badc6f No.14979592
What are some extremely flawed games that you still personally love /v/, and why?
Pic related is mine. SA1 and Heroes are buggy, riddled with their own problems, and SA1 hasn't aged all that well. But, goddammit, I'd be lying if I didn't say I enjoy both. Heroes does so many things right imo, and the team mechanic is a great idea. Plus the level design in Heroes is legit great. SA1 has my personal favorite 3d Sonic controls, and it's the closest to being a true 3d rendition of the classics. I like 4/6 of the game (sonic, tails, knuckles, and gamma), and the shitty parts (Big and Amy) are really short anyway.
f07076 No.14979805
>another thinly veiled sanic thread
i hope mark bans you
badc6f No.14979842
>>14979805
>sanic thread
learn how to read faggot
a625e6 No.14980025
Im too lazy to go into details but, Two Worlds, RE6/Op Raccoon City, Never Dead, Brink… I think I might just like garbage.
7182a9 No.14980045
>>14979592
Alpha Protocol, its combat is shit and its AI buggy, but its dialogue choices and branching paths were very innovative.
>>14979805
>t. Mark
34f29c No.14980665
When you look at the main mechanics like: stealth, driving, parkour, gunplay - they are bare-bones, but they all work with each other really well, basically a prime example of working better as a some of it's parts. It's really similar to Just Cause 2 in that regard and also shares similar issue - it makes your completionist mindset screw with you - and make you go after all the side content, only to get bored of it.
34f29c No.14980671
625de3 No.14980999
>>14979592
I am legit curious what you think Heroes "does right" because the game is such a broken mess it's barely salvageable beyond the concept.
0a5812 No.14981338
>>14979592
The adventure era games were flawed, and sadly they were never refined. I personally dislike the boost and lost world era games.
Adventure 1 is very good however.
116c67 No.14982149
>>14980665
Mercenaries PC never ever
000000 No.14982214
Mass Effect 3
Oblivion
Skyrim
Starcraft 2
Fallout NV
569d87 No.14982226
>>14982214
New vegas is only flawed in it's engine
3b2a00 No.14982243
It's cheesy, kind of overlong, but it sort of works together. There should be should've been more spinoffs set in the Tiberium universe, honestly. How is Renegade X? Is it good?
Renegade 2 would've worked wonders with the commandos of C&C3 but honestly EA would've fucked it anyways
000000 No.14982282
>>14982226
and the need for mods in order to get basic shit running like propper iron sights. But with some tweaking here and there I love it.
572252 No.14982310
>>14980999
This. I really want to like Heroes, especially since I'm still a big fan of the two Adventure games and have my fingers crossed for a true third game. But every time I give Heroes a chance, I can only go through a few levels before getting extremely frustrated. The way the characters move is so twitchy and you can die so easily due to the slightest input mistake or the level just having a bullshit mechanic which doesn't work properly. I love the aesthetic, the music and some of the levels I can kind of enjoy but it's just a mess overall.
9c5310 No.14982426
>>14980665
Dont forget that you are also playing for the bad guys team. :^)
6a6a56 No.14982504
As a kid, I loved tic-tac-toe. I remember playing it nonstop with my friends back in the day. However, anyone older than 5 years old quickly learns that tic-tac-toe only has a few ways to win that can be easily memorized that forces every match against normal people to result in a tie. As an adult, I can look back at this flawed game and appreciate all the great memories it left me.
1dac4e No.14982510
Soul memory makes the game smooth instead of minmax retardness
Best scenarios, full of water and sun and rain instead of excessive grimdarkness
PvP works with every build, you can win without using high-poise ultragreatsword or other broken mechanics from DS1/DS3
Challenging game and maps alltheway instead of boring minions and OP bosses as in DS1/DS3
Small summon sign is the best thing, make you help someone in the map without becoming boring
Summon works and is useful for other thing than earning XP in boss fights(Estus Recovery)
Due both things above, there are summon signs everywhere instead of only before certain bosses as in DS1/DS3
Covenant's summons/invasions works
Best waifus, no blind whores
badc6f No.14982786
>>14980999
>Cool Team mechanic
>cool leveling up mechanic
>Tight level design that has a lot of hidden pathways
>Better rail grinding than SA2
>Unique envirorments
>Music
>Voice acting
>No mandatory Chao garden emblems
>No other play styles;all teams play relatively the same, exactly how the classic games did it.
