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>>14976449

What do you think are the rest of the Twitch Prime Access items? since I stopped playing for a while and only recently came back I can only assume is anything that came with their original Prime Access, which means maybe Dual Kamas Prime?

>excalibur umbra

what exactly is going to separate this from the standard excalibur?

<mod slots and orokin reactor pre-installed

yeah but what else? if that's it, isn't it just a superficial difference between "umbra" and "prime" models?

>>14976911

Mod slots? you mean Exilus? I assume he will have different polarities and maybe different stats, maybe more base sprint, health, shields or energy?

>>14976921

I didn't think about Exilus, I was speaking about polarity, yeah. My mistake. Still, you get what I meant. Anyway, if these are all the changes, then it really isn't all that different from standard and "prime" models. It'd be nice to see a remix of an existing frame, with new special abilities or something substaintial, for instance.

inb4 all umbra has is a unique peculiar mod slot and nothing else

>>14976957

>>14976944

It would be a double edged sword (no pun intended) if they make it too different from the standard one instead of basically a fancy name for "totally not excalibur prime, plz don't get mad founders" for example.

>>14976980

They'll probably try to milk the best of both worlds by making it Not-Excalibur Prime at first then adding in weird gimmicks in a later patch.

>>14976993

I can think of different augment mods exclusive to Umbra.

PET MOAS WHEN

>>14977014

Pet Clem when?

I don't know how I was supposed to claim mastery rank without spending money or it taking 10 years. This is probably the most money i've spent on a game. I don't regret it, but I feel like mastery grind and buying weapon slots is a bit jewish.

>>14977126

>>14977126

Shut you mouth and look at my wad! I bust my ass everyday all day, I'll treat myself however I like

>>14977153

>Don't pay not to grind, just play with the same frames and weapons for months on end, destroying any fun you would have with the game in the first place.

Have fun being a korean, I'll drop stacks of cash whenever I please without a second thought. Just because I can.

anyone got any ember r34 they could post..for a friend that is

>>14977118

>without it taking 10 years

>crack void relics

>get shit

>post shit you don't want on warframe.market or use the trade chat

>get platinum

>use platinum to buy more weapon and warframe slots, and any other item you may need to increase MR

>use void relic shit that you do want to craft new gear with which you will get more MR

>ad infinitum until you die

The real problem with this process is that it will take you a fuck ton of time to do all of this, because you have to do it in phases. You spend X amount of time collecting items from relics, and then you spend Y amount of time haggling with niggers in the chat for plat. The only reason it takes so long is because the game stacks RNG on top of RNG. Each tileset has its own rewards by mission and by tier, and each of these rewards only appear during a certain reward phase where they have a chance to drop (it goes A-A-B-C for never ending missions, with A rewards being "common" and C being "rare"; i.e. in survival the first two phases (5 minutes each) give you A rewards, the third phase a B reward, and the fourth a C reward, which is shit when you consider that most phases are timed). Then, when you crack the fucking things, there's no way to really stack the odds in your favor aside from having a fuckton of the same relic, because radiant relics still have really shit drop rates for good items, which means you have to get a large number of the same relic and crack them over and over in order to just have a chance at everything that one relic has to offer. This kind of slog is what really kills the game for me, beyond the incredibly repetitive gameplay.

It'd be nice if there was some way to collect rarer items without wasting so much time. It doesn't have to be especially easy, but I'd like to know that I'm getting a good reward for my time.

>what about sorties

Yeah, but they only offer a specific set of rare items, and I think the drop rates are equally shit. No, I'm talking about a special planet (like the derelict) that has special missions that offer only rare drops from their reward tables

>isn't that what vault missions are?

yeah, kind of, but not really, as they only offer corrupted mods, and you still have to waste hours of your life collecting the materials to craft the keys for the derelict.

>but wouldn't this just make the price of rare items drop, thus damaging the game's economy

I'm not sure, I think it would depend on how it's done. Maybe you could gate of a special area that only rewards "rare" relics and such by MR or some other prerequisite. Maybe this area would still have some RNG in place that would make it relatively difficult for players to exploit it by running the same mission non-stop to get good rewards. My whole point is that some better restriction could be put in place that doesn't make the player suffer some arbitrary wait period of an extremely shitty drop rate.

>>14977118

What do you mean by claiming mastery rank?

>>14977168

r34 that is not futa?

>>14977251

not a fan of that tbh not that I hate it some people do like that stuff not going to judge them on that

>>14977245

I think I meant to say grinding or gaining. Got a circuit crossed somehow.

>>14977232

See? I've never been much for being a merchant. I like three things:

>Exploring places

>Trying new guns

>Customization

I don't feel like spamming chat trying to sell shit I don't need. How does warframe market even work? How do you contact each other? I get maybe 4 hours to myself every once and awhile, and I don't want to spend it coordinating sales. I do that all fucking day.

>>14977281

Technically speaking you can do it without money but you will be limited at the very beginning, your starter frame would need to be your main until you settle for a second one either regular or prime, then 1 main weapon from each class where you will dump your forma an potatoes, THEN make a clan to dump resources on it, meanwhile your spare weapon slots for MR fodder, get enough plat to get a few more slots to accelerate the process, finish all research and begin power leveling weapons and frames along the way.

Completing some quests will give you "free slots" don't dump any main blueprints you get from those either, my personal advice, build the Orvius and get a handgun like Pandero or Lex Prime for main secondary so you can duel wield, Orvius destroys almost anything on the star chart.

>>14977281

>How does warframe market even work? How do you contact each other?

Warframe.market is an unofficial trading site. You create an account with an e-mail address and a password. You then have to go to the official Warframe forums and link your forum account to your market account (your forum account is the same e-mail/login combination that you use to log into the game). Once this is done, you can then place an order for an item you're interested in buying, or you can place items you have for sale on the market. The website has an easy to navigate UI, you simply start typing the name of the item you want to buy or sell into the search bar, and the predictive text starts narrowing down your search results. Whether you want to buy or sell, you simply name your price and the quantity of that number of item you want to buy/sell. Then, interested parties will send you a message on the website's chat function or using the in-game private messaging. You can also take the initiative and send messages to those you'd like to do business with.

From there, you simply party up with your client and do your trading.

>>14977326

Don't forget the promo code FREESWORD Assuming it still works that's a free slot at best right there.

As a long term investment for a melee weapon, assuming the melee reworks don't screw with this too much, go for this Zaw.

https://semlar.com/zawcalc/9310

Is a staff, use it with Clashing Forest, add in single elements for viral, pump up crits, sounds stupid when people have blood rush but add True Steel and Organ Shatter, it gives you orange crits at least if not red ones, for as long as it isn't nerfed add Reach, is one of the best melee weapons I have ever used.

>>14977340

>>14977326

>>14977281

>>14977232

There's one flaw with the "sell crap for plat" plan.

It only works if there's people with plat.

Aka, some players inject plat and it trickles down to others.

I'm not gonna act condescending. I have limited vydia time and If I can pay someone for that last rare part of the prime I want, I will.

I also won't wait around for potatos. Run out? Buy a couple.

Usually I overpay items if the trader is nice/educated too. We all support each other you know? They with their time, me with money.

>>14977871

Yeah, when I got a 75% off plat, I spent 50 bucks and got to buy pretty much anything I wanted for a more reasonable price than the damn store. I just walked around making it rain and taking whatever they were selling full prime sets for. I think I walked away with at least 4 of them. Felt like Christmas.

Whats the take on Khora? She any fun to play?

>>14978162

Are you into BDSM?

>>14976449

>image

Saryn is not a lesbo.

>>14977277

Umbra would be interesting, hype aside, if it already had some of excal"s syndicate mods already infused in it. Its would be another frame, a real side-grade, but DE wouldnt put this much effort.

In following the other story quests, I believe Umbra frames will have some sort of interaction with operators.

