684766 No.14862986
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3728646
Is it worth it to get this combo? Mega due for upgrade and finally have money due to new job
$358 for i5-8600k and GB Z370XP
I'm expecting to be told I'm retarded
e35dea No.14862998
get ryzen, intel is gonna be fucked for a few years because they can't shrink their fab process.
210720 No.14863014
783449 No.14863043
>>14862986
>save $25
Nah. 8700K or just go AMD.
d200ce No.14863057
>>14862998
even if they can't ryzen is still inferior in performance, only poorfags care about saving $100 bucks and trade them for inferior performance
e35dea No.14863060
>>14863057
Intel's 10nm fab is the duke nukem forever of CPUs. Enjoy getting the same CPUs for the 4th year in a fucking row holy shit this is bulldozer levels of embarrassing
6abcfe No.14863061
>>14862986
you're not retarded,you're blatantly shilling
fuck off
5625c3 No.14863062
>>14862986
>not getting the 8400 meme for maximizing money
>not just getting a 2nd gen ryzen with the igpu meme
>probably trying to play one (1) modern gay games
>not playing multiple meme games and playing them with your dick
might as well DIE
fc6feb No.14863065
What's the best video card which my ancient Q9550 C1 can handle?
359886 No.14863072
>>14863060
That's entirely irrelevant to the post. Performance is performance.
5625c3 No.14863081
>>14863072
dude making the die of the cpu smaller isn't going to be bing bing wahoo faster, you're going to hit a wall and be stumped when even close to a fucking picometer level, you have to pull out some magical bullshit out of your ass instead of just adding more gay shit by decreasing the gay size
e35dea No.14863086
>>14863072
>Performance is performance.
yeah which is why intel's performance hasn't been improving.
9bbc43 No.14863298
Would you pirate hardware if you could?
783449 No.14863368
>>14863298
I would unironically download a car.
497c17 No.14863541
The last gigabyte motherboard I bought bricked my i5 and their rma service is trash, I'd stay the fuck away from them. The thing with cpus is that if you plan on overclocking them you have to buy a expensive quality motherboard otherwise it'll just die in a couple of years. It's scummy as fuck.
7cb5aa No.14863550
>>14863057
Ryzen is worth it though. You get a very respectable single core performance with more cores to balance it out, its actually a great deal performance per dollar wise
>>14862998
>intel is gonna be fucked for a few years because they can't shrink their fab process.
The launch of their new Arizona fab is being delayed, that's the only thing stopping them. But node size isn't everything, and the difference between 14nm and 10nm is so astronomically small at these scales that we're starting to run into diminishing returns as far as tdp goes.
>>14863060
You can expect performance of newer AMD chips to stagnate about as much now that AMD has caught up. both AMD and Intel are hitting IPC walls because we're starting to see the limits of chip design and manufacturing
ee4c7e No.14863554
>>14862986
Short: No
Long: Get a Ryzen 2600 for $190 or what's not worth since they are almost the same the 2600x for $210. With a good mainboard you should save $60-100 compared to that bundle.
With that saving you could get more DDR4 memory or a better gpu.
Even tho this might be an unpopular optinion i would personally recommend getting the Ryzen 2400G and use the integrated Vega 9 till the gpu prices have normalized or the next generation comes out.
But this depends if you have to upgrade all parts or if you can use some of your old ones that are still good enough and what games you wanna play.
7cb5aa No.14863571
>>14863554
>Even tho this might be an unpopular optinion i would personally recommend getting the Ryzen 2400G and use the integrated Vega 9 till the gpu prices have normalized
That's the opposite of an unpopular opinion, that's pretty much the general consensus since cryptokikes have fucked the market up.
7a0b8a No.14863633
>>14863550
Doesn't AMD still blow compared to Intel for emulator performance?
783449 No.14863662
>>14863633
Not on N64, PS3 or WiiU, but definitely for Dolphin, Saturn, PS1, PS2.
709358 No.14863672
>>14863662
So basically anything that actually uses a cpu then since I imagine you're referring to Beetle PSX with the PS1 addition.
783449 No.14863709
>>14863672
Beetle or mednafen, yeah. N64 does require a beefy CPU with mt angrylion, but it's properly multithreaded so AMD doesn't get shit on with their comparatively weak single thread performance.
c225e2 No.14863752
>>14863554
>Even tho this might be an unpopular optinion i would personally recommend getting the Ryzen 2400G and use the integrated Vega 9 till the gpu prices have normalized or the next generation comes out.
That's the standard retard opinion. The integrated graphics can't play shit, you might as well not have a computer. Don't be a moron, buy a 1060 and set it to mine when you aren't playing. You'll make back $100-200 before crypto crashes, so you basically paid a normal price and didn't have to go without games for a year like a chump.
ac2f65 No.14863877
>>14863065
it looks like a lot of people are pairing it with a 1030 and getting 30-45 fps. I think I used to have a GeForce 9800+ or something when I still had that CPU, and it's a little less than half as powerful as the 1030.
dc846d No.14863905
Get AMD if only for the fact that their processors are competent now And they supported GG and gamers compared to Intel who supported SJWs and games media.
ee4c7e No.14863948
>>14863752
Seems like you haven't read any benchmarks for the Ryzen 2400G. Should've done that before sperging shit out of your mouth.
You can easily run current games in low details and games like CS:GO, League of Faggots, World of Shilling, etc etc on medium to full details in full hd. Also my mistake it has an Vega 11
c225e2 No.14863998
>>14863937
Seems like you are a retard. If someone wanted to play decade old games on low settings they could just grab a dumpster computer for free. A 2400g is shit on by the weakest of video cards like a 1030. You get ~10fps in current games on the lowest settings.
e3b6bf No.14864005
>>14863905
AMD's wink and nod while this was all blowing up was something.
Also don't forget the diversity fund.
I still think its horse shit and believe this is a slush fund for groups who give them shit for not being diverse or x reason they're not progressives
https://archive.li/1QO8q
234bc0 No.14864015
Why is this thread bumplocked?
99bcbb No.14864060
>>14864015
>acknowledges a thread is bumplocked
>sages
47fe01 No.14864129
>>14864060
I'm offtopic
It's common courtesy to do so
1f44ef No.14864667
>>14864005
>Revising existing chipsets
>Founders
57ea25 No.14865060
684766 No.14865146
>>14863043
but that is the 8700k
7e5dfc No.14865169
What happened to the crazy hardware launches like what happened to the ps2 & 3 where you couldn't get the equipment, and people paid out of the ass due to scalpers?
380202 No.14865204
Also, a warning to everybody:
CHECK IF THE MANUFACTURER DOES DRIVERS FOR THE OS YOU HAVE IN MIND
I was cucked into w10, even though I purchased 8.1 compatible hardware, amd fucked me with the gpu drivers.
And cannot use w7 because the cpu doesn't have drivers for 8.1.
Yeah, I know I deserve it for being a retard, but I hope this helps somebody.
4c8b9d No.14865428
>>14865304
Install LFS
>>14865204
He is right though, sounds like a prime example for switching to linux
813dd4 No.14865503
>>14863662
But my FX-8320 does mostly fine with all of those at full HD resolutions (It only freaks out with particle heavy games like Metroid Prime 2 or Persona 3/4). Ryzen CPUs have much stronger single core performance than Bulldozer CPUs so I imagine that the experience would go from mostly good to flawless. Unless you're doing HD texture hacks or something I feel like Ryzen will still give optimal performance for emulators.
b8c23a No.14865541
>hardware thread
>its a thinly veiled tech support thread
Nicely done OP! If we get more threads like this maybe the board finally dies and mark has to step down
783449 No.14865646
>>14865503
There is no mostly fine. Either your CPU can handle every game available with the emulator at 100% speed, or it can't, and an FX-8320 absolutely can't.
59776a No.14865688
>>14865646
There is a mostly fine, quit being retarded. If it plays the games he wants to it's good. If it doesn't but can do some of them, it's alright but due for upgrade.
If you're building for emulation you're gonna end up disappointed because you can get the real hardware and a good back up loading method for much cheaper and a much better experience.
bfc68f No.14865717
>>14865588
Does he have to spam the thread to have a valid opinion contrary to the OP? Calling someone a (1) and done only makes sense if it's an OP, since it's evidence that it's a drive-by shitposter who doesn't care about discussion - or even worse, a mobileposter. Chiming in for one post to state your dissatisfaction with the thread is totally acceptable.
b0ff32 No.14865911
Just doing a beginner's build on a budget. Already have a Frankenstein, so I'm trying to gradually replace what I have.
9a2f62 No.14865992
Firstly, pic related is my current build.
