nothing more to see and no ending, why would you continue? To have a worse high score?
As an aside well designed arcade games are always beatable in one credit, even now. Just finished Time Crisis 5 1cc last week.
e56063 No.15175128
>>15175094
Dragon's Lair is probably the most notorious game for coin jewing out there, and that was released in 1983.
61d6cd No.15175151
>Trolls Trolling Trolls: The Thread
369d2d No.15175227
>>15175050
> IF games have no redeeming qualities
Whatever, just stick to your shallow, linear games that have every option and situatation meticulously described ahead of time, so you don't have to do any thinking whatsoever. After all, modern schooling has taught you that thinking is hard and tedious, rather than rewarding and enjoyable. That's one of the purposes of schooling, to make sure the nigger cattle stay dumb forever, so as to be easy to control and manipulate.
a22afb No.15175689
>>15175227
>IF games have no redeeming qualities
20fb36 No.15175764
>>15175689
>redeeming qualities
Flat girls?
5492e1 No.15175779
>>15175227
Games per definition have zero redeeming qualities, there is nothing to gain from it, they are meant to be consumed like a recreativo drug, like pop music or TV.
ad4712 No.15175804
>>15175779
>Games per definition have zero redeeming qualities
But that's wrong you fucking retard. We teach kids using games.
480ced No.15175859
>>15175779
We've been playing games as long as we've existed. They are a way to practice skills and improve at them, which we naturally find enjoyable. The modern video game industry is ultra kiked, but that doesn't mean games have no purpose.
8cdb2b No.15175891
>>15175764
He posted worst girl
a22afb No.15175919
>>15175764
Cute console/company-tans, lewd bodysuits, generally light-hearted unserious tone, and the Re;birth games are even decently playable despite their budget nature. I'll take them over anything Western from recent times.
>>15175891
I find some irony that you idolize her but hate IF.
8cdb2b No.15175933
>>15175919
>you
That was my first post m8
4c49b3 No.15175966
>>15168989
they might be driving
a80fbd No.15175984
>>15172515
>can't play on the easiest difficulty
a22afb No.15175990
>>15175933
What? Who else could you be talking about given the context?
82144a No.15176128
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>>15173575
>not using his anal clenched grunts to make sweet music.
34bd3b No.15176167
>>15171418
am_cheat 2 then
e56063 No.15178443
>>15175227
>autistically humping every wall in sight like a mindless worker drone is "thinking" to you
*sip*
683081 No.15178472
>>15178443
Fuck off back to /tv/
989c6f No.15178486
>>15168951
>>Using Chocolate Doom instead of emulating MS-DOS
>Chocolate Doom is literally a port of the game designed to be a minimally different as physically possible to the original game, even down to not increasing the visplane limits which almost every other port does.
>Using an emulator is a superior experience
0e6eaf No.15178520
>>15168709
I got too used to Smooth Doom and now the regular animations are jarring as fuck to me
989c6f No.15178528
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>>15178520
The main reason the animations were so jank in the original was because they had to do each individual frame one at a time from photographs. So they wanted to do as few as possible while at the same time looking passable.
These games also released on floppy disk so they were really down to the wire on how many sprites they could fit on each disk.
5943b4 No.15178593
>being proud by being able to handle bad design.
like it's a good skill, but being proud of it is stupid.
774128 No.15178602
retards like OP are why we can't have nice things anymore
b6fa4a No.15178606
>>15178520
Nothing to be embarassed about, anon.
Smooth Doom looks pretty damn good.
1d2732 No.15178792
>>15175094
OP here, even I think you're retarded.
585464 No.15178922
>>15169578
Map01 wasn't made by Sandy you retard faggot, that was American McGee.
80eb32 No.15178937
>>15178792
>OP here
>being so retarded he doesn't even know about IDs
Weren't you already gone? >>>/cuckchan/
80eb32 No.15178944
>>15175050
>But in the 80's, most games were fucking garbage
>>15174874
>bullshit design
You can leave too >>>/cuckchan/
6c608f No.15178950
>>15171277
Ok, so it doesn't show you the door in this case. I just now replayed the level and you are locked into that small room until you find the exit. There is nothing for you to do but to hump the walls and the door has a candle to indicate its location. The fact that you couldn't find the exit is mental.
ad55ff No.15178971
>>15173569
Solve this without a walkthrough. Go on motherfucker I dare you.
2feb04 No.15179116
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>>15178971
Sure thing faggot
1^6 = 1
2^5 = 32
3^4 = 81
4^3 = 64
5^2 = 25
6^1 = 6
See a pattern? it's x^y as x goes from 1 to 6 and y goes from 6 to 1. You're expected to figure out the next number in the sequence. What do those first five numbers have in common? If it's an "exponential matrix" then they must be powers of something. Obviously it has to be some kind of pattern, so you can factor them and try to find a pattern or even just punch some combinations into your calculator until something clicks.
log of 1 = 0
log of 8 = 3
log of 32 = 5
log of 128 = 7
This one's ridiculously easy if you know what logarithms are. That dash separates the pairs of numbers and by looking at the first two you can tell it's just log of x = y so all you have to do to find the answer is find the log of 128.
15199b No.15179762
>>15168998
>Dead end = secret, is one of the first things you should learn when it comes to videogames.
This, and "always check behind the waterfall or under the stairs". It's fucking gaming 101.
15199b No.15179811
>>15172577
You have exactly TWO fucking ways of interacting with something in Doom. You either shoot it or you "use" it. That's it.
>>15172602
I miss manuals, they were great for lore and artwork, though the old NES ones usually had translation errors or outright lies that made shit more fucking difficult in the long run. Still, some old games, especially JRPGs, had features that were never explained in-game and required some learning. I recently tried Romancing Saga 2 blind and I have no fucking idea what is going on. There's no digital manual or anything on Switch like there is on 3DS and Wii U.
6b68ce No.15179964
>>15179762
>he forgot "walking over it"
>>15178486
While I already berated him for that, there are legitimate reasons to use DOS Doom, the major one being to play historic versions of the game which Chocolate only attempts to match Doom 1.666 and later, plus a couple of quirks related to Final Doom. Running in a DOS-based environment also has significant variation to Windows with things like undefined memory access, in particular there are options for how to handle spechits overflow, and donut sectors without the second role model.
https://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Command-line_arguments#Compatibility
26994b No.15180724
>>15171240
(((Dr. Goldfire))) and his intentions were an early redpill for me.
1d2732 No.15180844
>>15178937
I already know about ID's you retard.
1d2732 No.15180852
>>15178950
>There is nothing for you to do but to hump the walls and the door has a candle to indicate its location.
I just assumed the room was a dead end that you couldn't escape from, forcing you to reload an early save or start the whole chapter all over again. Similarly to the 'HAHA' room in the Dirty Harry NES game.
fce184 No.15181161
>>15180852
Except vanilla Doom doesn't have that kind of bullshit, because it's garbage level design. It's your own fault for assuming it was that, you know what they say about assuming things.
1d2732 No.15181201
>>15181161
>you know what they say about assuming things
What do they say?
fce184 No.15181210
>>15181201
You make an ass out of u and me
9667f4 No.15187476
>playing fast paced game
>kill all enimies
>half to run around mashing on every wall
>kills any fun you were having
REMEMBER GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!
1d2732 No.15187995
>>15187476
In every other level it's optional. Sandy just decided to be extra dickish with this one.
36f0a8 No.15188050
this is why kingdom hearts is the greatest JRPG of all time
1d2732 No.15190553