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What games let you be an unapologetic god mode wizard without cheats?

>>15133000

Because they are badly designed, but bugs are not bad.

However if you want the game to maintain a threat you cannot allow things like that.

>>15133008

Being a wizard is all about cheating challenges.

They became a lot less fun if you use those exploits actually

>>15133008

>Because they are badly designed

No, they're intentional. If they weren't, they would've capped Skyrim's skills like Oblivion did to prevent alchemy abuse. But no, turns out alchemy abuse is fun.

>However if you want the game to maintain a threat you cannot allow things like that.

It's not like restoration loop in Skyrim is an easy thing to pull off since the ingredients needed to do it are quite rare, and you'd still need a decently high alchemy skill.

>>15133021

Nah, it feels really great at least for me. Discovering an exploit, making your character a god, and fucking everything along my way without giving a shit give me a dopamine rush.

>>15133021

I had lots of fun doing +INT +MAGICKA buff stacking in Oblivion to make myself a literal god while they were active. You also have some freedom to combine effects in interesting ways in that game.

Oblivion let you stack invis until you were unseeable and every attack did 8x. Great game Todd.

>>15133008

>but bugs are not bad.

>fanboying shitty games this hard

Your mind on TES, everyone. Do you have personal opinions or do you just parrot what majority says here?

>>15133070

The problem with Oblivion is the exploits are too easy to achieve. Basically thoughtless and effortless, just find a random oblivion gate and grab the stone.

>>15133090

Really? Fuck I'll stay with vanilla.

Who ever played GTA for the story? It's just the same reason, without the cheats nobody would've bothered with that shitty game.

At what point does abusing corprus for str + end become overkill or unnecessary? 120? 150? 200?

>>15133000

Oblivion has 100% damage reflect, DR is for pussies

>>15133000

I remember an image floating around years ago on halchan's /tg/ detailing how a player had managed to enchant armor to give himself additional health but the suit of armor in question also reduced either his base health or some other stat meaning that if he took it off he would die.

I find things like that interesting because it was either unplanned by the developers, or they at least imagined a situation where players would force themselves into these unique situations. It also does make the world of the game overall feel a bit more fantastical when you can pull off unique stuff like that, just becoming a corpse bound inside a suit.

The games are about fucking around and doing whatever you want in a different world with different rules. The point is emergent gameplay, when that manifests itself you bleat about muh balance this and muh I make clever exploit wowee like it's supposed to impress anyone. It's not (vanilla) a multiplayer game and it's not particularly geared toward being difficult or combat in general tbh. If you restrict the ability to fuck around it has no point anymore, go play some shitty meme game you're convinced of the hxc difficulty of instead of wandering around in a forest DSPing out going WHOA I FOUND A FUCKING TREE WHAT THE HELL BETHESDA?

>>15133090

what the fuck is the point of Morrowind withoit exploiting wizardry

>>15133420

Muck farming, Guar herding, kagouti removal. Gathering comberries to make potions of drain fatigue so you can sleep at night without the fear of the blight keeping you awake. The game is best played as a ranching simulator.

>>15133006

Baldur's Gate II. It gets even whacker when you start multi/dual classing. Anyone remember kensai/mage?

>>15133434

Now there's a game that's actually shit.

>>15133434

Whackier*, remind me not to post before I drink coffee

>>15133437

Low effort trolling, back to halfchan :v) then again I posted in a TES thread, what did I expect?

>>15133444

Party based CRPG games were never anything but rancid garbage that became slightly better (positive entertainment value for me) when they turned into attack vectors for social justice against the soyim/(You).

>skyrim has restoration loop that lets you create ultra potions and enchant items that literally turn you invincible

You don't even need that shit, you just need to get Alchemy, Smithing, and Enchanting to 100, and with the appropriate perks, you can create armor and weapons that will outclass anything you ever come across.

>Rings that cover all types of magic defense

>Rings + armor combo that completely reduce the cost for casting magic

>Rings for waterbreathing if you're a tard who thinks it's novel to swim around in nothing forever

>Rings + armor combo that increase your DPS to absurd levels

>Ring that increases your carry weight

Granted, you have to carry around a small wardrobe, but you can effectively become invincible in any situation so long as you can stop to equip the items you need.

>Why are TES games the only games where total invulnerability is possible without using cheats?

It's not fun to be powerful if you're not given a potentially threatening challenge to overcome with said power. These games are dull, not entertaining. They're the kind of games you can play in your sleep.

>not modding the game to turn yourself into a superpowered loli in ballet heels

Am I actually on /v/?

>>15133807

>>15133276

Ah yeah, I know what that is. It's because the health is likely tied to an integer value, which has a cap of 2,147,483,647, and if they maybe used a short (which is probably more likely in this case), the max is 32, 767, so when you go over that, the computer loops it back down to the negative of that value.

It's a side effect of Bethesda programmers not thinking ahead, as usual. They should be clamping it.

