/v/ - Video Games

>>14743432

Freddy is shit tier against seasoned players. But new players like me who didn't know half the controls and haven't unlocked any skills, Freddy was a death sentence because there was really nothing you could do about him.

The only thing that the two posts in this thread clarify about this game is that it fucking sucks.

>>14743474

Its fun. Either working as a team or being a bully.

>>14743474

I haven't played it personally, but from what I've seen it has a couple glaring issues. The biggest one is probably the "survive with friends" mode, which let's you group up with as many as 3 other people. This leads to groups of survivors who are all working together and communicated with disagreement in a game that is largely based upon survivors not having a direct method of communication with each other. The advantage that the survivors get from communicating is kinda stupid and there's nothing that the killer can do about it. The survivors can just avoid the killer all game because they can easily keep track of where he is.

>>14743619

I would say 'make it so talking makes a ping on the map' like being able to hear players talking on the mike in the division but they would just use an outside voice thing like team speak or something.

Like most asymmetrical games not only is it poorly balanced but the fanbase is also split between the two 'camps'. It doesn't help that the developers play definite favorites towards the survivor camp, with graphical and audio glitches being fixed instantly for them but those playing killer need to wait months to get any kind of response on these topics (essentially making it much harder for the killers to actually track down players).

Also the developers are pretty incompetent. The game is riddled with bugs such as certain skills not even triggering when they should and some older perks that would increase item effectiveness being ignored because 'It's Too Hard to Code' (This being Tinkerer, a killer specific teachable perk that has been not even implemented for the last two DLC characters released). These Quebecois smoothbrains are only hanging on because they're probably the only remaining asymmetrical game on the market that could last this long.

Embed is partially related, you get to see one of the big wheels from the development team get called out on his shit by a bunch of Korean streamers and get bullied hard by a coordinated team, which is hardly uncommon, and also suggest that if you don't like the way the game is going just stop playing their game and go play Civ V.

>>14744099

This. Also, to answer OP's question, all of the killers are shit except for the Nurse who is the only killer viable for high level play. Why? Because she's the only killer in the game that can ignore pallet looping and thus the only killer in the game that can't be bullied to death with cheesy bullshit. Problem is you have to level up the other shit killers to unlock the good perks for her, like BBQ&Chilli from Leatherface, Hex: Ruin from the Hag, and Make Your Choice from the Pig.

>>14744182

Huntress seems far more useful in some scenarios. A throwing axe ignores a pallet as well as a blink. Hitting some dumbass trying to window loop and downing them is very satisfying.

>>14744218

Huntress can catch people in animation locks when they jump a pallet or window, but it's a lot more difficult and can still be avoided. Nurse doesn't give a shit, she just teleports. Plus, triple blink is a common addon, so you'll have that every single game.

Huntress is the second best killer in the game, but that's still miles below Nurse.

>>14744218

>>14744182

The holy trinity is Nurse, Huntress, and Hillbilly because each of them can circumvent the major issue of looping that all other killers have no real answer for.

Nurses teleport offers the highest control and skill ceiling, huntresses ranged hatchets are similar and can get hits from afar but the hitboxes are a dumpster fire so she is below Nurse.

Billy is the fastest killer and offers one hit downs but the indoor maps make that very difficult at times so I would put him on level with Huntress but both below Nurse.

Everyone else is varying degrees of ineffective against higher ranks when you get stuck with the people who have this game down to a science.

>>14744282

I really hope the rumours of a shapeshifter/skinwalker/doppelganger killer are true. A killer that can change their model to look like a survivor could lead to some fun paranoai to mix this up right out of The Thing.

>>14744347

Interesting idea but premades destroy that notion. The closest we will get to that is Pigs ability to crouch stealth and colorations making her look like a survivor unless they get in striking range

>>14744359

Unless you are constantly updating your team where you all are it works. These are random maps afterall. You can't say "i spawned at point X, team check in" and go full tacticool minute to minute.

The killer just needs to round a corner as Mei and appear to be looking around for the killer as you start to work on the generator and then BAM skinwalker on your ass.

>>14744359

I really don´t get why the devs even allow for friend groups to queue together. The whole game is designed around the survivors not being able to communicate, after all.

>>14746073

The game got reviewbombed to hell by survivor players during the beta and first few weeks of release for not having a team mode, even though it was never meant to be a team game in the first place. Either the devs are spineless and crumbled or Starbreeze forced them to put it in after that.

Either way it has completely fucked the game and nearly 2 years later they still have done absolutely nothing to fix it.

SWF takes all the existing balance problems with the game and multiplies them by a thousand, then piles on its own unique problems on top of it.

SWF either needs to be quarantined to a separate mode entirely or have the entire game redesigned from the ground up to be balanced around it.

>>14747354

Streamers focussed heavily on survivors -because obviously running with a team of bodyguards fits the usual streamer tier cowardice- and starbreeze told them to 'make their experience better' because 'its free marketing.png'.

Which lead to the shitshow of 'mains'

>>14743432

Nightmare is utterly worthless against any player who knows how his abilities work.

He is a pure scrub stomper and nothing else.

Worst killer in the game by a massive margin.

Cannibal is just awful. There is no reason to play him while Shape & Hillbilly exist.

Again, purely a scrub killer.

Shape is also bad. High end of trash tier at absolute best.

There are 3 main builds for him and all are bad.

