/v/ - Video Games

>>14720442

FPS has always been a normalfag genre its just that normalfags got even worse which frankly is unbelievable.

>Literally hundreds of FPS are released each year

citation needed

>none of them are good or actually require you to aim

citation needed

>>14720442

>Is there any hope for the genre at all? FPS used to actually be my favorite genre years and years ago.

NuDoom was actually kinda fun so I'd say some.

AAA FPS count is probably the lowest it has ever been these 2 years

>>14720460

>Citation needed

Since 2018 103 FPS have been released on steam alone. Keep in mind 2018 only started a few months ago and this is only counting games released on steam and not console games.

>Citation needed

Can you name on good FPS released this year?

>>14720496

Siege

Titanfall 2

>>14720496

you are citing crapware really?

>>14720507

>They don't count because they are shit

Shit is shit no matter how much it cost to produce.

>>14720504

>This year

>Calling an EA/Ubisoft game good

>>14720513

Like you said, 2018 only started a few months ago. Also

>muh bad publishers

either criticize the actual game or opinion discarded.

I don't know why I even bother anymore, it's the same response every time.

Wanting new good FPS games isn't very logically consistent, depending on what you want out of the game. If it's a good story, well there are RPG's that do that much better anyways and usually the combat in the stories for FPS games isn't very engaging. If it's realism you're better off just playing mods for simulation games like arma. If it's a competitive mechanic based game then you don't need new games at all.

The reality is that there isn't ever much of a reason to release new FPS games if you're predominantly playing them for the online/competitive aspects. I've been playing Xonotic for 7 years and have yet to find a reason to play a different FPS. Unless the game has evolved the competitive aspect of shooters in a way that is not artificial and is enjoyable I don't see the reason to ever make a new FPS, besides milking money off of normalniggers.

You just want something out of a habit trained into you by corporations to constantly be experience something different, regardless of if it is better. All new FPS games do is follow a neat little formula where they build off of games that are purposefully designed to be sluggish and floaty, then add clunky artificial extra movement to them that feels amazing to people that have only ever experience console shooters and never touched basic PC arena shooters that have already had access to that kind of movement for decades.

People unironically think running on walls and jetpacks are revolutionary mechanics.

>>14720536

>muh bad publishers

Bad publishers make shit games. The fact that you sited a COD clone and a ruined series do not help your argument.

>>14720542

Publishers don't make games, they PUBLISH them, dingus.

>sited

cited*

What was the last good FPS in your opinion, one that required you to aim?

>>14720542

>still nothing about the gameplay itself

Again, I don't know why I bother. All you're gonna do is cry that they don't make arena shooters anymore, except for the fact people do they just aren't popular.

>>14720564

>publish them

And they are the ones who make the most important decisions.

>last good FPS

Not sure but likely Unreal Tournament 4 for the brief period the devs were actually developing it, Tribes Ascend during Beta, The last Fallout NV DLC, Xonotic.

>>14720569

>Being a COD clone has nothing to do with gameplay

Ok. It's shit because it's casualized mess with regenerating health, low TTK, mechs don't take much skill, ect.

>>14720589

Oh and Natural Selection 2 before the devs killed all optimization for it.

>>14720569

>All you're gonna do is cry that they don't make arena shooters anymore

Who do you mean by they? (inb4 (((they))) ) I only know of a couple indie arena FPS that have been released or updated recently. No mainstream titles come to mind.

>>14720554

we're in year 3 right now you realize? They're adding a new universal gadget which doesn't sound like complete horseshit at least

>>14720589

>And they are the ones who make the most important decisions.

see, THAT I can agree with

Look I'm sure there were a couple of good AA shooters released last year, but I haven't been keeping up with new vidya at all lately.

>>14720589

>casualized mess

buzzwords. Be specific. What is it even casualized in comparison to? CoD? The first tianfall?

>regenerating health, low TTK

These two offset each other. It doesn't matter if you regen health if your health pool is already miniscule.

>mechs don't take much skill

In what way? they're just slow, but you can still play skillfully, and a superior pilot or titan can destroy you. Also I only played the free weekend, so my knowledge on the game is not encyclopedic.

>>14720619

they as in devs in general.

>>14720627

insurgency

>>14720475

Having played the TTS, I feel like they're heading back in the right direction. They admitted that Lion and Finka were designed specifically for Outbreak, but they nerfed Lion straight to the ground.

The creators of Painkiller are making a new FPS and SS4 just got announced. So there is hope.

>>14720642

Looks ok, never getting done with that 4 man team though.

>>14720650

Have you played Insurgency? Its usually a cluster fuck. I'm hoping the new one rectifies the problems but it looks like its in dev hell since they canned the SP with the mudslime womyn

>>14720650

>These two offset each other

And they both are horrible.

Low TTK = lower skill because shooting becomes peekaboo instead of dodging/aiming. Regenerating health means you don't have to run around the map and can camp.

>>14720667

Yes but not a lot. It sounds pretty much like what you described from what I played.

>>14720668

>lower skill because shooting becomes peekaboo instead of dodging/aiming.

