014b62 No.15125635
Have I reached the mines yet? Am I screwed yet?
87519d No.15126358
>>15125635
>Have I reached the mines yet?
I think these dwarf type enemies only occur in the mines, or at most in the mines and on the mountain. The game has the exact same wall textures all the time, so it's hard to tell where exactly you are. I can kind of justify in my head using the castle walls in the time (those are some incredibly well hewn mines), but when you get to the forest and the walls still look like this it gets absurd.
>Am I screwed yet?
Why would you be?
014b62 No.15126471
>>15126358
In the previous thread someone told me I'd be screwed when I reached the mines.
442eb6 No.15126487
>>15126471
I guess you haven't encountered the dark passages.
014b62 No.15126501
>>15126487
No but I think I have an idea what that will be like because I played Grimoire.
62cb7f No.15126534
>see thumbnail
>that looks like it could be fun
>nigger
>cyan garbage
014b62 No.15126558
>>15126534
You weren't even born when this game came out.
62cb7f No.15126585
>>15126558
Neither were you
e93262 No.15126671
>>15126659
I have not seen this image since like 2010.
62cb7f No.15126673
>>15126659
Surely you aren't 40 and still using imageboards, are you, anon?
b3cbaa No.15126686
>>15125635
>>15126358
The same textures being everywhere was the worst part of the game. If you don't mind restarting and aren't carrying that team into Wiz 7, the super famicom version of Wiz 6 was better about it. Has a fan translation and pretty much identical to the original in almost every way.
014b62 No.15126917
>>15126686
I might carry this party into 7 if I make it to the end. I can always try this when I do a second playthrough.
3aa5d0 No.15126933
Man, Wizardry is such a weird series. It's like they had literally zero budget for over a decade, still doing wireframe graphics in 88, and then suddenly they made some of the best looking ones around.
02daff No.15127034
The thing that always confused me about Wizardry was the reclassing system. Is it necesarry to reclass for your party to be viable or can you keep them as the same class for the whole game and do okay?
3aa5d0 No.15127104
>>15127034
It really depends on the game I think but I've beaten 6 and 8 without bothering with it.
eccea1 No.15127116
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
Recently watched this interview between some complete faggot interviewer and a co-founder of SirTech, Robert Sirotek. I found it interesting simply for the history, but I found the capitalistic reasonings behind design and direction decisions to be an insight I don't see regularly.
Embed related is the first of five for the interview.
The following links are hooktubes of the other parts, in order.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=0vPY5x0oSsI
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=kKQgDCbcJ1o
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=QPSzjRm484E
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=HS2GCyI9v7w
Don't give this channel a single view. Always bypass the clicks.
69c244 No.15127121
Shit, man, get some graph paper.
344f46 No.15127128
Oh shit, he even drew the shitty map with ruler and paper like a good goy. Play some actual videogames.
014b62 No.15127190
>>15127121
I don't have the right now.
I think I figured out a way to feel my way around the dark areas though. I'll draw dots to represent empty squares and count how many steps i take and draw a wall for each "ouch" I encounter.
>>15127128
>ruler
d78009 No.15127611
>>15127116
>shitting on Cleve
What a sape.
7d9e54 No.15127623
>>15127128
>those maps
>made with ruler
Don't worry anon, I'm sure Parkinson's disease will be cured some day.
87519d No.15128277
>>15127034
I beat 6 without reclassing, but I don't remember the difficulty I was playing at; I might have been on easy just to get the awful interface over with.
Reclassing is somewhat of a mess: you first have to meet the requirements of the class, then you change to that class and you stats drop all to the minimum for that class. This means if you used to be a strong fighter-type and change to a thief you'll be a wimpy little shit. You do get to keep your skills and HP though, so frequent reclassing allows you to learn a lot of different skills. Also, since you are level 1 again your EXP requirements are also the same as those of a new character, allowing you to gain levels very quickly when fighting strong enemies.
