/v/ - HAPPY E3 EVERYONE

Marks going to ban you.

>>14908182

Why?

>>14908177

objectively best world choice is to go railworld with slightly higher richness and more sparseness but with the ability for the ayys to move camps turned on

and then build all the trains

>>14908177

I'd look for a summary of what this game is on YouTube or some blogger site, but I'd get a lot of dick sucking. What even is this game? Gonna sage but don't take offense, I just don't know what this game is.

>>14908189

why do these newfags not know how boards work on 8chan?

>>14908196

Isometric autism simulator with hostile ayys.

Build big factory of increasing complexity until the spaghetti overtakes your mind and you see nothing but conveyor belts and trains.

Then stick guns on those trains and xenocide the hippie aliens.

>>14908197

>he doesn't know

>>14908244

The jew is allergic to honest industry

Besides Bob's what mods are worth playing?

>>14908196

You land on a world to exploit it's resources while the locals constantly break your NAP. You can also own recreational nukes.

>>14908177

Death world sounds fun on paper but it's a bit hardcore with the default settings. You can get easily deadlocked behind large worms with insufficient offensive power if you don't progress fast enough.

>>14908177

TBH deathworld settings matters less than starting in a desert.

>>14908196

Basically you build a factory that builds parts to make the factory out of. Also some ayys attack so you build defenses and shit.

>>14908703

I hate deserts. Is it because they are ideal for solars, or what?

If that's the case, one could also argue that trees are useful, to an extent, because they can mitigate some pollution as well

>>14908718

>Is it because they are ideal for solars, or what?

Desert tiles absorb less pollution and tend to have less trees, so ayys get triggered easier. Water tiles absorb more pollution than anything IIRC so you could try setting it to low/ freq large size if you wanted a more peaceful start. (That would also be more likely to give you an island start. I had one that was perfect once except it had no oil.)

>>14908739

Oh I thought you meant that deserts were ideal. Yeah, I knew different tiles absorbed pollution at different rates.

>>14908878

Kind of. I don't think there's a wrong way to use them. You have way the fuck too many gear assemblers though, one can supply 10 red science assemblers.

>>14908900

I know, I know… I made 5 of them just to get basic automation going, then said fuck it and made an even 6, and then I paired them off because I still haven't made a gear lane on my main bus 5 hours in

>>14908177

Marathon is actually way harder than Deathworld.

Marathon means more resources required for everything, which also means more pollution. 3-4x more pollution normally. Deathworld gives harder biters early but once you get lasers it's kind of irrelevant. More small ones is harder than few big ones and pollution is what determines the overall number of HP of enemies spawned.

That said neither is really hard if you can get efficiency modules and throw them in everything. Then get solar and you'll face almost no attacks to the end of the game.

>>14908244

We just don't know

>>14908244

It's a bot.

bump

This game is in my fucking head, my dreams are nothing but god damn belts and inserters.

>>14909324

>that set of achievements in a single game

I am about to finish the same thing, I just need to build the rocket and satellite.

>>14909027

are those bridges?

>>14911248

My guess is he made a fuckton of landfill and built a path over the water just for his train tracks.

>>14908244

>>14908177

I don't know what factorio is, but apparently you can build a fucking video encoder inside the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgfwwqwxdxY&

>>14911343

I don't understand why people do this kind of stuff in every game that has a decent wiring system.

>>14911343

People have built crazy stuff in Factorio.

>>14911403

>pic

Holy fuck

>>14911348

Because it's fun?

I hate that they changed the alien gen so you can't generate maps with solid blocks of nests anymore.

>>14908196

trailer says it all

>>14911972

What's wrong with walls?

>>14913548

>Reminds me I never got around to trying out the swarm mod. I'm not so sure the small ones are that big a problem either, they don't tend to be as armored as big ones so they might still have fewer effective hitpoints.

When using bullets (at least non-uranium), yeah the small ones aren't as bad as large ones. But nothing resists lasers so ideally you want the few big ones to minimize overkill. Not sure about the swarm mod though, it's pretty beastly and I think it has stuff with way higher resists and different resists.

>>14914395

Good luck securing that coal in time.

>>14914395

>970 starting coal

Jesus

Somehow I made it with ~100 coal left. Only made about 140 landfills (2,800 stone!). Hope I can get to the coal. Not sure how I'm getting it back, but I might just make a few miners on site and stockpile some there.

>>14915663

>That mess of pipes aka a functional oil chain

Neat. Also, does staggering that wall layer make a difference?

Island maps aren't too bad? Resources end up kind of sparse because of how much water there is. On the other hand, attacks are infrequent so far, because of how difficult it is to reach the base, the great number of natural chokes you have, and how water naturally saps pollution. I used about 3,000 stone to connect my main with my extra coal seam, but realistically if you landfill every other tile, you can get away with less for walking.

>>14915714

>landfill every other tile

Didn't know about that. Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Sounds like some amphibian biters would be nice to have to balance out that map type.

Staggering the wall makes a small difference (in theory) due to the biter pathing when in large groups. Seems to slow them down a little anyways, and sometimes they'll attack the staggered wall at the edge of the gun range instead of reaching the main one. plus it looks cool

>>14916572

It's simply not worth putting up a separate assembly line for cables. You're better off assembling them in-place.

It'll probably only get worth doing once you get insane levels of logistics bots, but until then your belts simply don't have the space to support this nonsense.

>>14916734

>until then your belts simply don't have the space to support this nonsense

If I want to constantly build a green chip on DW/M, then I have to have a 5:1 output on my assemblers for wire/chips… I don't know what else to do, other than put my two assemblers at the end

>>14911343

>>14911378

>>14911348

Autism.

>>14917056

>Why didn't you guard your fucking land bridge?

I honestly kind of forgot about it, and assumed that any attacks on the new island would go to the outpost, not my main.

Also, I had a setup like that on normal mode, once. I had three wire assemblers shared to two green chip assemblers and it worked okay.

>>14917244

Nice, I tend to avoid long inserters so I didn't think of doing that.

What do you guys think about the palleting mods?

(((FULL RELEASE WHEN)))

>>14917244

Do you have blueprints for non-marathon green circuit production setups like this for early mid and late game? I'm too much of a brainlet.

