/v/ - Video Games

Also BBTAG opening. Can't wait to try the game saturday since I'll probably won't buy until a sale

>>14759039

Fucking RWBY over Guilty Gear always gives me a mind fuck.

Hopefully the sequel will have Guilty Gear, Dragon Ball, JoJo's and Star Trek to compensate.

Did the thread bump?

>Crosstag has Steam page now

It's less jewish than before, but I'm not buying if there's no Adachi or Terumi. There has to be both.

>>14759285

>Guilty Gear

>Dragon Ball

>JoJo

>Star Trek

One of these is not like the others.

>>14759384

>Piccolo got his own daily dose

>>14759344

>>14759369

>star trek in cross tag 2: the sequel

>it's abramstrek

>>14759322

Western franchise with a diverse roster of characters in a single franchise. I would've said Star Wars if not for Disney.

>>14759401

Don't joke about that

>>14759863

It's gonna be a single 10-draw. Person with the most SSRs wins.

>>14760047

Teen Gohan and/or Adult Gohan should be on the team then. Bardock is good but Yamcha isn't made to stay in front of people since he mainly has to rely on cross-ups to deal a lot of damage. You'll also want an assist to hold people still or make people not want to press a button like Kid Buu, Gotenks, Vegeta, Piccolo, or Blue Vegeta. A long blockstring character usually has great normals and moves to reset pressure so Gotenks would mainly just be there for assists so I would take him out.

Personally, I would go with A-Gohan, Bardock, and Vegeta. If you don't want to use Vegeta because everyone else uses him then use T-Gohan or Kid Buu. Trunks also plays very well with T-Gohan's combos. His command grab super will also add to a team that makes people want to block all day.

>>14760230

That's surprising because this video shows Gotencks has a ton of pressure tools from what I've seen.

Teen Gohan sounds fun though, how about Teen Gohan, Kid Buu, Bardock?

>>14760247

whoops forgot the vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY_1S1YCwVM&t=225s

>>14760247

>>14760249

That vid does show some great pressure but the problem is he costs a lot of meter to keep his pressure going. Both Gohans don't need much meter to keep people locked down but it looks like he has similar high-low block strings like the Gohans.

Also I think that team is fine. You'll just have to rely less on assists continuing combos and more for holding people down.

Has this been posted here, ever?

>>14758996

>Gunvolt

Now Quote is here too. What's happening with these reveals?

>>14760405

>A furry smash clone

makes sense as the smash community is full of furries. meh, if it ever comes out might be cool

>>14760514

It's a smash clone, it is doomed to failure cause you can't play as your favorite nintendie character.

>>14760405

looks like a fusion of grand chase/elsword with smash

>>14760533

that's what I've thought, too. shame, because the gameplay looks snappy and it's actually 3D unlike every other clone ever

>>14759369

>It's a "how Rock Howard is not in KOF ever since 1999?" case.

Fuck Rock Howard.

>Shatner and Umi

so he's gonna fight Okada at the next WK?

>>14760405

<another smash function with furries

<kickstarter

<it's just Jin and Ky

>2hu projectile mechanics

Are these autists not aware of why Smash is popular?

>>14760490

You know, with all these cross over characters, I'm really wondering how hard Nicalis has the devs by the balls. It wouldn't surprise me if they fucked them hard with their contract, and are forcing them to do things against their will.

Anyone got those Max videos of him getting his shit kicked as Baiken?

>>14761087

No, but I'm still annoyed they changed the block counters to the press buttons counter.

>>14760405

>>14760550

I posted it a couple times when they were crowdfunding on Fig (lol) last year. It's a neat idea for a smash clone, and the projectile system in particular reminds me of that 2hu game with a million projectiles and a card system, but I think Slap City has proven it's better to build such a game for casual fun rather than tourney tryhards.

That said, I think they blew their load on the character designs with the dog main character: he looks like a protagonist and there's enough detail in his design to make me visually interested in his story. The Ky Kiske/Meta Knight rabbit is a neat concept, but his animations are awful and he's very hard to predict because his sword is ramrod straight at all times and his stubby arms make it jump everywhere whenever he attacks.

Remind me to post the other character pictures I saved, because they're awful.

>>14761420

They'd honestly look better than BB sprites. The 90s style has so much more detail and character than the animu trash BB emulates. Like, look at Ragna: half of his body is just solid black, and most of the rest is solid red with barely any ruffle of the fabric.

>>14761534

What's wrong with those character concepts? Look fine to me.

I don't know how the balance is but from training mode of MKX I feel like this game actually has very different playstyles and some creativity in combos. A shame about the animations though

Also it really pisses me off that Japanese devs don't use better netcode

How do I find out the delay on my monitor?

I'd like to think I'm shit at fighting games because my old IPS monitor reacts too slow

>>14761894

I once played a guy at Tekken 3 in the arcade who would do nothing but pick Law and spam flip kicks. Just mash both kick buttons to do the double flip. That was hit. That was his strategy, his entire gameplan.

It was so fucking boring and shit, I actually felt bad for kicking his ass.

>>14761807

Oh no, another Street Fighter, Art of Fighting, King of Fighters, Arcana Hearts! Why won't my budget increase?!?

>>14761894

I will never understand flowcharters. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but either way both players are dragged down to the same braindead level and nobody learns anything. What's the point?