8fb9f9 No.14983020
Better than any of the Trails of Cold Steel games. Fite me.
84d6ec No.14983118
>>14982510
>badmouthing maiden in black
c8baac No.14999003
b6d5df No.14999033
>>14983020
If you're talking about the original japanese NEC PC-9801 releases, yeah sure there would be no debating there. But if you're talking about only the garbage PSP "remakes" you would have to be absolutely fucking retarded to think that.
5540be No.14999404
>Tfw Heroes memed as bad game
>tfw no mods for the pc version ever
>tfw if it ever got a rerelease for pc that might revive a modding community it'd have denuvo
I hate planet
7c9c9b No.15000765
metal slug 5.
It definitely is better designed than 4, and accusations that enemies are just "modified rebels" miss a lot of nuance, but it definitely misses the mark by quite a bit, there's tons of unused content, the game feels a little bare, the sliding mechanic wasn't very well thought out and the humor is almost completely absent, even more so than the first game. The game is still really fun, mostly fair, and varied enough to hold my attention.
Same with Advance but that one isn't as good.
d8f163 No.15000788
>>14979592
Never played SA1. SA2, played it and loved it. Sonic Heroes was a huge disappointment and the first Sanic game I remember that flat out sucked balls. And the rest is history. Sonic Team fucked up hardcore.
4b317a No.15000795
When they fixed the framerate this game became great. The only bad thing is the soul memory system, but I hate doing PVP in souls games so I really don't mind it. I'd play it any day over Dark Souls 3
a4b97c No.15000804
ff8700 No.15000894
Stellaris. Too many flaws to list but it does one thing perfectly right: real time. The worst part of grand strategy and 4X games is always having to deal with the slow AI turns, which tend to take longer and longer as the game progresses.
>>15000795
It's far more replayable than than DS1 and the co-op is way more fun. But Lifegems are retarded, level design and world cohesion is bad, and big humanoid bosses with swords are too prevalent. Fume Knight and Sir Alonne are both amazing fights though.
76a8fc No.15000912
>>15000765
The only reason I haven't gone past MS3 is because they changed the soundchip or whatever it was and the music became CD quality. For some reason got rid of large part of the charm for me.
33ec23 No.15000913
>>14982426
Obviously, you're playing as an Irishman.
c2b04f No.15001056
>More than half of the game cut out due to publisher going bankrupt and forcing the dev team to tie up lose ends so they can release it for a few last shekels
>Terrible scoring system that encourages you to play very fast and efficiently, making the more subtle parts of the game mechanics, such as the hidden Intelligence/Attention/Disciple stats, completely irrelevant.
>Some parts of the game are extremely RNG-heavy due to bad/buggy/unfinished AI, basically requiring you to just hope the mortal does what they are supposed to do the first time and you dont have to wait through multiple AI cycles
>Numerous gamebreaking bugs that can randomly occur and force you to restart a mission, such as a mortal getting stuck on stairs, making them invincible, preventing you from completing the mission
>Not enough gold plasm (EXP) in the game to fully upgrade all your haunters due to all the cut levels, forcing you to pick and choose instead of being able to just upgrade everything
Despite all this bullshit, its still one of my favorite games of all time, I do at least 1 playthrough of it a year. I highly recommend it.
Seriously though, such a fucking tragedy of wasted potential.
I spent a lot of time digging up for info on unused content, concept art, pre-release interviews, ect, ect.
If it actually got the chance to be finished it could have seriously been a fucking masterpiece.