>>14917739

Non-marathon circuits is just 3 coil assemblers feeding 2 circuit assemblers in a W formation.

>>14917703

Slightly ghey but better than just straight up 3x speed belts etc.

>>14917753

Yeah, but I see pictures online with underground belts, splitters, all kinds of crazy shit in there.

>>14917794

Even though I beat the game, I figured this pattern out in my own. I feel hopeful for my ability.

Not enough to make a megabase or working circuit, but still

>>14917794

>Late game you get beacons and there's a billion ways to do green circuits and they all suck somehow.

With productivity the ratio becomes almost 1:1, it's very simple if you sacrifice that small bit of efficiency. Copper Cable assembler puts out about 31 per minute and a green circuit assembler needs 33.

>>14919359

I do hope they make biters more nasty in future base game updates.

>Different types of pollution, such as nuclear, carbon, thermal, water, etc

>Only get generic biters and spitters as they expand, until they hit your pollution cloud

>Affects the kind of evolution path different bases take

>Amphibious so they can path over water if you're trying to be a memelord

>Reflective hide, granting them laser resistance

>Tough skin, giving them explosion resistance

>Fast regeneration, etc

>>14919530

That would be cool, I like the idea of different evolution paths based on pollution type. I've also been hoping that someday the biters might periodically create megabases of their own that resemble a SC1 Zerg base. Spawners at the core, surrounded by buildings that boost the strength/size of the spawners' progeny, plus defensive worm towers. Perhaps these megabases would even have small logistics networks of their own, with the secondary buildings producing some sort of resource (from your pollution) that is ferried via creep/tentacle paths to the spawners where it triggers superbugs to spawn. Again, these biter bases would be quite rare and build themselves up over time, but represent a significant threat that has to be dealt with.

I suppose I just really like the idea of the biters being a more complex enemy with RTS AI.

>>14919530

The survival/base defense aspect of the game is my favorite thing about factorio and by far the most underdeveloped part as well. Kind of disappointing I want to have a real tough challenge protecting my buildings and actually feeling some sort of danger when having to expand far off into the distance knowing that its extremely risky rather than the current pushover that the aliens are. It's still somewhat fun as long as you spread resources far apart and limit the quantity so you're never really comfortable with what you have available

>>14919586

Oh that was the other thing. Give bullet turrets a reduced range (about 3-4 tiles shorter than it is now) and give it two upgrades for range to get to where it is now (or maybe an extra tile or two bigger).

Also give bases a creep carpet so you can't turret leapfrog them with impunity, or at least make it so you have to invest in range upgrades to do it

>>14919445

>if you sacrifice that small bit of efficiency.

I REFUSE

Also the real problem is in supplying copper and iron fast enough in the limited space inside beacon rows without them getting insultingly short. Best setup I've thought of was a train based one that didn't use belts and put 12 beacons on the circuit assembler and 13 on the cable assembler IIRC. Never got around to building it though.

>>14919359

Lasers are the gayest turret. They really should have been the weakest, since they take the least amount of logistics.

>>14919530

That would be neat if it required me to catch .22 them with both regenerating minefields and lasers for land only areas, and explicitly require piping in oil to flame turrets for island areas (I think perhaps amphibious should be weak to fire), would bring a lot more thought into defence.

>>14919586

>Superbases

oooooo

>>14919624

>should have been

They are by miles. The ammo damage upgrade and the turret damage upgrade stacks. They out damage laser with just the AP rounds without resistances and still out damage them against big biters with uranium rounds.

>>14908177

I really want to play a rail world but the rail signals thing confuses the shit out of me, even after having anons try to explain it to me like I'm a retard I still don't get it.

>>14920852

Place rail signals every so often and place chain signals when entering intersections. Place them all on the right side of the track.

The whole deal is that you are defining portions of the track that only one train can be in at a time.

>>14920852

I'd suggest seeing if there's a creative mode you can use to tinker around in. Maybe try using only rail signals at first and always placing one on each side of the track. That worked for me while I was still having trouble setting it up properly. Once you've gotten use to that, then bring in the chain signals.

You could also download someone else's save and tinker with an already-working rail system.

>>14911972

>putting radars literally eveywhere

>radars overlapping radars

muh ups

>>14908878

this is not ups efficient, you must use the absolute minimum amount of insertors

and factories to get the job done. inserts kill ups and so do factories. you must balance the number of factories and inserters being used to create them to your demand.

>>14911378

very impressive, but notice at the beginning he had to speed up the video because these setups are a huge UPS drain.

>>14916527

use landfill to create the shortest track possible to get to your resource, lengthy track drains ups

>>14917064

this is a decent setup, but remove the belts and use direct insert from copper to electronic circuits, belts drain UPS

>>14917129

>>14917244

>>14917794

same with all these, belts drain UPS

>>14921153

>The colors simply define the sections that only one train can be in.

the colors define how much UPS this piece of track is going to drain you of, the fewer the better

>>14921324

What is UPS, aside from an effective global shipping solution?

>>14921324

Why is everyone shitting on this anon? He's right, with a simulation game like this, if the gameplay goes on too long, you're going to get bogged down and need to take steps to get it running efficiently. Same sorta shit was necessary with DF and having FPS death.

Of course, if you're just fucking around and trying to launch a rocket and win, it's probably not a concern.

Actually, what's a good automation pattern for blue science?

>Using a Radar to tank worm damage so you can shotgun a nest without taking damage

Aaaah, early game marathon islands are shittt

>>14922578

Why one-way? Couldn't you use two bi-directional tracks with signals for better throughput? I don't into trains much.

Also, is there a good technique for crossing two parallel rails together?

>>14922662

>Couldn't you use two bi-directional tracks

You could, but I was just trying to make it as simple as possible. There's not really any advantage to 2-way tracks anyway besides using less space, if you want more train throughput it's better to just put more rails to both directions I think.

>crossing two parallel rails together

Depends which way each rail goes, but it should be more or less just like any other intersection.

>>14922765

Why even enable enemies if you're going to cheat to avoid them?

>>14922798

Who says I am? I just happened to wonder if it happened that way, so I tested it, and it does.