Why can't I mash one button after another for it to chain instead of having to 'time' it. fighting games make no sense

FIGHT!

>>14761515

Thanks.

>>14761894

UNIEL was new and for some reason I thought I could people in the fg group here interested in it. Only two people bothered to play and one did nothing but auto-combo with one hand while constantly scratching his face, saying the game is too easy/hard or whatever while the other tried and whined that my character was OP. I didn't let any of those fuckers get a round and I regret even bothering when all they can be bothered to play is Capcom crap and the occasional Tekken.

>>14763085

Ruby's was a reference to the end of this fight, at 3:20.

>>14763130

OK, I figured it must've been some sort of fanservice, hence why it was underwhelming. I'll stick to my moon cracking I think.

>>14763237

Agreed, some of them are pretty lazy or bad, no argument there. I was just expecting something a little cooler from the RWBY cast simply because they're a key selling point for the game. But oh well.

>>14763155

>it must've been some sort of fanservice, hence why it was underwhelming.

It's perfect. Making a callback to a scene that Monty Oum animated, but with shitty, underwhelming animation, is the best possible shorthand for the current state of RWBY.

>>14763237

What if different characters recovered from different hits at different rates? I notice that there's all sorts of wind-up, recovery, etc for the attacker, but the defender always resolves into "stun".

Why not have a tanky character that isn't slowed by jabs at all? Or maybe an acrobatic character that is only half stun duration from low sweeps, etc?

>>14764660

can't wait for cuphead, hat kid and yooka-laylee :^)

>>14764604

At least they finally showed Quote and not just Curly Brace. I was wondering when he would show up.

>>14761393

Star Trek should've been picked over RWBY tho

>>14764797

well. he is the only indie character that managed to stick out and people can recognize

>>14764604

is steakmund still mad meat boy didn't get into smash?

>>14764731

Oh he will, they still pump him into any indie game.

>>14764855

Post more Taki.

>>14764604

I think people already forgot about this.

>>14764925

Only faggots cause trouble, you're not a faggot anon.

>>14765075

none of those are from anyone Nicalis is butt buddies with. Hell Momodora has ties to Nicalis' mortal enemy

>>14764132

Because that would be cancer at worst (good luck fighting GGXX Baiken with anything but your fastest, safest normals spaced 100% optimally) and not meaningfully different from super amour at best.

>>14764604

Man, that game isn't any good and Isaac is so tiny and stubby half his moves will be headbutts and full-body kicks. Unless he's a super gimmicky projectile/summon character, he won't even be indie trash with cool gameplay - he'll just be indie trash.

>>14765075

Transistor was mediocre, but there's a LOT of potential with Red and her functions (heh).

>>14764921

>forgot about it.

I don't think most people even heard of it. This is the first I've seen of it.

>on fig.

Already a scam. Also, being inspired by smash isn't going to make it succeed in the long run. Just see Playstation All-Stars. Maybe it'll be forgotten when it releases like Them's Fightin' Herds.

>>14765175

Care to explain that mortal enemies stuff? You mean Playism?

>>14765269

Yeah, Playism cucked them out of Pixel's future games and Nicalis was looking into Neo Aquarium but Playism beat them to the punch which raked them in a bunch of money along with Ace of Seafood.

So now Nicalis doesn't try to do any cross promotion shit with them out of spite despite trying to dip their fingers in everyone's pie.

>>14758996

>Blade Strangers

Holy hell, that game looks like ass.

>>14765307

>"Yeah, Playism cucked them out of Pixel's future games"

I liked Playism before (they usually push for more Linux games and DRM-Free stuff) but this is awesome. It was nice to have Kero Blaster without jewry.

don't give nicalis ANY money

>>14764921

>shitty smash bros clone

nobody will buy it

>>14765814

I should proofread my posts more instead of adding stuff I remember while I browse on the web

Have an explanation on how combos work in DOA5.

>>14764921

I'm glad I'm not an epileptic.

>>14764132

Characters in GGXrd have individual wake up times. Probably the closest thing you'll get.

>>14766594

They've had that in all GG games, not just Xrd.

>>14766605

Normalfags don't know of anything but Z, it's such a shame. A DB fighting game would be fun and the power levels had not gotten so retarded.

>>14766831

Expanding on this: Species 8472 would probably be the final boss although that's up for debate. I'd have at least 3 characters from each species in Trek if I could. I'd stick to the original series, Next Generation, and DS9 as far as picking content goes. I think Trek is a good series for a fighting game simply because most of the characters are just going to be a human with a few buffs. Trek was famous for "head bump" aliens. That makes it easy to program though and you don't have anything in there too crazy to fuck up the balance and make it unbelievable. Also, if I were making it I wouldn't let Wil Wheaton anywhere near the project but I would include him as a Joke character so people could beat the hell out of it.

If such a game doesn't exist I predict it'll be created in MUGEN before too long. I don't know how much crossover there is between Trekkies and the FGC but Trekkies are ever bit as autistic as we are. I'd actually put them out there way beyond even the Smash toddlers. Trekkies are so autistic that they've been known to carry on hours long conversations in Klingon.

>>14759352

whittu piggu~~

Gaijin!

>>14759537

How many levels of irony?

Posting Italian memes on an English imageboard obsessed with moonland. I like berlusconi though.

