/v/ - Video Games

>Low budget

Deadly Premonition beats it.

Why is olivia such a cunt?

Also, chain yanker is under rated.

>created by best director

>his last good game was vanquish

>makes an abomination called evil within

Absolver is kind of similar.

>>15147679

It's not as churayzee as devil may cry or bayonetta, it's in that weird boundary much like the ninja gaiden remake as an example.

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>>15147683

I'd call it cuhRayzEe 4.

>>15147679

>>15147683

>>15148315

Yeah except cuhrazee is a retarded name for a genre, especially since it implies one series (DMC) is an entire genre to it's own. It's like when faggots say Souls-like or Rogue-like.

Character action, or style action are better names. Or just simply action.

>>15148327

I can approve of stylish action, but character action is fucking retarded.

>>15148327

Character action is a fucking worthless name. It's MOBA-tier non-description. Every action game features a character. There is no lineage to the term, unlike the similarly non-descriptive Role-Playing Game. There is no purpose to it.

>>15148342

>>15148346

I don't like character action as a descriptor either, but it's still better than just "cuhrazee".

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>>15148360

No, it's not. Cuhrazee, for the faults it has, at least indicates the kind of action being done whereas character action is nonsense. Stylish Action is the superior term, but Cuhrazee is alright. Character Action is shit.

>>15148368

action > stylish action > character action > cuhrayzee xDD

>>15148378

Action is complete non-description. It's alright if you're talking about the genre in the broadest possible terms, but it doesn't encapsulate the subset the other terms are intended to convey as a distinct entity at all.

>>15147675

>Makes an abomination called Evil Within because Bethesda lied to him and told him they wouldn't have him make another RE4 but then upon hiring him immediately forced him to make another RE4

ftfy

>>15148386

Not every game that slightly deviates from the formula has to get it's own sub-genre.

It's like I said earlier, the SoulsBourne games are action/adventure games with RPG elements and their combat is rather unique within that genre, but calling a game similar to it a "Souls-like" makes you sound like a raging faggot. Same with calling games with permadeath "Rogue-lites".

How about if the game has an emphasis on action and combat, you call it a fucking action game and leave it at that? DMC and Platinum type games are just the best of the best in action games.

>>15148407

Sometimes you want to be able to talk about a game that has commonalities with Devil May Cry, Bayonetta, and God Hand without including Contra, Metal Slug, River City Ransom, Double Dragon, and God of War. Having specific terms is useful where there are divisions to be made.

>>15147679

It's just an action game. As far as budget, I've never seen any information to indicate it's a low budget or cheaply made game. A lot of what it does is intentional. The level design is also really good.

>>15148411

>without including Contra, Metal Slug, River City Ransom, Double Dragon

No wonder you're a brainlet that needs super-precise genres to be able to define what you want. You include games that already have their own agreed upon genres like run-n'-gun and beat-'em-ups into action games. Contra and Double Dragon do not have an emphasis on combat. Combat is just a tool used in conjunction with other elements.

>>15148429

Yes, they have genres, but they are within the umbrella of action game. There is no reason whatsoever why not to have a similar sub-genre to specify stylish action as distinct from them without invoking their individual sub-genres. "Action, but not Beat 'Em Up or Run and Gun" is not even remotely succinct. Nice of you to exclude God of War from your quote, because it's the least convenient counter-example for your faggot ass.

>>15148449

>There is no reason whatsoever why not to have a similar sub-genre to specify stylish action as distinct from them without invoking their individual sub-genres

I've already said that sub-genres can be fine, but you want to try and make a sub-genre so exclusionary, it's only really useful for when you're talking about Devil May Cry and most Platinum games. Like I said in my example earlier, go ahead and try and use the term Souls-like on this board to describe games like Dark Souls and see if you don't get your ass laughed at.

Instead of making an entirely new sub-genre for 5 games, why not just add a qualifier to the already accepted genre of action? Devil May Cry is a an "action game with deep combat". Why is that so hard?

>Nice of you to exclude God of War from your quote, because it's the least convenient counter-example for your faggot ass.

Because my initial point was that you were including Contra and Double Dragon in the genre of action when they already had their own genres. I obviously didn't include GoW in that list because I already consider GoW to be an action game, you fucking mongoloid.

>>15148482

>I've already said that sub-genres can be fine, but you want to try and make a sub-genre so exclusionary, it's only really useful for when you're talking about Devil May Cry and most Platinum games. Like I said in my example earlier, go ahead and try and use the term Souls-like on this board to describe games like Dark Souls and see if you don't get your ass laughed at.

Oh no, however will I recover. The fucking retarded nigger who can't understand the utility sub-genre distinctions might find the term funny. The horror.

>Instead of making an entirely new sub-genre for 5 games, why not just add a qualifier to the already accepted genre of action? Devil May Cry is a an "action game with deep combat". Why is that so hard?