It's been hinted that umbra frames are either independent from operators, or more frame-focused ratehr than dependant on operator control.

So I'd expect higher base stats (no change to abilities) but at the cost of being unable to call your operator or even benefit from your passive abilities, and other player's operator powers.

>>14978533

That's called corrupted mods and it's already in.

Unless you mean shit like cutting down Armor to increase base shields, in which case, what's the point? People will just max armor and a bit of HP to maximize EHP. Heck, it's a two variable equation that can be solved in 5 minutes for each frame.

At best I could see folks running around with 3k Shield, max speed and 1 HP as a challenge.

Personally, I think it's gonna be:

>Transfer out of frame

>frame moves independantly from you and you can fight alongside it

Wether this is exclusive to Umbra frames or not remains to be seen, but I'm willing to believe it's gonna be this.

Also: part of the quest is you controlling the Operator distracting/hindering ballas while your warframe does [THING].

I'm ready for some Jolly Cooperation with my Inaros.

>>14978885

What if it's exactly like Ex but has friendly fire turned on all the time? Because it's dark and Edgy and betrays it's clan like my favourite Naruto character.

Wait, memeshit aside, I just got an idea:

>take low damage, high status chance weapon that can self-damage

>corrupt mods to lower damage and increase status

>mod it for Radiation damage

>preferably a secondary

>shoot ground

>once the radproc kicks in, kill your own team

Has anyone done this? I once wiped my whole team with Ash's (old) Bladestorm during a Radproc. What a great way to make faggots cry.

>>14978909

Not gonna happen.

DE always plays safe.

>>14977163

I spent a little cash on gear slots myself, but is this really the hole you wanna dig yourself into dude? Just stop posting.

>>14978909

You're too late by a few years anon, you can't self proc radiation anymore.

>>14984002

Are you sure? just Radiation? because I have gotten myself proc'd with viral by accident with the Orvius.

>>14978909

>Playing radiation hazard in my daily ayatan sculpture mission

>Playing as Gara

>Get procced as I mass vitrify

>I turn my team into glass and they gradually slow down until they can't move

Hilarious, especially with the stacked spliter storm that shreds any nearby teamates.

>>14984181

It was removed because of trolling, so yes, only radiation.

So, every now and then we discuss or mostly agree on which frame has the best butt which is usually Valkyr, best boobs Saryn I assume, I have to say, I think Mag has the best legs, at least from the ankle up, I am not much into Quarian feet myself.

>>14985308

>valkyr

>not ivara

Ask me how I know you have shit taste.

>>14985909

>ivara

>not gara

>>14985909

>>14985935

Well, it was Valkyr for a long time, but I would be open to change if you provide the pictures.

>>14985935

>>14985996

i meant Khroa, not gara

>>14977118

There is no endgame, the entire game is the grind. So you're paying not to play. You fell for the Jewish trap, it just wasn't the one you expected.

>>14986160

Post more

>>14985308

Saryn has the butt as well, we just need to get rid of that butt cape.

>>14986218

logged out for the day. sorry

>>14986248

Post more tomorrow

PSA

>Chat constantly disconnects, no real fix

>Enemies come out of thin air

>Enemy AI is retarded and just stares at the wall or runs around in circles

>Can hide behind a wall and shoot the enemy that cant shoot back

>Retarded piss easy missions

>Retarded hitbox means you can stand still and enemy's melee attack won't damage you

Don't waste your time playing this piece of shit, faggots in this thread are most likely playing it only because it's free and they're poor.

Goddamnit, when is Sacrifice?

The wait is killing me.

>>14992593

Probably Thursday or Friday. it's not on today

>>14992593

Probably Saturday morning. Then a week later it'll be sortof playable.

>>14989290

why else would you play such a grind simulator?

remember these guys were watching 8 twitch streams simultaneously just for free skins

>>14992788

8?

try 23

i still have to clean out my mail from last time.

>>14992755

Most story quests were pretty playable on day 1 no?

It's actual gameplay content that takes 1-2 weeks to get fixed. Plains took month.

IT'S THURSDAY ALREADY

WHERE THE FUCK IS IT

R E D T E X T

>>14996419

==I W A N T T O S E E T H I S T O T H E E N D==

>>14977014

I'd pet a moa if you know what I mean.

>>14996434

>jewdows10

How do you even manage to breathe?

>>14996434

>discussion appreciation

fags. I bet you can't say anything critical of the game or its development team on the forums without being dogpiled on by a bunch of dicksuckers or having your account suspended.

>>14996454

Depends on your wording really.

If you're respectful, positive and open minded with your criticisms best case scenario you'll be fucking ignored.

>>14996454

Are you kidding? Who the fuck would post on that cesspool. I got 3-4 posts maybe in a sugestion thread (making Enemies banished by Limbo translucid) and that's it.

I've seen maybe 5-6 people there that looked like cool fellas, and about a couple thousand sycophantic retards that believe themselves to be right all the time yet try their hardest not to offend anyone with their overly sanctimoneous attitude because they know they're walking on eggshells, few inches away from a ban.

The pic is fake btw, but I got some people to shit their pants today with it.

>>14996466

>>14996488

Not surprising.

>>14996517

Let's be honest all forums with registration are like that.

I learned it what 15 years ago. And people were a lot more chill with "offensive" lingo back then.

>>14996860

Yeah, the moment you slap a username right next to your posts, people become egotistical dickheads.

Atleast here we're just dickheads. You know, honest, down to earth dickheads.

>>14996902

ID system kinda ruins muh anonymity

>>14996939

the pros outweigh the cons of it. Usually.

>>14996939

Can't do much about it at this point.

>>14996454

>>14996466

This. I offered a suggestion on how to use Ghouls in a more interesting way than "go kill this roach infestation of ghouls all over the plains." It basically boiled down to Grineer equivalent of Orokin Vaults, but inside the "vault" was an abandoned wing of the tileset, all busted and 2spooky4me, similar to the Harrow questline maps. You would go in, kill sortie-tier ghouls and collect loot that could only obtained that way. The Grineer vaults would spawn randomly on specific tilesets, with the vault key(s) being carried by specific mob(s) on the same map, so you couldn't just spawn in with a bunch of premade keys then leave. The only memorable response I got was from some faggot with like 15k forum goodboy points that said ghouls are used in the plains, there's no reason for my idea to be used

The official forums are too heavily censored and that leads to the development of a community of sycophants. Cancermods spread cancer, etc..

>>14997140

I like your idea, anon.

It would be really cool.

>>14986222

saryn all the way

pure sex

>>14986222

her skirt is cute, suck my dick

>>14985308

Overall Valkyr's got the best proportions, with a respectable bust, good hips, and a nicely defined ass.

Ivara's got a great ass but not much in the chest department. If she were the height of an Elin this would make her god-tier but sadly she isn't

Mag, surprisingly, has the biggest bust size even though it's not form-fitted.

Saryn's got the biggest bust who's "armor" is also molded to the shape and a good ass.

Zephyr, surprisingly, has some great thighs and her prime's lack of a codpiece only improves on that.

Khora has the full package, as well as ember but she has more of a muscular build so it's a bit more niche.

I really wish Equinox wasn't a tranny because the game needs more DFC+Nice Legs.

>>14998122

equinox is not a tranny.

>>14998154

I mean they say that but they are Canadian, and there is no way you can say Day Form is feminine. Even by bull-dyke standards.

>>14998177

Those very same canadian devs confirmed both forms are girls.

>>14998154

Equinox is obviously a tranny, they just caved later to avoid drama.

>>14998199

Yep. Just like Bruce.

>>14998122

Nyx Prime objectively has the best thighs, while Trinity has the smallest tits while still being tits and is thus a best.

>>14998215

>Just like Bruce.

?

>>14998202

regardless of why, the fact remains equinox is 100% girl.