>>14760405

It's like Super SmahBrothers, but for faggots!

>>14766605

remind me, what movie was this the intro for?

>>14766931

Movie 3 - Mystical Adventure. It's the best of the lot.

>>14766948

Thanks. Honestly I probably should watch OG DB. I just gotta get around to pirating it first.

>>14766872

Meds and the Nihongos are not at odds.

>>14766965

They're pretty good. They're all re-tellings of the main arcs from the show with a different take on them. Blue is even kind of a good guy in the Movie 3. There's also more beautiful scenery and places they go to.

I cant do the trials

Should I just craiglist my stick and never touch fighting games again?

This clean basics:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=B36CqY-N0LU

O.Ryu → → → ← Jab/Fierce

ST had diagonal jump mp xx tatsu cancel?

See 5:55min mark

Why is finding a character/finding a new character so hard

>>14768872

Can confirm, this is exactly the way I choose my mains.

>>14768952

I hope Hayate makes it in the eventual last KoF XIV pack since they're gonna have to throw in an extra character into the pack cause there is only 3 characters left in the old datamine

>>14768990

Frankly, I would like to see characters from Maximum Impact back.

>>14769169

Hinako was already in the datamine and I rather have Ryuhaku than Kasumi

>>14766609

What if I want to beat them with my masssive headpats?

>>14770147

Because for some retarded reason they didn't give her the slut empress outfit she has for the group photo. And yeah, someone forgot to add her while she showed up in the first one. Which clown though?

>Nasuverse has a history of fightan games in UC and MB

>introduces a bunch of new fist fighters like Martha and Beowulf

>is guaranteed to make money on any game that it puts out

>still only releasing shitty arcade game, musous, and mobileshit

Just fuck my shit up, fam.

>>14759344

>>14759344

Star Trek fighting game would be a miracle. It would most likely be a horrible miracle, but it would be hilarious in how bad it was.

>>14761393

>>14759285

RWBY makes a decent amount of sense, in that the characters in theory lend themselves well to a fighting game. It makes zero sense in the fact that it sucks absolute ass.

>>14762292

That's what cancels are for. You might like KoF XIII and Melty Blood: Actress Again

>>14770266

I'd love to see French Bread work with TM again just for that. Hell give me more FB games that aren't UNIEL, there's something that I just can't find appealing about it.

>>14770577

I just wanna hear what c732b8 has to say

>>14770577

on the bright side, at least he's not gonna be in Smash Dicks.

>>14770643

Yes, they would've saved him for Smash Cocks if he was.

>>14770566

Of course Shovel Slut finds his way into yet another game because the devs need to be carried by his name. I thought the game was going to be neat but they added Isaac so it can fuck off.

>>14770566

>shovel kike

pretty gay. Still has a better cast than smash.

>>14770685

if only PC gamers bought umihara kawase, then we wouldn't be in this situation

>>14770566

So why do people like Shovel Knight so much, anyway? It's probably the most overrated indie game in recent memory. More than Undertale tbh.

>>14770685

>NICALIS SHOVELING IN OTHER PROPERTIES TO ELEVATE THEIR BRAND

FTFY

>>14770685

damn, I was hoping for a "I called it" moment. it's cool.

>>14771244

It can't really be a I called it moment when it was something everyone knew it was gonna happen.

It's like saying "I bet that water is wet"

>>14770566

The Lightning of indie games

>>14770566

>human proportioned shovel knight

neat

i'm looking forward to watching a few videos of this on youtube for that and then completely forgetting this game existed

>>14771661

…..oh

For Blaz Blue tag, who are the zoners aside from Nu-13? I'm a Dr. Doom/Magneto/Hawkeye main from Marvel.

>>14770566

INDIE MEME OFF

INDIE

MEME OFF

>>14771972

Just do it and kick Shovel Knight's ass with her.

>>14764604

>>14764660

>>14764678

>>14764688

>>14764797

>>14764822

>>14764877

>>14764889

>>14764890

>>14765403

>>14760490

>>14760783 I said exactly this 3 months ago

>>14770566

>>14770577

>>14770763

>>14770768

>>14770921

>>14771640

>>14771661

>>14771664

>>14771867

>>14771972

HEY GUYS, HAVE YOU SEEN MY NEW IKEMEN GAME?!?

>>14759285

>>14759322

There're programs for that.®

>>14764921

you're cool!

>>14765386

Legit the only smartest post of the entire thread.

>>14770566

Fucking hell.

>>14771661

>>14771694

If memory serves the games roster is complete, with 4 Code of Princess characters, 3 Umihara Kawase characters, 2 original characters, and 5 guests (5 too many). Hopefully the game isn't successful so there's no DLC because that would definitely just be more meme guest characters.

It still is so disappointing to see what was supposed to be a celebration of Studio Saizensen's history and game productions turned into such an awful monster of a game. I can only hope they learned the same hard lesson every other Japanese dev that has made the mistake of partnering with Nicalis has learned and for their next project they don't repeat the mistake. Maybe one day someone will actually spread the word across the Japanese doujinsoft scene so we don't need to see this same sad story happen over and over again.

>>14771972

Di you use the monkey paw for a hand job again, anon?

KoF is more focused on close fighting than SF and most other 2d fgs right?