>>14920613

>o'rly?

Ya rly. 4 belts in 2½ belts out is the best I've been able to do.

>>14921834

I must be the only dude in the world who runs out of ram long before UPS problems.

>>14922811

>>14922820

This wont work at full speed until you get inserter capacity bonus. Yellow inserter can't even keep up with an assembler 1 making copper cables/circuits, let alone assembler 2. (And blue inserters are needed for moving the cables out).

>>14922888

Expensive mode for science doesn't actually do anything in the base game IIRC, it's just there for mods.

>>14923704

Silly anon, you cannot learn autism. You must be born with it. It's a birth defect.

>>14922578

Generally roundabouts aren't great for throughput. It's not a big issue but it's good to keep in mind.

>>14922662

>Why one-way? Couldn't you use two bi-directional tracks with signals for better throughput? I don't into trains much.

That makes for worse throughput. If traffic goes in one direction dozens of trains can line up going the same way at once (same way cars on a road do). If traffic goes both ways on a rail then one train going backwards means the whole forwards-going traffic is stuck and needs to find another path.

>>14923731

>>14924058

>Generally roundabouts aren't great for throughput.

Think bigger. Make your entire train network one big roundabout. I built a 1RPM base on this concept once. Never had congestion issues.

>>14924058

They are very hard to make perfectly. Something like that can deadlock if a train recalculates its route while in the roundabout. Fixing the problem generally either means much bigger roundabouts (like 5x as big) or signaling in such a way that lowers your ideal throughput. Intersections don't have these problems.

>>14923464

I bought it on the 16th, so about 20 days ago. Since then, I've put 186 hours into it, or about 9.3 hours per day holy fuck kill me

I spent my first 10 hours dicking around and learning the game, then I did a 40-60 hour game where I launched my first rocket with all the restriction achievements (eg no solars). Everything else has been 3-7 hour games where I dick around and restart, though my current play is a 10h deathworld marathon map

>>14921474

>>14921646

>>14921739

>>14922078

ignore these ups goblins trying to steal your ups with inefficiency

>>14922088

this is the main reason, depending on how fast your processor and ram are, try playing factorio at 20 ups, it's game over that point, it's the same as fps death in dwarf fortress. this happens sooner than you may think, especially if you are running marathon and/or deathworld, and after 1 playthrough, normal is super easy mode. you will drop out of 60 ups before you finish deathworld+marathon if you are not efficient. Once it drops, it drops quickly. You will go from smooth sailing 60/60 to to minutes later 45-60, another hour or 2 and you'll be at 30, and then another few hours unplayable 15-20.

>>14922353

>The only real tip to avoid UPS issues is to not have a shit ton of fluids in pipes.

this is the bane of UPS, all fluid must be minimized completely. You should also use underground belts in all cases if you can support building them, which you generally can in mid-late game, true, in early game, don't worry about it, but belt's are still bigger ups drains than underground belts even after the optimizations in the latest version.

the killer, and you all give me shit, you guys come up with these designs, cool, wait until you have blueprints and can just spam this shit all over the map. your ups will tank quickly when you are no longer building these massive bases by hand.

>>14922578

there's a factorio forum post that tested all common rail designs, roundabout is the absolute worst for throughput, but easy to build. not a big deal if you are not building a mega base, or even if it's on your outskirts, but if it's your main intersection before it hits your smelting, it will be a bottleneck.

>>14922700

ideal track for throughput allows trains to go both ways without stopping at an intersection. notice the colors, if both pieces of track share a color in the middle of it, if both are comming from both ways, 1 will have to stop and let the other pass even though this doesn't make sense. to make this work with signals effectivily is a monstrosity, to make room rails need to be 6-7 rails apart. search the forums for rail designs and you will see what i'm saying.

>>14922798

enemies (and pollution) are the single largest UPS drain in the entire game. if you remove enemies you can have your base playable and be twice the size, however atleast in my opinion, this kills the game. ups autism aside, if there are no enemies, and strong enemies, there is no difficulty and it's full sandbox, and it kills the game quickly. i recommend a playthrough on normal and then move to deathworld for challenge. otherwise you will get board and quit quickly.

>>14922811

this is close to the ideal ups effecient solution mid-game. late game, you are using beacons, and all factories must be surrounded by max beacons for max efficiency, in straight lines. preferably not supplied with belts at all but with an isolated bot network. bot networks are highly ups effecient on small scale but are highly inefficient if you make your entire factory 1 big bot network, at which point when you spam 10000 bots you will quickly find your game unplayable and quit.

>>14923390

this is why never expanding past your wall is the way to go. on deathworld this becomes a massive pain in the ass and will likely cause you to say fuck this, either quit playing with biters and/or quit playing the game entirely. artillery on trains was built to alleviate this pain to some extent.

>>14923889

nuclear destroys ups even in the newest update due to fluid inefficiency, which is why all megabases use solar.

tldr;

>muh ups

once the magic is gone you are still left with a highly replayable game. the game becomes how to best improve your designs to be the most ups effecient, or install angel's / bob's mods which adds so much shit any hope of ups efficiency is destroyed. there are few megabases that run angel's/bob's because even on a $5000 computer it will drop below 20fps and no longer be playable.

do not let UPS destroy your fun starting out in this amazing game. leave it for when you are better and start feeling the pain of the ups drops.

>>14924947

>do not let UPS destroy your fun starting out

>starting out

>UPS

lol

>>14924947

>enemies (and pollution) are the single largest UPS drain in the entire game. if you remove enemies you can have your base playable and be twice the size, however atleast in my opinion, this kills the game.

I kind of agree but on the other hand, by the time you get to megabase level there's no challenge left in the ayys anyway and even the logistical drain they provide in terms of ammo, repair packs or power drain is imperceptible. Best compromise would be to have the rocket launch kill them. Have them go berserk when you put the silo down and if you survive you're free to start your autism megabase. It kind of makes the infinite researches for weapon damage etc useless but did anyone ever use it in the first place?

