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Honestly, I just want Hyrule Warriors 2: Lots of Extra Costumes Edition.

>>14741149

good taste

>>14741149

Acceptable choice.

>>14741109

I hate it

In the next game I want Link to have a thief mom. Who doesn't want a milf thief as a mom?

>>14741213

The only family I ever saw Link have was a sister, grandma and uncle. Be the first for him to have a mom in the series.

>>14741014

i dont remember link smoking

>>14741109

It's Skyrim done better, but I'm not sure it's Skyrim done right. It still has many problems.

>>14741249

Damn, I wrote a fan fiction where Link said "motherfucker" but I didn't think to have Daruninia give him a stogie.

Will we ever get a LoZ game away from tumblr influence? Hyrule Warriors helped a bit but I feel like Nintendo is letting tumblr steer them closer to purple tunic zelda saves prince link.

>>14741288

>I feel like Nintendo is letting tumblr steer them closer to purple tunic zelda saves prince link.

By what indication? If you're talking about the Gerudo outfit, may I remind you that FFVII had Cloud dress as a girl, complete with an uncomfortable bath scene with lots of burly men, just so he could get into a fat, older man's bedroom? Having the hero reluctantly cross-dress is just something Japan thinks is funny.

>>14741288

>Japan

>Influenced by Tumblr

You're retarded.

>>14741318

I hate how garish the HUD becomes, once you start freeing divine beasts.

>>14741288

Its funny that you mention that Hyrule Warriors is reversing the trend, considering they were the ones to introduce "what if Link was a GIRL!".

BotW Zelda is a good character, but I was hardly call her a "strong independent womyn". The entire story basically revolves around how her failure to live as a "Zelda" has basically destroyed her self confidence entirely and how big dick Link basically goes from "I hate him cause he is so fucking awesome" to "I love him cause he is so fucking awesome".

If anything, BotW almost trends away from Tumblr.

>>14741326

There's pro-HUD mode which gets rid of everything but your hearts IIRC. There's also a mod if you have PC/modded WiiU to just completely remove the HUD

I better contribute to the thread huh?

>Favorite Game

A Link to the Past

>Favorite Boss

Blind the Thief for how you have to reveal her.

>Best OST

Wind Waker's soundtrack was the first that made me feel Zelda's OST can evolve beyond the main theme.

>Best Story

Majora's Mask for the sidequests.

>Best Side Character

Cia from Hyrule Warriors not for the tits.

>Best Sidekick

Midna, no competition.

>Favorite Mechanic

Context sensitive action button as Camp Corncheese as it sounds.

>Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

Link - Original/Zelda II

Zelda - Skyward Sword if Hyrule Warriors isn't allowed

Ganondorf - Twilight Princess

Ganon - Ocarina of Time

>>14741241

Lorewise I think Link being the bastard of a courageous knight and a noble rogue could open up interesting dynamics with how the characters around Link interact with him. Especially if the rogue was of a noble family whom lost everything to her name and will do everything to get it back. Gameplay-wise having a mother as a rogue means she has taught Link how to use Thieve's Tools like lock picks for sequence breaking dungeons, magnifying glasses for decyphering thieve's code, camoflauge, disguises, and rope for EVERYTHING from zip line arrows to pulley lifting heavy blocks, to trapwires.

>>14741331

>"what if Link was a GIRL!".

If the next game in the main series were to ever go with a female Link, there'll be nothing but endless rape hentai of Ganon or the Moblins raping the fuck out of female Link until she gets mind broken and bears children.

Anyway, time to contribute.

>Favorite Game

OOT for 3D and ALTTP for 2D

>Favorite Boss

Koloktos

>Best OST

Wind Waker

>Best Story

Majora's Mask

>Best Side Character

Tingle

>Best Sidekick

Midna

>Favorite Mechanic

Grabbing enemy weapons

>Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

ALTTP Zelda

OOT Link

TP Ganondorf/OOT Ganon

>>14741014

>>Favorite Game

Currently ALBW, but needs time to settle into its place in the whole series. LTTP is probably actually better.

>>Favorite Boss

Bosses are the weak point of the series ("pun" intended) and I barely fucking remember any of them.

>>Best OST

Skyward Sword is best relative to the game, but WW is probably best overall.

>>Best Story

Twilight Princess

>>Best Side Character

Beedle by a fucking mile

>>Best Sidekick

Midna obviously

>>Favorite Mechanic

Unironically bomb bowling

>>Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

WW for all three.

>>14741109

>no dungeons like previous games, instead many many 1- or 2-puzzle shrines with the divine beasts as mini-dungeons

>no character development for NPCs or actual stories involving them, just simple "go here, do X" quests, no sense of connection between Link and NPCs

>can't buy or sell weapons, one of the most important commodities in a post-apocalypse that everyone has

>every animal, plant and mineral has a couple of specific uses in crafting and only exists to be farmed for those uses

>even the dragons seem cool at first but then you realize you're going to have to farm them and figure out a system for how to get them to spawn when you're at the end of the game and need their materials

>instead of previous zeldas where tools have wide-ranging uses and you hold onto them for the whole game, everything is not just disposable but extremely fragile, and you can't do anything to maintain and care for your arsenal

>everything resets occasionally because of the blood moon, so there's no reason to bother conserving/managing resources anyway

It's a fun game but it has huge fucking flaws. The degree to which Link just consumes resources is kind of disturbing actually. He's like some kind of black hole sucking up the bounty of the land and burning through the craftsmanship of its people. And Ganon seems to be causing the blood moon, so it's this weird scenario where you have this all-consuming "hero" who's trying to defeat the "ancient evil" who is constantly replenishing resources.

>>14741407

It's like Nintendo operates on extremes. When people mock Nintendo for rehashing the same IP with the same basic gameplay, Nintendo's solution was to change the majority of the formula or add tons of gimmicks in order to differentiate from previous entries.

Ocarina of Time

I dunno, Goht maybe

best mechanic: Roc's Feather

best incarnation: Ocarina of Time

>>14741407

The problem is the OoT and Majoras Mask were just so fucking good that every 3D Zelda after now looks like shit by comparison

>>14741465

>he problem is the OoT and Majoras Mask were just so fucking good that every 3D Zelda after now looks like shit by compari

Here I thought that "OOT is the best Zelda" ever crowd died out.

>>14741465

Nah, there were plenty of things they could have done after Ocarina of Time. Nintendo Aonuma just fucked up with Majora's Mask and then stopped trying.

>>14741469

It genuinely is though. Not by a large margin.

>Best game

Majora's mask

>Favorite Boss

OOT Iron Knuckles

>Best OST

A Link to the Past

>Best Story

Majora's Mask

>Best Side Character

Malon

>Best Sidekick

None

>Favorite Mechanic

Light world/Dark world

>Best incarnation of Link

Majora's mask

>Best incarnation of Zelda

Twilight Princess

>Best incarnation of Ganon

A Link to the Past

Is it even worthwhile to get a switch yet? I thought breath of the wild looked fun, but it didn't really look like a zelda. Odyssey looked great though

>>14741469

OoT is probably top 3 at least.

I think a big part of why its so well regarded aside from being millenials' first vidya is that it doesn't do really anything spectacular, but it doesn't really do anything bad, which in itself is amazing, considering that I can probably count on one hand games that I'd call good that do "nothing bad".

MM is better imo, but OoT isn't a piece of shit or anything.

>>14741149

>tfw you're the only sheika of your generation not to desert and join the Yiga clan

>>14741181

BotW easily has the worst music of the series. They could have had something more interesting with the dissonant sort of direction they went, but it was all so simple and repetitive that it felt like a placeholder.

>>14741461

Linebeck was awesome.

>>14741482

This. OoT's primary strength is the lack of flaws.

>>14741484

Oh fuck I forgot about Linebeck. That man is my fucking hero

>>14741109

it just needs sexlab so you can get the prostitutes from gerudo town

>>14741482

They weren't wrong calling OOT the best Zelda game at the time of release. It was truly revolutionary and it was a blueprint that many games and IPs look to for inspiration. As one of the first adventure games in 3D, it was definitely impressive. In a way it's not so fair to judge it by today's standards.

>>14741482

>>14741484

OoT had a genuine heart and soul. There were very memorable moments that I think made it at the very least exceptional. I still remember the first time becoming adult Link after getting the 3 spiritual stones. I thought the game was at least half over after the first 3 stones. Then I literally grew up and realized this shit was just beginning. That blew me away.

Is it the "best game ever made"? Fuck no. But I still think it deserves that title more than the trash that's up on every mainstream journalists top 10 lists now. What the fuck is it nowadays? GTA V? Undertale?

<Favorite Game

Majora's Mask

<Favorite Boss

Koloktos and Wind Waker Puppet Ganon

<Best OST

Ocarina of Time

<Best Story

Majora's Mask

<Best Side Character

Ravio

<Best Sidekick

Midna and Medli

<Favorite Mechanic

<Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

Zelda - Skyward Sword

Link - Wind Waker

Ganon - Ocarina of Time

>>14741498

>What the fuck is it nowadays? GTA V? Undertale?

