edb639 No.14761019
Technically speaking, what do you think of Star Citizen's development?
I own a i5-750 so I'm unable to play it but I think that for the amount of money invested, those developers produced better content than what was spent on a AAA game such as GTA 5,which is unplayable because of the hackers which R* refuses to address even with all the money they made off it.
71354d No.14761030
>>14761019
>I think that for the amount of money invested
Nigger are you really implying you were going to buy this shitpile of a game?
012631 No.14761044
Reminder this game is impossible to finish with the current technology.
980ad9 No.14761047
>>14761019
Technically speaking, you're a shill.
10e4a3 No.14761053
It has a budget of $185,143,154 to date with $0 spent on advertising so I would expect it to be technically impressive, I would also expect it to be finished.
330226 No.14761060
I think it's going to make a lot of an heroes.
e84a3b No.14761065
>>14761019
It's been pretty cool to see the old question answered, "what would happen if you gave the Crysis guys an unlimited budget to just make graffix?". Sucks for everyone that was expecting a game, though. There's no hope of that at all. I'd have thought people would have realized that by now since they still don't even have a fully functioning fetch quest 6 years into 'development', although maybe they realize it and being $10k in debt to a scam makes them want to believe hard enough to pretend.
6016dd No.14761067
Everyone working on this game is a waste. Everyone who gave money to this is a moron. Unless Chris Roberts gets his shit together he's going to get fucking murdered by a rabid fanboy when the game gets cancelled.
edb639 No.14761072
>>14761030
I don't have enough time to play EVE.
330226 No.14761077
>>14761072
As a former EVE player I can tell you that 90% of that game is training skills while offline because it's scheduled to finish mid-July. Everyone has time for it.
012631 No.14761081
>>14761066
That looks like it was made in spore.
330226 No.14761093
>>14761081
Well it's not part of Star Citizen, it's just some generic ship model for sale on a modeling site.
10e4a3 No.14761118
>>14761044
>implying
It could be done it just requires a pretty good internet connection to deal with all the data. The real issue is Roberts can't be trusted to manage funds and always blows them on useless shit or hiring his wife with a huge salary.
9bcecd No.14761135
>>14761019
They made some really nice jpgs, but I'm happy to pirate them rather than pay $10,000 for one.
c6711e No.14761147
>>14761060
for a game development with out niggers, she is ourgal.
e84a3b No.14761158
>>14761118
>all the data
Nigger, what data? Most of the time you're dealing with spaceships thousands of kilometers apart flying largely on momentum. Starsiege: Tribes had more data than this to transmit and it ran great over dial-up in 1998. Modded servers also supported more players.
The reason they have performance problems is because their network/simulation guys have no idea what they're doing and are probably trying to synchronize the lid position of your cabin's space shitter with everyone online 100 times a second.
10e4a3 No.14761196
>>14761158
>Nigger, what data?
In a normal MP / MMO game you only have to deal with a players position, gear, orientation and vector. In SC you are dealing with all that for each crew member inside a ship as-well as the ship and all damage states for the ship and cargo.
6b3c5d No.14761217
>>14761044
>>14761053
>>14761185
Memes aside the budget isn't even that large taking the scope into consideration. SW:TOR cost 200M$, GTA 5 cost 137M$, Destiny about 140M$. Doesn't mean the money is in good hands of course, mostly because the developer has no real interest in finishing the project unlike a real dev at the hands of a producer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop
10e4a3 No.14761231
>>14761217
That is why I made a point of mentioning advertising, generally half of an AAAs budget is advertising.
424f5d No.14761236
>>14761019
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH SCAM SHEKEL STAR CITIZEN'S DEVELOPMENT
MODS PLEASE STICKY THIS THREAD AND DELETE ALL DEREK SMART POSTS AND GIVE ME REDDIT GOLD THANKYOU
6b3c5d No.14761245
>>14761231
My numbers are development only, take a look at the link.
424f5d No.14761261
>>14761196
also most MMO's run a on low server tick to handle the load.
>>14761118
>>14761158
You dumb fucks literally have no idea what you are talking about
> what data
in SC's case? Metric shittons of poorly optimized physics simulation data.
424f5d No.14761272
>>14761245
> swotor
> source 'herocomplex'
> "It may be the largest entertainment production in history. More than 800 people on four continents have spent six years and nearly $200 million creating it. "
Nowhere in this article does it say that it does not also include advertising. Quality sources you have there.
10e4a3 No.14761290
6b3c5d No.14761306
>>14761272
>More than 800 people on four continents have spent six years and nearly $200 million creating it
>spent $200 million creating it
Sounds like development cost to me, either way here's another article, the total cost with VAs, marketing and so on were $500 million:
https://www.gamesradar.com/analysts-eas-stake-old-republic-probably-approaches-500m/
424f5d No.14761322
>>14761306
> Sounds like development cost to me
Sure, it can sound like anything you want but without the actual balance sheet, which we will never see, then this is all speculation.
We can still say that spending almost 200 million dollars on…well I'm not confident that SC spent all that in dev…but yes t spend so much on dev and still get nothing but a buggy prototype after 7 years is still a shitshow.
6b3c5d No.14761369
>>14761322
Look nigger i don't even care about that specific number nor did i check the wikipedia sources, i just named some games to make a point. You are right, the exact budget was never disclosed, but analysts don't judge the development cost at that number for no reason. Official numbers are
>800 developers
>6 years
So if you average it out, it would be on average $41,667 per dev anually, which is pretty reasonable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic#Development
424f5d No.14761399
>>14761369
Well nigger you are assuming that having 800 people working on a massive of failure of a project is actually somehow reasonable. Since SWOTOR was actually released to the public in a reasonable amount of time, how the fuck does this relate to Shekel Yiddizen? A "game" thats still "in early stages" according to its shithead leader, 7 years in the toilet and blowing ~200mil of other ppls money while STILL SELLING concept ships for several hundred dollars in decreasing sales intervals? Hell even swotor was released with 4 years.
Your point is fucking invalid.
0e69a0 No.14761405
>>14761369
Reminder that Bioware received $670 million in taxpayer money via grants over 7 years, while only earning $631 million in sales during that time.
6b3c5d No.14761424
>>14761399 (checked)
If your deranged brain allows you to think back to my original post setting this autism streak off, i never said that SC is any good at all or will ever turn out to be a game at all. All i said was that the budget, viewed in isolation, isn't ridiculous.
424f5d No.14761447
>>14761424
>the budget, viewed in isolation, isn't ridiculous.
and I'm telling you, since you seem to lack the ability to contextualize, that viewing it 'in isolation' is ridiculous because you can't. By your logic viewing anything in isolation is reasonable because there is no way to measure it.
> How long is a piece of string
is literally your argument.
6b3c5d No.14761459
>>14761447
Well alright faggot, so be it. You're the one starting the autism crusade about the slight uncertainty of one of my three example figures, and then it turned out that you had no idea what you're talking about.
039d7c No.14761464
>>14761118
>>14761196
You're uninformed. The reason the development is troubled (well, one among many) is because CryEngine was build for shooters and action games taking place in a small scale. Every physics object and game element talks to every other one, constantly, which is bad for a game meant to support more than a handful of players and awful for a game meant to have entire star systems reduced to basic economic algorithms in the background depending on where the player is looking.
424f5d No.14761478
>>14761459
Chose swotor because its close to the SC budget so its the closest comparison. And it was on your little example list of Wikipedia.
> You're the one starting the autism crusade
Your tears are a worthy reward
> and then it turned out that you had no idea what you're talking about.
