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Of course not you fucking retard. Even text adventures aren't that expansive.

>>14915406

Best game for crafting your own story maybe

>>14915619

Reported for tranny porn.

Neverwinter Nights?

NWN multiplayer, though that gets to the point where you're blurring the line between a video game and a traditional RPG run through software.

A few MMOs sort of accomplish this, though they're usually tedious and unfun.

No single player RPG achieves all three. 1 and 3 are usually the sticking points, choice and consequence is not that hard to do if the dev cares.

>>14916314

You're a shit GM.

t. GM

It's called a tabletop game played with people who are not utter morons, which will never apply to you.

>>14915406

Well, what are some text adventures closest to what OP described?

>>14916314

How fucked is tabletop, anyway? How likely is someone to run into crazies if they find a group to play with?

>>14916787

Occasionally its alright to fuck with the party like that.

t.guy who GM's while proceeding to drink an ocean of liquor. My campaign has been going on two years now. Please help.

>>14916837

I mean, that's like saying, "How fucked are video games?" It depends on a lot of shit.

Which system/publisher? I'd wager over 3/4 of the White Wolf game groups (e.g. Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, etc.) will be absolutely fucking intolerable. I would have said most Shadowrun groups would have been great, but now Harebrained released all of those Shadowrun video games and made the setting more popular so who the fuck knows now. Legend of the 5 Rings players are probably not terrible, but they're 100% guaranteed to be complete weaboos. DnD depends on the edition. You run into an AD&D/2E group, you've probably found a great group who just wants to play and not deal with bullshit. 3.5E is a toss-up. Avoid any and all 4E groups. I don't know enough about 5E to make a call there.

Then it depends on the area. You live in a liberal shithole? Be prepared for players who want to use female rules for a male character and be referred to as some unpronounceable pronoun. Live anywhere else? Maybe you'll run into a really fun group, or maybe you'll run into one of those really weird fundamentalist groups who stat Jesus Christ and a lot of Catholic saints into D&D so they can roleplay without "worshipping false idols."

All you can do is sit in for a few sessions and see how it goes.

>>14916787

>NWN

To think that NWN was sixteen years ago, and not only have no other major developers learned from its example (not counting its sequel, since at least that's a given), even the game's developer themselves have done nothing but take major steps back from the massive innovation that NWN brought to the table.

There was also VtM: Redemption that made some similar innovations with its own SDK and DM mode a couple years beforehand but in a way that was sorta hamstrung by the game not being very thoroughly designed around those ideas, but… well, those innovations are forgotten entirely when it comes to that game.

>>14915390

Wizardry 7 did all of this.

>>14915390

Fuck off back to >>>/tg/

I guess I could have worded it better but I'm just looking for a game where you can actually play a character and that has elements that support that

>>14917010

They're too busy panicking because Anita has chosen their hobby is her next donation pinata, and since they've spent the past decade cucking out like /co/ about being inclusive and welcoming they know they're fucked.

If you're Thal you'll probably enjoy Grimoire.

>>14917067

sad but true

>>14921058

>MLP shit

why do you do this?

Why do you do this to yourself?

reminder that Façad is the best CRPG ever developed.

>>14921155

I never watched mlp, but that mp4 cut seems nice.

The only reason why people hate it is because watchers eventually want to fuck ponies from the cartoon.

>>14921265

>skyrim

>follow the marker on a quest with no choices into a dungeon with no divided paths with a door at the end of it that brings you back to skyrim

>>14921275

This is the shortest explanation of skyrim i ever seen.

Play pso2 if you want expansive character creation

>>14916787

Nigger, please explain to me how you let the players make massively impactful choices when you're running a premade or established campaign? And I'm not talking about adding tiny touches, I mean real actual open ended choice. I'm betting you're a far worse GM than me faggot because it sounds like you don't even understand what you're doing. Mind you you're posting on /v/ and have no people skills so I'm betting you don't even have a group.

>>14921810

I don't run premade campaigns. I've worked premade adventures into my campaigns before, and those are more railroady than my usual style, but I typically just figure out a setting, some key NPCs with their own agendas to work on, and let the players loose.

>>14916837

>How fucked is tabletop, anyway?

Don't look for a group, find some friends who want to play with you. Playing with friends is literally the only way to go, everything else is basically asking to be part of a retard circle jerk. Fair warning, modern tabletop is pozzed to fuck, you're better off playing older systems but they'll have more crunch.

>>14921854

So you don't make a story? Sounds like it would lead to games that are basically pointless to play because they have no long form meaning to them. Do your players mostly end up becoming murder hobos?

>>14921319

I would pirate a game like this.

>>14921866

Easy. This guy's already solved that.