>>15133276

He wanted to use keening or sunder without wraithguard, so he stacked a bunch of HP buffing armors. But since the health reduction effect was permanent he had to keep wearing that armor for the rest of the game(read: until his endurance stat catches up)

>>15133847

This is why I de-modded Morrowind Rebirth to bring souls back into summoned creatures.

>>15133276

>I remember an image floating around years ago on halchan's /tg/ detailing how a player had managed to enchant armor to give himself additional health but the suit of armor in question also reduced either his base health or some other stat meaning that if he took it off he would die.

>enchant armor to give himself additional health

>but the suit of armor in question also reduced either his base health or some other stat

>that if he took it off he would die

If you are talking about the guy who wore +health enchanted armor and used the wraithguard backdoor only to be forced to keep wearing the armor or die, then you completely massacred the story. That screencap gets posted all the time, and story is pretty memorable, especially if you played the game.

If I did not have to wait for replacement PC parts to arrive, I would post the screencap myself.

>>15133847

>The Golden Saint

Wait, was soul trapping summonable creatures considered abuse? I thought OP was talking about summoning Golden Saint, killing it, and looting its corpse before it vanishes.

>>15133090

Really?

>>15133008

If the game maintains a threat, it doesn't feel like you progressed at all.

>>15133807

That's not even close to what happened.

So there's an alternative path to completing the main quest if you fuck up hard. But it makes the gauntlet you have to wear take away some max health. The game makes you need a certain minimum hp before allowing you to do this method, but it can be circumvented by wearing enchanted armour that increases maximum hp. A particular anon used this method and discovered that taking off this health armour would kill him as his max hp would go into the negatives.

This thread is bait, but I’ll admit that more games ought to allow something similar.

What’s the point of owning a game if you can’t make literally everything in it your bitch?

>>15133832

That's only true if A: you're using the hacked-together Wraithguard in the alt path, and B: not using the unofficial patch which makes it damage HP instead of Max HP.

>>15133847

There is no way you can consider it balanced in its current form. Oblivion makes it somewhat fairer.

>>15133006

Elona Custom

>>15133008

Real life. Just make it to level 40 without ejaculating.

>>15134295 for >>15133006

>>15134307

That feel when I still haven't played TOEE because all NPCs are invisible on the GoG version I torrented

>>15134195

Who gives a fuck about balance? It's a single player RPG. You're basically missing the point of the thread in that OP thinks such things are fun.

>>15133000

>85% damage resistance

You could actually get 100% physical and magical dmg reflect and the only thing that could harm you was arrows.

>>15133239

Don't let your strength get too high or you'll end up breaking every weapon you use after one or two hits.

>>15133090

>lets remake the game on new engine

>but lets not remake the game, lets do our own stuff

What is the point?

>>15133006

>What games let you be an unapologetic god mode wizard without cheats?

There many such games. Let me list some. In Neverwinter nights 1 you could play sorcerer with 18 charisma and upon reaching max level you would get 6 different level 9 spells which you could cast 8 times per day. Stacking time stop lets you do some really crazy bullshit. In Hordes of Underdark expansion it gets even better. But your enemies also get much stronger so you feel much less powerful.

You can become crazy powerful in some of the HoMM 3 campaigns and big maps. If you spend time visiting every hero upgrade building on every map and learn every spell you can become completely unstoppable. And on top of that you will sometimes get campaign artifacts like Sword of Armageddon.

My personal favorite is I.V.A.N. roguelike. Instead of slinging cells you become some sort of magical cyborg by replacing your limbs with fantasy materials. But you have to choose materials very carefully or you will die horribly. So it is still fun even if you become so strong.

Special mention of Baldur's gate 2. You cant become godlike there, but all the crazy shit you can do with artifacts or magic is awesome. For example, by using spell reflecting cloak and shield of mind protection you can make all beholders kill themselves. Illithids there can kill any character easily but some summoned skeletons can easily kill Illithids because they are immune to magic and mind control. And there are many examples like that.

People who alchemy abuse might as well just use the soultrap glitch to give them perfect stats.

Super Metroid has the blue suit glitch, which lets you instantly kill anything you touch.

Dark Souls 2 lets you somewhat easily achieve 99% damage reduction in any one element, and with great difficulty, all elements.

>>15133090

Good.

You don't even need to abuse Skyrim hard as it's so poorly balanced even just regular high stat shit is broken. They don't do that intentionally, they just don't care.

I had some fun with some Oblivion mods that removes the 100 skill and spellcrafting limit.

>Create spell that increases one of your restoration by 200 for a second

>Create another spell that increases that restoration by 200 for as long as you want

>Cast the first spell to boost your magic skill

>The second spell now costs 2 magicka to cast

>Now you can cast a bunch of other overpowered restoration spells that boost your stats to ridiculous levels, cast any overpowered spell you want

>>15134723

>bows do 47% more damage

Most you can get is 29% without the loop, so you're wrong.

>>15134770

There was no restoration loop used.

>>15134770

alchemy enchant cap is 29 without sallow regent and ahzidals. archery base magnitude is 13, alchemy is 8, seems about right. I know I've gotten one-handed and two-handed up to 47 a piece before.

