/v/ - Video Games

Meleefags are THIS salty.

Upset your game isn't gonna be in evo after this year that much melee anon?

>introduce directional air dodge but no wavedashing

>implying there won't be wavedashing

Wouldn't it be 3.75 as Wii U and 3DS is basically Brawl

这就是大陆贴吧啦，没想到有这么好玩

>>14989201

>>>/melbourne/

Meleefags like a good game, but they should learn to try other games.

Can't wait to play Smash Bros N64+Melee+Brawl+3DS+WiiU+Everyone!! Ultimate. Easily the Best game shown at E3 this year.

Meleecucks stinky salt delivered right to our doorstep. What a gift.

>all these cuckchan memes

>being this mad

>people actualy replying to bait

>>14989178

I blame it to a mix of the aesthetics of 4 (Brawl went for a more realistic look, so even hastily made ports of 3d models would look good in it), memes (seriously look how many joke mods and characters were made for Brawl), accessibility (wii is easily emulated and modded) and because it's the most casual version of the series, so tourneyfags would improve on it with their autistic rules, but fun faggots would make things that appealed to their inner 'tism.

>>14989222

It's probably because it was the ONLY game shown at E3, other than that MAGA Mech game.

>>14989167

does link have gerudo outfit?

>>14989264

Are you having a stroke, OP? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>14989312

Is that man preparing for a melee tournament?

I think you're trying too hard OP.

I'm not wild about the art style for this game. Everything seems brightly saturated and expressively shiny. I guess they're going for high visibility since it has to work in handheld mode too.

>all the physics and engine are changing but its just a port of 4 because I say so

Why do Meleefags go out of their way to make every other fanbase hate them? Even other smashfags.

>>14989357

>I think the reason Ganon doesn't get changed much is because Sakurai plays him.

Just add Black Shadow, nigger.

>/v/ hates on casuals for ruining gaming

>/v/ also hates on the one group of people with enough dignity and integrity to stick to the game that they believe is fundamentally the most mechanically sound in the face of immense economic, legal, and social pressure and universally reject casualcucked sequels that they believe to be inferior to any degree

Hmmm…

This is your reminder that the only people that hate Melee are the ones who can't gitgud at it on an even basic level. Anybody who is intelligent enough to learn to SHFFL and wavedash loves Melee.

Fuck this, just play Lawbreakers

>>14989167

why didn't you mention: character in DLC ?

>>14989416

>going slow is fun

i mean it definitely looks like it might be the same shit as 4, I need an adventure and story mode at the very least

>>14989358

>t-those evil elitest meleefags! why don't they enjoy the latest dose of soy from based nintendo like me!

I figured /v/ would understand and not want a non-casual experience, but I guess I was wrong.

<still slow as fuck compared to melee

<no ledge-grabbing

<no chaingrabs

Good, keeps cancerous melee players away from this and every other game in existence.

>>14989445

If I'm going to play a children's game, I want it to be as fun as it can possibly be, and Nintendo are denying me that. You cannot argue that making things arbitrarily slow is more fun.

Fast=fun

This is basic science.

holy fuck meleefags are unbearable

>>14989437

>do I fit in yet mum!

Go take a shower.

>>14989491

That's eeriefag youre replying to. Just report him and dont reply in the future

>>14989505

>release game on console people own

That's the successful model.

>>14989511

I want all of that. I also want it to be fast.

>>14989516

So turn up the speed and gravity bitch boi.

>>14989483

I want her to sit on my dick with my penis in her vagina of course.

>>14989525

>single player modes tied to default speed

>online modes tied to default speed

>>14989371

Or just a second Ganondorf. 3 Links, 2 Ganons. Seems good to me.

>>14989383

>/v/ banned Undertale for its fanbase

>/v/ doesn't ban the one group of people who are even more annoying and so disgustingly smelly, even tournament organisers have to tell them to bathe while having the most easily damaged feelings possible

>it's getting so bad tournaments want them the fuck out despite the money and views they bring, making excuses that make no sense so they don't get raged at

Maybe it's because you guys are an embarrassment and simply the most annoying faggots? I'd rather be next to the gayest furry than a regular melee player. I'd be embarrassed and want to leave in both cases, but at least it'd smell less bad before I can get away. Furry would probably be less of a cancer anyway.

Another problem is you guys want something else than most other Smash players and are focused around the Melee pros. You want another Melee, except if that was given to you, I don't think you'd be satisfied. Let's say the next Smash is basically Melee HD, same mechanics, works the same, but characters are rebalanced and there's obviously still the new ones. Do you think Armada and other pros would risk their winnings by basically giving other players a chance? Fox, Peach, Jiggly are not as good, now Ganon and Bowser are decent, there's tons of new characters. They'd make excuses for why they aren't switching to secure their profits. They'd maybe play both while making comments why Melee is somehow better. Maybe you'd get a few fellow-minded guys playing the HD version, but the majority would still be the same guys who prefer Sm4sh. You know everyone would be calling this game casual parroting the pros.

That's the problem. You guys are focused around the pros which you use as an excuse to present yourself as a "dignified, enlightened" group when the only thing other people can notice is that you smell like shit. Pros won't switch, ever, as long as Melee tournaments with decent prize pools exist, because it's not in their interest. They will keep getting their hand injuries, but maybe the winnings can cover it. Meleefags will stay in melee, they will parrot what those aspiring chaos champions of their pro players say while Nurgle gives them more blessings until not a single tournament lets them in.

I don't know what the fuck you're talking about OP, the game still looks pretty fast to me, but I guess you meleefags will never be satisfied wont you?

>>14989538

It should be as fast as Melee if not faster. There's no need to compromise on this issue. Sakurai invented a problem where there never was. No one ever asked for a slower Smash Bros.

>>14989529

>implying your autistic obsession with the difference in character speed matters in single player which is piss-easy regardless

>implying Nintendo's netcode could handle being any faster when it doesn't even function correctly as is

The only good smash play is in the same room with friends. You do have friends, don't you? Maybe the game just isn't for you.