Pot meet kettle. Since you are the one who cannot complete the argument that SC pissing this much money over this much time away is 'reasonable' I suspect you came in here without a fucking clue about what you were trying to say.
477fa7 No.14761485
>>14761044
You know there's a lot of similarity bewteen the cultists for star citizen and the cultists in physics. Both groups go around screaming that the reason for the game/string theory not being compete is because "the technology isn't here yet!" "Don't you know how ambitious start citizen is?" "Don't you know how high energy string theory is?"
6b3c5d No.14761486
>>14761478
>the argument that SC pissing this much money over this much time away is 'reasonable'
Never even remotely said anything along those lines you illiterate autist
>Your tears
kek
ae2582 No.14761493
>>14761072
>Get pinged.
>Log in.
>Go to fleet for an hour or two.
>Log off.
Wow that was so difficult.
Really time consuming.
424f5d No.14761497
>>14761486
> posts budget X seem reasonable in SC thread
> gets BTFO
> hurr durr pic related.
6b3c5d No.14761500
>>14761497
You're just incoherent at this point mate, either way i'll stop posting now. >/r/4chan quote spacing
680e85 No.14761851
>>14761019
>Star Citizen's development?
Star Citizen is being developed?
16b773 No.14762032
>>14761424
>the budget, viewed in isolation, isn't ridiculous
There is a difference between the likes of GTA V, Destiny 2 and TOR compared to Star Citizen. The aforementioned three games were fairly standard games in their respective genres, made by developers with years of experience in making games of a similar type (if we view TOR as an online single player RPG), with the backing and, more importantly, management of big publishers.
Star Citizen, on the other hand, is a highly experimental and ambitious game, trying to do several things no other game before has done, requiring the creation of whole new technologies and gameplay mechanics that not only need to be coded, but also work together seamlessly with a dozen other equally novel mechanics, and all this on top of making three separate games in one (SQ42, the FPS module and Star Citizen proper).
On top of all this clusterfuck you have feature creep the likes of which we haven't seen in any game prior, from a company owned by a guy who is notoriously bad at delivering projects on time and within budget, and that when there was someone actually breathing down his neck and with control of the purse strings.
Also, fucking Freelancer. Chris has already tried to make Star Citizen, failed, got fired for it and became an industry pariah for over a decade. If Microsoft hadn't stepped in I guarantee you he would still be making Freelancer and making more and more outlandish promises as development dragged on.
94fd79 No.14762191
>>14761019
>Technically speaking
Frankly, it's horrid. For the things Roberts tried to do, he might as well have developed a new custom engine because it's clear the CryEngine-Lumberyard-StarEngine hybrid or whatever they're running is barely holding together even on beefy rigs.
But thanks to the court docs we know he would have never been able to kickstart without somebody else making a tech demo for him.
>>14762032
>Also, fucking Freelancer
I like to remind people that the initial pitch was pretty much Wing Commander plus Privateer except modern and the polls where the "community decided" to go Freelancer on crack-laced steroids were a complete farce.
16b773 No.14762219
>>14762191
>the initial pitch was pretty much Wing Commander plus Privateer
And also the fact the pitch was a tech demo made by CryTek at the behest of Roberts, who failed to mention that little fact and left everyone thinking he already had half a game, or at least the basics, in place and was going to deliver within 2 or 3 years.
Now SC is little more than a vehicle to sell ship jpegs at whales, most of said jpegs only existing on paper, not even modeled, let alone having their unique gimmicks implemented, on top of a p2w gachashit mechanic where you get to "melt" ships to make more powerful version of them (or at least that's how I understood the mechanic when it was explained to me).
4e3124 No.14762356
>>14761065
>"what would happen if you gave the Crysis guys an unlimited budget to just make graffix?". Sucks for everyone that was expecting a game, though.
Perfect summary.
Crysis 1 left strong impression of techno demo of the engine and the saga continues.
6352f0 No.14762463
>>14762356
just watched a video where a guy with the 3 highest end GPUs on the market paired with the top end intel and AMD cpus with top end ram etc, STILL couldnt get high fps on the highest settings, the game requires cpu ghz levels that don't exist yet apparently, even after all this time, Scam citizen is even MORE ambitious than crysis ever was and i honestly dont know how anyone could fall for this shit, especially after all this time.
a7c988 No.14762507
>>14761019
0/10, you're gonna need a bigger bait.
a7c988 No.14762557
>>14762463
>first Vacuum channel transistor chips hit the market
>Star Citizen runs at a stable 60 fps with multiple players on a server for the first time
>SC 4.6 comes out, introduces procedurally generated cities with hundreds of NPCs per building
>goes back to 12 fps on the highest end 900Ghz 16 core Jewntel CPU coupled with a 1.6Ghz 240GB MRAM bank
16b773 No.14762611
>>14762463
And this after they scaled down the scope and instanced the game. Hell, the 3.0 carrier "fight" went into the single digits. I have no doubt Roberts knows the game is fucked at a fundamental technical level and will never be feasibly run.
de7b1e No.14762612
Someone post that video from the old thread of that 5 part series
2db93a No.14762638
>>14762032
>Star Citizen, on the other hand, is a highly experimental and ambitious game, trying to do several things no other game before has done,
>>14762191
he might as well have developed a new custom engine
What really pissed me off is the claim in the latest Sunk Cost Galaxy video is that at the beginning almost everything was subcontracted out. I mean wtf? did he really think he can shit out a game that never has existed before by using contractors to innovate?? It really questions the whole 'ohh it didn't mean to be a scam to begin with' meme.
ab30d8 No.14762648
>>14762507
>a bigger bait
>a
masterfully done
8c8901 No.14762649
>>14761019
>Technically speaking, what do you think of Star Citizen's development?
<NEVER EVER
<Scam
<Trash
16b773 No.14762662
>>14762649
Oh, it will eventually get released, but only after Roberts runs out of money, interested parties finish picking off whatever code and assets have been created and shits out a cobbled together turd to make back their investment before shelfing the IP forever… just like Freelancer.
86f880 No.14762677
>>14761019
>what do you think of Star Citizen's development?
I wish someone other than Derek would investigate and document the way Roberts burned all the money on those subcontractors. There's a series of short videos made by a former Star Citizen fan, it's pretty good but it would be nice to have more of it.
>GTA 5,which is unplayable because of the hackers which R* refuses to address even with all the money they made off it.
That's because there's no way to fix that. Hackers ruined the RDR servers, R* fixed it then it got hacked again and again until R* stopped supporting the multiplayer. These days it's still fucked, there's 50-50 chance that you will get to an infinite loading when you try to access the multiplayer, switch from one game mode to another or even when you want to the character customization.
There are some good things though that came from this series of hacks, like that pile of mexican bodies at MacFarlane's ranch that gives you infinite EXP (but the game crashes at one point because it can't handle all that data).
1b96ae No.14762716
>>14761464
>is because CryEngine was build for shooters
No its because they are shit devs.
2db93a No.14762757
>>14762716
its both you nigger
866ee1 No.14762775
>>14761053
He must of taken much more than that by now. Close to 300 million with all the sales and extra bank loans. So much money has been used somewhere that he is in a trap of his own making. he can't afford dev to stop and fail without serious consequences. But he also can never deliver on what was promised.