>>14773811

I think so due to how many movement options that make zoning difficult but the footsie game isn't as strong as SF. The lack of air dashing and many zoning tools does make it more close range than many other fighters though. You definitely won't have a haduken fest in KoF nor will you have a bunch of time outs with people constantly aerial backdashing.

>>14774247

What KOF are we talking about? Because XIII/XIV zoning pales in comparison to Chizuru's bullshit in '98 or Athena's everything in 2002.

>>14774247

that is because athena has good zoningas part of her character. the constant "SAIKO BORU" makes things even worse

>>14774283

what in XIV does not pale in comparison to older titles? almost everyone feels unfinished

>>14772894

They just released an extended version of the opening with all the new characters so it looks like there won't be any more guest characters, thank god.

>>14773811

It really depends on which one you play. KOF98 allows for a lot of classic zoning styles to still work relatively well, and jumping back even allows you to air block so running away can work too. KOF02UM (I don't play vanilla 02) also has times where both players don't want to approach and are moving at fullscreen feigning approaches (generally using hop normals) which also controls space.

More modern games are a lot more focused on close range, though, since from KOFXI to XIII projectiles were really bad and your hop hitbox was really good, so moving closer to your opponent was almost always a good idea.

KOFXIV doesn't have godawful anti-airs and projectiles (though they're not what they once were), but is still pretty heavily close ranged since a MAX-cancelled poke can instantly move someone into the other player's face for a mix-up or hitconfirm. Due to that inherent lack of safety of being in your opponents poke range, there are times, similar to 02UM, where you want to stay outside of that range and more safely control space using hop normals and the like.

>>14774350

XIII and XiV*.

small correction

>>14774341

That's why you should space your jumps with the different types presented in the game and learn safe jumps along to when to roll. Outdated video but it's just to get an idea. Also you should be extra careful in XIV to jump over fireballs when your opponent has meter since he can pretty super cancel and if it's someone like Mai or Andy with access to their Climax, you're fucked if you try to jump. On the other hand, Just Defend gives lots of meter and many ranbu supers and most SDMs are now projectile invul so you can just fuck him over by just blocking a little. In XIII(and XI), meterless anti airs are usually pretty shit so just keep doing hops.

Characters in KOF are not usually made thinking in balance but in how easy/hard to play and to fill a niche. That's why you can have better (((functions))) for the roles on your team at higher levels. '98 is a pretty good example of the top tiers with each representing different playstyles.

>>14774350

>>14774371

More freedom in combos and a lot easier to perform your inputs with a better and more lenient input reader and lots of shortcuts.

>>14774365

>looks like there won't be any more guest characters

So Quote is a guest but Curly is not? I know this is Nicalis, but that's still fucked up.

>>14774604

>make them small too, or make a way for people to understand where is the hitbox on it.

fireballs aren't small because of visual cue. good luck find a game where the fireball's visuals match its hitbox. in street fighter they tend to be taller than they look

>>14774604

The hitboxes on fireballs were bigger at release but they toned down a lot after people bitching on twitter and facebook in 1.04 (I think). I can't imagine what '98 would feel for these guys who are probably the same who complains saying stuff like "how good KOF was in my old times and not this unbalanced mess".

Also, I hate how fireballs don't clash in Mortal Kombat ever since the first ones. While fireballs in KOF are mostly for zoning and pressure, you have different takes depending on the character and game. Athena's EX Psycho Ball in XIV can work as a wall going slowly toward the opponent making great for mixups, her Psycho Shoot in NESTS and MI games sent the opponent sky rocket making it great for juggling. Lin was basically reptile with spits and even had poison damage. Mai's EX fan if hits of blocked, goes upward and then falls in the head of the opponent hitting again. Bao himselft is a fireball making people think Blanka was not so bad after all. Malin set traps in the stage. Whip in XIV has a totally invincible ball if she does her reflect move and so on.

Let's not forget Magaki being a Tohou final boss too.

>>14774615

more freedom in combos doesn't excuse them. I can accept lack of time and basing the character of XIII to save it. but many character are at a clear disadvantage which is why everyone outside of the top tier got buffed in 3.0.

because it was clear that many character didn't work in the game at all. like how in 2003 and XI, some of them got outright removed because the tag system would make them too good ot pure garbage

>he thought there would only be one nicalis crossover fighter

>he thought nicalis wouldn't get the rights to sodomize astro boy

Is Neo Geo Battle Coliseum on PS2 worth it for $15?

>>14774941

Game is a bit weird but if you like tag games and less known SNK characters you'll probably like it. I have it here along with KOFXI and NeoWave since I couldn't emulate the arcade games at time and only XI was released on the PS3

>>14774788

While the things I didn't like in XIV all pretty much came from XIII like Mai and Maxima's movesets and changes like universal rolls and universal "max cancel approach" made the game much better for lower tier characters, I don't think the game was worse in that regard as games like 2002 where Chin can't do shit or earlier games where the top tiers were so busted like '96 or you have to rely in the general absurd damage and/or infinties in '97 and '98 to make things viable.

And I don't agree with the "tag system would make them(characters) too good ot pure garbage" to their removal. Many existing ones were completely changed like Athena, Kensou and Robert or toned down in some areas like Whip and King so they could work in the new system that prioritizes more hops and close combat with juggles. They just wanted Malin to replace Choi and shunned the Elioth characters for that time being.

