c256a8 No.14740126
Okay, let's talk about games that have meta-fictional elements, or heavily base their stories around being aware that they are fictional and playing with the typical tropes of a story. Let's not mention the obvious meme answers that everybody has played already and that everybody is so divided on that even a mention of them causes a shitstorm. I'm going to mention OFF still since it's a very good example, and even though it's popular, there are many people who still haven't played it here. I'm also going to mention Experience 112, which doesn't exactly go into heavy meta, but has meta-fictional elements by putting you in the role of someone who sits in front of a computer screen using cameras to help a female researcher get around an abbandoned facility.
522d38 No.14740152
>>14740145
not this one that's for sure :^)
c256a8 No.14740167
Visual Novel but still worth a mention, Umineko is a meta-fictional murder mystery where the main character tries to kill a witch by proving that every murder that she commited can be proven by humans, then they start having shounen-battles with arguments as literal weapons. Shame it falls the fuck apart the moment that the answer to the mystery is revealed
>>14740152
Holy shit anon, don't remind me.
c256a8 No.14740177
Also, does anyone remember Anon's Bizzare Vidya Adventure? That game was pretty meta Shame it all fucking fell apart after the switch to MV
c256a8 No.14740292
>>14740152
I can never believe every time I look at this how easy would it be to fix this into a decent looking game. You would just have to turn down the hipster aesthetic, fuck, even changing the character designs into something that doesn't look like an awful self-insert would work.
701072 No.14740388
My problem with most "meta" games is that when it comes down to it, the only winning move is to not play them at all. I think this is mostly because the games try to make you feel bad for playing them, despite the fact that it's the entire point of the medium. It is art that is best appreciated by not consuming it at all. Also I try to spoil myself as much as possible going in to games anyway because I give no shits about plot, it's the most worthless part of art.
Having said that, Bravely Default and especially Bravely Second make the best use of meta elements that I've seen in a while. What other game has the main character steal letters off the title screen to help beat the final boss, or has the Game of the Year edition of the prequel save one of the main characters.
If I were to make a meta game, it would probably be normal to start, but as further New Game +'s happen it would go from "you're a bad person for playing this", to "why are you still here", to existential dread, before the last NG+ is a two hour long FMV of me verbally shitting on everyone.
67ce3d No.14740417
f74cde No.14741795
Yomawari Midnight Shadows. The tutorial is the main antagonist of the game.
25da04 No.14741798
25da04 No.14741801
>>14740177
redpill me on rpgmaker; what's wrong with mv? I know next to nothing about it
f12f2f No.14741802
55e521 No.14741958
>>14740144
VNs are for losers
550657 No.14741984
I remember in Kotor 2 one of the main characters described how "one second I was standing around and the next we were killing someone".
You could also make a case for two of the main villains, one was a soulless korean xp farmer and the other was a cheats user.
f3722c No.14742032
>>14740126
>tropes
Get the fuck out.
470054 No.14742627
>>14742032
Nigger that's the correct fucking name for them, it isn't used only by Buzzfeedtropes.
470054 No.14742637
>>14741801
God, what is not fucking wrong with that shitty program. But the reason why the project died was because no one wanted to fucking use it. It was ugly, had an unpleasant UI, every single thing fucked up after the switch and we kept trying to fix it, there was a gigantic break between one track playing and another appearing for some fucking reason and everything just looked and played worse than on VX Ace.
a47c7a No.14742645
>>14740177
I swear one day I'll keep continuing that game's development, even just by myself
470054 No.14742736
>>14742645
I might think about reviving the project, with the most recent VX version if you have it.
7935cd No.14742756
Being meta is what killed Superhot. Good game concept, shit and intrusive narrative that was totally up its own ass.
470054 No.14742767
>>14742756
I wouldn't say it killed it, it just made it less enjoyable. The gameplay is still really fun but the story is shit, the game really starts once you finish the story mode, then you can play around with challenges and endless which are far more fun than the actual story mode.