>>14924947

but the main selling point for me has never been mega bases instead its cramped, limited land and limited resources while dealing with angry mobs of critters. Trying to adapt to difficult maps is much more fun than big bases on flat open land

>>14925113

i always envisioned the best way to do this end game would be to have some kind of conquest mode. so that when you launched the rocket you went somewhere else, along with some amount of supplies at some extreme expense you launched with it, and maybe some bonus's from your previous system, regular supplies or something based on how much your base was producing at the time, and then if you die, you get transported back to your old base via whatever lore you want to place there, launch another rocket, repeat until you conquered the system.

basically just give some meaning towards starting a new game at increased difficulty.

>>14925235

I wanna see a lava/volcano biome. Eruptions could flow magma which adds resources to the ground but destroys buildings. Would allow a setup where (probably with recursive blueprints mod) you have a lava flood sensor (something in radius gets burnt) which builds mines around it until the resources are gone and then deconstructs, to wait for the next flood.

Did the factorio devs made any improvements to the ayy lamos? I have been playing Factorio in the past for a while but there was never any decent update for the ayy lamos, I like my game more action oriented instead of focusing too much on the base.

t. Factorio 0.14-0.15 pro piratef player

>>14925269

I keep wanting ice and snow

Are there any downsides to pirating this?

>>14925458

Nah. They're still the same.

>>14925670

I don't see why not. Thinking of it, the only non-rectangular building in the game is curved railroad tracks, no?

>>14925790

You can't download mods off the main website (getting them anywhere else works), nothing else aside from that. It's worth its price though.

>>14925636

Having to regulate or plan for the temperature of machines would be a nice complexity to add.

>>14925670

For what purpose? Most entities just have a setting for bounding box so it's kind of implied you can't, but I guess you could use script fuckery to spawn invisible buildings to emulate it, kind of, though it would still look like a normal assembler while you were placing it.

>>14925636

P. sure I've seen snow biomes in a mod.

>>14922088

I think he's just joking, what with the last part talking about the track draining UPS.

>>14926114

The train would still have to calculate pathfinding would it not?

>>14926108

Mods can fix it™

>>14926114

Technically the more signals you have the more CPU cycles the train spends pathfinding (each zone is a node). It's unnoticeable unless you do something silly like place a signal in every tile though.

>>14926108

Think they was talking about changing/improving the aliens in one of their Friday blogs recently. They know they need to do something at least due to the ups drain aliens make at endgame mega bases.

>>14926246

>It's unnoticeable unless you do something silly like place a signal in every tile

or your running 9000 trains or your running 1000 and you have 50 intersections each with 60 signals each.

>60 signals

if you want a perfect 4 way with no slowdowns it goes up that high. however your throughput will be relative compared to the ups drain.

>>14925867

>>14925894

>>14925936

I've done some digging

most objects just have a collision_box, but curved rails also have a secondary_collision_box, so maybe it could work, but I have no idea what I am doing here.

>For what purpose?

having more tools is always fun.

>>14926246

to be fair though it's hard to fuck trains up ups wise. trains are order of magnitude faster to calculate than belts. remember, when you have belt's going everywhere, every single item on that belt must be calculated. in the lastest update they have improved that effeciency compared to underground belts, so they are similar now, but the calculation is still less effecient. the moment inserts get involved you see ups slowdowns, but if you have a fully compressed belt moving along, or they distance between the individual items on that belt are not changing much (belt of ammo around the base) then it's much more effecient now.

early game you have no choice and your base isn't big enough for it to matter anyway, but mid-late game for any extended distance you always want to use trains. and never pipe liquids long distances, and you must always use underground pipes for anything more than 1 tile (1 underground pipe in the calcuation counts as 1 overground pipe, but the underground can go like 15 tiles, so the ups drain on 1 underground max length at 15 tiles is 1/15 that of doing it overground with 15 pipes).

>>14926322

Guess you could make a separate rail type based on curved rail, use that as the inventory item so players see a non-rectangular collision box when they place it, then replace it with a pair of assemblers or something with identical grafics. Except since it wouldn't be one entity you'd have to use script fuckery to make it act like one and I'm not sure that's even possible.

>>14926353

you make think i'm just trolling with ups but if you run deathworld+marathon (deathworld used to just be marathon by default, now there's an option for normal recipies), you will see ups drains before you launch the rocket unless your running a beast processor. and also remember factorio is not multithreaded for the most part. there are some threads for some things but it's still largely single threaded, your 12 cores mean nothing, it's single core performance + ram speed.

>>14926381

>you will see ups drains before you launch the rocket unless your running a beast processor

Is an i7-2600 a beast processor? Because I had no UPS issues at all launching a rocket on deathworld in .16

>>14926428

it was a beast but that's pretty old now, all depends on how big your base was when you launched, you launched at 60/60 ups? did you have ups issues in .15? the efficiency in .16 is greatly improved.

your much more likely to see ups drains more quickly than you would like on laptops and super budget desktops. load the same thing on an i3 from the same generation and i would be you would see ups drops.

>>14926322

Does anything else use the secondary collision box, or just the rails? Is it still rectangular?

>>14926672

How so? They're only going to be needed when you're placing new stuff, right?

>>14926680

I meant just in terms of memory storage (I have a bit of /agdg/ in me)

Anyways, it's probably not a big issue, since it would only matter when placing objects or you or biters pathing - objects don't move unless they're on a belt and they have their own rules for that

Guess who's expansion just got destroyed?

>>14927767

Do you only have two turrets? I'd carry like 30 of them and a few stacks of ammo.

BTW, anyone else feel it's silly that Uranium ammo requires nuclear power tech? Seems to me that mining uranium and putting it in bullets should be really simple compared to a controlled nuclear fission reaction. Would make gun turrets a lot more competitive if you could upgrade to uranium at the same time lasers were unlocked.

>>14928067

I wish there were more basic ingredients, eg zinc, limestone, tin, lead. Imagine lead-tipped bullets for the midgame

Also, I've been… struggling. All my copper has been being fed into green chips so I can make green science so I can desperately crawl towards laser turrets (14 hours in..). I just started stockpiling what I need to make grey science, so I just need to defend my base carefully for another hour or so and I should be fine. The problem is that I can't keep up with the piercing ammo to keep the big biters at bay, and when I attack or defend from nests, my strategy is to try to have a turret fend one off while I spam grenades (10 or more) at it to kill it. It's very awful.