>>14989483

That she is an (((Echo))) character.

Friendly reminder bowser's theme from SMRPG is used in bowser's character video as a remake

That's fucking great

>>14989511

I don't understand tourneyfags, and I hope I never do. Brawl and Smash 4 are some of the best games to play with your friends and just turn your brain off for and have fun. Everything ultimate has shown means it's going to be all that and more.

>>14989545

If it's less fun it matters. The entire point of any game is fun.

>>14989553

But it's only less fun according to you, the vocal, smelly minority who has been a thorn in gaming's collective side for over a decade.

>>14989550

And they'd be better if they were faster. No one ever played Melee and said "this would be more fun if it were slower". No one complained when Smash 4 got marginally faster than Brawl. Everyone prefers the games fast. They just feel the need to fight against this abstract idea of the Tourneyfag.

>>14989555

given the choice, would you make it slower?

>>14989542

No it doesnt, its fast enough.

The game just has to be fun and challenging first and foremost, not an autistic broken HYPER SPEED FIGHTING simulator.

SSBU accomplished exactly what it needed to

You meleefags can keep on fucking yourselves out of an actual fun game for more years to come.

>>14989557

Whoever thought that SSBU was going to be a port are pretty much unironically mentally retarded.

>>14989565

Fast is fun. You just don't want to admit the Tourneyfag boogeymen might have a point here.

I don't even play competitively. I don't care about wavedashing. I want the game fun for me.

>>14989559

I don't know what to tell you anon, from what's been shown the game's pretty much done. Outside of you managing to create an uproar of people to force Sakurai to make it faster this is the final product. Maybe they'll release a tournament mode with what you want as DLC or have an option for it or something.

>>14989573

It should have been fast from the start. Hell, the speed should never have dropped when Brawl was made. There was literally no reason to do that.

>lol tourneyfags BTFO! I've shit my own bed, and now I have to sleep in it!

>>14989571

I agree fast is fun but its good not to go overboard with the speed too.

I think SSBU just hit that perfect balance when it comes to speed and technique.

I don't know why meleefags are still so mad at the game, it looks like its still extremely enjoyable and I think its also a bit faster than Sm4sh.

>casualfaggots and tourneyfaggots arguing in this thread over the game not being Melee

I'm not buying the game solely on the fact that Mario still has his shitty FLUDD down special.

>>14989581

Melee didn't go overboard with speed. No one ever complained about Melee's speed.

>>14989592

>literally racism

The "FGC" only hates Smash because Smash is white.

>>14989272

this is the truth

>>14989604

>Melee on Gamecube

>Brawl on Wii

>Smash 4 on multiple systems, including highly popular 3DS

>Smash Bros brand has grown in infamy over the years

Yes. The content of those games drove the sales.

>>14989495

>I never said it wasn't. My beef is with tourneyfags, not melee.

you are justifying an inferior game by mentioning tourneyfag. like i said: melee is the greatest BECAUSE it is fun for casual AND is still awesome for "tourneyfags"

How come you are happy to have a game with 50% of it's potential striped off ?

>>14989621

Eh. I'm still right.

>>14989615

it has an effect regardless

I can just imagine if the game played like "Melee 2" and Armada came up on stage to 1v3 the celebshits in the invitational instead. He would just obliterate them in 1min flat with less than 80%dmg.

You think that's good PR?

I don't understand tourneyfags. Not every game has to be super competitive or meticulously designed you know? Sometimes you just want to turn your brain off and experience some wacky goofiness with your bros smacking each other around with brightly colored characters without worrying if the outcome is affected by randomness or not. I mean, who cares? It's just a game. Tourneyfags need to get over themselves and realize that not everything is about them. 99% of players have no idea about the mechanics they find so important and those people are the ones that make the game the real big bucks, not you. More depth does not always make a game better. Some games are meant to be pure and simple chaos.

And that's why I play Fortnite. Oh wait, this thread is actually about Smash? That's great, because now what I wrote above will somehow be considered wise and knowing instead of a shit-tier casual opinion like it would be for every other game series.

>>14989604

>Smash 4 outsold Brawl

[citation needed]

Also Melee has the highest attach rate of any Smash game.

>>14989647

If it was bad PR they wouldn't invite him. You think if a game plays like Melee, they have an obligation to invite the Tourneyfags in?

>>14989604

>>14989615

Let's analyze copies sold vs consoles sold

>Smash 64: 5.55 million copies/32.92 million consoles = 16.86%

>Smash Melee: 7.41 million copies/21.74 million consoles = 34.08%

>Smash Brawl: 13.27 million copies/101.58 million consoles = 13.06%

>Smash 4: (9.24+5.34 million copies)/(72.53+13.56 million consoles) = 16.93%

Overall it seems Melee is the most popular among console owners.

>>14989668

*respective console owners

>>14989656

Never played Fortnite, but you're selling me on it, honestly.

>>14989656

>Melee

>meticulously designed

Melee tourneyfags ban most of the game's content. Half of the allowed things are not viable because no one cared about balancing a children's party game. Wavedashing is a glitch and was never intended.

What a joke.

>>14989219

I would hate melee too if the most visible element of my fanbase is full of smelly rapist autist.

>>14989682

>Melee tourneyfags ban most of the game's content.

That content is there to allow you to play the game in a casual le so random xd setting if you want. Of course it'd be banned in a competitive setting. That's why the options to disable the content exist: to allow players to play the game in different ways. Why do you hate flexible, adaptive game design?

>Half of the allowed things are not viable because no one cared about balancing a children's party game.

Melee's viable cast is as large if not larger than most beloved fighting games' viable casts (Third Strike, MvC2, and ST for examples). It's stood up to 17 years of unpatched meta exploration better than any game in history.

>Wavedashing is a glitch and was never intended.