>>14998230

She's a girl in the same way that someone who puts on a skirt and claims to be a girl is a girl.

>>14998233

It's a video game character. She is what the creators say she is. A person wearing a skirt is denying reality.

>>14998238

good thing the creator didn't make that decision to call both forms female

>>14998354

>community editorial coordinator

>>14998354

>post op

>>14998360

I don't get it.

>>14998463

sacrifice soon is the implication

>>14998463

>>14998471

TODAY

>>14998458

You might not have realized, but you're talking to the same retard that goes "High heels = cloves". He memed so much on Octavia (slightly disapointed he hasn't posted it yet) that it no longer has any effect and he must seek some other frame to shit on.

The prophecy says that he will only be appeased when every frame is SJW degenerate shit.

The dark prophecies say he won't stop there and actively try to prove that certain weapons do indeed posses a sexual orientation and they're all homosexual.

>>14998497

>implying I'm the shitsnifferfag

That guy also has an issue against cosmetics

>>14998458

I don't want a tranny frame. I'm just pointing out the inherent concept of equinox is 2 frames, male and female.

>>14998458

its not that i wanted a tranny frame (a hermaphrodite to be more precise) but i just wanted DE to do something far out there and not backpedal on it just because a small group of goys threaten to not buy their weekly plat. again no one would have given a single fuck but of course that whole bruse jenner shit was happening around the same time.

Equinox was pretty clearly supposed to be a dual gender frame. The only reason it might even be considered controversial is because of mentally ill fags who try to make it about them.

>>14998643

Ying and Yang are indeed night/day, but the mythology extend beyond that. It's about complementing halves and they made the forms distinctly different to the point day form doesn't look feminine. If they didn't want to acknowledge that they should have made them both differently coloured night forms.

>>14998665

They're allowed to pick and choose what parts it it they want and what they don't .

>>14998677

I will. the only masculine trait of day form is the shoulders.

>>14998701

>Shoulders

>Broad chest

>Lack of breasts

>narrow hips in comparison to the broad chest

>>14998720

Night form is flat as a board too, and day form has thighs thicker than any other male frame.

>>14976449

I await the melee update to ass blast all the sliding beyblade faggots who paid up to 500 plat for a mod.

>>14998730

Thighs aren't hips. Night form also has the aforementioned hips wider than the chest, and a more slender, feminine frame overall.

>>14998733

They're also going to fuck combing along with it so everyone gets shafted equally.

>>14989290

Congratulations for making it to MR1 and the first planet!

>>14998747

night form is less muscular as her abilities are for support. Day form is offensive, and thus more toned.

>>14998762

Now you're just ignoring his assertions about ratios and tertiary sexual characteristics. Never mind the fact that offensive duties are usually seen to by men and caring/nurturing by women.

>>14998762

That makes no sense considering mesa is also slender and busty and is SUPER offenseive, while oberon is pretty bulky for a support frame.

>>14998773

>Never mind the fact that offensive duties are usually seen to by men and caring/nurturing by women.

the whole point of equniox is that she can do both dum dum.

>>14998781

Those frames have different themeing. Oberon is kinf of the fairies and a paladin, he needs to be jacked. Mesa is a quick qunslinger. Her peacemakers are the weapon, not her muscles.

>>14998788

By your own reasoning Offense=More muscular while Defense=Less muscular. Even going along with your own logic Ember is a thing and the (unofficial) muscle-girl of Warframe. Equinox Day could have looked like that while still both being clearly female and noticeably more "built" than night form.

>>14998807

Name a better example then, because valkyr still proves the point fine enough.

>>14998814

There are no muscle girls in warframe as of yet. Every female frame save for equinox has a slender build with no visible musculature.

>>14998818

Having a healthy body is not being muscular. She has tiny arms and a flat stomach.

>>14998824

Her stomach still has the slightest hint of abs compared to the rest. And her arms do like slightly more muscular than most female frames. But this is moving away from the point that Day Form lacks "'any'' female sexual characteristics. Trying to argue that day form is female is pants-on-head retarded when the only evidence is "because DE said so".

>>14998844

No my point still stands. Neither of those frames have the slightest muscle, except gersemi a little bit.

>>14998850

I'm still not buying that ember is a muscle girl. And equinox has thick thighs and a small waist in day form. DE said so is as good a reason as any.

>>14998885

Why is why I said unofficial muscle girl. Guys can have thick thighs too, especially if they don't skip leg day and bulk up at the gym. I'd use this as a shitty justification for his speed boost, but I'm not that desperate.

>>14998921

Don't you get it, anon?

The porn was inside you this whole time!

What is it, like 7pm at DE's offices?Crisis-driven development as usual. Other software disciplines do "finishing polish" weeks before a release yet they're going to give us the first version that compiles.

>>14998999

And they've been talking about this shit for at least a year.

>>14998999

Hey, as long as it compiles, it's in a better state than Onslaught was at launch!

Steve is streaming https://www.pscp.tv/w/1BdGYolNPEyxX

>Umbra is a skin

>>14999171

He said calling him a skin would be selling him short.

>>14999187

>confusing megan for reb

>thinking any of these people are actual devs

>>14999191

Tits all look the same to me.

>>14999200

The last minute is the perfect time to test things like host migrations. Or even the minute after.

>>14999228

> for Americans

It's 1AM in europe and I'm gonna stay up until I play the damn thing.

>>14999255

f

>the quest will not be replayable on launch

>because it's a BUG FACTORY

Quality DE programming.

>>14999388

Rivens are always overpriced, but there is a website you can trade rivens on to get an idea.

>>14999400

Oh neat thanks, I didn't know that this site existed

IT'S COMING TONIGHT

RED TEXT CONFIRMS IT

>>14999467

15 minutes till it drops.

Red text happening. Update in 2 minutes.

>>14999467

time to find sleek

Good luck everyone!

>>14999510

MORE STUFF TO DATAMINE

>>14999518

Oh crap, is that for real, I saw the jokes but I didn't think they'd do it.

I'm gonna pose that right next to an Articula so it looks like it's being kicked in the ass.

>>14999531

That's the armor bits you can equip on everyframe.

>>14999539

>>14999535

oh more glue on debris nice

WHATS UMBRA DO

Where do I go to get the 3 free forma I am going to need to make Peacemakers as good as they were before this pointless fucking exalted weapon change.

>>14999742

35p on the market

>>14999747

I don't think smacking the players in the face so blatantly that all they can add to this game is more grind and shekel grabbing is a good idea but I am grateful for the reminder. Guess I am dropping the game again.

THE WARFRAMES ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INFESTED. UMBRA WAS FORCED TO KILL HIS SON

TENNO CONTROL THEM BY EASING THEIR PAIN

THE LARGE SENTIENT AT THE START IS LOTUS

>>15000343

>THE WARFRAMES ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INFESTED.

wow what a shock. surely this was hinted for 4 years + the previous game.

>>15000349

No shit sherlock but now its 100% confirmed that Warframes are sentient entities

>>15000370

Maybe this'll get wattchewant back.

>>15000374

Wattchewant has been back

>>15000393

>Dark Sector is Warframe

Warframe takes a lot of shit from Dark Sector but they are still two differant games anon.

>>15000343

This kind of changes the context of the porn a bit, doesn't it

>>15000443

>He doesn't want to /ss/ the operator

You have the mega gay

Fuck off nirimer

>>15000443

>>15000493

GAS THE TENNO

>Natah returns to her homeplanet

WHAT THE EVER LOVING PIECE OF FUCK JUST HAPPENED

The whole quest was answering questions, exposing/confirming lore and everything was going fine, but then Natah/Lotus pull an AYYLMAO and SHIT WHAT THE FUCK.

Also, Balas can die? What the hell.

>>15000540

Well Congratulations, you got yourself projected back! What's the next step of your masterplan?