2db93a No.14762785
>>14762775
> deliver v1.0
> no more money coming it because anyone who would pay money already has
> ships are available in game for game credits
> can't pay back the loans
> SC goes under the minute they deliver
wew
d80863 No.14762788
>>14762775
Don't forget his Fans would have mass Suicide due to Overprice JPGS and other shit
It would be a fun thing to watch
16b773 No.14762864
>>14762775
What consequences? It's not like the backers have any legal ground to ask for their >>14762788
They'll an hero anyway when the project fails and they realize they threw thousands of dollars down the drain and are the internet's laughing stock, on top of the spouses of those unfortunate to be married nagging them with "I told you so…".
Goon and furry mass suicides are a good thing though.
3e7dc1 No.14762925
>game
>development
Neither of these things describe Scan Shitizen
10e4a3 No.14762947
>>14762864
Local laws apply to online sales in many countries, as an Aussie I would have legal grounds for a refund and would Europeans. This is why they moved development to "minimal viable product" last year. This is the minimum they need to do to cover their ass legally and after ~14 months since focusing just on that they still aren't even remotely close.
16b773 No.14763061
>>14762947
But what would constitute a "viable" product in this case? Roberts can just as well slap a 1.0 onto the game tomorrow and he'd pretty much be off the hook, no?
2db93a No.14763077
>>14763061
Depends how deep in the red he is see >>14762785
Depends on what an MVP is for SC based on croberts interminable ramblings, lies and promises. If he released 3.1 as final right now I'm pretty sure it would be a mob riot followed by government intervention.
d95f84 No.14763080
>>14761066
reminder that cuckchanners bought scam citizen and Destiny 2
e84a3b No.14763151
>>14761261
You flaming faggot I know what I'm talking about. The game is literally sending all the state for a player walking around on a planet's surface to players flying around in space and that's the main reason why bandwidth use is so high. People noticed that you could see someone's flashlight on a planet when you were miles above the surface at night which not only shouldn't be possible IRL but also shouldn't be possible if it wasn't sending you state you don't need. So yeah, the lid position of your space shitter is getting sent to the guy you're dogfighting. When two ships are kilometers apart and flying largely on momentum, you only really need to be sending small velocity updates once a second or so to keep it looking like it's in the right place. In Star Shitizen's case, they synchronize fucking everything at high fidelity because they have no idea what they're doing.
90cabb No.14763162
Sandy's going back to porn once (((CIG))) goes bankrupt?
e84a3b No.14763165
>>14762947
They've already done legal maneuvers to cut off refunds with a series of EULA changes and baiting their cult into upgrading their jpeg so the new EULA would apply. I don't think anyone who has bought/upgraded after 3.0 has successfully received a refund.
2db93a No.14763167
>>14763151
> >all the data
> Nigger, what data?
You probably could have explained yourself better than. Yeh the engine is literally sending all states of all the things to all the clients. I guess we don't disagree here.
1b96ae No.14763175
>>14762757
No it isn't fuckface. Archage uses the same engine and doesn't have any of those issues. They are shit devs end of story.
2db93a No.14763183
>>14763175
> some random example,
Yet we have seen proof that the default engine is shot for this job and needs major rework to even be semi usable. Also SC with all its physics grids and extra garbage != Archage
Its both you stupid nigger.
e84a3b No.14763200
>>14763183
Star Shitizen isn't even using Cryengine for networking, they're using some untested open source trash because one of their network guys was buddies with the author.
https://github.com/networkprotocol/yojimbo
Sucks for them since he got bored of it before it became any good and now just merges pull requests.
a7c988 No.14763201
>>14763165
>implying anyone dumb enough to buy into SC after 3.0 wants to refund in the first place
>implying most of the pledges in the current day aren't from the same old whales shelling out the rest of their life savings for yet another completionist package to keep the dream alive
914acc No.14763212
>>14762864
I'd be shocked if there was not some kind of class action. But he does not have to wait as he is being sued for a lot of money right now, by Crytek after he did not honor the contract. If Crytek win it could sink the project. Then maybe he will try blame it on them.
d80863 No.14763220
>>14763212
But he can't escape the Kikes because Jews don't like it if someone didn't pay their shekels even if they're also fellow Kikes
2db93a No.14763226
>>14763200
lel they couldn't even be bothered to spring for the official plugin
>It's designed around the networking requirements of competitive multiplayer games like first person shooters.
Absolute Pottery,
>>14763212
>If Crytek win it could sink the project. Then maybe he will try blame it on them.
HEy this could be a viable exit strategy unless the discovery process reveals illegal conduct.
130035 No.14763232
>>14762463
SC works (or worked last I checked) normally in Arena Commander, the dogfighting module. You could get very normal framerates in multiplayer matches with 20-30 people, on average hardware. It's the PU that lags like shit, and it's specifically their networking that is causing it.
e84a3b No.14763312
>>14763201
They've been milking the whales extra hard lately. Previously they were stringing them along with a complex, gamified system to upgrade a jpeg into a newer jpeg for extra money and get a token to 'buyback' the original later even if it's no longer for sale (artificial scarcity). But recently they changed it to where you only get the 'good' version of the new jpeg (the one with 'LTI' - lifetime insurance) if you buy it full price ('warbond') rather than upgrade ('melt', store credit). So they're currently complaining about it while preparing to pay.
(((reddit space)))
There's a perception that most of the 'whales' of this game are wealthy. They aren't. They're poor as fuck and are saving every dollar they get for their next jpeg. This guy for example has been hooked up to their upgrade milking machine for a while and is sure that this new LTI change is the final straw. Of course it won't be, I've been following him for a while, but it shows what these guys are up to. Every dollar goes into jpegs, and many of these things they've bought and sold have yet to exist as more than a webpage.
10c8cc No.14763407
>>14763312
As of now, is there any legal way this could crashed? Maybe this violates some gambling law?
>There's a perception that most of the 'whales' of this game are wealthy
I thought whales were mentally deficient by definition.
914acc No.14763428
>>14763312
>There's a perception that most of the 'whales' of this game are wealthy. They aren't. They're poor as fuck and are saving every dollar they get for their next jpeg.
e84a3b No.14763612
>>14763212
Crytek will definitely win some part of the lawsuit but I'm not sure how much damage it will cause. I've actually never seen the kind of extreme 'dirty room' platform switch they did in 25 years of working in software development so I have no idea how it plays out. A mitigating factor is that there probably isn't a lot of money left for the lawyers to snatch so it can't get as ridiculous as lawsuits with IBM.
d80863 No.14763632
>>14763428
I would actually want to know the fate of that guy, Unless maybe just maybe he Killed himself
6352f0 No.14763739
>>14762557
>>14762611
>>14763232
sorry i was referring to Crysis still not being super stable with the highest end current equipment, i don't know enough about SC's graphics demands.
cce66d No.14763835
>>14762677
>investigate and document the way Roberts burned all the money on those subcontractors
That would require some "games journalist" to actually sit down, investigate, talk to sources and we all know that isn't gonna happen when there are "8/10 It's kinda okay t. IGN" articles waiting to be written.
And we all saw what happend to The Escapist when they reported on troubles and discontent inside RSI (they got sued and took down the article after settling with CRoberts).
Game devs themselves on the other hand keep quiet because even if RSI is a giant disaster even in a industry where nepotism, fraud and shitty project management are worringly common, the whole thing is governed by an omerta and speaking too loudly will land you on industry blacklists. Hope you're antifragile and independently wealthy because otherwise…
>>14762638
> It really questions the whole 'ohh it didn't mean to be a scam to begin with' meme.
Seeing Roberts as a megalomaniac and narcissist who talked and promised himself into a corner is probably the more positive of the two narratives right now.