I don't know why people even bother writing best game lists. The greatest game of all time is Super Mario World. Second Greatest is Majora's Mask. Third Greatest is old DOOM

>>14741510

>I don't know why people even bother writing best game lists.

To try to figure out the "Citizen Kane" of vidya, like Terranigma or Chrono Trigger.

>>14741510

The only reason I will say OoT is better than MM, and I know I'm back-pedaling right now, is because OoT did have a grander and more varied soundtrack while MM just used the same leitmotif for all of its areas. That said, I couldn't even tell you what I think the bet games of all time are. OoT, Majoras Mask, SMW, and Doom would definitely all be top 10s though

>>14741109

Darksiders is more of a Zelda Game. Starfox adventures is more of a Zelda game.

The engine it runs on could absolutely work in a Zelda game but they didn't build a series of related, interlocking quests or interesting characters who fit into a story. Everyone is just a questgiver or a cog in a short piece. I hope they do like MM after OOT and reuse the resources to make a smaller, more focused game with a more unusual setup and more Zelda-like mechanics.

>>14741498

>muh nostalgia

You're not wrong that it's good, but that's not what makes it the best. Every other 3D Zelda has serious problems. What makes OOT stand above the rest is the broad appeal, proper formula, and no real point of criticism.

>>14741512

"Citizen Kane is the best movie" is a stupid meme. Citizen Kane is important because it was so influential and established the standard "Hollywood movie" formula. The parallel for vidya is unequivocally the Half Life series which gave us totally linear "story based" action games that focused on set pieces and separated the gameplay into discrete segments, but disguise that by connecting them in the game's world space instead of putting them in separate worlds connected by a menu.

>>14741517

>I hope they do like MM after OOT and reuse the resources to make a smaller, more focused game with a more unusual setup and more Zelda-like mechanics.

Nintendo is keeping the BoTW formula and want to improve upon that. It feels as if BoTW was an experiment and they might add more shit or tweak shit next game, hopefully proper dungeons. We may never get an OOT formula Zelda ever again.

>>14741527

>Ocarina isn't the best 3D Zelda, it's the most average. It doesn't exceed amazingly well in any particular category, but does a wide variety of things decently. It's story is standard,

I agree. I said it was only considered to be the best Zelda on release which then got outdone by sequels. It did win game of the year.

>>14741522

>Playing modern vidya has me seriously wondering if I just genuinely hate 90% of video games now. The only games I enjoy anymore are some Nintendo games and Platinum games.

Nothing is meant to be a single player experience anymore. That tends to be my problem. Gaming has become a social activity rather than a solitary one. I mean look at the success of fortnite and the battle royale genre. They aren't good games with mechanical depth, they're something you can throw on while you talk with your friends over voicechat

>>14741534

There are some decent AA Nip games. If push comes to shove, retrogaming it is.

>>14741482

>MM is better imo

>half the levels

>even easier in spite of more character building to do

Your opinion is wrong.

>>14741527

What are you talking about? Linebeck is the fucking man. I've always loved the money-grubbing jerk with a heart of gold archetype though

>>14741014

>Favorite Game

Wind Waker

>Favorite Boss

Goat boss from Majora's Mask

>Best OST

Split between LttP and OoT

>Best Story

Wind Waker. So many Zelda games are just "If you fail, Ganon will take over Hyrule!" meanwhile Wind Waker has Link actually have blood relatives and for their lives to be at stake (Grandma would have died of a broken heart if Aryll died/never returned)

Best Side Character.

Beedle

>Best Sidekick

Midna

>Favorite Mechanic

The under-appreciated mechanic of directional inputs changing your attacks that peaked in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Then was promptly murdered by the meme of motion controls, never to be seen again.

>Best incarnation of Zelda

Her adult OoT look is still my favorite because of the elegant simplicity, with NES Zelda being a close second because I wanna protect that smile.

>Link

Twilight Princess because it's the manliest, most /fit/ Link of the whole series

>Ganon

OoT Ganon is still the scariest and most badass looking of all the Ganons.

For the future of the series I hope they can just take the BoTW formula and make an actual game out of it. They clearly spend too much time with creating the sandbox and trying to figure out how to make their systems synergize in the nice way they do. But now they need to take what they've learned makes for a fun sandbox, and put some fucking content in the next game. The fact that the only boss that utilized the game's signature climbing mechanic is a sub-boss is a god damn disgrace.

>>14741548

Glad that I'm not the only one that thinks BoTW was an experiment.

>>14741559

OoT was also an experiment. Arguably more experimental than BotW. I'm just saying, it's no excuse

>>14741566

You have a point there.

I haven't enjoyed a Zelda game since LTTP. I gave up on the series after playing OOT. Can't say I've regretted it from what I've seen.

>>14741527

>What's the deal? I thought Linebeck was hated?

I think people just disliked that he was kind of the gatekeeper reinforcing the sequence.

>>14741529

>Half-Life wasn't even the first of what you would describe as a "modern" first-person shooter game.

Citizen Kane wasn't the first film of its kind, just the one that garnered the most attention. Largely because of the politics involved. The vidya equivalent of the Hollywood formula is your paint-by-numbers action/shooter game. Holding up Citizen Kane as something good that we should look for in vidya is a mistake IMO.

>>14741530

>We may never get an OOT formula Zelda ever again.

Maybe not but I hope we at least get more interesting quests and characters instead of the boring simple shit in BOTW. I can see the reason to keep it simple for the experimental one, but the story/stories really need more development next time.

>>14741548

>The under-appreciated mechanic of directional inputs changing your attacks that peaked in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess.

Combat in general is pretty underwhelming, but since BOTW had too many weapons they probably didn't have the time to give you 3 or 4x the attacks based on directions

>The fact that the only boss that utilized the game's signature climbing mechanic is a sub-boss is a god damn disgrace.

The only bosses that used non-combat mechanics were thunderblight optionally using magnesis and waterblight kind of requiring cryonis.

>>14741504

*Addendum

<Favorite Mechanic

Twilight Princess' comfy fishing

>>14741592

>but the story/stories really need more development next time.

BoTW was disappointing in that the story is all in a flashback. Be nice to experience the story instead of just flashbacks. I see everyone outside of /v/ sucking on BoTW's dick, but there's flaws I see that prevent me from agreeing with them that it's the best Zelda,

>>14741559

Their GDC panel makes it abundantly clear that most of the development time was spent experimenting with creating new gameplay systems. When everyone saw the first story trailer for the game, they probably had just begun doing anything for the story. Two months seems about right given how shit, bare bones and full of holes the story is.

>>14741592

I'm still fucking mad that the Ganon battle didn't use the climbing mechanic.

>Here's the largest Ganon of any Zelda game by far!

<No, you can't climb it. Just wait for the glowing weakpoint and hit it for massive damage. Faggot.

>>14741604

BoTW's story sucks because it already happened. And unlike Dark Souls, which does the same thing, you don't get to piece it together yourself through small clues and gameplay details. You just got to places and they spoonfeed it to you with cutscenes.

>>14741608

>Hopefully StarTropics can get revived to take the place of traditional Zelda or some other new or lesser known series can be made or revamped.

I wish Star Tropics will get revived, but it will remain in list of IPs Nintendo forgot. When I said that one of my favorite Nintendo characters was Mike Jones, everyone said "Who is Mike Jones?" I died a little inside.

>Favorite Game

A Link to the Past for 2D, Ocarina of Time for 3D.

>Favorite Boss

Not sure. Dark Link from OOT would have been perfect if he was more difficult to beat. The same could be said for a lot of Zelda bosses, honestly.

>Best OST

Majora's Mask

>Best Story

Link's Awakening

>Best Side Character

Kayfee and Anju stick out the most to me, but that might just be because of how big their sidequest was.

>Best Sidekick

Ghost Zelda

>Favorite Mechanic

Jumping

>Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

The Ocarina of Time ones.

With all the mods they've made for Breath of the Wild, has there been one that gets rid of weapon degradation?

>>14741611

>The question when grading if MM is better than OoT is "are the things that MM does better worth the things that MM does worse".

I think the better question is "what are Zelda games generally all about"? Character progression. What is Majora's Mask fundamentally flawed at? Character progression. Here's the problem in a nutshell.

Majora's Mask is an easier game in general. Nearly all the enemies in it do less damage to you than Ocarina of Time's enemies, nearly everything is allergic to arrows (which you get early on), and heart containers and other such upgrades are much more accessible thanks to the game being so much shorter. Then there are of course all the mask abilities you can take advantage of as well.

As someone who cleared both again on challenge runs recently, here's an enlightening comparison between the two:

Ganon and Ganondorf both take away three of your hearts for any attack, except the ground pound that makes the floor crumble which takes two. Majora, on the other hand, in all its forms takes away either half a heart or one heart but never more than that. This means you have to play absolutely flawlessly at the end of Ocarina of Time in a three-heart run, but you can make tons of mistakes in Majora's fights and instead of being limited to a fairy to revive you, you can even bring milk along for almost double the extra help.