They deliberately chose for airdodge momentum to carry over on to the ground. They knew about wavedashing before the game's release but left it in because they didn't think anyone would do it during real play. This gut decision to leave it in as a fun "easter egg" turned out to be absolutely correct as it's only made the game better.

You are a casual retard who knows nothing about Melee or fighting games in general and are just regurgitating little bits and pieces of misinformation that you've read on /v/ and reddit.

>>14989668

>having the highest per-console ownership on the console that sold the least

This is some nvidia-tier statistics. You'd make a good Jew.

>>14989711

>not understanding why numerical ratios are statistically valid

You'd make a good nigger, if you're not already one.

>>14989710

So then go back to >>>/reddit/ and revel in the soy!

I can't wait for the shills to fuck off with the astroturfing on a casual baby party game for faggot children.

>>14989677

Fortnite is only fun for a handful of sessions. People who persist after that are chasing the dragon of "maybe I'll win THIS time" in a game where a win is statistically extremely unlikely, or just can't afford anything else and play it because it's free and they need their Bing Bing Wahoo fix.

>>14989716

Melee was released a month after the Gamecube

>>14989714

The GameCube almost killed Nintendo and there were very few games on it worth owning. Of course anyone who had one bought fucking Melee. They were starving for anything playable. It's not an argument for melee's supposed success.

I never had a wiiu but I got a switch last year because it was cheap in that one shop. I am ok with these re-releases.

>>14989720

>calling proper e-mail spacing from the 80s that was 100% correct until AOL shitters moved in "meme spacing"

>avoiding proper, clarity-providing line breaks because you are afraid of a forced meme

Hi /r/4chan

>>14989730

Same can be said about WiiU Smash 4

>>14989710

>children don't like speed and fun

I know Daisy is an echo character, but what's her final smash? It can't just be peaches like Peach, but it would make no sense to eat daisies.

>>14989741

Children won't even play this game. They will just watch other people playing it on YouTube. So there's no reason not to make it as fast and visually appealing as possible for their sake, even at the expense of accessibility.

>>14989746

raitos don exits

>>14989668

The gamecube sold the least you fucking boldfaced schemer jew

>>14989738

>B-but the same can be said about Wiiu Smash 4

No you fucking drooling idiot, Sm4sh for wiiu came out 2 years after the wiiu came out, by then the wiiu already had quite a bit of games on it.

How the fuck do you tie your own shoes in the morning let alone learned how to beathe?

>>14989709

>Of course it'd be banned in a competitive setting.

Except it's only melee autists the ones who cannot deal with any randomness in their game. Guilty players haven't banned Faust in games faster, more balanced and with a higher sky ceiling than Melee. SF2 players had no problem with their hits doing random damage and only banned a character outright unbeatable.

> It's stood up to 17 years of unpatched meta exploration better than any game in history.

Melee's meta stagnated quite some years ago.

>They deliberately chose for airdodge momentum to carry over on to the ground. They knew about wavedashing before the game's release but left it in because they didn't think anyone would do it during real play.

I'm going to need some source for this or I will assume your dad works at Nintendo.

>>14989785

Thank god.

>>14989511

>final smashes

"I win" buttons aren't fun, especially when some characters have final smashes that kill one player only and others have smashes that wipe the entire board assuming you aren't asleep at the wheel. Other than that I enjoy more shit in Smash.

>>14989785

But the point of the game is to fight each other, how is it not a fighting game?

>>14989792

It doesn't have arbitrarily obtuse controls, and no gameplay variety.

>>14989792

By that logic Dark Souls is a fighting game

Since this seems to be the current fighting game thread, I have about 1 million FM in SFV, do you think Falke is worth buying?

>>14989775

>by then the wiiu already had quite a bit of games on it

I thought the WiiU has no games :^)

>>14989779

>I'm going to need some source for this

http://archive.fo/If8c4

>This is one that a lot of hardcore Smash Bros. fan have long wondered about. Was the ability to “Wavedash” in Melee intentional or a glitch?

<Of course, we noticed that you could do that during the development period. With Super Smash Bros. Brawl, it wasn’t a matter of, “OK, do we leave it in or do we take it out?” We really just wanted this game, again, to appeal to and be played by gamers of all different levels. We felt that there was a growing gap between beginners and advanced players, and taking that out helps to level the playing field. It wasn’t a real big priority or anything, but when we were building the game around of the idea of making it fair for everybody, it just made sense to take it out. And it goes back to wanting to make something different from Melee and giving players the opportunity to find new things to enjoy.

>Getting upset over Smash Brothers.

Smash Bros is a party game, not a fighter, so why get so invested in it? Keep your tourneyfaggot shit to 4chan please.

>>14989807

>go to party

>only slow, sad music allowed

>don't drink alcohol, that's too exiting and people might get scared

>orange juice and musical chairs for everyone!

>>14989779

>Except it's only melee autists the ones who cannot deal with any randomness in their game. Guilty players haven't banned Faust in games faster, more balanced and with a higher sky ceiling than Melee. SF2 players had no problem with their hits doing random damage and only banned a character outright unbeatable.

I'm pretty sure Melee people have no problem with Peach or Game n' Watch, items are just too powerful of an option and would completely shift the the focus of the game in a negative way.

>>14989807

>shit fighting game

>"I'll just call it a party game instead."

>now it's good

>>14989812

A game's controls should be easy. You shouldn't have to fight against the controller to play a game. Fighting games are retarded. They survive due to needless masochism and niggardly bravado.

>I learned to drive a car with a knife up my ass. Look how tough I am

>>14989189

Yeah, through mods :^)

>>14989189

I wouldn't mind it honestly

>>14989828

So what you're saying is that Smash is actually the best fighting game there is?

>>14989843

No. I'm saying fighting games are a gay genre for niggers, and Smash is better.

>>14989779

>Except it's only melee autists the ones who cannot deal with any randomness in their game. Guilty players haven't banned Faust

Melee players haven't banned Luigi, Peach, or Pokemon Stadium as a legal stage. Some randomness is allowed; it just isn't permitted to turn the game into a glorified Mario Party.