What's the cheapest upgrade I could make that would be substantial?
I mainly make vidya, so FL Studio, and video and image editing. I assume ram would be the cheapest, but not sure how much it would help.
Secondly, what is considered average for a mid range nowadays? I put this together for 600 bucks about four years ago.
44c14b No.14866059
So AMD CPUs are good again? Which is the best to own? It's almost time to build a new right.
bf1ed9 No.14866071
>>14865204
What did you buy gpu-wise? the integrated ryzeng shit or a standalone graphics card?
9bbc43 No.14866082
Are all GPU prices fucked at the moment? All I want is to emulate and play on a stable 60+ and I'm more than willing to compromise on resolution or graphics options to achieve that.
1050 ti seems like a very attractive card but I wonder if it's overkill and if there's something cheaper for someone who doesn't really care about graphics as long as everything doesn't look blurry.
99bcbb No.14866091
>>14866059
>1360x768@60Hz
>GTX 1070
Why?
c3faba No.14866404
>>14866091
My previous monitor shitted the bed for no reason. I'm shopping for one but honestly every single monitor that I read about sound all like trash. It's either I get one with good colors but shit input lag, or one with barely no input lag but shit colors. I'm using a Samsung 32' TV.
f0e283 No.14866757
>>14866082
Prices are still fucked. New cards are supposed to be out in July, so wait if you can.
ee4c7e No.14866996
>>14865911
>1300X
Don't
>2600(x) or 2400G
b0ff32 No.14867008
59776a No.14867023
>>14863550
>You can expect performance of newer AMD chips to stagnate
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4174405-intel-intc-presents-jp-morgan-46th-annual-global-technology-media-communications-conference?page=3
>therefore we’re comfortable with the 14-nanometer roadmap that will give us leadership products in the next 12 to 18 months, as we seek to optimize the cost structure and yields of our 10-nanometer portfolio.
fuck off shill. smaller fab = better performance. AMD has a road forward, Intel doesn't.
5625c3 No.14867062
>>14865911
>g610
>cherry mx browns
lmao
b0ff32 No.14867070
>>14867062
How about instead of acting like an edgy teenager, explain what's wrong with it, so I can adjust my tastes to yours accordingly.
68f130 No.14867084
>>14863554
>>14863905
One thing to notice when getting Ryzen, though, is that it's incredibly picky when it comes to memory. Performance really shoots up when you use really fast memory with a good high frequency / low latency ratio so you better make damn sure you get good sticks.
Vendors don't usually make this information public, so make sure you do your own research and get sticks that come from the good manufacturers and not the crappy ones so that you can set the correct frequency on the BIOS.
5625c3 No.14867100
>>14867070
ok you fuggen fag
First off, logitech keyboards are equipped with really thin fucking abs keycaps with a really disgusting uv coating, that's fucking bad already, the stabilizers (shit like shift, space, etc.) they also provide is rattles more than skeleton, you can't do shit until you lube it, which they don't lube it because lmao 2 pints of cum is too expensive. Cherry MX browns, they're just shit, it's brown for a reason it's shit. The 'tactile' bump is rather small, causing a lot of friction and ends up feeling like worse reds, comparatively to most cherry mx clones and other keyswitches, there are better options.
648e2b No.14867123
>>14863633
singlethreaded performance=intel wins
multithreading = amd wins
What does this mean for gaming? Most games are generally single threaded and multi-threading is merely supported and not taken advantage of. So intel is the choice to go for pure gaming purposes. If you like to multitask or do basically anything else but gaming, AMD is the way to go.
b0ff32 No.14867126
>>14867100
Okay. And next you're gonna show me a 'superior' keyboard that's red and black and has rainbow backlighting in-between and on the keyboards?
The reason why I chose the G610 is because it wasn't offensive to look at, it has basic white backlighting on the key letters, and because I like something between red and blue.
68f130 No.14867141
>>14867123
It's good to point out that this point stands even more so for emulators, specially the ones that aren't particularly coded greatly like PCSX2, since they're so fucking dependent on single threaded performance.
6bd148 No.14867163
what would a reasonable anon with specs like these do? My mobo is not SLI except for crossfire and my card is starting to show its age. But I don't want to spring for a new mobo and then a 2nd card. what do?
5625c3 No.14867198
>>14867126
turn off / customize (there's a reason why it's rgb, retard) the leds, unless you're fucking retarded, retard.
pic1
>pbt keycaps laser-etched
>good topre clone
>nkro as well
>very light linear
pic2
>pbt keycaps dye-subbed
>loud and heavy, clicky and tactile
<min. 2kro
pic3
>shoots laser
>analog or digital
>either linear or clicky
>can adjust actuation point
>lasts forever (you have to die before it dies)
<thin abs keycaps (you have to buy another set of keycaps to replace this garbage)
b0ff32 No.14867226
>>14867198
>posts useful information instead of devolving into a name-calling mess
>sages anyway
Why do this?
Anyway, those look pretty nice, but I'm definitely conscious about the price range. At most, I can got a little over $100, but that's about it.
b0ff32 No.14867248
>>14867198
>>14867226
Oops, forgot to mention, I kinda like my numpad.
9a2f62 No.14867273
>>14867198
>got pic related for 17 bucks
>had it for four years with no problems
I don't really get the concept of spending $100 on a keyboard. I'd compare it to spending $100 on a mouse, but people do that as well.
b0ff32 No.14867284
>>14867273
What's the KRO on it? And can I get a proper name?
5625c3 No.14867303
>>14867226
first keyboard, kinda expensive, around 140usd.
second keyboard, actually cheap, hits below 100 usd.
third keyboard, 130usd. (forgot to mention it's nkro)
If you want a numpad, just buy a numpad.
9a2f62 No.14867327
>>14867284
>What's the KRO on it?
6.
> And can I get a proper name?
Trust eLight Illuminated Keyboard
b0ff32 No.14867419
>>14867303
>paying extra for a numpad
lol no thanks
ee4c7e No.14870977
>>14867008
Because the 1300x is an old processor as fast as the 2400G.
Get the next generation 2400G for a few bucks more or throw $90 more in for the 2600.
578c9c No.14871005
>>14867303
>he doesn't need a numpad that is as good as his main KB
>he doesn't play games that require 104 Keys
>he owns a 70% KB
c8d503 No.14871397
Stealth buyers remorse, GPU-wars and mental meltdown thread
I found a "great combo" a few weeks ago online and bought:
-Old Dual CPU motherboard (server chips) for 100€.
-16Gb DDR3 1333Ghz Ram, for 60€. (Server ram)
-Two overclockable Xeon 3.2Ghz processors, for 35€ a piece.
-2x2Tb hardrives (RAID) + SSD (V-system), for about 140€.
-Everything else needed I had lying around already.
Total loss of money: 370€.
And hopefully I get a fairly powerful cheap-ass-fuck home server.
For the longest time I have wanted to build and run virtual machines at home. This server hardware shit's really cheap now.
Have any of you tried anything like this?
9a2f62 No.14879087
Gentlemen, a question.
Currently, in my PC, I have two 4 GB sticks of RAM, DDR3, 1333, 1.5V.
I have come into possession of an 8GB stick of RAM that's otherwise identical, 1333, 1.5V but it was bought from Aliexpress
I only have two DIMM ports currently, so I thought about replacing one of the sticks with this new one for a slight increase until I can put together a new build.
I've tried this twice, and both times I've had identical results, which are as follows:
>replace one stick of RAM with new one, computer turns on but doesn't output any video
>remove new RAM
>it turns on and asks to configure memory
>do that
>works fine
>try to put in new stick of RAM again
>computer now reboots itself five seconds after turning on automatically
The two attempts were a while apart so I'm not really sure what's up, but both times after I get into the reset loop, I can't get out of it with any order of inserting or removing the new RAM. I assume it's probably just a piece of shit chink product, and that's where the issue lies, but is there anything I could try that could fix this?
Oh, and I tried booting it up with just the 8 gig stick alone, and it doesn't work either.
782000 No.14879252
>getting a nu-processor
Enjoy Windows 10 goy !
I had to replace my MOBO and processor recently and I refused to get a processor that could be used with Windows 10. I dont need Cortana spying on me, I dont need telemetry data being sent to Microshaft, I dont need forced updates ,etc.
I hope Microshafts fuckery brings more people over to Linux and bolsters development for more games being able to run in Linux.
9b4058 No.14879883
>>14879087
You don't have one of those shitty boards that can't support basically infinite RAM, right?
