c75f54 No.14818842
What went wrong? 1 was pretty great, all they had to do is remake it but with better non-lethal options.
b77b52 No.14818848
>What went wrong?
They forgot to spell it Dishonoured 2 like an actual human being.
adfbd2 No.14818866
For some reason Zenimax thinks people actually give a shit about any game they release other than Fallout and Skyrim so they hyped it up and gave it the typical AAA shitshow treatment. Now the original wasn't exactly some genius work of art or anything but it was at least someone trying to release something that wasn't a pointless sequel.
802c05 No.14818896
>>14818842
SJWs infiltrated Arkane and ruined it. That's why they added the ability to play as Emily for no good reason.
c75f54 No.14818919
>>14818866
I like the first one actually. It reminded me a lot of Thief but with more up-to-date gameplay.
750731 No.14818932
I have absloutelly no interest in playing the second one, even though I liked the first one a lot. Does the sentient fridge (pic related) does the voice acting for the female character ?
393ed8 No.14818968
It went to shit when they made Emily into a dyke so they can appeal the SJWs
1333b6 No.14818969
>>14818842
>1 was pretty great
No it wasn't, it was hot garbage with shit gameplay and an even shittier "story". Even Arkane knew it was garbage which is why they had so little faith in it selling. It was basically just something they whipped up quickly to justify Bethesda's investment and had the bare minimum of effort put into it.
The fact that retards lapped it up doesn't make it good, it just once again proves that normalfags have shit taste.
b77b52 No.14818977
>>14818969
>meme spacing
>shit opinion
Checks out.
1333b6 No.14818997
>>14818977
Nice try, Reddit.
b77b52 No.14819107
>>14818997
Not an argument.
2a27aa No.14819129
>>14818842
Nothing. It's another game /v/ pre-judged because of muh sjws when in reality it's just Dishonored 1 with more variety.
b6ccac No.14819236
>>14818842
It's great actually almost as good as the DLC in 1.
a2e902 No.14819243
>>14818842
And that's exactly what they did?
547e15 No.14819249
fbff3c No.14819266
>>14819129
Not to mention the fact that /v/ always complains about ugly women in western vidya, meanwhile Emily is the cutest girl since Elizabeth.
848465 No.14819282
>1 was pretty great, all they had to do is remake it but with better non-lethal options
Non lethal was a bore and adding more ways to be non lethal would not have fixed it. Felt like they tried shoving you into playing sneaky when charging and killing was much more rewarding.
2a27aa No.14819285
>>14819266
That too. I fully expect both Dishonored and Dishonored 2 will become classics in /v/'s eyes in about 5 years time. The same thing happened with Crysis.
f67a57 No.14819293
>>14819285
Happens with almost every game honestly. Halo is pretty much there.
fbff3c No.14819319
>>14819285
Why? How was Crysis considered before its current regard?
>>14819293
I had this thread from /games/ on 4chan before moot dropped text-only boards, from way back in 2004, with people hoping Halo 2 would be ported to PC, and I fucking hate you revisionists changing /v/'s regard for Halo.
b0a806 No.14819347
>>14818842
I love Dishonored 1 and am thinking about acquring Dishonored 2. I did hear a review that had some complaints but I watched a play through and it seems fun. What were your exact complaints about it?
65441f No.14819368
>>14819347
My personal complaints have to do with the severe lack of difficulty. The teleportation alone breaks the whole game turning it into a joke. Then we start bringing in all the other abilities and nothing in the game can stop you.
The Child invincibility in 1 also removes any tension that could have been present in the final scene. Having a chance to shoot the kid would have ramped the stakes much higher than the interactive cutscene we got instead.
1333b6 No.14819374
>>14819107
>tries to call me reddit
>when reddit adores this shit
>gets defensive when called out
Whatever you say.
848465 No.14819378
>>14819368
You can just not do anything and Emily falls to her death.
2a27aa No.14819382
>>14819319
>Why? How was Crysis considered before its current regard?
As only a benchmark rather than as a good game.
1333b6 No.14819386
>>14819319
He's lying. Crysis was always relatively well-regarded on /v/. This is just an influx of newfags and redditors trying to push their shit taste.
e432ce No.14819392
Dishonored 1 was the shit but I just never had any interest in playing Dishonored 2. The story is done, there's no need for a continuation. Dishonored 1 was a fantastic revenge story. It was self-contained and was just long enough to be satisfying.