Except no one plays like that in TF2, people are running around everywhere

>Regenerating health means you don't have to run around the map and can camp.

see above.

>>14720668

>Low TTK = lower skill because shooting becomes peekaboo instead of dodging/aiming.

you're only half right, low TTK can support caution and map understanding when implemented correctly. Not every shooter needs to be an arena shooter

>>14720676

>No one plays like that in TF2

TF2 doesn't have regenerating health and in it dodging and aiming are important even though it's a casual game.

>>14720680

>Only arena shooters don't have low TTK

>>14720685

I am referring to titanfall 2 not team fortress 2.

>>14720687

Fortnite is casual for other reasons

>>14720690

Titanfall literally has weapons that aim for you. The low TTK keep the game to having peakaboo combat which again doesn't promote actual dodging and aiming.

>>14720695

excellent argument. And I think team fortress is the better game anyway.

>>14720701

It has one weapon, that sucks and no one uses. And again, no one plays the game in a peekaboo fashion, people run around like crazy.

>>14720714

>Run around like crazy

That doesn't mean it's not peakaboo. People do that with COD too. It's peakaboo in that whoever sees the other one first almost always wins without any real skill involved with aiming or dodging. It's literally just about getting the jump on the other person which is half luck based.

>>14720730

People can and do dodge though.

>>14720738

Except you can't because the TTK is too low. If someone is shooting you from behind you can't turn around and shoot back.

Anyone have the comic that explains this stuff to newfags?

>>14720754

You totally fucking can. You can whip right around and blow his ass away. low TTK does not mean instagib.

>>14720758

You are baiting right?

>>14720764

>analog stick

yes he is

>>14720762

>You can

No you can't since I can kill you in less than a second you literally do not have enough time to kill me before I kill you. That is why low TTK sucks.

>>14720782

It takes around .4 seconds for someone to kill you in Titanfall. A normal human literally cannot turn around and kill the other person in that amount of time. This is only compounded by the fact that nearly all weapons are hitscan so even if you could turn around and do something you already lost.

>>14720793

>It takes around .4 seconds for someone to kill you in Titanfall

citation needed. And the person to see you first has the advantage in literally every shooter.

>>14720798

> And the person to see you first has the advantage in literally every shooter.

Yeah but it isn't a death sentence when you have higher TTK meaning you have more time to actually retaliate.

>Citation needed

This video. Even then this is me not counting the many instakill weapons. The non instakill weapons literally take less than half a second to kill a player with.

>>14720671

>12 year old*

>>14720836

>Brainlet

>Twitter filename

>>>/cuckchan/

>>14720836

sometimes i wonder if overpowered new characters in any genre is actually that malicious or the people testing these things are inept

>literally thousands of FPS games in existence

>they are all about clicking on guys and like 8 are about movement

this is why the genre will always be shit

>>14720461

yeah, the one click melee cut scene attacks really make it a first person SHOOTER to be reckoned with

>>14720810

If the TTK was too low, he should've died in almost half the engagements. The enemies mostly had enough time to recognize him and being shooting, and most got shots off and damaged him.

FPS has never not been pure normalfag cancer.

>>14721043

t. 14 year old

>>14721158

you better have your shotguns be effective past 10 feet faggot.

>>14721274

>Says this while posting a reddit image

>>14721170

Shotguns will be effective up to 35m with buckshot, 70m with slugs. And won't do the Gaylo/CoD bs where it just stops doing damage past a certain range. Fun Fact: For Gaylo this only started at 3. In 2 you could still hit people with pellets at a fair range but do minimal damage. My brother killed me a few times that way back in the day

>>14721356

Pump shotgun and Five-Seven was my first choice for loadout for every CS until GO where shotguns just felt awkward to use because the animations were shitty.

>>14721399

I'm not implying, I am stating as a fact. A COD clone doesn't suddenly become good because you put "mechs"in it when the core gameplay is still bad.

>>14720768

You literally have plenty of time especially if you're skilled at the wall jumps, you sound pretty retarded tbh, Titanfall is what cod tried to copy because it was so much better (in every aspect) and on that note, Cockofdoody's ttk shit is cancer.

t. guy with hours on hours of titanfall 1&2 gameplay

>>14721439

But he >implying'd you, so you're wrong here.

>>14721399

Fuck off RavenRavenRaven.

>>14721409

Oops. Oh well. Stalker is odd in the fact that the double barrel can carry you through the whole game as long as you got another primary for long range encounters. But I like it.

>>14721442

I haven't played titan meme but any CoD shooter with low TTK has little skill involved. It doesn't matter if you can technically possibly maybe do something if the guy that gets the jump on you misses a few shots and you do an ebin twitch reaction to him and kill him. Sure it's possible, but it's not consistent, and you're relying on your opponents incompetence rather than your skill.

No one in a competitive shooter should ever have the thought "if only these uncontrollable variables were in my favor", and twitch low TTK shooters are plagued with these moments. These games are designed for spastic retards by rewarding them for squeezing their controllers really hard.