7cb5aa No.14879894
>>14879252
I thought Windows 7 didn't officially support Skylake and that's when Microsoft dropped support? Either way just because Microsoft says Windows 7 isn't supported on newer processors doesn't mean it wont work, it just means for companies Microsoft tech support isn't going to bother when shit goes wrong. There is literally no reason Windows 7 shouldn't work on newer processors, that's just fucking retarded
782000 No.14879937
>>14879894
Oh I know it will work but they wont patch vulnerabilities which are at the processor level and are absolutely detrimental.
I forget the name of the exploit but it would essentially allow a third party to take control of your computer at the hardware level essentially bricking your entire machine.
But no I did research before I bought the 6700k and Microsoft walked back their "no support for Skylake" and extended it till beyond 2020. There are of course third party patches but that is always risky.
350467 No.14879955
>>14862986
>i5-8600k
>buying anything past generation 6 in intel
9a2f62 No.14879956
>>14879883
It's an H81M-E33. Supports a max of 16 gigs, so not great, but that wouldn't explain the problem.
fd8f49 No.14879962
>>14879946
You could install Windows 7 on a PC with 256MB RAM, but this means it will use the HDD to store RAM which will slow thing down quite a bit. They recommend 1GB or more but it should still be able to install. I'd recommend going with linux though, something like Lubuntu or Manjaro might do better as those are quite light.
380202 No.14879971
>>14865992
No shit Sherlock, first purchase should be a better cpu cooler, that 75ºC is alarming.
380202 No.14879980
>>14866071
Specifically:
RX 580 8gb nitro+
i5 6600K
Z170-PRO
sage for doubleposting
fd8f49 No.14879983
>>14865992
As other anons stated, get a better cooler or/and change the cooling paste with something like Arctic Silver.
9b4058 No.14880028
>>14879956
Yeah, next time don't buy possibly faulty shit from chinks. Storage and RAM are the worst to buy unless you really look into it and make sure it's alright, don't even trust amazon sellers. Anon, please don't waste your money on garbage from unknown sellers. Alternatively go dumpster diving at best buy.
16dd25 No.14880056
>>14879980
weird. I have same but still on W7 np.
380202 No.14880106
>>14880056
I can't recall what drivers were giving me a headache, but I do remember that some were available for w8.1, while others for w7.
c3b6b9 No.14881529
>>14862986
I thought the AMD combat crate looked decent for the price, especially when you look at the parts sold separately.
60f9ff No.14881759
600 bucks for vega64
is it worth it? should i wait for for $550
i was considering buying a new system for a year now. but the prices on vega just exploded in that time
9ccf29 No.14881847
Is ultrawide a meme or is it worth me dropping 130 for a 25 inch
b2e8b3 No.14881871
>paying for Jewish Intel hardware
lmaoing @ ur life
59776a No.14881898
>>14881847
These days the only non 16:9 or 16:10 display you should have is a 4:3 or 5:4 one.
c3b6b9 No.14883385
>>14881847
I bought a 25 ultrawide inch LG monitor and now I use it as a vertical reading monitor for 8chan. If you wanna get an ultrawide monitor get at least a 32 inch, or just get a 16:9 or 16:10 monitor.
017979 No.14887754
I've been meaning to get a Vega card, would it be appropiate to get one for 1080p? I want it to last a good while. Nvidia is not an option, I'd rather pick the lesser of two evils. It's for a WIndows VM.
>>14871397
I've been looking into this, but unfortunately cheap used server hardware in Europe is rather scarce. I hope electricity is cheap where you live.
7cb5aa No.14887798
>>14881871
AMD, Intel, IBM, and ARM, all have R&D facilities in Israel
9df931 No.14887849
New Nvidia GPU when
Emulation strong AMD CPU when
7cb5aa No.14887957
>>14887849
I've seen that pic posted countless times over the years, but I just noticed that the skeleton is using two mouses for some reason.
36051f No.14888122
>>14887849
>stuck with a sup 1080p monitor for years
>this is the year, just going to wait for the next Nvidia GPU series and jump straight to 1440p
>months slowly turn into years
Fucking gooks.
2572db No.14888131
What to look for if I want a beefy rig fit enough for emulation?
7ecc86 No.14888197
>>14888122
There's no reason to upgrade beyond 1080p,it's fine.
4d6487 No.14888611
>>14865717
Not to mention that guy had no reason to make another post. Nobody even had time to respond before that other retard jumped in with his forum mentality.
783449 No.14889204
>>14888122
>falling for the 1440p meme and locking yourself into buying flagship cards every 2 years to maintain 60fps at native res
Don't be retarded.
>>14888131
What do you want to emulate?
07cf1d No.14889217
>>14888197
This, unless you have some big-ass monitor you should not have in the first place
98ad6d No.14889419
Would I benefit from overclocking my CPU? What are the drawbacks? How do I overclock (for dummies)?
What are timings and how do I pick ram if I were going to upgrade?
Just simplest explanations and/or opinions would enough for the latter one.
>>14879946
Is this another suicide for dummies thing? What does it do? Except of curing cancer.
>>14867163
>what would a reasonable anon with specs like these do?
>Win10
I would kill myself.
16dd25 No.14890829
>buy a new gpu (omg prices back to normal buy now!) to finish that one game
>absolutely no will to play any more games
hmm I finally get some of you.
8d0d4e No.14890950
>>14889419
>Would I benefit from overclocking my CPU
Yeah
>How do I overclock (for dummies)?
Can't overclock a non K processor, not easily at the very least, I think you can still fiddle with the BCLK on the SB generation but you need a mobo with a separate clock generator for PCIe for it to be of any use iirc which I'm not sure is the case with yours.
>What are timings and how do I pick ram if I were going to upgrade?
Timings are the number of cycles it takes for RAM to execute a specific operation, lower is better but in a way generally so marginal in regular use you shouldn't care about it (except for Ryzen where latency is a big deal)
If you were to upgrade it dpends on wether you have a single stick or a pair of sticks currently, if single pick one with the same or better speed / timings, make them both run at the speed of the lowest rated stick, it has a decent change of not working properly/causing issues in regular use as mismatched sticks often do especially value ram sticks.
If you already have a pair then just get a pair with the same or better speed / timings and run them at the lowest rated speed of the two pairs, it shouldn't cause any issues, that's what I"ve been doing.
783449 No.14891298
>>14890829'
>omg prices back to normal buy now!
Anon 1070s were down to $340 before this kike shit. Prices aren't even back to MSRP yet, and the 11 series cards are coming out within the next 60 days, why the FUCK would anyone buy now?
98ad6d No.14894010
>>14890950
So basically I can't overclock if I don't plan for it at the time of the purchuase, got it.
I probably should have stated what I have now, and thought more before asking the question, since with my setup calling it an upgrade would be misleading.
44c14b No.14899132
Have monitor technology already reached the potential of CRTs? If not, which monitor comes close to CRT quality, especially when it comes to input lag. What is a good keyboard to own that's not expensive but has those nice sounding keys?
bb7747 No.14899188
>>14863057
>Intel buyer's remorse
Sorry man, I'm enjoying all my cores right now. Maybe you will step up from a quad core in a decade or so. I know Intel can do it! Soon! They swear, they want to take care of their goyim from their Israeli HQ. You have Intel's top Israeli engineers working on creating a new CPU architecture!
9de06e No.14899285
Its currently hot as hell and I was wondering what are neat tricks to cool this shit down?
68ac33 No.14900723
>>14899285
Stock up on Enermax Twister / Scythe Ultra Kaze fans or better (Delta / Sanyo Denki are complete overkill, less efficient and basically unusable in practical scenario), get a pair of closed headphones with good isolation, replace all your fans with those.
3d01fb No.14901149
I have an i7 4790k and emulation and newer games are pretty good with it, I just want to upgrade my 780. There are still a few games I'd like to play but after a final GPU purchase, there's zero reason to ever buy another PC. I just remembered new CPUs are only going to support windows 10 so that's the biggest reason.
What kills me about PC hardware is there's absolutely no need to buy a new GPU every 2 years like some faggots do, these games are running on hardware that's nearly a decade old a fucking GPU from 2012 should be able to run every new game. If that were so, Nvidia and AMD would be out of business, shit's fucking dumb.
3b3eca No.14901184
>>14867084
>One thing to notice when getting Ryzen, though, is that it's incredibly picky when it comes to memory
That mostly applies to first gen Ryzen with early BIOS versions.
>Vendors don't usually make this information public
It's called QVL
68ac33 No.14901189
>>14901149
>I just remembered new CPUs are only going to support windows 10
The only unsupported part is that they're not gonna support newer functions of those CPUs, see Ryzen
3b3eca No.14901191
>>14894010
>So basically I can't overclock if I don't plan for it at the time of the purchuase, got it.