Because otherwise rumors like him and Sandi each recieving a 500k p.a. salary, the fact that he lied about the whole premise of the SC Kickstarter and hired tons of old, close friends makes it certainly sound like he and his inner circle are seeking to bilk people for a shitload of cash, jumping ship at a later (like they did with Digital Anvil, Ascendant Pictures, others did with Warthog and the Gizmondo).
d26ed0 No.14763854
>>14761254
A good vid, but holy shit, the author was a 10k whale.
10e4a3 No.14763869
>>14763061
He needs to meet "the realistic expectations of the customer" this is determined by looking at other similar products and seeing how they compare.
Under Aussie law he would need to fulfill the promised listed on the site and if he did but people still want to sue SC would be compared to something like Elite so the judge could see what each offer (does it actually launch, is it playable ect.)
18e7de No.14764311
Money invested means nothing.
Talented people are what make a good product.
10e4a3 No.14764320
>>14764311
It's easier to get the best when you can offer great conditions especially in an industry infamous for treating it's workers like shit. That said nothing to save incompetent management.
d9d1e0 No.14764359
>>14762775
So this is literally The Producers: Vidya edition.
cfadc3 No.14764387
>>14761019
It's the greatest scam on the video game industry to this day and it will never be released and if it is, it will be a complete and utter disappointment for everyone, except most of the cucks who funded it and to this day swear by it
d26ed0 No.14764566
>>14764320
>in an industry infamous for treating it's workers like shit
Tell me an industry that doesn't threat it's workers like shit.
13d80d No.14764624
>>14764566
The auto industry.
9badc3 No.14764853
>>14761060
lol dont make me laugh anon, well memed sir well memed video, I love star citizen, everyone that contributes is a hero, as a member of the one true cross-chan star citizen guild /V/ederation I welcome you all to join, we are a very tight knit community that loves Chris Roberts great visionary future, and discuss the great lore of the Star Citizen future and how we can contribute everyday, and it has great active guild mods too, thank you for reading
9badc3 No.14764854
>>14761060
lol dont make me laugh anon, well memed sir well memed video, I love star citizen, everyone that contributes is a hero, as a member of the one true cross-chan star citizen guild /V/ederation I welcome you all to join, we are a very tight knit community that loves Chris Roberts great visionary future, and discuss the great lore of the Star Citizen future and how we can contribute everyday, and it has great active guild mods too, thank you for reading
fe9fbb No.14764938
>>14763312
>$400.00
>For a jpeg of an nonexistant ship in a nonexistant game
>He's done this for a while
>He's spending a considerable amount of his income on this
I'm feeling light-headed.
18e7de No.14764964
>>14764320
It means nothing.
The industry is filled with leftists that hate their own inferiority. The best and most talented people are never hired, no matter how much money is involved. All the money goes to nepotism and diversity hires.
>>14764624
Elon Musk changed that. His company operates like a chinese slave-labor factory.
a56dbf No.14765045
>>14763739
The fuck are you on about? I've got a beefy rig and can run it fine.
cce66d No.14765121
>>14764964
The most talented people fuck off doing industry, finance and gambling work.
Better pay, less crunch, overtime, extra dosh for on-site work for starters.
>Elon Musk
Musk is incapable of hitting production targets and has massive QC issues. The only reason Tesla still lives is Commieformia clean car subsidies and money injections from SpaceX and other ventures. The second somebody actually audits the books of that shitshow Musk lands in pound me in the ass federal prison.
d42ba6 No.14765128
>>14764964
Musk changed nothing.
d26ed0 No.14765152
>>14764624
How exactly does it not threat people like shit ?
5fc7de No.14765169
>>14761118
CryEngine is the main problem.
Not the lack of supercomputers or a good and stable internet connection.
The base of the game is build on the wrong engine. Roberts himself said that they had to rewrite a huge chunk of it and in the end switched to another modified version of it anyway simply beccuase the engine at it's core is just not suited for a game like Scam Citizen.
2db93a No.14765927
>>14763854
Mate I personally know a 30K whale. HE got married and started talking about getting a refund but I think he missed the boat. I'm no longer shocked by this. I'm pretty sure we are looking people who have spent 100K at this point.
>>14765169
a dev claimed an over 50% rewrite which to me start the question why bother choosing this engine at all. The I realized, you can't subcontract your own custom engine, at least at the early stages.
b45a2d No.14765985
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>I own a i5-750 so I'm unable to play it but I think that for the amount of money invested, those developers produced better content
>10 hour video on modeling and texturing eggs and beans
>game not even finished
2e6add No.14767872
>>14765045
https://youtu.be/PcYA-H3qpTI?t=17m41s
bruh, i doubt it. not at a perfectly stable 60fps rate that is.
5a67bb No.14772180
>>14765985
It will never be finished.
d2af33 No.14772242
>MMOs falling out of favor
>elite: dangerous a fucking joke
>scam yid an eternal disaster
>EVE, already perpetually getting fucked by Hilmar's horrible direction, going full P2W kikery with their new favorite ex-EA marketer
Is all hope gone of ever getting a truly good game to fly around and fight faggots in untamed space? Will EVE, so very flawed as it's always been, be the closest we ever got?
16b773 No.14772255
>>>14765985
Next stretch goal is going to be a cooking simulator mechanic with a mocapped Gordon Ramsay screaming at you for fucking up, all for the reasonable price of an additional 20 million US dollars.
f440f7 No.14772273
I feel like this whole Star Citizen thing is like a modern equivalent of rapture. They think this game will lift them out off this gay earth and into a better place. In this case a virtual reality instead of heaven.
16b773 No.14772291
>>14772273
And like with every cult it will end up in mass suicide, either organized or after the whole thing blows up in everyone's face.
dfa391 No.14772318
If one day Scam Yiddizen is released in a "normal" edition (60$, bug-free, phisicap copy) I will.buy it.
But that is never happening and I will be forever cursed to roam the empty planets of Elite Dangerous.
dace45 No.14772417
>>14772291
>And like with every cult it will end up in mass suicide
Mass suicide I don't know, but you can expect some suicides in the near future, especially when you know that some people have spent more than 10k on JPEGs of ships that only exist as concept art.
404bd4 No.14772440
>>14761019
I brace myself and decide to "investigate" and spoke with their support.
mention all the issue that come and why releasing the game is in fact better etc.
after 3 full day i guess i am a faggot i realize something:
DISREGARD COMPLETLY the kickstarter page. SC of today IS NOT what SC was sold on during kickstarter, and i am not speaking about asset/ship being remade here. I am speaking about how the game will work.
short version:
>SC is doing the same thing that BDO did! french were so mad about it btw pic related
meaning: going from "eve online with dynamic gameplay" to a barbie game
-the game WILL NOT have economy driven by player , everything will still be controled. you -won't be abble to control space for more than a verry restricted amount of time.
-you WILL be able to buy money through cash shop.
the game is a playground NOT a sandbox! you will be able to do whatever you want (trade, mission, "exploration") but do not expect any big pvp or the ability to have an effect on other player.
The point of the game will be to parade with your ship and play with your friend in multicrew like star trek kids from south park. ship of course insurred with a life time insurance because well… cash shop why would you risk loosing a 400€ transporter ship.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/16550-Introducing-The-Hercules-Crusaders-Premier-Tactical-Starlifter
(how in the world can someone spend 400€ on a ship that si made for somethign that is'n t designed yet (transport of army/land vehicles)
Oh and once released RSI will go full cosmetic, so if you wanted to be a "space XZibit" go fuck yourself
It is so funny to see the "best game ever™" doing the same thing that current AAA games, and going for graphics above everything else.