>15 hours in

>Copper is desperately low

>Manged to finish research on laser turrets

>No more automated red science

>Still need to get blue science going

V-Videogames

>>14929207

There are six kinds of science packs. You're going to have to change that again soon.

>>14929218

>soon

Considering I'm 16 hours in and don't have military or blue science automated yet, you vastly overestimate me

>>14929283

This is prone to backing up, as soon as you start some big researches and you'll only be supplying the cheap packs, the red will fuck up the single belt. You should run 3 belts with 2 science pack on each, all the way from the production facilities.

>>14929335

I'll be getting the 5-6-12 ratio set up at some point. If I keep things proper, then the buffer chests won't get used that much. I'll probably have a more elaborate sorter with a dedicated belt, but for now, this lets me get small amounts of progress on tech while I set up automation (which I know will end up taking hours for me).

>>14929344

Even if you have the perfect ratios for the assemblers, they will not produce a perfect output unless you also take care to split all resources. It'll be fine as long as you only use red and green packs, but later you'll be needing that rebuild.

Alternatively you could use circuit control to feed the single belt according to the contents of the chests, but I've never done that, easier to just run the belts.

>>14909637

lol his homm3 review got hit with a content warning.

>>14929344

> If I keep things proper, then the buffer chests won't get used that much.

Then why have them?

I guess you could also just research circuits and disable the outputs from e.g. red science assemblers when you have more than N red packs buffered to keep the belt from backing up.

>>14929369

>Why have them

Because I struggle with taking a very long time to set up automation and my throughput is usually pretty terrible

>>14929454

>that complete lack of oil

RIP.

>>14929786

It's not that bad, I mostly mind myself needing 3-4 wells and that'll give me more than enough oil to start with. I can capture the stuff to the southeast and then capture the fields to the northeast. Not ideal, but it's enough

>>14929786

There's oil just to the southeast, and coal next to it so he can add coal liquification easily when he gets it.

>>14929786

It's only 2050 plastic without prod modules. He's got his work cut out for him trying to secure it though.

>>14929335

>>14929283

He could add some circuitry on the buffer boxes, only produce science when above 500 packs or so.

But at the same time a single yellow is probably going to be saturated, and there's really no reason to run a blue belt in the open like that where space isn't at a premium. Just run 3-4 yellows.

What would a proper endgame science lab setup look like? Can someone post images?

>>14931128

I don't think beaconing labs is worth it, since they already get so much speed from labs speed techs and the extra speed from beacons is just additive.

>>14931214

Worth what? What's the cost? A tiny bit of electricity, it's practically free.

>>14931214

It still more than doubles the speed for less than double the area.

>>14931217

Worth the hassle of fitting the beacons into the setup compared to a simpler setup, like two belts on each side with two types of packs each or even just lab-to-lab inserters.

>>14931214

Nah, it's worth it. You want productivity modules anyway, so if you have 20 module your choice is between 10 labs (700% total speed) or 4 labs/6 beacons (1620% total speed if my math is correct).

It might also lower overall power usage but I'm not sure without checking. It does when you have multiple rows of assemblers but I'm not sure about one row of labs.

>>14931214

>>14931231

Actually looking into it, the speed bonus from research is straight up multiplied on.

>>14931254

Fuck, thanks for correcting me. That makes using beacons definitely very worthwhile.

>>14931475

>>14931477

I fucking love it, do you play a DW or regular world? I've done one good long map so far and it was a regular world, so now I want to start a fresh map with all the shit I've learned.

>>14908177

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>>14931528

Looks like /leftypol/ forgot to take their daily estrogen supplement and are a little bit cranky right now.

>>14931493

I usually do regular since I've only completed ~2 or 3 worlds in my tenure. A lot of times I'll get tired out and play another game and just not come back to it or or I notice the inevitable UPS goblins in my yellow/purple research lines.

Be great to play this with anons if it then wouldn't be completed overnight (which it would).

Could do some kind of deathworld with a hyper aggression mod to slow down our autism. Not necessarily super huge biters right off the bat just having constant waves of them after a point.

>>14935054

There are so many things that could be done with biters, but I bet a super simple easy mod would be to have random biter attacks that aren't related to pollution at all. Not as frequent as pollution triggered attacks, but not as benign as the regular expansion groups.

>>14935259

Maybe it's good that they're so vanilla then? Since they're so simple, you can literally make them into whatever you want. Have aggressive zerg-like creep bases, for example

>>14935470

Wait no 6

>>14935584

Hey, at least you have turrets. I had… half an SMG when the first attack hit. Also switch to tier 2 magazines, they can carry you until behemoths.

>>14935659

Middle-click an item on the hotbar, it reserves that slot for that kind of item.

>>14935659

I prefer smaller bases too but I want at least one world where I have a gigantic playground to do whatever the fuck and test things out and such. Also what this anon said >>14935731 for the hotbar. Pollution has died down a bit since then and most of the factory is inactive, getting pretty close to laser turrets so the invading critters are gonna get glassed shortly

>>14935731

Damn, wish I knew that earlier. QOL significantly improved

I like the aggression on DW, but I don't like how marathon fucks the ratios of common things, but I appreciate the increased cost of stuff. Would standard DW with 4x or even 10x research cost be a fun compromise, do you think?

>>14935259

There's a mod called biter seasons that apparently makes ayys switch between being pretty docile and going on berserk rampages on a timer instead of pollution. Pitch black might also be good.

>>14924084

Isn't making your base one big roundabout using the single-line train methodology? I know that the Disney People Mover uses that philosophy of a line of continuously moving objects. It's a concept i've wanted to try in factorio. And I might well start. I have a lot of games to play now!

>>14936036

>>14935914

I know there's dangerous worldmode where you get the nastier biters without the extra cost.

>>14936400

Yeah, that's Death World

I aught to do a Dune world. Nothing but sand, with some small/medium cliff areas. For the sake of gameplay, water would be allowed to be in tiny puddles. Resources are otherwise very rich and frequent, except for wood.