94fda5 No.15001114
>>14983996
I don't consider it flawed. Only from a perspective of a person who doesn't enjoy SMT and jrpgs in general it can be called that. And that said its unique to the genre and series as well.
d3677c No.15001143
>>14979592
I love it, and put secret rings while you're at it.
57e44c No.15001210
>>14979592
>>15001143
>hey look at me I love eating shit
Just post the bat tats and be done with it.
bfdbf6 No.15001219
>>15001210
Okay, I guess you WON'T have a lick of this delicious, moutherwatering refreshing chocolate fudge ice cream.
631314 No.15001427
Daily reminder that Sonic Heroes is the second highest selling Sonic game of all times.
568f52 No.15001439
>>15001219
Fuck off you've posted this before.
31cec1 No.15001632
Saints Row 4. It inherits a ton of problems from SR3 (limits in customization, shitty city, no mission replay so fuck all to do after beating the story, upgrade system that means the devs couldn't balance the game like they could a fixed PC toughness, weapons that have to be upgraded to be worthwhile), it's very divorced from SR2 in gameplay and even with 100% completion it's not even 25 hours long. On the other hand the actual gameplay is fun and works fairly well. Unlike SR3 the humor works (though, again, it's completely different from SR2's style) and most of the missions are fun (Asha's loyalty mission overplays its joke but the rest are fun).
>>14983996
I'm glad it got a sequel that improved so many of the rough edges.
282cd1 No.15001830
>>14982310
>>The game is barely salvageable beyond the concept
>Proceeds to bash the game's execution of its concept
aa0855 No.15001960
>>14982504
It's really strange but I feel the same
To this day I haven't learned how to win in that way that everyone knows
Somehow it feels like the magic would be gone if I knew
Sage for autistic contemplation
21b7ca No.15002628
>>15001632
Raidou 1 > Raidou 2
0b5855 No.15002655
SONIC XD
SOOOOOOONIC XD
I LOVE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONIC XD
3a694a No.15002662
d0dd5b No.15002686
>>15001830
Imagine being the ~90IQ mystery meat who thinks this comment is clever.
35a484 No.15002706
>>15002655
SONIC BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!
b80019 No.15002749
Stalker, morrowind bioshock
9d4035 No.15002780
Borderlands 2.
Fuck listening to Burch's shitty writing, but getting some decent guns at OP8 and killing the fuck out of raidbosses makes it somewhat worth it.
b86266 No.15002798
For Sonic titles, I loved Forces. Its flawed but it was beautiful and custom character levels were fun and the time goals were enough of a challenge to keep it interesting. Even felt compelled to keep #1 world rank on one of the levels for a time of a few days.
Otherwise I'd say Digimon World Next Order (The only one I've played). Pure autism that I would never recomend to a normalfag, but it was my kind of pure autism.
c8baac No.15002840
>>14999404
>Heroes memed as bad game
It is a bad game.
b3adef No.15002886
Better than the last game in the series tbh.
7c9c9b No.15002918
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>>15000912
that would be the case for 6 and 7, they really do sound extremely generic, but 4 and 5 still use the same arcade board, as far as I know.
>>15002886
I'll one up you, I liked Deus Ex: The Fall. mostly because I wanted a continuation for the book storyline what a shame the PC port was so garbage further episodes were cancelled.
ba7d29 No.15002992
>>15002918
Same for that reason. The book was decent. I didn't realize it did so bad, though. Judging by Mankind Divided it was probably for the best though.
6fca9b No.15004277
>>14982310
Which version have you tried playing? PS2 Sonic games are notorious for being the worst versions of them, and the PC port of Heroes, in particular, is based on a non-final build of the game.
dcf729 No.15004297
>>14982786
>Voice acting
It's solid overall, but Tails' voice is incredibly annoying
6fca9b No.15004329
>>15001143
>2006
>Secret Rings
I can understand Shadow and Unleashed. I could see loving 2006 for just how ridiculously, stupidly bad it is. But Secret Rings' controls and level progression structure are just so goddamn awful, I don't see how anyone can enjoy playing it.
ab6ebb No.15004335
>completely unbalanced upgrade paths
>countless retarded tiny things like 4-directional rolling and not being able to sprint freely while locked on
>the entire second half
But even with all that, god damn, ain't never seen a game blend together rpg and metroidvania mechanics like this. No, I don't mean 'it's vaguely metroidvania-esque and has rpg elements,' I mean the actual order you approach the areas varies based on what build you're going for, and it does that almost exactly as organically as Super Metroid.