Only true if you get Intel.
b1c6e7 No.14901249
Got the gpu for 190 and the ram for 55 back before prices got fucked, probably would have bought an AMD processer to save more if i could redo it.
>>14899132
>good keyboard to own that's not expensive but has those nice sounding keys?
New keyboards are overpriced as fuck, either try to find something used on ebay, or buy some chinese keyboard with knockoff mx blues. Don't pay over $60.
5e3afb No.14901358
>>14870977
>a few bucks more
I think we need to have a serious re-education on what defines a 'few'.
c814b2 No.14905566
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14862986
It all depends, if you are overclocking then for sure 8600k isn't bad option, however if you don't then either go cheapo i5 8400 + B360 motherboard, or go Ryzen 2.
Also memory wise, if you are going for Jewtel, you don't need anything faster than 2666mhz.
However if you are heading for Ryzen 1/2 then get fucking 3200mhz+ sticks for it, you gain nice performance out of that because AMD's CCX interconnect runs at ram clock.
Either right now it doesn't really matter whenever you pick Jewtel 8xxx or AMD Ryzen 1/2, you won't be disappointed in performance of either.
also hooktube related
>>14863554
Ryzen G series are kinda crapola tier since you get reduced pci-e lanes from x16 to x8 and the temperatures are awful because for some retarded reason AMD is doing full Jewtel, gluing IHS onto chip instead of soldering it.
The non-G Ryzens are all soldered tho.
69b116 No.14905579
how much do I need to spend to get a shitbox that can run all games on low/mid settings at stable 60 fps?
c814b2 No.14905594
>>14905579
As much as any entry level pentium g/i3 8100/ryzen 4 core cpu + cheapest mobo + 8gb ram + goyvidia 1050ti would cost.
Yes, such junk setup with 2/4 core cpu is enough for even mid/mid-high grafix 60fps at 1080p.
09aad4 No.14905596
>>14862998
>buy an inferior processor because the company that makes it might produce the superior processor in a few years
I want AMD to be competitive but they just aren't unless you are going for the cheapest of budget builds.
09aad4 No.14905599
c814b2 No.14905601
>>14905596
what are you smoking m8, ryzen isn't fucking fx bulldozer, the performance is largely on par until you test overclocked cpu's because there jewtel can get up to 5ghz and amd ends at 4ghz.
09aad4 No.14905607
>>14905601
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
>inb4 "why single thread, ryzen has over 9000 thread?"
Because 99% of games only use 2 - 4 threads so having 16 doesn't offer any performance increase for gaymen (but is great for encoding).
c814b2 No.14905622
>>14905607
>pseudobenchmark scam site
discarded, how about go to IT portals that test actual hardware rather than botnet Xmark sites?
09aad4 No.14905642
>>14905622
That site you trust has no performance data as far as I can tell. Where can I see something a little more detailed that "Games = 103.4%"?
b2e8b3 No.14905647
>(((x86)))
Enjoy your ME and 16 general purpose instructions.
09aad4 No.14905657
>>14905647
>gaymen on ARM
Have fun with that mobilefag.
c814b2 No.14905658
b2e8b3 No.14905668
>>14905657
Never said you should support ARM too.
>>14905647
Whoops.
*registers
09aad4 No.14905691
>>14905658
Finally found a single core test in your first link, they have improved but are still behind the curve for mid to high tier builds.
09aad4 No.14905696
>>14905668
What CPU do you like then? If you hate x86 then all PC intels and AMDs are out and if you hate ARM I don't know what other options there are.
c814b2 No.14905718
>>14905691
Then look at the game tests again you mongol, single program isn't an oracle of the absolute truth.
Sure you can find a game that likes more intel than amd cpu and vice versa, because cpu architecture specific optimizations are a thing but by average the performance difference isn't higher than 10%.
c814b2 No.14905725
>>14905696
He probably loves Motorola 68000 from 1979, and he should definitely stay with it instead of using modern hardware to access the internet, would be good riddance.
09aad4 No.14905735
>>14905718
>Then look at the game tests again you mongol
I did but the data is worthless, even that pic I posted is worthless, what are those numbers? How are they determined? Are they seriously comparing frame rates in non-CPU intensive games?
While most review sites suffer from this that site seems worse than most. I would like to see CPU test that are based on KPS parts count or ARMA 3 AI count, you know the things that actually matter when you are playing vidya.
09aad4 No.14905737
>>14905735
>>14905718
I should add this is why I put weight in artificial benchmarks, they do what reviewers would if they cared about their job.
c814b2 No.14905758
>>14905737
>>14905735
Then look what they achieved at guru3d with your favorite cinebench r15 with 3200mhz cl14 ram.
It is as I said earlier, you get performance difference only when you take into account overclocked cpu's because then you get intel to 5ghz, while amd ryzen 1 ends at 4ghz and ryzen 2 at 4.2-4.4ghz.
09aad4 No.14905775
>>14905758
I stand corrected, good to see AMD making a comeback.
c814b2 No.14905782
>>14905775
>>14905758
Also from some other side.
Check how it stacks against garbage faildozer FX'es that were shilled so hard on /tech/ by retards.
sauce https://cpugrade.com/articles/cinebench-r15-ipc-comparison-graphs/
09aad4 No.14905810
>>14905782
I still think /tech/ was only shilling them because they wanted AMD to make some money, not because they were good.
>>14905793
>Money isn't an issue
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117836
:^)
c814b2 No.14905833
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14905793
Do you render shit/do anything that needs all those 16 cores/32 threads?
No?
Then go 2700x or 2600x. If you are willing to OC and tweak the cpu yourself you could get non-x variant, you can get back that performance x gives after dicking around with clocks.
Total "da bezt!!!" for gaymz would be still i5 8600k/i7 8700k after delid and 5ghz OC.
Also this hooktube vid should help you.
c814b2 No.14905878
>>14905793
>>14905833
Be just aware to pick ram modules that are confirmed to run well with Ryzen.
Best compatibility and perf if you find sticks that got Samsung B-Die chips on them. Telltale sign of Samsung B-Die are the timings vs frequency, ie if the sticks are at 3200mhz cl 14 or any lower cl, it is B-Die, and it would stack up into higher frequencies in similar way, ie 3466 cl15, 3600 cl16, 3800 cl17~18, 4000 cl19~20.
But that's mostly nitpicking.
6b9d04 No.14905894
>>14905878
Can't stress this enough, I recently built a new mid-range PC with a Ryzen and was getting bluescreens fairly regularly to the point it fried my new SSD during a wangblows update. All because I went for cheap RAM that wasn't fully compatible. fug.
c814b2 No.14905910
>>14905894
Wew, usually Ryzens do not even POST if they get memory that they don't like until you reduce amount of installed sticks to just one.
Did you end up replacing ram with different one or bios update/manually setting lower ram frequency/setting looser timings did the trick?
0f46d8 No.14905930
>>14905782
>4770k that low
Guess it's time to start saving up.
c814b2 No.14905940
>>14905930
It's still fine man, just overclocking the shit out of it and wait until Ryzen 3000/Intel 9000 series.
cd2705 No.14905949
You're getting that $470 no tax 1070ti, right?
0f46d8 No.14905973
>>14905940
I have a lemon of a 4670k, capped at 4.3GHz/1.4v vcore.
c814b2 No.14905998
>>14905973
If you aren't into some 144fps 144hz gayming, or streaming in general, then your cpu is perfectly fine today.
I would recommend you to wait until next year because there will be finally a nice perf boost coming - intel will drop in high frequency 8 core desktop cpu's and amd's ryzen 3000 will have finally clocks above 4ghz, 4.5~5ghz should be obtainable, as well as increase their CCX module cores from 4 to 6 so you will see 10-12 core cpu's at the price of their current 8 core cpus.
0f46d8 No.14906048
>>14905998
>If you aren't into some 144fps 144hz gayming
I'm waiting for Ryzen 3 or whatever they're calling it anyway because I'm poor and don't have a choice. A 6 core processor for like $150 sounds nice.
59776a No.14906055
>>14906048
target 1080p this way you don't have to deal with a detrimental drop in quality because your mid-end machine can't keep up with ever increasing hardware requirements for new releases.
59776a No.14906059
>>14905940
Intel's 9000 series will be a middling improvement, Ryzen 2 however will likely be a notable jump.
c814b2 No.14906061
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14906048
It's not like you have any massive gains to be made just in gayming right now by switching from intel 4th gen haslel to whatever is currently newest.