>Basic build

You are a hillbilly with no mobility, and only a limited number of uses for your chainsaw

>Fragrant Tuft

You are a killer with no power as smart survivors will abuse your longer charge up time by breaking LoS constantly, meaning you will never get your precious unlimited mode until the endgame where its too late, that is if you even manage to get it at all

>Shattered Mirror

Pure meme build, only works on 2 specific maps and even then competent Survivors will abuse the fuck out of your pathetic movement speed, hilariously short lunge range, and inability go gain bloodlust

>>14744347

Even without SWF a shapeshifter killer would never work.

After you attack the first time the survivors will just avoid other Survivors for the rest of the game.

Shapeshifting is an ability that only works the first time, then for the rest of the game you are essentially a powerless killer.

>>14747448

If it makes people stay away from each other then its not only working the first time. Forget just a easy ambush attack think about the long term of the match. If a survivor is injured and sees a survivor coming to heal them they could assume its the killer and fun, wasting seconds you can then spend damaging generators or targeting someone else.

Its about the chaos, not the kill, like any good 'spy' type.

I've never even played this game but I enjoy reading these threads about strategy and balance.

Not shilling.

>>14747614

This is Neo /v/. Every positive reaction to a game is shilling and dubs are the official downboat, come on son get with the program.

>>14747629

>I keep hearing

>>14747542

That is not actually as good as it sounds.

Each survivor working on separate objectives independently is overall more efficient than them working together.

>>14747592

I would recommend keeping it that way.

DBD is a massive balancing disaster, and the devs are completely incompetent.

>>14747662

On paper yes of course, tell that to the guy that thinks hes being a hero stalking female characters with a torch 'to protect them'.

Now theres a goddamn catfish scenario.

>>14743432

>>14744182

BBQ is basically run by 80% of all killers to either EZ MODE survivor locator or "i run it for the points being able to find everyone super easy is just a bonus!" so just get used to hiding behind unfinished generators for four seconds to block the aura or running in one direction then switching directions after four seconds. Sadly most of your retarded pub teammates won't know this so they fall victim to the killer bee-lining to their dumbasses to hook them.

>>14747681

Again, that wouldn't happen with competent players.

As soon as its realised the Killer is shape shifter, any competent player will know to not bother with each other.

"Hope your opponents are idiots" is never a valid option for game balance or strategy.

>>14747737

BBQ is honestly overrated. Its not a bad perk by any means, its actually one of the few non-shit perks Killers have.

Its just not the "MUST-HAVE" a lot of Killer players think it is, nor is it the "INSANELY OP PLS NERF NOW" perk a lot of Survivors think it is.

>>14747768

its actually a bullying simulator.

>>14747354

Honestly not having party options would be tantamount to suicide, but the big issues is that as others have pointed out if fucks the killers by putting them in a complete disadvantage. There should be a scaling bonus for killers based on the number of premades they have to deal with, such as keeping their addons, or reduced animation recovery times (Especially on Successful Hits/Pallet Breaking). This is only a bandaid though and would require some serious work to get it to be fair to the killers without being ridiculously broken and further shoving things into W+M1 simulator

>>14747737

BBQ is really just run for the currency modifier you get post game and the way you can now tell if you have a survivor within your radius when you hook someone. 9\10 if you zoom for someone your survivor is getting unhooked, it really adds nothing to the game and can only be called powerful once you have a player dead and there is only one or two left.

>>14749415

The entire game from the ground up was balanced around 4 randoms, not teams, is the thing though.

It cannot be fixed with just a few tweaks like you suggest.

There is only 2 ways to actually fix it.

A) Make SWF mode completely separate thing from normal gameplay.

Killers are already weak as hell even when not against SWF and solo Survivors are overpowered enough on their own when played properly, dont need SWF shit stacking more problems on.

Killers & Solo Survivors who want to play the game as it was originally intended should not be forced to play with SWF players.

B) Rebalance and redesign the entire game from the beginning around SWF & voice comms.

But really at that point they might as well just make a new game entirely.

>>14749550

>It cannot be fixed with just a few tweaks like you suggest.

Which is why I stated that it's a bandaid and wold require serious work to actually address as an issue, you mong.

but here's the rub. Que times are already high at all ranks since the emblem system, further splintering by having SWF only and Randos only will only drive it up further and lets be real here, atleast 75% of all survivors are some form of premade so having dedicated solo queue and dedicate premade queue will not solve anything.

>>14749611

Quality over quantity m8.

Its better to have a few good matches over a dozen absolutley fucked matches.

>>14743432

It's pretty fun.

Friday the 13th was better tbh.

>>14762990

Not really. At least when I played it, it had a lot of issues and the devs were more worried about banning people than fixing the game.

More like Fag by Gaylight lmao

>>14747768

>There are two people in a wood, and they run into a bear. The first person gets down on his knees to pray; the second person starts lacing up his boots. The first person asks the second person, “My dear friend, what are you doing? You can’t outrun a bear.” To which the second person responds, “I don’t have to. I only have to outrun you.”

>>14743628

>talking in shitcord makes a ping ingame

you're retarded holy shit

The devs are currently doing a live stream of their new game.

>>14763273

A good story device, but we're talking about a coop game here.

>>14764391

Actually not really.

The game from the beginning concepts was meant to be optional co-op.

Being selfish, screwing over other Survivors to save your own ass and leaving others to die is a 100% valid method of play.

It is not co-op game at heart and was never meant to be.

>>14764501

Pretty much this.

>>14763018

It was more fun though.

>>14770560

Shit taste.

>>14772560

Get out.

Bumpa because Im interested in other anons input on this dumpster fire.