For a game that's less than half as long as Ocarina of Time it is simply baffling how they couldn't at least make it more challenging.

This has always struck me as a fundamental design flaw with Majora's Mask. As a game wherein a bare playthrough has less than half as much content as Ocarina of Time they actually made the game easier, when it should have been harder to compensate for this. No, the optional side quest content does not make up for this, because as the game is easier than Ocarina of Time, there is even less incentive to actually do the side content character building that is characteristic of Zelda.

>>14741613

One of the things I hate about BoTW is Link himself. He's the most effeminate incarnation of the character made. Link looks so girly, even when he's in hero's clothes. I also hated Link's BoTW voice, his voice sounded so feminine. Link in OOT had the voice of a strong determined young man, but in BoTW he sounds like a faggot passing himself off as female. Listen to Link's horse riding grunts on OOT and compare it to the horse riding grunts in BoTW.

>>14741604

I meant the quest stories instead of the backstory, specifically. I feel like the flashback shit was a crutch because they weren't sure how to put interesting qusts into the open world.

>>14741608

I was happy to spend more time with WW's world and characters.

>>14741613

No climbing ganon was especially stupid because they made a point of slapping every fucking thing onto that monstrosity of enemy design.

>And unlike Dark Souls, which does the same thing, you don't get to piece it together yourself through small clues and gameplay details. You just got to places and they spoonfeed it to you with cutscenes.

They don't even do a good job of communicating their point because the dialogue and pacing is so weird. The idea is supposed to be that Zelda was close to figuring out how to harness the guardians, but Rhoam was too bent on doing things "correctly" that she felt like she needed to waste her time doing wisdom shit. What makes it so muddled and confused is that apparently Rhoam was both right and wrong because apparently Zelda really was able to do the magic shit she kept trying, but only at exactly the right moment. It's really weird and makes it unclear what was supposed to be going on.

>>14741632

I think he kind of had to be effeminate for the Gerudo plotline to make sense. It would have been way funnier if he had broad shoulders and big muscles though.

>>14741632

You're full of shit. He's always been a bishonen.

>>14741646

OoT link is a fucking baritone, nigga. He may have been an elf boy but he was an elf boy.

What I don't understand is why all the attempts to ape Zelda have always been so half-assed. How hard can it be to copy Zelda?

>>14741668

Zelda has certain theming and aesthetic that are hard to replicate if your sole purpose is to replicate Zelda. Gameplay has never been the issue, but rather it's getting a consistent group of elements that work well together to craft a cohesive world and style. That's why when you see other games replicate Zelda well, it's often on small scale since it's easy to get burnt out, lose passion, and create a hodgepodge of seemingly random ideas.

>>14741651

>I remember playing WW and saw Hyrule behind the barrier at the castle and was mad I couldn't explore it.

The game was unfinished. They had already started working on a dungeon out there but had a deadline so it was scrapped.

>>14741663

>Imagine what BotW could've been like if it followed a Wind Waker style formula only replace the great ocean with the stretches of plains to ride across on horseback.

I think they went open-world to a fault (except the fucking plateau), but they easily could have combined the BOTW formula with a more in-depth quest and dungeon for each divine beast that gave you something important to do and that made you feel connected to the area, like you'd been through something with the people there.

>Actual dungeons would've been a good start, as well as themed areas.

They had themed areas, but they just had them. They didn't do anything with them. BOTW is an alright foundation, but they didn't build shit on top of it.

>>14741667

Here's BoTW's voice for comparison.

I tried to watch Citizen Kain as a movie. It puts me to sleep. I just can't get into it personally and yet I will be forced to study it when I get back into animation. It's like Hemmingway's shitty novel. You read it not because the story is interesting nor entertaining but because it is mandatory reading by your American literature class. Citizen Kain is only a good movie if you are a film critic (aka hipster-soycuck) or you watch through historical context in the time when it was first released when no other films did what it did. For personal enjoyment though, fuck this meme.

Ocarina and the original might be archaic to games now. However I don't think they are nor will be as boring as Citizen Kain out of historical context. So long as there's a non-retarded way of playing the games close to their original forms. Even if it means third party emulators.

>>14741614

Yo dawg! So a kid with a yo-yo and a baseball bat walks up to Peter Pan and is like "I'm Mike Jones bitch".

>>14741629

>What is Majora's Mask fundamentally flawed at? Character progression.

I don't agree with that assessment at all. Majora's mask is focused on a very interconnected suite of abilities and items. Accessing new areas is based on acquiring the proper items. You can also increase your success by tackling side-quests that give access to masks or items that can decrease the difficulty of a challenge or allow you to skip sequences on subsequent time loops. If anything one of the major selling points of MM is the Masks themselves and Termina being a self-contained but tightly bound region.

>>14741703

The oot voice actor looks like how I feel

>>14741703

TP has a good voice too, it was similar to OOT's with a bit more oomph. Fitting that BoTW's effeminate voice is played by a guy that looks like an effeminate faggot.

Spirit Tracks is underrated as fuck. Best usage of music in Zelda.

>>14741712

One of the best Princess Zeldas is in that game.

>>14741711

>TP has a good voice too, it was similar to OOT's with a bit more oomph.

TP in a nutshell

>>14741703

>>14741667

Links Oot VA also does a ton of anime, he's always very hot blooded. There's a reason people associate his voice with Link.

>>14741723

Even a trap can have abs.

>>14741723

Looks like a muscle girl with no tits.

So… Think Link should have some spoken dialogue in next game? Not saying he should have dialogue branches and be a Guybrush Shepard or anything like that.

If so how badly do you think they'll mess up his English casting?

>Favorite Game

Twilight Princess

>Favorite Boss

Don't really have one. I do like the one in the snow area of TP, but mostly because snow.

>Best OST

OoT

>Best Story

Twilight Princess

>Best Side Character

Midna

>Best Sidekick

Midna?

>Favorite Mechanic

Grappling

>Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

Twilight Princess versions.

>>14741742

They won't make it fully voiced. Too expensive. In the sense of characters speaking within the text-based dialogue, he already does speak in the different options. In cutscenes? I dunno maybe. It's too easy to fuck up badly. Everybody knows the CDI games and cartoon. But I would have said the same about a Mario film and Nintendo is doing one of those now so who knows.

>>14741742

They came up with a bullshit reason to why he is mute in BoTW and will likely stay mute in future titles. In BoTW when you read Zelda's diary, it says that the reason as to why Link is silent is because "he feels it's necessary to stay strong and to silently bear any burden". I just hope NoE dubs the next game instead of NoA.

>>14741449

They do tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

>>14741742

>So… Think Link should have some spoken dialogue in next game?

no. fuck off. mc should never have a voice.

>>14741754

Of course not. Only voiced scenes would be major cutscenes that advance the plot. In those it would make sense if Link had a few spoken lines for once since Nintendo doesn't like to let you take control of him. Otherwise textbox replies will work just fine.

>>14741755

I suppose if gameplay requires Link to speak words to command companions (hiring merc contracts can be a substitute for item rental system from aLBW) or cast magic he can technically be voiced. Or grunt. But I do agree next Zelda needs to have an European studio dub.

BotW's dub is pure shit.

3D:

OOT=MM > WW > TP > SS > BOTW

2D:

LttP > LA > Oracles > LBW > MC > Four Swords A > LoZ > AoL >>>> ST > PH

>>14741713

Also the best supporting villain. And i actually liked playing the pipes, really made the final battle feel bigger.

>>14741857

>a male

<birthing hips

What did he meme by this?

>>14741861

Goosh goosh.

>>14741891

One on the left is FtM just looking to reproduce with IVF. One on the right is not as insane as it sounds. You can't put a functioning uterus/ovaries in a person. The frozen sperm are for fertilizing someone else's eggs. If it were possible to freeze sperm, turn into a woman with functional ovaries, and fertilize your own eggs, that would be a terrible idea because of all the recessive congenital diseases any given person carries.

>>14741629

There is challenge in MM regarding time management. You brought up the 3-heart run but in MM you can have a self-imposed time limit (beat the game in x amount of cycles). If you don't play the inverted song of time you will have to haul ass if you want to do the pre-dungeon sidequest and beat the dungeon in one 3-day cycle. The way I'd envision a run like this going is giving yourself only 4 cycles for freeing the giants and another 2 for sidequests (if you're going to try and get all masks). Of course, the more you know about the game the more you can narrow down cycles. And no playing the song of time unless you beat the dungeon or use up one of your sidequest cycles. If you can't do it you gotta let time run out so it resets that whole cycle.

Combine that with a 3-heart run and that should give you a decent challenge.

>>14741939

>Combine that with a 3-heart run and that should give you a decent challenge.

I did a 3-day (6) run and that last time I played it. Limitations on Ocarina of Time are much harder than limitations + speed in Majora's Mask because the game does so much less damage in general. The hardest part of a 3-day run is beating the snow temple fast enough that you can get Epona, but once that's done it's smooth sailing after that. And that still doesn't deal with the fundamental contradiction in design that MM has.

