13cdaa No.14752705
Anon from screenshot thread made me play daggerfall after all these years finally.
And I'm honestly surprised how not shit it is. Atmosphere is top notch, and visuals scratch that retro itch I was having for a while. Atmosphere is top notch.
What bothers me though, is that I can't find any fabled procedurally generated dungeons of dread and dispair that this game is famous for.
Am I doing something wrong? I go to red dots on world map that are marked as "dungeons", and there is always some cemetery with one or two tombs containing 2-3 rooms and some weak mobs.
What am I missing?
62066d No.14752766
>>14752705
I don't think the dungeons are actually procedurally generated. As in the game doesn't generate them on the fly like in Minecraft. Rather each dungeon was randomly generated by a developer and then saved.
There's an enormous amount of dungeons in the game just do a few guild quests and they'll send you to a harpy's nest at some point.
9341e6 No.14752779
Where can I download this sweet minecraft mod?
aa9db4 No.14752803
>>14752705
There be thousands, you're bound to run into one, the entrance/exit usually looks similar to the initial one you come out of and you're bound to end up traveling to one along some quest line eventually. Speaking of the initial dungeon, it's one of the smallest you'll encounter.
>>14752766
Yes, that's how it was done, everyone will see the same ones.
af5f63 No.14752890
When you get quests to go to specifically named dungeons, searching their names on the map will allow you to quick travel to them. These are the 'fabled' dungeons that people speak of.
a6c24c No.14752921
>>14752779
On
THE
INTERNETS!
HA HA HA!
>>14752766
>>14752803
>>14752890
Well shit, I've never even considered doing any quests.
Now some dude asks me to find source of bad rumors about him and all I find is more bad rumors.
b9d049 No.14753017
>>14752766
What you mean to say is that each dungeon has a set seed for its procedural generation.
516be3 No.14753132
>>14752705
Big dungeon entrances look different, like the first dungeon did.
If the placename has graveyard or something in the name, you're in the wrong place.
Dungeons tend to be a bit further away from cities.
33e4d0 No.14753197
I could never play this shit
damn bats getting stuck in walls, bugs and glitches out the ass
4c9403 No.14753218
weirdly enough, it has the best combat system of all tes titles unmodded. wish it woudnt bug like hell and run like shit. enjoy retro shill
60a7c0 No.14753226
Is there a guide to getting Daggerfall to run on Win10?
Does it even need one?
1c0499 No.14753232
>>14752705
Many of the dungeons are not visible on the world map until you get a quest to visit them or find a map as loot. You kind of have to ask around for work or join a guild to get into the deeper dungeons.
>>14753226
You don't need one. You can download Daggerfall from Bethesda's website and install it on DosBox or you can get the auto setup from uesp that installs dosbox and daggefall with dos32a and a few unofficial patches and quality-of-life mods.
cf7a12 No.14753244
Reporting back in.
I pulled through with rumors quest and it led me to a proper dungeon.
Jesus fucking christ am I not disappointed. I have no fucking idea how long it will take me to beat it. If I ever even will.
On the plus side my dude looks almost like doctor doom.
>>14753218
>weirdly enough, it has the best combat system of all tes titles unmodded
No shit, it's actually less clunky and finicky than Morrowind, fuck maybe even Oblivion, but I haven't played that turd in decade so I might remember it wrongly.
And you actually have to talk to people and investigate to even get anywhere, no quest markers.
>shill
Yeah I totally fucking bought this. 100% legit.
t. Rodd Bohard.
>>14753226
>win10
Here's your guide:
1.Kill yourself
26db9b No.14753251
Frankly, I'm going to ware for the source port and a few more years of fans patching and modding the game before trying it myself. The thing is buggier than any game I have seen to date.
1c0499 No.14753261
>>14753244
Interesting to see a noob wielding a dwaren weapon. Did you seek it out or stumble upon it? You almost seem competent.