65441f No.14819415
>>14819378
You're missing the point, the Child invincibility means I don't have to aim my pistol to save Emily from Death. I can literally shoot through her and suffer no consequences.
I even stacked explosives right next to the both of them and used time stop to fire all my ammo at the pair. Still nothing happened to Emily.
Why should a player bother to aim? Thanks to child invincibility, he can spray and pray in an orphanage to save them from a hostage situation. He could collapse the entire orphanage and the kids will still make it out alive.
Child Invincibility is a cancer to gameplay and a slippery slope to essential characters being invincible.
b0a806 No.14819428
>>14819415
Child invincibility pisses me off in Skyrim too. They're not real children they're pixels on a screen, bethesda needs to chill.
b0a806 No.14819434
>>14819415
Essential characters is annoying to, regarding Skyrim again. I want to murder Maven Blackbriar so bad
750731 No.14819439
>>14819249
Come on anon, don't say you wouldn't ?
8bd2f3 No.14819655
>>14818842
> What went wrong? 1 was pretty great, all they had to do is remake it but with better non-lethal options.
Forced diversity and muh ebil white people.
In short they focused on idpol instead of game play. Their loss.
1333b6 No.14819664
>>14819631
Harvey Smith was always such a massive fucking faggot. He's also the reason why the Deus Ex games went to shit after the first one.
bd4fbc No.14819758
>>14818842
Emily being added makes no sense story-wise because Corvo is letting the kingdom go to shit, the kingdom you fight for in the first game, just so he can teach his daughter to murder people.
You now have female guards, female politicians, female dock workers, female fucking everything, Billy Lurk was a women in 1, but she is now also a Fantasy Nigger with a missing arm for a diversity hat trick. None of these make sense because it is set in a Victorian styled world.
Powers and gadgets are still either useless or gamebreaking with very few in between, levels are also significantly more linear than even the most so in 1, and all have gimmicks that usually end up being retarded. It also has a rune crafting system because every game in the current year needs a fucking crafting system. Said runes are once again, either utterly useless or trivialize the game, and are rng dependant so you could get all loud stuff in a ghost run. Stealth is a dead genre.
294e2b No.14820124
>>14819758
>Billy Lurk
She looked more south east asian to me. like a phillipino or a polynesian. then shes a full blown nigger AND a dyke. seriously whole game is full of dykes.
572320 No.14820273
>What went wrong?
We already talked about this
https://archive.li/NVRIu
d24cd5 No.14820305
>>14819319
>Why? How was Crysis considered before its current regard?
Oldfag here. Crysis is a tech demo for graphicsfags which shits the bed halfway through and is never fun again. Learn some history of gaming instead of absorbing consensus like on neogaf
467bb1 No.14820855
They were more focused on how to insert a tranny than how to make a good game.
a2edf8 No.14829703
I got a console copy of it as a christmas gift and did two quick run through, it isn't inherently terrible at all but it isn't ground breaking by any means. Two playable characters with different abilities was nice and you do get some fun tools to play with but they made the same mistake of making ghosting the strategy that gets you the good ending so on your ideal run you won't mess with your fun tools.
>>but with better non-lethal options.
domino was pretty fun but again, since playing lethally was frowned on you didn't end up utilizing these things as much unless you were burning through it for a quick murder run with no regards to getting a certain ending
6405fe No.14829748
The problem is the just made the same game but with Emily. Rats were replaced with flies and it was a bit sunnier but aside that's it really, it's just the same urban location.
But one thing that did piss me off was that they removed the Outsider changing his dialogue depending on whether or not you took out your target or used lethal or non lethal force.
I just wish they didn't make using lethal force as universally bad, like killing criminals isn't as bad as killing guards or some such.
fda3f7 No.14829900
>>14818848
Americans get to decide proper English spelling m8.
af5452 No.14829942
>nobody ITT talking about how Zenimax jewed Arkane out of their own studio.
I'm dissapointed, /v/, The reason DiHo2 was even worse than the first is because there's next to noone from the original team there. The studio's dying breath was spent making Dishonored 1 halfway playable for some rushed out filler production while they were being swindled by the kikes in charge, this is just a mockery of them.