>>15000548

So we're gonna keep hearing recordings of Lotus? That fucking sucks.

I also expected we could keep that new Ordis.

I like his more serious tone, reminded me of Jarvis.

>>15000553

Finnaly, a rival to the pink Rhino.

That ketchup&mustard background really enchances it.

Also, hang on. There's a serious case of fridgelogic in this quest.

Ballas told Hunhow where to find the Tennokids. First: why would hunhow trust him. Second, why would he even do that? He claims he had a reason, he claims Umbra tried to stop him, but… the quest never reveals it.

I was really happy seeing how Umbra acts on it's own when you're in Operator mode.

Then I read that's part of it's passive (the other is faster attack speed with swords).

Goddamit, why can't this be the default for all Warframes? Let the AI control them when I'm Tennokidding around.

Well you could always bring a spector with you and pretend :'<. I was hoping we'd get to at least choose a new announcer fake lotus got old really fast. Yeah I was pretty dissapointed overall with the quest. AND NOW I HAVE TO FORMA ALL MY EXALTED WEAPONS.

>>15000574

I imagine it'll just be viable on umbra frames anyhow. The three he gets are only good for (as a set) warframes with high hp/armor/rely on intensify. Which leaves nidus, atlas, valkyr and maybe inaros.

>>15000602

Yeah I want cool orokin/damaged ordis back.

>>15000602

All of the quests are gimmick filled bullshit with pretentious writing. But I honestly can't expect anything better from SJW diversity hires

>>15000582

A downside though is that the warframe still takes damage while doing its thing. Which means in certain situations its best to stay in control of it so it doesn't die. Such as fighting Kayla De Athem (if I spelled that correctly). You can't go into kid mode and stay safe in the void while you get get bombarded by nukes anymore.

>>15000605

Unfortunately the Lotus is too iconic to get rid of. Although my hopes are that she gets removed completely and Ordis gets the spotlight instead. He is the only entity in the world who actually cares for you.

>>15000623

Ends up if you modded him at all it fucks up during that sequence.

Just more evidence that the resident high roller retards don't bugtest their shit without godmode.

>>15000637

Really? I modded him and got through fine.

>>15000614

Way I see it, big downside to using the kid is that you're kissing goodbye to a lot of utility and damage from the warframe since both compete for your control.

Having it be independant from you means it could still deal damage and use abilities while you provided utility with the kid, like clearing resists from Sentients, aplying whatever buffs you got on your tree, healing people, etc.

The only thing you'd be missing is some security when avoiding damage, but since warframes could get procs anyway before, it's really not a big loss.

>>15000614

Madurai(?) healing dash really helps in that regard. Makes things invuln and heal 60% of their health over a certain period of time.

>>15000660

I've only got Zenurik unfortunately.

So much for hoping for an altered Excalibur move set. Having my frame kill at 1/10ths of my usual speed when I actively avoid using shitkids as much as possible is a really boring gimmick, does his new 2 skill still blind enemies for as long?

And is the scarf and loincloth removable? It's triggering my sleek autism.

>>15000670

Its not too hard to unlock healing dash (but it requires lenses and a decent amp to hunt tridolons) but you can't take it as a passive.On second thought, saying not too hard is probably a lie due to all the fucking grind and prep work to even get started.

>>15000623

Have to end with exalted blade off. Atleast that is what worked for me.

>>15000677

It's a stun, not sure if it blinds. It also purged sentient immunities but its good for one on one sentient shit with your potato if you have a high powered gun.

Exilus Adapter BP VS Orokin Reactor BP invasion going on

Cerberus, Pluto

>>15000704

it was said the warframes were made from their best, not necessarily dax, otherwise we're all piloting nigger golems unless there were non-blacked dax

>>15000704

also, pretty sure natah is fucking off to hunhow to try and save ballas from death as she knows the tenno wouldn't let him live.

>>14976449

How are the Warbros #1 doing these days?

>>15000754

>no obvious function changes

Exalted weapons now can be modded for instead of having to equip a weapon built for exalted mode.

I think the most important takeaway from this is that everyone basically got an Excal Prime, but in a way that founders can't complain about it.

>>15000763

>I think the most important takeaway from this is that everyone basically got an Excal Prime, but in a way that founders can't complain about it.

I think the most important take away is new frame with fancy gimmicks that requires almost no grind, no resources, and is probably the easiest thing to get. Not including going through all the previous quests to acquire this one.

>>15000754

They were "working on other things" aka Plains of grindolon, Sanctuary onslaught and fuckall else aside from bugfixes and (((tennogen))) . Hardly any new weapons have come out recently either. Time to wait another two years before we can actually kick hunhows/natas/ballass's ass

>>15000790

>we can actually kick hunhows/natas/ballass's ass

Ballas may be dead, I kind of doubt killing Natah/Lotus will be an option with how much the operator wants her, and Hunhow… No idea.

>>15000769

>New frame

>Fancy gimicks

It's an Excalibur that turns into a specter when you go potato, It's nothing new or fancy.

So is true, Lotus doesn't love you anymore.

>>15000844

>has higher armor and more energy

>Instead of radial blind he has >>15000696 and takes longer to cast

>new sword gives invis on finishers

>almost no grind required for building

>comes with new mods

>comes with potato installed and max leveled

I consider these to be "fancy gimmicks"

>hotfix already

of course

>>15000582

downside, he still takes damage, so you are more likely to die faster if you want to transfer out of slash/toxic procs or try to get out of a tricky situation.

>>15000602

If they were going to end like that they could at least give Ordis proper navigator voice lines.

>>15000623

Disengage Exalted Blade before killing the last sentient.

>>15000936

>Melee exalted weapons still can't use Blood Rush

it's probably for the best.

>>15000902

What are the mods?

>>15000947

unless she has huge areolas, that's a shadow

>>15000948

>Then I guess you'll never be disappointed playing this game anon.

>implying I meant "fancy gimmicks" in a positive light

wew lad

>>15000970

Thanks. What the fuck is tau resist?

>>15000976

I have no idea, but its possible to be resistance from Sentient weaponry.

>>15000976

Probably sentient damage.

is anyone on to invite to the clan?

>>15000987

>shit comes leveled and potato and build getting rid of the point of coming back to the game and farming

Nah, the exalted separation means everyone is gonna have to forma a few frames a few times just to get their old builds back.

>>15000979

>>15000980

The wiki says sentient. "Tau system"

>>15001002

How could you not know this? The whole thing about umbra was that the chinese had it for a few years by now.

Unintentionally tested in a mission, Umbra goes invincible and stops moving when hp is low so he never actually gets downed. Good, but not so good since his hp is going to be really low.

>proto excal skin on Umbra

MUH FUCKIN DICK

>>15001159

What's the difference?

>>15000902

>invis on finishers

Guess that makes arcane trickery even more useless

>>15001224

I don't think they are if used in a set or maybe the tradeoff is less dmg taken from sentients but that's almost never applicable and it's gonna be years before we go to the tau system if ever.

>>14999959

>what the fuck is the point of half this stuff in the game

good question

OK, with Valkyr Talons being separate I am thinking, what if I sarifice some survivability by switching Vitality and Steel fiber with Gladiator Aegis and Resolve, then put Gladiator Finesse and True Steel on the weapon? you can't use Blood Rush on them but True Steel alone ramps it up to 80% critical chance.

>>15001224

110% crit chance if used as a whole set

What a disappointment. There's nothing game-changing about this like TWW, it boils down to having only really added a gimmick passive which probably won't be used once the new wears off, and now we need literally dozens of forma and God knows how many hours of grinding to bring exalted weapons back up to the power they already had. Even the quest itself was disappointing - short, repetitive, boss fight is a cutscene, and the only new lore was at the very end in a To Be Continued moment. How did it take them so long to deliver this?

>>15001355

Also, cringe dialog.