>>14721439

The fact that the EPG is an excellent weapon, and is a slow-firing physical projectile with a travel time disproves that ttk is all it has. I used the L-star mostly, which is a plasmagun with travel time as well. They both had a serious niche you could use if you could move properly.

>>14721379

>35m

>70m

Those are still too short, but pretty good.

It was called Shootmania Storm, faggots, and all of you let it die. Also the devs are French so it was doomed from the get-go I guess, at least you actually had to aim in that game.

>>14721158

Recoil in vidya is retarded because in reality you have some feedback that helps you adjust your aim, which can't be simulated. If I shoot in a place in videogames, I want the bullet to react as if I shot in that place. Hitscan isn't needed but I'm tired of feeling like I'm not hitting anything.

Insurgency Sandstorm will save fps not these lame ww2 autism simulators.

Unfortunately, here on 8gag they will just cry about the female protagonist in the campaign (that actually got canceled for release) and female models in multiplayer (which is accurate because there are actual female soldiers fighting ISIS). Also without doubt the will hypocritically cry about the battleeye anti-cheat despite dozens of major games using it these days.

I'm sorry that you were not aware of the savior of the fps genre due to these bad posters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJgSHnw7N-E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGjcLPYN1pU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbafhInbMCc

>>14721745

>shill tries to push iron sight call of duty game

>is even more blunt than vavra shills

>>14721487

>any CoD shooter with low TTK has little skill involved

I pity thee who never had the chance to play CoD:BO on hardcore capture the flag. It was by far the most fun and team-work orientated I have ever had the joy to play.

>>14721762

Uhhhuummm, no sweetie

Sandstorm will be goty 2018

How about those speed running fps like Lovely planet or Seum or deadcore?

Unrelated to those but will Spire be any good

>>14721773

>sweetie

Stop it.

>>14721786

How is lovely planet?

>>14721788

Lovely. At first it's mostly about leading your shots but then the platforming gets gradually harder and harder, and getting par yes gets more difficult. I figure it makes great practice for any tribes game or the upcoming midair. The music is also pretty good.

>>14721745

>jewtube

>unironic shilling

Fuck off retard, no ones playing your "dude stick 0.0000001 TTK into CQC broo surely it won't flop" bullshit.

>>14721745

>8gag

hi cuckchan

>>14721745

>Mentioning garbage like Insurgency at all

>Using parenthesis rather than spoiler

>Defending batttleEye just because other trash games use it too

>lame ww2 autism simulators

>multiple direct trashtube links, not even spoilered.

In the past 8 months I've never seen a more obvious redditor. Immediately kill yourself.

I only like FPS games (and mostly single-player at that) but most of them nowadays are stuck pursuing photo-realism and the games themselves aren't really that interesting to play.

Also they skimp on the single-player mode, and just depend on multiplayer to make it interesting.

Devil Daggers is a near-perfect FPS, and I don't say this lightly.

However, it was not what most FPS fans wanted at all. Their standards of what makes a good FPS includes loads of weapons and enemies and big levels which feel non-linear, so the aims of this arena mode-only game which is designed from the ground up to function as an arena mode-only game was incomprehensible to people. People want more breadth than depth out of first-person shooters, else people wouldn't be playing yet another custom mappack for their favourite FPS, or else shooters with scoring systems would be in greater demand.

>>14720738

>People can and do dodge though.

Are you really reacting to the bullets flying, or just moving erratically in the hopes of throwing off the other guy's aim or having a vital part outside of the spread pattern?

>>14722090

It's a mix of both, depending on what weapon your opponent is using (which is a rather universal truth, you'd be hard-pressed to name a multiplayer shooter without (pseudo-)hitscan weapons).

>>14721788

There's no stopping the goty.

You can only suck it up and buy it after reveling in the salt because the /v/ hivemind made you think it was a bad game.

>be OP

>really like FPS

>also suck at FPS

<hurr durr FPS are bad

>>14720442

Call of duty requires more accuracy than original DOOM.

Even Overwatch does.

>>14722049

>Devil Daggers is a near-perfect FPS, and I don't say this lightly.

because it has such little content and you can experience everything in 4 minutes. Just because the two things it does do it does without flaw doesn't make it perfect. It makes it a game which plays it safe.

>>14721158

I think Squad does a fairly good job of emulating recoil.

>>14722618

He's lamenting the lack of FPS which DON'T have auto-aim, because he wants to aim, because he's (presumably) good at FPS. Learn to read, reTORd.

Angels Fall First

>>14722960

>It makes it a game which plays it safe

The very first reaction people had to this game was wishing for more weapons and a singleplayer campaign, to then barrel ahead with your vision regardless of what everyone else wanted to see in a new FPS sounds like the very opposite of playing it safe. While it's easy to accuse anything with a limited scope of playing it safe and not having this and that unlike every other example within the genre, the fact remains that Devil Daggers would not work within a traditional singleplayer campaign structure, at least not without overhauling the core gameplay to such an extent that the end result no longer resembles the original.

