/v/ - Video Games

Read the rules, OP

Oh yeah, has to be either 700+ replies or page 13+.

>>14744838

I swore it was just when it hit bumplock when I last regularly visited this place a year ago. Oh well, guess people will bust my balls about being 3 pages off.

>>14744792

Shill thread.

>>14744899

Sorry for taking up the room for extra visual novel threads, nigger.

>>14744908

It's just one autist going by all the threads he doesn't like to spam "shill thread". Don't give him replies.

>>14744976

Right I forgot about that. I've been off this board for almost a year and when I last visited in march it was so obviously filled with shit tier cuckchan refugees.

>>14745013

All gameplay unlocks weapons, augment packs, armor types, vehicles, current and future.

All gameplay unlocks can also be unlocked as F2P player by grinding it out. I have heard varying opinions from F2P players I was a early access supporter but a friend of mine said he spent 10 hours and unlocked 1/3rd of the stuff.

I tried it and the movement is completely fucked and 'bouncy' I don't know a better word for it.

>>14745033

>>14745013

At that price you could just buy it like a normal game and ignore the unlock system. I would have if it actually played well. If they patch it I still might.

>>14745033

F2P players have a sort of disadvantage against paid players in certain situations but that's short lived. It won't really take you any large amount of time to unlock enough stuff to keep you on equal terms with people who have everything unlocked. If you don't like playing against people who have Heavy or Medium armor type as you only have Light at start then you can just play the LCTF mode where everybody is a light. It's arguably the most balanced game mode.

>>14745077

It's called a rail gun. No zoom except for E. Note that the railgun is not hitscan, it's a really fast (1500m/s) projectile.

>see last thread

>try the game out

>performance is completely terrible unable to keep a stable 60fps on my midrange PC

>art style is cancer

>jetpacks completely fucked from how tribes did it

>half the gameplay elements locked behind grinding

>LOOTBOXES

Don't waste your time on this.

>>14745102

The awful southpark graphics and pay to win lootboxes put me off.

Also, why remake Tribes 1/2 but make it uglier, slower and less professional.

T2 likely runs at 1,000fps by now.

>>14745102

>performance is completely terrible unable to keep a stable 60fps on my midrange PC

Admittedly a place where they can improve.

>art style is cancer

I think it keeps visibility simple but I agree for the most part, although something you need to put in to perspective is that art is expensive and a lot of the work was volunteer work.

>jetpacks completely fucked from how tribes did it

Tribes Ascend players are so retarded.

JETPACKS DO NOT WORK THE SAME WAY AS THEY DID IN ASCEND, IT'S HOW THEY WORKED IN TRIBES 1/2

>half the gameplay elements locked behind grinding

Far less grind than Tribes Ascend. You'll probably have everything unlocked in less than 50 hours.

>LOOTBOXES

They cannot be bought, only contain cosmetics, you don't have to pay to open them and they are given exclusively on level ups.

>>14745112

>pay to win lootboxes put me off.

Nigger what?

>They cannot be bought, only contain cosmetics, you don't have to pay to open them and they are given exclusively on level ups.

>Also, why remake Tribes 1/2 but make it uglier, slower and less professional.

Because it's not a remake, has hold to ski, is actually alive and by far the most active FPS-Z game and isn't slower in the slightest.

>>14744792

>IT'S FREE, NIGS

>>14745013

>game pass

A vol needs to edit this OP to not contain lies.

>>14745114

Yeah, it's a projectile because in Tribes 1/2 ping was very high for most people and you had to lead laser rifle shots due to the ping, issue was that it was kinda random as ping is, so this legitimizes it into an actual mechanic. You won't have to lead shots at close ranges but you will a notch for long range and fast moving targets.

>>14745144

>A vol needs to edit this OP to not contain lies.

Technically it is free if you are willing to invest some time, for a F2P game it's pretty fine. Same system as Tribes Ascend but far less grind for free players.

>>14745155

Pretty much the less-jewish hitscanless version of T:A

>>14745155

We call this free to play and not free. A free game is something like Touhou.

You cannot spam SHAZBOT in the chat.

The Maps are ugly and you get lost in them since everything as the same boring texture.

Movement feels and is less controllable, as mentioned in OP, since they copied the system from the oldest tribe games.

The overall effect is that unless you are on a memorized route, you are generally slower due to less midair control on your trajectory.

Uninstalled after a few hours.

I`m glad I joind T:A during the initial stage of beta and I enjoyed the best revival this genre had since its creation.

>>14744872

>I last regularly visited this place a year ago.

You can go back to cuckchan now.

>>14745170

I can understand preferring it if that's the game you played earlier, but being ignorant of how the game works and saying it's the game's fault is absolute shitter tier. TA was my first Tribes too but I got used to Midair pretty fast. Maps are hit or miss I agree. Minora is my personal favorite.

I actually hate boost, the regeneration feels better to me since it's more forgiving for movement if you fuck up and are going on improvisation.

Defense is all about bodyblocking, grabbing the enemy flag the enemy flag when they take yours, stacking mines and spamming sentries, although the last 2 don't apply in LCTF.

>>14745172

>Yeah, as Cyka Blyad its hard to play on USA servers (due 200 and above ping) and West EU servers have a 90-130 ping average. 100 ping is enough for bluplates or "Thumper" airshots but everything above is hard to use. With no loyalty for community made servers here will never be russia/ukraine servers.

That sucks, neighbor. I'm estonian and I got used to playing with 150 ping to USA servers since they were the only populated ones during early access, but my internet stopped working properly a month ago and now I get 100 ping to EU servers too.

>>14745180

You have more control, you just have to use jets to control yourself. How hard is this to understand? This is such a gitgud issue.

>>14745200

I quit imageboards as a whole and haven't used cuckchan since 2014.

>>14745180

>you get lost in them

Yup, shit gets pretty tiring when you don't sometimes even know where to go from the spawn.

And then you get switched to the other team without a warning or notice and wonder where the fuck you're at now.

T:A showed the player loads more info when you were spawning. Got your map right in your face, spawn points and loadouts. None of that here, just a camera following some cunt that just killed you.

If you're going to shill your P2W F2P game with Mixed reviews here, at least put some effort and sell the game to us.