With deep combat? Shit, I guess that includes Souls games and fighting games too. In fact, any sufficiently mechanically complex Beat 'em Up, like Double Dragon Neon or Run and Gun like Cuphead belongs in that category too. See the problem?

>I already consider GoW to be an action game, you fucking mongoloid.

As you already consider Devil May Cry and Bayonetta. Why should I give a fuck what some cocksucker thinks a genre is?

>>15148497

dmc, bayonetta, god of war are all part of the same genre. Action. Some are just better than others.

>>15148506

>dmc, bayonetta, god of war are all part of the same genre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_game

>>15148512

Yep

>>15148506

>genre

This discussion is of sub-genre. Your point is as irrelevant as it is uncontroversial.

>>15148497

>The fucking retarded nigger who can't understand the utility sub-genre distinctions might find the term funny.

Not me personally you fucking retarded newfag. It's obvious you've never been in a fucking DaS thread before. The "Souls-like" trolling has been going on ever since Dark Souls was first released, and it the term still hasn't stuck. Because it's fucking retarded and laughably narrow in scope.

>Shit, I guess that includes Souls games and fighting games too

Souls games have extremely shallow combat. It's good, but not deep. You could call Dark Souls an "action game with slow and methodical combat".

Your attempt at a gotcha would've worked if you first ignored the possibility of using qualifiers and secondly actually named games with deep combat.

>Why should I give a fuck what some cocksucker thinks a genre is?

You're the one attached to and sperging out over a stupid name that could only be used for a handful of games.

Cry more.

>>15148532

>You could call Dark Souls an "action game with slow and methodical combat".

Great, I can use a sentence every time I want to invoke an idea that is conveyed in two words, if I'm not dealing with an autistic faggot.

>>15148541

>oh no I have to say a few words to describe what I mean

just like you should call twinkle star sprites a competitive shooting game, or midnight resistance a side-scrolling shooter. Quit looking for easy way outs because you lack the critical faculties to be clear in your speech and writing.

>>15148541

Yes, that's correct. Expounding on your thoughts does indeed take more effort than a two-word reply if your plan is to not look like a complete nigger retard.

>>15148548

I don't know why you're irrationally opposed to having a term to describe a narrow scope of games. It doesn't matter if there's five or five hundred, two words is more efficient and reliably understood than seven. I really don't get why you're dumb as fuck. Were you dropped on your head?

>>15147642

animations and combat are shit though

>>15148327

>Character action

1.)Cuhrayzee doesn't refer solely to DMC

2.)It's actually an excellent name except that it only works in text, not when spoken.

3.)Character Action is an amazingly stupid name for a genre that connotes not one single aspect of what makes the games unique

4.)You're an ignorant piece of shit.

5.)These games originated in Japan and Japanese devs are basically the only ones capable designing such great combat so they're inherently

JAPANESE ACTION GAMES

>>15148558

A genre by definition is used to categorize decent sizes of entries.

If your genre is so fucking small and exclusionary, it only has a couple entries, the value of the genre is almost entirely useless. At that point, you'd be better off just using the name of the actual game as a descriptor.

The reason beat-em-ups and run-n-guns are allowed to exist as sub-genres of action games is because there's already a metric fuck-ton of entries.

Maybe if there were a lot more games similar to DMC and Bayo, then I'd be more comfortable breaking them off into a sub-genre.

Until then you're just the faggot crying that he's not allowed to call the two games in the entire world that are similar to Dark Souls the "Souls-like" sub-genre.

>>15148594

I can tell you shouldn't be the one making these decisions because you aren't aware there's a fair few games that fit this classification, and you only know a handful of them. This is like seeing someone say "3D fighting games are just fighting games, there's only Tekken anyway".

>>15148578

>1.)Cuhrayzee doesn't refer solely to DMC

Never said it did.

>2.)It's actually an excellent name except that it only works in text, not when spoken.

So it's a literal meme name with no utility outside of forums and threads dedicated to them. Cool. You've wasted everyone's time.

>3.)Character Action is an amazingly stupid name for a genre that connotes not one single aspect of what makes the games unique

I agree, action game is better. I've already stated this.

>4.)You're an ignorant piece of shit.

You're a nigger.

>5.)These games originated in Japan and Japanese devs are basically the only ones capable designing such great combat so they're inherently

Using a location as a genre is even more retarded. You've essentially missed out on the whole jRPG debate going on forever.

Does jRPG refer to RPGs made in Japan, or games similar in style to those from Japan? Is Dark Souls a jRPG since it's from Japan? Or is it a wRPG since it's more similar to games made by Westerners?

See why locations used as genres is a retarded idea?

Is The Witcher a p(olish)RPG?

