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Although the ability to die will be just a prevent in Fallout 76 as it has been in previous titles, Bethesda has adapted this to the multiplayer aspect of the game:

"Death isn’t supposed to be a super negative thing. You don’t lose your progression, you don’t lose all your stuff, somebody can’t kill you and then take everything in your inventory [and then you have to] start over. Think of PvP more like issuing a challenge to somebody as opposed to just, ‘no matter what I want to do to somebody, I can’. “The game only lets that go so far before you can basically say, ‘I don’t want to participate in this challenge anymore."

Hines concluded by saying the company is aware that power trip players could be an issue for others and that developers have already put measures in place to stop it becoming a reality. As some solace to rookie players trying out Fallout for the first time, opponents should be seen as slightly stronger Deathclaws from Fallout 4. When players respawn and are given the opportunity to try again or run for the hills, Hines reiterated, "They can’t keep coming after you, just like that Deathclaw wouldn’t come running across the map and keep chasing you."

For anyone worrying they could be singled out while a group of higher-level Raiders continuously strip them of their possessions, Fallout 76's mechanics are making a fairer gaming experience. That isn't to say that all Vault Dwellers will be equal, but it at least gives a level playing field to try and prevent cyberbullying. As Fallout 76 heads into its beta testing in the near future and launches on the Xbox first, PvP combat is likely to be one of the first things that will need a little fine-tuning. Thankfully, there is plenty of time to iron out the kinks before Fallout 76 gets its full launch on Windows PC, PlayStation 4, and Xbox on November 14.

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What's the fucking point then.

Jesus Christ what a hugbox.

let me nuke the carebears or no buy pirate / 10

Remember when you were able to have fun in a video game?

>>15080046

fun is a social construct made to perpetuate white/male/cis supremacy

>>15079987

Tell me more sweat little lies todd

>>15079974

>>15079970

Can we have an option to have a full PVP experince will full progression and itme loss?

Can we have a reall fallout experince and not some truncated mass market bullshit?

I already have plans to make a raider group with friends. thats 4 copies sold right there. nightly patrols trying to find vault dwellers and other goody two shoes. one has already picked a sniper role so our gola in the first day of game play is to get sniperbro the best sniper rifle we can and then just let him snipe.

what kid of game play is there going to be if not a brutal post apocalyse world?

seriously we need an option for hardcore long time gamers to play for keeps and let the normal players have thier hug box.

this feels like some ready player one shit; the setting of the game is a world where jews have used the samson option and destroyed the world yet their ghost still haunts the wasteland preventing any natural way of life from ever returning aka pvp. the only bullying here is that of the consumer

>>15080057

continued, it looks like a camper's paradise. find some good spots with good sight lines near resources and blam blam.

are there mobs, can we aggro mobs and lead them into players?

what do I get for killing a human player?

how long do mines stay active?

>>15079987

President Truman, is that you!?

I don't get it. Are they saying that this is an antibullying heaven because it's not a battle royale? So what? You can still do everything else you could do in every other multiplayer game before BR became a meme.

>when you see a person in our game, it's a real person

so this is just No Man's Fallout now?

>>15080057

They tried that with Rust. Rust used to be a brutal, unforgiving experience, but the devs are huge redditors and the redditor crowd cried whiny bitch tears nonstop until they made raiding more or less impossible due to the amount of farming required. Seems with this one, they are skipping the whole 'short period of brutality' like Rust had and skipping straight to hugbox.

>>15079970

>Players can't fuck with each other

What's the point?

>>15080081

To be honest I just wanted to play as an antag against my friends who take stuff like this too seriously.

>>15080081

What if loss is part of an experience? Having no skin in the game doesn't get your heart rate up. I remember getting raided in Rust because I had shitty neighbors and I was able to foil their plot but the ordeal was nervewracking. If I knew they couldn't do shit I wouldn't care.

>>15080088

It has been for a while now.

>>15080075

the grave just got dug deeper

>>15080081

Griefers will always find a way. All it means is that the game will suck

>>15079974

so playing a multiplayer FPS is cyberbullying now?

>>15080101

It'll be like Serious Sam 3 or that one racing game where the maps are the size of Colorado but completely empty outside of the fixed track and filled with invisible walls.

>>15080103

>need special features to allow them to do basic shit without ragequitting like a fag.

I'm seeing a lot of that from salty griefer fags like you mad that they wont get to be an anti-social prick.

Haven't had tears this tasty since the election.

>>15080114

r u greefen me rite now?

>>15080105

We're too adaptable for cucked devs to keep up with.

>>15079970

Based. I just wanna build with my friends.

>>15080120

>Haven't had tears this tasty since the election.

>implying I was ever considering buying this game in the first place

Project harder and enjoy getting findom'd by Bethesda.

What's the difference between being a drug-addled raider cunt and a griefer? You're roaming around looking to steal shit either way. This sounds critically retarded.

>A game whose premise is a post apocalyptic world where you loot your enemies, doesn't allow you to loot people you've killed.

It doesn't say you don't get anything from it but that you can't take all the stuff they have. Not a game designer but If I were to implement something, I'd do a grade range drop either on area or levels. After death, low qualities equal to the relative skill level or level of the area would only drop all items within that grade range. The grade range increases at it goes into areas where mroe experience would be needed to survive. This would also prevent griefing to an extent since being a higher level will not yield much from killing low level players. Don't they think that there could be a risk-reward factor to only carrying what you need like with Dark Souls for souls but with items for Fallout? That seems like it could be interesting instead of what 76 is shaping up to be.

If they were going to do this level of no-fun sandbox, they should have turned it into Fallout Gentlemen 1876 where we have friendly challenges by throwing gloves at each other and having fair duels for items which this seems to suggest with challenges.

If you watch that NoClip documentary Godd Howard is actually the one who wanted to see how it pans out before dumbing it down, Pete Hines is the retard here as usual.

>>15080114

Not really. You can have greifers staged in areas. Kill stupid people, hack to fly across the map, etc.

Bethesda is still trying to make shitty MMOs?

>>15080178

He probably bought two 4-packs so he can guilt trip his "friends" into playing with him.

>>15080062

Best part, spending time to improve on a game is a mental illness.

>>15080186

>Also, why the fuck would you betatest on xbox only?

Because Microshaft were the ones who waved the biggest wad of cash around, I reckon.

>>15079970

>regular experience becomes more watered down to prevent griefing

>griefing still happens anyways because bethesda is retarded and griefers are infinitely more clever

there will always be a way to ruin the "experience" for someone else even if it means aggroing a death claw and kiting it all the way to some noob's base.

>>15080208

Have you ever posted on /v/ before?

>>15079974

>>15079970

But what if I just go up to someone with a cracked copy and start voicespamming, knowing full well they can't mute me cause they're too dumb to do that?

>playing the game is cyberbullying

really though this seems kind of like a nothingburger, just further casualization of the series as expected

It doesn't sound like there are any real anti-griefing measures being implemented. Bethesda knows that if they took that away the game would lose what little appeal the game has left.

>>15080249

>>15080239

Stop enabling these kind of faggots. They are ironically larping to be anti-griefing for some reason, or something worse. I don't know where the fuck these assholes come from, just ignore them.

They said summer was just a meme.

>>15080286

>hey are ironically larping to be anti-griefing for some reason,

maybe the reason is because not everyone is an autistic who can't have positive interactions with people.

>>15080304

>implying griefing and positive social interactions are mutually exclusive

What if you just want to have fun with your buddies pubstomping normalfags? Is the positive interaction you have with your mates somehow less important than how you interact with random fuckwads?

Where is the line drawn between pvp and "harassment"? Because that's a vague as fuck distinction when everyone has a different level of engagement.

>>15079970

>Living, breathing ecosystem

So it will have plants and animals that will propagate and mutate over the world? Oh, you're just using a buzzword.

