2b8b9d No.15062394
What are your favorite roguelike games? Mines Tales of Maj'Eyal, Tangledeep and Infra Arcana. What yours?
57bc80 No.15062495
>>15062431
How about you play something from this list:
https://forums.roguetemple.com/irldb/
1dacea No.15062519
>>15062504
That font rendering is really ravaging my autism
8cf9a7 No.15062541
>>15062504
What's supposed to pass for sprites is fucking horrendous. Reminds me of the times fags would try and make "realistic" texture packs for minecrap and it made the game look so goofy.
9e1050 No.15062600
May i interest you guys in classic roguelike game with full modern 3d graphics?
https://worthlessbums.itch.io/steam-marines-2
b00823 No.15062634
>>15062394
1. Vagante
2. Binding Isaac
3. Risk of Rain
4. Dungeons of Dredmor
048b77 No.15062802
>>15062600
jesus christ, what is this technicolor vomit of what seems to have once been Space Hulk?
a9ec39 No.15062963
>>15062802
Sh-h, you'll hurt his feelings
42ecd7 No.15062969
>>15062634
top recs brosef
ed6b54 No.15062982
No-one ever mentions Larn in roguelike threads. I like the blend of classic roguelike with the extra hint of class-based DnD influence.
6a6445 No.15063036
Spelunky is my favourite roguelike because it has nothing to do with roguelikes.
295410 No.15063108
IVAN is back o getting regular updates since last year. The latest one added a lot of graphical and audio shit I hate. They started with music that fit the theme sorta and now there's sound effects ripped straight from a royalty free website. Good thing all of these can be turned off, but why waste time on useless shit like sprite outlines, new immersive dungeon maps, "animations"?
53fa68 No.15063111
>I'm feeling sleepy, ambien'd to fuck and don't give half a shit And like the way skills and stats interact
Dredmor
>Maybe someday I will finish this bullshit before it's three races and three classes
Stone Soup
>I'm feeling goofy, but totally awake
IVAN
>I have seven days off and shitloads of coffee
Elona+
>I am angry at the world and want to forget it exists
ToME
>I am angry at the world and want to destroy it
DooMRL
>I am angry at the world and want to hate myself more
Infra Arcana
>robots robots robots ROBOTS robots
Cogmind
I fucking love Warlocks. The main offensive nuke stores up energy over time, but quickly goes critical and can easily destroy you. Nothing like riding that razor edge. Shame the game is so shitty otherwise.
048b77 No.15063128
>>15062634
well since we're already throwing every genre with permadeath we may as well drop all the nice games with that feature:
>Brogue
>SYNTHETIK
>Everspace (gameplay looked good, but I couldn't play it for longer than an hour)
>Dead Cells
>Binding of Isaac: Rebirth + Antibirth
>Heavy Bullet
>>15063111
is COGmind finished yet? I still have an alpha copy of it saved on my MEGA.
53fa68 No.15063147
>>15063128
>is COGmind finished yet?
Lots and lots of neat updates, semi complete (I think you can technically finish the game now) but missing some features, though I don't know what those are. I just like the feeling of roguelike Armored Core without it being actual mechs and just robots. I'm complete shit at the game and still haven't made any real progress (Signified by learning actual hacking commands you can use in future runs ) but it's fun to try, at least.
8d5760 No.15063297
You guys should try Prospector. Its a roguelike space exploration game. Very different from anything listed here. A bit grindy though.
6d4031 No.15063407
>>15062394
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup (old versions).
Also Let It Die
c74ea7 No.15063455
>>15062541
>>15062519
>being a graphicswhore for such games
that's the easiest thing to fix though
03a627 No.15063513
>>15062394
Cogmind
Caves of Qud
Isaac
Cryptark
Random everything, same world, CDDA
NEVER NOT NT
f6a885 No.15063595
ToME is pretty damn good with high replayability, but not much challenge. I think most of the fun is in the sheer number of classes and optional class ability trees.