07ccdf No.14830006
>>14819612
>tells others to go back to reddit
Oh, the irony.
cac598 No.14830469
>>14829980
who is this guy?
is there somewhere i can watch the whole thing?
f88200 No.14830607
>devs proclaim you can adjust HUD options however you want
>hmm, sounds bretty gud
>pirate it on launch
>start game, disable most tooltips and markers
>a mission or two in, NPC drops me on a dock and tells me to go to a brothel
>no mention of where said brothel is, not even "it's on the north end of town"
>realize that the game was designed with objective markers in mind, so without them I have literally zero direction
>this happens multiple times throughout the game
That, along with blink eliminating most difficulty, is what killed Dishonored for me.
efb8d7 No.14830864
>>14818842
>What went wrong?
Harvey Smith
ea343b No.14830871
>>14818842
Full timestop ability + whalebone combination which gives mana = Easy mode.
Played through on the hardest difficulty, was ok. I enjoyed it until I got my easy mode up and from there it was a walk in the park.
>stop time
>shoot arrows at every head
>start time back up
Literally took the challenge out of it. Oh well. You only get the stop time as the male protag and I never bothered replaying it with the female.
b0a806 No.14830893
They put a tranny in the game? Ffs
be0837 No.14830930
>>14818969
You don't like Dishonoured?
>*teleports behind you*
>*nothing personal, kid*
90dce7 No.14831166
>>14831060
That's how I played it. All stealth, minimum magic use (just the tall jumps since no rope arrow is given). Was a kind of OK experience for a thief nostalgic
26c651 No.14831549
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/417121835
Hope we're not getting that much spillage from cuckchan and /leftypol/ at the moment, this was what I found after archiving the catalog and there's one or two getting defensive over the Dishonored games and social justice.
4fa0b8 No.14831734
Dishonored 2 and Death of the Outsider had some fantastic levels (The Good Doctor, The Clockwork Mansion, A Crack in the Slab, The Grand Palace, The Bank Job) and spiced in enough new stuff (clockworks, envisioned, bloodflies, new powers) to keep shit interesting. You can really see the love put into the levels, lots of little hidden entrances and hiding spots.
I refuse to throw game devs under the bus for the questionable decisions of writers who transparently wrote over what was already there (90% of the idpol comes from random notes in the game world or Harveys twitter that he later walked back)
c40a46 No.14831805
>>14818919
It was more like Thiaf then Thief. There's no stake at sneaking if you're a literal god that can kill everybody on the map like it's nothing.
Oh and no fucking system to tell if you're visible or not, no sound-meters or anything. The game stunk.
b0a806 No.14831819
>>14831734
Killing off the outsider was a mistake.
3e5105 No.14831855
>>14830871
The only ability Emily gets that's worth a shit is the one that allows you to connect ~five people together and take them down at the same time. Every other ability of hers is either just a worse version of Corvo's (the shitty fling vs the stupid OP blink) or just useless.
>>14831734
DotO had like one good stage, and half of the stages being reused. It's utter dogshit compared to Duad's DLC.
694d6c No.14831995
>>14830615
>>14831819
>The Outsider was once seen as a demonic entity that pretty much controls the Void (pretty much the world's dream dimension), and gave out powers to people that he deems interesting to him
>All the while chilling out in the Void and popping up to see what's his chosen ones are up to, since he's literally untouchable
>He is so feared that there's a militia dedicated to purge his worshippers and remove all traces of him from the Empire
<Too bad most of the aristocrats practice the Outsider's faith and they are also content with partying while Dunwall was dying around them.
<Also the whole empire is actually fucking tiny and there's a Huge fucking continent that kills anyone daring to live in it or even attempting to approach it
God, why did they ruin the worldbuilding so much? Fucking shitheads. Even the Brigmore Witches aren't as pozzed as 2, because that expansion has a honest-to-god Dyke as the main villain / mooks.
Atleast it's still good design-wise, the clockmechs are nice addition to the art style. The game has 9/10 art direction tbh, even the simple glass bottles / food cans are interesting to look at, hell they even modeled a banquet's worth of food just to be used in one mission. Look up their assets at ArtStation, shit's very appealing yo.