However, due to how random level-ups are, it is very hard to predict what classes you will be later able to change to. After becoming a thief there is the danger that you will never be able to become a high-tier fighter class again. At least without cheating. I did this in Wizardry 7, I opened the save file in a hex editor and removed and added stat points as I saw fit. Real hardcore Wizardry players instead reload after each level-up when they don't get the results they want.
695814 No.15129059
>>15126673
>Surely you aren't 40 and still using imageboards, are you, anon?
>he doesn't fucking know
270db5 No.15129152
>>15127121
I used MS Paint to make maps when I played through 1 to 4 but those had well defined level constraints.
87519d No.15130638
>>15126686
Thanks for the tip, with PC games I always assume that the console version is worse, particularly in the interface, but in this case it seems the interface is on par and graphics are much better. Is this the translation you mean?
https://www.romhacking.net/translations/939/
A shame that the translation is stuck at 99%, but I guess it's good enough. I walked around a bit on the first floor with one of the pre-made parties, it looks pretty solid. There is sadly no smoothing as you walk, but at least there is a one-frame flicker to give you the impression that you are walking instead of literally nothing like on the PC. And it has an auto-map, quite a life-saver.
>>15127116
>but I found the capitalistic reasonings behind design and direction decisions to be an insight I don't see regularly.
TL;DW?
eccea1 No.15131325
>>15127611
Saipans are incapable of learning
>>15130638
>TL;DW
I'll give you an example
>Devs want to make Wiz IV "the hardest game ever, hands down, bar none"
>Market man is very doubtful
>Wiz IV sells the worst of any game in company history
>Wiz V is not made with the intentions of being scrub killingly difficult
The guy being interviewed ended up as the marketing guy when he helped found the company, so there is more examples of shit that has to deal with the design decisions but I'm not going to list all of it.
But I'll give you one more off the top of my head
>Distributor decides that games should have boxes instead of just being shipped in bags, to make the product more appealing and attractive
>SirTech decides that's a good idea
>Wiz 1 ended up being the first game to be sold in a box
Small stuff here and there, sprinkled about.
7801b3 No.15131376
Anybody try the wandroid games on android app store. They claim to be wire frame wizardry like games. Wanted to here anons opinions on it
3aa5d0 No.15131389
>>15131325
It's a shame that 4 was so obtuse because the idea of flipping the perspective like that was pretty cool and probably the first example of a monster party in a video game.
442eb6 No.15131408
>>15131325
Games were shipped in bags,
442eb6 No.15131411
>>15131408
Add a question mark at the end
3aa5d0 No.15131419
>>15131408
>>15131411
A lot of the old order from catalog ones were, yes. The box art for the Ultima games in particular weren't actually made until they were rereleased on I think Commodre 64 or something years after they came out originally.
442eb6 No.15131422
>>15131419
Interesting history
966e15 No.15131454
>>15131419
I don't remember anything coming in bags back then. '70s games I can remember were all boxes, and then the hardened cardboard folders popular in the early '80s for floppy-based games. I didn't get shit in bags until tradeshow shareware became a thing.
eccea1 No.15131455
>>15131389
>It's a shame that 4 was so obtuse
Absolutely not. There needs to be at least one beatable game that was designed for "EXPERT PLAYERS ONLY".
>probably the first example
While I would like to agree, while watching interviews I've noted that the creators have an aversion to make that claim, and always say "one of the first". I don't know what other games they have in mind that did it first, but it's clear to me that they don't think it quite hit being the first in that regard.
eccea1 No.15131458
>>15131454
I should have clarified, this was for computer games not console
Double post sage
966e15 No.15131462
>>15131458
Those are computer games. I'm talking about computers.
eccea1 No.15131468
>>15131462
I should have clicked your image.
I guess the history on this is not what I thought. More to learn.