>>15080320

>>15080335

>>15080404

Phase-through player models, you know they'll do it.

>>15080142

>So will nukes not destroy camps and settlements?

They will, but towns and settlements exist in a sort of "pocket dimension" where they can be folded up and put into a kit - so if your town/base is destroyed, you just re-deploy your kit and everything magically appears again as if nothing happened.

>>15080424

Of course they'll do it. You'd be able to box someone in a confined space if there wasn't

>>15080409

heh, okay kid…….

Why not just do what runescape did with the Wilderness and it's skull-system?

A harsh area where you can pvp if you want to but it also has some neat pve stuff for those willing to take the risks and then you have the kiddie hugbox on the other side.

>>15080207

>Best part, spending time to improve on a game is a mental illness.

Best part is, wanting to chop your dick off, get implants, and do MMA against women is no longer a mental illness.

>>15080424

Used to be the trick was to kite an enemy to block stuff off for you, since they're usually rigid. So you just sit there, holding aggro and taking chip damage while other players try in futility to kill it. Of course that only works if the game has KS prevention, which is a toss-up.

>>15080449

Because they'll cry about content being locked away from them for not wanting to PvP.

Soon they'll be complaining MMOs shouldn't have levels because they don't want to play the game to 'experience all the content' or some shit.

>>15079974

>somebody can’t kill you and then take everything in your inventory

Then what the fuck is the point of having pvp to begin with?

>Think of PvP more like issuing a challenge to somebody

US there anyone at all in all of humanity who considers that actually fun in an MMO? Is there a single person who is pro-pvp who thinks "yeah that's alright"? This is effectively removing pvp completely and only keeping it in so they can check the pvp box in their marketing.

The only solution is to make characters that are black and enrich the shit out of people playing

>>15080490

Dude yes

>Waves of nigs raiding settlements, if not by breaking and taking then by standing around spouting nonsense

>Block off all the important NPCs and tables

>Report anyone who reacts for racism

>If the game starts forcing you out go full tumblr and call racism

This will never work. Hell, this reminds me of that lego mmo that went defunct trying to stop people from building dicks.

>>15080505

Considering the beta might let you in, even if you cancel your pre-order I don't see how we can't just raid the beta and do it without actually paying for it

>>15080074

Rust and games like it are actually fucking retarded though. Always were. Those "raids" just involved looking for holes to climb through into people's bases while they were offline. Actual combat was rare, and most of the time when combat does happen, the attacking group will just leave and come back when the defenders aren't on the server. Any kind of persistent world pvp is always going to be fundamentally broken because no one is going to be on literally 24 hours a day.

>>15080512

The elder scrolls one.

>>15080449

>>15080474

We should really make a thread about the way mmos and other online games have gotten bland as fuck, because of trying to please everybody. Not just balancing PvP vs PvM, or having PvP/In character/"free" zones or servers, or just banning anything that is not liked by some loud youtube fucker. I have a lot of built up shit about the topic, so I'll probably make a thread this weekend. Sage for obvious reasons.

>>15080474

Oh yeah there's allways that…

They could throw in a shit-ton of 'penalties' for trying to pvp/gank/grief to discourage people doing so and they'd still throw a fit when their dumb ass got sniped because they were dumb ass shit niggers goin' on solo decked in their best gear deep in the dangerous corners of the Wasteland.

Then again modern mmo's actively discourage people from creating communities so it's no wonder casuals are what they are these days…

>>15080527

Doesn't Elder Scrolls Online use the Hero Engine? The same engine used for fucking TORtanic?

>>15079974

If they did not want to have death be so negative, then why bother having it at all? They don't have to make you lose everything. They could have just made you take a hit to your money, some weapons getting taken away, and/or losing durability for all your items.

>>15080424

This is Bethesda we are talking about here. Even with phasethrough models, you'd probably need only two or three players squatting on top of a mission critical switch for anyone else incapable of activating the switch instead of the squatters.

>>15080557

>some weapons getting taken away, and/or losing durability for all your items.

I like how runescape did it, if you werent the aggressor in pvp you wouldn't get the "skull" on top of you and upon dying sure you'd drop loot but you'd keep 3 of your most expensive items with you which i think could be upped to 4 with the prayer of protection skill.

However for the aggressor who'd get he skull tag he'd drop everything and if i remember correctly attacking them wouldn't incur the skull tag on you so active pvpers pretty much had huge targets over their heads saying

>"Smack me, i'm a loot pinata!"

>>15080539

it does use the hero engine but it somehow works for them

>>15080527

Except ESO wasn't made by Bethesda, it was a different studio Zenimax Studios (Not Zenimax Media)

This game is being designed inhouse Bethesda, so prepare for the horrible glitches on an outdated engine with reused assets that most likely won't be able to properly handle this level of a multiplayer experience

>>15079974

>>15079970

So, basically It's an mmo/fps where you can't actually shoot anyone?

>>15079970

I think they should have a simple report or karma system where if you accumulate too much evil "pvp" karma you get flagged for being a griefer and restricted to containment servers with the rest of the KOS kiddies.

>Accept a challenge

>Start losing

<waaaahh I don't want to challenge you any more! *click* PvP between us is now OVER

Video games, huh? Video games.

games.

>>15080671

F4 didn't have karma.

>>15080437

then what's the fucking point.

>>15079970

>As Fallout 76 does away with NPCs and looks to only include robots

fug, i knew the code was so damn shitty that they just removed all the NPC's and will only use robots or screens to tell you what to do

>>15080746

>Gary Numan.jpg

>shill thread doesn't get derailed into trap/futa/loli/furry/whatever fucking porn

Board is dead.

>>15080584

I want to fuck the cat.

>>15079970

morrowind is better than every other game this shitty company has ever made.

>>15080806

>what is daggerfall

>>15080825

What happened to the "DO AS YOU WANT CUZ A PIRATE IS FREE"?

>>15080081

why are people that post samurai jack maymay images the biggest fucking faggots

>>15080839

morrowind is still better than daggerfall. it goes like this:

morrowind > daggerfall > FO3 > FO2 > dogshit > the maggots infested the dogshit > eveything else

>>15080717

First you remove the RPG elements and item conditions, next you remove all NPCs, next we just get a heightmap.

>>15080525

>no one is going to be on literally 24 hours a day

It used to be like that in the '90s. Koreans would defend their castle in Lineage 1 on rotations 24/7 and call everyone up if an attempted siege happened at night. When they released Lineage 1 in the US they figured we were too weak to handle that so they added a system where you could choose the time per day (IIRC it was 1 hour) when your castle could be sieged. They could do the same for games like Rust.

Story time: They patched that 1hr thing into all versions of Lineage rather than just the US version. Koreans were furious that we were the carebear cancer ruining video games so started raiding and genociding the longpigs. They first swarmed Lineage castles on the US server and set them all to siege times when the US was asleep. Then they started raiding other games. They'd roll through Ultima Online servers dozens to a group all with the same look: mounted, straw hat, and a bit of red, laughing "KEKEKE" as they butchered anyone in their path. It was pretty cool, actually. Back before the war on testosterone when men knew how to deal with a cultural threat.

>>15080825

>>15080868

Well, at least they're honest that democracies are much like a pirate's ship, full of pox, vitamin deficiency, ill-gotten gains and disloyal mutineers.

>>15079970

>>15079974

>all that fucking text to say you can't loot from dead players

hopefully in server creation you can alter this but who fucking knows.

>>15080939

Seems like they want to transition ESO players to 76 while adding FO player, the gullible ones, into this.

Want to see how Beth will handle modding, since it was confirm to be in the game.

>>15080974

It's extremely obviously going to be Bethesda.net only - and if it's not Paid Mods at first, it'll absolutely transition to Paid Mods Only once they feel they've got enough of a foothold.

