/v/ - Video Games

>>14778883

Don't make me play devils advocate here.

>>14778893

There can be exceptions, like monument valley or pots of PC/console games, but those are rarely discussed.

I'm talking about f2p always online slot applications that constantly have a bunch of threads on /v/ at all times.

this thread is asking for trouble

>>14778899

Well to start off, I agree, they should fuck off. However, they are games. There are mission in which you use whatever characters you get from the rolls or other missions, and said missions have a fail state making them vidya, and before you argue there is no penalty, there is in the form of losing the energy you slent on the mission for no gain. The gameplay depends on the game but can vary from turn based to bullet hell. And there are mechanics and building a team requires knowledge of said mechanics and interactions. So basically almost all your points are invalid.

>>14778917

It's the same as slot machines.

Are slot machines video games?

They also have "fail states" and even "gameplay" where you pull the lever.

>>14778934

The gacha isn't the only thing you do in the games.

>>14778883

>All mobile gaming is one game

90% of the stuff is shit but there's some that are alright like Infinity Blade, Monument Valley or Million Onion Hotel.

>>14778963

OP's problem is that gachashit has routine generals and the "good" or at least passable stuff does not.

>>14778972

I like RPGs in general so I wouldn't like it if trash like Fallout 4 kept having generals.

I tried Lineage, what's the deal with automatic questing? Why would you even play the game if the ai does all the questing and fighting for you, what are you doing as the player?

>>14778963

>>14778988

That's the mystery

>any attempts of shills to have F4 threads get shot down by diligent anons

>but mobile p2w trash is somehow ok

>>14778996

Buy microtransactions. Duh.

>>14778997

It because it's mostly weeb stuff. You are not going to see generals of games like Metal Slug Defense, Metal Slug Attack or The Battle Cats even if they are better than the shit they play.

>>14779040

All those games have gacha too but at least is not based in mhu ironic weeabo shit (at least not most of the time).

>>14779012

Had to look up metal slug Defense/attack and the looks fun. Too bad it also looks like its pay to win DLC shitfest

>>14779085

Yea, pretty much. It hurts that they are doing this but not a proper Metal Slug.

Anyway, this is much better that the trash some consume.

>>14778883

While true for the games you talk about they are not the only mobile games. Simple puzzle games like "100 doors" seem quite popular and there are also quite difficult ones like Euclidea wich is a collection of math challenges in euclidean geometry. The mobile game market is quite large and filled many niches. It's just hard to find the outliers due to the size of it.

>>14778883

>There is no gameplay

>>14779058

>ironic weeabo shit

what

>>14779192

Oh, so you are saying you like all those anime babes unironically.

>>14779231

A lot of mobile games would be 10 times better if that energy bar was removed by some hacker.

Look at this, this game would be fucking cool if all those cosmetics and stuff could be unlocked without microtransactions.

>>14779279

/shiteater/ exists too, why not take a hike?

>>14778883

Just play on an emulator if you want entertaining vidya on a phone. That is literally the only way to get worthwhile games on mobile. I've probably clocked five times the amount of hours playing advance wars on a phone as opposed to the ds at this point. All of that gachashit is just to suck out money from fools with heavy pockets but getting angry over that is pointless because the demand for these things will outweigh any of our complaints about it.

>>14779547

Guaranteed (you)s.

Ive enjoyed Final Fantasy Record Keeper for years now. Very free to play friendly, top level content is difficult, plenty of strategy to team building and battle mechanic management.

>>14779751

Part of the positive feedback loop.

>>14778883

>Mobage are not video games.

they actually have gameplay.

>>14779751

the last thing this board needs is more mods deciding what acceptable content is. A mods job isn't to do that, or to make sure discussion goes a certain way. Only to make sure the board isn't flooded with absolute off topic shit. If a game mentions real life political event X, and a person responds or justifies it with real life political event Y, and someone makes a remark about that, that is 100% fine and it shouldn't be against the rules. Dictating the content of the board is a terrible idea for everyone and if mods start doing it I'll start subverting them to make sure regular accepted board topics like stalker or share threads or mount & blade are impossible to have here ever again.