>>14745234

>P2W

nigga pls

It's "Pay to not grind"

>>14745230

You get used to it is all I can really say. I think the devs need to add in a official training mode where you can cruise maps solo without using the console.

>>14745234

>P2W

Literally untrue.

<All gameplay unlocks can also be unlocked as F2P player by grinding it out

>mixed reviews

Blame Tribes Ascend kids who whine about jets not working the same way.

>>14745243

>>14745249

So league of legends isn't P2W because you can totally grind eons for a new champion without having to pay, alright that's all I needed to know to avoid this dumpster fire

>>14745243

>>14745249

Just because you can grind for something still doesn't mean that the game is not pay to win.

That's like saying buying max level in an MMORPG is not pay to win. Someone can buy something to unlock something someone does not have yet, if two new players were to fight it out and the one that bought gear to give him a huge advtange with his better augments. That's pay to win.

>>14745259

More or less, pay to win implies you get gameplay advantages for paying compared to non-paying players, but the grind in Midair will take you less than 50 hours.

>>14745288

Jesus christ,what the fuck is wrong with his head?

>>14745291

What's wrong with your head, hoo-mahn? Look at those tiny earlobes too, you're as ugly as a targ

>>14745249

>Training mode

Nah, fuck that. Not going to spend time fucking around when I could see the general layout in seconds.

Gimme a map when i'm spawning.

>>14745264

Vehicles being at the end of each class tree is pretty gay, but a new light player with default gear versus a new light player with everything unlocked won't make much of a difference. It'll just be two cunts skiing around and trying to hit each other.

>>14745288

>Soy Trek

Take your leftist propaganda elsewhere.

>>14745301

you forget theres augments, some offer higher energy regeneration, some offer defenses, these will help out someone quite a lot when fighting with another player. Its an advantage regardless.

>>14744792

I liked the old Tribes games. I don't like this one much though. I'll give it another week and see if I can change my mind, but so far it just isn't the same. The f2p cancer really helps ruin it for me. Though to put it a bit more bluntly, this whole game feels like a low effort cash in on the tribes fanbase. Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but from what I've already seen, forgive me if I doubt that will be the case.

>>14745321

Fuck every augment that isn't kinetic.

>>14745264

>Just because you can grind for something still doesn't mean that the game is not pay to win.

The grind is tiny though, compared to almost any other F2P game out there.

>if two new players were to fight it out and the one that bought gear to give him a huge advtange with his better augments.

Skill > equipment almost always in this game. Everyone has the 2 best weapons in the entire game (chain gun and ring launcher) unlocked by default, and the third (grenade launcher) can be gotten in less than an hour. There really isn't any such thing as a "better augment" in this game, there's just augments that allow you to fit specific roles better. And as >>14745341 said, fuck every augment that is not kinetic. Kinetic is the best generalist augment in the entire game.

>>14745321

>you forget theres augments, some offer higher energy regeneration, some offer defenses, these will help out someone quite a lot when fighting with another player. Its an advantage regardless.

Energy regen is a default, defense is extremely situational and only viable for heavy tanks, and for heavies it further destroys what little mobility it has making it only useful for bodyblock flag defenders which fully fresh F2P lights can fly circles around them and whittle them down with grenades. Again, it just allows you to fit very specific roles better.

>>14745301

>Nah, fuck that. Not going to spend time fucking around when I could see the general layout in seconds.

It's supplementary for learning routes. You can still play maps solo but you have to use console, would make it simpler for newer players to quickly get the grasp of different maps if it was in the menu.

>Gimme a map when i'm spawning.

I agree, but most of the maps are still prototype maps that they aren't sure will work yet. I expect something of this sort to be added soon.

>>14745288

>After you shilled it the other day, what a cohencidence.

That thread wasn't mine, but I did make a Midair thread when the Early Access came out.

>>14745340

>The f2p cancer really helps ruin it for me.

Spend some time in LCTF and get used to the game first. By the time you've spent 5 hours in the game you can get some unlocks to fill your personal favorite roles better.

>Though to put it a bit more bluntly, this whole game feels like a low effort cash in on the tribes fanbase.

This game has been in development for 4 years. 4 years is far from low effort, in my opinion.

>>14745091

>>14745114

you can press Z to zoom in like, 3 times.

>>14745388

Holy shit. I played 8 hours of railgun on TDM yesterday and I didn't even know that. I only used E zoom and still managed to get frags.

>>14745399

Sight is overrated.

>>14745365

I'll give that a go then. Thanks for the suggestion.

>This game has been in development for 4 years. 4 years is far from low effort, in my opinion.

Ah, forgive me then. Let me fix my comment.

>Though to put it a bit more bluntly, this whole game feels like a low quality cash in on the tribes fanbase.

>still shilling this dead game

Fuck off

>>14745432

>Though to put it a bit more bluntly, this whole game feels like a low quality cash in on the tribes fanbase.

Art/sound quality, sure, but the actual gameplay is rock solid IMO.

>>14745450

I hope the extra time I log in the game can change my mind. I won't be mad if it doesn't though.

>>14745475

LCTF will give you the best impression of the game. Going into CTF with no unlocks is and will feel like real shit.

>>14745496

Can confirm,i tried and got my ass raped and was just walking around sad i couldn't cap.

>>14745537

Nigger stop, it hurts.

>>14745537

Wasn't there more then two teams in lore? why did they never show up in game?

>>14745559

Midair just doesn't have the

DEEP LORE

that made Tribes somewhat enjoyable. It's fun to call people shazbot sandraker.

>>14745567

Yeah, there are 4 Great Tribes, but Hi-Rez was too incompetent to add more than the Blood Eagles and the Diamond Sword

>>14745567

There was Blood Eagle, Diamond Sword, the Bioderms, Phoenix and Star Wolf. No real difference aside from voice pack and character model.

>>14745591

The lore of Tribes is actually pretty interesting and relatively deep. It's a shame T:A died since Hi Rez fucked themselves by not monetizing the game properly.

>>14745622

Bioderms sound kinky,star wolfs sound like furries.

>>14745614

SHAZBOT

>>14745614

Holy fuck I miss playin the beta so much.