>>15148594

A sub-genre by definition is much smaller than a genre. The complete list of mockumentary films is much smaller than the complete list of comedies. The complete list of found footage films is much smaller than the complete list of horror movies. The complete list of thrillers is much smaller than the complete list of drama films. Just because the thriller is a much larger sub-genre than the mockumentary does not invalidate the mockumentary as a worthwhile subdivision of its genre. In fact, the fewer of them, the better because you get a more specific set of shared features, therefore a more accurate set of expectations from the genre and what you'll get if you view another of them. To hear a movie you're going to watch is a drama film tells you almost nothing about it. To hear that it's a biopic tells you its subject matter, scope, and tone.

>>15148607

DMC; Mostly everything Platinum and/or Kamiya; the 3D Ninja Gaiden games; maybe a few oddball indie games.

You wanna take a crack at naming other series' that would fit the bill?

>>15148637

Much smaller? Yes. But still large enough to warrant an identifier. The problem with cuhrayzee is there aren't enough to justify a sub-genre.

>>15148648

The distinct traits are what warrant a sub-genre, not the number of titles.

Shared traits of stylish action games as opposed to action games in general:

>Few playable characters, where multiple playable characters, the characters are highly distinct from each other

>Emphasis on combo oriented gameplay within single-player campaigns against computer opponents

>High skill-ceiling

>Typically graded performances that reward you proportionally to your performance

>Third-person camera perspective

>Numerous opponents (outside of some boss fights)

>Character progression throughout the course of the game, including expanding moveset and health pool

>Defensive systems involving parrying and/or dodging to allow the player to cope with the number of opponents

A lot of these traits (particularly the third-person perspective) you'll see within many kinds of action games, but taken together (along with some I may have neglected) they easily define something distinct from other action games.

>>15148624

>pretending to be retarded to manufacture a point

Anyone who is the least bit confused about what a JRPG entails is a casual or a retard, or perhaps both, as seems to be your case. Such faggots are beneath consideration.

>>15148682

>The distinct traits are what warrant a sub-genre

That's a catastrophe waiting to happen if you we take the logic of this to it's conclusion.

Literally almost every single individual game has some distinct element to it that could used to differentiate it from all other games. And you would agree (at least I hope you would if you aren't a room-temp IQ nigger) that giving a genre for every single game is an absolutely retarded idea. Quantity is a factor almost as important as the unique traits.

Should Bayonetta get it's own sub-genre distinct from games like DMC because Bayonetta included arcade-style mini-games?

Stylish-action-arcade-hybrid

I don't know if you've ever been to /mu/, but the genre and sub-genre purity spiral is fucking pure cringe to watch take place.

>but taken together (along with some I may have neglected) they easily define something distinct from other action games.

I already know what makes up what you would consider a cuhrayzee game, my point has always been that there simply aren't enough of them for it to be a pragmatic naming scheme.

You know what all "cuhrayzee" games have in common? Deep combat. So even needing such restrictive, exclusionary, and non-unique-to-genre attributes like high skill ceiling or grading system (which alone could be in literally any other genre) makes it not worth the effort of the definition. My advice of simply using the qualifier for action game is much simpler and easier to comprehend.

Action game with deep combat.

>>15148685

>hurr durr I can just call you retarded so I don't have to address your points and look like a retard in the process

Always a reliable get out of jail free card.

>>15148685

Also jRPGs aren't as succinctly defined as you seem to imagine, or else the debate about them wouldn't be as prevalent on here as they are. It's clear to see you have been on /v/ no longer than a year at max.

>>15148713

>Should Bayonetta get it's own sub-genre distinct from games like DMC because Bayonetta included arcade-style mini-games?

No, because it's not an aspect of the core gameplay. Just like no retard would mistake Pokemon for a gambling RPG just because of the Game Corner.

>I don't know if you've ever been to /mu/, but the genre and sub-genre purity spiral is fucking pure cringe to watch take place.

I'll agree /mu/ gets obsessive with it to such an extent that I, as a casual listener of music, can't keep up with the made-up terms they use. I don't think that this ought to be a concern in this case, because with regard to games there are a lot more readily apparent yet distinct commonalities to look at than with something that can be as subjective as music.

>You know what all "cuhrayzee" games have in common? Deep combat. So even needing such restrictive, exclusionary, and non-unique-to-genre attributes like high skill ceiling or grading system (which alone could be in literally any other genre) makes it not worth the effort of the definition. My advice of simply using the qualifier for action game is much simpler and easier to comprehend.

You know what all RPG games have in common? Stats. So let's drop this JRPG, WRPG, ARPG, SRPG (or tactical RPG) nonesense and just call them Role Playing Games with action or Role Playing Games with menus.

>>15148750

>Just like no retard would mistake Pokemon for a gambling RPG just because of the Game Corner.