By the way, they really should've continued the shorts of the game, it really fleshes out the lore.
bc90fa No.14832018
>>14831819
if you had played the game you would know they actually give you a choice
14fa90 No.14832030
>>14831995
And all of that effort is wasted because they decided to hand over game design and writing to tumblr. As always, if leftists were shipped off to concentration camps the world would be a better place.
b0a806 No.14832034
>>14832018
No I meant thhat thwy killed off what the outsider is. His power, his place in the Dishonored universe. He was the most interesting character they had and first they diminish his sense of wonder by exposing his background story and then they have you either neuter him or kill him. For all intents and purposes it's the same thing.
bc90fa No.14832059
>>14832034
thats not up to you, writers can do with the characters whatever they want
just cause you dont like doesnt it wasnt the right thing to do
they gave him proper backstory and closed his arc
they already said all of this was part of finishing Kaldwin era
next game would be with completely different characters and place probably, but maybe in the same world overall or not
b0a806 No.14832068
>>14832059
Obviously it's not up to me, I am not a game developer. But I am a consumer and felt they flippantly killed/removed the most powerful being in the universe which somewhat ruined the game for me, and I am not the only one who felt that way about this decision. I am not saying you're wrong to disagree. Maybe the next game will be fantastic, or maybe they ruined the franchise. We'll just have to wait and see.
14fa90 No.14832095
>>14832059
>writers can do with the characters whatever they want
And I can call what they do shit.
>they gave him proper backstory and closed his arc
They ruined the character.
>next game would be with completely different characters and place probably, but maybe in the same world overall or not
There will not be a next game. Dishonored 2: Soy Edition sold like shit.
29a0fe No.14832122
>>14832059
>they gave him proper backstory and closed his arc
>the right thing to do
Not everything needs an explanation. Forcing a answer to the rhetorical questions of the mythical or supernatural has always been awful.
>Midichlorians
>The Reapers
>Kane
>Condemned 2
>Prometheus
>Highlander 2
>Avatar Wan
65441f No.14832144
>>14832122
Nah fam, it's time to explain the Lovecraft Mythos. That will in no way ruin any of it
Cthulhu was simply a super evolved octopus sent back in time where he continued to evolve.
The Mi-go are planetary caretakers who planted humans on earth
The color from space was just lonely and is powered by love. It was created by Cthulhu to show how much he loved everyone.
The deep ones are simply a water breathing branch of humanity
I can do whatever I want with my stories, fuck you haters :^)
815037 No.14832149
>>14832122
I agree that not everything needs to be explained, especially by tumblr cunts who think shipping is the height of OC, but I fucking loathe Mystery Box bullshit too. Even if it doesn't have an answer, there should be the potential for or hints to an in-universe answer.
adfbd2 No.14832296
>>14832149
The problem with mystery box shit is only when they refuse to explain things that demand an explanation. There's a very striking difference between pondering about something after the fact and questioning how something even begins to make sense.
be5632 No.14832483
So how much of the first game was butchered by zenimax in the process of them driving arkane to the brink of bankruptcy?
I remember hearing about how health and mana were supposed to be one and the same but what else?
4934ea No.14832585
>>14832034
yeah characters like that are better off as mystery men, Philemon in Persona series for example. Bethesda did the same crappy thing to the Outsider that was done to Willy Wonka in the 2005 remake.
2b7dfa No.14832596
>>14832576
>hired for tweets
Oh no. This is why they are all shitposting on twitter about drumpf. They are trying to get hired by someone.
I cannot comprehend how terrible it is for job market in US.
45cd3d No.14832632
Dishonored was never good. Just play Thief and some custom levels, stop being a faggot.
65441f No.14832672
>>14832660
>le implying bideo james were ever good
6f3c2d No.14832679
>1 was pretty great
Holy shit this board is done
adfbd2 No.14832688
>>14832596
Many people flat out admit to denying any applications from open conservatives or people who just happen to look "too rightleaning". This doesn't hurt the companies in the long run either because they're already planning on bailing out of the USD anyway. Think of it as a very slow and painful liquidation process.
14fa90 No.14832913
>>14832576
No wonder Arkane games have been shit ever since the Bethesda buyout. The only question is if the rot came from within or if it was foisted upon them by Bethesda.
65441f No.14832920
>>14832913
Bethesda is owned by a Jew so greedy he was banned from working in a Bank.