This will then transition to Starfield to do the same and TES6 to finish it all off. They must really believe that the modders will go along, paying off the most prominent if need be.

>rumors that the game will be four times bigger than the other Fallout entries

>rumors

Todd said those exact words on stage. They aren't rumors. They're probably lies though.

>>15080974

They'll ban modders. Remember, according to Pete Hines, if you mod before the official mod tools are released and special permission given to you by Bethesda - then you are a hacker, and hackers will get banned as cheaters.

Eventually, I'm sure they will allow private servers for modding as they say, but by then - nobody is going to give a shit since there will be nothing of worth to mod and the game will be firmly established as not being for modders. FO4's mod scene is already dead, and this has even less content to work with - and likely even more core functions of the Creation Kit removed (such as dialogue options necessary for quests). It'll be a huge fucking mess of incompatibilities as well, meanwhile Bethesda can sell people on paid mods - of which they're largely just cosmetic garbage and EVERYTHING is downloaded to your system with each new update to ensure compatibility and encourage sales of content (you already have downloaded but don't have access to) - which your friends are using.

>>15080986

>They must really believe that the modders will go along, paying off the most prominent if need be.

They will. Of course they will. Didn't Elionora or whatever her name is and a bunch of other modders go to Bethesda's E3 conference and get highlighted on camera cheering and applauding Bethesda's 76 announcements?

>>15080783

Sage negated.

stop deleting my posts you fat faggot kike.

>>15081065

Is that a man or a woman?

>>15080075

doctored picture, that is fake but not for long

>>15080873

>Could you imagine a mmo ready player one game?

You're playing it right now.

>>15081078

>Is that a man or a woman?

That's Elianora, one of the most "acclaimed" ES&FO modders - and also firmly entrenched in creating paid mods for Creation Club outsourcing now last I heard.

>>15081141

That's because all she makes are good looking houses and clothes. Of course she'd want to hock that shit on the Creation Club, it's exactly the kind of stuff they'd want on there.

>>15081141

>>15081168

Took a quick look in her mods, I'm glad she made nothing of actual value (perhaps a few mergers of other people's mods but still) and almost exclusively made these for Skyrim and FO4. Still, it's easy to see others will follow suit, easily swayed.

>>15079974

What happened to player-agency Bethesda?!!!

>>15081271

They want to be the player agency.

Literally if you take a look at the quest markers, first introduced with Oblivion.

>>15080916

Never played Battlespire?

It's basically what they will give us. Imagine a buggy fucking mess, but also online.

>>15081270

The necromancer home was pretty sweet, I have to admit. Almost all of her houses are more style than substance, though.

>>15081186

There is absolutely no doubt there will be microtransactions and a "ghoul" mode. You should have added "Battle Royale" as well.

>Microtransactions

Your build space too small? Well gee you could just pay a little more and get a muuuuch bigger space.

Woops! Looks like your inventory is full! How about springing some cash for membership for expanded bag privileges?

Thats some fine power armor, but it looks -just-like-everyone-elses- You should try your luck with our exclusive and VERY LIMITED Power Armor Paintjob Vault Box! You could get the incredibly rare Glowing Vaultboy Power Armor Skin, what fun!

>Zombie Mode

Feral ghouls are on the rise! Watch out! Kill as many as you can or become one in our totally-not-a-washed-down-L4D Clone!

>Battle Royale

Just battle royale, c'mon.

Map shrinks, no power armor, locked off parts of the map are nuclear wastelands that are impossible to last longer than a few seconds in. Why else do you think we wanted such a big map? Just to add this as a "bonus" mode for our "DLC" pack.

>>15081281

I don't like Todd as my dungeon master for a 6th fucking time.

>>15081297

We can expect that to happen for certain, but Bethesda will of course let the modding community actually make the assets to Beth has to do almost nothing at all themselves. That way even if this experiment fails completely, they will have made only mild losses.

>>15080848

For what it's worth, old school pirates actually did have self-imposed codes of discipline that kept everything running smoothly (usually about who gets how many shares and what the penalties are for causing trouble). Naturally, being incompetent was drastically more likely to see you getting killed, code be damned, but the laws were generally otherwise followed.

Privateers in particular usually had additional restrictions through the Letter of Marque that gave them immunity to prosecution in their sponsoring country as long as they conducted themselves in a certain way when raiding (such as conduct regarding unarmed people and civilians) and didn't raid the vessels of their sponsoring country.

>>15081326

I have a feeling mods will be handled like TF2's community garbage. Submit it, lock away in a lootbox. It'd go well for how that one bitch at Bethesda planned on removing nude mods from future Fallout games.

>>15080525

You played with boring people then, because once you were on a server for a couple days, you should more or less know all the big groups, especially the big ones around you. Then you would go harass them while they are online, and they you. Sometimes your base would get hit, but if you have a decent team (4 or so people), you could get rebuilt within an hour, and figure out who probably hit you. If you built bases right, it would be pretty damn hard in old Rust to get everything, especially if you have a couple turbo autists in your group. Rust with a group, is one of my most cherished gaming experiences, even for all its numerous flaws. NuRust sucks.

>>15081300

More like Pete

>>15080869

He might mean NV because many people consider it to be the true 3.

>>15079974

how long will it be before games actually start rewarding you for dying?

>>15080868

RL pirate ships worked as a democracy. Crew members used to vote for things like the new captain and shit like that. That's why mutinies were so rare.

>>15080081

give me your beans

>>15080656

This but not marked as a griefer but as a raider. if you kill enough people perhaps there could a bonus to killing you or robot generated misson to kill certain infamous players.

I don't want to set the world on fire, i JUST WANT TO START A FIRE IN YOUR BASE.

>>15081447

Foot-In-The-Door for Bethesda.Net as the only place for mods, paid mods for that matter. Aside from that, it's to find a way to jump on yesterday's bandwagon for easy shekels.

>>15081486

I hope for 10000 more newsroom shootings.

>>15080081

This lol

>>15081525

I mean it was like a mind break hentai thing. They fuck you up and enslave you and then they give you actual pirate work, apparently you ended up liking it.

They used the pent up frustrations of slave work to make you kill people.

>>15079970

>Trying to create the ultimate echo chamber for faggots

Watch as this shit crumbles down in the worst possible manner just like Communism did to USSR. I'm sure 76's multiplayer is going to be worse of a community that any assfaggots or deathmatch FPS out there.

>>15081525

You're getting pirates and navies mixed up. The Royal Navy press ganged people because it treated them like shit. Pirates were often former navy sailors who'd decided to ply the trade they'd learned for their own profit rather than the Crowns.

>>15080320

>player ingnore option

>if you check box ignored player disappears from your instance

checkmate griefers

oh no looks like youll have to bully the old fashioned internet way

through conversation. guess youre fucked

>>15081553

Because it's fake swearing. The characters aren't actually swearing, they're following a script. But actually swearing yourself is deviant behavior that should be discouraged.

Solution: Don't play Fallout 76 because it'll be shit regardless.

>>15081563

>The characters aren't actually swearing, they're following a script

Which contains swears that they read aloud to the player.

>>15080868

Well it was actually a thing. Piracy was voluntary. They had elections, laws, even welfare (wounded got more loot). And unlike Royal Navy sailors pirates could leave ship in the ports. It was real ancap.

>>15080081

Thanks to parents and the educational system completely failing to teach children and teens the reality of life, natural law, etc; it's become imperative that griefers and bullies fix these wrongs.

It takes time and experience to realize this, but the valuable lessons learned by this behavior greatly outweighs the negatives of a 'ruined experience'.

>>15081548

> Pirates were often former navy sailors who'd decided to ply the trade they'd learned for their own profit rather than the Crowns.