But here's a little hint for the bigger dungeons: at every 3 or 4-way intersection, click on it and leave a note to tell you which direction the entrance is. You'll thank yourself when you reach the quest target and need to head back.
cf7a12 No.14753283
Now I see a bunch of people saying how buggy this shit is. I so far only encountered the entire thing just not running 1 out of 5 times, but that probably isn't saying much as I'm yet to finish my first real dungeon.
I didn't get any other noticeable bugs yet.
>>14753261
>dwarven sword
Some thief or goblin dropped it into one of those graveyeard tombs. I cleared quite a bit of them before coming here asking where the fuck are my dungeons.
I had a bunch of silver and elven weapons I sold as well.
>notes
I had no idea you can do that. I can't tell how deep I am now and if there is even a point of starting doing it now.
cf7a12 No.14753293
Oh and I have magic dagger that I have no idea how to use.
cf7a12 No.14753317
Ok I'm retarded, how do you leave not on a map?
1c0499 No.14753321
>>14753283
You can write notes in the map screen by clicking on a spot. You'll see it blink and there will be a box to type in whatever you want. It's also useful to make notes on a blacksmith that is repairing your stuff, since it takes them at least 24 hours and you'll want to roam around and do stuff while you wait.
If you havent been making notes in this dungeon, just forget it unless you happen to come across the entrance again. Then start.
>>14753293
Any enchanted item you need to bring to a mages guild to identify. You don't need to be a member to identify items. Once it's identified, it will be just like in Morrowind: it's either a constant effect buff, a spell on strike, or it puts a spell in your book to cast. Enchanted items have limited charges and cannot be repaired, so my advice is to save it for when you need it, especially if it's a spell from the destruction school… will be helpful later when you start to encounter vampires and liches.
Finally, the main game-breaking bug you want to be prepared for is the saves are prone to getting corrupted. Best thing is to find and install dos32a. If you used DaggerfallSetup.exe, then that means you already have it installed and don't have to worry. As for when you start up and the game doesn't seem to be running, alt+enter to bring it into windowed mode, that will usually kick it out of black screen and then you can fullscreen it again. It's actually a dosbox issue, not a daggerfall issue.
1c0499 No.14753322
>>14753317
See that grey bar at the very bottom? Click anywhere on the map, the bar will turn black and you type in there.
cf7a12 No.14753325
>>14753321
I'm using dosboxed version from gog, do I need dos32a on top if it?
1c0499 No.14753335
>>14753325
Really not sure. Never used the GoG version. It probably is the autoinstall with dos32a, though. I hope you didn't pay for this since you can get it off Bethesda's official website for free.
Also one more thing while I'm thinking about it. Press ctrl+F11 to bring cycles down. Keep clicking until they're down to 40%. If you've noticed you can't strafe or run or swim above ground, it's because the cycles are too high. This fixes it.
cf7a12 No.14753346
I actually found entrance ha ha! Am I doing this right?
>>14753335
>If you've noticed you can't strafe or run or swim above ground,
Shit I think I went across some water pool I couldn't get in. I thought that my dude just can't swim. Maybe that's why.
My cycles aren't in percents though.
98dcc8 No.14753354
Here we go, fell through the level.
On can say my dagger-wielding nord finally faced his first fall.
1c0499 No.14753369
>>14753346
>Shit I think I went across some water pool I couldn't get in.
The shallow pools you will just walk across. If you look closely, those are actually marshy plots outside people's homes where they are growing rice. The wider pools, you will fall right in and be stuck unable to move unless you bring cycles down.
>>14753354
You are in the void. Hope you saved recently.
3e4070 No.14753375
>>14753335
>I hope you didn't pay for this since you can get it off Bethesda's official website for free.
It's free along with Arena on GOG if you buy any Bethesda-published game.
1c0499 No.14753386
>>14753346
If your cycles are numbers instead of percents, I think you want to bring them to around 1500. It's possible the gog version dis this for you automatically. Not sure.
5d8d0c No.14753498
>>14752705
>Anon from screenshot thread made me play daggerfall after all these years finally.
How did he make you was there benis?