>>14745651

Ah fuck, there's tears in my eyes.

Shazbowl was the best /v/ ever was and will be

>>14745682

Tribes Ascend was good but not that good. The game was absolute chink grinder tier and took you well over 500 hours to unlock everything.

>>14745726

That's when i became shit. It's just rose-tinted glasses tbh

Why don't people just play T:A? I thought Hi Rez made efforts to revitalize it and gave players more control over their servers.

>>14745843

>I thought Hi Rez made efforts to revitalize it and gave players more control over their servers.

<I thought Hi Rez made efforts to revitalize it and gave players more control over their servers.

I thought Hi Rez made efforts to revitalize it and gave players more control over their servers.

This is single most optimistic thing I have ever read in my life.

It's because T:A was literally abandoned with now 0 developers working on it who released 2 patches with good intentions that had a mixed opinion from the general community, is filled with cheaters and has very few players.

>>14745076

So it's Tribes: Global Offensive? No thanks.

>>14745852

What?

>>14745033

>>14745603

>P2W

Does that make TF2 P2W as well? Oh wait that's retarded and so are you. It's an objective fact that this is far far far less kikey than Tribes Ascend was in Beta.

>>14745301

>Fuck the tutorial

>I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW JETPACKS WORK

>>14745288

>Game comes out

>People talk about game

>This is shilling

It's thanks to faggots like you that cuckchan was so shit.

>>14744792

locked till page 13

be more careful next time.

>>14745935

You paid money to gain an advantage over other players without any effort. its P2W, no matter how much you want to say otherwise. The only microtransaction that isn't considered P2W are cosmetic shit. Just because its cheap or the grinding is easy doesn't change the fact you can pay real money to be ahead of other players

>p2w trash

>awful visuals

>lootboxes

>OP admitting he doesnt use imageboards

>can't host own server

I can smell the gefilte fish, matzo, and foreskins from here, moishe.

This is that abortion of a project that the ultimate tribes cancermopsy attached his name to right when it was announced. Perhaps, he was involved in development the whole time?

Regardless,

IGNORE THIS GAME, IT IS HOT TRASH NOT WORTH THE BANDWIDTH

>>14745567

Hi-Rez was too busy working on monetization schemes to pay attention to any lore. Otherwise the two teams they bothered to present would have been the ones with the most enmity between them, the Blood Eagle and Starwolf, whose feud stemmed mainly from the use of a banned planet-killing weapon that both sides denied using.

>>14746310

A thing of beauty,honest.

>>14744792

>IT'S FREE

You mean to say that it's "F2P". In any case, refer to >>14744826 .

>>14745622

>by not (((monetizing))) the game properly

CHRIST

>>14746489

It isn't hard to find a pattern you want to see.

>>14746503

You fucking what?

Are their plans to add more weapons to the game? I miss my brute spinfusor.

how do I go really fast?

like, how do I stick to a curve long enough to get whipped out of it? or strafe jump for speed properly?

>>14746489

The only pattern I see is a bunch of (1)'s crying shill in every thread about a new game. Fuck off back to cuckchan or something with that shit.

>>14746608

I'm still figuring this stuff out myself, but I stick to the obvious. Go down a slope at just the right angle and use your jetpack when leaving the 'ramp'.

Figuring out the proper routes to take to the enemy flag is trickier.

>>14746258

It's the lesser pay2win unlike other games where the item being bought cannot otherwise be used.

Quit being a whiny faggot. If you don't think the game is worth the asking price then fuck off.

Odds are faggots here spent more on Ascend.

>>14746644

>>14746608

If it's anything like T:A you want to minimize how much you use your jets. You wanna jet just high enough and be on course so that you don't have to adjust with jets after your initial burst.

So, go up hill, hold jets, exit, hold just long enough to reach next slope and match angle of slope you're connecting to

>>14746646

>It's the lesser pay2win

Lesser or not, it still P2W, you shouldn't shill this game under a false pretense.

>If you don't think the game is worth the asking price then fuck off.

If its worth the price then they should sell it normally instead of going for F2P model considering the stigma that came along with such business model

>>14746646

>If you don't think the game is worth the asking price then fuck off.

What if people you don't like don't automatically "fuck off"?

>>14746646

But, no, seriously. Don't ever buy into "F2P"shit. If a developer is incentivized against players being able to actually own the games they have (as would be exercised through the use of SDKs, by reverse engineering them, or just by freely editing their config files) as is the case whenever a game has on-disk DLC (that is, the "monetization" model that "F2P" design is based around in its entirety), by supporting that developer you've giving your time, attention and/or money toward someone who can't be expected to have your interests at heart.

>>14746757

>someone who can't be expected to have your interests at heart

Let me rephrase that: Someone who can't be expected to have the interests of the medium at heart. Videogaming evolves as a medium by having new ideas incorporated into it, and its evolution is safeguarded by its having an informed consumer base with an understanding of each idea that has already been incorporated into it and how new ideas can be incorporated into it in future. Players actually being able to own and understand their games is a pre-requisite for both if you assign any responsibility to those players for the propagation of new ideas and still for the latter if you don't, and developers that are incentivized against players being able to actually own and understand their games are developers who are incentivized against both factors needed for videogaming to evolve as a medium.

>>14746644

>>14746665

Is there any way I can stop jumping while using the jet? It's really annoying when I only want thrust while skating

>>14746772

>are incentivized against both factors

Well, both if you assign responsibility to players for the propagation of new ideas, and still the latter of those factors if you don't. I'm just making way too many posts in a row here now, though, so pardon.

>>14746783

Also, you can't set up dedicated servers. It's only public or you pay for server hosting via their (((affiliates))).

>>14744792

>controls are shit

>i-it's just tribes ascend boogeyman!

>(((steam)))

>>14747164

>Biggest selling point is that it's a clone of Something

>Doesn't play like Something

>>14744792

I want to fuck that thing

is there porn of it

>>14747339

Nigger what? This game was made by the people who made Legions overdrive and it was intended to be similar to Tribes 2 from the get go.

>>14746489

I never loved every aspect, I just told T:A shit kids to fuck off and learn the game mechanics instead of bitching about them. I admitted that art isn't the best, optimization can be worked on and the UI fucking blows.