>SF2 players had no problem with their hits doing random damage

They didn't have the debugging skills to know this for quite some time and also had no way to change it.

>Melee's meta stagnated quite some years ago.

It's not developing as quickly as it used to, but it's settled into a place where it has a viable cast that's as large as most beloved fighting games' (which was your original complaint). Your attempt a counterargument doesn't even respond to my point (or your own original point).

>I'm going to need some source for this or I will assume your dad works at Nintendo.

See >>14989805

You are still a casual retard. Go back to reddit.com/r/smashbros if you want an "All Smash games are equally good! If you think otherwise you are a TOXIC ELITIST! >:(" hugbox.

>>14989845

So the appeal really is your deviantArt fan drawings in game form?

My only real problem so far with Smash 5 is that Final Smashes are too simplified.

>>14989461

Play at 1.5x speed mode

>>14989491

>I WAS FUCKING NINE WHEN I BOUGHT MELEE. I LOVED THAT GAME. EVERYONE DID. THERE WAS NEVER A PROBLEM. MAKE IT FAST. IT'S NOT GOING TO SCARE AWAY THE POOR LITTLE CRIPPLED CHILDREN.

Make your own mod or game.

>>14989846

You're kind of right about the fighting game genre being kind of shit in general. Would you like other fighting games if they had the same simplicity as Smash?

>>14989682

>Melee tourneyfags ban most of the game's content.

I will never understand this stupid argument. Competition needs rules and structure. It's like complaining that you aren't allowed to hit your opponent with a gold club or move the golf ball with your hands. All those are already present on the golf course, right? Except you want it to be a fair competition, so of fucking course there are rules about what you're allowed to do. Same shit applies to Melee. It works both as a party game and a competitive game, but the party game aspects make luck incredibly important and are thus removed during serious competition. Hell, you see this in a lot of other types of competition too, with people doing it for fun using other rules than those who do it professionally.

>b-b-b-b-b-but not intended

It doesn't matter if it was intended to be a competitive game. Why would it? Why the fuck would anyone care? Do you only ever play games exactly as was "intended" (if removing items was not intended in Melee, why does a fucking item select feature exist?) with absolutely no thought process on your own? This applies to almost all other forms of competition too; how many sports do you think are played today with the exact same rules as when they were first invented? This is like digging for silver but finding gold, and throwing it away because you were looking for gold. If removing the party game aspects makes it a competitive game, why the hell can't people choose to do that? Speaking of which, do you also hate mods? If playing a game not as it was intended is bad, then presumably you must hate mods too.

This entire Melee shitflinging thing is really absurd. You get all these /v/ fags saying that a game is bad because it's "outdated" or that it has "too few characters" and that the people playing it are "autists who need to let go", and watching it is so baffling when the practically universally shared opinion here is that modern day sequels are casualized garbage. You don't see hordes of people screaming that Doom, Hitman 2 through Blood Money, Deus Ex and so on are outdated and that you should just play the newest releases. Yet the situation is the fucking same, a group of people find a game they enjoy and stick to it because the sequels are significantly different. Only in this particular case they get lambasted for it. Shit makes no sense, and really makes it obvious that the majority of people bitching about Melee do it solely because they've decided that it's something to complain about even when it isn't. Essentially every argument that is used against it is objectively weak ("why do you use rules, why do you take out the party game aspects when you want it to be competitive, why do you play a game the way you want to instead of the way it was intended"), applies to all competitive video games (that it's not balanced) or is just straight up strawman bullshit with no actual value. Shit, people laugh at how bad SF5 or MvC:I are all the time and they don't get bitched at for being outdated. Melee being mentioned makes a large chunk of /v/ turn into bizarroo /v/ and use arguments that they wouldn't use for any other game, because those arguments are objectively worthless. It genuinely is a case of people being so upset that others play a game that they throw all reason out the window just to shit on it.

>Why are you just killing everyone through "accidents"? The silverballers are all over the marketing material, you need to use them as was intended you autist!

>>14989865

Sure. I like fighting games in concept. I just hate that I'm expected to spend hours learning how to control each character just to get in.

>>14989779

>Except it's only melee autists the ones who cannot deal with any randomness in their game.

isn't that the definition of competitive environment?

That's why you prepare a stadium or any place for a competitive match, to reduce randomness as much as possible in favour of skill.

in roland garros, you clean a tennis court before and during a match.

> you do not act like a retard saying: "welp, that's the game, terrain deterioration during a match is part of the game."

it's not

go back and play your shitty current street fighter, were the dev want everyone to be abble to be daigo , blocking shun li special by maching button randomly

you may nto like melee, but melee is objectively the best game out there due to his ability to be competitive AND casual, without sacrificing neither of thoses parts.

it is also one of (if not THE) only "sandbox fighting game" , were you are free to create your own combo with very basic control unlike all other fighting game who obey specific rules.

>>14989557

>I hope they nerf her to the fucking ground.

How about they buff everyone through the roof instead

>>14989841

it's a fangame though, it probably doesn't count

i wouldn't say no to reimu if she gets into smash, but i don't expect it to happen.

>>14989884

why are you expecting nice things from strangers? be your own hero.

>>14989870

>"I have no argument so let me see if le spacing meme xd will discredit him."

gr8 b8

>>14989866

It's really shocking, the only things the anti-melee camp can come up with are non-arguments like

>they don't use soap, LOL

It's just low-effort and /leftypol/-tier, and really unbecoming of the anons here. I hope it's just done as a joke instead of being genuine.

>>14989907

>muh esports everything has to be strictly by the numbers

McFuckingKillYourself.jpg

>>14989914

why do we wonder about specifically player 66 again?

not that i don't expect more newcomers, but still.

>>14989853

>Melee players requiring 3/5 for 64, we can't accommodate them at Evo

Can someone explain what this means or what he's referring to?