>>15001276

What does that have to do with her talons being separate? That's a build you could have made before. Yes, it works.

>>15001276

power surge isn't working and exalted melee weapons operate on their own melee combo counter separate from equipped melee weapons.

>>15001387

Because that means you can carry a different weapon build on melee, her talons have a huge crit chance.

>>14999959

>wait a minute, that card…

>>15000576

It'll all be revealed Soon™

>>15001392

You understand Exalted weapons have always had independent stats and this update just means you don't need to sacrifice utility on your melee to build around them right? Because the way your post reads to me it sounds like you never thought to build around your Exalted weapon before.

Not that it matters at this point and I'm just nitpicking.

>>15001441

I think he means you can have a full gladiator set without sacrificing the mods on your exalted build by shifting some over to your melee weapon.

>>15001447

Ah, then I'm just being autistic then.

>>15001447

>>15001451

Exactly.

>>15000936

Is there fianlly Akmagnus Prime or not?

Just finished the quest and i'm pretty dissapointed

>That shitty operator v Umbra fight where you just die repeatedly until you eventully whittle down the shields enough

>That boring scavenger hunt for the first two missions

>Immune to damage in void mode? Not anymore

>Nothing with Lotus resolved

>That fucking boss fight with Lotus build up only to them cliffhanger you

>Umbra is meh

Also is it just me or did they seem to fuck up the alignment choices? All of the sun ones seemed like what moon would do and vice versa.

>>15001905

I just wish the game could go back to before the space kids existed.

>>15001931

I'd be fine with that but all of the previous quests and mostly had moon be agressive or going mad with power while sun was some muh noble warrior shit. I hope they don't decide to just change it around now.

>>15001927

With excal umbra, you can

>>15001950

My mains are Nezha and Rhino though

>>15001965

Not to mention useless polarities.

>>15001931

>>15001965

The Tenno need a holocaust.

>>15001954

Don't worry anon, Rhino umbra coming 2030

>>15001965

And there's no reason to ever pull your kid out at all when it can kill sentients just fine on its own

Unless you depend on those dumb buffs

>>15001971

>And there's no reason to ever pull your kid out at all when it can kill sentients just fine on its own

All frames do.

Unless you mean eidolons, in which case Umbra won't replace kids for those.

>>15001921

Honestly, the passion/reason dichotomy is better than the goody two-shoes/moustache twirling asshole choices of the previous quests. I hope they stick with it, since it suits the game thematically better.

>>15001927

At least the set the lore into the right direction again.

>Frames not only existed pre spacekids but their creation had nothing at all to do with the little shits

>Frames are actual people which were made puppets

>codex and wiki descriptions of frames make sense again

>quests like Inaros' and Titanias make sense again with frames acting outside of Tenno interest

>Stalker now makes perfect sense, including his bloodlust for Tenno.

I said all of this forever now and I got laughed at and dismissed. I wish I would have taken screens.

I hate that they introduced another mastermind though, Ballas made Hunhow, Hunhow made Natah, who the fuck is big momma now. Shit cliffhanger.

>>15001978

I like the sun one being passion more because the original was just shitty writing but I enjoyed the moon side of losing yourself to the void/power. I assume they are going to flesh it out more once they do more stuff with the man in the wall since it seems like it will relate to him. I'm looking forward to more content with the mysterious eldritch entity but I just know DE are going to fuck it up with their shitty writing and turn it into a cringe fest.

>>15001921

I think it's a righteous anger. Anger isn't just an evil emotion.

>>15001988

How do you come to the conclusion the man in the wall (which is nothing more than an avatar of the void) will be ever heard from again ? Did they say something along those lines ?

>>15001986

>Ballas made Hunhow

I dont pay much attention to the lore but when is this revealed? This quest has shown ballas betraying the rest by passing warframe weaknesses to hunhow. Cant remember anything about hunhow himself though

>>15001986

Well, apparently space mom is not a thot, all in all her "rescue" will be quite stupid, she rebelled against her father, now she acts like she belongs with the sentients for no good reason, Margullis has been dead for a while, no real reason to follow Ballas the way she did either.

>>15001993

I am beginning to think that the man in the wall is the only being you can trust in the whole game so far, maybe Helminth itself too.

>>15001986

>Frames not only existed pre spacekids but their creation had nothing at all to do with the little shits

We've known that since before spacekids even existed

>quests like Inaros' and Titanias make sense again with frames acting outside of Tenno interest

Not really, it's not confirmed that just any frame can retain sentience, especially after getting a kid inside them

And all base non-prime frames were made by the tenno after they betrayed the orokin in the first place

>Stalker now makes perfect sense, including his bloodlust for Tenno

And there is now a non-zero chance that his story is going to end with us using our newly discovered power of friendship to make him our meat slave, which is probably how they're gonna introduce stalker mode if they ever plan on getting that in the game

>>15001986

>>15001995

Sentients were made by orokangs in general.

Once they became sentient because of their AI evolved Hunhow became the leader of Hivemind of sorts.

Ballas might or might not be part of pre-sentient terraforming robots design team.

>>15001986

Also fucking this. Quest might've not been the best but it rectified the lore inconsistencies brought on by the addition of the potato kids.

>>15001995

Synthesis lore tidbits. Ballas was the one of the responsible for the creation of the Sentients back in the day.

>>15001999

If they ever decide to pursue the Ordan Karris side of Ordis again, I'd say he'd also be a candidate.

Speaking of which.

>Start the quest, do scanning shit.

>Sentient mimics? oh shit they are going to

>…disguise themselves as loot? I thought they were going to mimic my abilities or some shit.

>They don't seem to drop broken war pieces (more commonly at least.)

>Interesting, new Orokin ciphers to hack instead of corpus on Orokin tilesets maybe?

>I swear, if they ever make me wait 3 days to… oh, instant build, also, Ordis is broken? he sounds more composed actually.

>Oh, old Ordis is back, also, Umbra can hurt you in void mode.

>Ballas is talking about the infestation and all, cool, I bet I will need to talk to Helminth on my orbiter to… wait, what? none at all?

>Is this otello? nope.

>Oh, he comes with potato and these weird polarities, shit! these mods take up more than primed ones and only work on polarities that I can't even add to other frames (not that I would like to anyway.)

>Time for payback Ballas, I will… uh, kill you on a cutscene, I can't even enjoy twisting the knife.

>Lotus? can you please tell me what the fuck is… and she is gone.

>>15001995

Right at the beginning of the Sacrifice, first message in that Recorder.

>>15001996

Ballas has given in to the Sentients in some kinda way, probably coming with the ability to manipulate them. Or he had that ability right from the start to some extend. He can conjure them at will obviously. The rebellion against Hunhow may be due to a failure in her program and Ballas simply rebooted her main harddrive.

>>15001999

I dont remember any moment in the game where any of his motives were shown. Probably has none. The void just exists.

>>15002003

>We've known that since before spacekids even existed

Yes but this has been retracted with the the war within.

>Not really, it's not confirmed that just any frame can retain sentience, especially after getting a kid inside them. And all base non-prime frames were made by the tenno after they betrayed the orokin in the first place

We have no timeframe whatsoever when the first frame was build and when the first ship sank into the void creating tenno. All frames were created the way umbra was, there is no reason to think the original frames werent completely sentient, hence they were able to rebell against the orokin. Only the Tenno were able to calm them down. Also were is it stated that the Tenno created all the base frames ? I recall several instances were the opposite is stated, most notably in the Titania quest.

>>15002006

Ballas was the once to order the creation of the sentients. This is defenitively stated somewhere, cannot recall exactly were.

I really need to make a second account to play all the lore quests again in the correct order. Shit is so god damn inconsistent its hard to sort your own memories.

>>15002022

3 YEARS

>>15002029

I would be giving DE too much credit for this but maybe the man in the wall is just a cosmic horror and we barely get the grasp of what he does by what we have seen so far, but maybe he is just DE's Nyarlathotep.