>>14779945

So that's what DrThrax's P.H.D. was, food analogies.

>>14778883

>There is no challenge, no fail state you, you don't lose anything in it.

As other anons have said, if it's a JRPG like gacha, you will lose the "action gauge" or whatever things you have to invest to do the fight. Thus, you will lose resources if you fail.

>There is no gameplay, you just tap tap and tap and watch pre-rendered animations happen, no skill, no mechanics, no decisions, no nothing.

If everything is preset then why is teambuilding (i.e. what gives the point to the gacha having better and worse characters and why whales pay) important to actually doing well?

>In JRPG dying will set you back to the last save point, meaning you lost your progress.

Already covered this you lose resources should you fail.

Gachas are shit games but they're more game than VNs are.

>>14778883

>Are mobile applications video games?

There are some.

>logical games

>emulators to play console games on smartphone

>games without microtransactions - <1% of games at all app stores

>ancient mobile games that remember Nokia brick

I don't count gachashit as video games.

It's just most vile form of gambling ever invented. Maybe with exception for stock exchange.

>>14778883

If the whole issue is what you stated then the same can be said about online games

>There is no challenge, no fail state you, you don't lose anything in it

Being underleveled on any game means everything is in a way or another a challenge, what you lose is time you must spend farming/grind, on regular games you git gud… and also farm/grind

>You just pay for more energy/currency to keep rolling jpegs so you can roll more jpegs with more stars attached to them

…Ho boy, well… i wonder if true video games with pay2win micro transactions are different besides is not like every player has enough money to constanty revive after they get whooped, most of those energy recharges are locked behind pseudo events where you must farm/grind your life away…. and that you roll units with more starts is not an inherit indicator that the unit will eliminate the challenge in every single game

>In JRPG dying will set you back to the last save point, meaning you lost your progress

Dying in an online game, even on mobile ones has the potential consecuence of warping you miles back to a town in the middle of nowhere, on those who use energy, well, you run out of them, to go back to where you were THEN you'll need like 30-50 energy to try again and 1 energy might recharge per 5 minutes, so.. easily more that an hour without playing

>There's no gameplay, you just tap tap and tap and watch pre-rendered animations happen, no skil, no mechanics, no decisions, no nothing

This is the browser game mentality and some companies are slowly trying to crawl out of that, besides… uhh, isn't that the same on games like Fire Emblem or the Tactics games, contra is just run and shoot while picking up power ups, Megaman, Sonic and even Mario have been largely the same since their conceptions where are you going with this rant? if you feel mobas are still just that, then nobody told you Phantom of the Kill (Fire Emblem clone) and The Alchemist Code (Final Fantasy (Tactics) Ogre) clone are a thing… also Toram Online which is an attempt to make a mmorpg, it kind of resembles Mabinogi about being able to learn all the skills

>You never lose anything in mobile apps

Uhh on console games you can save before the boss so you can try over and over, or take a break, on fighting games you can "Continue"… your point is?

>In VNs you have story, and you can change how it unfolds with descisions.

Not all the time and some companies like to give the players a false sense of choice.

>You can't do that in mobage.

So… linear plot vs non-linear plot argument? Oh no! maybe Megaman is not a game after all!!!

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion

>Why mobage is allowed? It's not video games.

>It's obectively, factually not video games, it has no place on /v/

And that is your opinion.

Besides… i dunno, i just saw someone trying to make a straw man argument because "reasons" and i joined the fray

>>14780016

Dude, I say this every time it's brought up, moot may have undeniably been a faggot but if there's one thing he got right, it was not doing this. At least, as much as he could help it, in /v/'s case.