6450f9 No.14742806
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14740144
>Doki Doki
Nice b8 m8
Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi, nuff said.
d83c55 No.14743201
>>14741795
In the literal sense, or in the Mario & Luigi sense?
f74cde No.14743250
>>14743201
It's kinda hard to explain without huge-ass spoilers, but in the simplest terms, the game starts with a tutorial that seems completely standard (barring the fact it ends with a little girl hanging herself) and at the very end of the game it is revealed it was actually a character in its own right.
That character being a malevolent entity haunting the mountain and preying on emotional distress, influencing its victims to commit suicide, hence the tutorial on how to move and shit resulting in death
The way it is revealed is that the starting tutorial repeats for the second character, except you can choose to disobey, whereupon the tutorial text goes all red and demonic.
The final boss has you going against orders given in the tutorial font
98844d No.14743409
>>14741801
RPGmaker has basically been left unchanged for like a decade, and despite constant urges to fix the massive issues with room management.
Honestly you're better off with Gamemaker (Original the new release is fucked) and an RPG prefab engine. You'll have a much more stable end project, in addition you can have way more flexibility with what you can do.
Additionally, RPGmaker teased a timer for battles like FF but it never released.
And this was back in the PS2 era.
482b2b No.14743508
>>14743433
>>14743450
This shit is getting out of hand, are any of the alternatives ready for a proper user base? I know blazechan isn't ready yet and Meguca seems to be dead.
482b2b No.14744012
>>14743759
Nigger if I left 4chan in 2014 I can leave here as soon as something better appears
f74cde No.14744234
>>14743433
Your post was "OFF is shit, play DDLC". Maybe not worthy of deletion but don't try to make it seem deleting obvious bait is even remotely on par with censoring gamergate threads before the exodus.
d5c880 No.14744327
>>14744234
It's a problem we're faced with as a community, cuckchan rapefugees want to bring this place down to their level with low effort shitposting but we can't delete it without them screaming censorship. Yet if we allow it, they will turn this place into cuckchan.
It's a lot like what is facing western civilization.
67ce3d No.14744354
>>14744327
What you do is delete it, and then also delete their tantrums afterwards.
04b3f6 No.14744382
>>14742736
** https://gitgud.io/dankus10/anons-bizarre-vidya-adventure
I think this is the most recent VX version since right when we started using git the MV vs VX thing started and it died**
04b3f6 No.14744386
>>14744382
>fucked up spoilers
fug pls don't bully me
ab89d6 No.14744435
>>14744420
I wish to be sexually bullyed by them
027e0d No.14752591
>>14744435
You want your dick cut off?
539d0e No.14752644
>>14744435
Me too anon. Me too.
654d56 No.14752666
>>14741795
Last one looks like ugandan knuckles.
c1f636 No.14752757
>>14742756
I felt like it was basically a fuck you to people who thought story is important, especially since that in the end you don't really know much more than in the beginning.
f38613 No.14752829
>>14752757
I try to not jump around as much when I play this game, it just looks silly on the replay.
25da04 No.14752852
a47c7a No.14753027
>>14752757
It was "a fuck you to people who thought story is important" that it took them five fucking writers to come up with.
f38613 No.14753260
>>14753027
>Five writers
How do you even do that?
ea6072 No.14753292
>>14743201
>always thought nintendy held your hand to an absolutely absurd degree as a kid (the fucking owl)
>see a video of skyward sword since i saw the thumbnail had what looked like a kraken boss
>escape sequence from a flooding ship as tentacles pierce the hull
>the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME the blue bitch is popping out and telling you obvious shit and completely ruining ANY tension this sequence might have had
>at least navi locked on enemies for you and had the decency to prompt only like once every 10/15 minutes, not counting when you bumped into locked doors
>the boss itself is some giant muppet looking thing with a great big googly eye
What the fuck
c1f636 No.14753407
>>14753260
it's not that hard to guess, anon
306797 No.14753463
>>14740152
Is that the actual music from the game