>>14746993

This is quite literally T:A shit kids not understanding how jets work in the game. It's stupid simple, but their little baby bird smooth brains can't comprehend it.

>>14747753

By that logic Warframe, TF2 and even Rainbow Six Siege are P2W.

>>14745873

Your handlers are fucking shit, go get re-educated you shill.

>>14747780

>everyone is a shill

>>>/cuckchan/

>>14747797

The post I replied to proves you're the fucking cuckchanner or a shill, nobody whos spent even a week here could be that fucking clueless.

When you feel the need to be this defensive and respond to every post and discard all criticism you're either a shill or some retard who gets assblasted by differing opinnions.

Either way, you have to go back.

>>14747760

>By that logic three P2W games are P2W

Exactly.

>>14747760

Well. If you count bullshit with Primes, Warframe is VERY pay to win.

>>14747814

I thought it followed a similar system to TF2 and this game where you can unlock everything but it just takes an absurd amount of grind. Did something change?

>>14747817

What changed? They added more shit to grind for.

>>14746773

Rebind jump key. Yes, those niggers force you to use jet for everything while having shit defaults that make you lose momentum all the time.

>>14747760

>Warframe allows you to pay for objectively better items to skip the ridiculous grind

>TF2 has a real money auction house, and loot crates which are the only real way of getting objectively better items. Unless you want to grind out weekly random drop chances for god knows how long to get the item you want.

>Siege has a ridiculous grind to get new Operators (which are gated behind a season pass paywall for the first week of their release) that can be skipped by paying money.

How is any of this not pay-to-win?

>>14747898

Because all of those games (minus TF2 today) I don't see any where near as much shit flung at them and they are seen as 100% kosher and cool. Warframe has constant generals and R6S has a huge following here.

>and loot crates which are the only real way of getting objectively better items

That's untrue actually.

>>14747898

> TF2 crates drop objectively better weapons

lolwut

>>14747339

Liking assend is akin to liking quake:champions

fucking kill yourself

>>14747936

I wouldn't say it's like that entirely but a lot of people look at Ascend through rose tinted goggles and forget the bullshit that was in the game.

>>14747967

I'm definitely saying it. Compared to t1,t2, and even vengeance, assend was an embarrassment to the franchise.

Don't go around criticizing this while you've got hi-rez's dick in your mouth.

>>14747967

Ascend was absolutely fantastic before Hi-Rez went full-jew feat. cancer.

>>14747979

Embarrassment to T1/2 players, maybe, but something that it deserves some credit for is for getting FPS-Z more attention again.

>>14747898

none of those general denied the P2W aspect, but have large enough followings that they just enjoy the game for what it is. Being butthurt about it isn't gonna win you any sympathy. No games are perfect and you have to acknowledge that it is a form of P2W, but instead of defending it, how you talk about why the game is fun to play, post gameplay or whatever, let the community grow naturally.

>>14747911

>they are seen as 100% kosher

They aren't universally, it's just that the people who enjoy those games have simply learned to ignore the baiting comments you've been replying to. People who genuinely don't want to play them and don't care about their threads don't go into them. Shitposters are attracted to shiny new things for them to smear with shit.

Why would I want to play this when I can just play Tribes which I already own?

>>14748014

Because it's been the most active FPS-Z for a while.

>>14747987

oh? and when would that be? Would it be at the closed beta when they had the "heroes" behind a paywall? You know, the kind you couldn't customize? Or how about when they came out with the plasma rifle? Or how about the fact that at no point was the physics any good? Jesus christ the disc jumping in t:a was awful; It was like trying to get momentum from a firecracker. Oh and let's not forget regenerating health, speed caps, weapon limits, raytrace weapons (at the start) … etc.

>>14748017

>most active

ok? does that mean I should start playing CSGO, LoL and PUBG because they're the most active games?

>>14748021

What fucking "heroes"?

Plas gun and speed limits killed it.

And most of the people were able to deal with a couple of hitscan weapons for it to be fun enough.

Regen health meant that you don't have to suicide all the fucking time or go back to base because you spent 10 seconds near their base.

>>14748029

Don't know if bait or just plain stupid, why would you even brought up CSGO and PUBG? He's clearly comparing Tribes and Midair, 2 games of the same genre

>>14748029

No you brainlet. If you want to play a FPS-Z game, Midair has the most players and the most active community.

>>14748033

He means classes. There was Pathfinder, Soldier and Brute unlocked by default and all the others had to be unlocked (was like 9 total IIRC)

>Regen health meant that you don't have to suicide all the fucking time or go back to base because you spent 10 seconds near their base.

And it also meant that you can abuse it easily and just diskboost yourself to absurd speeds and harass enemy bases easily before they added the cap.

>>14747979

Keep in mind Ascend was probably the first and therefore only Tribes experience for 95+% of people still posting on /v/ today. Don't be too hard on them, they were born after Starsiege: Tribes launched and don't know what they missed.

>>14748046

>had to be unlocked

What the? I remember fucking around with the mortar just fine without unlocking much or paying for anything.

>And it also meant that you can abuse it easily and just diskboost yourself to absurd speeds and harass enemy bases easily before they added the cap.

And everyone could do that, which was fun.

>>14748050

I'm still going to be grumpy god damn it.

>>14748066

>absurd amounts of grind

Not at the start it didn't.

>It meant that the game was constant aggression with no tactics at all and allowed for retarded and unfair strategies.

Yes, and?

>>14745129

>jetpacks are Tribes 1/2

They aren't, in fact. Please don't spread disinformation

>>14748066

>It meant that the game was constant aggression with no tactics at all and allowed for retarded and unfair strategies.

GIT GUD

>>14748076

Oh wait, the grind might have been pretty fucking bad, there just wasn't that many straight up upgrades back then so nobody really gave a fuck.

>>14748090

>straight up upgrades

wew, are you forgetting the fact that you had to level up weapons?

>>14748097

Because this is a game I have followed for 2 years and I want to support FPS-Z as a genre. And I'm the fucking OP. Do you expect me to just make the thread and not argue or talk about the game at all?

>>14748094

Did that even do anything? Since I don't even remember that you HAD to level them up.