>>14775046

Full tag, but more in line with Kizuna Encounter and SFxT where the match ends if one character dies.

>>14761515

I'm by no means a baiken main from the XX days. But I did play around with her and I miss her Hanafuda cards if only for that rare chance I have the meter to use one and just tatami mat spam a guy after the one that removes their ability to block.

How is new Baiken?

>>14775041

yeah. giving a universal route is good. but the changes in the characters makes them bad thanks to the lack of moveset tools to help them with the main rules of the game. if the characters had those missing moves XIV would be a lot closer to tekken in terms of different in power. You just have to look at the characters, their playstyle, and moveset to see they would suck in 2003 and XI or be hella good. the changes they did to the cast to fit in the new ruleset ruinned majority of cast or made them too good. because you are playing ghetto marvel vs capcom . the newcomers and popular veterans worked really well in those games because they were made for that type of rules and were well crafted while the rest of the cast got big middle finger of lazyness

>>14775196

Well, the Johnny Turbo's Arcade releases are from Flying Tiger Entertainment. FTE is a Californian company founded in 1998 by John Brandstetter.

>>14775354

What aspects make it better than FighterZ?

>>14775354

thanks to the unga bunga everyones has the matches are also really fast. i really like that high damage

Why did Capcom get rid of special move cancels on Ryu's 2HK? Baffling….

The move I learn ST, the more that SF4 feels like Onoo's ST update…

>>14772996

At least SNK learned after NISA lost their buyer's credit card info. I doubt Nicalis is going to learn anything outside of "People buy games just for meme cameos".

Is the cross tag beta only on Japanese consoles?

>>14776388

What other rumors were there? This is the first time I've heard about this.

>>14776388

>Garou 2 when?

I too would like to know. How many people even care about Garou? I never see anybody mention it.

>>14776321

PS4 only and it's just up earlier for people that pre-ordered, everyone else with a ps4 can play it on the 12th.

>>14776442

There's a Garou tournament at Toryuken in Canada next weekend, which I'm entering due to SNK's $600 pot bonus. Apparently people play it, although I admit no SNK games are really popular in my region.

>>14776321

>>14776452

I played it on my Switch in the US.

The Joycons are surprisingly better for fighting games than regular controllers. They don't beat Arcade Sticks, but they're not terrible. The short travel distances for those tiny thumbsticks probably out help a lot.

*Sticks>JoyCon>>Controller>K&M>>>>>Fightpad*

https://archive.is/Ys5LZ

I don't think they'll do an Evo Japan again

>>14776765

i forgot how to spoiler smh

>>14776442

It's my favorite game but hardly anyone plays it. My arcade has it and everyone just passes it buy to play Tekken and SF3. I've camped the machine for hours hoping for a match and no one will play with me. When my friend comes we sometimes draw a few spectators but no one ever wants to play. Can't get anyone to play KoF in there either or anything anime. I only see cucks with their girlfriends playing on Stylish mode when the GG machine is in use.

>>14777003

Sometimes I wish I lived near an arcade that actually had a decent line up of games then I remember that this kind of shit would likely happen.

>>14775763

It's already pretty damn scrubby. Forced auto-combos as your only means of attack outside of specials? And you're saying DBFZ is MORE scrubby than that?

>>14778488

The guy is retarded but CTB has more depth to it than you think. The crazy tag mechanics make up for the autocombos.

>>14772335

really fucking glad i'm not the only one that feels this way. i want to buy the game and support saizensen but it's just so… shit. first they silently delay the game for a year, then it turns out the reason why is so they turn it into "indie smash bros"

and there are people out there just eating it up.

>>14778538

>makes up for the autocombos

Fuck that! Not everyone had Ragna's God Kick! Plenty of them could have their strategies set to have 5C attacks thrown out there with no problems. But I can't do that in this game, because I can't use the old 5Cs without first connecting a 5B.

WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT?

>>14778556

i just told you the point is the tag mechanics

just play normal blazblue if you want to play normal blazblue, dude. this game isn't replacing it.

>>14778548

> first they silently delay the game for a year, then it turns out the reason why is so they turn it into "indie smash bros"

That wasn't the whole reason for the delay; saizensen had a umihara stream with Degica a month before E3 where they hinted at their next project (which turned out to be blade strangers) and said that it won't be ready to show a presentable early build until August. Well Nicalis didn't like that and forced them to push out a rushed choppy build in june so Nicalis could get that free E3 advertising. The games was barely in it's infancy when announced; the delay was not really a delay but actual regular game development time.

>>14778591

>NISA secured a localization of another game.

The SNK 40th anniversary collection

>>14778594

>If you're talking about SNK 40th it's being done by the same guy who did the Street Fighter 30th Anniversary.

And NISA is handling the western release.

good thing i buy all of my games straight from glorious nippon and don't have to worry about localization bullshit

>>14778600

>>14778598

But I'm talking about the original and localization:

http://www.mmcafe.com/cgi-bin/forums/bbs/messages/13684.shtml#80356

http://www.mmcafe.com/cgi-bin/forums/bbs/messages/13660.shtml#79705

>>14778612

NISA is still profiting off it and handling the distribution. Distribution and promotion is still part of localization, it's still SNK partnering with NISA again.

>>14778591

>I'd rather have AoF4.