>>14741484

> BotW easily has the worst music of the series.

It had the least music for sure. I liked the minimalist music while exploring, I prefer that, and the way the music actually kicked in when in Hyrule Castle was pretty fucking great, especially the way it switched between castle and main themes when inside or outside.

If the next Zelda game can be like BOTW with better weapon management (crafting/sharpening/repairing weapons) and an actual underworld full of monsters and traps, at least the size of the overworld, to complement the comfy world above, I would be happy.

>>14741014

>what the fuck happened

Nintendo catered to LoZ's audience.

>>14742063

I know right. A comfy overworld with limited enemies where your job is to gather resources like stuff for potions and complete quests for money so you can buy new weapons and upgrades, and then you have to find entrances in to the underworld through hidden caves and ruins, and when underground there's no (or very limited) resources to be used down there, but it's filled with harder and unique enemies and full of traps and environmental puzzles, with its caves and corridors criss-crossing the entire size of the overworld above.

>We'll never get to play as the more feminine beta BotW Link design all because faggots wouldn't shut the fuck up about it

>>14742028

>BOTW was the best zelda game in decades

Gave me a good kek. Well done, anon.

>>14742063

>post-game

Kill yourself.

>>14742146

It would be pretty funny if they went fully androgynous with Link to the point that it isn't even clear in canon that he's male.

>>14742169

>not wanting the game world to change once you've beaten the bbeg who uses dark magic to warp the land

>>14741881

They're the worst 2D games.

Only other arguable choice is putting them above LoZ and AoL

>>14742175

Putting them 5 >s under AoL is ridiculous.

>>14742173

I like my final challenge to be the final challenge. When they game no longer has a goal to test one's skill, it's not a game. Why would you want more content after the game is over instead of before?

>>14741881

>mfw ST and PH at the bottom of the 2D games

Yeah because they're fucking shit.

>>14742179

phantom hourglass was mediocre, anon.

>>14742182

>Why would you want more content after the game is over instead of before?

Reward for beating the game, denouement after climax, consequences for my actions, reason to go back and play the game/save, and logically consistent way to complete side content I didn't get to before doing the main story.

In BotW it's weird how in-universe if I beat Ganon and come back later to do shit, then Link multiple times got all the way to Ganon but then decide to leave and do other shit. The best example of how to do this was Red Dead Redemption, where all side content was completeable after the main story and the protagonist's death and that there were minor changes in the world based on the story being complete. BotW wouldn't need to remove all the enemies or the blood moon, but maybe make most of the guardians non-hostile and have people reclaiming the castle. Have Zelda as a side character you can talk to and do some minor quests for. Etc.

>>14742256

Not at all, I'm deriding the idea that incredibly dumb idea introduced to the world by Minecraft and modern reviewers that content = game. A game is a test of skill for the purpose of entertainment. When the test is over, the game is over. What you have left is just a set of mechanics to screw around with. Extra content is not replayability; replayability is literally whether the game has enough depth to be interesting against on a replay.

>>14741109

maybe skyrim, but compared Fallout Nu-vegas, Fallout actually has dungeons in it

>>14742279

Yeah, like 3. It has Majora's Mask Syndrome even worse than Majora's Mask.

>>14742272

>video games should fit my arbitrary and specific definition

BotW is meant to be a sandbox. So is minecraft (which is shitty for entirely different reasons than its genre). So is SimCity. A lot of the fun is finding ways to challenge yourself (creating your own test of skill) and having more content contributes toward that. Hell, finding ways to challenge yourself is in itself a test of skill.

>>14742280

>the 4 DLCs

>the vaults related to quests

>the prison

>primm

>repconn

>that irradiated shithole with the airport

>the caves with animal nests

I can just be a faggot and bring up Fallout 3, which is like 75% walking through shitty metro and maintenence tunnels

>>14742276

go find some dumb blonde volunteering at a soup kitchen and offfer him a bottle of milk in exchange for a blowjob

>>14742284

> Hell, finding ways to challenge yourself is in itself a test of skill.

That's called making a game out of a set of mechanics. That doesn't make the set of mechanics itself a game. It's the difference between a rubber ball and some hoops and the game of basketball.

>>14742295

Thought you were talking about the original Fallout.

>>14742272

>Minecraft

>Content = game

Anon, minecraft is about building your own shit, it's people with taste that only play modded that need content

And the content being the game might as well be true for shitty themepark MMOs and grindan games that survive purely on drip-fed updates

But this is getting away from the point that post-game content is good

>>14742395

Does he ever use his bow or boomerang?

>>14742462

He loans Zelda a weapon. I do not recall him using the boomerang but she uses that bone bow and they use bombs. That might have all been in this one ep.

zelda was never good

>>14742028

BOTW isn't even an actual Zelda game anymore than Link's Crossbow Training is.

>>14742092

To the Western audience, specifically

>>14742735

It's about as good a game as Links Crossbow Training that's for sure.

>>14741723

Yeah he has a significant loss in muscle in bulk in BOTW. I mean why did you think the whole dressing up as a female and getting in the Gerudo town worked so fucking well?

>>14741014

Anon Link has always looked like a fucking girl. Give me a proper fucking Zelda game where you can play as a manly as fuck Goron. (And no fucking masks don't count faggot)

>>14742063

Guys… What if all dungeons eventually connect to each other in a massive underworld labrynth where it's faster to use underground for shortcuts for overworld without warp points?

>>14743192

Disregard. I can't read.

>>14742152

>Twilight Princess was released in 2006

Anon's not entirely wrong. BoTW is the best Zelda game of the 2010-2020 decade, but that's not a particularly high bar because you're competing with SS, Triforce heroes, and not-Link-to-The-Past.

>>14742276

>Go to nerd convention

>Flirt with all the twink looking Link cosplays until you find one that will suck your dick

There, solved your problem. Now stop being such a flaming homosexual on this imageboard.

>>14741861

>character with female hips

>male

>>14743269

>BoTW is the best Zelda game of the 2010-2020 decade, but that's not a particularly high bar because you're competing with SS, Triforce heroes, and not-Link-to-The-Past.

It still loses to not-Link-to-The-Past though

>>14743358

>It still loses to "Oy Vey, just gimme rupees for the bow! Who needs to actually play the game and earn the item?"

No

>>14743384

There was a lot of really stupid design decisions in Link Between Worlds, and it's nowhere near as good as the original. That said, it's still a proper 2D Zelda and not this 3D bullshit, and certainly not open world shovelware.

>14743330

>Favorite Game

BOTW

>my favorite Zelda game is not a Zelda game

>BOTW climbing

Literally the worst mechanic in the game. Jesus fuck.

>>14743457

Come on dude, how can you not holding the same buttons for minutes straight, stopping when the green circle runs out and starting again?

And, boy does it get fun if 0.0013cm^3 of rain lands on the rock

>>14743502

Why does it have to be fucking Zelda? Fuck Zelda. The Zelda franchise is trash. Make a dream slavic mythology inspired video game that doesn't ride on the coattails of some soyboy franchise.

>>14743457

The legend of Zelda: Breth of the Wild is a Zelda game yes. To each their own but being able to climb almost any surface is one of the greatest freedoms in games period, first two hours of the game for me was mainly spent scaling around the side of the plateu.

>>14743530

I like the fact that most Zelda games aren't like your typical fantasy (((rpg))) games where you gotta "level up" your character's stats or manage "skill trees" or equipment. If all you wanna do is get from point A to point B as quickly as possible (based on Actual skill and not how "overleveled" you and your equipment are), the momentum of most Zeldas is never interrupted by gay grinding or unnecessary sidequests if you choose to skip straight to the next challenge. Every modern fantasy game wants Skyrim or Witcher nowadays with all that gay rpg bullshit. I just want more fantasy games like Zeldas or Team Ico games where I can travel in a fantasy setting without any of these tedious shit affecting the gameplay.

>>14743466

this is “mario is a game about holding right and pressing jump” level criticsm

>>14743666

>I like the fact that most Zelda games aren't like your typical fantasy (((rpg))) games where you gotta "level up" your character's stats or manage "skill trees" or equipment

Well too fucking bad ya gotta do that in BoTW

>>14743656

>The legend of Zelda: Breth of the Wild is a Zelda game yes

Not really no. It doesn't have pretty much any of the features the original games have like dungeons and a linear quest line. The open world mechanics don't mesh and the game suffers for it.

>being able to climb almost any surface is one of the greatest freedoms in games period,

It's to much of a freedom. It breaks any reason to actually traverse certain paths in the game in favor of skipping them with such an ability. The gliding only cements this further. Without any restrictions in mobility in the game traversal is a joke which makes discoveries more of a joke than they already are.

> first two hours of the game for me was mainly spent scaling around the side of the plateu.

And aftert that you realized there was nothing else left to do in the game.