In that way it is a victim of misplaced expectations and its own inflexible fundamentals to be unable to please everyone but a minor crowd the size of its own scope (a surprising amount given the Steam reviews). It's near-perfect in what it does, though it doesn't do a lot, and a game being perfect is rather meaningless in terms of whether you will end up enjoying it, though it can be at least appreciated.

>>14720451

how so? its just minorities and women are taking over. completely logical

>>14721442

>You sound retarded

>Coming from the person defending a COD clone made by COD devs

>Cockofdoody's ttk shit is cancer.

Yeah, just like Titanfalls.

>>14721492

Still low TTK faggot since those guns are instakill making it even worse.

>>14721617

>Cod isn't cod if it has grappling hooks

kek. Why don't you fuck off back to reddit?

>>14722154

Too bad literally nothing he said countered the fact that it's a low TTK game with peekaboo combat.

>>14723392

If there was a decent archive here you could see the hypocrisy for yourself with your own eyes. Stay salty when I have fun calling in A-10s fammy.

>>14721745

>which is accurate because there are actual female soldiers fighting ISIS

There are no women fighting ISIS you stupid cuck, those are all propaganda photos lel

>>14723363

>>14723406

I provided several reasons with explanations based on my experience (~100 hours). Define "peekaboo combat" and explicitly state how my explanations were wrong.

What's wrong with you? It's an anonymous fucking image board; a week from now, no-one will care if you're wrong or right.

>>14723414

>Doubting that a western nation would willingly send their women to get raped by muslims

It's 2018 anon.

>>14723442

Quake and Unreal don't have mechs.

>>14723447

I think he's referring to the pictures of (((middle eastern))) freedom fighters led by stronk womyn.

>>14723450

shogo and mechwarrior do, play those instead you dickless faggot.

>>14723442

Yeah but those games actually require skillful movement which is too hard for COD kiddies. Titanfall just gives you movement abilities like being glued to a wall or a shitty grabble ability.

>>14723450

>Unreal doesn't have mechs

False underage. Also Titanfall doesn't have mechs, even the designers said their "mechs" aren't really mechs.

>>14723442

>but titanfall doesn't have 1/4th the movement options quake or unreal ever had

But this isn't even true. The game is designed around being mobile since wallrunning is faster than normal sprinting, and on top of that you have your usual bunnyhop-ish tricks with plentiful air control which you can use to fly across the maps at accelerated speeds. Gravity Stars can be used to launch yourself, Stim can be used to give you a starting speed boost which you can maintain through skiing, and the Grappling Hook is its own beast which it doesn't cover, especially on CTF, which makes the game look like fucking Xonotic.

Also

>unreal

>movement tricks

lol

>>14723079

Prove it's a bad game, mister FOTM poster.

>>14723537

It's literally cod in all but name

>>14723544

It's literally not.

>>14723514

>he doesn't know the god tier movement of unreal where you double tap to dodge on an input device with the longest travel time compared to any input device in existence

>he doesn't know about the totally not awkward 8 ball jumps

>he doesnt know about the shitty feeling wall jumps

Tch….casual.

>>14723514

Exactly what I wanted to say, I don't understand anons who are claiming this game takes no skill and peekabo shit. It's a good indication they haven't played it. Especially when you git gud with the EPG, its the most fun thing that makes the game feel closer to a classic shooter.

>>14723455

>shogo

It's neat, but does anyone play it? The most recent videos I can find are years old.

>mechwarrior

I don't believe there are any games in that series which mix infantry and mech combat. If there are, do they have multiplayer scenes? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but it's difficult to player multiplayer games without any other players.

>>14723459

>unreal mechs

I hate to act like an underage faggot, but which game has them? All I can find are vehicles introduced in UT2004.

>the designers said their "mechs" aren't really mechs

The quote you're misrepresenting was from a marketing guy who thought "mech" = BattleTech, and what he meant was the robots were faster than the vehicle simulation games many people associate with the genre.

>peekaboo shooter

>>14723559

The other nice thing about xonotic is the server list, plenty of people have servers that have mechs in them and since xonotic has better gameplay overall you're getting a better experience than you would with titanfall.

>>14723429

Anyone got the Quake infographic?

>Another FPS thread has devolved into "Muh Quake" faggotry

Death, Taxes and "Muh Quake" faggotry in an FPS thread. These are the only 3 constants in this life.

>>14723614

>titanfall also relies on walls to turn since you have to wall jump, or grapple if you want a tighter turn than you would boost jumping, since wall jumping sends you upwards, it's practically useless in tight spaces, and grappling while better, still doesn't offer the pinpoint turning that xonotic does

A properly air strafed turn in TF|2 is very close to the corner - almost 90 degrees. Grappling around a turn is either a conscious decision to have more control instead of being locked into a jump arc, to maintain height, or to avoid losing speed, since if your orientation changes too much from one slide jump to the next you will lose all your momentum.

>mechs basically act as an powerup which limits any freedom of movement but boosts your health and armor.

That's a gross oversimplification. Your weapons change completely when using a titan, as does your hurtbox and vantage point. There isn't a clear comparison to Xonotic unless that game allows you to change into a character who'd be more at home in a high-TTK class-based shooter.