Most pirates were basically mercenaries, and sold their services to whatever crown paid them best to harass the trade routes and supply lines of their enemies. That's why they're also called privateers.

And pirates engaged in impressment as well, it's just that the US couldn't propagandize the impressment of it's citizens by freelancers as a justification to invade Canada.

>>15081447

Bethesda is trying to get into the "games as a service" market. They'll play gatekeeper to mods and keep shitting out new content and microtransactions.

Don't expect this to go away anytime soon unless its a total flop (which it won't be).

>>15081572

>Be 12

>Finally get cooking to like 40, what an accomplishment

>Can't be member because mom says she won't use her credit card online

>Find the one bandit camp in the wilderness

>Holy shit, respawning pizza ingredients, I'm going to farm so much XP

>Make like 15 pizzas in a half hour

>Someone comes by and I beg him not to kill me because I'm just cooking

>Die anyways

>>15081594

> That's why they're also called privateers.

No no no.

Privateers were legit.

>A privateer is a private person or ship that engages in maritime warfare under a commission of war.[1] The commission, also known as a letter of marque, empowers the person to carry on all forms of hostility permissible at sea by the usages of war, including attacking foreign vessels during wartime and taking them as prizes. Historically, captured ships were subject to condemnation and sale under prize law, with the proceeds divided between the privateer sponsors, shipowners, captains and crew. A percentage share usually went to the issuer of the commission. Since robbery under arms was once common to seaborne trade, all merchant ships were already armed. During war, naval resources were auxiliary to operations on land so privateering was a way of subsidizing state power by mobilizing armed ships and sailors.

So privateers were safe in the country that gave them letter of marque, until they followed letters rules.

Actual pirates were outlaws who had no letter of marque and from the legal point of view they should be attacked and executed by everyone military if possible. Of course there could be unspoken agreements. Like English ship A mutinied and started capturing English ships but letting French go so French navy doesn't pursue them but at the same time not giving ship A official letter of marque. And at any time French can attack pirate ship A if it suites them (like taking their rich loot). What is not so in case of privateers.

>>15079974

Conclusion: you get dunked on until you're btfo and have to bitch out. Still doesn't address the problem of getting nuked or having parts of your map get nuked - it'd be even fucking sillier if you saw a town get obliterated and sat back down in a couple of hours to see it as if it were never touched by atomic fire.

>>15081643

rest in pepperoni

>>15081643

I had the same experience, except with crafting and gold ore.

>>15081711

thats nothing alike. killing a pizza man is just senseless

>>15081693

Nah, Privateers were pirates, they were just endorsed by the government to let them do their thing, but only against the crown's enemies, so that they could avoid being arrested, for a cut of the profits.

>>15081715

Nah, my XP/hour would have been like, 1/100th of what it could have been if I knew better and just bought all my shit from Falador or Varrock trade worlds and grinded it out, but whatever.

That does kinda make me sad though, how old games have all these areas for activities, but they're completely ignored because it's not optimal

>>15081715

his one flaw was being reckless when it came to acquiring the best ingredients

>>15081431

Project Gorgon lol

>>15081572

>Finally save up enough for a Rune pick

>Now I can mine with the cool kids

>Start mining rune essence, get my grind on

>Not soon after I start get that bullshit random event

>The one where your pick head flies off

>Random jackoff picks it up

>Refuses to give it back and starts taunting me

>Used most of my money on buying that pick

>>15081755

It's a shame they took away random events before RS3 (I think they brought them back in RS Classic) but thats one of the ones that just needed to go.

>>15081721

For attacked ship there was no much difference. But legally for privateer was a huge difference. Lets say it English privateer, he can't be attacked by Royal Navy, can hide and harbor in English ports freely. Real outlaw pirates? They need to constantly watch for military, only their own strength protects them from attacks. If they are corned by superior military force they are fucked, no matter what flag that force has. Also if war is ended privateers go home, can't loot anymore. Pirates had no downtime, it was always season.

>>15079970

>bullying

wat? I don't think this numale faggot knows what that means.

>>15081804

>Lets say it English privateer, he can't be attacked by Royal Navy, can hide and harbor in English ports freely.

But he'd still be a pirate indistinguishable from any other pirate to the Spanish and French crowns.

>>15079974

>They can’t keep coming after you, just like that Deathclaw wouldn’t come running across the map and keep chasing you

Is that a challenge?

>pvp is bullying

>when you lose you lose nothing

Hugbox instead of sandbox. I remember good old times of Haven and Hearth. Players started a fucking genocide on whole towns with hundreds of players because they were slowing the server. Murdering people for a bit of good quality clay was always fun. Or just because you can and they cant stop you.

>>15081849

Advertise somewhere else, faggot.

>>15081447

Because money is sweetest thing in the world and fallout right now is the biggest cow they can milk for money.

>>15079970

I've always thought there should be a middle-ground of sorts. I think the ideal PvP structure would look something like this:

>You can designate a small number of items as 'locked' onto yourself. Characters below a certain level are 'fully locked'.

>If you get PK'd, you get a screen before resurrection that lets you create a 'Bounty Notice' for the person who killed you.

>Players with a 'Bounty' on them lose item lock and drop all equipped items on death.

>If a member of a party gets a 'Bounty', it goes on everyone in the party. If a member of a guild gets a 'Bounty', it goes on the whole guild until everyone leaves.

>Items picked up from another play list their last few 'prior owners' and the owner's level, so you can choose to return them.

>If you have a 'Bounty' on you, it goes away in ~10 days; If you have a 'Bounty' on you, you can't put a 'Bounty' on those who kill you.

>'Bounty' status isn't obvious - You need to actually go to the town board and write names down, and start hunting

>Each region would have a 'Scout' NPC who could give information on the last region that a given 'Bounty' player was sighted in, meaning that tracking people down would be viable.

>Certain 'wild' areas are lawless - everyone drops their shit on death, and nobody can have a 'Bounty' posted on them for killing you there.

>Cities have guards and shit out the ass, who will hunt down players with a 'Bounty' on their head, or who witness a live PK; Certain lawless cities don't give a shit.

>In lawless regions, certain NPCs could point you to the last location of one of the last few players who killed you - thus, just as a bounty hunter could track a criminal down, a gang of criminals could track down and mug a bounty hunter if he showed up in their territory.

>Certain quests are only available to players who either have a 'Bounty' on their heads, or don't have one

It lets people who are just starting out get a feel of things, while minimizing the impact of death until they've had a chance to 'git gud'. It also makes 'professional criminal' and 'professional bounty hunter' into viable professions. Just imagine the implications of a guild of criminals and a guild of hunters having a massive shadow war across the game world, all because someone griefed someone else's little brother or some dumb shit. It would be the most glorious thing.

>>15080046

We all remember those times anon, if we didn't we would be on cuckchan /v/.

so why dont you just make your own game instead of getting bent out of shape? its easy i do it all the time

>>15079970

Even in the wasteland, you will be coddled. I'm not buying this, I thought it would be DayZ but as Fallout. I wanted open PvP so I could sneak around hostile players and give them a good stabbin'.

Still haven't bought an Xbawkes or Gaystation 4, this might have sold me.

>>15081141

Does she make sexy mods? If not we don't need her.

>>15080825

no

>>15080081

Damn straight. The only farming worth a fuck is hatemail farming.

Can I play a slaver? Fit explosive collars around people you defeat.

The game probably just gives the killed player the option to re-spawn with the other player phased out of their game. It's just streamlined shard hopping where the killer can't follow.