It is hillarious to watch the original kickstarter video
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
now that we are in 2018 everybody watch the project from a few step back:
<damn ! that video! you couldn't make one that is more obviously manipulative than this! i guess in 2012 PC gaming was trully desperate!
>'i am a PC gamer'
>' i am an hardcore gamer'
even tumblr try to be less "in your face"
meanwhile SC of today will be casual as fuck. why? because else it will be p2w. All thoses SC supporter when you say p2w they will all reply : "win? there is nothing to win" and that's because much like in BDO almost everything will be made through NPC. (like think elite… because this will be an elite clone except way smaller and while elite decide to do the "release then expand" SC is doing the oposit (and yet SC fan still give minecraft as an example when you mention the fact that SC will be released as a Minimum viable product…)
nb: i think the reason they go for a playground instead of a sandbox is to avoid thinking too much when releasing something that they can sell.
>Why sell a tank ? does that mean you can invade player-owned plannet and conquere it ? nah.. it's just for collection.. maybe they will add a BF or CoD-like mission in one planet that is in perpetual conflict(playground) to use thoses asset. but participating in it will have no direct effect.(because it is a playground, not a sandbox)
16b773 No.14772452
>>14772440
>SC of today IS NOT what SC was sold on during kickstarter
No shit anon. We went from "spiritual sequel to Wing Commander" to "space MMO" to "ship jpeg trader" in the span of a year after the kikestarter was launched.
Also, what the fuck is BDO And why are the surrender monkeys upset about it?
a7c988 No.14772473
>>14772452
>BDO
Black desert online, some Korean MMO with an autistically detailed character creator.
16b773 No.14772477
>>14772473
Pity Shit Korea can't invest that autism to create a decent porn game, though if they did they'd probably just fill it to the brim with NTR anyway.
404bd4 No.14772561
>>14772452
>Also, what the fuck is BDO And why are the surrender monkeys upset about it?
BDO (black desert online) was suppose to be the next "greatest MMO ever made". and as it was announced it did have all the ingredient for.
why we are mad ? read the 1st pic.>>14772440
Else:
It was basically announced as a EVE online²² in a medieval fantastic world and dynamic gameplay where you had to manually aim etc to hit.
For me there is also another reason that made me hate the game:
The gameplay was the least changed but they still added a BS (last minute) pair of stat that butchered the gameplay:
Precision and dodge. thoses are completly arbitrary stats that even if you aim right, see your plade connect and see the blood SFX: the game can concider the hit "missed"
This was made to avoid getting skilless robot/asian/faggot farmer mad. This stats prevent a low level to beat a higher leveled player with skill alone or monster by making him impossible to touch. Since all item and armor and for ALL level, dev probably would not have to deal with mad lvl 50 getting destroyed by lvl 20-30.
>this made the game stupid as the only stat that was worthwhile was precision and you had to upgrade the shit out of it.
Monster too had this, 9/10 attack missed meaning even if you use an ultimate moves … it could miss (even if you aimed dead center) so it was a chore and you were better off farming monster at your level range. yes you could defeat monster stronger, but it would be less efficient, better farm easy monster as if you were playing a Musou.
if being higher leveled only mean being more resilient to low level attak i would'n t be mad: you could still win but you had to be flawless
Bdo have no interaction between player, trade is through AH, pvp is extremely regulated etc …
oh and now it is p2w, although much like SC fanboy, bdo fanboy would say "b-but 'win' what?" and they would be somewhat right… the whole point of BDO is to create the best Barbie, so: farm until you get enouth to buy costume from player who buy it from the cash shop and resell it in the AH (costume that give stats bonus or boost BTW)
2018 and onward will be the year when people would defend p2w by saying there is nothing to win in their game in the 1st place.
²²Eve is pretty much the best mmo out there concidering his age and how healthy it is. So if an EvE-like mmo with a dynamic gameplay apeared that would most certainly be "the next best mmo"…
Although with time, i tend to think that maybe EvE only work thanks to it's gameplay that pretty much make latency irrelevant and more importantly do not requiere incredibly high execution.
Maybe an EvE-clone would in fact failed because thoses who want such dynamic/execution heavy game would'n t want to put their stuff on the line (they just want to duel) while thoses who want this deep and total freedom do not want to spend time practicing their execusion, and potentialy lose not because he got outsmarted but because his execution was lacking. Two target audience with different vision and desire, blending the 2 will probably just create a product that would please none of them and fail.
325213 No.14772793
>>14764853
>>14764854
Is he the reference model for planets?
d05566 No.14772831
>>14772440
The fact that ships will almost certainly have static color locked skins you have to buy like in Elite Dangerous instead of a proper painting system that lets you customize the colors on your ship like in a GTA game was the final straw for me. You won't even be able to paint your 500 dollar jpeg just how you want it.
And this is made worse by most of the stock skins on ships being bare aluminum, military olive drab (which makes total sense in a space game), or fucking edgelord black with red trim.
4ce49a No.14772988
>>14763312
>>14763428
>>14764938
There's a point when laughing at the madness of the world isn't enough to cope with the despair. You can call these people idiots and they are, but I just feel so fucking sad for them. They just wanted vidya. They wanted to believe. This shitshow is going to extinguish so many hopes and dreams. People will die. My cynicism isn't protecting me from the grief I feel for these fools.
Roberts will end up murdered, you know?
>>14763835
He's just an overrated ideafag with no concepts of project management or good enough judgement to hire on merit. He wants the easy executive life where he makes loads of money to sit in a huge office and decide what goes and what doesn't while drinking expensive coffee. I don't think he's intelligent enough to purposefully have scammed people from the start. He probably just started making stupid promises for more backer money and things spiraled out of control. I imagine him smiling to himself while trying to hold in the panic that he feels growing with each passing month as his dream becomes an even worse catastrophe with every new dollar and knowing there's no turning back. The Crytek lawsuit must be the best thing that's happened to him since it gives him an excuse to try and avoid the public responsibility for his incredible failure.
>>14772242
True space MMO's are a huge challenge because you'd have to potentially have thousand-player dogfights. I don't think it can be done.
>Will EVE, so very flawed as it's always been, be the closest we ever got?
Yes, for now.
>>14772440
The true scam was shifting from a single player game to a multiplayer MMO.
b9fa5e No.14773035
>>14772831
Because having 100% of the ship surface covered in anime girls is not at all cringy.
Brushed aluminium for the win. That, or solid white.
143763 No.14773061
>>14773035
>Because having 100% of the ship surface covered in anime girls is not at all cringy.
>cringy
Here's your (You)
10e4a3 No.14773063
>>14764566
There is a difference between shit and vidya levels of shit. Unpaid overtime is the norm and they make a point of reminding everyone that their is more supply than demand in the industry.
Think about how EA treats the people that pay them (customers) then think about how they would treat those they pay (staff).
404bd4 No.14773066
>>14761217
>swtor
advertising + voice actor.
swotor is a bad mmo but a good rpg. i do think it is worth playing solely for the story.
Hell now with the exp up you are even better of NO paying at all, else you level up like crazy and are always 10-15 level ahead.
i wish to have another SW game centered around being an imperial agent (in legend)
4a8359 No.14773128
>>14772988
>not being so worn out from seeing the masses fall for the same tricks over and over and over and over and over that you can't really feel any kind of sympathy for them at all any more
It's not even schadenfreude. I get no enjoyment from seeing them broken like this, just confusion. It's absolutely bizarre. That isn't to say that I don't understand how people end up like that - I do - but it's just absolutely bizarre.
d05566 No.14773135
>>14773035
actually I'd like to paint my ships up like various famous air force and navy squadron liverys, and I don't think CIG will be making any of those for sale as they'll be too busy designing meme skins of hello kitty, that stupid fucking in game ramen company, or some damn goon event no one cares about.