>>14743676

The objective in 2D mario games are clear. And you're not actually holding right or jumping in the same pattern in every level. With climbing you are literally doing just that. Not only this the game doesn't even feature Walltula's or anything that the original game made more than a fucking decade ago did to make the game more engaging. Just because you're allowed to climb any surface in the game doesn't mean it's a meaningful or rewarding one. In fact it breaks what made the original LoZ so good, which was trying your hardest to stay alive so you could explore a new temple and solve puzzles you knew nothing about. Now all you do it spend 12 seconds figuring out an easy puzzle with abilities you rarely use outside of using them for the puzzles and then spend roughly 20 seconds solving the easy fucking "temples".

>>14743761

>which makes discoveries more of a joke than they already are.

Remember that golden turd you get from the Korok seeds? Even if the golden turd is based on a Japanese pun, it still is a shit way to reward players.

>>14743773

The fact that you have to grind for that shit to begin with was pretty retarded. At least the heart pieces in the original games rewarded you with health extensions so if you weren't good enough to beat the game you could use the Mask of Truth to find as many as you could. Shit most of the heart pieces were better puzzles than the puzzles in BoTW outside maybe the magic seeds which were just a chore.

>>14743790

I miss heart pieces. I rather there be stamina pieces too.

>>14743723

Pay more attention next time. I did preface it by saying Most Zeldas. Hence, why botw is nowhere fucking near my Top 10 favorite Zelda games.

>>14743802

Replace stamina with Magic and we have somewhere to start. Actually there was a romhack of Super Mario 64 that took place in OoT and the stars actually increase your magic bar which was actually pretty engaging since the Magic was incredibly useful for just about everything, including movement abilities you unlock later on. Funnily enough it's one of the better SM64 romhacks I've played and you could easily take this "find X items after solving a puzzle so they can gradually build your magic bar" mechanic and it would probably work really well in a Zelda game. Shame they did nothing like this.

>>14743823

>Replace stamina with Magic and we have somewhere to start.

Damn, I miss the magic meter.

>Actually there was a romhack of Super Mario 64 that took place in OoT and the stars actually increase your magic bar which was actually pretty engaging since the Magic was incredibly useful for just about everything, including movement abilities you unlock later on.

That sounds fun as fuck.

>>14743802

Isn't that what soul orbs are? I like it better mechanically since it forces you to make a choice. It just suck dick that you can only get them from the shrines. If you could get them from normal sidequest, it be functionally the same really.

>>14743823

>Replace stamina with Magic and we have somewhere to start

It always felt odd to just infinitely bomb the mobs because I didn't want to waste my weapons on them, that would fix that.

>>14741632

Nothing wrong with that tbh.

>>14743850

I hate the idea of weapon damage. If they are to keep weapon damage, at least they should include weapon repair and upgrading.

>>14743854

Gays don't get to have opinions.

>>14743848

>That sounds fun as fuck.

I've seen clips of it. I feel mixed about it, it as neat as it sounds but really seems like it's made for speed runners skill level.

>>14743848

>That sounds fun as fuck.

Just download P64/retroarch and the romhack. Both are easy to get, though make sure not to get P64 off its website since last I checked it came with bloatware. I had more fun playing it than I did BoTW that's for sure. Though they're obviously not comparable. Only issues I had were the stealth segments and the fucking Spirit temple. Ending wasn't to great either but it's worth a play through.

>>14743878

Having 100% it's not really. Romhacks are meant for people who ave already beat SM64 anyway.

Fuck it. I'll upload P64 and the romhack on vola. Gimme a little while since my upload speed is garbage.

>>14743905

Upload crashed. Fuck it. Here's the mega provided by Kaze himself.

https://mega.nz/#!aGx0DLIY!3DbW0vJHHxIorWbqiC81N4vCm0JE5DoyeGgRB3lB-0Q

BOTWfags are just desperately trying to justify their purchase.

>>14741723

Jesus fuck, look at that hourglass figure

>>14744217

At least you didn't say buyer's remorse like a retard. The correct term for it is post-purchase rationalization. Buyer's remorse is about regretting your purchase. Seriously it's annoying people keeping getting that term wrong for over a damn decade when you can just fucking google it.

>>14743502

Considering that a lot of themes in Zelda have been Asian since the get-go lightly painted in Euro-style fantasy at face value.

>>14744249

You're right, I didn't say that, neither did my wording imply I had the wrong terminology in mind. Irregardless, I could care less. :^)

>>14744267

Баба-Яга could be both, maybe. She'd start out helping you, maybe out of necessity, but then end up trying to stop you.

plot twist: she was working for Кощей Бессмертный the whole time oh noes!

Which should I play first; Ages or Seasons?

>>14744317

Seasons is action-heavy

Ages is puzzle-heavy

Either works first as you can access the final scenario from either game (whichever you play second)

However, the Oracle games started life as a remake of Zelda 1 before being expanded into a trilogy and subsequently dialed back. The one that most closely fits the bill is Seasons, so I'd start there

>>14744317

>not playing games in order of release

>>14744381

You're aware that the Oracle games were released simultaneously, right?

>>14744423

>>14744425

I thought there was an established order for them.

After pirating and almost beating BotW and stopping because I don't care about Trial of the Sword or beating Ganon, I've come to some important conclusions. The game is just fucking Wind Waker, which is mostly okay because I like Wind Waker a bit. The problem isn't exactly that there are only like four dungeons, the problem is that they all have the same fucking gimmick. If they each had something other than "turn the Divine Beast" as a main gimmick they'd be much better. That having been said, the Champion's Ballad DLC has a good final challenge dungeon based on that, and even though he's just a remix of other bosses, Maz Koshia is a pretty great boss with some sick music. On the other hand, Hyrule Castle actually tests you on the things you mostly do in the game, climb shit, sneak around enemies, all that good shit. If the dungeons had been more like Hyrule Castle but with some gimmick, possibly requiring an item, it would have been fucking great. I'd settle for a remake of the first game in the BotW engine as the Majora's Mask to BotW's OoT. I definitely had more fun with BotW than I did with TP, but TP's tutorial bored me to fucking death before I could even start. It was so bad I didn't even try SS, which sounds like a dodged a bullet there.

>>14742234

It's been a thing since the first Zelda. Remember the Second Quest? In fact, the only thing that was anywhere close to that was OoT's Master Quest, and that was some weird fucking abortion of a Disk System game turned into a pre-order bonus and extra feature in a port.

>tfw you have jerked off to mpreg botw link and not felt confused at all.

i think as long as its extremely effeminate and looks like a cute anime girl my dick doesnt really care about the rest.

>>14744588

Nobody gives a shit about your degeneracy. Fuck off.

>>14744530

>the game is just fucking Windwaker

Found it rather opposite in that case. Windwaker’s Ocean is just shit to traverse and uncomfortably restrictive from the very get go. It’s not fun to sail so to not even be allowed to go in any other direction once I’m at the ocean feels offensive.

>>14743761

>it doesn’t have pretty much any of the fratures the original games had

It has several features that have been built up from previous Zelda games including the general combat system, the general horse riding system, temperature countering gear, optional build up of hearts, descending with a parachute, skating, and stamina. Its not a linear game in any sense but not all Zelda’s are strictly linear, the original, ALttP, and ALBW are clearly not definable as linear games at all. It’s quite different from many of the classic games but so is Super Mario 64 from its predecessors, hell the second Zelda game is already very different from the first, we’ve gone well past the point where every game in any given series has to play similar. It is a Zelda game and it could be even less like Zelda and still be a Zelda game even if it had to be a spinoff.

>>14742182

>Why would you want more content after the game is over instead of before?

I'm surprised that nobody answered this from a development perspective. It's because both the player and developer can stop caring about both the game and story's pacing speeds after that point, which is a good thing.

I'm making a game where the story that I want to tell only lasts for so long, because you can only expect people to put up with a certain story pacing. Similarly, you can only expect people to put up with a certain speed of introducing new concepts, and a certain difficulty curve. If the battle system's possibilities exceed what I expect the average person to sit through, in either difficulty curve or time, then I'm not going to pad out the story to fit to exactly the time it would take the average person to master the battle system. People hate unnecessarily padded stories, and most people aren't going to be autistic enough, or like my game enough, to master it. But I'm also not going to just cut out the possibility for higher level play.

Instead, the remainder of gameplay time worth exploring is set after story is over. That's where you push the game's mechanics to their limits. There, you can put whatever the fuck you want without worrying about too much about major difficulty spikes, because if they're still playing by the time the credits have rolled, you know that they really like it, and probably want another, bigger challenge, and are willing to put in the time and effort to overcome much bigger difficulty spikes.

>>14742272

>test is over, the game is over.

When you clear the main game, the story is over. When you clear the post-game, the test is over. You can get away with a test that's longer than the story, but you can't get away with a story that's longer than the test. MGS4

>>14743274

oomf.

Link is my husbando

>>14745817

The game outright gives you plenty of weapons all the time though, only at the bery outset will you really be breaking weapons more times than the game will tell you you can’t carry anymore. Shields breaking in particular are the last thing to complain about, you’ll pretty much always be full on shields unless you’re basically attempting to tank/counter tank your way through Hyrule castle right after the plateu or something of that nature.