>>15082586

Progression is obviously going to be based around a resource drain. More resources required as you become more established with a bigger base with certain 'unlocks' coming with obtaining certain milestones. Advancement will be more accurately measured in your bases expansion than things on your character at any one moment. Which will likely result in needing to destroy a players base in order to hamper them, which would probably be done via the nukes. If I had to guess I'd wager that there will be a toggle for your base that allows nukes to hit it but gives other rewards.

it sounds like a challenge but I'm not buying your game Todd

>>15082617

No because black people would complain

>>15082719

>Hacks that will just launch nukes

>Hackers will flood servers, endlessly spamming nukes

>Even random spawning won't save you if they can pull player coord data from the server and use as targeting

>>15082712

The thing is it's trying to brand itself as the former, but behaving like the latter. In this case both are justifiable.

Also knowing this is based off F4, leveled loot will be a thing.

>>15082719

>The lack of self awareness is pretty impressive

yes, every time we have this thread

>>15082617

If this was faithful to the fallout universe, you should totally be able to. But you know that isn't the case.

>>15079970

>7th gen mmo on gamebryo

>game series whos community revolves around modifying the game cant modify gameplay

the existence of the game itself is torture for anyone trying to play it

Now you get to feel how we felt.

>>15082923

>dedicated griefing zones

Holy fucking shit is any spontaneous pvp considered griefing now? Are you shitting me anon? There's a vast fucking difference between griefing and pvp yet everyone seems to think that being killed and having your shit taken once is "griefing" god it's pathetic

>>15083310

these people wouldn't last a single day on old Tibia

>>15083413

what is this video? Did she trap hot air inside her vagina and then vent it into the balloon?

>>15082712

Here's my chain of thought, retard.

This is a gimmicky piece of shit game that's made to appeal to children who will lap it up regardless of gameplay. It's a money-grabbing scheme to bide the time between major franchise releases.

This is just more evidence of the trashy gimmicks. They'll sell it as a "dirty, gritty, multiplayer survival game" but it will actually be hand-held mess of repetitive "instances" and recycled Fallout 4 gameplay but now you can do it with your friends and gain loot and household items*. You can even have gritty, fights for survival against other players. Now YOU can play however you want to roleplay*.

*Purchaseable or through Bethesda store

**In dedicated PvP matches where there's nothing on the line

***Unless you roleplay a meanie then we ban you because teenagers are our primary demographic and women can't handle banter

All these words to say 'we announce a PvP mode but its really just a lie and we're using using other players as controlled encounters'.

Anyone who thinks they're going to have fun playing Raiders ganking people all day is going to realise soon enough that they paid money to be part of the theme park's attractions, because they're certainly not the visitors.

Sadly this shit will still do well. Fallout 4 proved there's an audience for apocalypse flavored humdrum and this is just more of the same but with FRIENDS. Nothing screams normalfag and streamerbait more than co-op monotony.

>>15080661

CONSENT CAN BE REVOKED AT ANY TIME, you fucking white MALE RAPIST

>>15083525

Man I don't even like pvping that much and don't RPK really. But the added thrill of being hunted and the actual sense of danger actually adds a layer to games that simply doesn't exist in non pvp environments.

>>15083634

I used to play it as a kid and I remember I never even got to Lvl 30 from how much I was killed by PKs. Still had a lot of fun and didn't grow up to be a whiny bitch.

Also it had some kind of old rpg charm/magic, like Daggerfall and Ultima, something I can't quite explain. The graphics, the need to use torches and rope and stuff etc.

>>15083310

Oh fuck off you know what I meant.

>>15079974

>blocking DayZ mechanics and metagame

BASED TODD

>>15083728

If you just meant it innocuously sorry about that, it's just after reading this thread with all the people complaining about griefing I just assumed you were equating pvp to griefing

>>15083674

Yeah it's really too bad, these days if you want a similar experience in MMOs you have limited options, and all of them have drawbacks and low server pop

>>15080860

no new vegas or fo1. shit taste friend

>>15083770

right on, the best way to ruin a game is to buy it

>>15079970

>GRIEFERS BTFO!

Good, because I'm a tunnel snake.

>>15083852

would you say that you are in a position of authority?

>>15083794

Missing the point

>>15083310

We live ina time where anyone disagreeing with you is "trolling" and fighting them in an online game is "griefing".

this is how casual, weak and infantile people are

>>15080437

> just re-deploy your kit and everything magically appears again as if nothing happened

<create a base to be larger than any base should be

<kill frames and crash servers by deploying your oversized circus tent

Finally, something in this game to be exited about.

>>15080449

>>15080581

>>15080656

A better way would be to offer insurance through an NPC. The justification could be that a company has spotters and outposts around the waistband that collect your inventory when you die, with different insurance tiers returning more of your stuff and even returning it fully repaired. The outposts could even be considered a loot vault of sorts, with complex security systems and high leveled NPCs guarding the VIP's stuff. There could be a main building somewhere that stores special gear and a majority of the insurance profits, which would require a large, high level team to break into or a few faggots that played Payday. Of course Bethesda will never do this, either due to incompetence or laziness, but the idea is there.

>>15081879

This would work perfectly in ESO if the game wasn't a pile of dogshit.

>>15083980

dude's mouth reminds me of this crazy french fuck terrare who could eat a meal for 15 people in one sitting

>>15084121

Was that the frog who ate a plane?

>>15084128

this was before airplanes were invented but the guy did eat an entire moray eel bones in and it didn't bug him one bit

>>15084103

>This would work perfectly in ESO if the game wasn't a pile of dogshit.

I honestly think it would perfectly in almost any open-world fantasy MMO. Something like GW where PvP is supposed to be a structured, arena-based thing, and everything is instanced? Maybe not. But if everyone's running around the same world, I honestly can't think of a better way from a community perspective.

Unfortunately since it's a good idea, it will never actually be implemented.

PVP in time sink games is retarded.

>>15081879

>Roleplaying as Captain Falcon while fucking with Samurai Goroh's band of thugs and Black Shadow's super secret evil organization while becoming the best at the racing minigame.

I like where this is going.

only one thing left to say really

Checked the Fallout subreddits and no talk of this, I love to see the dicksucking modern Fallout gets, it's good rage fuel.

>pvp

>bullying

Lol?

>>15083525

>>15083634

>>15083674

>>15083756

Man I was scrolling through this thread just waiting for someone to mention Tibia. That game was fucking brutal, losing 10% of your total experience on death, along with your backpack and one or two other peices of equipment. Spent all month grinding to level 40? Too bad, you're level 39 now. Spent three months farming viking helmets to sell to NPCs for gold so you can spend 30k on a Fire Sword? That bitch is gone. The Crusader Helmet you pulled out of a chest at the bottom of a tunnel filled with Giant Spiders that half your guild died fighting off to get you there? It disappeared on your rotten corpse, better luck next time! Want to reduce your potential future experience loss by 1%? Fuck you bitch, pay me 10k. Maximum reduction is 5% for 50k total.

What a fantastic game, I really miss it. Shame the game went down such a bad development path.

>>15084801

would you do it for a scooby snack?

>post-apocalypse setting supposed to be filled with marauding robber gangs

>no looting from other players

What possible incentive is there to join a gang or otherwise selfishly fuck people over then? It sounds like they're trying to force an atmosphere of friendliness and everyone getting along, which is the complete antithesis of Fallout.

>>15084804

what you need to do is fellate the company before its released so it would come out good

>>15080490

>>15080505

Maybe there will be a swiming pool

>>15084808

They're going for the "lel so randum XDD" fortnite thing, same as with Rage 2.

>>15084808

Maybe griefing will be befriending people and running off with all their shit.

>>15080062

>Being better at a game

In MMO it's just means some autistic retard spent 2500 hours and has best meta build.

Go to UT for skill, wimps. MMO PvP was always a shitfest unless it's something like planetside where you can actually compete.

>>15084810

>todd rodd

n-no thanks

>>15084837

>You guys realize that we're the savages living on the reservation, and there's no way out except for taking the Soma or hanging ourselves

The only other way out I see is taking down the entire infrastructure, full Samson Option style.

