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68ab11 No.14891741

I can't believe Bandai made a better Battlefront 2 than EA and we're never going to get it

>Space battles with giant robots

>leave your MS any time to do sneaky bullshit with on-field vehicles

>capture command posts

>blow up your enemies command ship

>kill yourself because there'll never be a PC version

9ed7c6 No.14891748

>battle operation

No no no, that's not even battlefront 2, its just japanese team based fortnite with pay to win mechanics. Its shit.


68ab11 No.14891753

File: 35405b43018456e⋯.jpg (345.72 KB, 915x1140, 61:76, fe9121ede83ed544989de419ab….jpg)

I still can't believe this is getting a western release


f5b338 No.14891808

I just want a turn-based tactical Gundam game where I get to play as Zeon. How is that too much to ask?


f5b338 No.14891848

>>14891825

Stop bullying my post you filthy faggot.


68ab11 No.14891862

File: 40ded0922cdd017⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 430.11 KB, 1500x1500, 1:1, 549087550670.jpg)

>>14891808

Not very if you can stomach SD


441c14 No.14891882

>>14891741

Namco is an alright company and all but what IS the point of robots in space? The main point of mechs is to walk around and use their limbs, but what the fuck is the use of having them in space? Why not just use spaceships?


cc6f54 No.14891892

>>14891753

Is Gundam Unicorn STILL being paraded around like it's the hottest shit ever? Holy shit Japan, find another robot to fawn over. Unicorn was shit.


5bd670 No.14891897

I just want a good gundam game. I loved Gundam Wing as a kid and believed Zion did nothing wrong, why are there no Gundam action games worth a shit?


68ab11 No.14891944

File: 0316f6b59b464f6⋯.jpg (84.83 KB, 640x422, 320:211, Msencyclopedia_2003b.jpg)

>>14891882

Because for a space ship to turn they need to expend propellant. A Mobile suit just needs to move their arms with electricity and with them being in space they can get that electricity back no problem thanks to solar panels.


cc6f54 No.14892033

>>14891944

>solar panels

There's only ever been a handful that utilize solar panels at all, and never for powering the mobile suit itself. Most use a fusion reactor or are powered by some sort of McGuffin particle unique to their series.


a499df No.14892047

>>14891882

Rule of cool. In the Gundam universe the titular robots began their lives as more advanced EVA suits for working out the outside of space ships. Then space nazis weaponized them and then the federation copied the design hence Gundam.


f0cdff No.14892051

>>14891944

>Solar panels

>electricity

the fuck are you on about, in UC gundam, Mobile suits are powered by literal nuclear reactors right behind the cockpit. AMBAC is basically taking into the accounts of force and counter force in space and acting on that.

>>14892033

In universe it's supposed to be a "clean" nuclear reactor, in that it leaves behind no radiation if the reactor blows after going critical. Helium 3 is a base component to the structure itself, which is why the juptier energy fleet is a thing even back in 0079 and before since ships use the reactor too on a larger scale

>>14891741

>GBO

Combat was ass because it came down to body checking and stun locks with zooks. the energy system was BS and unless you liked only playing 3 matches every 6 hours then it was ok.


441c14 No.14892070

>>14892047

I like mechs and I like to see them walking. Mechs in space aren't cool.


441c14 No.14892078

>>14891944

>for a space ship to turn they need to expend propellant

A spaceship can have articulated turrets you know.


68ab11 No.14892087

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>>14891892

Yeah, Thunderbolt was better if not for all the Gook engrish music making up half of the soundtrack

>>14892078

yeah but that's gay


441c14 No.14892096

File: 0e8510b822ab476⋯.webm (474.79 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, aimbot.webm)

>>14892087

>gay

You fucking what m8?


a499df No.14892102

>>14892070

>mechs in space aren't cool

But you see the mechs in Gundam are meant to work on the colonies where gravity is simulated via centrifugal force. In that situation having a vehicle that can simultaneously stand on solid ground and navigate through space is an advantage.

On another note, what do you think of mechs with wheels built into their legs a-la Code Geass?


9cb09f No.14892127

File: 11465de763cec20⋯.png (135.71 KB, 400x400, 1:1, ZM-S24G_Gedlav_with_Einera….png)

>>14891862

Who doesn't like cute lil Zakus fighting a losing war?

>>14891753

I'm still very conflicted about the idea of not being able to learn EX Skills for use on any part. Not sure how well tying some of them to the inner frames will go. Please Lord don't let this be Gundam Versus again.

>>14891892

I think G in Reco is the hot new thing, featured in most of the latest stuff, plus the latest Super Robot Wars.

>>14892102

They're…OK.


441c14 No.14892135

>>14892102

It'd be a lot cooler if the mechs could quickly transform into spaceships for space combat tbh, like Vikings from Starcraft, or well, Transformers.