>>14989914

Wasn't it said it was belmont?

>>14989929

Melee players want 3/5 sets for top 64 like with their own tournaments instead of just top 8, but that takes far too much time at EVO because they have to accommodate every other game too.

First up faggots from r/smash stop with the plebbit spacing for the love of fuck. Also stop fucking spazing out you fucking retards, Smash Ultimate is putting in not just everyone but EVERYTHING. Actually read up on the game before posting utter gobshite you insufferable little cuntflaps. Your broken ass mechanics that most Smash fans don't give a fuck about are back. They are catering for everyone even you fags.

>>14989812

Smash is like Mario Party or Kart racing games, it's designed to be a fun party thing, not a serious fighter. Melee was literally a mistake. It's clear now that Sakurai regrets ever making it.

>>14989952

Don't hate the game. Hate the Melee "fans". They rank as top tier utter cancer along side Saints Row 2 and Overwatch fans. Melee the game itself is fine.

>>14989812

It's really not confusing when you also factor in /v/'s love of triggering autists whom aren't themselves, and Meleefags are some of the biggest ones out their.

For fightan fans that hate smash it's a matchmade in heaven, but for other Smash fans they're put in the rather awkward position of shitting on Melee by proxy while attaching themselves to the games that play objectively worse. Unless they are Smash 64 supremacists, which is not an invalid position.

I mean you hear people making the same arguments for a lot of modern, casualized release like this >>14989550

>Brawl and Smash 4 are some of the best games to play with your friends and just turn your brain off for and have fun

Being a Smash fan on /v/ is a rather contradictory experience.

>>14989952

He literally described it as the "sharpest game in the series".

Every game in the smash series has been an improvement on the one before it. The only people who think otherwise are masturbating to their idealized version of the game.

This has a lot of content and itll be really cool. Honestly gonna end up playing this for a crazy amount of time. Op is a try hard faggot.

>>14989969

>He literally described it as the "sharpest game in the series"

Sharp as in painful, language barrier.

Your whole post is dumb as hell and reveals a complete ignorance of game design. You could point out just as many minor differences between Marvel and SF or Guilty Gear and SF and say that they're in different genres based on the same logic that you're applying here.

Your criteria for what constitutes an "actual fighting game" are based off of ridiculously specific features that in no way define the actual core mechanical loops of fighting games. I mean, really: fixed health bars, always facing your opponent, and 1v1? Those are 3 of the core defining features of fighting games for you? Not anything about controlling space using hitboxes in an interpersonal manner? You're so much of a brainlet that you really think that gaming genres are defined by the minor largely presentational conventions of their history as opposed to more generalized abstractions of their modes of interactivity?

If I mod Super Mario World to give Mario a health bar instead of his regular hit system, only allow one enemy on the screen at the time, and make it so that he automatically turns to face them, have I made it way closer to a fighting game? By your shitty definition, it's almost there.

Conversely, if we take Super Turbo, replace the health bar with a system like Divekick's tiebreaker where the winner is whoever is closest to the center of the stage after a countdown, allow you to choose to not face your opponent at any given time, and let 4 people play at once, then what does it become? Is it a no-skill party game now? Would it be completely unworthy of competitive play, even in 1v1 or 2v2 formats (which is how Smash is played competitively)? If such a version of ST had come out in 1994, would its existing fanbase have been magically replaced with screaming toddlers?

If Smash isn't a fighting game, then what is it? A racing game? A first person shooter? A rhythm game? "It's a party game!" Maybe it is, but that's just a marketing term, because 1-2-Switch and Mario Party are also party games and they play nothing like Smash.

"It's a platformer!" No it's not. Other than in some of the single player modes, there is nothing in Smash's core mechanics that involves getting from point A to point B by navigating platforming obstacles. It's inspired by platformers to a degree (particularly in its movement mechanics), but it's nothing like actual platformers.

"It's a platform fighter!" Oh, really? Since "platform fighter" is obviously too specific to be its own top-level genre, then what main genre of gaming does the "platform fighting" sub-genre belong to? What genre do you think it's pretty much entirely based on, borrowing its core interaction loops and then tweaking the scoring system, some mechanics, and the environment a bit?

"Fine, platform fighters are inspired by fighting games but they're still not fighting games because they're half-platformer. They're hybrids!" As we've already established, Smash (or any other platform fighter) doesn't even have the absolute basic platformer mechanic of being incentivized to go from point A to point B, so it's not half-plaformer. It's maybe 10% platformer. Masahiro Sakurai was a competitive SFII player. Smash 64 is just a modded version of that. Platform fighters are fighting games. They're their own distinct thing too, but they're still also fighting games. London is distinct from Britain, but it's still British.

You are right about one thing though: Smash isn't a part of the FGC. But that means nothing. The dentistry community is split off from the rest of the medical community for a variety of reasons, but it's still a form of medical practice. If I have a sack race in my backyard, it's not a part of the racing sports community, but it's still a race. Abstract ontological facts are not subject to a vote.

And that's the crux of it. Just say you don't like Smash, they're not in your community, you don't like their community, you don't want them at your tournaments, and you think that they're smelly autists and move on. Quit trying to pretend that you're game design scholars and come up with all of these pseudo-intellectual high-minded reasons that Smash doesn't meet the FGC's high pedigree of cum eating and black people screaming over Marvel because we know you're not and it just makes you look retarded.

If you want to hate Smash (or competitive Smash or whatever else about it that you don't like), quit being a bitch, own up to that, and just hate it properly. You don't need a bunch of Young Earth Creationist-tier "okay, you've got transitional fossils, but do you have transitional fossils BETWEEN those transitional fossils!?" nitpicks to justify yourselves. It's unnecessary and turns you into a laughing stock stereotype.

>>14989978

this post will probably get the thread deleted honestly cause itll cause so much arguing. god i hate that about this board so fucking much

oh man

>>14989812

Smash fans are just better at telling the autists to fuck off.

