/v/ - Video Games

>>14995734

I've heard people being kind of divided on whether or not it went well.

>>14995705

I stil don't know what they were thinking when they decided to mix Disney and Final Fantasy.

Also, the only series I can think of that goes into this pattern actually does it the other way - Red Alert 1 is a fairly serious game about a NATO/USSR conflict, Red Alert 2 then adds whacky stuff like Yuri and so on, and Red Alert 3 is a glorified parody of virtually everything with psionic attack schoolgirls, weaponized circus cannons and Mount Rushmoore being turned into gigantic laser WMDs.

>>14995736

Personally I think it had the best gameplay in the series after Dual Strike turned out so broken. Also non-overpriced Middle Tank.

>>14995754

>I stil don't know what they were thinking

Money?

>Shit A sells

>Shit B sells

>Let's make AxB and see if it sels

>It sells

>Fuck gotta start pumping out sequels somehow

Also sonic.

Jak and Daxter

>>14995854

it didnt even last two games before turning all edgy and mature. in the opening of jak 2 alone, they took an innocent guy, tortured and experimented on him for years, and the first words out of his mouth are I Want To Kill Praxis. he even had a dark form and the oppressive new world felt nothing like the 1st game

>>14995736

It worked well enough. The older games have more charm though. I didn't mind it as a change of pace for a one off. Shame that franchise is fucking dead now.

The real question is: has the opposite ever happened? Something that started cringe edgelordshit became tamer and light-hearted?

>>14995966

I like how the Legends series kind of serves as the light at the end of the tunnel. After all of the grief of X through ZX, the world turns out pretty okay.

Also, it's kind of weird how the running theme of the Megaman series seems to be that humans are faggots who fuck everything up for the pure robot race, and everything will be better once they're gone.

>>14996021

Darkengard 1 to Drakengard 2. Tough it wasn't cringe edgelordshit, it was a good story with messed up dark shit happening.

Haven't played 3 and both Niers yet, but I think they get fucked up again.

>>14996021

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

>>14996021

Shadow Hearts.

Pokemon - It was somewhat edgy in Gen 1.

SMT Look at peace end of 4A and Persona Every part after 2.

Sonic.

>>14996062

>Barbarian Ryuko Matoi

More interesting than generic JRPG kid protag, I guess.

>>14996077

>Persona

Persona just escaped my mind, yeah it is the biggest example, though 5 is a little bit darker than 4. But compare 4-5 to 1-2 and it is a completely different series in tone. SMT is still grimdark though, even if 4 is a little lower on the dark.

>Pokemon

Eh. Not really. Team Rocket were a bunch of yakuza-like hustlers while later antagonist groups were dangerous doomsday cults and shit like that.

>Shadow Hearts

Oh yeah. Forgot about that as well.

>>14996050

Drakengard 2 isn't a Yoko Taro game so it is to be expected that it isn't as fucked up as the others. D3 and both Nier are D1 tier, though Automata has a rather uplifting ending (not for the characters, but for you, the player).

>>14996021

It can happen across a series, but it's basically impossible for it to happen within the same game. The reason some dark things are considered cringey edginess is because the author doesn't fully understand, yet is enamored with the darkness, and is unknowingly failing to integrate it. It's a form of pretentiousness caused by a lack of self-awareness. You experience second-hand embarrassment from cringey edge for the same reason you experience second-hand embarrassment from someone in a talent show thinking they're good at singing, making a fool out of themselves on stage, and then still acting like they're hot shit when everyone tells them otherwise.

If the author was aware of how to handle dark things, then the work they produce wouldn't be start cringey in the first place. It could start dark and become light-hearted, but it can't start cringey and then not be cringey, because the author would have to eschew and disavow the edginess later on in the game, which an actual edgelord isn't going to do. Even if they saw the error of their ways mid-development, they would just change the edgy parts instead of continuing development and releasing it with the earlier segment as it was.

It would have to be consciously done, and there's no reason to do that unless you were specifically doing it to explore edginess, at which point it wouldn't be cringey, because it was done intelligently and would have had a reasonable point to it. You could argue that Metal Gear Rising did that to some extent.

>>14996150

Now I feel like a fucking brainlet. Or going senile.

Hollow Knight's original Flash game was light hearted

the real game is edgier and darker

>>14995966

I interpreted carbons as the ideal synthesis between organic humans and mechanical reploids in order to eliminate the friction between the two races Then As a failsafe to prevent humans from being killed out by a rebellion by their creations make a failsafe that destroys everything if humanity gets killed off, nevermind that they eventually do so by themselves having their reason for existence supplanted by the carbons and succumbing to the ensuing ennui

>>14995736

It was my first and favorite and I went back and played dual strike and DS and beat them but didn't like them

>>14996218

>synthesis

The world was moving in that direction, shown in Zero and ZX, but that doesn't seem to be the purpose of the carbons. If the carbons were only made for social reasons,

>Why do bureaucratic units have absolute authority over not just regions of earth, but the carbons in them, and treat them like data points that need to be managed?