Why don't you edgy faggots play Fallout Online with open PvP btw?

>>15080304

You're missing a noun in your sentence. Try having proper grammar next time you're trying to be a condescending fuck because otherwise it backfires and makes you look retarded.

>>15081549

You can already block people in every multiplayer game since 2005. That never stopped people from bitching about it. If they bitched about it before despite having means to counteract it, they'll bitch about it again.

>>15084894

(You) on the other hand don't need any special circumstances to look completely assblasted retardo.

>>15084841

Griefing will be befriending people and having the wrong opinions. It'll be using naughty words. It'll be pointing out glaring and obvious flaws with the game itself. It'll be pirating mods.

Now that contemporary game devs have bleached their games free of any meaningful player interaction within the mechanical framework of the game they've set their sights on the one area of gaming players have left to engage in any form of expression or interactivity: the chatbox/coms. Blizzard have been steaming towards this full force, to the point that they monitor your social media accounts outside the game to stop people with harmful opinions from even being allowed to play. Bethesda have decided to forge forward in this new field of authoritarian school-marmism because they know their fanbase are nearly all complete idiots who are terrified of their own shadows. People will suck their dick over this, calling it brave and groundbreaking. Right up untill the moment they complain about a game-stopping bug and are banned from all bethesda games forever. And you know what they'll do? They'll rebuy the game. Rebuy all their paid mods, and go back to twitch streaming and making youtube videos about how deep and immersive the game is because it has audio logs and "lore."

>>15084837

>and there's no way out

Just wait until more spics and mudshits flood into the West. They'll be begging us to come out of the ghetto and save them. And when we do we need to make the normalfags pay for everything they've been complicit in.

>>15080062

>PVP good

Fuck off you shithead, it was always used by dickheads wh lured unsuspecting newbies and killed them for their shit they grinded weeks to get .

>>15084031

>casual, weak and infantile

Everything in modern entertainment is designed to turn you into those or at least desensitize you to people who are. They even do that shit with /out/ related stuff.

>>15084950

>Competition is only used by meanies to bully people!

Calm down, go drink some more soy. Get your wife's son to open if for you.

>>15085005

>whaa people are mean to my virtual character in online games

>im pointing out everyones bullshit!

Pick one, crybaby.

>>15085042

what a trustworthy looking merchant

>>15085042

>After all the talk of how shit Fallout 76 will be, I thought I'd buy the last piece of shit Bethesda slapped the word "fallout" on.

You are cancer.

>Any recomendations/ideas?

Refund it immediately.

>>15085042

Put all your points in barter

>>15079974

>Only stops the murdering and looting of other players

>And only this

It might stop those with low IQ but whats to stop more clever or insidious griefers from blowing up your base or hording one of the launch codes? This will stop nothing. Have they never seen half the good griefing shit on youtube?

>>15079974

>dying doesn't do anything to you

>can't even be griefed

What's the fucking point of PvP then?

>>15080320

Wait so it's gonna be "Pools closed Due to Aids." all over again?

They called it Fallout 76 because that's the number of times they've reused their shitty old Gamebryo engine.

>>15085010

You realize a society is doomed when the prevailing mental image that comes to one's head when talking about its average /out/er is a soyboy hipster or worse, a female Crossfitter.

>>15085195

History repeats itself, anon. And it repeats itself even harder now that leftist style historical revisionism (""""vidya gaems have always been inclusive and diverse! we need to take gayming back from those cis white male shitlords!11!"""") is in vogue.

>>15084950

people like you ruined the MMO genre. All MMOs are now singleplayer games with co-op dungeons and raiding. This is all your fault.

>>15085295

Bring me 10 wolf pelts and I'll tell you why MMOs were never good.

>>15085302

>MMOs weren't good because the PVE content was bad but the PVP content is too scary for me ergo MMOs are no good at all.

>>15085302

MMOs are about the community, not fetch quests you fucking sophist retard.

>>15085302

I'll let you in on the secret that made MMOs good only if you help me kill this mob we need another two or three guys for in a pvp zone. You are either an unsociable cunt, low iq, or young if you haven't played a good mmo before

Jesus, I think I struck a nerve. A bit sensitive about those hundreds of hours wasted grinding? But it was with internet fwiends so it was time well spent right? :^)

>>15085368

>internet fwiends

>unironically using mr reddikur memes

Yep, it's nu/cow/

>>15085371

Oof. You got me good. I guess MMOs aren't absolutely terrible after all.

>>15083432

> Fight a boss in a MMO from 2006

> Need about 30 players in groups of 6 fighting boss for 20-40 minutes

> Fight the same boss in same MMO now in 2018

> One hit kill

It says a lot when a MMO goes from a social experience to a discount singleplayer.

>>15085743

>Play an MMO in 2006

>the best players have a mix of skill, knowledge and time

>Play an MMO in 2018

>the best players have a mix of cash, poor impulse control, and online builds.

>>15085302

back then there were no quests, you are a victim of the wowbabies.

>>15085743

>It says a lot when a MMO goes from a social experience to a discount singleplayer.

That's because other people are terrible, and I'm not talking about griefers. I mean they are casual fucks who barely know how to play the game or treat it like a no-fun-allowed second job. I'm talking about high-school level drama in linkshells/clans that you have to deal with on some level if you want access to higher level areas/raids. I'm talking about flakey fucks who expect you to skip your own birthday to go help them hunt a piece of gear, but then disappear the moment YOU need help because they had an appointment to get their dog's anus bleached or some trivial shit.

>>15086415

there were quests like that as far back as eq

> gives a level playing field to try and prevent cyberbullying

>pvp

>cyberbullying

What the fuck

>>15087304

Like hugboxes ever stopped anyone.

Vault's closed.

What were you expecting from Soythesda.

>>15080165

Nice bait anon, you caught two faggots with it.

>>15080208

>>15080239

This is what it looks like when two anime consuming faggots disagree in the wild

>>15086610

>that you have to deal with on some level if you want access to higher level areas/raids

This is how WoW killed the genre, and it's funny how everyone cries about LFG doing it when the reality is that the introduction of guilds and group content like raids to begin with is is what ruined MMOs. What you just said there is EXACTLY, what socializing became as soon as you had content that was built specifically to REQUIRE other players. Talking to people suddenly stopped being something you do because it's enjoyable, and instead became nothing more than a means to an end.

Raid-based MMOs are cancer and should never have existed.

>>15085743

>> Need about 30 players in groups of 6 fighting boss for 20-40 minutes

Sounds like god-awful WoW-tier garbage to me.

>>15085743

its sad not to experience a once fun boss fight as it was at first but that is a consequence of the genre. its an rpg

reminder that this game removes everything that resembles an RPG, ROLE PLAYING GAME, even fucking dialogue is emotes now

and replaces it with MULTIPLAYER BATTLE ROYALE LIKE PVP AND RUST SURVIVAL MECHANICS

>>15087566

>/v/ builds several settlements with nukes

>set targets and time the launches

>soythestha reads /v/

>disables nukes that day

MAIN STORYLINE IS RADIANT AI QUESTS, RINSE AND REPEAT

>>15087583

That would be a shitstorm in itself. but yeah it's not exciting enough to warrant a terrible game

>>15080530

Make your thread already I want to bitch and moan about there being no good MMOs.

>>15087566

>>15087583

Why do you think it's going to be a dedicated server? It's not an MMO. It was made very obvious from original reveal that it would just be drop-in/drop-out multiplayer. Basically Dark Souls type shit.

>>15080048

maybe good rp friends/deagle nation can meet up on last time, to make sure no one survives in the wasteland

>>15088430

>the thing that killed MMOs is the defining feature of MMOs

lol okay. Name one single decent MMO that had raids. Protip, you can't.