>>14989992

>Get a life you nigger

Wow, don't shit on undead people!

>>14989974

Lying is not a becoming trait.

>He had some nice things to say about it, calling it the “sharpest game in the series,” he also said the “dazzling exchange of skills was the game’s most exhilarating aspect,” and that Melee’s popularity “fundamentally rested on the game’s speed.”

http://archive.is/71ASc

>>14989982

>cause itll cause so much arguing

/v/ is all about hivemind and the mods are here to remove impurities :^)

although the real reason why this thread may be deleted is mainly because it put the Bipolarity of /v/ into full light

>filthy casual

<autistic tourneyfags

etc…

>>14989668

Another factor that need to be brought up is WHEN the game was released in the hardware lifecycle. Like how Melee was basically at launch.

>>14990057

>PM has the best gameplay of them all. You may call me an autist now

there better be a project m for switch eventually.

>>14990057

How can I call you a retard when you are right?

Who do you man anon? Zelda is by far my best

>>14989862

>Futa.

Die on a fire.

>>14990083

Ivysaur on 3.6, used to really dig Lucas in 3.0

>>14990092

I like her Twilight Princess design (and hate her Skyward Sword design, so I was a little glad they brought it back for 4), but Link Between Worlds Zelda has far more personality to her design than any other iteration of Zelda. I'm glad they changed it up this time.

>Everyone praising Melee.

Melee is cool and all, but have you tried Project M? It's literally supperior in every way.

>>14990115

ALBW/ALTTP Zelda has been my favorite Zelda in terms of design. Hopefully one of her alts is the blue dress.

>>14989978

not a fighting game lol

I hope the new stages come with crazy fun stage hazards and other things. I also like all the items Shown so far. I want to play the most chaotic game I can play.

After going through this thread, I'm convinced OP will not be happy until Smash looks like this. Naturally, this means that he's a fucking faggot.

>>14990157

There goes their memes. Then again, it was funny how Sakurai embraced the Ridley meme.

>>14990149

>Why should I play Street Fighter 3 over Guilty Gear?

You went full retard here.

>>14990163

You should know already smashfags don't play fighting games.

>>14990163

He went full retard in insinuating Smash 64 was an off-shoot of SF2 (assuming it's the same poster). The post brings up fair points but is weighed down heavily by a bunch of autistic nonsense.

>>14990174

>You should know already smashfags don't play fighting games.

Some most likely do, but i guess they're not smashfags?

>>14989167

The Landmaster is retired. That alone makes the whole game shit.

>>14990181

I'd also not mind Cia, even though I hated Hyrule Warriors. Warriors games just don't appear to be for me, even though I played only an hour I didn't really enjoy myself. I don't think there's a point to try playing more.

>>14990200

Considering the Codec calls were legendary while the palutena ones were mostly ignored because of how meme-like it was, I look forward and hope the main focus is on the codec. Just hearing Snake compare most of the roster to events in his missions was highly enjoyable and sometimes heartbreaking (Marth, for example).

>>14990187

I hope you arent insinuiating you partook in any "tearing down" of posts, because yours aren't any better.

When Sakurai himself says Smash is not a fighting game.

>>14990214

Gee it's almost like people can have different tastes and enjoy different kinds of games or something

>>14990218

holy fuck I didn't notice before how much his left eye is higher than the right one, it's not natural.

>>14990212

I like how Snake doesn't like Sonic

Like in Japanese he had the same voice actor as Eggman, but in English the joke doesn't work, so Snakes like "I don't like him" no reason.

>>14990220

But apparently people can't enjoy smash because it's taboo. Fuck off with that shit if you can't even adhere to it, idiot.

>>14990226

Kind of a shame that many jokes just don't survive in translation.

>>14990225

If you had to put up with meleefags you'd look like that as well.

>>14990226

Hedgehogs eat snakes m8

>>14990223

Studio JEW can otherwise get fucked, but I love their HW animation.

>>14990230

Don't put words inside my mouth.

They should've waited a couple more years before pulling the Marvel vs Capcom 2 Dream Match shit. Is it just me, or did they go fucking insane with the rimlighting on Mario?

>>14990245

You came in like an idiot saying some shit you thought was sage advice, you're virtue signaling on the wrong side.

>>14990276

>the devs can't decide what they want their games to be

>>14990218

>genres are defined by what the guy says it is and not by their design mechanics

It's truly laughable how this argument is still used, especially when the man clearly has a bias against competitive play and wants his games to stay away from that classification and justify his poor design decisions. Do you also believe Todd when he calls Skyrim and FO4 RPGs to justify their shitty combat?

>>14990282

It's more that the devs make the games and people who don't define the genres and place them into a catagory. A lot of games can't be wholly defined by a genre either, that's an imperfection, but it's used to get people to look at shit they're interested in.

>>14990291

>who?

https://simg3.gelbooru.com//images/d7/e4/d7e4636b76f8a5358940324420552f00.webm

Too big to post.

>>14990301

hotlink gives a 403 error

>Modders working in their spare time for free make better game

Fucking how.

Sakurai has said he's wanted to quit since Melee , so why the fuck don't you do it already and let somebody more competent take over.

>>14989791

>"I win" button

>a Final Smash is a win button

Dodge you nigger, who has what final smash is easy to remember so just get out of their firing range or knock them out of it.

>>14990303

Weird.

https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3704609

>>14990314

>it's some dumb-ass SFM porn, albeit well-produced

who gives a shit, thanks for going to the effort I guess

>>14990308

>>Modders working in their spare time for free make better game

>Fucking how.

Passion

>>14990308

Because he doesn't like people enjoying Smash in a way he doesn't like.

Which is hilariously fitting given that's exactly how his entire fanbase seems to be as well (tounreyfags and casualfags). The smash fandom and Sakurai were made for each other.

>No wave dashing

Melee faggots are afraid.

THEY'RE AFRAID

EVO GON DROP THEIR SHIT

how is this smash's gameplay any different than any before it?