>>14748106

Increased weapon statistics. Gave you more ammo, started dealing more damage, etc.

>>14748112

>Gave you ammo

Oh yeah, might be. Not that ammo was ever an issue, really.

>started dealing more damage

Wasn't that just situational and not generally?

>>14748117

>Wasn't that just situational and not generally?

All of the spinfusors had a +20% damage against armored upgrade.

>>14748125

Well whoopdie-fucking-doo. That's pretty much fuck all.

>>14748128

Dunno. I usually think having 10 extra discs and having to grind for 3 upgrades to get them is a pretty big advantage.

>>14748133

You could get enough ammo from dead players for it to not matter that much.

>>14747753

This means that any game you pay for is pay to win.

>>14748146

Maybe, but still another thing to grind for if you want to be competitive.

>>14748258

>competetive

you can fuck off now

This game is objectively better than Ascend except worse graphics and it's harder for casuals to understand. The fact that most of /v/ can't figure it out is simply a reminder of how many casual shits infest this board.

>>14748258

>competitive

Yeah, whatever.

>>14748133

>>14748258

>>14745076

>>14745321

>>14746258

The more gear you have the higher your Respawn time. Have you not played the tutorial? It's not an advantage, it's a side grade. This is literally less pay 2 win than Team Fortress, it's definitely less pay 2 win than Tribes ever was. You even get 4 free levels just for playing the tutorial meaning you can unlock things literally before getting into your first match. When Tribes Ascend was in Beta and far worse it being 100% P2W was completely ok but this objectively less kike system isn't? Just admit you have to rationalize the fact that you don't want to play a game that is a bit less casual and has not nice graphics.

>>14748286

>graphics

You can add audio, UI and art design to that list.

>harder for casuals to understand

This is a big fucking deal if you want new players for your game.

>>14748288

>>14748274

Non-arguments. You get almost twice the reserve ammo for your weapons, if that is not a gameplay advantage then I don't know what is. This means you can harass enemy base assets and engineer buildings twice as well.

>>14748326

Sure it's a gameplay advantage, too bad it was so minimal that nobody gave enough of a shit to complain about it.

>>14748344

I actually heard plenty complain about them, but if your memories of the game are selective there's nothing I can do about that.

>>14748370

Can't remember any complaints from /v/ threads.

Reddit might have complained, but those fags complain about everything.

>>14748386

>>14748391

>spend 10 hours grinding for a weapon

>have to spend another 10 to unlock the 3 to 5 upgrades to get 2x ammo, faster reload and decrease damage fall off or blast radius increase

Not gamechanging guys.

>>14748414

>10 hours

You are talking about Tribes right? You can unlock most things in about 3 hours and again the more things you equip the longer your respawn time so it balances out.

>>14748305

Only an issue if you are a casual which seems to be most of /v/.

>>14748436

oof dude rekt

>>14748425

Nigger what?

My argument was about having to grind for weapons and then having to grind for the upgrades for the weapons which give you gameplay advantages. Are you mentally disabled?

But besides that,

>>a bad thing

That depends. Having people rewarded for doing good can cause other issues later into the game's lifespan such as cheating and abusing the F2P system to get unlockables faster. This can also make the grind insufferable for bad players. Bad players who stick around will eventually with time become better, but they won't put in the time for the game to get better if they will hate playing the same style without any change at all. Maybe that bad player would be a great spy or scout who would be awesome at destroying base assets and killing the defenders, but he wouldn't know because he would have quit the game due to the absurd grind.

>>14748432

Yes I am.

>>14748414

>get 2x ammo

Ammo was lying around fucking everywhere. And with regen health you could spare a couple of spinfusors and get the fuck back to base.

>faster reload

I'll give you that, automatics were always a cancer killing that game.

>decrease damage fall off

Can't remember there being anything like this. Never really played light classes so that might be it.

>blast radius increase

Aww yiss 5 % more radius on nades me pro nao.

That's some minimal shit.

>>14745935

>Does that make TF2 P2W as well?

Yes retard.

>>14748487

(you)

>>>/cuckchan/

>>14748489

>Ammo was lying around fucking everywhere.

But it was still an advantage. For extended fights and spamming bases with explosives it was pretty important.

>Can't remember there being anything like this. Never really played light classes so that might be it.

20% less damage falloff on laser rifle.

>Aww yiss 5 % more radius on nades me pro nao.

Actually was 20% for multiple grenades. 1/5th more blast radius or damage isn't a small advantage and definitely one that you want if you want to play better.

>>14748513

Take your shill ass back where it came from

>>14748513

>But it was still an advantage

Never said it wasn't an advantage. It's still a minimal one.

>pretty important

For retarded shit juggs sitting on a ridge, maybe.

>20% less damage falloff on laser rifle.

Huh, never even noticed.

>20% for multiple grenades

Even for the generator room disco ball?

>>14748546

>Even for the generator room disco ball?

You mean fractal? I always thought that thing sucked ass, but it had 1 extra ammo, 10% radius and 20% damage v armor boost.

>>14748561

The extended fractal grenade did have 2 10% radius increase upgrades, though.

>>14748513

why do you want more players in your shitty little game? do you really want all the cancer to infest your game too?

>>14748513

>multiple grenades

Wiki lists only two grenades having +20 %.

Extended disco and HAP.

>>14748575

I think there was 3, maybe I miscounted.

Still, this is all beyond the point. I still really don't like the concept for having to grind two times to maximize the effectiveness of your weapons.

>>14748588

You don't have to like it. Most players dealt with it just fine and had fun. Well, until Hi-Rez outjewed themselves.

>>14748614

Yes, but "most players" are retards. It doesn't matter what they think.

>>14748626

Ebin edge

>>14748637

Maybe but that's my point. Anyone that's remotely competitive and not a casual pays attention to this shit and sees this as extremely important.

>>14748645

>Anyone that's remotely competitive

I think you mean the autistic e-sparts shitters.

>>14748668

Imagine being a shitposter.

>>14748673

No, just puggers and people who want to play the best they possibly can.

>>14748682

All the same shit.

>>14748709

This is what peak newfag looks like, wanting to fit in so badly while you haven't been here for even 2 years.

>>14748493

Yet I heard almost no one call it that despite it being far more P2W then this game.