I mean, people are literally buying first gen i7 xeon's 4-6 core second hand for dirt cheap to get into 60fps gaming on budget and you have already something that's better than those.
c814b2 No.14906074
>>14906059
>Ryzen 2
Zen 2/Ryzen 3000* my man :^)
And no, Jewtel 9000 will make a difference unless Jewtel decides to call Coffe Lake S a 9000 series but that wouldn't make any sense really, I'm talking about generation of cpu's after Coffee Lake/Coffee Lake S
0f46d8 No.14906088
>>14906055
I am. 4k looks nice but I'll wait until I can get a 144hz 4k non-TN monitor for under $200.
>>14906061
>on a budget
Not unless a friend gives you the motherboard. I had a look at that when I was thinking about building my computer and good x58 mobos were going for like $250-300.
59776a No.14906102
>>14906074
see you in two years then.
>>14906088
I wish LCDs weren't pure shit when it comes to scaling. Maybe then we wouldn't have to sacrifice detail to maintain clarity and response time.
c814b2 No.14906104
c814b2 No.14906110
>>14906102
Doesn't matter, jewtel 10nm is a bad joke anyway, they've been delaying it now for like 3 years already.
0f46d8 No.14906116
>>14906104
Those Supermicro boards can't do the Xeon strap overclock if I remember right, but wow that Sabertooth was going for almost $400 a couple years ago.
59776a No.14906124
>>14906110
>Doesn't matter, jewtel 10nm is a bad joke anyway, they've been delaying it now for like 3 years already.
Yeah, and when AMD releases their TSMC 7nm zen2 in 2019 Intel's gonna be toiling away with 10nm in 2019. That's a tremendous weak point there.
68ac33 No.14906145
c814b2 No.14906146
>>14906124
>TSMC
You mean Samsung/GlobalFoundries.
Also you cannot compare Sam/GloFo LPE/LPP FinFET with TSMC FinFET or Jewtel Trigate processes based on "XX nanometers" marketing name of the process.
The actual transistors sizes are nowhere near those numbers and their electric properties are totally different between each semiconductors own process technologies.
59776a No.14906157
>>14906146
No, I mean TSMC. GF will be ready maybe half a year after TSMC, but it'll be TSMC and GF. According to Lisa Su herself.
c814b2 No.14906166
4ca035 No.14918018
A 750ti is great to just stick in 2008-10 ERA workstations without worrying about power consumption or overheating, right? Any other suggestions on light energy cards would be nice.
68ac33 No.14918064
>>14918018
It heats a bit but yeah low power, a 1050 would be the newest equivalent, it does have a fair bit more power than the 750ti though.
If you really don't care about the GPU power but care about power consumption just stick the lowest power recent GPU you can find in it, 1030 or R5 220 for example.
73ca53 No.14918104
>Get a 1440p monitor with gsync
>Have 780ti
>Wont go over 1080p despite posts online saying they are able
>Forever stuck with 1920x1080
I sunk 750$ on the thing, dont know if its the video card or not but its been a pain trying to figure it out.
>Want AMD video card since its better for Linux (duel boot) and a lesser evil
>Want to upgrade my 780ti but Nividia gets worse and worse
>don't want to waste the money I blew the monitor that's great otherwise
WHAT DO I DO?
a3086f No.14918154
>>14918104
not considering the lesser evil point, is better linux video support really that much of a deal? if you're dual booting anyway, just keep your windows botnet for gaming and linux for the gay porn. you already have a good monitor with gsync, i'd stick with nvidia.
or sell that fucker, lose a few dollarinos and get a freesync monitor
68ac33 No.14918176
>>14918104
You're likely using an output that is limited in bandwidth, use the display port. / DVI
3baf06 No.14918194
>>14918104
Realize Linux & AMD are a meme
0cce25 No.14918219
>>14918154
Not exactly. I see it as a sweet bonus.
>>14918176
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06ZXZ3QBD/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_aZsgBb53V3FJY
What I got. Could be the cord it came with doesn't support it. Lotta companies dont package things like this strangley enough.
>>14918194
Bait.
176a6f No.14918227
any guide on how to build your computer? gonna try it for my first time this Saturday..
0cce25 No.14918239
68ac33 No.14918245
>>14918219
>What I got.
Yeah, bandwidth problem, the 780ti only has DP 1.2 which can only handle 1080p @ 144Hz, HDMI/DVI is even worse; so yeah you can't really make use of that screen with that.
In case you're wondering no Nvidia isn't trying to fuck you over on that one, DP 1.3 came after the 780ti released.
Make sure your next card supports DP 1.3 or better.
0cce25 No.14918301
>>14918245
Highly appreciated anon. Wonder when Nividia will release their next line.
68ac33 No.14918313
>>14918301
>Wonder when Nividia will release their next line.
Not for a while, AMD has nothing to show for it and Pascal is actually pretty fucking good for what it is.
0cce25 No.14918392
>>14918313
Been debating on getting a 1080ti or just waiting patiently. 780ti still doesn't do too bad.
68ac33 No.14918417
>>14918392
The 1080ti certainly isn't bad, if you can find it for a reasonable price, mostly depends on how long you can handle your monitor situation.
Also word of advice keep your 780ti around, having an extra card for PhysX games is a very good idea, especially badly done ones that are made to have a card dedicated to it.
7b3f04 No.14918467
is an i3 with a model that runs @3.2 ghz alright? or should i upgrade my whole setup. ill be upgrading gpu and ram this month and im still doubting if it will bottleneck with an i3
0cce25 No.14918475
>>14918417
Wouldn't be a hassle to switch the cards out everytime?
7b3f04 No.14918478
>>14918467
forgot upgrade: probably a 1050ti + 8gb of ram, i want to go radeon but if my i3 still works i dont see the need to change my motherboard
68ac33 No.14918505
>>14918475
Just plug both at the same time and force the 780ti as the PhysX accelerator in the control panel, downside is the power draw will go way up
>>14918467
>>14918478
Yeah should be good, some modern games might struggle with an i3 though and I doubt an i5 is a sane upgrade
ae717d No.14918519
>>14862986
I have an i5 4690k. Maybe get one of those. It seems to work perfectly fine for just about anything.
7e17d9 No.14918521
>>14918104
that ought to hurt
7e17d9 No.14918559
I finally saved enough money to upgrade my old ass I3-3320 CPU to intel I7-8700
what I wasn't expecting was that I had to replace pretty much all of the parts into the "current gen" as well and holy shit everything is so expensive
anyway I fell for nvidia 970 gpu meme before I found out about the 3.5gb meme and I want to prevent that from happening again
how is my upgrade list /v/? should I change anything here?
>ROG STRIX Z370-H GAMING
>HyperX Predator 8GB 3000MHz DDR4 RAM
>Intel Core i7-8700 Coffee Lake 6-Core 3.2 GHz
and a separate fan because I was told 8th gen would melt by itself in summer without a cpu fan
>Cooler Master Hyper 612 ver.2 CPU Air Cooler
I'm just fucking hyped to see how fast the new CPU is going to be
5cdc6c No.14918641
>>14918104
I'm in a similar situation
I have a gtx670 and I don't want to spend $300 on barely improving the performance.
783449 No.14918695
>>14918559
>z series mobo with a non-k cpu
>shitty cooler instead of spending another $20 on a nh-u14s
Anon please.
3e1786 No.14919435
>>14918695
I switched out the fan with nh-u14s and I intended to get the 8700K but I realized I'm not going to overclock my cpu anyway so why not save the money instead and upgrade another part instead
783449 No.14919455
>>14919435
>but I realized I'm not going to overclock my cpu anyway
But that motherboard has "multicore enhancement" which is automatic overclocking, so there's really no reason not to get the K.
055e63 No.14919538
>>14901358
It's around $30 so yeah i call these a few bucks.
Are you some kind of poorfag? :^)
d606be No.14919560
Is liquid cooling a meme?
d5cef7 No.14919621
e6eafd No.14919677
>>14919560
You run the risk of having more points of failure and I've heard people that have their towers on their desk next to them can notice the pump and get irritated by it. Depending on the type of liquid I think you have to replace it every so often or it starts to become less effective but I'm not sure about that. With that said I've been using an all-in-one liquid cooler with my i7-6700K and it's been pretty good. I've got the pump and fans set to quiet and it idles at 23°C and tops out in the mid 60s when I'm rendering with all cores at 100%.
783449 No.14919699
>>14919560
Custom loops are a meme, most AIOs are garbage, but some are great. It's going to come down to whether or not you're willing to spend another $60-$80 for another -10c. At that price, you could ship your CPU to silicon lottery and have them delid it for you which would realistically drop temps -20c if you aren't confident enough to do it yourself.
f40ae7 No.14920934
So is it worth it to upgrade to a Ryzen 5, DDR4, and new motherboard all together? current specs in pic
7ecc86 No.14920948
How do i efficiently clean out my case,what's the best canned air,or should i buy a compressor?
f40ae7 No.14920974
>>14920948
compressors are better, rather than wasting money on canned air, you get the luxury of having something that can get rid of the dust from your Pc no problem. It doesnt even have to be a heavy duty one.