>In comparison once you escape a firefight in titanfall you can basically just hide somewhere for a couple seconds then go back on the offensive, so it really is just a more complex game of peak-a-boo

You are correct, but that's mitigated by the prevalence of AI forces (which increase in strength as a match progresses) and the arms race of earning titans and boosts. One COULD sit on one's ass and do nothing, or one could lick one's wounds while shooting some bots, and earn a boost/titan in the meantime.

I still haven't seen a definition for "peekaboo," which must be different from my initial idea because traditional arena shooting involves more peeking in and out of cover than your average flyby in TF|2.

>>14723622

I'm a bit iffy about playing a game for conversion mods. Is this a DayZ situation or a Starbow situation?

>>14723614

Nigger, learn to fucking line break, your wall of text is barely legible.

>it's practically useless in tight spaces

Because you won't be within tight spaces at all unless you're being a camping little bitch or harassing Titans. Like you said, the map design is open to accommodate both Titans and Pilots, and Xonotic is designed to work in tight spaces rather than wide open ones. Else the railguns would be overpowered by virtue of almost nothing breaking line of sight.

>since you don't have to make decisions with a stack in mind

Stacks and item controls only have any real application in 1v1 situations, and maybe coordinated team battles where you can communicate who gets to pick up what, but those are a rarity. Titanfall is designed from the ground up to be played in teams, to its maps and systems. Imagine a 1v1 Titanfall match. The maps would have tons of wasted space because they were made with more players in mind, and one guy piloting a Titan versus one guy on foot would feel rather silly and overly asymmetrical. That's one of the reasons empty space in maps is filled up by AI grunts. You'd need a 2v2 at the very least for the game to feel coherent. Item control doesn't really have a use in team battles (outside power-ups). A Titan vs. a single pilot is often a no-brainer, but it's the presence of other enemy Titans and multiple Pilots that make things tense.

>In comparison once you escape a firefight in titanfall you can basically just hide somewhere for a couple seconds

In practice you just keep moving around because health regenerates fast enough anyways. And like I said, item pickups don't really work in a team game with larger maps (so it could in Team Fortress 2 with its tight maps and strongly defined lanes, but not in something bigger like Battlefield), and players move too fast for a Medic class of sorts to be viable. I don't really like regenerating health either, but to facilitate item control would mean to emphasize Pilot gameplay more over Titans and to move away from team battles to 1v1s, and to just make the health regenerate slower would encourage more hiding and camping. It just wouldn't work with a traditional health system. And even than camping is non-viable because of how large the maps are and the center of the fighting keeps changing. You could keep camping in one place, but meanwhile all the fighting has shifted everywhere, so you'd just be twiddling your thumbs around until someone finally comes near you.

You could just take out Titans entirely and focus on Pilots instead, but at that point Titanfall stops being TITANfall so it's kind of moot to argue past that.

>Mechs are slow as shit so they don't offer half the satisfaction that playing as a foot soldier does

They're not much in terms of movement, but Titan combat is more about positioning, teamwork, and map awareness than pulling off slick jumps. Because you're piloting a giant tank on two legs, essentially.

You're kind of comparing apples and oranges here. Backporting everything from Xonotic into Titanfall won't work the way you think it would.

>>14721745

Game has spyware and the devs are SJWs.

>>14723782

>items don't work in team battles

That's not true at all, in a team fight in quake or xonotic it's more like your team has a stack that needs to be maintained rather than an individual. So even without coordination the players are naturally going to try to collect whichever resources they can and the team with more items will naturally have an advantage. About the only thing that needs to be coordinated at that point is spreading out enough to have decent map control, and then the game adopts a different kind of dynamic since spreading out raises the chance of you running into a 2v1 situation, but staying with your team lessens your chance of keeping other key items from the opposing team.

>you wont be within tight spaces

this is baffling to me for a number of reasons, but the biggest one is that a game that lets you play as a mech or a footsoldier DOESN'T accommodate small spaces, if anything the only reason to play as a foot soldier instead of a mech at all is to gain an advantage by fitting in cramped spaces. This is such a simple piece of logic that games have been implementing it since metal warrior on the snes, maybe even sooner. In that game you play as a foot soldier at certain times in order to access small areas.

>>14723761

My point wasn't that the mechs are as limited in utility as metal mario in sm64 it's that they lack the interesting movement options the foot soldiers have. Having new weapons in a mech is a pretty superficial edition, a mech isn't even required to reach that goal. Obviously, having mechs more really quickly would create balance issues but it wouldn't hurt to give them more interesting functionality then "you can catch bullets now". It seems like it's pretty easy to dispatch mechs as well since foot soldiers have so many ways to quickly get around them so there might already be a balance issue.