404bd4 No.14773139
oh yea, i have forgoten, while you wait to buy a new ship, you can also subscribe !
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/subscriptions
now i have seen it all
10e4a3 No.14773155
>>14773139
I "own" a jpeg, it was long ago before the scope changed into what it is today, as such I was interested in the development of this particular jpeg and when I found out it was to be featured in the subscription "magazine" read pdf I went to plebbit to ask for an upload of it….
I have never seen people so angry that someone would dare ask for a fucking pdf, it was like I was personally stealing their subscription fees and they were not going to stand for it.
someone PMed me the link
18e7de No.14773972
>>14765121
Does not change the fact that Musk treats employees like shit.
As for the talented people, working in marxist companies makes anyone want to quit.
The fact remains: money means nothing. Talented people are what make good products.
>>14765128
So the auto industry is all shit like Tesla? Good to know that i must avoid it at all costs then.
d2af33 No.14774810
>>14773014
>links goon news site
hmmmmmmmm
It went from trading real money for in-game money to fly whatever but it takes long-term subbing to get skills, to also buying skills with real money, to the new lootcrate in disguise they've revealed that RNGs massive stat boosts to selected modules and has already been shown to make some already broken shit completely stupid. Don't act like the situation hasn't been rapidly deteriorating in the last couple of years just because the typical retard whale still just buys into a purple battleship and immediately gets pinata'd.
7b091f No.14774893
when will the SC saga reach its conclusion? both the fans and haters are being blueballed because nothing is happening with the developement. i just want to see it either cancelled or released in any state so we can finally see some kind of climax.
e0b5ec No.14774919
>>14774893
Not following it really but there was some release recently. Saw some news while browsing, just didn't bother reading.
404bd4 No.14775020
>>14774810
>muh goon
>not reading the story
>proceed in shitposting
8ef677 No.14775102
>>14774828
No profanity is not generally against the rules, especially not on 8chan. Ask Dave for the latest pdf files, my office mostly works on Reddit.
4ce49a No.14775217
>>14773171
>>14761066
Am I doing this right?
2db93a No.14776235
>>14773128
> the cultish mindset
Its amazing isn't it? Most of these fools will move on to the next scam after SC too.
> An "unsinkable rubber duck" is James Randi's phrase to describe those who are determined to believe in woo no matter how much evidence to the contrary they are presented with.
2db93a No.14776252
>>14774893
Well as I understand there are 3 things threatening to kill SC right now
> Actually running out money
> The Crytek lawsuit
> An external and/or internal revolt
You can just never truly predict these things from a distance.
c025b2 No.14776565
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
I play SC's dogfighting shit because its fun some patches. They waste a lot of money over complicating mechanics in ways that do nothing to improve gameplay other than introduce bugs. they are making progress but at this rate they'll likely have to release a half-done version in a few years that people sperg out over because it doesnt fuffill all of their autistic dreams. I already feel like i got my 30's worth from it so not too fussed, i've blown wor, there aren't any released games that do it as well… except infinity battlescape… yes i am here to shill fuck you not like this thread was going anywhere
sc got a shitton of money infinity only got $300k for embed related. Unlike SC, the engine is absolutely purpose built and is already running with 300 ships in a server no sweat with ridiculous scale, and it performs way better than sc ever has. There is no fat on the engine, they dont even have skeletal mesh animations because they dont need them for a space game. Playing it feels smooth, the visuals are gorgeous and the real scale planets and celestial bodies is nice compared to SC's baby 1/10th size planets. if you're a buyfag and you like the sound of planetside in space with newtonian ship combat get the fuck in on this, they deserve the dosh. (and they had ads on 8ch during their kickstarter.)
fc743a No.14776798
i backed it back in 2012 when it seemed like a really good idea only thirty bucks no bully and i think the most heartbreaking part is that i can see the game that they could make but won't because they're complete fucking retards. i want to play the space game where i, as the simfag, can fly the ship, and my friends who are all into cowadootdoot can hurl themselves out the back of my ship to board the enemy, or can go EV to explore that wreck and make off with still-functioning pieces of the ship, then man my turrets on the ride home to fight off the pirates still in-system. i want that game so bad. i'm sad that this looked like it could be that, then almost immediately nosedived into the shit fire we have now
6c7e92 No.14776861
Everyone ITT just needs to double down and pledge another $50
18e7de No.14776865
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
For those that are still surprised by the stupidity of whales and normalfags that pay for a non existent product, watch this video.
Normalfags were always complete retards, in any generation.
0e69a0 No.14776887
>>14776861
>Everyone ITT needs to double down
This.
> $0 × $0 = $0
3af6cd No.14776889
In a way, I envy those still naive and gullible enough to still believe the lies of con-men with silly accents. There's a childlike innocence to their hopefulness, like still believing in the Toothfairy, only instead of believing that a magical fairy exchanges teeth for legal tender, they believe that throwing thousands of dollars and getting a second mortgage on their home to pay for jpegs will allow a team of fuckups and 4th party shovelware producers to cobble together the most ambitious, depthy, complete sci-fi universe simulation MMO ever made.
404bd4 No.14777627
>>14775217
The reason question is:
Will SC create THE jew ship? Will they call it
the Noose ?
>only 6.666.66
>you don't have to pay docking fee
>free and unlimited insurance
>If a player attack you, they will get chased by the police for all eternity.
4ce49a No.14777708
>>14777627
Your post makes me think. What's the point of competitive multiplayer in a p2w environment? Skill is overshadowed by payment. It's like playing with legalized hackers.
16b773 No.14777752
>>14777708
>What's the point of competitive multiplayer in a p2w environment?
It's so the subhuman betas that have been bullied all their lives can finally enact their revenge on everyone else that didn't fork over as much money as they did and pretend they're in charge for once. Kinda like being a hotpocket basically, only that you're not doing it for free, but actually paying someone for the "privilege".
404bd4 No.14777906
>>14777708
like i said there >>14772440
SC fan all say there is nothing TO WIN. so it can't be p2w.
based on what is being made today: there is indeed nothing to win, there is ZERO competitive aspect.
again, SC aim to be a playground NOT a sandbox.
a playground game is a game where you are free to do whatever you want using the tool given to you. but the major "probleme" and what make it fundamentally diofferent from a sandbox is that all your action are meaningless.
so SC will be a game were just like in any playground: you have toys to play with (mission running, trade, racing, "exploration") almost as if you were playing a "mini game collection". Fans are excited by the
>how cool will it be to play with a group a friend and roleplay as X or Y in a multicrew ship like a star trek episode.
do i smell a faint odor of no man sky logic?
For now they are all excited, (hell some are exited to see ship have 4 bed ! .. as if they would really use them…²²) but once released, what you said about elite will be even worst here with a world much smaller and much thinner with only graphics and good machinima potential.
This is Not was was sold in the kickstarter page by DESIGN. It is not a sandbox with player driven/dynamic economy it is not "eve online, except you pilot all your ship like a space fighter and not an amiral saying "orbit X" , "folow vector Y", "approach Z", "lock in" […]"
² i guess they will since it will be all about roleplay and machinimas
Ships are lock into a role, that's why you have so many variant of the same ship
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/ships?sort=store&search=&itemType=ships&storefront=pledge&type=&mass=&manufacturer_id[]=1&length=&max_crew=&msrp=& 5 contelations (180$ each) and 5 aurora for fuck sake !