>>14990433

everything I've seen looks good, but melee fags want ONLY melee mechanics or the game is automatically shot. Not even shit, these people exist and are retarded

>>14990444

no, i mean. did they add anything or change anything? or is it just a graphics/roster update.

>>14990434

>SMASH IS A REAL FIGHTING GAME

it is. it is just not a particularly good one.

>>14990455

>no, i mean. did they add anything or change anything? or is it just a graphics/roster update.

there are some game mechanics changes, for examples directional air dodging is back.

>>14990436

I have no idea, people are actually mad that ridley's in and people are defending Melee every time a new game comes out. It's like those three fucks from Melee's competitive scene go to every site to shit on it.

>>14990434

It's a real party fighting game.

>>14990460

it's more of a 1v1 beatemup game. gameplay wise its more similar to something like double dragon. fighting games are characterized by combos and a 2D "ring" with no platforms.

>is back

dissappointing. i wish they werent so afraid to change the formula or introduce new game modes

tbh i'd like to see the game evolve into a 3D fighter like powerstone, but with a nice ringout mechanic.

>>14990483

meant to tag >>14990471 for that reply.

>>14989167

>still slow as fuck compared to melee

Maybe some other astute anons can comment but based on the tournament/Treehouse footage, Ultimate actually does look a good degree faster than Brawl/Wii U to me.

Is it my imagination or has anyone looked into this?

>>14990543

It does look faster for me as well.

Skip to 6:30, people.

>>14990506

Clones don't bother me, what bugs me is wasting dev resources on characters like Snake, Cloud, and Ryu, despite Konami/Square/Capcom snubbing Nintendo systems at every opportunity for games in their series.

What's even the fucking point of including them in a series meant to celebrate Nintendo franchises?

About this news. Smash wii u played like a massive lumpy turd. Maybe it's because I used the pro controller, but it was the least responsive fighting game I've ever had the displeasure to play. Any chance this re-release won't play like absolute shit?

>>14990516

Infinite is not even out yet you fucking spoon burner.

>>14990561

OK, glad I'm not the only one. It really does look faster and more responsive to me. Someone needs to do a side-by-side comparison with Melee footage.

>>14990561

>6:30

Uh. I don't think that's right.

>>14990436

I really want to see side by side comparison on sm4sh and 5ma5h game play to see. It looked a bit faster to me too but I could be wrong. It's definitely not melee fast though.

But I can't stand these melee fags. No one knew about all the bugs like wave dashing in melee at launch. And now they don't see exploitable bugs in 5ma5h and assume that there are none and everything we've see at the reveal trailer and game play is how the game is played. All the things meleefags like about melee are things that weren't intended to be part of the game and came from bugs.

>>14990562

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo got paid to have those characters in the game, since it's basically advertising for third party characters. And it's some of the best you can get. I wouldn't be surprised if the third party reps were made by the third parties, either.

>>14990582

6 hours 30 mins, i did the same thing.

What are the current tiers in SFV?

>>14990561

What I can notice very clearly is that the amount of freeze frames, hitstun and hitlag have been reduced (this is especially noticeable with Samus' screw attack e.g.), and they reduced shieldstun along with landing lag from aerials/airdodging.

>>14990483

>it's more of a 1v1 beatemup game. gameplay wise its more similar to something like double dragon.

being a (versus) beatemup works, actually. that's essentially what adventure mode was.

>>14990565

>Wavedashing was a shitty mechanic from the start and everyone that's not retarded is glad that it's not in the game.

what made it shit?

I like all of the super smash bros games, although I do have to admit the new one looks very similar to 4.

>>14990627

>I'm fine with it because at this point I want a Smash Bros type game that includes most every facet of iconic gaming history.

I'm glad they've added all those cut characters back, but I feel like that's not something I should have to be excited about. I'm reserving judgment on the game play, it does look like a step forward from smash 4 and it looks way better than Brawl, but it's going to change a lot between now and launch, even after launch it's going to get a ton of patches. All these meleefags bitching about not seeing advanced techniques on the first reveal of the game are bitching about the wrong things. I think with them blowing their load with the roster like this, it leaves some disappointment. It was a lot of fun seeing a trickle of new characters added to smash 4. But now we basically know all except one, from when the highest number fighter revealed was 65 and they said 66 fighters.

>>14990653

If Switch was a real console, I'd be upset by this too. But a lot of games that were on Wii U basically made no graphical improvements over the Wii U version. If this was a non-portable console and they didn't have to save battery to go mobile, I'd be pissed. But Smash 5 looks a lot like 4, I got them confused at first when I was looking back at the YT clips from the smash 5 presentation.

>>14990599

It's a glitch and an exploit of an improperly executed airdodge system. Characters gain access to momentum and movement that they weren't meant to, making an already unbalanced game even more worse.

>>14990670

>It's a glitch

>an exploit

oh no

>making an already unbalanced game even more worse.

which characters were made unviable by wavedashing?

>>14990670

Wavedashing helps more characters than it hurts tbh. Ganondorf wouldn't be viable without it, for example. The only 'characters' wavedashing hurt were the people who weren't autistic enough to learn how to do it constantly.

>>14990696

Oh yeah, Smash Star Fox And Shiek Edition has a balanced roster!

>>14990696

I didn't think he meant to say it made characters worse, it helps good characters get even better, resulting in a more unbalanced game.

>>14990708

>Oh yeah, Smash Star Fox And Shiek Edition has a balanced roster!

Are you telling their superiority hinges on wavedashing?

This site is full of retarded nigger faggots who are anti fanboys of certain developers. No matter what they had shown, OP would have been posting this kind of gay shit.

The game uses new assets for every character and stage though. Everything has been recreated in unreal engine 4.

>>14990579

>>14990561

heh .. no

but since ARMADA and mango played it, it could be nice to hear their opinions

1:45 unless you want to see armada meditating

>>14990696

>oh no

Stay mad. In this case that defense doesn't work because it actually significantly alters the way characters move in a way that they were not designed to. This affects balance, which is my point, and gives the game ~5 viable characters.