>>15002038

Never ever got the impression he plays a bigger role in the greater context. Hes not mentioned outside of the Harrow quest/that earth tileset which becomes completely obsolete once you gain access to it. IF it isnt a sole entitiy and actualy just a void avatar it would make sense he has a connection to Tenno but why would he have one to the Sentients/Orokin ? If he is his own entity dude has some serious time on his hands bothering with single Tenno constantly and couldnt be that potent at all since he needed Rell to manipulate reality outside the void.

>>15001993

I just get the feeling that he will be back at some point given his presence in the war within and the way Harrow's quest ended. I like him because he adds a touch of unknown cosmic horror to the game that none of the current factions know anything about.

Like this anon >>15002038 said, I hope they do something interesting with him but am probably giving DE way too much credit.

>>15002063

>>15002060

I can only dream, but maybe the man in the wall as some kind of avatar could be the one thing that basically nullifies the sentients, I mean, not even advanced AI could be able to fight against some kind of Cthulhu thing, I know Dark Sector is basically a different continuity but I recall the technocyte plague also had some hivemind beacon at the end.

>>15002078

>now

>>15002078

>now

They always were.

People were comparing them to evangelions since kid reveals, some even before that.

>>15002072

>>15002063

I agree with both of you. Yet I say DE has dropped the concept of him altogether just like so many before/after. Maybe the big mother Natah refers to is the void itself which corrupted her when she was exposed to it and we get that eldrith entity after all. Id like to see more horror elements anyway, DE can pull those off quite well in my opinion.

>>15002082

>>15002084

Sure, but I mean that its trying it far more closer together. Maybe someone at DE has watched it and is inserting it a bit into the game with that specific scene.

>>15002078

They always were. Except the only became puppets after the Orokin kind of shut them down, at least those they still had a hold of. Good chunk of frames have gone rogue and went their way doing whatever in the system. Inaros for example. The Tenno were the only way to reactivate the frames without them going batshit again since the sentience within them was supressable this way.

>>15002091

Basically they went ass backwards about revealing shit.

They revealed driving force behind frames first, and what frames are last.

Normally we would learn that frames are meat robots and only then that they are controlled by magic babies.

But it's canada so w/e.

>>15002029

>All frames were created the way umbra was

Given umbra is clearly a special case, I don't think we can say that for certain

>there is no reason to think the original frames werent completely sentient, hence they were able to rebell against the orokin. Only the Tenno were able to calm them down.

The rhino prime lore heavily implied they went completely feral

It's also more or less stated that the only reason umbra isn't is because he was holding on to that one specific strong memory

>Also were is it stated that the Tenno created all the base frames ? I recall several instances were the opposite is stated, most notably in the Titania quest.

https://www.warframe.com/news/primes-and-prime-access

DE is very inconsistent with their lore, but until they say something else, this is the only definitive, directly stated information on this topic

>>15002094

I retract my statement about them not being puppets from the get go. They always were but still had free will to some extend. Frames are guided by the emotions that were implanted in them while still carrying parts of their former human/orokin selfs.

>>15002094

Ballas mentions failures, I think prime frames are just the final version but non-primes here and there could have existed before that so what you say makes sense, someone out there even theorized that Nidus was one of those "failures."

>>15002102

>Given umbra is clearly a special case

He is not. In the recorder Ballas outright tells you ALL frames were made the same way. While umbra is on the table Ballas also hints to this.

>because he was holding on to that one specific strong memory

Just like the Stalker. Frames were people before, some with stronger will than others.

>but until they say something else

The Sacrifice, including Natah and the Second Dream are the defenitives then.

>>15002109

Thank you. Also youre probably right about Nidus given hes the most befallen of all. Able to communicate with the infested hivemind even. I guess the only thing keeping him from straight up joining the infested armys is the operator.

>>15002086

The first few missions of Harrows questline were pretty good, I'd like to see more stuff like that and a bigger emphasis on the void aspect of the Tenno in general. DE hasn't really touched too much on the fact they are fucked up energy beings slowly being corrupted by some kind of Eldritch entity from the void that could be real or could just be in the Tenno's insane mind.

I feel like DE is just throwing random shit out and seeing what sticks though. If we are lucky then someone with some talent will get to write the quest for that and can actully make it interesting.

>>15002118

>Just like the Stalker. Frames were people before, some with stronger will than others.

Which means not all of them retained sentience, just a few

>The Sacrifice, including Natah and the Second Dream are the defenitives then.

And none of those contradict that information

>>15002118

>I guess the only thing keeping him from straight up joining the infested armys is the operator.

Or the other way around, maybe the only reason Helminth doesn't betray the operator is thanks to Nidus.

>>15002128

>Which means not all of them retained sentience, just a few

Then we dont really disagree, I never said anything contradictionary to that, I just would go so far that most retained sentience to a certain point in time.

>And none of those contradict that information

I didnt say that this is the case in particular, although the Sacrifice establishes the way of frame creation. And so far all frames were created in the equal manner - take a great fighter, infest him under controlled circumstances and take his brain hostage. Implant emotions that will give the being the drive needed to serve its purpose.

Now the question is, what frames were given more or less the ability to be there former selfs ? Limbo would have to be quite close if not completely aware of his former self to be able to write and bequest his stuff down to whoever may find it. Titania maybe was completely instinct driven, kind of remembering a strong connection to earths nature but only acting on primal impulses.

>>15002130

Mebbe Helminth isnt a bad guy after all.

>>15002146

>Limbo would have to be quite close if not completely aware of his former self to be able to write and bequest his stuff down to whoever may find it

The tenno could just as easily have done that

>Titania maybe was completely instinct driven

I took that more as being related to void bullshit, what with the woman who made it fucking with transference and becoming a forest filled with angery specters

Also if you forgot I posted that link because we were talking about non-prime frames being tenno creations

And now that I think about it, Stalker is probably still actually a tenno, considering the dialog and events in second dream

>>15002180

>The tenno could just as easily have done that

True. Why would they though and if why wouldnt Lotus know about this.

>non-prime frames being tenno creations

Yeah but this is DE not being consistend again. Individual frames have acted completely outside of Tenno interest and without the knowing of Lotus. That would at least hint to rogue Tenno but how would they enact transference to these frames without the necessary technology. Our operators are the first to go through the process enabling them to transference without machinery as far as I understood it.

>Stalker is probably still actually a tenno, considering the dialog and events in second dream

That was my initial thought after the Second Dream as well but I dont see this as necessary anymore. The Stalker going apeshit when he first sees the tubed Tenno would hint heavily at repressed memories of himself still being stuck in such one but it could be just as well the case that he remembers his building/indoctrination at the sight of the Tenno. Why would he be sworn to hunt down Tenno if hes somewhat aware or at least became aware of his mind being Tenno ? Because the other Tenno mobbed him ? Implanted emotions cannot be the driver factor if the Stalker is not sentient himself. The Tenno controlling the Stalker being a bigger autist than Rell ? That would be hella cheap. Umbra went just as violently rogue as the Stalker did, except Stalky has been given a real purpose. Umbras only purpose was to suffer.

>>15002244

Now more stuff doesnt make any sense at all, most notably everything around Lotus. She seems completely incompetend.

>stuff going on on Lua she doesnt know about

>Tenno/Frames going about their own business without her knowing

>pretty elemental lore pieces she wasnt aware of until our operator found them

>STUFF ON LUA SHE DOESNT KNOW ABOUT, HER OWN FUCKING SPACESTATION NOBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE HAD ACCESS TO BESIDES HER

>>15002244

Or maybe Stalker's will took over his Tenno, something like an inverted transference.