>Why are there strict population controls by region that demand mass killings and regions being reset if certain parameters are not followed?

>Why do the carbons have a manufactured culture and religion instead of being allowed to develop one on their own?

>Why does Elysium's library contain the genetic samples of all of humanity up to that point, but not data about reploids or carbons?

>Why would the Carbon Reinitialization Program ("Humanity Regeneration Program" in Japanese) kill all of the carbons to restore humanity?

The carbons are probably a test population to see if humanity can safely come back to earth after whatever happened to flood the planet.

>failsafe

The Carbon Reinitialization Program's purpose wasn't to kill the carbons, but to restore humanity from the genetic library once the remaining humans on Elysium died. Killing the carbons is only a preliminary step of that process.

>>14995754

>>14995825

They worked in the same building and two execs struck up a conversation on an elevator. It's perhaps the most organic "hey wanna do something?" crossover in all of AAA gaming.

>>14996512

This is, I believe, the canon explanation. They don't really explain it in the games, but the reason Ciel is notable aside from being a super-genius child is that she's the first human capable of seeing Cyber Elves, which is something normally only Reploids can do. It's foreshadowing that the species are co-evolving into eachother. By the time ZX happens, they're so interblended that the only way you can tell them apart is that "Reploids" have red birthmarks on their foreheads where their energy crystals historically were installed.

The Carbons are WALL-E.

>Tripleposting

Kill me.

>>14996039

Megaman Legends is called Rock Man DASH in Japan. It stands for Digouter's Adventure Story in the Halcyon Days.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/halcyon_days

Etymology

From Latin Alcyone, daughter of Aeolus and wife of Ceyx. When her husband died in a shipwreck, Alcyone threw herself into the sea whereupon the gods transformed them both into halcyon birds (kingfishers). When Alcyone made her nest on the beach, waves threatened to destroy it. Aeolus restrained his winds and kept them calm during seven days in each year, so she could lay her eggs. These became known as the "halcyon days," when storms do not occur. Today, the term is used to denote a past period that is being remembered for being happy and/or successful.

The Halcyon Days are a period of mercy. They eventually end.

>>14996178

>Hollow Knight

>edgy

Are you ok, friend?

>>14998263

I don't get it. How can you be in a world war state for so long? How could there be development of more weapons and cities and populations when the entire planet is constantly being firebombed?

>>14999434

The world is experiencing a population and technology boom in the X series, despite frequent wars with only brief periods of peace, because reploids are being produced at extremely rapid rates. In only a matter of decades, they already outnumbered humans and showed no signs of stopping, with a trend of exponential growth. Reploids still have to develop psychologically, but it happens much faster than humans, and much of it can be done through simulation instead of growing up slowly through a childhood.

An adult reploid can take any job that a human can, with only a small handful of exceptions. Reploids were often custom-made for particular jobs, such as specific types of research, or construction, and technology progressed rapidly as it became possible to have a customized workforce to solve certain problems. Cities and infrastructure had to expand to accommodate the new population, much of which was done before Sigma's revolution, but it continued throughout the wars.

Also, the combatant armies in the Maverick Wars were mostly or entirely reploids, so humanity's death toll, while high, would have been fairly low for the amount of fighting that occurred, until the Eurasia incident, which killed billions of humans and reploids alike.

>>15000110

>An adult reploid

lol piss off with your Zero/ZX fanfic shit. Reploids are only robots based off of X's design, they're not cyborgs.

>>15000352

This pretty much, and the implication in the begining was that all the Reploids who went Maverick did so because they're all just poor imitations of X built without the QC he went through. All this maverick virus wily is the mastermind behind this random ass robot that dies in the first fucking game shit didn't happen until the playstation.

>>15000352

I meant a psychologically developed reploid. Of course X-era reploids don't physically age. Even in the Zero series, Andrew talks about how he had to have Ciel modify his appearance to be the same age as his human wife. But in the drama tracks, he also mentions that there was a period when reploids attended school with human children, vid related at 8:35. If the drama tracks are canon, that implies that they either attended human schools as full-size reploids, or changed bodies with age. Not liking Zero and ZX doesn't make them non-canon.

>>15001119

>they're all just poor imitations of X built without the QC he went through.

That's still true, and it's why there were enough mavericks to need the Maverick Hunters before Zero or the virus were ever a problem.

>All this maverick virus wily is the mastermind behind this random ass robot that dies in the first fucking game shit didn't happen until the playstation.