>>14723758

I don't get why OP even tried to beat around the bush and didn't just start with muh AFPS

>>14723836

>About the only thing that needs to be coordinated at that point is spreading out enough to have decent map control, and then the game adopts a different kind of dynamic since spreading out raises the chance of you running into a 2v1 situation, but staying with your team lessens your chance of keeping other key items from the opposing team

This wouldn't really work in Titanfall because regular item pickups wouldn't apply to Titans meaning they would be less contested over once more Titans start getting involved, (health pick-ups for Titans not being an ideal solution either because Titans have plenty of base HP to begin with, or power-ups being only applicable to Titans rather than Pilots. There are Titan batteries, but they can only be stolen from other Titans with a risky Rodeo Attack), the maps are way too open and large for any meaningful control over pick-ups to be exercised with 5 pilots on each team (unless you increase the amount of placed items to such an extent that there's no point in controlling as many items as possible since you have plenty on your own side of the map), and maintaining a stack of some sorts would only have a use against other Pilots, not against a Titan firing shells the size of your chest. It'd introduce an element to combat which becomes useless once everyone starts getting into their Titans and items no longer become as contested over, is only useful in Pilot vs. Pilot scenarios, leaves Pilots at a severe disadvantage if they manage to escape from Titans at low health, makes dealing with AI opponents more annoying than necessary because they can deal lasting damage, would imbalance the one-shot power weapons such as the EPG which becomes completely useless in favor of hitscan weapons if it's unable to kill an opponent with a single direct hit because the opponent had a stack (here it's not like in Quake where the Lighting Gun's maximum range is limited and average player movement is high enough to make tracking difficult), and basically the pace of the game would get slowed down as Pilots would less likely risk dealing with Titans and hide instead, all for the sake of a layer of item control which can't add much possibility for strategy in this context. Like it or not, without regenerating health Titanfall would be a bitch to play.

>This is such a simple piece of logic that games have been implementing it since metal warrior on the snes

In that case playing on foot and playing in a mech are entirely separated from eachother. Which is passable in a singleplayer situation, but it's rather silly to imagine this in multiplayer where there would be essentially two different games going on with neither Titans and Pilots interacting with eachother. Like I said before, you'll be indoors to harass Titans with anti-Titan weapons from windows where they can't immediately nab you as opposed to being in the wide open, at least not until they catch on to you and start smoking you out, at which point you'll be constantly moving from place to place.

>it's that they lack the interesting movement options the foot soldiers have

What interesting movement options could the mechs even have? There are some Titans with Titan-unique mobility abilities such as limited flight and teleporting, but too much mobility would make the heavier Titans such as Scorch and Legion overly redundant. Movement like in Armored Core with flight and ACV-style walljumping would require even BIGGER maps which Pilots couldn't reasonably spread out over. If the Titans had the same degree of (relative) mobility as Pilots do, then Titans would be an upgrade in every possible way. You don't expect a great amount of mobility from a tank either or in tank combat, as Titans are essentially tanks. I don't know why you're expecting Titans to be so highly mobile to begin with. The crux behind Titan combat isn't the movement itself, but it's the positioning and strategic use of abilities and the attributes of your Titan, such as using your shield to push forwards and block projectiles, to deny areas with fire or smoke, to catch your opponent by surprise, or to frustrate them by playing peekaboo. It's an entirely different mode of playing, but one which complements the high mobility of Pilots well.

>It seems like it's pretty easy

Actually go play the game

Titans can lay down electric smoke to obscure vision, harm Pilots latched onto your hull, and prevent you from being locked-on by Archers. A Titan can often see and immediately swat a Pilot firing at him if that Pilot doesn't immediately get the fuck away. On top of that a Titan melee attack is fairly lenient with its range and can crush any Pilot about to latch onto you with a grappling hook.

>>14724080

>>14723758

>Anything that isn't COD is quake

I want you underage gone. OP even listen many non AFPS. Also not all AFPS = Quake you fucking retards. Fuck off back to reddit, halfchan, neogaf or wherever you came from.

>>14723450

>Unreal Tournament doesn't have mechs

Play Unreal Tournament before spouting bullshit. Or at the very least the mechs are just as much mechs as Titanfal's are.

>>14724815

Nice job trying to put words in my mouth.

>>14723552

>I don't understand anons who are claiming this game takes no skill and peekabo shit.

Because we aren't underage and actually played games like Quake, UT and Tribes.

>Git gud

>At a casual baby game

>Thread is now anchored

Fucking why?

>>14724833

>played games like Quake, UT and Tribes.

which one of those did you play?

>>14724829

Ironic since that is literally what you did faggot. Get some tastes and come back when you are over 18.

>>14724862

All 3. Tribes 2, Ut2004 and Quake 3 is what I have the most hours in for each series.

>>14724917

I did not, but the discussion did head straight off into muh AFPS faggotry hence why I called it out.

>>14723514

>UT let you run along the wall, had jetpacks, do quick dodges, weapon jumps, ect years before Shittyfall released

>N-No Titanfall is the hardcore one despite having less complex movement and movement options!

Why didn't you just stay on cuckchan?

>>14724929

>AFPS

Oh so you got triggered people brought up another genre of FPS? So far the thread has mentioned multiple non AFPS as well but you are triggered that people are calling Titanfall casual because it's movement doesn't compare to popular older shooters. The only faggotry I see is the COD kids crying in this thread.