5cdc6c No.14920976
>>14920948
A compressor has virtually unlimited air to run, but it isn't worth getting one to clean up just one computer, if you can find another use for a compressor (ie. bike/car wheels) I'd go for a small one.
0bfa06 No.14921021
>>14918301
Post the whole image.
783449 No.14921101
7ecc86 No.14921341
>>14920974
>>14920976
Any you'd recommend that are cheap?
>>14921101
That looks odd
c814b2 No.14922019
>>14920934
>FX garbage
Yes, anything is better than this garbage, m8.
You can expect about 50-60% gains in single threaded workloads and about x2 in multi threaded workloads after switching to R5 1600/2600.
078228 No.14922713
I just want winblows to stop clogging their system with bloat of everything under the sun
fc97df No.14925675
my dudes can you tell me if I'm on the right track here or if I'm going full retard? btw the RAM should be $20 less once it goes on sale probably in a few weeks which I would wait for
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CcYHWD
e37fc7 No.14925998
>>14879966
rated and checked
ad5078 No.14926046
>>14925835
Don't be lazy with the cable management, I will be checking
0f13b9 No.14926616
>>14925675
>RAM costs more than GPU and CPU combined
lmao
>Mainboard
The X370/470 is the enthusiast level chipset, the budget one is the B350. Not saying it's not bad to buy a good mainboard, but if you're buying that CPU/APU i assume budget is tight. Also check out the compatibility warning about it requiring another CPU to update its BIOS first, research that before pulling the trigger.
>RAM
8GB is enough for just games and would fit the budget better. It's also the easiest to upgrade, you just buy an additional stick later if you need more, and hope that prices drop in the meantime.
>Ryzen 2400G
Once you picked different options for the mainboard and RAM, budget is freed up. The 2400Gs iGPU is about on the level of the GT 1030. You could consider buying a low-tier normal Ryzen, and going with a 1050 or 1050 Ti. The 1050 is 70% faster, the 1050 Ti is 92% faster:
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU/3649vsm401440
2fb8bf No.14926627
2fb8bf No.14926630
>>14905833
Thank you as well, I'm going to wait for the new threadripper.
fc97df No.14926653
>>14926616
Yeah, after reading some of this thread, I'm thinking of getting an actual graphics card instead of the 2400G meme. The reason why I was looking at that motherboard was because it was the cheapest that's supposed to be compatible with that RAM, and I picked that ram because I read the 2400G needed 16GB of as fast as possible RAM to function well.
So probably I will get one of the non-G Ryzen 5's, some 1050 or 1060 GPU, a B350 mobo and 8GB RAM. Definitely set me back in the building process but I'd rather spend more time researching and get a better result. Thanks for the input.
413a8f No.14926661
I just shelled out $40 for a M510 because it was the only 6-button mouse at the store with a side-scrolling wheel.
0f13b9 No.14926669
>>14926653
Much better choice anon, have fun with it
8c03c6 No.14926674
>>14926661
>he doesn't scroll by holding a modifier button and moving the cursor
Can you only scroll vertically as well?
7ecc86 No.14926754
I guess i should have asked what do you guys personally use,the compressor or canned air,and if so what brand.
783449 No.14927305
>>14926754
I've always used canned air because I could expense it, so I'd just go down to staples and pick up whatever bulk pack was on the shelves and give zero fucks about the price.
Since that's no longer an option, I'll probably buy one of those little electric blowers.
746ff1 No.14927309
>>14926661
>Shelled out
>He thinks less than an hours work is """""shelling out.""""
7ecc86 No.14927332
>>14927305
Your staples close down?
2fb8bf No.14927334
>>14927309
Speaking of actually shelling out. I'm going to get these soon.
https://empireears.com/collections/x-line/products/legend-x-custom-in-ear-monitor
I'm just waiting on the new nvidia gpu, since it's uncertain if they're going to get scalped for crypto money.
7ecc86 No.14927358
>>14921101
Yeah alright,i'm buying this to get my case cleared out and hopefully improve performance,since nobody seems to know any alternatives,hope it's not a waste.
413a8f No.14927729
>>14926674
Modifier buttons suck and having two extra buttons on my mouse for whatever I want is fucking great. I can map them to whatever input I want and use them in any game.
d82263 No.14927736
>>14927334
Que puto asco con esos memes de facebook
783449 No.14927761
>>14927332
No, but I can't expense office supplies anymore and get free shit.
58ffad No.14927940
>>14926661
>M510 mouse
>$40
Anon, I think you want to get a refund. Also while having a two side buttons is nice it isn't worth 40 bucks. Even 20 bucks "gaming mice" from china have them now. Also
>6-buttons
The one im looking at is has 5 not 6. Are you sure you're talking about the logitech m510 and not some other mouse.
a9b636 No.14928430
Any good videos on how to build a PC, putting the parts togeather?
0f46d8 No.14928545
>>14928430
I'm sure there's hundreds on youtube but it's not hard. Just read the directions and follow them well.
7ecc86 No.14928558
>>14928545
Or get somebody who's labor or tool savy that you trust to do it.
783449 No.14928570
>>14927358
4.7/5 stars, A rating on fakespot, so those aren't shill reviews. Chances are it's good to go, and it's fulfilled by Amazon so at worst you'll fuck around with it for <30 days and then return it on their dime for a full refund.
7ecc86 No.14928576
b2e8b3 No.14928579
>>14887798
So does the US Army. Depends who cooperates with Israel more, and Intel has a monopoly on bending backwards for kikes.
413a8f No.14928589
>>14927940
>>Anon, I think you want to get a refund. Also while having a two side buttons is nice it isn't worth 40 bucks. Even 20 bucks "gaming mice" from china have them now. Also
Yeah, I fucked up. But on the other hand I supported a business that isn't Amazon so whatever.
>The one im looking at is has 5 not 6. Are you sure you're talking about the logitech m510 and not some other mouse.
Right again; I fucked that up too. I was thinking of other mice I looked at. I'm kind of out of it today.
783449 No.14928594
>>14928576
Review analysis site, runs reviews through a filter and is pretty good at spotting the bot reviews. Has stopped me from making quite a few bad purchases that looked great at the time until it showed they had 90%+ fake positive reviews.
424d13 No.14929445
What do you brehs think about this build so far? Any problems, any critique? Should I go for a 1060 instead, and is mining with 1050 or 1060 worthwhile? Is it a big deal that the RAM is single channel (I've heard dual channel is much better with Ryzen)? Also, any recommendations for a case, I'm lost on that one.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dbf2xG
b1b912 No.14930503
>want to get into the vr meme
>have a decent rig that isn't quite good enough to run it
>already well beyond anything else I use it for
>gtx 1060 is about 250 USD
>will also need a new PSU which is another 150+
>plus the vr kit itself which is 969 NZD for vive or 200 USD for windows mixed reality
>plus import tax and shipping it's looking to be over 700 USD (~1k+ NZD) for this one meme
>windows mixed reality is win10 exclusive so will also have to deal with that shit
>might buy a whole harddrive and run win10 on that exclusively for vr but that's another 100 or so bucks
>total price just for the upgrade to play vr is about the same I spent on my current rig and peripherals
>still really want to get in on this shit
>but at the same time know it's all just for the ability to virtually rape and be raped
How long should I / do I have to wait for the price of cards to drop?
Though now that I think about it, how much would I be willing to actually spend on this? Even 800 sounds too high. If it was just the headset at 200 with nothing else to worry about I'd be on it in a heartbeat. 500 maybe? It's all these additional costs that are really bugging me - the need for a new PSU to get the graphics card to run, win10, shipping, import tax, currency conversions… probably a tonne more shit I don't even know about that's just rubbing its hands at the thought of swindling an extra hundred off me.
logicalincrements has been a huge help in researching these costs and comparisons in case anyone doesn't already know about it.