>>14745992

Its weird, I beat the original game and seem to remember most of the bosses but I couldn’t outright tell you what Ganon’s fight was like in that game. I remembered not being able to walk up to him directly due to diagonal gaps but wether he was shooting projectiles or teleporting I seriously can’t remember.

>>14746009

>The game outright gives you plenty of weapons all the time though, only at the bery outset will you really be breaking weapons more times than the game will tell you you can’t carry anymore.

The issue is that weapons in the game break really fast, not that there aren't many weapons lying around you. One time, I had a strong heavy weapon that I wanted to use on strong enemies, but all the other weapons got broken on defeating weak enemies and I had to force myself to use that strong weapon that I wanted to use later, including the limited inventory that made a pain in the ass. The only problem to solve this issue is just to expand your inventory to hell by finding the fucking Koroks Seeds.

>>14746221

*Game, the weapons breaks really fasts

>>14746151

>You will never see Zelda wear Gerudo clothes.

>Gerudo clothing is forever the tranny Link meme.

Fuck this timeline sometimes.

>>14746221

Generally if you’re fighting a bunch really weak enemies you can easilly just nab their stuff to keep hitting them with more weak weapons. Once I got off the plateu I found myself often throwing my weakest weapons as soon as I began fighting any group, since I was generally just going to exit the fight with more weak weapons from the enemies.

>>14746273

I'd say Ocarina of Time is actually more non-linear than A Link to the Past.

>>14746323

Which was more puzzle based? Seasons? I did that one first and beat it, then tried to play Ages. I couldn't find the flippers and kept getting lost in the water village. Where were they? This was a few years ago

>>14746323

I would fuck that thing.

>>14746322

I suppose you say that because of the sidequests, which is a very valid point but seeing as he’s coming out of the first one he’s probably leaning more towards the order in which you’re allowed to do major things.

>>14746407

No I'm talking about the dungeons, chiefly the Shadow and Spirit temples. I don't remember you being able to choose between two dungeons at any point in Link to the Past.

>Favorite Game

Twilight Princess or ALBW

>Favorite Boss

Koloktos even though SS isn't good

>Best OST

Majora's Mask

>Best Story

Majora's Mask by a long shot

>Best Side Character

Groose

>Best Sidekick

Midna

>Favorite Mechanic

Merging into walls, traveling through time (OOT), or the movement in BOTW

>Best incarnation of Zelda

Skyward Sword

>Link

Any of them but BOTW

>Ganon

OOT

>How will the Next Zelda be?

If it's going to be like BOTW it will probably be shit, I enjoyed some of BOTW but it's hardly replayable and it slowly stops being fun when you know what to do

>Any hopes

Actual traditional dungeons (if they have a world that's the same size I think between 10 and 15 is a good number) and no more WEWUZ tech

>>14744479

Supposedly it goes Seasons -> Ages according to the nonsense that is the hyrule historia but to me they are meant to be two parallel storylines the third game would have probably done better to link the stories together.

>>14746417

Depends on how you define it. The Eastern Temple has to be finished first to get the Pegasus Boots, but you only need to visit the Desert Temple to get the Power Glove to reach Tower of Hera, not actually finish it. Likewise, once you get into Dark World, you need the M.C. Hammer from the Dark Temple to progress and then the Hookshot from the second dungeon, but you don't need to finish either first, and after that the order is almost entirely free - the only thing you NEED from another dungeon to enter the others is the Titan's Mitt from Blind's Lair, and again you don't need to finish the dungeon for it.

>>14746403

Well if these weak enemies are decent enough to your full inventory then yeah you should probably not be afraid to use the stronger weapons. You're going to come across more later, you can be more of a horder if you wish by increasing weapon inventory but really you have to just be willing to use weapons. All but the mastersword are destined for rotation here.

>>14746417

You totally can actually, the Dark World is not as fenced off as it might seem, to paste a quick run down from elsewhere:

Dark Palace must be done first. The Magic Hammer is required to reach Swamp Palace. It's also required to reach the portal that allows you into Skull Woods and Thieves' Town.

Titan's Mitt, the item retrieved from Thieves' Town is required to access the Ice Palace, Misery Mire, and Turtle Rock.

Once Dark Palace is completed, you have the choice to go on to do Swamp Palace, Skull Woods or Thieves' Town. The Firerod from Skull Woods has no use in Thieves' Town as far as solving puzzles is concerned, and the Hookshot from Swamp Palace is needed to access part of Skull Woods, but it's only got a few pots and can easily be missed.

Ice Palace can be completed without the Firerod, as long as you have the Bombos Medallion. The Hookshot is useful for a shortcut (the north-eastern room on B4) but it's not essential. The U-shaped room on B3 can be accessed in an alternate way (unlocking the eastern door in the centre.)

Another note on the Ice Palace is that its treasure, the Blue Mail is useful, but not a necessity for any of the dungeons. This means it can be done last.

>>14746456

Most of these arguments apply to Ocarina of Time and many other Zeldas as well. I've never been a fan of the claim that running into a dungeon to grab an item and then not finishing it to go to another dungeon represents real non-linearity or choice.

>>14746526

Wasn't there one rusty metal switch in the water temple that required getting the hammer from the Fire Temple first?

>>14746538

Maybe in Master Quest, but on my most recent playthrough of Ocarina I did Water after Forest with no issues. All you need for both is the bow

>>14746526

Don't you need the hammer for a switch in the Water Temple? It's sad that I can't remember this because the last time I beat Ocarina of Time I did an extremely limited challenge run.

>>14746547

>>14746538

There is and the hammer is necessary in a glitchless playthrough. Outside of that, anything is possible, I wouldn't remember the current MST route however.

>>14746502

ALBW actually does do non-linearity in that sense. Of the dark world you have to complete a specific dungeon in order to access one of them (there's a glitch that lets you skip this though) but otherwise you can choose your order. At your peril since the ice one is full of dangerous enemies. I think that of the light world the first dungeon is fixed but the next two can be done in any order. Can't actually remember.

>>14746546

I haven't played through MQ but I swear I remember a switch that needed the hammer

Maybe I'm just a retard

>>14746616

Then explain what you're doing, because there absolutely is a rusted switch barring some sort of progress. Not just for a skulltula or something retarded either.

>>14746619

It's glitchless, you're misremembering

>>14746473

>Well if these weak enemies are decent enough to your full inventory then yeah you should probably not be afraid to use the stronger weapons.

I didn't specifically said "weak" enemies on my second post, anon. Even enemies that are not-so weak like Lizalfos and Moblins can still fuck up your weapons.

>You're going to come across more later, you can be more of a horder if you wish by increasing weapon inventory but really you have to just be willing to use weapons.

And that's what I did. I got all of my weapons inventory to the maximum that it didn't became that much of an issue anymore. I could use pole arms to Lizalfos since they tend to dodge a lot and heavy weapons againts Moblins.

>All but the mastersword are destined for rotation here.

Because the Master Sword had the longest durability than the other ones obviously. Even when it buff itself to 60, the durability is big.

>>14746628

There is definitely a rusted switch in that dungeon. If it's not mandatory then what the hell was it for?

>>14746619

>>14746635

Can't you activate a rusted switch by standing on it with iron boots? Or am I also misremembering shit?

>>14746635

You're probably thinking of one of the iron boot switches

>>14746643

No that's in Twilight Princess. You never use them for that in Ocarina of Time, they're for wind currents and to sink in water.

>>14746640

No only the hammer activates them.

>>14746640

>>14746643

>>14746635

>>14746658

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Foot_Switch

>There are also special Foot Switches that are rusted and must be depressed with the Megaton Hammer, or while wearing the Iron Boots

This is some Mandella-effect shit right here man

>>14746663

>wikia

Stop using that place. It's godawful site-wide changes caused an exodus of some notable wikis. You want zeldawiki.org and they're pretty vague on the subject.

https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Switch#Floor_Switch

>Floor Switches normally take the form of a large button or plate, which can be activated by being stepped on by Link, or sometimes by placing a heavy object on top. Some floor switches are less sensitive than others, so Link has to carry something with him to depress it or weigh himself down with Iron Boots. Rusty or malfunctioning switches may need to be forced with the Megaton Hammer or similar item. Deku Link is notably too light to depress some switches.

Fuck it I'm due to replay this game it's been a while.

>>14746381

>last boss is a spider slut

why Nintendo? this is a kids game

>>14741087

I'd settle for some NEW MAPS (adventure mode overworlds don't count)

>>14746794

neither does skyrim without mods, texture packs, and post processing effects

>>14746687

who even okayed the Wikia redesign? the last design was perfect, Wikia trying to get into journalism was the worst mistake I have ever seen…

>>14746037

He turns invisible and teleports around the room shooting at you. You have to guess where he is by stabbing around yourself. It's my favorite because it left an impression on me. If some all powerful pig man wizard can turn invisible, why wouldn't he? I hate how bosses are built up these days, but never actually live up to it. Fighting Ganon on NES I felt out matched, like I was really against all odds, and I loved it.