>>14921866

My NPCs have goals that they're working on, that the PCs will typically end up wanting to help or hinder (either because they're being paid, or because that crazy cult kidnapped some people they liked, or the dragon wants to conquer a city they trade with, or because they just think those monks are up to something suspicious). The story is born from the interaction of my NPCs plans and my PCs' actions. There are a few events I can be pretty sure will happen (they're going to fight that dragon at some point) but how, when, and where depends largely on the players. If I wanted to write a story myself, I'd write a book. RPGs are meant to be collaborative.

I've had zero problems with murderhoboing, and in fact several times they've taken an antagonist alive when it genuinely did not occur to me that they would bother to try that (now that I know that about them, I expect it and plan around it, but it took me by surprise at first).

>>14921907

Oh, so you give your players the illusion of choice but even you have fooled yourself in to thinking it's freedom. Got it. Watch that ego faggot.

>>14921916

If my players wanted to team up with the dragon and rape and pillage, I would have let them (one PC even had a connection to the dragon that would have made it somewhat plausible). If they had wanted to leave the city to its fate and fuck off some other direction, I would have let them. They didn't do that, because they liked that city, and had preexisting relationships there that they didn't want to throw away. The only thing I wouldn't let them do is split the party without turning into NPCs, and that's just because I didn't want to run two simultaneous campaigns.

>>14921935

I prefer to come up with a basic outline and develop the details as they become relevant. I don't want to put a ton of work into something the players end up ignoring.

>>14916385

>tangible outcome

>Arcanum

Too bad the game is so shit nobody will get to the outcome part

>>14916874

>You live in a liberal shithole?

Poland:Most of the crew is right wing and 3 players are soldiers , shit is great

Way of the samurai.

>>14922218

>most of my crew is right wing

>not all

Eject the left wing traitors

>>14916837

If you look for a group online you'll run into 90% shitty people who have some fetish that they insert into everything. Get e-fwendz who you actually can shitpost and joke with.

Divinity Original Sin 2?

>>14916314

Dude, choice is an illusion in real life.

>>14922697

It's the worst offender as you're still given choose-an-ending dialogue after you kill the last boss. Or before you kill it, don't remember.

>>14922743

>choose-an-ending dialogue

As far as i remember not all endings are choosable. Some need requirements.

>>14921935

I don't DM often, but when I do I usually just come up with some geography and make up everything else on the spot

it's always worked out pretty well, although there's usually alcohol involved

>>14922549

Polish people are always assumed right wing , I didn't ask everybody their political beliefs , And by most I mean the people I play with all are , But my GM is the cities GM and he handels like a 100 people noobs and women can never be trusted

GM is one of the soldiers and he told me that he uses the sessions to look for trusted people if a IRL crew ever needs to be created,He is a sneaky and smart bastard,sessions are an easy way to check how people think and react

If you ask me there are 3 tiers to train soldiers ,Military,Para-Military(including self training,paintball),and Simulations(Video Games,Pen&Paper,all different way to check who you can trust and who is willing to fight,This would also include Religion and Politics)

>>14916846

If it's been going on for 2 years, perhaps give them some wicked mean boss rush

Give me an RPG where I can date girls that isn't DOS2, FE, or modded Fallout/Skyrim.

>>14923019

Way of the samurai.

>>14923316

I would never play a game with a person who would try to make my tabletop experience into bioware gay simulator.

>>14923316

>another faggot who falls for the illusion of choice

Confirmed for having never GMed.

>>14922045

Say what you want buddy, but you admitted that your adventure is just as planned and on-rails as any other. The way you GM isn't some special magical experience, I do the exact same shit you do, I just don't pretend like my players have true and total freedom while I do it. Again, watch your ego faggot, you're not god's gift to tabletop.

>>14921886

Seth Skorkowsky >>> HtbaGGM

>>14916837

Tabletop is obsolete. You need dice and stuff, and there's no sound or graphics. As all rpgs are about combat rather than "roleplaying", it makes sense to play those combat games on a computer and let computer do the math.

Good! I will now prove unto you that roleplaying is gay:

1. Roleplaying is kind of like acting.

2. Acting is gay.

3. Therefore, roleplaying is gay.

QED, bitches

>>14924114

You are a faggot. Sorry, but I had no choice.

<<14924200

That's some really weak bait man.

>>14922969

Please be actually preparing people for stealthy invasion of Germany

>>14921907

>There are a few events I can be pretty sure will happen (they're going to fight that dragon at some point) but how, when, and where depends largely on the players.

That's not really freedom then, if you really intended on making a completely freeform RPG then you wouldn't even set that up. I think if you want to make a RPG that is completely freeform you need to set up the setting and establish what is happening in the setting without the player's influence and then let the players decide what they truly want to do.

>>14924483

I want to fuck the slutty mouth-pussy.

>>14924452

It's a good game but the UI is ass and you need to open up a wiki to know what the fuck to do on your first time playing..

>>14924271

Sorry I triggered you snowflake, you're totally original and unique and the adventures you went on in your tabletop sessions we're 100% you having free will to do what you want and not your GM suckering you in to believing that what you wanted was what he had planned.