>>14938361

It's silly little things like this that make me wish the base mapgen was a lot more flexible in what it allowed, and also for alternate paths through the gameplay (eg, even if you never use wood, you NEED at least 1 tree to win, since it's required for electricity)

>>14938541

Not until modules. Unless you're running out of coal/going early nuclear.

>>14938541

Do you need that many furnaces? Why stone and not steel furnaces? Is the split belt worth the trouble?

>>14938837

Beacons take a stupid amount of power each, but they radiate their modules at 50% power to everything in like a 7 or 9 tile radius or something like that.

>>14938837

>overnight

Yeah. That's why I'm saying we just need some kind of super aggression mod. I am happy though that the game is balanced around a single player being able to easily do everything as opposed to games like medieval engineers where survival mode is a huge grind by yourself.

>>14938862

>at 50% power

That must be why I never bothered. Getting my nuclear up and running now so I should have limitless power soon.

>>14939010

In that case, once the hours go somewhat dead the whole base will be torn to pieces. It's a tough balance.

>>14939018

Complaining that beacons transmit at half power is like saying you'll never use stone furnaces because they're "only" half the speed of steel/electric

>>14939035

I know, I delayed using bots because I thought I'd have to make blueprints and couldn't be bothered. Then I realised you could copy and paste.

Speaking of which does anyone have the train autism blueprint pastebin?

>>14939018

Mod should get the number of active players and adjust accordingly.

Here's a question on timings

>Red Science takes 5 seconds to produce

>Therefore, you get 12 crafting cycles per minute

>If you build 5 assemblers, you create 60/m or an average of 1/s

>To keep up with this demand, you need 60 Iron Gears

>Iron Gears take 0.5 seconds to produce, which means that a single assembler can produce 120 gears per minute

>Doesn't seem like the last assembler in a chain gets as many ingredients

Does this have to do with density or what? I know my production speed is just fine. For reference, I have 5 red science assemblers in a row, the first one gets about 81 products finished, and the last one says it made 69

>>14939900

I think so. I really tend to notice that thing when I make snake way bases and my research line is a mile long of one continuous iron belt and copper belt. The later factory sections just don't get enough materials. It's density plus the pick rate of anything coming before it.

>>14939900

Throughput is really important with long belts. If they're struggling to get products to the end of the line properly, you've got to check for bottlenecks. Commonly these are the speed of the belts, speed of the arms, and amount of supply. Ideally all of your belts should be completely backed up (compressed) and the bottleneck should be from the consumption of the output.

Upgrade your belts and arms first, see if that fixes things.

>>14940433

It should operate at parity, though. Either way, I fixed it by just slapping down another iron ring assembler.

>Belts send 13.33 items/s

>10 red science consume 10 rings every 5 seconds (so 10/5s or 2/s)

>1 assembler creates exactly 2/s

Assuming full saturation, it should be just fine, but it's hitting a snag somewhere. I'm not counting the inserter speed, since the output (ring) and input (science) cancel eachother out. Whatever, no big deal

>>14938541

>>14938557

Electric furnaces consume twice as much coal (or solid fuel or rocket fuel or w/e) as Steel furnaces assuming you're using boilers. Don't even think about it unless you have at least solar or efficiency modules.

>>14939900

Assemblers will pick up up to twice their amount (or more with beaconed crafting speed), so starting out the near ones will be taking more than their fair share until they are saturated.

In any case make sure the gear assembler isn't bottlenecked by input or inserters.

>>14939900

What kind of inserters are you using? Is the assembler actually producing 120 gears per minute?

>>14941637

For the sake of it, let's say Fast Inserters, since I've noticed it on mature bases as well. I don't think it actually is producing them that fast, though I guess I could actually pop in game and test it out, right?

I just figure that the speed of inserters in/out should negate the overhead. Additionally, if it's labeled at 0.5s per craft, then mathematically it should be producing ~120/m minus the inserter cost (actually a little less because it's crafted at 0.5x or 0.75x speed depending, but so are the science packs)

>>14941708

Yeah, just tested my setup on a freeplay world and it's accurate. Using assembler 2 (0.75x speed) with iron rings (0.5s craft time):

>5s test hovered around 88.4/m to 96.2/m

>60s test hovered around 89.8/m to 90.2/m

>>14941708

It takes 2 iron plates (or more) to make a single gear wheel, usually there are issues feeding the gear production assemblers because they eat up the iron plates really fast. Also, the 0.75 ratio is affecting all your assemblers (or 0.5 if you are using an assembler 1 somewhere in the system). 5 Assembler 2's will not give you 1 science per second, you need 6.667 assemblers. 1 gear assembler should be more than enough to feed them either way. Post a picture of your setup.

>>14939900

Remember yellow inserters take slightly more than a second to cycle so you might have a hidden bottleneck there.

>>14940556

>1 assembler creates exactly 2/s

Not really, since they have crafting speed modifiers. Gray assemblers are 0.5, blue ones are 0.75.

The math is a lot easier though if you pretend blue ones run at normal (1.0) speed and think of the belts as carrying 13.33 / 0.75 items per sec.

>>14941802

Shouldn't I still factor in the belts as having 13.33 items (per side?) regardless, in the case that I have multiple sources to actually saturate the belt, though?

>>14941809

>per side

It's both sides combined.

>>14941809

The idea is that since blue assemblers work at 0.75 speed, it takes 13.33 / 0.75 = 17.77 assemblers to fill a belt if they're outputting one item per second. Likewise for input, e.g. if you want a belt of iron plates turned into gears, you need 17.77 / (2*2) assemblers.

The point is just that when you're planning something, you don't have to convert back to real-time seconds to check how many belts of stuff you need.

>>14941847

>>14941937

Oh no

Test / bump

My current plan here must be suicide, because I just made an entirely desert/sand death world with almost no water.

Can someone post a blue science assembler? I need to make them in chunks of 12

>>14942774

They wrecked my shit too before. Best thing is lots of grenades or piercing rounds and turret leapfrog

>>14954226

Isn't there a recipe for petroleum gas -> solid fuel?