>Implying AOF4 wouldn't be a Garou Densetsu prequel with the journey of a young Geese rise into power and his rivalry with Jeff plus not so old Jubei.

and battle nuns

>>14778673

>I remember the freaking bird. And they could not even animate the bird being hit or something. Hell, why a bird could be hit by a fireball and not fell anything, but Nakoruru would be damaged?

If you want the in canon explanation, Nakoruru in XIV is a spirit of nature who can travel through time and dimensions going from the XVIII century to the pachislot worlds to recruit Love and MuiMui and present time searching for Mizuki inside Verse. Mamahaha is just a familiar summoned by her like you can see in Heroines.

Now if you want the real one, devs were just having "too much fun" with her: http://www.mmcafe.com/news/posts/10217.html

Funny how Nakoruru is similar to Rock on how she's usually pretty shit in her games despite being one of the most popular characters SNK ever conceived to the point of being an official mascot along with Terry one time. Her best "viable" appearance was in CvS2 before XIV where even with all the nerfs she's still one the best characters since she basically plays Samurai Shodown in a KOF game.

>came from a company that was basically re learning how to make fighting games

The programmers and battle planner might be all new blood but the higher ups like the producer, Oda who worked in almost all SFIV iterations, Neo_G who has 3rdStrike and CvS2 in his resumé plus old Garou Densetsu staff like artists and sound team. But you can tell none of those games have "balance" in their minds before "fun". Even one of the most criticized aspects of the game, MAX Canceling normals, was made to try to help the balance so even lower tier would have chance to land big damaging combos not saying I agree with it although harder time than higher tier characters with great cr.B/far.D normals and damaging supers.

>>14778654

>simulation of what you might call cheap tactics and how to deal with them.

Well, still on KOF, what are you talking about? I hope I made myself clear in the fireball thing: "Just block and punish when close".

Now one of the things new people have lots of trouble is the neutral game that they try to play like Street Fighter and get fucked. Jump CDs being the most common factor but in general, you need to anticipate and do your antiair sometimes is another air normal, block or roll out of it to get back to a neutral game. Juicebox has a decent video related.

Now if you're dealing with '98 Chris, that's another story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNgYATIQF5E&t=332s

As for hops on the DS4, I usually just tap the analog stick. For hyper hops, use the dpad to do a fast db,uf,d. I might want to try to work on a "How to KOF" for new people and not those shit "If you come from Street Fighter, play these" and so on. I'm impresed how many don't even know the basic general combo flowchart.

>>14778771

I will try to play but can only later today. Have to take care of some stuff.

>>14779121

garou 2 would actually have fun mechanics though

Behead yourselves stick users, only hitboxes and keyboards are acceptable.

>>14779803

>no saturn controller

>>14779803

joycon's D pad works exactly like the keyboard's keys. no fear of pressing left of right and getting a 9, 7, 1 or 3 like in standard controllers

>>14779827

isn't that basically a fightpad?

>>14779871

yeah, but the joysticks are god-like for inputs compared to regular controllers

>>14779934

yes but it's not shit

>>14779819

>cuckboard user

go write a paper faggot

>>14779569

Personally I think the stamina gauge is an underrated mechanic.

>gives use to taunting

>every move counts, as spamming gets your gauge empty and leaves you wide open

>super-like moves right off the bat a la Tekken but they're slow most of the time

With some tweaking, the AoF system could be done much better with the right amount of tweaking. Also SBFP fags need to hang, AoF3 wasn't as bad as they suggest because they're fucking retards as to how the game is supposed to play.

>>14780157

>SBFP

How is AoF3 supposed to play? It really did seem like moves had insane priority on the animations.

>>14780157

SBFP don't know how to play 90% of fighting games tbh. It's mostly:

>mash buttons

>yell when something interesting happens

>repeat for 30-60 minutes.

so who do i have to kill for SNK Heroines to have high/lows and crossups

>>14780204

>>14780184

AoF3 basically plays like a VF or Tekken in a 2D plane, has lots of launchers/juggles and OTGs.

>>14780414

Who do I kill to stop niggers talking about fundamentals, fucking Dragonball and footsies?

>>14780451

You answered your own question, anon.

>>14781584

Just keep scrolling through the store page of Cross Tag, the demo will appear eventually

Watching the Tekken tournament in Rome atm and they said there's an announcement after this, what the fuck are they planning to announce after this small ass tournament?

>>14784258

free Hookers and Blow.

**Kazuma Kiryu joins the roster.*

Does anyone here have a link for those Korean KOF 98 combo videos with Ryo vs Ralf? I really forgot the name of the player who made those.

>>14785243

They simply need to be easy to pick up and the game has to give the player the tools and knowledge to get better. Skullgirls, UNIST, and GGXrd do this very well. However with DBFZ the game was dumbed down for casuals while the meta actually makes it very hard for casuals who go against anyone that knows a little about the game. And once they get the casual into the corner it's over. Usually it's an execution problem but all this has done is lower the amount of moves characters have now. I'm all for easier execution as complicated moves are horrible if there is any sort of lag but lowering the moveset to make everything easier only hampers the gameplay.

Despite using Koihime as an example earlier, it also doesn't teach you how the game actually works. It's a very casual game with a decent skill ceiling but you have to find tutorials online on how the game works. It's one of those games where you can't really see how it works until you actually play it.