I will not be surprise to realise you can't mod your ship like in elite! because why would you? ship model are so complexe, at best you can boost the already existing module. you really think CiG would make modular ship? AH! fuck you faggot buy the other variant it's just 180$
tl;dr
no SC will nto be p2w because, sure there is nothing to win there
but that also mean SC will by design be a really shit game. even fi you ignore all the jpegs and the development, even if the game is out tomorow with all the feature: it will be shit because it is but a playground with pointless things to do and verry limited interaction between player (because safe space: "one player shouldn' t have the power to affect the playtime of another) and within the univers itself : CR want to be the god of this univers, he will want to control everything, SC's univers must advance at his pace and will. (unlike EVE or true sandbox mmo)
e84a3b No.14778545
>>14777906
>there is ZERO competitive aspect
It's a game that supposedly is going to have piracy and player killing that's selling destroyers with lifetime insurance for $2500. That's some pretty extreme pay2win even if it ends up only being in the minds of people buying the jpegs.
404bd4 No.14778622
>>14778545
no, EVERY activity is made to be done WITH friend but AGAINST >NPC< you can attack other player but there is no point in doing so unless YOU have money to throw away
playerkilling will be extremly regulated and even if you have a PK out there : piracy in PK instead of NPC will be meaningless and only bring negative concequences. (just like the division was)
you won't be abble to sell the ship with it's lifetime insurance that insurance is account bound IIRC.
Again: playground.
you sure can do all thoses thing, yes you can attack other player, but there won't be any effect for the victime.
>you have to protect the SC whales from an army of goon using small and cheap ship killing in one shop big idris and other BS expensive ship
hell,
> you have to protect the system itself, the sytem that is about manually repare each module during a fight were one of your crew roleplaying as the engineer can rush through the ship and manually repare/reboot the subsystem.
a7c988 No.14778644
>>14778545
>It's a game that supposedly is going to have piracy
>implying anyone would want to pirate a 600GB client that runs at 12fps on the highest end goyming hardware
The Idea of immersively stealing a space whale's $5000 dollar jpeg would be fun as hell if it weren't for LTI though Chris'll probably revert it to a subscription-based insurance paid with real money for even greater immersion in the near future.
4ce49a No.14778708
>>14778622
>playerkilling regulated
>account bound crap
>no piracy
>nothing to do but roleplay
Outside of machinima I cannot see the use in this garbage. Space Engine is better, it just needs a mod for character control in multiplayer.
404bd4 No.14778767
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14778708
>Outside of machinima
pretty much it. A way to do machinima after 2022 without having to use the outdated half life engine
14418b No.14782707
BRAND NEW STAR CITIZEN GAMEPLAY RELEASED
ee1597 No.14782711
>>14761217
> the budget isn't even that large taking the scope into consideration
>proceeds to compare the budget to some of the most expensive games ever made
b85d93 No.14782739
>>14775217
No, that's a .png.
4ce49a No.14782832
A thought occurs to me: do you think their netcode has a stupid format? Like, what if people reverse engineer it and make a mod to connect to private servers where all ships are free and some server scripting gives more gameplay than vanilla? Considering their general incompetence, maybe there's barely any encryption or obfuscation in their packets.
130035 No.14782854
>>14782707
>tfw you'll only ever see cargo box hauling in 30fps on video
>>14782711
The scope of SC is much larger than SWTOR or GTAV. It's not a big exaggeration to say that the full feature list essentially makes it an everything-simulator.
fa99e8 No.14783058
>>14782832
>and some server scripting gives more gameplay than vanilla
The game runs slow, because it has too many scripts/objects/events happening at the same time, and crytek engine wasn't designed for this. Chris admitted that the way it works(the crytek engine) is that if there is a cup sitting on a table, it constantly tells all the other clients that the cup exists and it isn't moving, instead of doing it, only when it moves.
727ce1 No.14783093
HEY KIDS!
LET'S MAKE SENTENCES USING THE WORDS "FOOL", "MONEY", AND "PARTED"!
4ce49a No.14783101
>>14783058
I was just saying how funny it would be if unofficial servers with free ships became a thing assuming the game launched, of course.
2db93a No.14783140
>>14782832
Apparently their netcode is this: >>14763200
Its starting to look abandoned.
fa99e8 No.14783410
>>14783140
Wait, didn't they hire some of the crytek engineers, to fix the shitty netcode?
e84a3b No.14783513
>>14782832
I'd expect it to be impressively shitty but I wouldn't bother with reverse engineering it right now as they put out job offers a while back that sounded like they were replacing their networking team so what they have now might be scrapped.
I was doing a little bit of RE on it during a free fly weekend a year or so ago and it was slow going due to frequent restarts for client crashes and memory leaks, and those restarts taking forever. Breathtaking incompetence is a better anti-tamper than Denuvo.
e84a3b No.14783517
>>14783410
I think most of the Crytek guys are technical artists. Wizards, but of the wrong magic school.
16b773 No.14783709
>>14783140
So, let me get this straight, they have built what is probably the single most important part of the game's code upon an untested networking competent made by some random nobody that gave up on it midway through development?
2db93a No.14783727
a62124 No.14790766
I had one or two ideas if this ever comes out ,I played the free weekends .If we have someone who plays SC or flight sims here I have a question , Are the flight controllers as much of an advantage as mouse vs gamepad in fps?
Infantry/Gladiator in the Arena/Some player company Black Ops-Anything where my skill from fps games can be used or be a way to make money when I learn to fly good enough to dogfight making me an even better asset to hire
But when I tested the arena on those free days , it is strange kind of laggy and stuttering even when the fps seems stable,the shooting mechanics are few and slow but not in a good way.There is leaning and 3 positions ,the only weapon that felt like actually dealing damage was the "sniper rifle" with 3 zoom variants
I loved the mentioned aspects of ,attacking a transport effecting prices of what was transported in the system/galaxy-There is a lot of ways I can imagine to use that .So the game for me would be Roleplaying ,focus on the fps gameplay mechanics with if needed use of space dogfighting
Star Citizen makes me commit the same mistake The Division used to-I spend hours talking with my brother of different tactics we could use , like clearing building where I would sneak up on players with Assault/Suppressed Pistol build and my brother covering me with Sniper Rifle
Making players surrender and taking their gear.And what did we got ,Nothing a big as pile of nothing , It was supposed to be 24/7 Dark Zone on the entire map not some grind zone
There is a lot of things that Star Citizen could do well ,but they won't ,people making games because they loved them died a long time ago
fc743a No.14798220
>>14790766
>are the flight controllers as much of an advantage
no, at least not like a year ago last time i tried out the trainwreck they pass off as a beta or whatever. binding your controls in a way that is actually effective and doesn't get in the way of your mouse and keyboard for the mandatory walking around is straight-up impossible, and even after spending a couple of literal hours fine-tuning my HOTAS setup to finally work imagine my surprise when it fucking sucked and I had more consistent and satisfying results with good old M+KB
tl;dr maybe one day but not yet
907945 No.14798318
You need a damn workstation just to play the game right now. From what I've seen the fps greatly depends on how many people are connected to your server with ~20 or less being ideal. Those are some awesome numbers for an mmo, and the server only has a few space stations a planet and some moons currently.
097583 No.14798691
Noone posted the furry interview video? On one hand I'm relieved, but on the other hand it makes me anxious to know it's still lurking somewhere, unposted.
dace45 No.14798750
>>14798318
>From what I've seen the fps greatly depends on how many people are connected to your server with ~20 or less being ideal.