Cataclysm: DDA is also good with tons of builds and shit to do, though last I heard the developers had been getting uppity about wanting to force advanced nutrition and shit.
DC: Stone Soup is pretty much past the point of no return. It used to be great, now it's becoming more and more simplified and casual thanks to retarded devs.
Elona+ is a wonderful sandbox roguelike where you can do whatever the fuck you have the stats for.
e0ae82 No.15063678
>>15063595
>ToME
>not much challenge
Have you ever browsed wonderful world of ToME addons?
Irrational difficulty mode:
https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/harder-nightmare
Difficulty unlocker for not having to unlock maximum Madness difficulty:
https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/ignore_cd_locks
Decreased number of layers in dungeons to quicken the game's pace and lower amount of zones you can grind experience in:
https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/qt-zone-overhaul
Remove pesky escort quests with their potential bonuses:
https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/qt-escort-removal
Multi-classing with experience penalty and randbosses spawn
https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/sk_multi_class_challenge_rb_rando
There are much more, some from old versions work on new ones, some don't. I have like 35 of them installed right now just for fun, but there's tons of shit in there.
92741e No.15063733
I like Cataclysm:Dark Days Ahead.
>>15062431
Near 99% of the "roguelites" I played would have been infinitely better games if they weren't holding themselves to the roguelite/procedural generation crutch and bothered to level design.
7a2071 No.15063760
>>15062431
But 90% of rougelites have rougelike elements just as an excuse for lack of in-game content.
f6a885 No.15063940
>>15063760
That's why most roguelites tend to suck so hard.
They aren't made procedurally generated with consideration to replayability, they're made that way because it's less effort than actually designing a proper game.
b42e5d No.15064155
>>15062394
>What are your favorite roguelike games?
Angband and derivatives.
I actually got into it through Zangband, a very much improved version with plenty of cool stuff. I loved fucking around with different races, classes, items, and so forth. And in Zangband there is an overworld and other towns to discover for the items that are sold. Quite fun.
Another very fun one I played for a while is Mangband, Multiplayer Angband. Now that was some interesting gameplay. Asking people for help, making keybinds for stuff because everything is live and so on. My best memories was adventuring with a friend and we would use different classes to help each other out. One time I went rogue and would use a skill to detect veins of gold in the walls and my friend and I would spend a few hours mining that stuff out to save up cash. And once enough cash was saved up you could buy a house on the surface to store things like gold and items.
I should play it again, I wonder how its doing…
>no updates for 4 years
F
I wish I could find someone autistic enough to play this with me. I don't remember the system used for making hotkeys and what was needed to inscribe items.
a81697 No.15064318
Tangledeep was a really nice experience, but honestly, far too easy for a roguelike. Won on my third playthrough. The story is a bit whatever, the lastboss is SUCH a jrpg cliche. Really pretty though, worth at least one playthrough just for the beauty of it all.
I'm a big fan of 1WH, but lord that is another game that is too easy. Bards, Knights, Force Swordsman and Hereos just shit on the game. Hunters and Pirates are shit man. I wish the game had more variation, you really don't see anything interesting until 3000+KM, and even then, it isn't that different. Nice concept, multiple endings that get nominally more challenging. Cute artstyle and fitting music.
I'm currently bashing my head against TOME4, myself. I've won with Wyrmic (my favorite class) like 15 times, Oozemancer and Archmage were one attempt one clear easy, currently trying to win with a Sun Paladin, I reliably get to the master, usually shit the bed sometime shortly after in the dwarf tunnels for some reason. Always get a unique that simply overpowers me somehow. I intend to win with Sun Paladin and then try to win with Arcane Blade.
18ef57 No.15064952
>>15064318
What difficulty you play TOME4 on?