>>14954320

light oil is the most efficient for it but yea I suppose as a last resort I'll do it

>249,900 iron to create 1,000x of each science pack including white from rockets

I know it's endgame as fuck, but a huge seam of iron (3.1m or so) would only be able to support like a dozen before you have to move on. Do you just keep building or what?

>>14957283

I'm guessing you're gonna be boosting productivity real hard at the endgame so you aren't gonna be eating up your resources too fast

>>14958620

Imagine being as retarded as I am though

>>14954931

It might work better if you had the assemblers take from both belts :^)

>>14957283

Just drive 10 miles in any direction from spawn, there'll be 300M patches. Also, mining productivity.

>>14959081

Whoops, forgot the other inserters. I'm tired.

>Productivity

So it literally creates an extra ore, it doesn't double mine?

>>14959211

Yeah.

Just found a spicy new way to push turrets on nests early game

>Set turret filter to 2

>Set ammo filter to 3

>As long as you have enough shit in your inventory, it will restock the quickbar

>Just a matter of slapping a line of turrets down, then ctrl-right clicking your ammo across the row

It's silly, you can drop like 6, 8, 10 turrets in a second if your aim is good, then all of a sudden they're firing

FACTORIO, ACCENT ON THE O

>>14959211

>So it literally creates an extra ore, it doesn't double mine?

There's a purple bar that fills up however much your productivity % is each time it produces something. Spits out a free one every time it's full. So a productivity bonus of 10% would fill the bar 10% every time a product is made and on the 10th creation it gives you a free one. I used to think it was a percent chance for free shit but I'm glad that isn't the case.

>>14960086

Right, but I wasn't sure whether the "free" product from productivity was literally a new object or just a bonus dig. I guess it makes sense, given it works the same way on the modules for item creation.

Also as far as I know, only the Kovarex nuclear shit has a RNG to it, everything else is mostly deterministic

>>14960092

Yeah so putting productivity modules as far up the chain as possible is your best bet. That way instead of just the one piece of ore being duplicated, it's every product that goes into it. Processing units for example would net you a free 5 sufuric acid, 24 iron plate, 40 copper plate, and 4 plastic bars every time it triggers. Very useful for making those ore patches last.

>>14954226

>>14954449

Make sure to disable all cracking light >petroleum once the natural gas levels in your tanks reaches a certain amount- you can also enable a bleed off of natural gas to solid fuel once it hits the maximum to ensure you can keep processing crude. Same thing for heavy oil, just crack it into light oil if you have too much and don't need more lubricant.

>>14960989

>Make sure to disable all cracking light >petroleum once the natural gas levels in your tanks reaches a certain amount

TBH I find it better to just enable cracking when an excess of heavy / light builds up. If there's no room in the output tank the cracking will stop automatically.

>>14961039

I suppose. All my method allows for is when one thing is full, you need another thing, and now your refineries won't produce because 1/3 tank types is full. I've had it happen.

It's funny how I had two full tanks of surplus petroleum AND crude oil for the longest time and constantly low on light/heavy for its use as solid fuel. The moment I open the floodgates for processing units I blink and its all gone. No more problems with light oil but hot damn it disappeared in no time.

>>14960191

Not necessarily. Boosting Later stages of production tend to save more resources because they are quick and the inputs are more expensive.

Check near the bottom of this page: https://dddgamer.github.io/factorio-cheat-sheet/

>>14961658

Once you get some landmines and construction bots, make some regerating minefields. Those are fun.

>Reserve

Right, and for that I would just have yet another tank that isn't wired to the rest as an emergency tank, which bleeds off from the main lines and is only used when the main is empty. This could also be used as a falling edge type of trigger to activate my proposed system which disposes of any unneeded types until the reserves are once again full- and hopefully clearing the deadlock automatically in the process.

>Light oil is empty, but gas is full

>pump light oil reserve into main

>when this is empty, crack everything

>To ensure flow, use gas for fuel production

>When all reserves are full, stop the process.

Sure the problem might crop up again until your economic demands change, but once again it will be handled with no intervention.

>>14962494

>when empty

Perhaps as emptying, instead.

>>14961658

>lost 100 turrets

Holy shit anon you need denser formations. Walls should be literally one turret every square unit. If you want to be efficient separate each with enough space for a light or lamp post, but no more. The biters have low-level AI, so they will not just blindly assault the same place every time. Over the course of the game they will slowly shift their assaults to different parts of your walls not covered by turrets. This is why ALL of the walls must be covered by turrets.

>>q14968684

>so they will not just blindly assault the same place every time

I thought they go to whatever made the most pollution

>>14969053

Generally, yes, but that doesn't mean they take a blind bee-line towards it. Every time I've squared off my base with walls their attack waves creep around the turrets.

Hey look, 3D Factorio

>>14970479

>Zero gameplay footage

>Most of the comments are people commenting on the "cute lizard sneezing"

Superb trailer, sure looking forward to that game

>>14969966

Those look like really weak enemy bases. Why not take 10 minutes, run around and drop a quick turret push? Doing so will probably give you about 2 hours of almost no attacks

>>14970684

Not properly.

>>14970479

Why the hell did you post that video?

>>14971268

There's gameplay.

>>14971268

To be fair, the lizard was pretty cute when it sneased

>>14971747

Looks exactly like no mans sky but with conveyor belts. Seems like due to the verticality and POV it's less about autistic efficiency and more about the cool stuff like rocket calldown buildings from space. I'd try it.

>>14971747

I dig the music, but the immediate focus on multiplayer is an instant no-go for me. I fucking hate these meme-multiplayer games. They're nothing but twitchbait.

>>14974533

>>14973566

Nuclear is a dangerous tool!

I know there is no interest, but if anyone wants to join me for a publicly hosted mess I'll have a server up for awhile running under the /v/ 8ch name. Password is trains. I don't really figure on anyone joining, but if you want to it'll be there.

>>14975822

I might dick around, what settings? When are you hosting?

>>14975979

I'm using the public server hosting system. I'll try and host daily 9 pm to 3am Central Standard Time.

Using Train World settings, with a low level of trees, standard biter set up, low amounts of water. Basically, a giant desert, without a lot of trees, and endless wastes. 'large' resource patches, but I've only JUST started, so that can be changed, as well as increasing the Biter influence.