>>14745259

league ISN'T pay to win

it's just a shitty game

Smaller weapons mode when?

Show weapons only mode when?

Heavys left hand blocking my view on the mortar is driving me nuts.

>>14748779

Maybe you spend too much time on reddit. TF2 is mostly shunned because of the p2w features and gay hats.

>>14748846

>Le reddit

At least get your boogeyman right and call me Cuckchan so you don't look new.

Also people shunned TF2 because of hats but almost no one has ever accused it of being P2W and keep in mind this game is far less P2W then TF2 ever was.

>>14748852

>implying there's a difference between reddit or cuckchan

Also what are you smoking? Everyone criticized TF2 for adding hats and going "F2P" (P2W) with lootboxes etc. That's exactly why TF2V exists.

>>14748913

Do you just not know what the terms free to play and pay to win mean or are you being stupid on purpose?

>>14748921

Clearly you don't, seeing as all "F2P" games are just P2W and not actually free, with the exception of DOTA 2.

>>14748938

Please tell me how one can pay money for an advantage in team fortress 2.

>>14748945

Some weapons are flat out better then the default. Just buy a weapon from a trader.

>>14745044

>but a friend of mine said he spent 10 hours and unlocked 1/3rd of the stuff.

so, its not korean levels of grin?

>>14748945

You can pay for better weapons you dumb nog. That's the definition of P2W.

>>14748961

>>14748971

Name a single weapon better than the default.

>>14748962

Every level requires more and more exp. not by much though.

>>14748974

Literally any melee weapon you can buy for demoman is better than the stock bottle.

>>14748962

I am a EA supporter so I have all the unlocks but I think you can probably unlock everything in the game in less than 60 hours.

>>14749003

Eyelander can be gotten from an achievement.

Claidhemah Mor is shit.

Ullapool caber was nerfed to shit.

Katana was also nerfed, making it more into a sidegrade.

Persian Persuader now sucks too.

so tl;dr the only good one is the eyelander and you get it for free from an achievement. Most of them are only good for playing demoknight and fully filling the role aside from the Ullapool which is a dumb meme weapon.

>>14748974

It's been a long while since I played tf2 man.

But the spycicle is probably a great knife for the spy, it provides fire resistant against the pyro and the deadringer and ambassador was also used way more then the original tools when they were new.

The Ambassador could give ou constant crits with every headshot and effectively you could kill snipers in just two shots. When I used to play tf2 I was gettin more kills with that gun then I was using a knife or default gun for the spy.

There is also the medics crossbow, which could give a burst of heal to a teammate while you are healing them, there is also that needle gun that stole health while the default did not.

>>14749045

>nerfs

Yet they're somehow still better than the stock bottle. Try again.

>Eyelander can be gotten from an achievement.

And you can still buy it. It's p2w dumb nigger.

>>14749062

>Yet they're somehow still better than the stock bottle. Try again.

Not really. Stock bottle has 0 downsides while all the others make you objectively worse in many situations. Unless you are a good demoknight even the eyelander sucks ass.

>And you can still buy it. It's p2w dumb nigger.

But how? You will get the eyelander for free after paying for like 3 hours casually without even knowing achievement items are a thing.

>>14749003

Who the fuck uses melee on demoman if you're not running a shield, which is worse than the sticky launcher anyway.

>>14749056

Newfags shouldn't be playing spy at all, and the crossbow and ambassador requiring aiming to be good, so only an already good player can be good with them. And the blutsuager reduces your passive heal to one hp instead of three.

How do I equip these skins the game throws at me?

>>14749099

>there was also some preorder bonus weapons like the snipers Deus ex gun, it did a lot more damage making body shots easier kills, and the only downside was that it could not fire while you did not zoom in, which is pointless since you can swap to a smg or other sub weapon to fix this problem.

All the promotional weapons that had gameplay differences and were not reskins were made into normal weapons and were dropped and sold like all the others.

>pointless

The Machina isn't even good. It's a huge disadvantage if you are not in a completely 100% safe spot surrounded by 3 sentries. You really do want the 50 damage easy hits you get while not scoped in.

>sandman

On launch it removed the double jump and made you deal half damage to non-stunned enemies.

A few months after that it took off 30 HP but you are able to doublejump again. This made scout a 1 hit rocket kill target.

Almost a year later that was reduced to 15 less HP, but that's still a 1 rocket death.

>I am confident enough believe that its still p2w.

You would be wrong. Default weapons were almost always the best option in the entire game.

>>14747873

I rebound it and jet still jumps me

I'm having issues with the "going out wide to go fast" thing and strafe jumping, I have no idea what control to hit when, or if bindings are fucked or what

>>14749195

What do you mean? It's not too hard to understand, hold down M2 and then WASD will jet you either left, right, back or forward but not up. Just jetting without hitting WASD will make you go up.

>>14747967

No, Ascend in the beta was actually perfect, all the bullshit came later on and is the reason we can't play anymore.

>>14747936

Ascend is the good Tribes game.

>>14749232

>The machina does good what its suppose to do, snipe people at a distance like most snipers would do. If its sniper vs sniper, that extra damage is an advantage, you cant deny this.

But the player is at a disadvantage in many more situations because he can't fire while unscoped. The extra damage is paltry and useless since both the default and the machina are one hit fully charged kills against other snipers. If the enemy sniper was running to his position, the enemy sniper were to run to his position and the machina sniper was already fully charged up and in position, it wouldn't matter what weapon he was using since the default would have killed him in one shot too.

>Unless you wanna be a huntsmen player. There is also the snipers knife that causes bleeding.

Huntsman is an achievement item and the knife that causes bleeding is pretty shit.

>Just because a certain tool you can buy might provide a disadvantage in certain areas that can be worked around with, people can buy these for the advantages they are aiming for.

But the disadvantages leave them much weaker in other situations. Snipers don't automatically win since they have one weapon over the other. The one that's better at headshotting will win anyway.

>The spycicle is so the spy cant be burnt and can avoid a class that COUNTERS HIM. The dead ringer is used to help people terrible at sneaking around and want to escape safely only to try stabbing again on someone less fortunate.