414ef9 No.15064972
>>15063455
It's not graphics whoring to request that text be rendered in a well proportioned way
a81697 No.15065023
>>15064952
Normal for most classes, I've taken playing Wyrmics to nightmare since I have them down to a science, for the most part.
b55461 No.15065441
>>15062394
i'm a DCSS tourneyfag just a few runs away from a greaterplayer achievement
also playing CDDA for fun once in a while
also DEMON
9a1d6b No.15067154
Anyone here have any experience with nethack? I want to get into it, but there is one thing thst is bothering me. How do I see how much damage I or a weapon do? Say for instance I pick up a scimitar, a long sword, an axe and a quarter-staff, how do I know which one to use and how much damage each does?
1c22ea No.15067248
4bda76 No.15067403
>>15063297
It's pretty good but i remember pirate playthroughs are impossible due to the way the game calculates allegences. You often end up in a situation where you're fucked and can't trade with anyone, not even other pirates due to this. You're viewed as hostile by every faction and locked out of every vendor. There are also more than a few crash bugs you can run into but at least it saves a couple turns behind if you do so you can avoid it.
739dbd No.15068015
I like to get comfy and cooks lots of different food in CDDA.
4dd7c9 No.15068027
nethack because I'm biased, but also because it feels big.
What's the most detailed roguelike? I need to get off netcrack.
>>15067154
There are a lot of wikis and guidebooks.
https://www.nethack.org/v343/Guidebook.html
I remember my dad printed out the entire fucker.
c8b389 No.15068069
>>15068027
never understood people that like roguelikes because "muh detail, muh complexity"
they all seem like a posers to me
4dd7c9 No.15068093
>>15068069
When you spend hundreds of hours on a game, it makes it feel like a real world if there are nuances like detail.
e407e0 No.15068103
HyperRogue is pretty neat.
>>15063513
I honestly hate NT, I don't understand the huge fanbase around it.
300228 No.15068298
>>15064155
I'd play with you for a bit, anon.
95759b No.15068318
>>15063595
>number of classes
>class ability trees
Roguelikes are worse, not better, when they have bloat, which is what you just described.
f6a885 No.15068966
>>15067154
It's important to remember that your character's weapon proficiencies are generally more important than the weapon type (unless you proc an artifact like Greyswandir or something). Don't use a weapon unless you have ranks in that weapon or are intending to put in the effort to gain ranks in that weapon.
f6a885 No.15068995
>>15068318
Those are what make it interesting. It's not terribly challenging, but those things provide a different playstyle for most of the different classes. Some do work better than others, but on the whole it's still interesting.
The problem is that you're mistaking a variety of options for bloat, when it's a variety of redundant or irrelevant options that are bloat.
8bbdbf No.15070939
>>15062504
I could never finish that game, the graphic telling of how people die was too much for a weak heart like mine
b02ae0 No.15070941
>playing TOME4
>going through one of the literal beginners dungeons
>run is okay for the most part
>open a single door
>HELLO ITS ME, ITS YOUR BOY 26 LEVEL ELITE FIRE WYRM WITH HIS BROS AND HOES
>SAY HELLO TO MY HOT FIRE BREATH, ITS MY NEW MIX TAPE, HOPE YOU DIDN'T PLAYED ON ROGUE MODE
Dragons are niggers of fantasy creatures.
8bbdbf No.15070970
>>15068103
Agreed, NT is just mediocre, I can't explain it but it's not fun
e49a36 No.15071008
Stone Soup 0.14
Before they made the game so casual
f6a885 No.15071260
>>15070941
This is why you think hard before opening vaults.
If your char isn't effortlessly stomping every nonrare you come across, it's probably best to just hold off so you don't risk getting raped to death by an OOD monster.
Also, has anyone here heard of Incursion? It's basically a DnD dungeon with skills made more useful and its own setting and pantheon. It's buggy, unpolished, and now abandoned, but it's still a lot of fun to play.
a81697 No.15071291
>>15071260
I used to play Incursion, its got a lot of neat stuff going on, but it kind of felt like a slog. Either way, Human Druid shapeshifting is the best.