Wait, so is it hosted now? /v/ and 8ch give no results

>>14976129

It SHOULD be up. I might be really fucking things up. Should be under "/v/8ch". I might be being an idiot [If this is the case, I'll delete my last posts and try and figure out what I'm doing WRONG]

>>14976148

Are you doing a headless server or through the game client? In the case of the headless server, I kept making the mistake of not doing the command line parameters to load the server settings (eg, so it would never auth against the public server).

Also check your port forwarding.

>>14976166

Trying to host through the game client. I was honestly trying to set up a headless server for /v/ to use, but I just could not figure out how to set up the .json settings. For port forwarding, I think i've got it set, I want it to match my ipv4 Address, with the 34197 right? Also, I know that's such an easy, stupid question. This is my first radio.

>>14976183

It's much easier to just generate a map, and have the server load the save file than to generate it via command. For some reason, my local machine joining my own server on another machine gave me a map error, even though it never joined it before. What I ended up doing was copying the server save to %appdata%/factorio/server/ (new folder) and just doing all my shit in there, so I didn't have to worry as much about pathing.

Anyways, it's not getting detected through the client. What's your IP address?

>>14976202

try 192.168.1.113:34197

I really am shitty at all this port forwarding and opening things and setting all the static IP business. You think for someone on /v/ who wants to do multiplayer I'd have my shit together a little more.

>>14976257

>192.168.1.113:34197

Nah, that's your local network address (eg on your home/office). Try https://www.whatismyip.com/ or a similar site, you want a public IPv4 address.

I'll try pinging your server and see what error it spits out on my end

>>14976273

199.0.197.19

I have no idea. When I do ipconfig trying to get this stuff, that number doesn't show up anywhere. I don't know how to internet. A lot of this seems pretty confusing, compared to the internet set up i've had before, and I think it's just that i'm in a small town in the middle of nowhere, using a local isp, instead of any of the big box names.

>>14976278

Yeah, it's saying that I can't resolve to host, so I think your ports might not be opened. Check that Factorio isn't getting blocked by your firewall (which it shouldn't be, if you've ever played it online), and secondly, what kind of router/setup do you have?

You might have to log into your admin console at 192.168.0.1 or whatever it is for your network and manually open a port.

>>14976369

Oh, my own version is deprecated, god bless. Says I'm on .36, you're on 0.50. GOOD TO KNOW

>>14976403

This is what happens when you run the STEAM version. MY bad. Also, i'm probably going to clear up a lot of these posts I made because I feel bad for cluttering up the entire thread. If I can get where people can actually join, I'll try and stick to those host times, maybe just create / host a new server. I'd like to at least see how the connectivity is first though, if a person joins and it's all stuttery or slow for them, no point in ME trying to host the "official" /v/ server.

>>14976447

I'm going to reset my machine, and then try hosting again.

>>14976487

Can't delete my posts, so looks like you're all stuck with this bullshit I could have settled in a disagreement channel! Started back up. Only message I see on launching the online game is "Matching Server connection resumed." If you try to join again, and it still doesn't work, it's all fucked and i'll just throw everything away.

>>14971373

At this point it doesn't matter since I got walls now. Earlier on I didn't want to push the evolution too far too early. Even without destroying any bases blue biters showed up around the 2½ hour mark. Also turret creeping is lame

>>14976369

For some reason most port forwarding guides don't mention this, but you also have to port forward on Windows, in the firewall.

Open Firewall > New Rule > Port > (TCP or UDP, don't remember what Factorio uses) > Specific local port: [enter the port here] > Allow connection > click next until finished.

For the JSON's, you will want to edit server-settings, there's one called require user verification, set that to false so that the game allows pirated clients. This needs to be loaded with the –server-setting [path to settings file]/settings.json command on startup, not sure if it works with normal Factorio or just headless.

>>14976735

Why bother having defenses at all then? It's resources you could be spending elsewhere and it's a game about efficiency. :^)

>>14977060

I'll try and host the server headless tomorrow, I've got a friend who works in IT, and i'm sure they'll be more than happy to come over and assist me. As is, server is down, headless or not, it'll be back up and running at 9 Central for anyone interested in playing. Hopefully, it'll be as easy as just JOINING a server.

I think i'll add the squeeze through mod, just because it's so useful for getting past pipes, but i'm not sure if that ruins the fun of Vanilla. Now, when you were talking about that, in my .bat file that controls the server, i'm going to have to have a section of it that says –server-setting :c/folder/folder/file/settings.json, or something like that? I might just try and make a disagreement later too, though that's always a bit annoying in my eyes. As is, good luck with your efficiency!

>>14977367

Ambience :^)))

>>14977411

Yeah, this is for linux but it's the same on windows:

/factorio/1516/bin/x64/factorio –start-server savename –server-setting data/settings.json

There's also a –load-latest or something like that. You can find a reference on the wiki for these params.

If you want a server to dick around on, I can start up my dedi, but due to exams I'm not really available to play much.

>>14976534

It's ok anon, at least now I know what's happening after waking up.

>>14978526

>not using the blowtorch flamethrower

>>14978624

When I'm not waltzing through their camps shielded and covered in napalm, this is how I take care of biters.

Accidental sage

>>14978743

What about combat walkers?

>>14978526

Ah, I see you're still fighting tiny bases without a shitload of big worms there ready to force you to retreat and repair from near death every 5 seconds. Also, only flamethrower is worth anything on the tank.

>>14982545

To be fair, running shit over is pretty fun too. My first time, it was "the answer" to tough bases I couldn't deal with anymore.

Also we're on page 13!

>>14982678

I'll make a new thread, with disagreement info, hosted server, factorio general info, the youtube video link, and suggested actions for new players and such. People can still super easily get the entire game for free and play on multiplayer right, just by downloading to demo or being given the files from a person who fully owns the game?

>>14982707

If you make a new thread, do not put disagreement stuff in the OP. Just make it a generic Factorio thread, and have the first post be server info.

I might try running a headless vanilla server, if you wanted to do your trainworld with mods.

>>14982761

>>14983184

How's this look?

>>14983192

Looks fine to me