14fa90 No.14832935
>>14832679
Good for what it is, really. It's not a great game, but it's a good game if you don't go in expecting Thief. I think it's more akin to Deus Ex in how it allows you to approach objectives any way you choose to.
>>14832920
Now that I think about it, no sane company would have taken a look at Wolfenstein 2 and released it to the public.
1f5459 No.14832953
>>14818842
>1 was pretty great
explain. how is a simplified skyrim tier sidequest extended over 6 hours pretty great?
b0bec3 No.14832960
>>14832953
>skyrim tier
The game is nothing like skyrim you retard.
1f5459 No.14832973
>>14832935
> I think it's more akin to Deus Ex
i didnt know you could just spam your sword attack to kill every enemy in the game. have you ever played deus ex? because the choices in dishonoured are completely arbitrary.
>>14832960
no, skyrim is deep by comparison. which is why i said its like a sidequest extended over 6 hours. its literally like sneaking through a dungeon in skyrim with a dagger/bow.
b0bec3 No.14832980
>>14832973
It absolutely is not you incredible idiot.
605abc No.14832990
>>14818842
>1 was pretty great
>thinking D1 was anything above a 5/10
nu/v/ needs to play Thief
1f5459 No.14833012
>>14832980
>it cant be true!
<luke screaming.jpeg
yes it is, are you hurt because you held yourself to a higher standard than skyrim players?
explain yourself.
47c544 No.14833023
>>14833016
>forgot the greentext
fug
>>14832973
>i didnt know you could just spam your sword attack to kill every enemy in the game.
1f5459 No.14833031
>>14833016
i didnt need the greentext. you literally cant spam kill everyone in the game. you'd get gunned down and killed. especially when robots come out and the maps get bigger.
also, thats a special sword you dont get until late in the game if you choose to keep it instead of stopping the gang war or whatever.
9f60a1 No.14833067
f2c946 No.14837117
>>14832990
Thief has aged like milk
d9ceda No.14837591
So dishonoured 2 is worse than the first? The first game was completely shit and easy on the hardest difficulty. The guards can't look up or down and the game is boring since it's so easy. Not anything like a stealth game but more of a skyrim stealth archer game.
b77b52 No.14843287
9ab850 No.14843547
>>14837117
>Still has the best sound-simulator
>Still has the best sneaking
>Still has the best story
>Still has the best twists
>Still has the most fun levels
>Still has the most varied enemies
Nigger, there hasn't been a sneaking-game that has come close to Thief 1-2. You can spend days looking through one level. Chaos Theory comes close, but it's not fucking Thief.
df5e5d No.14843625
>pretty great
Try barely decent
c5519d No.14843709
>>14818842
>1 was pretty great
168250 No.14843795
>>14843709
tell me about Corvo why does he wear a mask?
ef7471 No.14843802
>>14832913
First Dishonored game, while the gameplay suffer from the piss easy syndrome, has really really really good writing.
Hands down one of the best in vidya. I mean it has a story told using SUBTLETY. Jesus Christ, when was the last time you had lore that you just discovered due to thinking and analyzing details of conversations/cinematic, maps, etc? System shock?
Even the main story is told in a way that you make moral choices but the game DOESN'T judges you on it.
Playing like a sociopath has consequence but DOESN'T lead to a bad ending, just a darker one.
Hell even failing the main quest (not saving Emily) isn't really a bad ending.
This is what clearly went out of the window for the 2. I mean the simple fact someone though it was a good idea to explicit who the outsider was clearly had no fucking clue on what made the story of the 1 great.
There is everything in the 1 to deduce what the Outsider really is (an ancient mage trapped and bored, from an Atlantis like civilization, playing the part of a trickster god), explaining it 100% ruins the character!
So no the rot didn't came from within.
593bf7 No.14844111
>>14819319
>When loli Emily asks Corvo to marry her in one
Needed an alternate ending where he did it tbh.
a5535f No.14845392
I don't even want to pirate the last one because in killing the outsider they'll kill the only mystery and interest the game ever had.
I personally think the game peaked with the second daud dlc. The undead dog things were a needed addition to a too easy game.
a5535f No.14845422
>>14843802
New writer. Also explains the whole dreadful whale as normandy and all the stupid plot contrivances. Figures an sjw would think that ME2/3 had decent writing.