Yes, deadringer/icicle spies are annoying as fuck, it's a crutch for bad players, but it also forces you out of action for 15 seconds or until you find ammo if you get hit.

>As from a previous message you said before with ambassador being useful for good players, if you had two good spy players and one had the ambassador while the other did not, the one that bought the gun while the other des not have it is at a disadvantage. It doesnt mean its an auto matic win true, but if there was a situation where they were both seen at a distance and that headshot lands, its not gonna be good for the spy that has the default.

If both players were good they'd have spent enough time to have the achievement to unlock the Ambassador already, and if the Ambassador player missed he'd have to wait a second before firing another shot while the regular player would have gotten 2 easy shots on them in that second putting him under half HP. If both were 100% HP the Amby player would still have to hit 1 headshot and 1 bodyshot, if he were to say fuck that and go for bodyshots only he would be at a disadvantage because it fires slower and deals less damage.

>Its still pay 2 win, you can't deny this.

But it's not. It's not pay to win if it puts you at a disadvantage in numerous other situations.

>>14749322

see

>>14748716

>>14749349

PLEASE see

>>14748716

again and read it until you fuck off permanently.

>>14749354

That's happened to me in plenty of games. Something windows 10 users can do is make another desktop and open task manager inside that, then kill the process.

>>14749374

sure thing newfriend

>>14749205

I mean whether I'm skating or not, pressing WASD and RMB will make me jump and it seems like it fucks up my momentum or makes it hard to stick into curves because the jump sends me up and the direction I want to go

>>14749354

Why not use borderless windowed?

>>14749417

I don't think there is, sorry.

>>14749422

Borderless windowed forces vertical sync since you are playing the game on the Windows desktop, which has forced vsync. Some people have lower performance too.

>>14749374

I really hope everyone who uses dikecord will have their computers bricked or files stolen.

>>14749224

Tribes 2 was the best Tribes game. Kill yourself newfag.

>>14749438

>(61) posts

>1/4 of the entire thread (more if you've been ID hopping)

It's time to stop posting.

>YOU'RE REDDIT

>NO YOU'RE A REDDIT

love it

>>14749485

Let's be clear, t2:c is best. (unless you're one of those weirdos that liked base++)

t2 out of the box was barely functional and had a speed cap

>>14749545

>>14749554

>>14749555

Hur dur anyone talking about new games is a shill or a newfag.

This attitude is killing /v/. Midair is the only hope for the fps-z genre.

>>14749653

Back to >>>/cuckchan/

>>14745567

Bloode Eagle

Diamond Sword

Star Wolf

Children of Phoenix et. al.

+bioderm tribes

and a few minor ones.

>>14749485

T2:classic and derivitives. Some really good mods too.

Ascend probably played the Renegade mod and said, yeah we need more overpowered high velocity guns.

>>14749707

>post excessively in a thread to defend a game you don't like

SHILL

>don't post enough in the thread

(1) and done

Really can't win with you cucks.

>mortar lands close to the target

>there's a micrometer high ledge blocking direct line of sight to the target

>target takes no damage even when it's clearly in the blast radius

These fags made the same mistake that Hi-Rez did in T:A. Fucking reddit devs.

WHEN WILL YOU LEARN

>>14749719

>you don't like

I meant a game you like obviously.

>>14749720

Don't quote me on this, but I distinctly remember that shit happening in the previous games too. Doesn't excuse it tho

>>14749720

indestructable terrain is indestructable, and blast proof.

>you will never have Tribes with destructable terrain, allowing you to spinfusor your own skislope

>>14749720

I suppose the alternative to doing hit scan detection on the blast would be to temporarily generate an explosion hitbox, but then you run into the lovely issue of lingering hitboxes if they fuck that up.

>>14749743

>lingering hitboxes

Did Unreal devs fuck something up again? I haven't had those kinds of issues in UE4, at least.

>>14749743

I'm sure there's some mathmaticaly expedient way to calculate either an overpressure path and/or a penetrative blast.

Maybe you have the point explosion for direct fragmentation damage, and then calculate if there is visibilty on some non-penetrating sphere of maybe a .3m radius. If the character has visibilty of the edge of the sphere they take some concussion damage. Doesn't even have to be a real sphere just a finite number of rays that approximate one.

>>14749748

You know your argument is golden when you defend Overwatch and claim TF2 is pay to win.

>>14749733

It did. You could easily jump behind a corner to dodge a mortar before it landed, since the green trail was highly visible. Modeling an accurate blast wave was never part of the Tribes games. It didn't matter because heavies were mostly for defense and base destruction, their weapons not well-suited to offensive accuracy against highly mobile targets. Their job is to be where the smaller guys want to be and punish them for trying to get there.

>>14749830

It's the best kind of bait, the kind which is completely true yet you still get triggered hard because you can't accept it.

>>14749670

>>14749646

>>14749719

>Mods defending an actual shill thread by deleting criticism

What the fuck? OP has 61 goddamn posts ITT and he only stopped when I called him out on it.

>>14749830

>claim TF2 is pay to win.

TF2 is pay to win just a light version of it. Also Valve fucking the balance on weapons messes with whether or not a paid for gun is overpowered.

>>14749893

I stopped because I was going to sleep you retard. It's 0:06 right now and I'm only posting this because I cannot fall asleep.

I have this many posts because Midair is a game I have followed for 2 years and want to see succeed, I want FPS-Z as a genre to become more popular and active.

>>14749907

>a paid gun

That's either all or none you fucking nigger. They all can drop, and you can buy all of them.

>>14749748

Stock is the best though. I run all my classes stock aside from Sandvich on Heavy, Jag for Engineer and Equalizer for Soldier, and I have 900 hours on the game. All of those are achievement items too.

>>14749968

The devs drop by to test stuff for the most part. BugsPray is pretty good and Void has hit me with some really good MA shots back in EA.

Gachatar or Half Master? Eat shit and die nigger. You are the cancer of TDM.

>>14749954

>That's either all or none you fucking nigger. They all can drop, and you can buy all of them.

And so the game is pay to win. True it's not massively jewish in pay to win terms but you can still pay or grind for an unfair advantage however minor. Bullshit like 'muh stock weapons are better' or 'it only takes x hours to unlock everything' don't change that. There must be zero tolerance.