>>15000894
>It's far more replayable than than DS1
Nah. It's got more total content, but you usually wind up doing the same areas in almost the exact same way every time. The order might change if you're a sorcerer planning on using fall control to get to the gutter, but it's still all the same shit.
>>15001056
holy shit someone else played this game
bfdbf6 No.15004346
>>15001439
Anti-ice crean fags like you need to be gassed.
d3677c No.15004354
>>15004329
that's what I like about it, it's actual awful
12ec3a No.15004408
>>14979592
>>15001143
Sonic Unleashed deserves a PC release, even today. Modders can unfuck the werehog sections just by toning down the amount of enemies needed to kill for progress. Oh and the medal hunting.
Those are literally the only things keeping SU from being bar none the best 3D Sonic game ever made.
ab6ebb No.15004429
>>15004408
>two thirds of the game (measured by playtime) is the only thing keeping SU from being the best one
12ec3a No.15004472
>>15004429
>Liking the flow of decent Ristar-like platforming getting interrupted to fight 30 of the same boring enemy 20 times
The combat fucked up the flow of the werehog levels. If that shit was toned down it would be a lot better. Fuck having an artificially inflated play time.
ab6ebb No.15004488
>>15004472
If that shit was removed it would be better. Two thirds of the game is unsalvageable garbage.
0a6939 No.15004491
>>15004277
Not him but if I want to try Heroes, should I emulate the Gamecube version?
12ec3a No.15004508
>>15004488
The platforming in the werehog satages was solid you cockgobbler. The only thing holding it down was the forced and repeated combat.
6fca9b No.15004509
>>15004491
If you can emulate it well, yeah. The only thing you'll be missing out on, with the PC version, is a higher resolution.
0a6939 No.15004515
>>15004509
>a higher resolution
You can emulate at any resolution though.
8fb9f9 No.15004537
>>14999033
I'm talking about the remakes. Engrish and mindless combat is better than a game that's 70% watching stock characters pat each other's heads.
63cc11 No.15004550
This game has extremely floaty combat. Imagine Souls-ish combat with lock on except you can move while all your attacks are executing, and attacks have strange animations that make it difficult to predict when your hit actually lands. It does have good hit detection however, and you can take advantage of a weapon's swing to get around shields. Magic is fun as fuck to use too and it has good character variety, with a cool system that tracks your "party" as opposed to an individual (you unlock characters throughout the story and some are optional), and you can change characters entirely if you're having trouble with a mission. Gold works like a "budget" so you can change your gear build whenever you want without permanently losing gold due to shitty sell rates. The levels are quite cool and varied, too. I really enjoy the approach to levels that encourages players to try a bunch of different characters as opposed to the traditional RPG where you are stuck with one character for the whole game and if you make a mistake in your build or buy something you find out you don't like, that means you'll need to grind to catch up. This game takes a more traditional approach which encourages you to find level secrets that add to your total gold budget, and it has secret levels too. I think its a shame that almost no other games are structured this way. Also has a PC port.
>>14982243
My nigga. Played the fuck out of that game when it came out.
63cc11 No.15004567
>>15004550
>Takes a more traditional approach
Should have said "more gamey and less simulationist."
0a6939 No.15004615
>>15004509
>>15004515
Fuck, never mind about the resolution. Apparently Sonic Heroes has tons of graphical glitches when you emulate it above the native res. It's the first game I've seen with that problem.
fe39c9 No.15004638
Difficulty was all over the place and the level design was shit, but I had fun with the shooting.
3212f6 No.15004659
By all accounts i should hate this game. Random Encounters, blocky graphics, etc. But something about it made me enjoy it.