>>15070941
Vaults are a bitch sometimes. At least you are losing, at best, 30 minutes of gameplay and not 5 hours.
95759b No.15073545
>>15068995
Having more than 16 classes or 16 races is bloat. It isn't terribly hard to make a lot of classes and races with enough wacky differences so they aren't the same, but that doesn't mean they add anything to the game.
6971a0 No.15073730
33db5b No.15073788
>mfw some faggot is ID hopping like crazy with tons of (1) recommending roguelites trying to derail but no one is giving a shit
I'm not currently playing it, but I always come back to Elona to escape to a fantasy world life full of waifus and fun shit to do.
248c49 No.15073795
>>15062634
Dungeons of dredmor is the only roguelike on that list.
248c49 No.15073808
>>15064155
I'd be interested in trying it out if you want to post some contact info.
00638b No.15073869
>>15073545
Unless there's some obscure need to cut them, there's no need to cut them, either. If you never touch them, they don't effect your runs as other classes. Otherwise you might as well have three classes (MAGIC, MELEE, and RANGED) and three races (MAGICAL, SKILLED, and STRONG).
f6a885 No.15073919
>>15073545
You do realize that the philosophy you just described is the same stated excuse behind DC:SS cutting shit left and right?
If there isn't a serious reason to remove something, then don't remove it. If it's not redundant or irrelevant, nor imbalances the game then it should probably stay in.
57f291 No.15074220
>>15074003
I remember when people dyed their hair vibrant colors to look cool and not to intentionally look like a pile of trash.
697271 No.15074605
My favorites are adom, brogue and infra arcana(and the ground gives way, I guess)
a81697 No.15075729
>>15073545
Having more classes and races just means MORE ways to play the game. Added layers of replayability isn't a bad thing. If you really want to stick to cornac, higher, and shalore as your races and bulwark, maurader, and archmage as your classes, you may.
Also, be aware that different classes use different resources that function differently. Equilibrium, mana, VIM, light/dark, all need to be treated differently, in addition to class play styles.
f953c3 No.15075733
>>15068027
If you just want to just trickle your way off NetHack, I highly recommend PRIME, a self described "scifi NetHack". It's the only modern game I've played that perfectly replicates NetHack's classic hacker popculture sense of humor.
f3bdb3 No.15076537
For standard dungeon-crawl roguelikes, my number one is Angband. I also like Nethack and ADOM.
For the more experimental roguelikes that deviate from the formula, I like DF, CDDA, and Unreal World.
445f2d No.15076563
>>15063595
it does have challenge
most of it is on madness difficulty, but insane can be hard too, depending on how you play
also, there won't be burrow mindstars or OP weapon damage or drowning NPCs in 1.6, so alot more challenge is gonna exist when that comes around
fcc469 No.15076583
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>>15076563
Madness difficulty runs barely have any playthroughs on youtube. People are either too lazy to unlock it or install unlocker.
515dc2 No.15076623
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I haven't played it in a while but Sil deserves to be more known.
>compact, playthroughs can be done in one sitting
>excellent implementation of stealth
>mobs have simple but fairly intelligent behaviors. orcs will swap in and out of the front line to maintain their health. if you enter a tunnel, sometimes orcs will split off to catch you at the other end
>variety of builds that allow for meaningfully different playstyles
>variety of ways to get exp without killing mobs which makes stealth and pacifist builds viable
>overall a very simple and "pure" system that you can learn quickly yet provides a lot of nuance and challenge
fcc469 No.15076748
>>15073545
>Having more than 16 classes or 16 races is bloat.
The difference between right race/class system and wrong race/class system is having tiers, even if you generate unique attribute system for your characters to lock them out of certain content for replayability's sake. If you try to balance them out they will indeed become same and unfun. But if you try not to think about what to nerf for sake of balance issues and divide classes by difficulty, especially in singleplayer games, you can make them really different. Just above that have many difficulty modes to play with OP classes, where their abilities can be useful. Also nerfing shit can take a lot of development time, and put you on a loop, look how retarded stone soup became.