>>14746099

Best because it's a continuation, not some prequel crap that the last how many games where? Link being older, learning magic, Ganon's minions trying to bring him back. Loved it.

>>14746794

Those are fucking hideous, especially the first one in particular for keeping her mouth fucking open.

>Favorite Game

OoT

>Favorite Boss

OoT dorf

>Best OST

I'd need to re-listen but probably SS, TP, MM, OR OoT

>Best Story

maybe OoT or MM, but that's not really saying much

>Best Side Character

Groose

>Best Sidekick

Ghost Zelda

>Favorite Mechanic

Wolf mode, once you can transform freely, otherwise maybe hookshot

>Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

OoT, the classic

shout-outs to Minish Cap for being excellent and the DS games for being underrated

>>14746099

>t. babby

>>14745584

You actually have a better example for this with the Harvest Moon and the Rune Factory games.

Most of those have a story you can follow or an event that marks the end of the game past a certain amount of years. However, the content for the game far extends that limit with a lot more stuff to do. One of the Rune Factory games in particular sees most of the content start AFTER you get married and have kids since you'll be playing with your son instead.

Or just about most Mario games, where you only need about 1/3 of the Stars\Moons to beat the story but the rest remains to be collected and are tests of skill on their own, regardless of the story being done by then. This can also be taken for just about any "collect-a-ton" game.

Or an even better example would be Doom and Quake, not because of the games themselves but because of the extra wads, levels and offshoots that fans make. Even after you beat the main game, you still have plenty of content from fans to do.

The point is always that chalenge isn't "beating the story", that's something that happens in paralell to the test of skill but should not limit it. And you're right, for a developer it does make sense to include post-game content where you're more lax with the pacing and someone can take it at their own speed.

>>14746914

>Best because it's a continuation, not some prequel crap that the last how many games where? Link being older, learning magic, Ganon's minions trying to bring him back. Loved it.

<Doesn't know that the story is insubstiantial as fuck.

<Thinks that is good because it is not a prequel.

>>14748099

>insubstantial

>t. babby or never owned the manual

It has a fleshed out backstory for why there are different princess Zeldas. The only thing insubstantial about it is how much the sequels retcon. For an NES game it was either lots of plot in the ROM or lots of gameplay, so they chose lots of gameplay.

It also actually explained a way for Ganon to return from the dead without it just being a given or even having Ganon as the end boss.

On top of that Ganon returning is what happens if you have a game over, which raises the stakes for the quest from "wake different princess zelda from her long slumber" to "if fail Ganon returns." This also meant that since Ganon was officially dead in Zelda II it and LoZ were the only ones that didn't puss out by having him sealed away or known to reincarnate automatically.

Largest take on Hyrule society with multiple towns spread throughout, instead of "town of hyleans" or "town of X race." The triforce is also treated like a legendary object that you can't get by just doing three easy tutorial dungeons, unlike most of the other sequels, and on top of that you are only earning a single piece of it.

>>14748099

<Don't forget about turning the princess of the first game into a cuckqueen by resurrecting an older princess in the sequel.

I originally thought it was the same princess from the first game.

Speaking of that. I want a game that explores the posibility of having twin princess Zeldas and how the royal family conspires to keep them hidden from each other and fails.

>>14748365

>Gameplay was

Gameplay is

>>14745278

>including the general combat system

Besides the fact that the shield bash is a fucking joke? And besides the fact that healing items are so common and your inventory is so large that you can just heal infinitely with no worry of dying? Yea sure. I guess besides those 2 features it's the "same".

>the general horse riding system

Horse riding "system". The horse riding in zelda games has always been more or less useless. And the ability to collect horses adds nothing in the long run so its essentially just as useless with a grinding aspect added to it.

>temperature countering gear

Which were used to enter interesting temples that botw doesn't have.

>descending with a parachute

Not a zelda feature unless you assume SS is worth calling a Zelda game. And it's still a shit feature.

>skating

Again not a thing until TP which only had 1 short segment for that.

>stamina

One of the worst things the franchise added. Not doing much for your argument here.

>Its not a linear game in any sense but not all Zelda’s are strictly linear

No but they had a set of temples and interesting puzzles that spanned for several hours at a time. Of which this game doesn't have.

>the original, ALttP, and ALBW are clearly not definable as linear games at all

You can switch around the order but in the end the main quests dialog remains the same. "strictly" linear no. But there was a clear objective in them that was an ultimate point of the game..

>It’s quite different from many of the classic games but so is Super Mario 64 from its predecessors

And they were often worse off for it. Nobody but hardcore Nintendo shills are going to call Odyssey an objectively good game.

>hell the second Zelda game is already very different from the first

Yet it still remained to function as a good game. Unlike BoTW. And while it's a decent game I wouldn't call it a strictly Zelda game either. Especially since Nintendo ditched the way it worked in favor for the original with new additions.

>we’ve gone well past the point where every game in any given series has to play similar.

The problem is BoTW isn't a GOOD game either. And it's copying open world elements from other games unlike Zelda 2.

>It is a Zelda game and it could be even less like Zelda and still be a Zelda game even if it had to be a spinoff.

Not really no.

>>14748365

>wah the NES game doesn't have a ton of story

Ironically it has as much story in the game as most Zelda titles despite having less space to store a story in. You are also ignoring all the NPCs that can be spoken to, which there are more of than a lot of Zelda games.

>Gameplay was the biggests strenghts for the Zelda

>complains about lack of story

>contradicts self a paragraph later

Zelda II is mostly about gameplay, and it requires more skill than all the other Zelda's combined. Solving puzzles designed for children is not skillful gameplay. Engaging in low risk combat is not skillful gameplay.

>>14748574

I guess I'm not autistic enough to understand why it's "fun" to go in to a dungeon and get the dungeon item and then leave again to do a different dungeon without completing the dungeon the first time, since you've got to go back to the dungeon and complete it to get the medallion/crystal/macguffin to open the final boss anyway.

>>14748558

If you even consider horse riding to be a useless mechanic that might as well not exist then we will never reach any common ground. I don’t even like SS myself but I’m not going to call that not a Zelda game because I don’t like it.

>>14749126

"fun" is dependent on what you want out of a game. I consider it fun since I've played the game by taking the normal route so it's interesting to take a break from the Forest temple since it's one of the longest in the game while also having the most annoying theme.

>>14749143

>If you even consider horse riding to be a useless mechanic that might as well not exist then we will never reach any common ground

It's not about reaching common ground dipshit. Objectively you do not ever need to use Epona in OoT or MM or TP because of the teleportation abilities or the Goron mask. You're barking up the wrong tree with your argument. And in fact you would be wasting time by using her outside of the two or three necessary quests.

>I don’t even like SS myself but I’m not going to call that not a Zelda game because I don’t like it

SS is more of a Zelda game than Zelda 2. Being able to ride Epona is not what defines a Zelda game. Especially when Epona didn't even exist since OoT. Solving difficult puzzles in themed and lengthy dungeons while surviving the overworld are 2 of the key aspects. BoTW has neither lengthy dungeons with difficult puzzle(s) nor an overworld with any enemies that could be considered difficult while also lacking in variety. The fact that it's an open world game instead of an action adventure game also cements why it's not a Zelda game.

Despite all of this it's still a BAD game. Which is what you should really be focusing on here. Instead of arguing semantics.

>>14749722

PH isn't that bad if you don't mind the Ocean King Temple. It also had Linebeck who is objectively the best character in the franchise

>>14746663

You can throw Deku Nuts to reveal poes that have hidden

>>14741510

>The greatest game of all time is Super Mario World.

It's not even the best mario game, that title goes to SMB3. Even then, Mario shouldn't even be in a top 10 "best games" list. They're fun platformers, nothing more.

>>14749657

>SS is more of a Zelda game than Zelda 2

You aren’t even aware of your own posts?

>>14748558

>Not a zelda feature unless you assume SS is worth calling a Zelda game

>>14749754

Ocean King Temple is why I liked Phantom Hourglass. It could've been done better, yes, but I appreciate the concept and wish there were similar mechanics if they could pull it off well. It's been a while since I've played it too, so nothing particularly irks me about it that I can remember. That one puzzle were you had to close your DS to print the top screen on the bottom took me forever to figure out, but holy shit was that an inventive puzzle. I wish there were more hardware involved puzzles like that. A Linebeck-esque character in a full-scale console Zelda like Wind Waker would be appreciated too.

>>14750214

>You aren’t even aware of your own posts?

I am. I'm saying SS follows the Zelda formula closer than Zelda 2. Which is why it's more of a Zelda game.

>Not a zelda feature unless you assume SS is worth calling a Zelda game

Frankly I don't consider SS a Zelda game with the amount of story/dialog and pointless mechanics they filled it with. But in the end it is still more of a Zelda game than Zelda 2 and it's more of an opinion. You could replace characters in Zelda 2 and and rename it and you probably wouldn't consider it a Zelda game. Meanwhile you can look at a game like SS, give it the same treatment and see something that sorta looks like a Zelda game. If you did the same treatment with BoTW I wouldn't even consider it in the same ballpark.