>Which characters are unviable?

Shifting goalposts. My point is that the already unbalanced fox, falco, and shiek are elevated further into godtier. Characters like Zelda and Link, who already have big problems, are further placed into shit because they have bad wavedashes.

Wavedashing is a very important contributor to making the viable characters as untouchable as they are and it wasn't even intended to be part of the game.

Considering the Touhou fanbase is 90% waifufags and spergs, an influx of normalfags would actually be likely to improve it

>>14990764

why get so technical about a party game? might as well explore the intricacies in the balancing of mario kart and mario party

>>14990783

I agree completely.

>>14989219

how ironic you post a man who refused to make a good and non-rehash Star Fox title while Sakurai decided to try Ridley again after his first real attempt

pretty stupid i say

>>14990579

>>14990561

M2k's thought. (embeded because it's short)

Armada's : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0r8BpON5mE skip to 4:00 copy/past it to hooktube yourself faggot

>>14990765

>spergs

>>>/somethingawful/

>an influx of normalfags would actually be likely to improve it

do you think they can dilute the tumblr infestation in the fanbase?

>>14989357

>I think the reason Ganon doesn't get changed much is because Sakurai plays him.

stop citing fake news assumed by Smashboards cancer

>>14990797

>copy/past it to hooktube

>paste it

>to hooktube

>to

get aload of this goy.

>>14990743

Those two are swedish right? one looks like a numale, the other one like a homosexual bottom bitchboy. I'm just guessing here.

>>14990818

You're about right. The bitchboy is a shit-talking legend though.

>>14990812

They've made slight changes to him over time. Since melee, his aerials have changed and now, his smash attacks all use the sword. Maybe next game they'll even change his specials :^)

>>14990808

At the very least, watching the normalfags react in horror to the spermlords and tumblrinas would be funny to behold.

Of course, you'd only get normalfags in 2hu if they changed the genre of the mainline games. Those fags can't handle danmaku

>>14989371

>not (((Blood Falcon)))

>>14989431

Amen

>>14989416

sakurai is probably going to do a more in-detailed Special Smash where you can also decrease knockback and adjust the gravity/speed of the game

or just add a Melee/64 Groove and call it a day

Meleeincels still gonna bitch Fox isn't at the top again or Puff not being cut to avoid the Hungrybox massacre again, lmao

>>14989547

its really his final boss theme from SMB3

sorry doug

>>14990871

He's just a Falcon recolor, literally.

>>14990953

I would put 64 higher and remove Ultimate for the time being, but yeah, I can agree with this.

Also, Nintendo is streaming Smash again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O-ZUXGcuWU

>>14990990

>>14990953

Silly Melee was fun for a day too. Really absurdifies the game.

>>14989383

>/v/ is a hivemind

Respond to posts, don't treat a board like it's 1 guy.

>>14990953

put ultimate up above melee, 4xM at front, 64 above 4

>>14990935

like Dark Pit :^)

>>14990157

Shokio chimp out over Ridley

even got called out by his bro, Blackb0nd, for being a wrong bitch nigga

he's even on twitter claiming he was right about Ridley being hunched and scruched not realizing he's actually fucking tall when taunting

https://twitter.com/Shokio_YT/status/1006586326320328704

https://twitter.com/Shokio_YT/status/1006578171196706817

>citing a sandnigger's Roidley mod, built since he was 14, that heavily backs Sakurai's Ultimate Ridley

ohnononono look at the top of his heaaaad

>>14990935

still workable man

speaking of (((echoes))), they should give some light to Phantom Ganon

>>14990959

Does 4M have Knuckles? No? Then it's shit.

>>14989754

I have to be frank, I don't understand the love for them. It's just a couple literal niggers screaming rumors.

Smash has been a party game from the start. It's just a group of faggots who put about 50 restrictions on the game in order to be semi comparable to an actual fighting game of any quality. People who take it seriously are as pathetic as the tourny fags who think they're on par with other fighting game players. If you want good fighting game play something else. If you want a "fun" party game play older Mario Party games. If you want a dumpster fire with the only redeeming factor is being able to see your favorite Nintendo characters zip around a stage with eyecandy "references" all over the place get a bib and play Smash. Either way people who unironically think these games should have continued past melee are fucking retarded. The novelty wore off past that point with the only redeeming factor being Brawls OST.

>>14990237

trintran said his tendonitis shoulder problems is all gone now

>>14990291

there's a 85% chance of her being a echo or 70% for unique fighter that isn't a straight up port of HW Impa

>>14989547

>Bowser's theme from SMRPG

>"I was born after 1992"

Nintendo is streaming SSBU again!

Look at the dashdancing and pivots!

>>14990291

Initial design looked cute.

>>14992045

Zero is also fat.

>>14992045

Who fucking cares if its slower paced, Smash 64 is even slower than Brawl but it was more fun to play without shitty sweetspot ledge grabs.

Global increase of speed is not the end-all design for good games.

>>14991387

Not a bad echo selection.

>>14990852

Black Shadow, as THE heavy evil F-Zero racer is a natural fit for Ganondorf's moveset. Samurai Goroh would be cool and all (Not as cool as Pico), but we're talking about filling Ganondorf's spot so that he's free to have an actual fucking Ganondorf moveset, so he would be the natural fit (and is a perfectly inoffensive addition to the roster, having been part of F-Zero since X).

>>14992143

see the video >>14989907 it's not that it's slower paced (the video compare street fighter)

but it's that it is much more forgivable . you do not have to be a verry quick thinker and push everything to it's limit, you just have to trade 1-2 blow them space again, you do not have big combo game on smash4, it take much more to eject or be ejected.

>>14989920

>tournaments should be won by chance rather than skill

Jesus fuck end your life you waste of matter.

>>14992284

>Push everything to its limit