>>15002244

Hunhow straight up told Stalker he was a tenno

And he hates Tenno, he's allowed to still hate them after finding out he is one

Not to mention we haven't seen him in a story context since he realized that and left, anyway, us killing these same bosses over and over again isn't canon

>>15000813

nah, he's gotten rescued by the Lotus and I doubt de are just gonna let him die with all the foreshadowing they did for him. We didn't even see him pull out a weapon.

>>15002261

Actually that does make at least a little sense. She is a sentient which means much of lua would be inaccessible to her and the crazy bitch from the chains of harrow quest seems to believe her personality was created from tenno dreams and memories and given margilus's appearance. Lotus seems like she's pretty much just a sentient created, reverse engineered, artificial imitation of margilus. If she is a sentient designed to imitate margilus, made from memories tenno had of margilus, and in many ways may think she actually is margilus, it shouldn't be surprising that she has some gaping holes in her knowledge. Part of what she says might just be programmed just to think she knows it because margilus would have known it.

It also makes a ton of sense why she just suddenly ran away with Ballas since Margilus seemed to have some sort of relationship with him in the past. It also makes sense for the standpoint on why Ballas would work with the sentients if they could recreate her after she was executed. The only problem now is the chronology of the events since it isn't clear if ballas was working with the sentients before margilus was executed.

>>15002273

>Hunhow straight up told Stalker he was a tenno

No he doesnt, you are getting things scrambled up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UD6h5yXaA0

Hunhow: "Who destroyed the Orokin, your way of life ?"

Stalker: "TENNO"

Hunhow: "Who hides the truth about the essence from you?"

Stalker: "LOTUS"

Hunhow: "I know where she hides the Tenno heart, womb in the sky. You will take me there."

Stalker: "WHO (are you)?"

Hunhow: "I, am Hunhow."

>And he hates Tenno, he's allowed to still hate them after finding out he is one

This is nowhere written. The Stalker is a rogue frame. I believe the Dax leading you sometimes also is pretty specific about this. Ill go watch the cutscenes again, later so we can settle this.

>>15002298

Huh. Yeah that sounds coherent. Thanks.

>>15002311

>No he doesnt, you are getting things scrambled up.

That's the beginning of the quest you jackass, the reveal is at the end

>This is nowhere written.

Really

It's written nowhere that the stalker hates tenno

Are you fucking with me?

>>15002298

Given his conversation with the Dax that was turned into Umbra it sounds like Ballas defected to the sentients after Margulis was executed. He says something like "Why would I turn against my own kind and defect? You have never experienced the pain of being forced to watch as your loved one dies, but you will" so i'd assume Margulis being executed is the reason he defected.

>it ends on another cliffhanger

I can't wait for three years to be able to get rid of Ordis' shitty Lotus recreation.

>>15002316

It is nowhere written that the stalker is Tenno, reading comprehension fuckhead. There also no reveal that the Stalker is Tennocontrolled. The implication is noteable but after the Sacrifice its not a necessary conclusion. Link it if youre so god damn sure.

>>15002321

I understood that line the same way although Im somewhat puzzled how an immortal and mighty being like Ballas would go haywire by the death of a mortal, loveinterest or not. Not far fetched in the realm of DEs writing.

>umbra is a straight upgrade over prime

FOUNDERS ETERNALLY BTFO HOLY SHIT

>>15002338

>>15002341

Why the double post?

>>15002333

>It is nowhere written that the stalker is Tenno, reading comprehension fuckhead.

You were responding to me saying the stalker hates tenno, I had already made the claim that the stalker was tenno and you had already argued against it

>There also no reveal that the Stalker is Tennocontrolled. The implication is noteable but after the Sacrifice its not a necessary conclusion.

<All your dread-long life, you've waited for this moment

<But you're asking yourself… Was I one of these wretched things?

<You know the answer. You still hate them. You still hate… yourself.

Dude if that's not a reveal I don't know what is

Do you need them to outright say "IT IS FORETOLD IN THE SCROLLS, STALKER, THERE IS ONE THEY FEAR. YOU ARE DOVAHKIIN, DRAGONBORN"

>>14978885

>Umbra won't be functionally different

>it acts independently of you when you're in potato mode, including using powers and shooting shit

>we finally have a Warframebro to watch our backs while we void cum things to death

Nigga you got rekt.

>>15000754

>>15000704

>>15000769

Y'all motherfuckers are some salty bitches. Yes, it's been heavily hinted that the frames were infested flesh, but at no point was it hinted that they were once actual people. This opens up an entire new avenue of frame-specific quests. If this is how Umbra was made which Ballas described as his first as well as a rare mistake then there's nothing to say they didn't replicate it elsewhere. The Rhino Prime Codex entry ties in nicely with this. Think of that for a moment; each warframe currently in existence has at some point been through what Umbra went through, reliving some painful memory over and over again. What is Ember's backstory like? What about Saryn? Ballas spoke in her prime trailer of creating "the greatest of plagues" to fight back the infestation. What was the person who became Saryn subjected to? What about Ms. Mindfucker herself, Nyx? What kind of mindbreaking was done to her? Or duality incarnate Equinox? We have an entirely unexplored world of similar quest lines open to us now.

On top of all this, they added independent warframe AI in missions. It's kind of a small thing, and not that much different from spectres etc., but it's something new and the possibilities for what it could lead to are fun.

>>15001224

>umbral mods inferior

The pressure point mod seems to scale at the same rate as PPP. The Sac Steel mod grants more crit than normal True Steel, and I don't think we have a Primed True Steel yet. The Intensify mod is basically Primed Intensify, which has never ever been released and probably never will be and the armor mod is basically Steel Fiber: Fuck Sentients version.

>>15000936

Look on the bright side anon, at least you can add +combo time mods to Exalted weapons now.

>>15001966

>useless polarities

Oh come on almost-Satan. You would be using all of those mods on normal Excal already, and as I noted above the Intensify is basically an Umbra-exclusive Primed Intensify.

>>15002034

Codex is where you'll find it. The wiki has a collection of all the codex-related stuff, and you can find other info on the prime pages for Excal, Ember, Rhino and Volt I think. The Rhino entry in particular is relevant to the quest, as it shows the Rhino Prime warframe going on a rampage similar to what Umbra was doing.

Having played through this quest, I realize now that Ballas is essentially the Uber Jew or is that Unter Jew?

>be prominent member of ultra-decadent immortal ruling class

>empire of wonders is build on suffering and slavery

>stagnant for generations

>bright young mind creates sentient adapting self-replicating robot race

>hey let's use this to colonize another system that we can strip of all things good over the next 100k years

>what do you mean they've achieved sentience and are coming back to kill us?

>damn this golem for turning on me

>oh shit they're adapting to all of our high tech weaponry and shit

>I know! Let's throw bio-abominations at it

>oh shit the bio-abominations are running amok

>damn this golem for turning on me

>I know, let's make bio-abominationd 2.0: Mind Control Edition

>hah hah this is awesome! I really am a god!

>whaddya mean they're all running amok?

>damn this golem for turning on me

>hey, let's send a shitton of innocents into the cold dark void because we're running out of options and shit

>huh, only the kids came back?

>fuck Margulis wtf happened to you?

>oh shit, those kids are literal living gods and they wield the power that will destroy our attackers?

>oh, they can't control it?

>but you're working on an idea that will help that?

>well don't. Or else my decadent ruler buddies wil-

>you bastards fucking killed her

>fine! I'll use her research to start fucking up the shit of these sentient assholes

>and then I'll defect and get my revenge!

>just as soon as I leak all this important info to the enemy

>wait, what do you mean all those Tenno kids controlling the warframes have murdered everyone?

>damn this golem for turning on me

>I miss Margulis

>>15002354

>You were responding to me saying the stalker hates tenno, I had already made the claim that the stalker was tenno and you had already argued against it

How the fuck what ? This is not the course of the conversation.