>>14778883

Yes, OP; they are videogames. They suck. THey are trash but they are still games. Just realy bad games. The ones that are not trash are crippled by MicroTransactions

>>14780287

The interesting thing about /d/ is that they hold the vanilla stuff while the supposed vanilla place /h/ is ntr&trap central. Not sure if it's indicative of a cultural shift or just some agenda-driven faggots.

>>14780358

Educational games without microtransactions or adds exist. Most normalfags just wouldn't play them since it's more a learning exercise than getting a quick dopamine kick with easy success. This keeps them very niche of course.

>>14780592

I'd defend VNs if you actively had to manage time and whatever important relationships, friendly or romantic to avoid shit as severe as you or loved ones dying because you didn't "prepare". The only possible game over I can see is more "dangerous" VN or generally eroge with shit like getting cucked or, again, dying. Otherwise, it's just being stupid enough to get the worst possible ending by not saying the right thing from a preset handful of dialogue options.

>>14780636

You are forgetting the VN subgenre Kinetic Novels. Which literally have no choices and is just a graphic storybook for adults.

The fact that mobile shit is allowed on /v/ is probably the worst thing to happen to this board. This leniency invites several levels of cancer to manifest on this board.

>>14779890

>I'll start subverting

Unironically kill yourself you mobage apologizing jew

>>14781658

>bring up a valid point

<why are you subverting you (((jew)))

>>14781686

Because of silly copyrights concerning what certain companies are allowed to call visual novels.

>>14781686

I guess cause kinetic has more animation instead of being a powerpoint show.

>all this mobage apologism

>watching slots roll is gameplay!

>just tapping center of the screen is gameplay!

>you spend STAMINA so there is a fail state!

Dead board

>>14781794

If you think gacha is just a virtual slot machine and literally nothing else you have the downs. Also leave any time, or start making counter arguments.

>Mobile games aren't games

>Play game on PC

>It's a game

>Play the phone port

>It's not a game

Shrongdinger!

>>14781813

>>14781821

Shills or whales? Hard to tell.

>>14781816

>it's not a game cause I don't like it

how do you breath unassisted?

>>14781825

excellent argument

>>14781828

>no u

Thanks for killing board mate.

>>14781856

Alright so I'll take that as a yes.

>>14781865

>$0.01 was deposited to your account

>>14779012

This anon has it right.

Anons will rightfully shut down most shit games and their players as long as they're not slavic or japanese.

Gachashit is japanese, so it gets a pass because of the amount of weaboos.

Weaboos are cancer in their own right, the japanese games industry died because of them.

>>14781928

Ironically, gachashit is making console developers steering away from weebshit to appeal to westerners since their domestic market is getting unsustainable for everyone that isn't Nintendo

Bumnop

>>14779950

Doesn't change the validity of what he said. Fine. Let me put in a way that appeals more to your tastes and life experiences: getting pegged by a bull dyke might technically be straight, but everyone will still think you're a faggot.

That being said, I'm surprised that mobage hasn't turned to turn-based RPG or turn-based strategy. Those sorts of games are the kind of thing you can play for a bit on your phone during a commute. Hell back when I was a young weeaboo my gameboy library was mostly Golden SunTurn-based JRPGs.

They could even monetize it by adding some Pay2Wingacha aspect like unlocking better party members or something.

>>14778883

>In VNs you have story, and you can change how it unfolds with descisions.

You do fuck all in a VN. You just choose a route, each with different text to read. Your involvement amounts to flipping a page and god help your soul if you believe that that is a skill that you can develop and master by reading VNs like skills in actual video games.

Mobages on the other hand are by design simple and preying on the impatience of mobile players and offer them paid solutions for cheap prices to "advance" in the game. It's a scam disguised as game.

up

>>14778883

Sometimes yes, not always.

>>14796151

I'd make the argument that they can be games. Ace Attorney and Danganronpa are decent example.

>>14796151

They are though.