4ad3c6 No.14850133
>>14837117
Deadly Shadows is still fun.
d235c0 No.14850385
>>14818977
>meme spacing
I can assure you that his post is a perfect example of actual meme spacing.
>>14818842
>1 was pretty great
it was a great action game and mediocre stealth game.
>what went wrong
took the issues from the first game and multiplied them. examples:
>ugly character designs doubled down on style and introduced nigger and womyn pandering
is there a particular reason that the protagonist instantly trusts a one-armed nigger? maybe it's because corvo's hands got turned brown and he trusts a sista. whenever I point out the hands no one seems to believe me though. characters are so ugly, if randy pitchford ran arkane, he absolutely would have commissioned porn of the antagonist and linked it on twitter by now.
>viability of stealth due to changes in level design and AI
I played the game with the difficulty turned up so keep in mind that no journalist ever experienced the same AI. they detect you much faster and more easily which wouldn't be a problem (it would actually be preferable) if the level design was different. the first few levels in particular are absolute railroaded dogshit, just play it like an action game and it's easy. after that it's gimmicky tech demos, which are both impressive and not fun. level design throughout most of the game follows the trend of "big area with a fuckton of guards" with a few "designated stealth routes." this is in comparison to the more distributed approach of usable space seen in the first dishonored. there is a big difference between an obvious stealth route (the generic ventilation duct) and an area transition (large hallways in thief 1 before you reach an actual stealth area). dishonored 2 tries to combine them with bloodfly infested areas (often apartments) serving as both designated stealth routes and area transitions and if you try to stealth the game you will often find yourself wasting time throwing flammable bottles at flies. I guess the cost of stealth is having an uncomfortable feeling at the back of my neck after listening to 5 minutes of insect sound effects.
the net effect of dishonored 2's level design is this: completing the main objective of the level is piss easy and going for extras is plain annoying if you want to stealth it. this is because the main objective will have designated stealth areas going to it with short dips into hotter areas, whereas trying to grab bone charms and shit requires you to either a.) carefully clear enemies out of an area of b.) abuse a few retarded magic tricks in order to reach your extra shit. that's about the bulk of the problems with the game but there's still some
>misc bullshit
the game has a massive install size leading to long load times. if you regularly play shit released in the past 5 years you won't know to complain about this but I'm used to optimization being a thing, including load times. while the graphics are frankly excellent, I don't want to wait 3 minutes while the game caches 3d models of 7 kinds of pots and various high fidelity nigger skin folds. in the first few levels I found it difficult to spot some enemies due to the massive amount of set dressing.
I experienced persistent sound issues upon loading new areas.
there is little point to most upgrades since only a few actually matter and you would only find a more advanced level of player progression (at a given point) to be helpful in reaching optional shit. this is because the objective is always easy. I could go on but no one is actually going to read this post so
ede759 No.14850398
>>14850178
I guess Beth shills are going on full force now
1333b6 No.14851174
>>14843802
>First Dishonored game, while the gameplay suffer from the piss easy syndrome, has really really really good writing.
What kind of shit material have you been exposed to that Dishonored 1's writing is actually considered GOOD? The plot is recycled horseshit from every generic revenge movie ever made, the characters are flat as fuck and the actual thing is so short you barely get invested in what little there is before it's over. The world-building is mediocre at best - Not-Victorian-England with whales instead of steam and a cult hunted by an order of militant atheists.
>Even the main story is told in a way that you make moral choices but the game DOESN'T judges you on it.
Sure it does. Or you mean that having everyone fucking hate you because you're not a pacifist, the Empire going to shit and Emily becoming female Stalin is not a game judging you for playing the only fun way?
>Playing like a sociopath has consequence but DOESN'T lead to a bad ending, just a darker one.
Um, what's the fucking difference here? Seems like you just made up some definitions here.
>Hell even failing the main quest (not saving Emily) isn't really a bad ending.
You failed at what was your primary motivation the entire game and everything goes to shit. Again you somehow seem to be trying to make up definitions here.
>>14850385
>it was a great action game
It really wasn't, though. Combat sucks and you can instantly kill anyone and anything by spamming parry and attack or jumping on an enemy to assassinate them or just shooting everything with a gun. It's yet another "guns and grenades" game that tries to masquerade as a melee action game.
It's mediocre shit that even Arkane was surprised at the success of.