>>14785373

I don't know why SFIV does get recommended to beginners so much when SF2, SFEX+A, and KoF98 are much better for beginners of the genre. MK9 barely plays like any other fighter so transferring what you learned in that game to others isn't easy.

>>14785551

>>14785513

SFIV is an input-lagging piece of shit, I wouldn't recommend it local or online.

>>14785513

>I don't know why SFIV does get recommended to beginners so much when SF2, SFEX+A, and KoF98 are much better for beginners of the genre

Muh cinematics and a lack of muh outdated pixel grayfix, mostly; same reason install supers are a system mechanic in SFV. Normalfags understand the concept of an install super, but they don't understand why you could super cancel into Aegis Reflector.

>>14785719

>you will never be able to go back in time and stop Monte from marrying his whore of a wife and being killed by her

>>14785748

yfw Monty's ideas for mechanics are more interesting than what's actually in the game

Any hopes for character additions? RWBY currently has no males or antagonists, so I'd be happy to see Mercury. And to fight to I'm the One.

Why is every recording of this fight on YouTube absolute ass quality?

>>14785243

Apart from shitty DLC practice, which is still a pretty big understatement, I feel like Dead or Alive 5 did this pretty well because of the Rock(Strike)-Paper(Hold)-Scissors(Throw) system. I haven't it played in forever, but there's not much to learn, and once you go deeper into the mechanics and moveset of each character, you can go absolutely crazy.

It's too bad the franchise still has the stigma of being only good for fanservice.

>>14786112

It's also bad that the franchise is officially dead by the developers.

>>14786384

They said that only DOA5 was done with development. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but this "interview" from April got my hopes up for the franchise just a little bit, even if the translation is terrible. http://archive.is/QY8m2

>>14785551

I recommended EX+A because of how important footsies and spacing are in that game. Combos aren't long either. It's just a solid game overall.

>>14785596

Never really cared for SF4 personally. Most of the characters feel boring and I didn't care for how the game flowed. The games having Ultras also made a trap for new players only focusing on using their Ultra to win.

>>14786112

Things get crazy once you figure out the different kinds of stun, unique environmental combos, weight classes, and all sorts of conditioning to make the enemy do what you want. It turned out to be a very good fighter.

>It's too bad the franchise still has the stigma of being only good for fanservice.

These are the same faggots that will only stick to Capcom fighters and complain about the "Dark Ages" whenever Capcom screws up.

>>14786994

RWBY's writing is shit because RoosterTeeth is a bunch of soyboys masquerading as Texans and took over completely when Monty kicked it. Monty was never the main writer, but he set the tone. Now it's got social justice undertones and internal conflict has changed from "this character carries a burden" to "check my MySpace post" and forced spurned-lesbian angst.

I wish the game would have boss characters so we could fight an Atlesian Paladin-290. Embed related.

O.Ryu

mfw Old Ryu has an air tasu that may be *unblockable*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYMkdzgMTi8 X_x Concept

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPht4hqzJkc O_o Theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwoyjHddSI ^^b In action (2017)

>>14785373

> internal consistency

As a SF4 Guile player, it irks me that shotos get auto-correct DPs but my flash kick doesn't…

>>14785513

>>14785551

>>14785697

SF4 being beginner-friendly was a lie Capcom pushed. It really was NOT.

>>14787763

One of the antagonist in the last season was friends with one of the female leads and was secretly in love with them.

>>14784476

any game with a dumbed down system for casuasl to feel good will have the worst case of casual vs experienced players ever. making a game easy to play and simple will make veterans be extremely good at it from the get go by having fighting games, or any genre, knowledge alone. the easier the game is the easier to master it will be. any hyper fighter player (marvel or anime). was already doing massive combos and insane pressure from day 1 in DBFZ.

>>14759285

> Star Trek

> Not Tsukihime or, if you want a Western franchise, Transformers.

>>14784925

>>14784476

It's good for memes

>>14788236

it doesn't matter, anon. the only difference is some super and priority on normals. every character is a rushdown character. with Bardock and Vegeta you can pick whatever the fuck you want

>>14790978

>Crapcom did the same and was attacked for it

Arika is a much, much smaller company than Capcom. They can't even hire a proper translator or advertising campaign: their advertising has all been word of mouth at tournament side eventts and Jiyuna has been doing their translations on Twitch broadcasts.

>>14791437

I have lower expectations for companies with fewer resources.

>>14759039

Price-tag battle is shit and I don't know why anyone is interested

>>14791616

Oh, I do too. But they are not helping. See, they need the money we have. And I would be willing to give, day one, for a full game. Now, what doesbit say about a company that sells an incomplete fighter for 60 dollars, and an even more incomplete version for 40? This game will have less modes than Ex 1.

>>14759537

why are italian poster so superior to weeb sissies?

>>14785243

Think back on the game that got you into fighting games, then just make something like that. Conceptually it's not hard, you just hits lots of checkmarks that you think are good in fighting games.

>Make it feel nice to perform specials and supers

>Give a tiny bit of a reward for button mashing or at least make that feel good too

>Cool/cute character designs

>Great music

>Nice artwork

>If people like lots of other things about the game then they'll be more forgiving of its flaws

Just build it and they will come.

>>14792025

>Think back on the game that got you into fighting games, then just make something like that.

The game that got me into fighting games was awful though; BBCT.