1c0499 No.14753514
>>14753293
Another thing you probably weren't aware of: if you go into inventory and select "use" and click on that cloak, you can bring the hood up and down. Lots of articles of clothing can be adjusted with "use." Certain shirts can be unbuttoned and buttoned, certain dresses and skirts can be unzipped at the leg to become loincloths.
a727f8 No.14753522
>>14752705
This is THIAF. Say something nice about him.
thank you for motivating me to finally give this a shot OP, it doesn't suck so far and I'm pleasantly surprised with the comfy as fuck UI
1c0499 No.14753528
>>14753522
What's his backstory?
f30eee No.14753543
>>14753522
>Say something nice about him
Kill yourself furfag.
a727f8 No.14753559
>>14753528
Plotholes from the flopped sequel to a previously-successful franchise find THIAF in an alternate universe. I'll be making an actual player character after I find my bearings
1c0499 No.14753602
>>14753559
The game gives you a backstory based on how you answered the questions in chargen. Click "history."
a9c226 No.14753703
>spend 3 goffamn hours in a cavern of Maelula
>explore fucking everything
>no goal
>look shit up
>literally ONE single video of some fat fuck playing through it on the entire internet
>I guess I'll just follow his playthrough
>he gives up after his own 3 hours of fucking around it
>mfw
Did anyone ever completed this godmotherfuckingdammned cave?
There is nothing anywhere.
Except for one fat jewtuber giving up on it.
Why THE FUCK game decided that this would be perfect FIRST QUEST I SHOULD RECEIVE.
aa9db4 No.14754244
I started a new playthrough and this was the first thing I found on that table along with some gold. It runs smoothest for me at around these cpu settings, it at least keeps video from stuttering. And, if you use DaggerfallSetup, it fucks up the .conf order in the shortcut, so it never properly reads DosBox.conf edits. Should look something like this.
C:\Daggerfall\DosBox.exe -conf DosBoxDaggerfall.conf -conf DosBox.conf -noconsole -c -exit
e15d2a No.14754257
>>14752705
>Am I doing something wrong? I go to red dots on world map that are marked as "dungeons", and there is always some cemetery with one or two tombs containing 2-3 rooms and some weak mobs.
Welcome to Elder Scrolls.
169408 No.14754396
b107c0 No.14754463
>>14752705
>What bothers me though, is that I can't find any fabled procedurally generated dungeons of dread and dispair that this game is famous for.
Sometimes they're extremely well hidden. It might just be a bump in the ground with a door on the other side.
The dungeons in Daggerfall are hell, I lost one of my early characters in a dungeon because I couldn't find the exit.
944eb6 No.14754475
>>14754463
I've never played DF, is that an actual dungeon?
5b49da No.14754512
>>14753703
>he didn't notice that one piece of wall which was so markedly different from the others
99f7b7 No.14754563
>>14752766
>I don't think the dungeons are actually procedurally generated. As in the game doesn't generate them on the fly like in Minecraft. Rather each dungeon was randomly generated by a developer and then saved.
So they took the worst of both worlds?
Boring procedural generated shit instead of thoughtfully handcrafted dungeons, but also the same content on every playthrough? Just when you think you know all the bullshit Bedshitsta has pulled, you learn another retarded thing. Amazing.
7e130f No.14754587
>>14754512
>>14753703
It is entirely possible to get fucked based on how the dungeon was generated. I had a time where the game spawned the item I needed for a quest in a room that was under the rest of map, guarded by an inexplicably flying Slaughterfish that got itself stuck on an altar. I'd have never gotten it without using cheat tools to move my character in there, and then teleporting back.
The combination of that, plus the fact that every dungeon starts to look the same after a while, makes fetch quests in Daggerfall absolutely atrocious. I won't even do them. If someone wants me to do a quest, it better be to kill someone or something, not to get a fucking Daedra Heart or whatever. Preferably in town. If I'm going into a hell hole, it's because I'm trying to loot the place of my own volition.