>the mechs in Gundam are meant to work on the colonies where gravity is simulated via centrifugal force.

But then why use them to fight instead of a smaller space fighter that's harder to hit? I just can't really see the appeal.

>mechs with wheels built into their legs

You mean with wheels on their feet for going fast? Pretty fucking cool.


385204 No.14892139

>>14891741

It just looks like fucking Overcuck or a worse Mechwarrior Online.

I want a Gundam Battlefield anon, but it's likely never happening.

>>14891753

I just hope it isn't shit


cc6f54 No.14892140

>>14892127

>G in Reco is the hot new thing

Yet thankfully it's not given prominent spots on box art or any other promotional material. Even the Gundam.info site and jewtube channel don't feature it anywhere.


5a19be No.14892152

>>14891882

They were initially built as armor that could be deployed both in space and space colonies, meaning they had to operate both in artificial gravity and zero-g environments. Moving limbs allow them to both walk on land and spin around in space with AMBAC. Plus, you're acting like space is the only battlefield environment in Gundam.


cc6f54 No.14892160

File: 936d54e00235961⋯.gif (1011.02 KB, 500x377, 500:377, zeta transformation.gif)

>>14892135

>It'd be a lot cooler if the mechs could quickly transform into spaceships for space combat tbh

Never heard of Zeta Gundam?


68ab11 No.14892163

File: 320d5022e454c4c⋯.jpg (202.65 KB, 815x466, 815:466, Vnt1YS9.jpg)

>>14892140

Did Tomino get cucked again?


441c14 No.14892182

>>14892152

>you're acting like space is the only battlefield environment in Gundam.

Nah, I'm just a bit confused. I mean if they have the logistics to build mechs and upgrade them for combat, surely they'd have the logistics for a spaceship design that'd cost less and has a smaller silhouette while packing the same weaponry? First thing that comes to mind when I see mechs in space is that they're too big and easy to spot and hit, compared to a space fighter craft.

>>14892160

Now that's some good shit.


cc6f54 No.14892207

>>14892163

G-Reco got cucked by Unicorn. Hard.


5a19be No.14892208

>>14892182

If you're gonna apply the "space ships would be cheaper and more effective" logic to them, then you have to apply the "tanks would be cheaper and more effective" logic, too. You can't just say that mechs are ridiculous in space, then act like there's no problem with them on land.

Plus, again, mobile suits are meant to transition between g and zero-g environments. If they were space ships, you couldn't invade a colony with them.


68ab11 No.14892250

File: 113b82e9220f147⋯.jpg (27.45 KB, 400x203, 400:203, Jetcorebooster2.jpg)

File: d00566b131ba6da⋯.jpg (180.48 KB, 650x627, 650:627, Man-08.jpg)

File: 25d246119bcaaf0⋯.jpg (175.79 KB, 455x363, 455:363, MA-04X_Zakrello.jpg)

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>>14892182

They do, but they can't stand up to a beam saber.


9cb09f No.14892292

>>14892207

Don't forget Full Frontal's plan basically amounted to Make Zeon Great Again (at the Earth's expense) which feels like a kinda weak motivation.


d64884 No.14892310

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>>14892160

The guy has never heard about so many other mobile suits that can do that like the Flag, Methus, Gaza, Gundam Wing, Virgo and many other.

>>14892182

In UC, the Radar was killed by Minovsky particles. This means before that they can sneak up on you. Another reason why fighters fail when confronted with mobile suits is that they are dealing wiht walking flack that can also knife with a beam saber. Another thing why UC space fleets rely on mobile suits is their mobility that let them easily get into the enemy armada and tear it apart. If you have watched the first Gundam TV show, you would have noticed, that the white base has a lot of machine guns while regular Salamis don't have them. Why have they done something as ridiculous as sticking a lot of machine guns into a space vessle? Ware the federation engineers retarded? Well, see for yourself.


68ab11 No.14892314

File: 826a2c4a4e023ec⋯.jpg (83.48 KB, 853x480, 853:480, 1398679581574.jpg)

>>14892292

so basically Char's Zeon 2: Laplace's box edition?


cc6f54 No.14892319

File: d64d01f443b3de6⋯.png (453.69 KB, 544x960, 17:30, zeon.png)

>>14892292

>>14892314

Full Frontal's plan had never been tried before.


9cb09f No.14892325

>>14892314

Yes, only without the intention of helping humanity through very questionable means.


68ab11 No.14892344

>>14892319

Fuck you anon, Gihren did nothing wrong.