>Dude if that's not a reveal I don't know what is

This does not in any way contradict my theory. I said the sight of the tubed Tenno could just as well trigger his memories of his becoming. He might just as well has been straight up orokin and Dax referring to the Orokin when asking Stalker if he still hates them for doing this to him, still hating himself for doing this to others. The whole dialoge in general is another layer of manipulation from the Stalkers perspective, to keep him from killing the tubed kids.

From the stalkers perspective:

"Was I one of those things?"

"""You know the answer"""

"I wasnt/I dont know the answer/I was Orokin/I was a Dax/etc."

It makes sense either way. If you build your whole theory on single lines of dialoge Hunhow just as well destroys your whole foundation by perfectly implying the Stalker was Orokin/strongly bonded to them. The Stalker is the ultimate victim of multilayered manipulation from all sides just as we are the at the mercy of DE shitty writing. There are very few facts in all of this and the Stalker being Tenno controlled is not one of them.

>>15002384

>Y'all motherfuckers are some salty bitches

Why are you writing that when I was complaining that the frame is just a bunch of gimmicks smushed together and there was LITERALLY NO CHALLENGE to get? Even the frames you pick when you start the game don't have a potato on them or are leveled, but this one comes with all of that and building it takes 10 seconds and basically no resources.

>>15002384

>Y'all motherfuckers are some salty bitches. Yes, it's been heavily hinted that the frames were infested flesh, but at no point was it hinted that they were once actual people. This opens up an entire new avenue of frame-specific quests. If this is how Umbra was made which Ballas described as his first as well as a rare mistake then there's nothing to say they didn't replicate it elsewhere.

How do you come to "Frames werent actual people". Of course they were, the originals that is. I wouldnt go so far an claim every frame is the product of an individual. Once a kind of frame is complete I see no reason inside the lore to not being able to copy that. We build the frames in foundries ourselfs. But each frame type is based on the original warrior which got infested. Dead or alive.

>>15002392

> If you build your whole theory on single lines of dialoge Hunhow just as well destroys your whole foundation by perfectly implying the Stalker was Orokin/strongly bonded to them.

I have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say here

Hunhow could easily be lying, but then, so could nearly every other source of information

>>15002402

>Why are you writing that when I was complaining that the frame is just a bunch of gimmicks smushed together and there was LITERALLY NO CHALLENGE to get? Even the frames you pick when you start the game don't have a potato on them or are leveled, but this one comes with all of that and building it takes 10 seconds and basically no resources.

You say that like it's a bad thing though. I know you specifically haven't said this, but a good chunk of people are complaining about new mods to level and exalted weapons to forma, so I figured an easy-to-get pre-tato'd frame with some decently leveled primed mods is a fair compensation for that. Yeah, the quest didn't break new ground in terms of challenge, but aside from Sentients you meet prior to completing TWW, there isn't really much "challenge" as far as quest lines go in this game. I think that's on purpose; DE wants everyone to be able to experience this kind of stuff. You already need to progress through a huge chunk of the game just to get to this point. Think of it as a reward for all the work you put into the game to get to this point. It only seems easy because most of us here have been waiting on this for awhile now, and that means we have, by necessity, accomplished everything else prior to this. Someone new coming in will experience this quest as a milestone where they claimed a powerful warframe at the culimination of a series of world-defining quests.

>>15002415

Oh I agree with you that the basic "mass produced" frames were not all based on people. Or based on people at all really. I do think it's possible that there's an "Umbra" version for each frame however. Perhaps not in name can't have Umbra be the new Prime is my concern but in terms of the idea. The backstories of Mirage, Inaros and Titania all give some credence to the idea that other frames may have had a person form the base for who they were. But this is one of those places where the lore inconsistency starts to rear it's head. Regardless though, the precedent is now set; we can have frame-based quests that delve deeper into the creation of a specific frame. Whether or not DE will bark up this particular tree I can't say, but I think they'd be missing out on a great opportunity if they don't.

My only question is if we get "spooky earth" tileset again or not. That was a great place to stick ghouls in and I loved the ambience.

>>15002455

>can't have Umbra be the new Prime is my concern

There's only one of them now, they could still easily have a series of umbra frames that are more limited, and more varied

The reason this one is just a prime with some buffs could easily just be excused as DE wanting to give people excal prime, which is what umbra literally was when it came out in china years ago

>>15002432

>Hunhow could easily be lying, but then, so could nearly every other source of information

This is exactly what I was saying.

>>15002455

Wut?

>Oh I agree with you that the basic "mass produced" frames were not all based on people. Or based on people at all really.

But this was what I was saying. Every basic frametype was made by infesting an individual warrior. If the outcome was positive you rip a blueprint and copy that without the need for another person. It takes a person to form a new frame though.

>Regardless though, the precedent is now set; we can have frame-based quests that delve deeper into the creation of a specific frame.

We have those already though, not at all detailed though. If youre talking about going into the backstory of the original being that the frame is based on, ya that would be cool.

>>15002488

Crap I completely misunderstood you >>15002455 sorry. Im awake since forever now. Forgive me my impatience.

>>15002384

>literally excal with terrible AI mode

<different

Hue

>>15002594

Its an all around upgrade. I ditched Excal long ago due to his weak stats, umbra though is a beast. The frame is as different as you can get before you'd have to give it a completely new name and skin. What did you wish for with another EXCAL. Throwing hadoukens around and teleporting around the map ? I dont see the disappointment at all, umbra is stronger than prime and has tweaked abilities. If he would have had different abilities it would have been a new frame altogether and why would you expect that to happen ?

>>15002623

You're arguing with the wrong person.

>>15002626

Sry I wasnt trying to start an argument. I just wanted to know what would need to happen to make the term "different" viable.

>>15002637

Ask this fucko >>15002384

>>15002384

Mirage prime trailer did much more than just hint that frames were people.

>>15002807

Where the fuck can we even see our ducat count now? Just when we're trading stuff in for them?

>>15002831

yep thats the only place.

>>15002807

IT also removed the button that let's you add fishes to the tanks in your orbiter. Can only remove them.

I got an idea I should try to push on their forum. Since there's no "Umbra-forma" to add the polarity for those mods, they could add it later with a twist: every mod slot you unlock for it enchances the sentience of the frame:

>1 slot

It can use weapons and move around

>2 slot

It can use powers.

>3 slot

???

Dunno what would happen to the Sacrificial Set, but they could easily replace the Umbral "+makes this mod better XD" effect (which is boring) into "make warframe MORE sentient"

I still want my dumb dream frame of a prototype generic corpus knockoff warframe.

It's only power is a 1- Which copies powers to store into your 2 3 and 4 slots from other warframes. And the persist till you scan and replace them again.

Balanced by being the embodiment of "This was meant to be a generic catch all mass production thing" by having 100 health, 100 shield, 100 energy, 100 armor and 1.00 sprint. So it's weighted towards absolutely no particular thing. I just have a dumb soft spot for power thievery/megaman/rogue type nonsense in games.

>>15000343

GET IN THE FRAME, SHINJI

>>15002354

Hunhow and stalker are talking about the warframes that aren't self-aware in that segment. Stalker has no Tenno but is able to operate on his own, and encourages your own warframe to join him in rebelling against you, which is news to the player at the time that such a thing might be possible. And in that quest, your warframe acts on its own a little, showing that they do have minds of their own, and have a complex relationship with the Tenno. Think of stalker like umbra but instead of going mad he's just mad.

However, no one can handle comprehending things at above an 8 year old level so the community came up with all sorts of stupid bullshit to make that non-canon like "it was all a dream! your warframe didn't actually move!".

So, is the skiajati a direct upgrade to nikana prime? It seems pretty good

>>15003608

Naw the nikana prime is the better sword, the just has the gimmick of having two umbra polarities and with the mods making it, supposedly, shine against sentients. Take the galatine prime like everyone else.

>>15003802

*the skia just has the gimmick