>You ultra-casual shits invading the genre

Except the casuals who actually like raids are the ones who invaded the genre and ruined it.

>convert to a no bullying chatroom where everyone's equal and no one has to compete

You mean the pro-raid casuals who converted MMOs to no bully zones where no one has to compete because they believe "m-muh teamwork" in heavily structured, instanced maps is what an MMO is all about.

Literally none of this matters. The game is going to be terrible regardless. The fact that they even made a Fallout multiplayer only game is like seeing my childhood pet get skinned alive in front of me. Video games are all trash now. I'm going to go play the original deus ex or system shock 2 for the 500th time.

>>15088430

>>15087384

Raiding is almost inherently ridiculous in all cases, with the exception of global shit. GW2 of all things almost got this right, but being GW2, managed to find every other way in the world to fuck it up, and absolutely screwed up more often than not.

Games should either be fully instanced (GW) or lacking in instances (GW2). Ideally the games would actually force resource management of some kind. Imagine, if you will, a game where you needed torches in order to cast light in dark areas, and didn't have dedicated healers with an infinite pool. Now take this game, and give it massive, fuck-huge dungeons, like old-school D&D - or maybe just one mega-dungeon, that goes down some 16 levels or so.

Now at the top, you put the towns. Going down, you have monsters which randomly spawn wherever it's dark. The deeper you go, the worse the monsters are, and the better the treasure. If you die, your ass is going back up to the top. You drop your shit. Most of the loot is dead players. If you go down there alone, what are you? You're a wandering monster, with stupidly good treasure. There'd also be really strong monsters, as unique, respawning factors, who could really fuck things up.

Because of the other players, you need to form parties if you want to be safe, from parties of other players. Same thing for having an escort after your resources are tapped out. You can even take newbies down into the depths if you want, and put them on torch-carrying duty.

>>15088592

>lol okay. Name one single decent MMO that had raids. Protip, you can't.

FFXI sort of had time back in the good ole days. They aren't your WoW tier raids, but they did require a decent amount of people and some coordination. Though don't disagree with raids being shit.

I do disagree with >>15087384

> what socializing became as soon as you had content that was built specifically to REQUIRE other players.

FFXI required teamwork for most of the game. That's the hallmark of a good mmo. MMO where you play alone is fucking garbage and pointless. FFXI not only forced it, but it encouraged/fostered a strong community. One of the biggest differences to most mmog and FFXI is the lack of any real guild/clan system. FFXI just had glorified chat rooms with no member limit. That means there was no reason to not pick up newbies unless your chat room was specifically for end game organization, in which case you can switch between as many chat room as you needed. FFXI had a great community that was known as "elitist" because nobody put up with normalfags whining about having to play the game.

>>15088687

Never played FFXI, so I can't really judge that.

>MMO where you play alone is fucking garbage and pointless.

Just because you don't have content deliberately made to require a specific player count in one zerg horde doesn't mean you have to play alone. All of the most social MMOs I've played never had any content that required lots of people. It was also the the other way around. The MMOs that focused heavily on forcing people to play together were always the least social. You just became another number in the zerg horde in games like that. Meanwhile, in the games that focused on player freedom rather than railroading them into prepackaged content and forcing arbitrary restrictions like classes on people in order to force them to team up in zerg hordes, people would form actual communities. Star Sonata was great about this. Didn't have the tiniest ounce of group "content", but any player could become the emperor of that universe and win the game, causing the universe to reset. You could do it solo as one person if everyone else let you, which of course they didn't. So people formed up in huge groups to do this. Not because the developers decided you need x amount of people to do this, but because people had a (completely optional) goal that they decided they wanted to achieve.

>>15088667

Basically everything you're describing aside from the monsters spawning in the dark and shit is literally Tibia. That game was fucking brutal on PVP servers. You had to make friends and travel in groups if you ever wanted to survive because you'd just have someone follow you and rape you every time you left town otherwise. You dropped everything on death, as well as lost xp. You could get de-levelled all the way down to 0 if you died enough, forcing you to make a new character. No group content anywhere to be found in that game IIRC.

Raids and "group content" ruin MMOs because they force you to play a specific way. It infests every aspect of MMOs. It's why classes are a thing, which are another shitty part of modern MMOs. A proper MMO should have everyone start out equal, exactly the same. Then you should be able to build your character into whatever you want rather than having some dumbass faction/race restrictions on what classes you can use and then having classes restrict what gear and skills you can use. All of that bullshit is just part of the cancerous forced zerg horde mentality.

>>15088804

>Just because you don't have content deliberately made to require a specific player count in one zerg horde

I'm not talking about that and I outright said raids are shit.

whats the point of getting gear thats better than cheap stuff in an MMO if you lose all of your belongings when you die?

I mean, you are going to expect to die unless you're always surrounded by bodyguards or lots of friends or something, aren't you?

on a related note, a thought came into my mind:

"Lord of the Flies Online"

>>15088834

in fact, why not just have permadeath while you're at it?

>>15088667

>Most of the loot is dead players.

How optimistic.

Maybe in the first few levels, where new players start playing and make mistakes until they learn.

Past that point, more experienced players do not make dumb mistakes or take risks that may rob them of all they have. They'll grind the same level until they overlevel the next one before proceeding, that's all this does for the game.

>There'd also be really strong monsters, as unique, respawning factors, who could really fuck things up.

Oh, so now players can be punished for RNG reasons, not because they genuinely made a mistake? Sounds fun, can't wait to spend hours playing a game like that.

>you need to form parties if you want to be safe, from parties of other players.

<you need to put up with autists so your PvE session isn't interrupted by other autists

You're really good at this whole game design thing.

There's a damn good reason why "full on hardcore PvP" games are dying and never become very popular and the only people that still think it's because "everyone else is a pussy" are just the stubborn assholes that endure every wasted hour playing the game just for those 15 minutes where they are the ones on top while everyone else remenbers they booted a videogame to have fun, they are having none so they might as well play something else instead of keep hitting the brick wall with their head.

>>15088833

Oh, we're in agreement then.

>>15088804

I actually disagree on the perspective of classes. Classless systems are inherently cancerous. What's actually the problem is when those systems are designed for 'roles'.

To think of it this way, in old-school D&D, a Fighter is able to fight. He is the best at doing this. He's not a tank - he's also the main source of damage. The Thief is able to do a lot of things that the Fighter can't do, like pick locks without setting off traps. Mages have spells which let them replicate these things, and more effectively - a damage spell always does damage without needing 'to-hit', or automatically opens a lock, etc. - but with the caveat that spells are a resource, and once the Mage is out, it's game over. Clerics and the like combine aspects with maybe another trick that avoids a problem or two, like undead.

That is to say, the game is designed for a group of Fighters. Everything else trades a little bit of toughness in exchange for a few tricks - either X% likely to succeed all the time, or 100% likely to succeed some of the time.

>>15088852

>Grinding

The best way to take care of that is the old-school manner - Treasure brought back to the surface is what gives XP; if you're high level in a low dungeon level, you get an increasingly lower portion of XP. Yeah, you can sit around Level 5 grinding for shit. But the party that spends 30 minutes down in Level 8 will collect as much as you do in 3 hours.

>Strong Monsters

If you weren't a complete casual you'd understand that old-school philosophy is explicitly about not just running into a fight. If you see a monster, you don't assume you can kill it. You assume it can kill you until proven otherwise. If people see a fuchkhueg Dragon on a pile of gold and think "I can kill that" then they get fucked.

You're right that the game wouldn't sell well, especially today. But that's because of casual faggots like yourself that infest the hobby nowadays. The fact that 8 year olds back in the 70s were more capable of dealing with character death than the average 20 year old today is a fucking joke.