Fucking feddie shill, go get colony dropped


c298a8 No.14892371

File: c494834313ac30a⋯.png (141.59 KB, 773x508, 773:508, Shaver-fish-msv.png)

File: aeeb3e17a505d95⋯.png (156.67 KB, 539x312, 539:312, Type61.png)

File: ae948abff344f7a⋯.png (166.65 KB, 349x600, 349:600, Ms-06f.png)

>>14892078

Articulated turrets will also take up some additional volume internally for their mechanisms and moreso externally with the weapons shunted out from the interior of the hull, additional mass, and with the way most space Mobile Armor fight- which is to say, as giant weaponized rocket ship fighters that zoom and boom the fuck out of the enemy- as well as the fact that large scale Minovsky particle beam weapons can generally be redirected just out of the lens in different directions, do not actually add very much versus a fixed mount with a beam redirection arc or a gimbal.

Of course, the 'internal-external volume' part falls apart a bit when space Mobile Armor- like these >>14892250 - also generally have big fuckoff blades or ship-mangling claws to physically shear bits of the enemy off in a pass or grapple, and articulated turrets are hardly so complex or decadent as Newtype guided bits & funnels or their Oldtype INCOM equivalents. But you don't see turrets very often on Mobile Armor because they're not necessary or are supplanted by arrangements that aim even more freely.

>>14892135

>But then why use them to fight instead of a smaller space fighter that's harder to hit? I just can't really see the appeal.

The Earth Federation followed both of these lines of thought to a T. The FF-S3 Sabrefish exemplifies the ethic you described. They got *fucked* as soon as the war started, with their military strength cut to shreds in a week by the Principality of Zeon's Zaku II mobile suits. Somewhere around a half of the earth is occupied in a subsequent ground invasion, in which the Federation's Type 61 battle tanks similarly get their shit fucked up.

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/FF-S3_Saberfish

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/MS-06_Zaku_II

http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Type_61_Tank

The thing about Mobile Suits is that the AMBAC system- their ability to swing their thruster decked limbs around like giant externalized reaction wheels- gives them *bullshit* mobility in space, with dime turns and easy bake thruster-assisted momentum changes, and being a gigantic man-shaped fighting machine with handheld armaments means 'internal volume' is not something you worry about in terms of armament anymore. It has a 120mm automatic cannon; whether this means it has a bore diameter of 120mm or indicates something else entirely and fires a smaller cannon shell, some saying 76mm like a gigantic AK-47, is immaterial. It will also generally have a big fuckoff rocket of some kind that can dump battleship class munitions into a space ship at medium to short range. And it is built out of 'super-hard steel alloy'- Gundam is from the very late '70s, so rolled & cast homogenous armor are still the order of the day with composite armor being obscure if not unknown, essentially a Soviet affair until the West developed Chobham armor, at which point it was transplanted into Gundam and even using that name- which will no-sell most conventional, non-gigantic weapons, which is to say anything short of a couple of MBT shots or guided missiles, until the Earth Federation develops its own mobile suits and anti-MS weapons. This chunky deflective armor arrangement later proves a problem when the Federation gets a leg-up on particle beam weapons, which simply don't give a shit about armor that isn't specifically treated to deflect particle beams, but again, that comes much later.


c298a8 No.14892378

File: ac01517f4bc15b9⋯.png (257.68 KB, 576x792, 8:11, b1525e01e056565ac34a03d513….png)

>>14892371

Your space fighter on the other hand goes very fast in one direction, has a very wide turning radius, and a rather limited armament. It must attack in predictable passes. It has a dozen missiles that are reasonably threatening to Zakus, but are by no means a fire-and-forget lock & kill arrangement because Minovsky Particles fuck unshielded guidance systems, so you're reduced to very analog technology with heavy shielding. Your quad 25mm cannons are worthless doorknockers. Being built like a conventional jet fighter except in space, you are made of so much paper and cannot get hit. You cannot compete in mobility, your speed advantage is narrow, your armaments are shit, and your attack runs are again predictable and suicidal. A Zaku can fill the void with so much high-explosive shot with reasonable accuracy and shrapnel splash that a whole Sabrefish attack run will simply cease to exist, while shooting around like a rocket ballerina and avoiding all enemy ordnance. The Sabrefish was designed for entirely the wrong war, one between conventional space battleships and space fighters, and Mobile Suits counter both hard when acting in a vacuum with no enemy Mobile Suits.

On the ground, the story versus tanks is much the same. Tanks don't have giant external ammunition reserves with automatic feeding guns. Tanks don't have lots of dead space. Tanks don't have armor that can stand up to a ridiculous pounding due to being able to slap more and more on there due to cold fusion power and electrically actuated limbs, versus a diesel engine in a limited space. And even though a ground pounding Zaku can't zip and fly around like a space Zaku can, because gravity is a thing and practical self-powered flying MS develop only well after the OYW, it still has humanoid mobility, and tanks can't sidestep. So a Zaku will march forward, dodge between cumbersome Type 61 fire, and drown them in automatic counterfire.