3aa5d0 No.15131471
>>15131454
Ultima was literally made by a teenager in his closet while his girlfriend awkwardly watched him to no romantic avail. It didn't exactly have the budget to get a boxed release.
eccea1 No.15131478
>>15131468
>>15131462
Actually no fuck you the VIC-20 came out the same year as Wizardry. Post an older example.
966e15 No.15131684
>>15131478
It came out a year before, but anyway. There were older games where they used to come in plastic with the manual acting as the cover but I can't find any pics of them in their natural form. People list the Scott Adams stuff as 'box' but I remember them first being in plastic. The later releases were definitely boxes.
966e15 No.15131824
>>15131478
>>15131684
Fucking hell it's impossible to find this stuff even though it's not from long ago. I'd like to show you exactly what they looked like in the '70s but I can't find a side or open view with the date on it. The best I can do is the cover from the trash-80 version from the '70s and then a view of the same thing open but the 1981 release showing how they were put together. Source for the 1979 art:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/adventureland/cover-art/gameCoverId,90232/
87519d No.15137239
>>15131325
> Distributor decides that games should have boxes instead of just being shipped in bags, to make the product more appealing and attractive
Ah right, I remember the story about how Akalabeth (precursor to Ultima) was sold in ziplock bags. Richer Garriot literally just spent 200$ on floppy discs and bags, went home, copied the game onto the floppies, photocopied the manual, stuck it all in the bags and brought them to the computer store to be sold locally.
Can you imagine this happening today? Some weirdo buying 200$ worth of empty USB sticks at the electronics store and coming back the next day with the sticks in a plastic bag and some photocopied "cover art" he drew himself and expecting the store to sell it for him? How times have changed.
014b62 No.15138507
>>15137239
Well, now we've got Steam to peddle all the crap we throw together in our bedroom over the weekend.
3aa5d0 No.15138518
>>15137239
>he drew himself
His mom drew the old covers actually.
4ca8ae No.15138745
>>15127611
>Cleve finally releases his meme game 30 years later
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW, ROBERT???
4ca8ae No.15138757
>>15127116
>Don't give this channel a single view.
>but please watch this exclusive interview
Matt Chat is based you assfuck. Literally the only guy who convinces all these ancient PC legends to Skype and talk about when they made games.
91df55 No.15139005
>>15138757
>muh based e-celeb
I agree with your point but try not to sound like a redditor
4ca8ae No.15139075
>>15139005
There's no part of him that is "e-celeb," even jokingly. But he does a valuable service of interviewing these legends when the current enthusiast press doesn't even know they exist, let alone how important they are. That was probably Robert's last interview, considering how old & withered he is.
b57a38 No.15139964
>>15138745
>30 years later
It only took him 25 years, melonhead.
8c07b5 No.15140030
>>15127190
Notepads are cheap. Are you destitute or lazy as fuck?
eccea1 No.15140768
>>15131824
Thanks for the info
>>15138757
That's nice but I don't support cam whores
a05264 No.15141201
>>15139075
>a valuable service
never meet the people you look up to nor strive to understand what's going on in their heads,they tend to dissapoint
54afcb No.15142174
On the subject of dungeon crawlers: Are there any good dungeon crawlers on iOS?
I got my hands on an iPad recently wouldn't mind playing a point-and-click dungeon crawler on it. Are there any good ones or are all of them micro-transaction and ads-ware AIDS?
677928 No.15142209
>>15142174
Pic related is excellent.
54afcb No.15142260
>>15142209
I did a search for Wizardry on the app store but all I saw was a game filled with moon runes subtitled "Prisoners of the Battles".
c57c61 No.15142413
>>15141201
>anon makes valid points
>reply in objection
>cherry pick sentiment for greentext
>expand neither on what's objectionable about anon's post nor why the specific text was quoted
>attach romanticization of video game discourse as if it includes the arguments omitted
>it doesn't
>presume to advise anon despite everything previously listed
Holy shit, you're an actual retard!
35bf06 No.15142433
>>15130638
> And it has an auto-map, quite a life-saver.