>>15088870

Right. I was just making the point that requiring people to work together is inherently a good thing in mmos. Which is the opposite of what >>15087384 says. That is not to say that concept can not be perverted, it can and has been. Raids, especially the open world GW2 tier shit, has individuals come together to act as individuals and then leave without ever having to actually work with each other or communicate. Rift was the closest thing to getting open world shit like that right.

>>15088907

>Classless systems are inherently cancerous.

They're inherently superior.

>What's actually the problem is when those systems are designed for 'roles'.

That's literally what a class is though. The fuck are you talking about? You even go on to explain the different roles of classes in D&D.

>>15088908

>I was just making the point that requiring people to work together is inherently a good thing in mmos.

Yeah no. The actual occurrence of working together is inherently good, yes. But REQUIRING that you work is how you end up with a WoW clone. The game should set up the systems necessary for collaboration, but it should never force it on you. The game itself should never ever force anything onto you. That should be left to the players. For example, requiring a group to survive on PVP worlds in Tibia because you'd just get ganked repeatedly by other players if you tried to go solo.

>>15088907

>if you're high level in a low dungeon level, you get an increasingly lower portion of XP

Doesn't stop anyone from doing it if it ensures they never lose anything.

>the party that spends 30 minutes down in Level 8 will collect as much as you do in 3 hours.

Not if they keep dying over and over and leaving loot behind. And if they don't, you're not gonna find most of the loot in players corpses anyway, which defeats your initial point.

To put it simply, it does not matter how the game is structured. At the end of the day, you have a certain amount of strategies with a certain amount of risk and return associated to them, so most people will stick to the strategies with the lowest risk for the highest reward they can find, even if it's not a fun strategy because they'd rather grind with what they have instead of grinding to get back what they had.

>If you weren't a complete casual

If you weren't a complete casual at explaining things you'd undertand there's nuance to this that needs to be explained as well.

If the monster spawns outside of aggro range or the player can just outrun it, then it's just a noob trap. More experienced players know to avoid the monster until they can kill it but otherwise, it's no different from a giant boulder blocking your way, it really doesn't "really fuck things up"

Or maybe he spawns too close or outruns you and then he does "really fuck things up" but it's still RNG messing with the players.

>that's because of casual faggots like yourself

<see the band marching? My son's the only one marching to the rythm!

Sorry mate. Grinding gear to progress in these games is already boring enough. Being told I need to grind my gear back just to return to how I was before doesn't make it any better and on top of that, having edgelords on the game capable of ruining my shit for their entertainment announced as a feature doens't help either.

You know that this shit actually sounds borderline insane to normal people, don't you? Imagine what it would be like joining a server of Quake to have fun in deathmatch with everyone else when suddendly someone else forcibly pulls you onto his Duel server where he has been collecting health and armor pickups for a while now and you can only leave when he has had his fill of frags.

Now imagine that health and armor actually stackup to 1000 instead and there's no weapons on the map to pickup and have a fighting chance in seconds.

You're just a boiling frog, none of the shit you claim to like is good game design for any other game or any other resaon. You just like it because you're usually the one on top, that's all there is to it.

>>15088960

A class is not a role. When someone talks of a role in an MMO like WoW, they mean the holy trinity of heals, dps, tank. Thiefs and mages typically will never be tanks or healers, so their role is dps. That doesn't mean they're the same class, just the same role. Please don't be a retard and talk about the differences between a rogue and a mage, it's irrelevant to his role in a party. In D&D classes have different flavor talents that are adaptable to the situation, but that doesn't make their roles any less similar even if their mechanics are different.

Classless systems always have a fatal flaw which is the idea that they're above the holy trinity. Let me let you in on a secret: they're not. Game mechanics like game theory will always bring about optimization. So sure, you can be whatever class you wish in that system, but in any sort of environment that involves a big monster attacking someone then you're going to have damage sponges, damage mitigators, and damage dealers. If everyone is a self contained unit then why group up? Everyone will be XXSephiroths who are plate wearing battle rogues who excel at everything or, if the game doesn't permit that or the monster you're fighting requires more role specialization to take down than a group of Jack of all Trades can muster, then you're going to get 'classless' groups all gravitating towards a role closer and closer. If that won't be required, then the raid content is tuned for babbymode and it won't be fun either way.

>all these anons ready to buy a bethesda game

>all these anons completely shocked they cant "grief"

>all these anons believing todds lies

>all these anons disappointed

>>15085010

Dark times man

>>15081879

Either the bounty system would be used to trolling by fucking up peoples progression where they can't enter towns for 10 whole days, or it would turn into dark souls indictment system, which is a joke

>>15085250

>Bought F4

>Didn't just pirated it

>>15089098

You've yet to list a single downside of a classless system. You're also automatically assuming raid-based cancer games. But even if in raid cancer:

>So sure, you can be whatever class you wish in that system

Yes. Exactly. That's the point? That's why it's better.

>but in any sort of environment that involves a big monster attacking someone then you're going to have damage sponges, damage mitigators, and damage dealers.

Not really. Runescape doesn't have that. Again, you're assuming every game is some garbage WoW clone.

>>15089559

PS4 version. Also, I'm not a poorfag.

>>15090021

You have poor tastes for being "not a poorfag"

>>15080825

I know everyone else is focusing on the the first 3-4 but the devs have to cover their own asses in current year so they aren't accused of disliking brown gays or whatever. #6 is the one that makes me mad. I don't owe new players a fucking thing. Fuck you for telling me to share anything.

>>15080409

So that's why fags want to play as women so bad. Always knew it was some gay shit, they should admit instead of arguing with all these mental gymnastics.

>>15079970

New Released Game Footage

>>15093680

Fixed.

So has Pete bothered explaining the premise of the game yet? I'm still a bit confused as to why everyone is running around shooting their friends and family and building AnCap shacks out of garbage instead of doing something productive, like forming a government or setting out to look for other vaults or repairing some of the vehicles lying around or in fact pretty much any other activities besides what we've seen so far.

>>15079974

>see some shitty meme on facebook about this game

>goes with the obvious "XxNoscopexX" dicked you joke, fine enough

>some guy tries defending this game by saying there's no way Bethesda would let some guy fuck up a new player

>fuck it, I have some free time

>tell him that if it's challenge based rather than PvP except for maybe 1 particular city (preferably able to but with heavy penalties of getting attacked by players and NPCS) or God forbid this shit a single fucking area to "Conquer with your fellow vault dwellers" because the entire wasteland isn't out there for the taking, it would not only ruin the point of a post apocalyptic setting and be immersion breaking, but that if items were at stake, no one would reasonably do it unless they thought they had the decked stacked against the poor sod, or if they thought they had more than a fighting chance read all your fucking friends ready to off the jackass

>he tries to say that a challenge based thing wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't any risk

>also point out even if items weren't an issue, there really would be no point to the pvp at that point because there is no risk, no reward, that an open challenge system would ruin an entire group of players who either use stealth or tactics like explosives and traps and that it wouldn't even be fun as a time killer because of the above reasons and because you could be doing things that would net you real rewards

>he responds with a longer version of, "We'll wait and see :)"

Yeah nah mate, I think fucking not. Even if a setting looked decent (A post apocalyptic MMO), with no actual npcs, no story, no real risk, no punishment for fucking up, no real pvp, and coupled with Bethesda's jewry, I'd take a hard pass even if I wasn't knowledgeable on how shit Fallout 4 was. Hopefully it'll be a dumpster fire, and if not, hopefully people will pull off some decent griefing.

>>15080114

if nothing else there is the Conan exiles pve harassment of building fuckhuge walls around shit that people need and laughing as they cant break your cobble shit wall because that would be harassment. same shit goes for every other minecraft/rust clone that gets the "greefing" turned "off"