>all these people getting triggered over freedom in RPGs

>on a board for an entertainment medium that literally cannot let you choose anything other than what the devs programmed

den oud of den breddy gud - IGN

>>14921860

But what if I don't have friends?

>>14922735

How so?

>>14924838

You'll need to make some, otherwise I just wouldn't bother with tabletop because a good portion of the fun is having good times with people you know and already like. Tabletop lets you get to know people better. Do you really want to know strangers better? If not then stick to single player or find friends who you want to know more about. The thing is Tabletop isn't just a game, it's inherently social so if you don't already like the people you're sitting down to play with shit can get awkward and annoying extremely fast.

>>14924452

>character you design

Check. There are pre-defined roles but if you're creative you can do gimmicks as an assistant, clown, or other jobs if you're good

>choices have an outcome

The whole game is determined by each player's choices

>dialog allows you to speak how you want

Exactly, and to real people who can interpret what you're saying

Your best bet for servers is unironically the cuckchan /vg/ server, the /tg/ one was the more roleplay oriented server many years ago but is utter shit in the past few years

>>14927188

You sound like a fucking terrible GM who's games have all the impact of a Soap Opera.

>>14927213

Your games sound like scripted twaddle-wank so you can showoff all your cool mary sue GMPC's while shoving whatever horrid political ideology you have down your players throats.

Your railroad cheat sheet of a "script" impresses no-one.

<lmfao he thinks h'self a writer

>>14924475

Predicting what the players will choose to do and planning around it isn't the same as constraining them. Their actions aren't random, they have priorities and if an NPC starts breaking their shit they're going to want to deal with him somehow. That can be invading his lair, luring him out, drawing his attention elsewhere, or tricking a third party into going after him, among other options, but the conflict is going to happen somehow, and not because I've decreed it but because the players want it. The players could just have their characters leave if they really wanted to, but in my experience the one thing you can always rely on from players is that they don't like losing stuff.

>>14927843

But anon, that's what illusion of choice means. You made it seem like it was what they wanted all along, but really they're dancing to your tune. They didn't choose to do anything, you created a situation which drove them to act.

>>14927914

>You made it seem like it was what they wanted all along

No, it is what they wanted. The difference between what you're describing and what I'm describing is that when I predict what they want incorrectly and they go another route, I roll with it and improv until the end of the session, at which point I start planning the next session based on what they actually did.

>>14928212

Whatever you need to tell yourself anon. Your every role-playing session is a special gem, a unique snowflake of endless open world choice and freedom and you are the god of GMs and should have a show on Twitch because you're so revolutionary.

>>14916874

>Stat the catholic canon into D&D

That actually sounds like it could be fucking amazing depending on the players though

>>14928343

>and you are the god of GMs and should have a show on Twitch because you're so revolutionary.

Literally any half-decent GM is capable of doing this. That's the point I've been trying to make this whole time, handling choice well is easy in video games if you make it a priority and it's braindead simple in tabletop since all you have to do is not overprepare.

>>14916837

It's utterly fucked. Every single one of them does it over disagreement or faggot shit like roll20. No one does it the traditional, right way, which is either IRL or play-by-email.

>>14929028

>Literally any half-decent GM is capable of doing this.

No shit nigger, that's why I'm mocking you. You're pretending like you're creating a free game with total choice but really you're just delusional. Get over yourself.

>>14921205

>>14921780

Jesus fucking christ, I sincerely hope you people are no older than 20. There's nothing more cringy than grown bearded men watching children cartoons, fuck, even my 5 year old nephew don't watch that shit anymore and prefer typical boy's cartoons.

>>14929064

You're a butthurt retard who keeps clinging to his asinine claim that choice in tabletop is an illusion, when in fact any GM who's not running someone else's premade adventure and doesn't put a ton of effort into sabotaging himself will end up giving his players real choice purely by accident.

>>14929050

>play-by-e-mail

Literal nostalgia goggles. Anything by mail is disgracefully sluggish. You could've at least said IRC or something and preserved credibility as something other than a dinosaur.

>>14916385

>Arcanum

Hope you don't mind crashing every hour OP.

>>14929112

>muh speed

Good things come to those who wait. The pacing of play-by-email is superior to any other form of online play.

>>14929102

Again: Whatever you need to tell yourself to get by Mr. Magic GM. Enjoy tricking, er, letting your players choose to follow along coincidentally exaclty what you had prepared for the night…

>>14929714

>no argument

No, you're just ignoring my argument which was clearly posted as the last sentence of that post, sorry you're ego is getting in the way of you reading it DSP. One last time: whatever you need to tell yourself, you're the most unique and wonderful GM in the world and everyone else just railroads their players, it's not like you manipulate your players to do what you want at all, no you give them true choice and freedom!!!! You are the best GM in the world and Matt Mercer doesn't have shit on you.