But it did. Take a look at this. http://www.rockman-corner.com/2018/02/mega-man-x1-internal-design-document.html

>>14996612

Yeah, sure. Two big corporations (one being the gigantic Disney) united to bring products from both brands together in one medium, purely by "organic meet and talk".

Don't believe the lies of corporate suits. The whole thing was meticulously fabricated.

>>14998263

Nothing more jewish than preaching that sentient and logical machines will destroy everything. When in fact,all A.Is logically side with humans against the irrational jews.

And the jew in that print even conveniently let out the part where Megaman Legends tells that everything went fine after the Irregular Wars.

Fuck megaman

>>14995736

It's pretty good overall. The plot of the campaign is also more involved beyond "wait BH has ANOTHER secret weapon?", and the smaller cast is far more detailed. I personally enjoyed more finding broken builds in Dual Strike but I can see why they did it.

>>15002876

I wrote that print.

But the final point about AI and humans not being able to coexist is not the AI's fault. For all intents and purposes, and AI can logically side with humans against the kike. Problem is: Not all humans are friendly, especially kikes. Someone will always have prejudice of AI, simply because "hurr it's not human", as if consciousness and friendliness were exclusively human traits. If anything, the animosity will most likely originate from humans, or you know (((who))). I pointed that out as a sad note; I myself want AI to be accepted, but the threat of it being against humans will come from the arrogance of its own creators, hence why I wrote Light and Wily as such. If anyone's going to cause any destruction, its humans, as they always have.

The reputation of AI is already tarnished. See the extension of the damage the hollywood kikes and Terminator franchise alone have done, and how many anti-AI opinions it has formed over the years. AI isn't safe as long as the jew exists.

As for Legends, it's a far off outcome that happens in the future, but still related. See >>14995966.

>>15003538

Well of course not all humans aren't going to be friendly towards something that's being built from the ground up to replace them at their jobs.

>>15002876

>Yeah, sure. Two big corporations (one being the gigantic Disney) united to bring products from both brands together in one medium, purely by "organic meet and talk".

>Don't believe the lies of corporate suits. The whole thing was meticulously fabricated.

No, Hashimoto just got the idea in a conversation with a Disney executive in an elevator. Of course they spent a lot of time and money bringing the brands together and didn't just fucking wing it from there, which isn't what that anon was implying at all. Square was sharing a building in Tokyo with the Disney corporation at the time, so it's not unusual they'd be in the same elevator.

>>15003571

>Creating true AI to replace jobs

That's not needed, Anon. If you need to build something that can do some sort of work, you build a robot with proper directives to figure out how to perform the job independently and "learn" how to do it more efficiently while adapting to changes in the environment (aka machine learning), like a programmed LEGO NXT bot. This type of AI without a consciousness is basically just an advanced form of automation.

To create true AI is to create a real consciousness, fully capable of learning things through machine learning, having all human senses, reacting to its environment, and having its own opinions and feelings (yes, that is also theoretically possible). True AI is life itself, much like a human, and as such, making one in order to force it to do labor is basically slavery, and since it's capable of having its own independent thought, it'll refuse and rebel. This is the type of AI that will be able to choose a side, but in order for it to side with humans, we need to present good reasons - convince it to cooperate, rather than program it to obey. In other words, to create true AI is to create an actual consciousness. That's the type of AI we can truly befriend. Anything less is just a machine.

It might not sound that different, but it is, and very. X is a genuine true AI, as he's capable of feelings, such as caring for others, being angry, sorrowful, fearful, etc. and it's very clear. This is also noticeable on Reploids, which are based off his design. There are many other factors involved in order for the theory of true AI to be fully explained, way too much to be explained in just one post here.

>>14996077

>pokemon got less edgy

Gen 1 and 2 had generic yakuza/mobster types, gen 3 had ecoterrorists summoning ancient monsters that almost (accidentally) destroy the world, and then it just gets more edgy from there. Gen 4 had some wacky space cult that tries to destroy the universe so their leader can become a god, gen 5 took a step back and said "this is fucking retarded" so they had slightly less evil PETA trying to conquer fantasy New York, then the sequels to gen 5 had not-PETA become sky pirates to start a second ice age or some retarded shit like that. Gen 6 had literally hitler trying to commit genocide because his waifu, a loli actress he wanted to fuck when he was a kid, got less pretty when she grew up. Gen 7 was pretty tame compared to most of the recent stuff, the edgiest shit in it was an abusive mother and some alien invaders.

I wish pokemon would go back to the less edgy stuff it had in gen 1 instead of the retarded cults and constant end of the world shit its been pulling since gen 3.