>>14724942

>Being so dumb you can't even remember the bullshit you were spouting

You implied Unreal didn't have movement tricks. You are wrong and underage.

>>14723569

I hope that video isn't trying to disprove that statement because it definitely didn't work.

>>14724941

>multiple non AFPS as well

Where? Everyone has either compared the games mentioned to COD or quake.

>>14724953

If we're talking UT2k4 and UT4, I guess, UT has always been seen as slow compared to Quake. Though the dodging in 99/2k4/UT4 was less suitable for gaining speed and map traversal, unless the map maker designed a specific spot which you can use a specific movement trick for to traverse the map more easily. That said, double-tapping to perform any kind of quick reflexive movement is pure fucking cancer. I want to dodge as soon as I want to, UT4 letting you one-tap dodge was a god send, though there were retards on the forums defending double-tapping as an input method because of balance or such shit. UT movement is more about being tricky and unpredictable during direct engagements, for what it's worth.

>>14724988

Games brought up in this thread

>Tribes

>TF2

>Natural Selection

>Insurgency

The retards bringing up Quake are the COD kiddies just as much as the actual non faggots.

>>14720798

>>14720865

>Originally says low TTK is good because it offsets the regenerating health

>Then spends the thread arguing the TTK isn't low in order to defend the shit game

Are you literally a shill? So which is it, it's either cancer because it has Regenerating health or it's cancer because it has low TTK. Either way it's cancer.

I need more FPS-games in the vein of Deus Ex where what you actually do makes a difference, with tons of branching storypaths and various ways to complete mission. Maybe too much to ask for.

I recently started playing Rainbow Six Vegas, which so far isn't bad. I've never played an RS game before. It feels kind of weird though. I've mostly been going through my PS1/PS2 and some 360 backlog lately so playing a colorless modern game again will take some getting used to.

>>14725029

>Tribes

Ok

>TF2

Only on misnomer, no one was talking about gameplay

>Natural Selection

One token mention, nothing about gameplay

>Insurgency

People are shitting on it for muh COD, so no.

>>14724933

>UT let you run along the wall, had jetpacks

Since when? UT99\2004 had neither of these as far as I can recall.

>>14720854

Glory kills are optional, you can ignore their existence and not miss anything.

>>14723537

Ubisoft

>>14723559

Ut3 had mechs. It's funny how that game is shit compared to the other UT's but fucking amazing compared to the shit kids enjoy these days.

If you are talking about new multiplayer FPS games there hasn't really been that many new releases this year or even last year, i don't know were you are getting

>Literally hundreds of FPS are released each year

from other than your ongoing delusion to shit on everything and not being satisfied with anything.

You can't even fucking discuss any multiplayer fps game without the thread going exactly like this:

>some guy who has an unhealthy hardon for arena shooters and antiquated mechanics calls all other genres of fps shit saying they have no skill, constantly begs for the arena shooter genre to have a revival but even when new ones are released he will find something to dislike about it and call it shit

>another guy will screech every game that someone suggests a Call of Duty clone because it shares a single mechanic with COD

>another dude just calls everyones taste shit despite his preferences, probably just trying to get some attention he desperately needs

>someone mentions NuDoom for the 50th time

>Lawbreakers, Overwatch is shit, gender neutral bathrooms, something about jews etc.

>>14725816

>some guy who has an unhealthy hardon for arena shooters and antiquated mechanics calls all other genres of fps shit saying they have no skill, constantly begs for the arena shooter genre to have a revival but even when new ones are released he will find something to dislike about it and call it shit

you sound like somebody who thinks nudoom is good

>>14725053

based

>>14725816

>antiquated mechanics

Maybe you should go back

>>14725816

But I didn't call non Arena shooters shit, just modern FPS. There are good non Arena FPS. Tribes is one for example. Do you think any game that isn't COD or Overwatch = Arena shooter? Is this what it's like inside the mind of a casual?

>Delusional

I backed up my claim though and it's true. On steam alone 100 non indie FPS games released in 2017 and 200 total. This is only counting steam not any other platform/console. So yes, literally hundreds.

>antiquated mechanics

Oh wait, you are just underage. Sorry about that little guy, I am not for bullying children even if they have shit taste.

>>14726193

>>14726344

Have fun autistically raging on any arena shooter actually trying to move the genre along by modernizing it a little. The only way to satisfy people like you is to make a Quake or UT clone with exactly nothing changed and even then you don't play it. Xonotic, Reflex and many more games that cater to your particular sensibilities while they all suffer from a dieing low playerbase because that's not actually what you want you just want a reason to complain.

>>14723614

>Wall of text with zero separation or formatting.

tl;dr

>>14726603

Good job putting words in my mouth faggot.

What does Modernizing mean? I have nothing wrong with an AFPS being different. UT4 changed things and I liked the changes.

>>14728551

>game's only influence on outcome is raw mechanical input

>this is somehow a bad thing

Normalfags never fail to impress me with their retardation. God forbid a game not have an "I win" button for them to press every 2 minutes so they feel useful.