Did they ever manage to get more than 25 players on the same server? For a MMO that's ridiculous.
b4ef46 No.14798820
>>14783093
>32GB RAM
>4GB VRAM
I don't get it. Wouldn't all the fidelitious high-poly 8K textured assets result in a greater VRAM requirement?
b4ef46 No.14798824
>>14798820
fug, meant to reply to >>14798318
404bd4 No.14798949
>>14798750
he could use the Murry excuse:
>Well the univers is big so the possibility to encounter another random player is small.
he could also use the elite dangerous:
>well elite too is a mmo and you do not see too many player
(except the bubble have around 100000 system with 20000 being inhabited)
but that woudl be pointless anyway: People will mostly stick to private loby and not the mmo because there is no point in it. you can't pvp or have any effect on the world.
SC is just a party game where you roleplay as a star trek crew
dace45 No.14798963
>>14798949
>SC is just a party game where you roleplay as a star trek crew
Yeah but given the JPEG economy I doubt he'll authorize mod support. It would've been fun to explore that universe with the Enterprise, the Galactica or the Bebop with a small crew.
404bd4 No.14798965
>>14763200
> they're using some untested open source trash because one of their network guys was buddies with the author.
>https://github.com/networkprotocol/yojimbo
i will need a source on that before un can laugh
10e4a3 No.14798999
>>14798986
>social groups built around imageboards
Those people proved themselves cancer the minute they joined such a group.
404bd4 No.14799021
>>14798963
>I doubt he'll authorize mod support.
it obviously won't for 3 reason (not in order)
>you can't have mod and microtransaction (cosmetic) in the same game. (once release mic rotransaction like skin will be their only source of income)
>can you even mod that shit without crashing the game? i do not beleive modding will be possible at all concidering how a mess SC is. a real Frankenstein.
>they already made a 180° turn compared to what was promised in the kickstarter campaign:
<Real quick, Star Citizen is: [skip]
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
see how far from current reality this is even if the game is released tomorow with 100% of the feature fully functionnal
< A rich universe focused on epic space adventure, trading and dogfighting in first person.
with only NPC to interact with.
< Mod-able multiplayer (hosted by YOU)
As i said: impossible
< No Subscriptions
ahah https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/subscriptions
< No Pay to Win
[insert jpeg.meme.jpg]
see how far from current reality this is even if the game is released tomorow with 100% of the feature fully functionnal
< Fully dynamic economy driven by player actions
i think he just found the joke of the year.
what is even more hillarious is that SC as of 2018 is a real, 100% copy/past and replay of what freelancer developpment was. well aside from the graphics
(30mb webm, i am to lazy to compress so do it yourself
http://webm.land/media/00Bw.webm
3e7dc1 No.14799029
>>14799021
>subscriptions
>for a game in fucking alpha
This is the greatest con of our time.
404bd4 No.14799061
>>14763200
wait until you see the price of that said subscription
a8d750 No.14799096
>>14761019
It'd be cool space sim if it ever got finished, bug free, and was reasonably priced, but none of those are going to be reality.
Better off playing Elite Dangerous if you want your space sim fix.
a9e3fc No.14799895
>>14761217
>APB
>100 million dollars
dear god
ff5481 No.14799916
day i can spend a lot of hours (9+) on good story is the day i pick this up
until then fuck off
e66e0e No.14799936
How would things even look like once they run out of cash? I mean, I can imagine there would be the usual apologetic blogpost with about "great ambitions" and "technical difficulties" and how terribly sorry they are, but could they just go "lol, nope" and shut down the development without any sorts of legal hassle?
9a0054 No.14800119
>>14761066
B-but anon that jpeg is worth thousands, you're just giving it away?!
3ca457 No.14800136
This game will never come out and i fully expect people to kill themselves when the entire thing comes crashing down.
9a0054 No.14800166
>>14763312
The shit these people write is like something someone trying to pay off a mob boss would pen.
e63218 No.14800172
Anyone that spends money on this deserves to be gassed.
9a0054 No.14800225
>>14772831
It has less shit on its 'planets' than NMS
9a0054 No.14800334
>>14798820
Am I correct in seeing this image as just some dumb cunt who assumed 'everything' would be installed on a new laptop, failing to realise this and then paying some fat neckbeard to do the most basic shit imaginable?
9a0054 No.14800380
>>14799902
>dat gun glitch wobble
Yeah this will never be playable
158b16 No.14800396
>>14783101
There used to be a way to do a private server with unlocked ships using cheat engine. But then they changed a bunch of stuff from client to server side.
158b16 No.14800417
>>14799936
My guess would be that first they would rush out a buggy half finished Squadron 42 "part 1" in the hopes of lureing in new money from the people who have been fence sitting this whole time waiting for something real to release. Then, try milking a few more jpg sales from the whales as they can now point at something and say "see, we really are working on it, just give us another money shot", then once that runs out they finally crash.
158b16 No.14800464
>>14800417
And then Amazon swoops in, buys up the project and releases star citizen and microtransaction ridden free2play game for whatever is the next generation of consoles. Soon after releasing a whole new wave of ships that are significantly better than than the jpgs that CIG sold in order to force a semi-clean slate so as to not scare away the new customers.
7a1f5d No.14804178
>>14761019
>Technically speaking, what do you think of Star Citizen's development?
It's a mess but for two very different reasons.
>1)Sycophantic fans
No matter how late or how buggy an update is, there will be a wall of vocal fans expressing how great all things SC is. I've been in amateur game development, it is normal with a occasional delay due to real life or an unexpected bottleneck. But that should be the exception not the rule. Updates from SC has consistently been both late and less than what they promised. If vocal fans got together and demanded a refund if Roberts doesn't shape up, I'm sure we'd see some sort of development.
>2)Roberts himself
Roberts needs to stop promising new features and new ships. His fans and the devs around him are giving him too much space, put a leash and muzzle on the dude. Ideally, a new product manager would step in and slap Roberts out of the picture.
>>14800417
>they would rush out a buggy half finished Squadron 42
In the perfect world, this product manager would go: "Right, everything SC is on hold and every asset, mechanic, and sound effect is now going towards S42." Once S42 is in a finished and shippable state development on SC could start. This would do an awful lot to deter detractors + the assets from S42 could still be used in SC, including gameplay mechanics. The biggest problem would be, and still is, the networking it seems.
0781ec No.14804303
>hire only personal friends
>key positions in company is for close friends and relatives
>no skill required
I'm pretty sure a company like this will work out just fine.
0279c4 No.14804372
>>14800417
I don't understand why they aren't making Squadron 42 first, as a proof of concept and to show that they have the talent to do something great.
2db93a No.14804379
>>14804372
it doesn't pull in any money.
703bb4 No.14804425
>>14804372
>>14804379
That and the simple fact is that they're so far behind on development that, aside from adding in new ships and weapons (which admittedly some of which will be used in SQ42), they're actually still working on the basic game mechanics that will be in *both games*. They're not even seriously far enough along that they even have a need to split up development focus yet.
All the major things they've been working on over the last few patches are things that they would need for SQ42 just as much as SC. Planetary landings, a menu screen, a crude atmospheric flight system, ground assault vehicles, cock pit interactions, the ability to grab items off the ground and then properly stow then in a ship for take off without it wrecking the ship's physics grid. They are even further behind than even the critics think they are.
47894a No.14804444
Technically speaking, what do you think of my dubs?
a44c24 No.14805135
>>14761019
GTA5 is a complete game that spent far less on development though.