>>15134748

You don't even need to remove those limits. Just leveling up restoration to 100 lets you cast any spell. From there you just need to chain a whole lot of duplicate spells that increase your intelligence/willpower/magicka, which then results in a huge magicka pool that regenerates really quickly, which can then allow you to cast anything ridiculous like 10 HP/s restoration for 120 seconds, or reflect 100% for 66 seconds, or whatever. It's more involved to keep the buffs active, and of course restoration takes forever to max out, but that makes it more fun. Godhood must be earned.

>>15136647

>Didn't fortify skills

My favorite legitimate meme is 100 Jump for 1 sec with Icarian Flight.

I jumped and didn't come back down.

>>15136772

>You can become a lich

Fuck it

Reinstalling

>>15136282

Hearth Heal is probably one of the best starting spells in the game, it's cheap and relatively powerful. Between that and using a 1 cost restore 3 health spell between combats, it's not too hard to level restoration.

>>15136647

Why even bother with potions? Once you have sufficient intelligence, eating a single ingredient is enough to boost you to infinity. I ate a dreugh wax and had over a million strength for a week.

>>15133075

I've never played a TES game. Many bugs have been the foundation of great mechanics, especially in FPS and RTS. You are a retard if you think otherwise.

>>15133957

There should be harder enemies that you face later in the game that you cannot face early on. Progression should not invalidate all threat, unless we're talking 'I was strong enough to beat the hardest challenge in the game and decided to keep on leveling anyway'.

why do you need to break the game to have fun? are you a jew? this is what jews do with laws and finances

the Morrowind expansions are still relatively challenging with a lvl 20 character unless you really go all out with alchemy exploits

>>15136808

I think the only thing that can really be considered difficult in the DLC is the lich at the end of Tribunal.

>>15136816

I got raped by a sewer goblin once

I play on maximum difficulty though

>>15133276

Well, the easy way out of that is to enchant another item to bring your health up.

>>15136797

This was for Oblivion, where the spell level rates are fastest to slowest:

- Conjuration: 6.0

- Alteration: 4.0

- Illusion: 3.0

- Mysticism: 3.0

- Destruction: 1.2

- Restoration: 0.6

If you have no spellmaking you're limited further to the built-in spells which vary wildly in efficiency to re-cast, especially since some require a valid target. Of the built-in spells, Alteration has Open Very Easy Lock which can be spammed on boxes and that's one of the fastest magic skills to level. Destruction has basically nothing, while Restoration is the slowest to level and limited to an on-self effect. The best cantrip is a combined on-touch on-self spell since it'll use the faster "touch" animation, and block-cancelling makes it even faster.

>>15136835

I tried that once. If it just affected enemy damage I might've stuck with it but having everything be a damage sponge is tedious.

>>15136816

>DLC

It's called an expansion! Also that's hard but mostly on unofficial patches since it fixed the lich's level scaling that gives it more HP, magicka, and stamina based on your level. However it erroneously assigns all 3 gains to HP so it becomes an impossible wall without exploits if you leave it too long.

>>15136884

He can also level up further which increases you maximum HP. And again, in unofficial patches it just does temporary damage, like trying to pull the Master Sword in BotW.

>>15136907

Yeah.

>>15134307

Soylent boylet quiet your mouth pussy.

>>15136799

It's fun because it's a well earned breaking, not simply cheating.

>>15134307

Party based RPG is garbage, too much character management. Fallout 1 and 2's companions are much more of a hassle than fun.

>>15134741

The black sword makes you a god too.

>>15133090

Only if you picked the shit version.

There are forks that add it back in

>>15136835

I forget some of the tougher goblins.

>>15136907

>It's called an expansion!

Technically, it fell under both as it was available through digital distribution and via physical medium, and the use of DLC was just beginning to take off. I use the terms interchangably unless the DLC does not add to the main game, but adds different modes of play such as co-op or multiplayer maps. Those are DLC, not Expansions.

As Tribunal was almost entirely separate from Vvardenfell (adding two NPCs and the assassins to the main game), one might even consider it one of the earliest proto-DLC expansions.

I remember on the Xbox, having to use the regenerating health cheat as a werewolf to beat the lich, and it still took several tries. I was about level 37 and was not exactly optimised, and was playing as a Dunmer.

>>15137300

Source?

>tfw too stupid to figure out any of this stuff

Kill me.

>>15137348

Both Tribunal and Bloodmoon fall into traditional expansion in terms of distribution and content. Think for example like the ones for Quake and Hexen II. Nowadays Morrowind is only distributed digitally as its GotY edition with everything. Even Oblivion with its crappy DLC add-ons had a traditional expansion in the form of Shivering Isles, and arguably Knights of the Nine.

>>15137355

>make smart potion

>smart potion makes you smarter

>use increased smarts to make smarter potion

>repeat

not hard to grasp

>>15137414

It actually works because time is paused during potion creation, wouldn't the smart potion wear off before you could make another?

>>15137550

if time wasn't paused it'd just take longer