>>14754563
The main story dungeons are all handcrafted. The other generic ones aren't, true, but there's so many of them that I doubt even an autist who's been playing the same game since its release in the 90s has seen all of them.
0b46d7 No.14755776
Should I avoid Daggerfall Unity?
1c0499 No.14756212
>>14754587
>I'm not a masochist
>>14754512
Local map gives away the locations of hidden doors.
4960cf No.14756244
You get real dungeons and castles when you accept quests from people in cities, so go do that.
>>14753226
>>14753232
Please, don't actually do what he said. Download DaggerfallSetup from Wiwiland. It's a French TES forum and DaggerfallSetup has everything you would need. Bugfixes, extra quests, Eye of Argonia which increases view distance and some other stuff.
https://wiwiki.wiwiland.net/index.php?title=Daggerfall_%3A_DaggerfallSetup_EN
This is the single best way to play Daggerfall on a modern machine.
3beba4 No.14756275
>>14752766
Stop talking about this. Everyone already knows that.
1c0499 No.14756288
>>14756244
The daggerfallsetup on wiwiland is the same as the one on uesp. But now this anon >>14754244 says it fucks up the .conf order, so I don't know. I do know that the game I'm playing in my current install never plays music in dungeons and I have no idea why.
41ba0d No.14756326
>>14754463
Could make a Penumbra style Minotaur-Labyrinth game with that map.
bc2954 No.14756725
So what's the verdict on Maelula?
Any of you wannabe oldfags ever beat it?
Or is it one of those broken unwinnable dungeons?
aa9db4 No.14756925
>>14756288
That DaggerFallSetup one just needs the shortcut fixed and the DosBox.conf cpu settings edited slightly so video doesn't stutter. It's still less hassle than setting it up manually.
>never plays music in dungeons
You could try dragging the setup.exe onto DosBox and doing the autodetect, maybe it didn't set up audio devices properly. Here's what my DosBox.conf looks like for audio settings if you want to try to fix it manually.
6c4e48 No.14757009
>>14755776
I'd wait until it hits 1.0 or something, the magic and crime systems are getting developed currently.
0d31de No.14757028
Repeatedly raiding the tombs is actually one of the best ideas early on. Easy combat experience and some easily found treasure (note all Daggerfall dungeons respawn when you leave them.)
76dbd8 No.14757582
>>14754463
That's how draugr dungeons should have looked like in skyrim, since they are cities-temples-cripts all in one.
de53ee No.14760646
>>14753514
>Another thing you probably weren't aware of: if you go into inventory and select "use" and click on that cloak, you can bring the hood up and down. Lots of articles of clothing can be adjusted with "use." Certain shirts can be unbuttoned and buttoned, certain dresses and skirts can be unzipped at the leg to become loincloths.
holy shit, that just adds another layer of immerson I didn't think was possible.
c2d9d8 No.14763730
>>14756725
>>14753703
Bump for this? I still have save file in that coddamn cave.
Can anyone beat it?
f44cd6 No.14766147
Thanks for nintendo board mark
7664f5 No.14766211
>>14754587
My first fetch quest I forgot to make/buy recall and I ended up doing shit like walking through teleporting brick walls and going through 1 way walls. All that said with recall fetch dungeons aren't all that bad and at least fetch quests put up some sort of challenge, beats those boring "go to someone's attic and talk to them" or "kill this one noisy enemy in a shitty tower in the middle of bumfuck nowhere" quests.
0d4763 No.14766286
>>14754463
Dude what the fuck? Do they at least let you try and mark a path with dropped items?
1c0499 No.14766290
>>14766286
Yes but you can also just write notes on the map.
e08856 No.14766294
>>14766290
This isn't extremely helpful because that mostly lets you know where the exit is, unless you're writing notes every few steps it'll still be difficult to tell how to get back to the exit.
073496 No.14766363
>>14752705
You need to accept quests from temples and guilds in towns (among other sources) to unlock individual dungeons. Large dungeons are an orange dot on the map, whereas red dungeons are just cemeteries.