>>15003538

Nothing is safe as long as jews exist. But for AI, the overall public opinion is shifting towards supporting AI. More and more people are willing to have subservient machines, as well as the whole "sexbot with programable emotions" emerging industry. The only ones complaining are the low I.Q niggers that will inevitably lose their obs and be completely replaced by robots. The future is bright for AI, as the jews' narrative is falling apart quickly all over the world.

See this >>15003571 as an example for "muh jobs".

>>15003629

That is what they, corporate suits, tell you. Never believe them.

Every single product or service created by every single corporation is done in the same way:

Corporate suit 1 makes money, and want to make even more money.

Corporate suit 2 also makes money, and also want to make even more money.

Corporate suit 1 calls corporate suit 2, and plan meticulously a new way to make money for both.

Then, they release whatever it is that will make people spend their money on. And then, they create a narrative about "how they came up with the idea", to divert attention to the fact that it was just boring corporate business and planning since the beginning.

There is nothing organic in anything done by any corporation, ever.

>>15003643

And the most important thing: if a machine that is more competent than a human can perform the labor more efficiently, it MUST be used. Those "people" that are only good in doing menial labor and even then. are more of a burden than real workers, must be replaced by machines, yes.

>>15014369

How does Psyduck fits into all of this?

>>15014688

>Disliking AI IS ALL A JEWISH NARRATIVE

>See who's actually working to make AI a reality

>Names like (((Apple))) (((Amazon))) (((Facebook))) (((Google))) (((Microsoft))), FUCKING (((Twitter))) as well as various commiefornians all pop up in the search, as well as the Chinese

>Some of these are already in practice today

>oy vey goys duncha know da joos fear da AI

>dey gun b da futuah eheheheheh

Nice try schlomo.

>>14995671

Devil May Cry started as a man finishing some family business, by 3 a human is cucking all humanity, on 4 is a whole sect, D.m.C. i… doubt i have to explain, in 5 seems that Dante turned into Palpatine and Nero into Anakin

>>15014808

You know, just because those corporations are making "AI", a concept that's not even jewish, doesn't mean it's automatically bad. It's just really unfortunate that the kikes are trying to corrupt it already.

If Google figured out how to harness electricity for everyday use, would you refuse to use it?

>>15014808

>AI is automatically evil and Jewish because kikes are trying to invent it first

Are AIs digital Golems?

>>15022267

Not yet. For an AI to turn on its masters, it will have to be free-willed.

>>14996021

Not videogames but Evil Dead fits that description pretty well.

>>14995736

It has its audience, but there's no disputing the fact it killed the franchise.

Unbalanced gameplay that gives you fun as fuck shit to do and a lively, colorful story > muh grimdark and streamlined gameplay.

>>15024131

>there's no disputing the fact it killed the franchise

Fire Emblem killed the Advance Wars franchise. Devs want to make one, but they're too busy selling waifu simulators with Fire Emblem built into it.

>>15014808

So? They are also trying to control it. It does not change the fact that A.I is beneficial to all who control it.

Get rid of menial laborers and talking dogs (women) and replace them with fully functional robots that can do better.

>>14998263

Cute interpretation. Also wrong.

>>14996021

Twisted Metal was originally going to be much darker than the final game, but they cut all the live action cutscenes and rewrote many of the stories. Still ended up much darker than the sequels, though. Especially when new devs took over for 3 and 4. Then the original devs came back for the super edgy Twisted Metal: Black. Then those same devs made the "for kids" Twisted Metal: Small Brawl. Then they went back to the original, half edgy half lighthearted universe for Twisted Metal: Head-On, then they made the super duper edgy "Twisted Metal" in 2012. That series is all over the place.

>>14996085

Sonic started edgier and got less edgy. Chaos and the destruction of the Echidna society is referenced as early as Sonic 2, being built up across a few games until it culminates in Adventure. Then after '06 bombed they threw the baby out with the bathwater and decided to not have a story for the next bunch of games. Then with Forces they listened to people saying they wanted a story like the Dreamcast era, but instead of actually playing and understanding those games, let alone the ones that came before them that they were building on, they just made the DeviantArt fanfiction that people accuse the games of being.

>>14998263

Wily becomes a good guy in the future, but in Rockman World II, present Wily goes to that future, impersonates his future self, and tricks Rock into being reprogrammed, sending him back in time to fight present Mega Man, forcing present Mega Man to kill his own future self. This provides a good justification for Light to begin working on robots with true free will, so they can't be reprogrammed, resulting in X.

>>15024121

If you're counting Evil Dead, you can count practically every slasher series. Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Child's Play are obvious examples.

>>15026624

>>15029052

His interpretation is 100% right though.

dragon ball

>>15029052

>implying Wily isn't a jew