259319 No.14930899
>>14930409
so no 'cause the cards are too cheap? that's fine I was just wondering. but what about the build as a whole? any problems or critique?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dbf2xG
c8d599 No.14931103
>tfw poorfag
>need a new rig, my current one is ten years old
>fuck jewtel, they've gotten the last shekel out of me because of their faggotry
>use pcpartpicker and logical increments to try to get a decent combo that could work
>don't spend over $200 on any of the major parts and it's still too much
>even running off the old standard of get a high-range mobo and mid-low range everything else to eventually upgrade
>still too fucking much
I swear I exist to be bullied eternally by whatever malignant god presides over prebuilts and those bitminer niggers are the high priests.
bdd135 No.14931179
>>14931103
start camwhoring for old men anon and find sugar daddies to pay for your rig
that's how I saved enough money to get an high end rig at the cost of my dignity and soul but I regret nothing since it freed me from my 8 year old system
017979 No.14931233
If I play slightly older games, not a lot of new games, would it be worth it to get a Vega 56 over an RX 580 for 1080p at 60 Hz?
cc2136 No.14931245
>>14930503
Don't do it. You'll regret it. Buy a big HDR TV and thank yourself for thinking rationally.
47d480 No.14935933
>>14931233
You're better off with an RX 580, as long as it's less than $250 for an 8GB, or ~$200 for 4GB. Waiting for Black Friday helps. I got an 8GB Powercolor RX 580 for less than $200 (with a discount), though it gets warm. A Vega 56 is best for 1440p. MSRP is around $400, but that won't happen unless there's newer Radeon GPUs released.
0f13b9 No.14936091
>>14931233
>>14935933
Go with the Nvidia cards at the same level unless you have a good reason to use AMD specifically, they perform better, are more optimized for, have much lower TDP and the lower end models like the 1060 have been raped less by cryptoniggers.
2fb8bf No.14936301
>>14927736
El que se enoja pierde, simio.
47d480 No.14936395
>>14936091
Does this include older cards like the 980 Ti? They're getting cheap on eBay.
0f13b9 No.14936456
>>14936395
Yes, but the leap from the 900 to the 1000 series was comparatively large, check out performance differences at a site like this:
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/3439vs3609
0f13b9 No.14936504
>>14936395
>>14936456
Double post, don't forget that reference cards like the one in your screenshot have shit cooling, and that used GPUs are a bit of a risk to buy. It's pretty likely nowadays that it has been used for mining which will significantly reduce lifespan, even more if it hasn't been cooled enough
8406ba No.14937053
I want to buy a 1050 as an upgrade to 750 Ti.
How much am I fucking up as a poorfag?
0f13b9 No.14937168
>>14937053
>1050 as an upgrade to 750Ti
50-58% faster.
>how much am i fucking up as a poorfag?
Just check out benchmarks for games that you play, if they are not satisfactory, buy a better card. Buy cheap, buy twice.
8406ba No.14937182
>>14937168
>Buy cheap, buy twice.
I only have one slot though
2fb8bf No.14937205
>>14937182
That's what she said ha ha
58ffad No.14937302
>>14937205
Then I would say she is a
>she
0f13b9 No.14937431
>>14937182
Twice as in you upgrade again later on. SLI is a meme, and nowadays a pretty dead one
b1b912 No.14937442
>>14931245
>TV
I haven't watched tv in almost 8 years. Occasionally I get some recommendation to watch whatever and give it the customary 3 episodes before I decide if it's worth continuing to watch. 8 years of nothing good and counting. I don't know how anyone can stand having 5 minutes of ads shoved down their throat every 10-15 minutes while trying to watch something either. I can't even comprehend what kind of mindless gremlin even watches tv these days.
8406ba No.14937503
>>14937431
well I'd have to wait for the cryptocurrency fad to die off before prices on higher end gpus go back to normal.
783449 No.14937888
>>14937053
Buying any GPU right now is a bad idea with the 11 series on the horizon, and the 1050 ti is equivalent to a 6 year old 670.
017979 No.14937922
>>14935933
>>14936091
I don't want to support Nvidia, they are greedy fucks which expect everyone to bend to their will. The card's going to be passed through to a Windows 10 VM, on a Linux host. I live in Europe, the 580 is priced at around 300 euros. Still quite expensive.
bb7747 No.14938023
>>14937888
How does it feel to be retarded?
https://archive.is/cYqbw
>>14936395
Nvidia cards have bad resale value because Nvidia intentionally slows down old cards with the drivers.
https://archive.is/PyTBb
>>14936091
>more optimized for
Nvidia is known to just fuck up games if the fuck up hurts AMD more. Just because it's been "optimized" and it runs better on Nvidia, doesn't mean it's an actual optimization. Here we see an NVidia title that sabotages the game, but Nvidia could deal with the sabotage better than AMD, which made AMD look worse.
https://archive.is/ho3BK
8406ba No.14938025
>>14937888
and will I be able to buy a decent 11 series gpu under $200, mr. tripsman?
783449 No.14938128
>>14938023
>AMD marketer blows a gasket and doesn't even try to be subtle
I love it, please give me more.
bb7747 No.14938185
>>14938128
AMD is still pretty shitty but Nvidia is maliciously shitty. The fact that you're spreading outright lies about 11 series being right around the corner is bullshit, specially when someone calls you out on being completely wrong and you start crying shill. That's some serious kike behavior.
783449 No.14938231
>>14938185
>AMD is still pretty shitty
>but 100% of my posts are shitting on intel and nvidia
Hmm, I wonder (((who))) could be behind this?
>he fact that you're spreading outright lies about 11 series being right around the corner is bullshit
Interesting, I wasn't aware I said it was "right around the corner", I said, and I quote, "Buying any GPU right now is a bad idea with the 11 series on the horizon", and with jensen's comment, industry insiders are putting the release in Q4 and there is no information to contradict that. We're currently in Q3, and Q4 is certainly on the horizon.
Nice try, marketer-kun. Next time try to blend in and make several posts answering questions or discussing tech in general, and then subtly ease into the marketing shit instead of viciously attacking Intel and Nvidia right off the bat and getting absolutely furious when someone contradicts you.
783449 No.14938251
>>14938231
We're about to be in Q3*
Polite sage.
7cb5aa No.14938269
>>14938023
>This retard again
One of your archives is a forum link you know?
752655 No.14938340
0f13b9 No.14938357
>>14937922
>>14938023
>Nvidia vs AMD flamewar breaking out
I know all about Gameworks jewry and the tesselation sabotage, still from a consumer standpoint i don't think this justifies buying AMD cards right now. With CPUs its a different story because AMD manages to make respectable CPUs nowadays, but the Radeon RX series (and earlier) really is the FX-series of GPUs. It's a complete piece of shit. Essentially they are still desperately overclocking the R9 200 series. The RX 580 has a conservatively estimated TDP of 185W, and the 45% faster GTX 1070 has a TDP of 150W. AMD can't compete in the GPU market and everybody knows it.
>>14938340
Looking good from a first glance
0f46d8 No.14938373
>>14938340
>400 euros for a 6gb 1060
Holy shit you fags are getting screwed, you can get a 1070ti for that much in the US.
Looks fine otherwise
483603 No.14938387
ae398f No.14938415
Question ?
New fag here , building a PC soon . Ryzen or Intel ??
752655 No.14938420
>>14938373
I bought it at 388€, 6ish hours ago it was at 366, now 394 apparently. Dunno what the fuck is going on. I really wish we had those ameritard prices.
0f13b9 No.14938494
>>14938415
>Question ?
Crawl back to whatever hole you came from
>>14938420
>Dunno what the fuck is going on
Taxes, fellow yuropoor
4a382f No.14938593
>>14938415
ryzen threadripper 2.
32 black dick cores is all u need.
483603 No.14938782
>>14938387
I never get (you)'s. /v/ pls is this retarded or nah?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LN8XRJ
8406ba No.14938864
>>14938782
>100 bucks on a case
>450GB SSD
other than that, looks almost identical to what I have right now
0f13b9 No.14938892
>>14938782
I think the 2300X was announced recently, against what was earlier said about skipping it this time, so you might wanna wait a bit with that CPU
4a382f No.14938897
>>14938782
no point in getting a solid state drive with a build like that.
get a slightly better cpu instead and get a normal hard drive.
try and find an 60-80 dollar case also but it seems fine regardless.
0f46d8 No.14938915
>>14938782
>$975 and you end up with a last generation four core processor and a 1060
The GN246HL is also the worst 144hz monitor available.
0f13b9 No.14938944
>>14938782
>>14938897
Don't listen to this retard, SSDs are the single most noticeable performance factor in any PC, even more so if its running Windows. Buying a PC in the current year with an HDD is just laughable, it becomes painfully absurd if you're spending 1k$.