There's an auomap mod for the DOS version:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/wizardry-6-automap-mod
014b62 No.15142604
>>15140030
I am lazy as fuck.
4ca8ae No.15142782
>>15141201
that's alright, I greatly enjoy the Matt Chat interviews with Richard Garriott, Robert Woodhead, Brenda Romero, Robert Sirotek & Brian Fargo.
e3bdda No.15142947
>>15142413
>be retarded
>make this post
>anythingexceptadressingthepoint.png
the point is valid,your gay
97a20f No.15143047
>>15137239
>Can you imagine this happening today?
No, because all the local stores are dead and every other store has to listen to some major executive that decides what every store should have, making shopping into a generic shitfest that's just not worth it anymore, all the stores have the same shit and same prices.
e03020 No.15143065
>>15142433
>VLC
>Firefox
>TOR
>Windows Media Player
>Wolfenstein
>is that fucking uTorrent I see?
e03020 No.15143068
>>15143065
Oh nevermind, I didn't see that was the screenshot given in the moddb page. Forgive me
fe8a4c No.15143084
>>15142433
Remove firefox and install waterfox or palemoon. Stop using VLC and windows media player and get media player classic instead. Stop using TORah and find some non-jewish proxy/vpn.
>>15143071
>tor is good
Its owned by jews.
Even before we found out its owned by jews its tracked by NSA for a long time already.
They openly ban right wing websites while defending pedoshit.
fe8a4c No.15143097
>>15143068
And thanks to my own blindness I didn't see your second post as well. I guess we're equal. Except for c8d1b6.
041ab3 No.15143148
>>15142413
Nope. Everything >>15141201 was valid.You're the retard.
9d58c0 No.15143156
>>15143084
>They openly ban right wing websites while defending pedoshit.
They openly bitch and whine about right wing websites while not being able to do shit about it. This is the same card that lets Tor have pedo shit while Tor's developers aren't responsible for it, because it's a network not a website.
Have you ever used Tor at least once in your life? You clearly don't understand how it works because no person has the ability to prevent individual clients from connecting to certain onion sites.
fe8a4c No.15143161
>>15143156
You're being free shill for corporation that wants you dead and your children sold to traffickers.
9d58c0 No.15143201
>>15143161
>doesn't even bother debating what I've said, screams about pedos
If you're so mad about Tor's devs being cucks why don't you setup an onion site devoted exclusively to cataloging the A. Wyatt Mann cartoons and trolling the fuck out of them? They can't do shit if you do that
f0025c No.15143236
>>15143084
>They openly ban right wing websites while defending pedoshit.
c57c61 No.15143324
>>15142947
>>15143148
>we are two unique posters every bit as retarded as the original anon
>we also both just happened to casually enter a thread for a niche genre, ignore every on-topic post, get offended by you specifically, then decide to post nuh-uhs in defense of our fellow retard
Works for me.
041ab3 No.15143400
>>15143324
I'm not going to let you be wrong.
e3bdda No.15143572
File: 7b2ecd689579396⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 140.57 KB, 470x405, 94:81, 6z8pbdb41a3f9889917425d532….png)
>>15143324
i on the other hand am not gonna be so magnanimous as anon here >>15143400
suck it long and suck it hard
6fe584 No.15144688
>>15143161
He's talking about the technology not the company, why are you unable to stop conflating the two?
cc425b No.15146365
>>15143065
VLC is the best. Nothing else is needed.
87519d No.15147338
>>15142433
That only works with a custom build of DOSBox and only on Windows.
966e15 No.15147496
>>15146365
VLC can't even play mp3s without pitch shifting them to fuck.
cc425b No.15147530
>>15147496
Fuck mp3s. Normalnigger.
6c5d54 No.15152720
>>15131408
In Canada games come in bags.
483acd No.15159586
Why don't you play a proper cRPG you can have fun with like Might and Magic 6?
The Graphics don't give you eye cancer.