Another way to do it is to remove class system all together and create class creation system similar to daggerfall, like in Caves of Qud, where you develop your own character from his weaknesses and strengths and can min max your own unique build.
a81697 No.15076783
With all this talk about class systems, I gotta say, the best part of Dredmore is its class system. I really enjoyed picking trees and making a (possibly) tough choice every level up. It was really the only thing that got me to play that game as much as I did, despite how absolutely mediocre everything else was.
f953c3 No.15077155
>>15076748
>tiers are bad
Dates clear back to Tourist/Archeologist in Nethack. Maybe it's just a substitute for difficulty levels, but you could say it's less bland, too.
6c8db9 No.15077912
>>15064972
>It's not graphics whoring
Well it doesn't fall under sound and it definitely doesn't fall under gameplay so i'd say that narrows it down to graphics
Also
Sword of the Stars the Pit,engineer mustard race
1c063c No.15079461
>>15077155
He's saying tiers are good.
cb3947 No.15079503
Dragon Fin Soup.
Great art but it's shit
b730d9 No.15079626
>>15079503
>this portraits and models
>great art
84ffa0 No.15082504
e530a3 No.15088422
Anyone ever play an MS Dos game called Reaping the Dungeon? It was probably my first exposure to the genre (aside from Castle of the Winds). The premise is that there is a creature-generating machine on Mars that started burrowing into the crust and you have to destroy it. You have Health, Oxygen (steps, before health decreases), and Energy (for weapons). You can collect various ores and then exchange them at stores each floor, but the rate varies; meanwhile stores vary between weapon, tool, and misc every 3 floors.
Killing a creature awards "Crystals" (exp), and you get bonuses for clearing a floor entirely. Crystals can be spend on upgrading individual stats, such as weapon energy consumption, vision, speed, dodge, etc. You can eat various magic mushrooms as if they were potions (vision enhancing, wall walking, etc). The stairs down is called the Drop Shaft, and it randomly changes position every so many random steps.
Anyways, speed is the most overpowered. I replayed it as an adult, and the scale is that you start with "1" speed, so if you hold upgrades for 2-3 floors and upgrade it to 2, you can literally alternate movement against monsters with attacks and never get hit, ever. I think I got up to like 4 speed and just cheesed it hard.
71ff79 No.15096449
You know what really grinds my gears? Games with that fucking "explore" button.
If your dungeons are so boring you need a button to skip them then you're doing something wrong.
An explore button is not a solution to your bland/lazy approach to level design.
You could at least add enough interesting features to justify engaging the player in the major defining element of the genre.
710d5b No.15096521
Any good Roguelite (inb4 autistic screeching) platformers people can recommend? Only ones I've enjoyed are Towerclimb and Downwell.
>>15096449
It's a convenience, expecting every fucking level in a roguelike to be interesting structurally is unrealistic. It's often combat situations that are of interest. On top of this explore/autowalk will stop instantly on seeing an enemy, meanwhile mashing can result in taking a few steps more than you wanted to after seeing something.
b009cf No.15096562
>>15096459
'Grinds my gears' existed before Family Guy you retard.
a78d2c No.15096565
More roguelikes need a feature that just makes you stop dead in your tracks the moment a monster appears on screen. For some reason Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead is the only roguelike I can think of that added in a feature like that, and it's kind of wasted in that game because you'll often have enemies in sight at all times and usually makes you turn off the safety out of frustration.
c1fd7e No.15096574
I just want to take a moment to bitch and moan that the Switch hasn't seen a mystery dungeon game yet, specifically a Shiren game.
Fucking when.
>>15096521
I've never played a rogue-lite platformer with good level design. A platformer needs good level design, and you don't get good from a noise pattern.