483603 No.14938958
>>14938864
The case was actually $75, idk why they don't update it, there's a sale. It looks nice and some guy said his test indicated it's pretty decent on temperature with the stock fans and they're not loud
>>14938892
>2300X
never heard of but thank you things like this are why I asked
>>14938897
>no point in getting a solid state drive with a build like that.
why not? just to make shit load faster, I needed a new storage device and I have a 1TB external for mass storage of music etc. 240G seems like nothing and 480G was only $95
>>14938915
yeah I have no idea about monitors, what might you recommend? 1080p 144hz
0f46d8 No.14938973
>>14938958
I don't know anything about non-freesync monitors tbh, check out pcmonitors.info
8406ba No.14938977
>>14938944
nigger, the only reason to buy an SSD now is to install your OS onto it and maybe some game you'd like to load faster. If you're using it as the main storage unit, you're robbing yourself of money. Get a 120-240GB SSD and a giant ass HDD for a quarter of the cost.
>>14938782
The GPU really is going to get bottlenecked though, you're unlikely to run anything that would strain it without burning the rest of your system.
009bb5 No.14938991
Is the Samsung CFG70 a good monitor for 1080p 144Hz?
4a382f No.14939000
>>14938958
>>14938944
DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE TWO JEW-NIGGERS.
THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON TO HAVE AN SSD WHEN YOUR CPU/RAM IS BOTTLENECKING YOUR GPU
483603 No.14939006
>>14938977
>The GPU really is going to get bottlenecked though, you're unlikely to run anything that would strain it without burning the rest of your system.
>>14939000
>THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON TO HAVE AN SSD WHEN YOUR CPU/RAM IS BOTTLENECKING YOUR GPU
So I should get a better CPU. Do you think that the upcoming 2300X or 2500X would be a good match for the 1060 GPU? And what's wrong with the RAM?
4a382f No.14939019
>>14939006
get a better cpu for sure.
you NEED 16 GIGS NO MATTER WHAT.
the OS itself uses a good amount of ram, you would probably only be left with 4-5 gigs after microkike takes their cut of your memory.
a lot of games use a fair amount of ram as well, it will bottleneck you HARD
0f46d8 No.14939044
>>14939000
You'll only notice a CPU bottleneck when you're running your system at 100% load but you'll notice an SSD no matter what you're doing.
>>14939006
Ryzen really wants fast RAM, like 3000-3200, because it uses the RAM timing to also time a lot of stuff inside the CPU.
>>14939019
8GB is fine as long as you're not trying to leave 100 Firefox tabs open while you're playing games t. used 8GB until pretty recently
4a382f No.14939062
>>14939044
>You'll only notice a CPU bottleneck when you're running your system at 100% load but you'll notice an SSD no matter what you're doing.
this is a big jewish lie.
ssd will only improve load times a little bit, almost all games load everything they need right away into the ram which is why you need 16 gigs for sure.
DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS JEW, HIS LIST OF LIES IS LONGER THAN HIS NOSE
0f46d8 No.14939118
>>14939062
A SSD makes everything you do with a computer faster and smoother. I can tell Jewish lies on the internet so much faster than I could before.
4a382f No.14939126
>>14939118
and none of it matters if your cpu/ram bottlenecks your game at 20 fps.
go take your kike bullshit right back up your own ass.
0f46d8 No.14939143
>>14939126
What game is a 1300x + 1060 going to bottleneck at 20 fps? Post benchmarks, there's plenty of them out there.
e206cc No.14939170
I'm 483603 btw
>>14939044
>Ryzen really wants fast RAM, like 3000-3200
yeah ik but it's very expensive rn and it's hard to find a reasonably priced motherboard that can support it. The one I picked is ddr4-2400 dual channel 14-16-16, which doesn't seem that bad to me. Maybe I could OC it to 2666
>>14939062
>ssd will only improve load times a little bit, almost all games load everything they need right away into the ram which is why you need 16 gigs for sure.
What about boot times though? My current computer takes like 5 minutes to not be slow as hell after I turn it on and log in. I think the ~$50 difference between HDD and SDD is worth it for that alone.
>>14939126
I'm definitely gonna get a better CPU but idk about the ram
4a382f No.14939181
>>14939170
>What about boot times though? My current computer takes like 5 minutes to not be slow as hell after I turn it on and log in. I think the ~$50 difference between HDD and SDD is worth it for that alone.
boot time is like 20 seconds with a regular hard drive, 10 seconds otherwise.
>I'm definitely gonna get a better CPU but idk about the ram
get the ram before you get a better cpu. you seriously underestimate just how many resources windows 10 uses.
8406ba No.14939229
>>14939019
>NEED
"need" is a strong word
"recommended if you're going to play unoptimized crap" is more suitable, 8 is what you NEED to run winblows and something else at the same time without any interruption.
4a382f No.14939247
>>14939229
>build gaming pc
>cant run games
you NEED 16 gigs for a gaming pc if you wish to actually play games on it and that includes unoptimized crap.
e206cc No.14939266
>>14939181
>get the ram before you get a better cpu. you seriously underestimate just how many resources windows 10 uses.
any RAM in particular you'd recommend, then? and what speed should I get? keep in mind it has to be compatible with the motherboard. I picked the one I did because it's 1x8gb, ddr4-2400, dual channel, 14-16-16 and compatible with the motherboard for $80. ram prices are pretty disgusting rn, the one I really wanted was the Gskill flarex 3200 2x8gb, but it would be $220 on sale and the compatible motherboards are mostly X370 and expensive.
on the bright side I see no complaints about the motherboard and power supply, so I did something right
8406ba No.14939279
>>14939247
>spend thousands of dollars to play shit
wew
4a382f No.14939326
>>14939266
just regular ddr4-2400, it's all the same shit.
dont get anything faster than stock speed unless the price is the same.
0f13b9 No.14939501
>>14939229
>>14939181
>>14939170
>>14939143
>>14939126
>>14939118
>>14939062
>>14939044
>>14939006
>>14939000
>budget subnotebooks at 399$ are laughed out of the room if they don't have an SSD nowadays
>some anon is actually getting talked into not getting an SSD for his new 1,000$+ PC
0f46d8 No.14939548
>>14939326
>recommending 2400MHz RAM to someone with a Ryzen processor
You fucking illiterate.
8406ba No.14939575
>>14939501
He should get an SSD, just not a 450GB one
7ecc86 No.14939582
>>14939575
Agreed,120 or something small like that
c292f3 No.14939590
>>14938782
Fuck are you getting a 144hz monitor for with that build? Lemme raise you what I'm building right now (bunch of stuff I already have from older AM3 build along with a R9 390, so not getting the GPU personally) - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DGXdbX
e206cc No.14939697
>>14939590
not the monitor in the link, somebody said it sucked, but yeah I would be looking for 1080p 144hz, not a priority rn though, maybe wait til black friday
hmm, I might steal a lot of your ideas. $175 for 16gb 3200 isn't bad at all, I was expecting to have to pay over $200 for that. and in one stick? wew. you might not want to buy anything from (((B&H))) though 'cause they're literal orthodox jews from manhattan.
glad I asked /v/ so as to not make retard decisions with my hard earned shekels, I was feeling rushed because a lot of the things I was looking at are on sales that will end soon, but apparently most of it sucks anyway so nbd
8406ba No.14939746
>>14939697
be sure to ask /tech/ in their consumer advice general for second opinion
c292f3 No.14939812
>>14939697
Or you could get a good 60hz monitor (personally using Asus VX229 I got for 130 USD, shit is solid). I'm going for as small a form factor I can get away with, and the PSU is holdover from current build so no issues on that count.
7ecc86 No.14939848
>>14939697
You do NOT need 3200
c292f3 No.14939863
>>14939848
Yes you fucking do, the Ryzen processors shit themselves on lower end buses.
7ecc86 No.14939876
>>14939863
Do you have a source to back that up?
0f13b9 No.14939913
>>14939876
Not that anon, everyone knows this shit. You don't seem like the guy that should be giving out advice in a hardware thread
c292f3 No.14939929
>>14939876
Do your own research, or if too lazy see >>14905566
7ecc86 No.14939952
>>14939913
Hmm,maybe not about ryzen at least,my bad.
a40a8a No.14940195
>>14939812
I already have a 60Hz 1440x900. If I'm gonna get an expensive GPU etc. then I'm gonna want a nice 120 or 144hz monitor to take advantage of it
>>14939848
eh I kinda want it and it's not that much more expensive than slower speeds, it's just ram in general that's expensive af, even the 2133 is insane
>>14939590
I cancelled all my shit so I can start over. Definitely gonna wait for the new Ryzen processors to come out and also for 1060 GPU's to hopefully drop another $20 or so. But one question for your build: I looked at the QVL list for the motherboard and it doesn't say that it supports that ram. Have you taken this into consideration?
cd5dae No.14940273
>>14938991
Go for the newer 73 one, the 70 has the purple shapes disease.
c292f3 No.14940922
>>14940195
Just manufacturer being antsy with micro ATX boards. I have it on good authority it works just fine.