>>14749943

>it's 0:06 right now and I'm only posting this because I cannot fall asleep.

If that's the case then going by the times of your posts last night you made this thread at midnight, were up until 4am defending this game and then came back here to start defending it at 9am. You literally slept for only five hours and came right back to this thread to argue for it. Lotta loyalty for a hired shill.

>>14749943

>I have this many posts because I want the game to succeed, become active and popular.

You basicly admitted you're a shill. What, you just gonna post shit ITT untill everyone in /v/ loves the game?

Just kill yourself.

>>14749980

Yes, I went to sleep at 5:00 and woke up at 12:30. I didn't want to fuck my sleep cycle up too bad for Monday and wake up at 16:00 on Sunday which I normally do when I stay up late. It was painful to wake up at 12:00 but I managed it.

>>14749967

>I run stock except 3/9 classes

>>14750008

But that's still 3/9. As I said, anyone will unlock those items with normal gameplay via achievements if they are invested into the game.

>>14749999

>a yuropoor is shilling this game

>for free

>for (66) posts

>he screeches at hotpockets on dikecord to defend his shilling

>on a mongolian fingerpainting mosaic

Where do you think you are, >>>/reddit/?

>>14749999

anon…. I know you like the game, but they WILL betray you once it gets popular (unless you're the dev, but I don't think they would go this far). the system is already there for p2w, all it takes is a few updates. don't exhaust yourself shilling this game it isn't worth it, trust me I've been there and it didn't end well…

>>14750211

Honestly I'd rather it gets to the popular point and dies in soul because at least I'll be able to play for a year or two instead of a month.

It makes me wish I could have done tribes, but I didn't get my rig until after it died off

>>14750225

>doesn't contribute at all

>only whines and moans about others talking about games

>i-it's the mods that are ruining this site

Jesus Christ, mate. Fuck off already.

>>14750246

But even if anons know that it is truly dead, the devs will believe that they are doing the right thing, because the numbers are big. That would be enabling bad and predatory business practices, along with enabling lazy half-cocked games to warrant a price tag.

Don't enable fags just for your two minutes of fun, think of the long term consequences.

>>14750258

Oh shit Manatech is one of the devs? I had him on my team all day today.

He was really happy being an engineer it seemed

>>14750211

I doubt that. I may be wrong as I don't have the ability to predict the future but I trust the developers. To screw their core playerbase who have supported them for 4 years I feel will be totally unlikely. Also, most of the players are Tribes veterans and they won't stand for that shit.

>>14750258

BugsPray (lead dev) is Australian and plays during their times. I fragged him once in Early Access. Swordfish is a super chill dude and generally plays PUGs on stream.

>>14747898

>objectively better weapons

you've never played tf2 have you?

>game crashes while alt-tabbing

>skilled up masteries vanish when crash

>easily hacked by cheat engine

>jetpack is fucked up not like tribes ascend at all.

And i have played this game only for 20 minutes.

>>14750499

>works on my machine

>server issue

>meh

>learn to play, this isn't an Ascend clone and was never meant to be

>>14750535

ascend babies will be the problem with this game

>>14750535

>this isn't an Ascend clone and was never meant to be

>literally exact copy of ascend

Are you done?

>>14750603

>wtf its not like ascend

>also its an ascend clone

make up your mind retard

>>14750589

At this point I'm hoping enough actual new players join in to drown out the "Tribes veterans" that only played Ascend.

>>14750620

im saying if you going to copy ascend you might as well copy jetpack movement and stop being retarded will you nigger im going to slay you.

>>14750404

Melee is useful for Pyro (if you're playing with a brain), but they went and made an alternate axe that does more damage during the only time you should be using it (when the enemy is on fire).

>>14750603

>>14750629

Are you mentally disabled? This game was supposed to be like Tribes 2 with some sprinkling of what the devs learned when they made Legions Overdrive from the start. Tribes is more than just Ascend.

>>14750624

New blood could only be good at this point for a community that was essentially 20 tribesNEXT players and the rest being ascend babies.

>>14750647

tell devs to fix their game or no play

>>14750499

>easily hacked by cheat engine

Does that mean health and skill points are client side? can I give myself god mode and infinite ammo?

>>14750629

Retarded newfag

>>14750753

Nigga Genes

>>14749980

To be fair they could have not allowed a free option at all and made it a standard purchase. I for one am glad it has a free option because now I can see its a buggy ass game that crashes almost every time the map changes and it shouldn't have been removed from "early access." It's really more of a demo model than one that hopes to nickel and dime players for all they're worth.

>>14751627

>It's really more of a demo model than one that hopes to nickel and dime players for all they're worth.

I think they came out of early access earlier than they had hoped to rush the F2P release due to lack of population. They were getting bullied hard over a dead playerbase so it most likely was more of a desperation move.

Enjoying it but at the end of the day I'd rather play T:A, if it wasn't a rotting corpse full of hitscan faggots.

>>14750633

So you have to buy a new skin to make so you don't have to play as one.

>>14753077

Rich Evans is an aryan warrior and you cannot prove me wrong.

>>14750633

Yeah, Apu is just a stereotype and doesn't reflect reality.

Alright what really bothers me about the game is the bumpiness of fucking everything, it really is an issue on some maps like Howling Shithole.

>>14753448

Yeah, I couldn't get any speed on that map whatsoever, where other maps had some nice grooves. Seems like they didn't put much effort or thought into the maps. They should have designed a track(s) and painted a map around it.

LCTF is far and away the best gamemode and there's like 1 server running it at any time.

>>14754704

What is LCTF? I was just playing CTF.

>>14754916

Soyboys-only CTF.

>TFW they will probably change the jetpacking to be more like Tribes Ascends to appease the masses of retarded cuckchan and redditfags

Are the characters scanned from clay models or someshit? They look like retards with plastic armor.

>>14754329

There is no "they" fyi. They put basically any maps that the community designed in beta and picked out the majority of the best, they'll redesign and do more shit later. Look at the map "Dam" for a good example.

>>14755130

It's not really something I care about if they will keep them free like they are now tbh.

>>14756780

Anything could drop from the crates, but you can also buy specific things*