>>14792642

So ST or Sirlin's HD Remix?

>>14780157

I think the stamina gauge was perfected in the Samurai Shodown games. The game is all about doing the perfect hit and a blocked or whiffed move can cost like half your life so spamming moves deplete your "sword gauge" while a Haohmaru doing a precise heavy slash can one hit kill a Basara or Mina.

>>14784437

>A video guide running through some overused tactics and how to deal with them

Well, I have no talent to be a teacher, detect points "a student" might have trouble and prepare "classes" to help overcome said difficulties. Learned KOF by playing at the arcades and only got to know what frame data was by the time XI was late in its life and arcades started dying here but I somewhat knew what was good and what wasn't in most games for pure experience of getting my ass kicked. So I can only be reactive since I can't really replicate my experience.

tl;dr, tell me what are your difficulties and maybe I can help with them.

>>14784328

You mean the Ichigeki Hissatsu videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEn6MfZ_Ns8&list=PLY5uoY91JhxIUJE2eou8Jxyq5eg1SEz-S

The Ralf battle is the #28. And I think this is the channel of our hero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0K5wU87oe4

>>14785463

>This is exactly the reason why Smash Melee has prevailed for so long

Only hardcore autists play Melee. Casuals all flocked to Brawl when it was released and now are all hyped up by the new one. It prevailed because of its niche audience and the EVO donation thing. Not saying the game being accessible was one of the factors for its success at time but casuals only played while it was the "hot new shit" like always. For example, nobody cares for the game outside the USA and few people in Europe since Nintendo has almost to no presence in South America or China and Japan moved on for the new games.

>>14791665

They made prospects for sales of the game to make profit by selling their few units with the U$60.00 price tag would be better than selling at lower price for the same people plus you. Capcom can take underperforming sales or wait for it to sell in the long run but smaller companies needs to pay their costs fast or endup like Lawbreakers. I'm not getting until a sale since I'm not that attached to the franchise and there's plenty of games to play right now.

>>14792025

I'm here ever since Mortal Kombat but it was KOF'98 Actually '97 but the arcade owner changed the machine only one month I started playing it that made me love the genre and keep coming back to the arcades. So KOF'98

>Underwhelming graphics compared to its competidors (SF Alphas, MvC, SamShoIV, Real Bout 2, Virtua Fighter 3, Tekken3 and so on)

>Only at arcades where you had to spend lots of money every week or poor ports for PS1 if you're not willing to sell your house to buy a NeoGeoAES

>Somewhat strict input reader

>No story at all. Only few artworks when you beat the arcade mode

>Great and big roster but most are reused assets

>Great music but no original one

>Lots of (intended) busted stuff like unblockable projectiles and proximity unblockables but unintended ones too like Extra Mode being ass so the "groove" system didn't work at all and everybody only plays Advanced.

I don't know if this will work in these days. The essence of fighting games comes from the arcade culture to the point you can say one build the other. The most you can do about it is make the game the most presentable for casuals to "reverse whale" your game but keep a fanbase attached that keeps playing your game to stay relevant until you can make a new one. Or try to risk losing the general fanbase that are gettiing older by each year and do something new.

>>14788236

>Point: Bardock

>Mid: ????

>Anchor: Vegeta

You're really asking for Black there with those filters. But I think Trunks, Tenshinhan, #18 and Frieza are fine too.

>>14794162

I think he is reffering to some specific players showing up are a surprise maybe japanese players and not the game. And E3 is like next month right before the World Cup so be ready for something retarded like Tekken Football.

>>14794207

Harada and Murray both wouldn't be going for a surprise player though

>>14791616

I agree and I've been defending them thus far but IMHO $20 for colors, 10 decks and a prototype character is entering hebrew devilry territory, particularly the decks because it seems like they're giving an advantage to people who get the pricier version unless by some miracle one of the starting decks happens to be OP. And I'm admittedly still miffed that Pullum got shafted for freakin' Hayate who's Cycloid-tier irrelevant.

>>14793877

>tl;dr, tell me what are your difficulties and maybe I can help with them.

Appreciate the offer but atm what I really need to do is go back to dedicating myself seriously to the game. Don't feel right having people invest their time while I'm not putting those things to use.

>>14794162

The announcement was probably "haha made you watch the whole thing".

>>14785719

>Monty will never make his ideal RWBY game

He has some good ideas for how to realize his characters in fighting game format. Shame he's dead. But one thing I would argue is how much easier it is to get people invested in the characters of an animation over a fighting game as the latter does have a barrier of entry since the story is going to be behind a game. Or alternatively the game will have to generate lots of secondary media like comics/manga, Original Animations, Movies, etc. and Become a much larger property.

>>14794569

It's more likely they had to renew the licence or something but they didn't want to pay money for it

>>14794569

>>14794576

So what's in the ten gigabytes, surely it can't just be a denuvo removal.

>>14786934

The roster the game deserves

>>14791616

I would hope that a company with fewer resources would focus on consumer goodwill instead of doubling down on shit monetary business practices of today. Arika is not getting a buy from me with what they're doing

>>14795980

What's Mika's story anyway? I don't have a PS3/4 so I haven't played UNIST. Better yet what's the lore for all the newcomers?

>>14796123

You can watch them all online, I imported it when it first came out so I have no clue what they're saying in the story mode.