>>14750517

Because for every moment of fun there's 12 moments of boring tedious garbage. And in between those there's boring unskippable dialog and story. Replay the game and tell me you're having fun. Go ahead. You'll end up realizing how small those segments are.

>>14741510

Quake was a direct upgrade to DOOM in every way, fuck off.

>>14750544

Twilight Princess also had moments like that with the whole Tears of Light bullshit. I'd rather do Imprisoned fights every so often than do a scavenger hunt in every area.

>>14750556

Wasn't there an option to turn off Fi's dialogue? I don't remember her interrupting or talking as much as some people say. She only got extremely annoying when it came to the dowsing bullshit. And backtracking only really bothered me in the Mountain area.

>Favorite Game

Link's Awakening was probably my favorite game.

>Favorite Boss

Hard to decide since Zelda isn't that great when it comes to bosses, but I'd say Twinrova

>Best OST

Windwaker had some of the catchiest tunes. The song that plays when the King is sending Link and Zelda off is also great

>Best Story

Link's Awakening

>Best Side Character

Malon.

>Best Sidekick

Minda.

>Favorite Mechanic

Mirror shield is pretty fun.

>Best incarnation of the Zelda, Link and Ganon

Everyone will say Windwaker for Ganon. I think TP had the best Link and Zelda.

I've tried hard to find somewhere for BoTW to fit in here, but it's already a pretty forgettable game on its own. Boring OST, forgettable characters, terrible story.

>>14750486

Your definition of a Zelda game is far to strict then, Zelda 2 is the very second game, it was not even a series when it was just the first game. Its ludicrous to even have an opinion that SS it is not a Zelda game and yet more like Zelda than Zelda 2 when its the origin of referring to different games as Zelda games. From the very get go the series shows that it is not defined by the mechanics of the first game. Sure enough this is the same Kind of logic you use to say BOTW is not a Zelda game.

What you mean is that it is not very similar to the original Zelda, similar to how your avergae Mario game is very different from Donkey Kong.

>>14750632

>Twilight Princess also had moments like that with the whole Tears of Light bullshit

The Tears of Light were only during the first 3 temples and the dialog cut back immensely in comparison. But you can't really bitch about scavenger hunts when SS was the king of that shit. Remember when you end up having to swim through the entire first world again looking for musical notes? Not unlike the scavenger hunt before where you had to find all the shrub npc's in the SAME level. Or recollecting all your gear, or the goddess cube scavenger hunt where you had to find both the cubes and the chest they moved to? What about the pixel hunting bug catching minigame? Fuck I'm sure there's more I'm missing as well. And there was more that made SS tedious than just returning to the Imprisoned fights. Like the fact that there were no good side quests or places to explore. Or the temples being piss easy. Or the entire first section that dragged much longer than TP's tutorial. And despite all this TP isn't exactly a crowning achievement of a Zelda game. It's probably right behind BoTW and SS in the worst 3D Zelda titles.

>Wasn't there an option to turn off Fi's dialogue?

No. Having played the game 3 times I think I would have found a way after the first.

>I don't remember her interrupting or talking as much as some people say.

Play the game again. It's there.

>She only got extremely annoying when it came to the dowsing bullshit.

And the dowsing was more tedious than the bug collecting alone.

>And backtracking only really bothered me in the Mountain area

It's not like you do it any less anywhere else.

>>14750676

>Your definition of a Zelda game is far to strict then

Not really no. There's no fine line here. BoTW just is the furthest thing from a Zelda game since Links Crossbow Training.

>it was not even a series when it was just the first game.

So? It's obvious what Nintendo used from it to make the later games.

>Its ludicrous to even have an opinion that SS it is not a Zelda game and yet more like Zelda than Zelda 2

Not really no since SS is such a shit game. It's just more of a zelda game since it comes closer to the mechanics from the original 3D titles than Zelda 2.

>From the very get go the series shows that it is not defined by the mechanics of the first game

If it wanted to make that definition it should have continued the trend Zelda 2 set. Instead it didn't. What it "shows" is a standard it set though.

>Sure enough this is the same Kind of logic you use to say BOTW is not a Zelda game.

If you don't like it then stick to trying to call it a good game. Which it isn't.

>similar to how your average Mario game is very different from Donkey Kong.

No It's not a Zelda game because Mario isn't a Donkey Kong game. BoTW is another game with Zelda segments poorly stitched on.

>>14750517

I actually liked the motion combat but the major problem was a hige amount of padding. Dousing was a really boring way to steer Link in a particular path. The instrument seemed like it was there just so the game could have an instrument and was basically the worst implementation of motion as it was just swinging left and right in occardance with a dilating cricle for one time songs. The imprisoned was the most unfun Zelda boss and making you fight it three times is offensive. The tier heart/phantom combo game was really shit, it wasn’t even rooted in a main mechanic of the game like with its predeccesors and you would so it in areas you had already combed through for dousing. And then there was the atrocious stealth and swimming games, housed in a segment if the game where you don’t even get dunegons during your visits to the three areas.

To a lesser extent: It was really disappointing finidng out the surface really was fully segregated with the sky as the hub world, Fi was incredibly annoying, and the new mole, dragon, and fish races had really bad designs imo.

>>14750632

If you took issue with tear hearts than SS just made things far worse. At the very least only the first tear heart segment is backtracking, the other two are your initial exploration if these areas, and you weren’t made to do a savenger hunt prior in the forest anyway.

>>14750556

>Skyward Sword

<There's no freedom

>Breath of the Wild

<Too much freedom

>OOT, TP, WW, ALTTP

<Just right.

>>14750758

<just right

Give or take an autistic preference or twenty.

>>14750733

This is full blown retroactive retelling of history level bullshit. The fact that Zelda 2 did not become the norm changes nothing it still happened and it was the first sequel. Opinions on quality does not make something not a part of a series, especially when the precedent for different style of games is there immediatly. Mario series began with the original Doneky Kong arcade game.

>>14750790

>The fact that Zelda 2 did not become the norm changes nothing it still happened and it was the first sequel

You're missing the point here. Zelda games have a formula based by the fact that most of the games have a standard formula. Whether there's deviations here and there doesn't matter since MOST games have aspects that allow you to recognize it as a Zelda game. You're basing your entire points on historical perspectives when I'm basing them on mechanical ones.

>especially when the precedent for different style of games is there immediatly

The precedent isn't the norm.

>Mario series began with the original Doneky Kong arcade game.

And nobody would consider Donkey Kong a Mario game retard. Get on my level.

>And nobody would consider Donkey Kong a Mario game retard. Get on my level.

No thank you that’s retarded. Donkey Kong clealy lead to Mario Bros which clearly lead to Super Mario Bros. You can consider DKC not a mario game but if you don’t think Donkey Kong is a Mario game then you’re beyond understanding the concept of a series.

Not sure if it's approriate to ask in this thread, but does anyone know where I can find a BotW download for cemu?

>>14751059

A store.

>>14750848

>Donkey Kong clealy lead to Mario Bros which clearly lead to Super Mario Bros

All different games. And again, Nobody associates Donkey Kong to Mario 64 or World.

>You can consider DKC not a mario game but if you don’t think Donkey Kong is a Mario game then you’re beyond understanding the concept of a series.

It's not a Mario game because it has nothing to define it as a Mario game outside of the blue and red sprite. Seriously faggot what's hard to understand?

>>14751131

>buying garbage

Don't do this.

>>14741014

This is the best videogame ever. This video conveys all the positives I can think of (an there are a lot).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1XqcVMYF0M

>>14751363

It's totally legit, bro.

>>14750517

You don't have to spoiler half that. Also the sand levels were some of the best thanks to the time crystal mechanic, and generally excellent dungeons in those parts.

>>14751858

That's still a problem with the emulator? There's a game-specific hack for it from memory.

>>14751948

>That's still a problem with the emulator?

I've never experienced it with other Dolphin emulated games as far as I'm concerned. Which is why I'm confused. What and why is the problem specifically with Twilight Princess? Wind Waker ran near perfect, as did Metroid prime. The only thing I can think of is that the emulator might have trouble processing all the black fucking squares for the Twilight Realm. But it seems to be a problem, even for the normal overworld.

>>14751189

>It's not a Mario game because it has nothing to define it as a Mario game outside of the blue and red sprite.

Except for the fact that Jumpman is clearly Mario and the game has more natural sequels in the form of Donkey Kong 94 and Mario Vs Donkey Kong which make it even more obvious? I’m done, go lecture someone about why Pacman World games aren’t Pacman and any number of videogames with lots of sequels only have a few “actual games” you autist.

>>14751981

Hyrule Field slowdown is a well known problem with the game in the emulator, and yes there is an option to address it.

https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Twilight_Princess_%28GC%29#Hyrule_Field_Slow_Down

>>14752060

I'll just go one further and say that the Mario universe would be infinitely more boring without things like Paper Mario.

>>14752472

>At your peril since Dark Link is a bitch without the hammer.