>>14892319

Colony drops worked. It's hard not to cling to so strong a symbol of defiance and destruction as beating the enemy upside the head with O'Neil colony rods from God. As the gassed colonies were absurd Federation sympathizers and as the entire campaign against the Earth Federation might not have been possible without the nerve gassings- they might have stalled out in Space- and certainly there's little other way to bring the Federation to the bargaining table even if you simply take POWs and shuffle the population from colony to colony after using knockout gas as the Zeonic Marines were told they were doing, I cannot fault any aspect of the original Operation British debacle save that they missed Jaburo.

I would only fault Char's iteration, and that's because beside the fact that Axis would cause a full extinction event and not merely create a very Sydney metropolitan era-sized crater, Char is a psychologically screwed dipshit who did everything wrong. Any atrocity the Zeonists commit, the Federation will usually turn around and emulate at the drop of a hat. Any realpolitikal dickery Zeon gets up to, the Earth Federation was already doing and will continue to do tenfold. The comedically monstrous bureaucracy of the Earth Federation's (((elected government))) and (((political elites))) is more than enough to justify any Zeonic excess, because Zeon if nothing else has actual ideals; whereas the Earth Federation merely has idealists, who more or less always get fucked over and their reforms rolled back, no matter what.


5305d6 No.14892406

>>14891882

The point is they are robots in space.

>>14892127

Where is that Spiral Zone Gundam from?


68ab11 No.14892412

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>>14892406

Victory Gundam


f0cdff No.14892455

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>>14892378

Considered semi canon due to being animated, but a lot of char's reasomning is here. Remmeber he was meant to appear in ZZ and his reasoning for neo zeon would have been explained.

TL;DR is Char saw what happened to Kamille, saw what the EF did when ti came to Haman's Neo Zeon (appeasement) and saw that the EF was outright corrupt and lazy

>>14892412

F91 and Victory show off smaller MS, F91 the XBone Vangaurd's smaller MS essentially shat all over the old Jegan types.

When it comes to Zeon and the OYW, the oriignal idea and what is talked about in things like side stories (take that as you will) is that Zeon didn't have a massive horde of MS, instead they had a sizeable amount and the idea for them was guerilla tactics against key EF installations on earth for a quick victory. However They hit snags (be it times where the EFF held their ground, either through what they had or stolen zakus) and the EF itself was split as the war dragged the two camps were the EFF and the EFSF, the ground forces wanted to prolong the war, use it as a excuse to snap up private companies and bring em under EF control. the EFSF wanted to end the war quickly, Revil was part of those in the EFSF in that he wanted to end the war quick.


c298a8 No.14892523

>>14892455

I'm aware of how he got increasingly jaded in thinking, 'everyone but me sure is a fuckhead.' And yet well before this point he'd been driven into a neurotic quest for revenge by Jimba Ral's all day every day 'the Zabis killed your father! Never forget!' raving, to the point he killed his best and only real friend in Garma Zabi, mostly out of opportunism. Because hey, Garma's there, the White Base is there, he doesn't deserve it but it'll surely stick in the other Zabis' craw, and he definitely wants them dead/revengeanced. That gave him zero closure, of course, instead filling him with a hollowness he'd never shake and evoking some peculiar rationalizations in his later killing of Kycillia, where he says- half mockingly and half bitterly- that he's sending her to be with Garma, before rocketing her in the face. It also has the side effect of mangling Zeon morale and imposing monstrous psychoses and infighting amongst the Zabis, causing severe, rippling negative vibes on the entire war effort, so good job there, Char.

The fact that Degwin actually killing Zeon Deikun rather than this being slander continually see-saws out of canonicity, and even the dubiously accurate Char-o-vision biased Gundam: The Origin reveals that if this was the case it was because Deikun was planning to go to war with the Federation when they still only had a small national guard and no mobile suit trump card against all advisory by Degwin that they needed to play things shrewdly to not get curbstomped, makes Char's entire character one big stupid tragedy of pissing on his own and others' dreams out of spite while continually de and rehumanizing himself.


f0cdff No.14892534

>>14892523

The Jimba Ral thing is more of something from the origin. I'm not a fan of the OVA because its making Char into a bit a a psychopath. Take the raid on the military base they make during training, in the manga char just takes the control tower crew hostage. in the OVA he flat out executes em


68ab11 No.14892613

File: e6b3fcbdec46d02⋯.png (632.68 KB, 1061x1049, 1061:1049, 1391828350074.png)

>>14892534

this is a man who went out of his way to kill Garma out of spite.

Then Creep on a pink haired loli with space autism.

Then fucking dissapear for no reason.

Then Drop an asteroid on earth and then get back on his bullshit and creep on another blue-haired loli with space autism (while he was gettin his dick sucked by his secretary on the side) and the only reason Char went and thotted after the loli in the first place was cus he was nostalgic for that curry vag amuro cockblocked him from.

Char got issues man.




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