But your insistence of using hyper-exclusionary attributes for the cuhrayzee sub-genre is logically going to produce the result of stupid shit like considering Pokemon a RPG-gambling hybrid. If an action game can get it's own sub-genre because it has deep combat and a scoring system, why can't Bayonetta go deeper because it has an arcade minigame and DMC and Ninja Gaiden don't? Why is scoring allowed to be a contingent pillar, but mini-games aren't? It's logically inconsistent on your part. That's why it's a cluster-fuck.

>because with regard to games there are a lot more readily apparent yet distinct commonalities to look at than with something that can be as subjective as music.

Music and games aren't as distinct as you would like in this instance. You agree that /mu/ goes overboard with sub-genres, but yet you want to make up a sub-genre for 3 game series'. Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

>You know what all RPG games have in common? Stats. So let's drop this JRPG, WRPG, ARPG, SRPG (or tactical RPG) nonesense and just call them Role Playing Games with action or Role Playing Games with menus.

This is literally the argument I've been using all along if you had paid attention and addressed it directly. Qualifiers for the over-arching genre is much more succinct and useful than create a tangled web of useless sub-genres of sub-genres.

>I want a jRPG

<What does that mean exactly

>I want an RPG with qualities similar to the style prevalent in Japan's RPGs

<Oh, now I understand what you mean. Here's X game, or you may even like Y game

Adding the qualifier to the already established genre or sub-genre is just as easy, more descriptive, and you don't sound like a special snowflake try-hard faggot for making up a genre.

>>15148775

>There is no debate.

This is what it would seem like to a newfag coming in for the first time like you.

>You're an impressionable moron gullible enough to fall for bait posts and false-flagging

>They're all bait because I say so, waaah

Very convenient for you, because now you get to side-step the actual discussion while pretending to have the high ground like a fucking brainlet lacking self-awareness. Also, false-flagging makes absolutely no sense within this context. Stop using words you don't know that you picked up from your first week here, retard.

>I don't want to have to report you.

Yes, report me for actually talking about the topic at hand simply because you're a mongoloid who can't justify your position with anything other than "hurr durr u dumb i smart i win xDD".

Your new is showing hard.

Just call them video games with action with stylish deep combat.

>>15148892

>Perhaps you're capable of providing some evidence that depicts actual gamers agonizing over whether or not Dark Souls is a JRPG?

This was my earlier point. The fact you're even asking this questions shows you are a newfag. Threads have been made about this subject and debates have popped up about this in DaS threads as far back as it was first released in 2011. And they even occasionally still take place today. Seeing you actually deny this happens makes me feel like you're either a literal newfag like a predicted, literally retarded and easy to distract, or simply baiting. Maybe a combination.

I don't think I've ever talked to anyone who claims they aren't a newfag but haven't seen the "Is Dark Souls a jRPG" topic. It's mind-boggling to the point it seems like a contradiction.

>>15148916

>action with stylish deep combat

Which only Japan can deliver, so I really like Japanese Acton Games.

>>15148919

So… no? I'm having difficulty separating your response from that lengthy ad hominem and your flat out lies.

Post Olivia.

>>15148977

>muh grorious nippon

Also, it literally takes a simple Google search to find out about the "Is DaS a jRPG" debate. It's not just here the debate goes on. But please do dig your heels in on this one. It'll be much more entertaining watching you get BTFO.

>>15149060

>I googled an ignorant question and found idiots debating it

Wow. I am shocked.

Honestly its overrated. Very rough to play when compared with DMC, Bayo etc. its just not as fun an experience as those.

>>15148497

>With deep combat? Shit, I guess that includes Souls games and fighting games too.

Souls games don't have deep combat. A single weapon doesn't produce even a tenth of the different combinations weapons produce in Devil May Cry.

Fighting games are an entirely different genre. You don't walk around and they don't have exploration. Your retort was pretty bad.

>>15149120

You've added a lot of insight to the discussion. This thread wouldn't have been the same had you not made this enlightening post. Thank you.

>>15149122

The debate was whether it even existed at all. So congrats on conceding your entire fucking argument, retard.

>>15149249

>debate was whether it even existed at all

>moving goalposts

Ahh, but, anon, you asshole, that's not true. It was over whether or not the question was valid in the first place, over whether or not the confusion was due to a misapplication of the label JRPG and idiots being idiots or from a fundamental flaw in JRPG as a genre label, which you claim. It's the former. No one with any substantial experience in video games thought to themselves while playing any souls game, "Wow, this is such a cool JRPG, it really blows the hell out of Breath of Fire, holy shit!" This conflation of genres is something that happens when you depend on google, marketers or some other means to catalogue gameplay for you. People that do this are typically those supplementing a shallow pool of personal experience with video games. In such cases it is the uninformed that is the issue, not the genre label.

Also anon >>15149120 did improve the thread because you're an unfunny faggot and a thread full of nothing but your bitching is fucking torture.