71ff79 No.15096688
>>15096521
auto-walk is okay for that mashing issue you mentioned. But I still don't agree with auto-explore, which exists for a different reason. Interesting dungeons are far from impossible. Nethack pulled it off, ADOM did alright, Incursion, IVAN, LARN, and many others made due. I'm inclined to blame the speedrunners or tourneyfags for it. Because adding uncertainties to the dungeons might come off as bloated, suboptimal, or even more tedious for them. So developers put the band-aid of auto-explore on the bland dungeons to not upset them with potentially controversial content for the relatively less autistic.
Another theory is that it's just a *band-inspired thing, since they tend to have enormous dungeons.
But even if it's just big dungeons that are hard to populate, you could at least try making them more interesting first.
Most of those kind of games are hardly more interesting in dungeon design than the original Angband, if at all.
>>15096565
DDA could use a walk button.
I haven't played it in a while though.
a78d2c No.15096694
>>15096574
I'm still fucking salty about kickstarting Catacomb kids, I had no idea it was going to be a platforming roguelike where combat was highly reaction based and you often die in one fucking hit because your health pool is so low and enemies can easily hit you for 60-140% of your total HP in one blow.
The design philosophy is pants on head retarded to me and deep down I feel like a lot of devs just played Binding Of Issac and decided their game needs to be harder than that so the scarce amount of content they created can last longer.
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=CKVL0YlBTxw&t=182s Here is some guy, who must be playing this game as some sort of punishment for shitty taste, having his run end in one hit because the only thing the dev knows for certain is that he wants his game to be HARD.
c2cab1 No.15096697
>Cogmind is 20$
Are the devs pozzed? Are they worth supporting? Is it worth a pirate?
af7d30 No.15097013
>>15096688
It's probably sort of a "the pathfinding functions are already there, let's just allow the player to use them" sort of thing
1134c2 No.15097021
>>15096521
Spelunky is fun and runs on toasters.
710d5b No.15097097
>>15096697
Kizrati is a cool guy. The game is $20 because he works on it full-time (or at least significantly more than your average one man project). At least pirate it to try it out first though, in it's current state it didn't really scratch my itch as I find the combat lacks variety and I'm not big on stealth/evasion.
b00823 No.15101440
Where is a torrent for dungeons of dredmor?
c2cab1 No.15101584
>>15097097
Torrented it.
Actually pretty fucking good, i'll buy it.
b00823 No.15101783
4cbded No.15102543
>>15101440
Is there such a thing as an /hgg/ roguelike?
65a407 No.15102650
>>15063108
checking this out immediately
I remember playing this as a kid and seeing ronald knowing Im about to get killed and throwing a bottle of sulfuric acid out of frustration
>oh that worked
d735ea No.15103320
>>15102543
Omega Labyrinth is a breast expansion roguelike.
The newest version of Elona+ added watersports. (You gain a "territory marking" ability when you create any building.)
b00823 No.15103368
WHERE THE FUCK CAN I DOWNLOAD DUNGEONS OF DREDMOR ILLEGALLY?????
d735ea No.15103398
>>15103368
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b00823 No.15103416
>>15103398
Nice try hackerman, I just bought it for $2 on steam.
c49e1d No.15103445
>>15103416
>Nice try hackerman
<he doesn't know
4cbded No.15109069
>>15103320
>Omega Labyrinth
Wasn't the western release cancelled last minute because of Soyny?
295410 No.15109198
>>15102650
So how was it? They changed a lot in recent updates and went complete autism with the material types. Like leather and iron weren't good enough. Now you have 10 different types of one specific type of metrical. Not that I'm complaining. But you would never bother most low quality materials because you're guaranteed to find something like "Dark demonsteele of soulripping of bloodred iron made of iron" which are pretty good even for later caves.
Maybe I can smelt all the shit materials and make something good in he forgery, once they decide to do something with it. Oh yeah, there's a forgery room that can appear in dungeons now, it's just eye candy as of now.