Probably because i cheated for max gold. Just like in Real life money makes everything better
3212f6 No.15004662
>>15004659
Woops forgot pic.
19361a No.15004710
Need For Speed: Undercover
I recognize its flaws, but the cheesy storyline with the awesome car stealing missions never get old for me.
610bc9 No.15004741
>>15004615
I'm playing it at 720p with a phone, it seems fine for the most part, full 60fps, very responsive, in fact, the most responsible game out of all of them, what dolphin ver. are you using?
A game that gives me intense graphical glitches is shadow the Hedgehog, literally on the opposite end of the optimization spectrum.
a961f5 No.15004762
>>15001056
Do you have anywhere to read up on this stuff? I'm curious
0a6939 No.15005079
>>15004741
Your game still clearly doesn't render at 720p from your screenshot. Even when you choose a certain resolution in the Dolphin settings. It get forced back to native res when you launch the game (Dolphin recognizes the game and forces this setting when it launches because they know that rendering it above native res introduces graphical glitches). You can force it back above native res on PC while the game is running but it becomes visually fucked up (black ground, etc.)
Try running it in 1080p and you probably won't notice a difference due to Dolphin forcing it back to native res.
0a6939 No.15005094
>>15004741
Oh and I'm using the latest dev version. I searched around a bit and found that everybody was experiencing this and that for the moment, we're forced to play it at native res.
854b28 No.15005118
>>15004567
>gamey
Please unironically kys. Calling a video game "gamey" is about as retarded describing a novel as booky or a car too automobilely
bfdbf6 No.15005178
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>>15005079
Oh fuck, you are completely right. I was looking at this video and people in the comments were telling us the exact same thing, do you have AA disabled or enabled?
Why don't you try playing the PC version of it?
6fca9b No.15005516
>>15005178
If you had read the conversation, you would know that the discussion over the resolution came from the fact that the PC version is based on a non-final build of the game, meaning it has issues that the console versions don't.
bfdbf6 No.15005538
>>15005516
>Meaning it has issues that the console versions don't.
Like? Explain the issues you've had, not just superficial completionist shittery.
6fca9b No.15005576
>>15005538
Like the physics being a bit off, certain graphical details being gone, that kind of shit. It also shares some bugs with the ps2 version, like certain character voice lines not properly playing. It's just a bad port. It would be like playing the PC version of DMC3, before any of the fan fixes were released.
bfdbf6 No.15005606
>>15005576
Aside from the physics, it sounds like a nitpick, but to each his own.
6fca9b No.15005622
>>15005606
It might be, but why would you play an inferior version of the game, when you can easily play the best version?
bfdbf6 No.15005645
>>15005622
>easily
I wouldn't say that. SH isn't exactly the most polished game out there, only reason to be concerned is if it has game breaking bugs ala 06.
3b1cf5 No.15005654
>>14979592
megaman : all of them
i like it cuz it's my starting games
gta:sa
even tho the game is fuckin old i can't help but to come back to it for mini nestalgia hits
601666 No.15005658
Super Mario Sunshine:
>hover nozzle completely ruins the momentum in platforming
>locations aren't as off the wall crazy as 64
>the best areas in the game are the secret shrines, which give you the more crazy vista Mario 64 levels and remove FLUDD
>Shadow Mario chase levels, red coin hunting and Blue coins were all boring filler to pad out the Shrine count
But fuck it, it's still probably some of the most fun I have in playing a 3D Mario.
0acad0 No.15005676
Maybe half of my library is that.
>>15001210
Even the bad 3D Sonic games are generally fun to break the hell out of, or to laugh at for how atrocious they are. I actually picked up a used PS3 partly to play '06.
dad6b8 No.15005918
>>15005118
It's a tabletop gaming term you cunt, it refers to the design philosophy of the system. An RPG with buying and selling is more simulationist than this game because it requires you to manage money matters, whereas the gold in Enclave is basically a max gear capacity score. It eschews "realism" for the sake of a fun game.