>>14728579

Both of these posts demonstrate a poor understanding of the genre from conflicting perspectives.

The first guy complains he can shoot better, but lost by 20 points.

The second guy complains there's nothing to the game except shooting.

>>14723614

not reading this, fuck you

>>14726465

That's not what it means at all, retard. It means that AFPS faggots like you are always the ones who derail threads about any FPS that dares not be an AFPS. Sure enough, here you are, coming into a thread not specifically about AFPS and shitting it up with "Muh Quake was the peak of shooters!" bullshit. Fuck off

>>14728779

This thread is about FPS as a genre though. and AFPS is a part of that genre. How is AFPS not relevant?

>click r6 siege thread

>ctrl+f quake

>0 results

>click midair thread

>ctrl+f quake

>0 results

I've been playing Quake Champions and it's unironically not that bad tbh

>>14728779

>CoD kiddies this butthurt no one takes twitch shooters seriously

>>14720539

Whats really sad to me is a great game like CSGO is too indebted to the eSports expectations of the fanbase and outter eSports spectators that the devs haven't focused their attention on custom games which CSGO has a lot of potential in.

>>14720627

literally CSGO, but with more tactile application than something like Insurgency.

>>14720442

I guess the burden is on YOU since now you have to exercise your taste to pick and choose the ones you enjoy from the masses. That's not hard, there are plenty of challenging and engaging FPS games released recently and in the past. Like CSGO, or an old Halo game, or Assault Cube/Sauerbraten, or TeamFart 2.

For all the TF2 fans here, congratulations. You now know what the Overwatch threads were for someone that actually liked the concept.

In particular, you know very well that "summon mech to win" isn't an actual argument. Better players will summon their mechs sooner, more often, and achieve far more with it, while bad players will be lucky to get it even once, will get it much later and will probably lose it in seconds without killing anyone with it.

Same thing with Overwatch "ultimate abilities", where you charge them faster by performing better and using them requires thinking how to use them if you don't want to waste them.

A funny detail here is the auto-lock pistol that you also know very well it's not a "pick this to win every game" weapon, that there's several drawbacks and limitations to using it and therefore it serves niche uses, not really the "get frags" gun.

Same shit with Soldier's Ultimate, where he does get an auto-aim… That can't deal headshots, no matter where you aim. It's an ability designed around providing massive supressive fire at any range to force the oposing team to retreat, not to actually get kills and you'll lose against another player that points at your head instead.

But none of this makes it past the numbskulls that can only read "auto-aim", just like they do know with the smartlock pistol.

>>14728551

See, the irony and hypocrisy here is reading these posts and people rightfully bashing them. They are correct, those 2 twats are simply reducing the game to a very basic one and complaining that there's nothing else to play with. They do not understand the concept of map control, the different uses of each weapon, positioning, momentum, and they aren't even gonna try to understand any of it before criticizing a genre they simply do not understand.

And yet in the same threads, you'll find people criticizing class-based shooters or other types of FPS claiming that they are incredibly low-skill games with nothing to do but spam your mech\ulti\whatever because they'll never try to understand the differences in the genres and the components of gameplay that are present in those games. Doing the exact same shit as the people they criticize, fancy that.

For instance, you know very well the first fag only does 3000 damage without getting a single kill because he never capitalizes, he just takes potshots from afar with a minigun or gauss rifle and before he can get a kill, his oponent picked a health kit, came back and killed him.

Similarly, in Titanfall you'd see someone trying some bullshit tactic like camping with a sniper and getting fucked because that shit doesn't work.

Or in Overwatch, you'd see someone trying to flank the oposing team and complaining he dies all the time because he doesn't coordinate with his team at all.

Or, you know, the guy was right and dealing that much damage should have given him points, camping with a sniper should work and get you some matches and you should be able to kill 6 guys alone in a team-based shooter.

The more you stop trying to understand different genres, the more you muddy everything up to the point that there's only Quake and the many iteractions of Call of Duty, in different names and shapes but it doesn't matter because none of them are Quake.

>>14726193

>>14726365

>>14725028

classic arena shooters are a dime a dozen because most devs who title their games as such don't actually innovate the formula. That's my only real complaint about Quake, it's not its fault that it's so popular, but its popularity is choking out the life from the Arena FPS scene. CSGO tried, Halo tried, Team Fortress 2 tried, and these games have found some success, maybe not CSGO so much but it has had a cult following for its innovation to the arena shooter formula.

>>14728868

>equating a guy complaining about the better shooter winning in a shooting game to people complaining about low TTK peekaboo autism twitch shooters where every encounter is a coin flip and the fraction of a second that ping difference makes can secure a kill

Horseshoe theory doesn't work no matter where you try to apply it.

>>14721617

I wanted to get into Titan Fall 2 so bad but then i read

<source strafing mechanics

I will kill anyone and steal anything it takes to have this game now, Source bunnyhopping is best bunnyhopping fuck the quaketards

>>14723544

>>14723546

>>14723547

>>14723569

i thought 8chan would have some actual conversation but it looks like 4chanons also come here and bring their shit with it. I'm still thankful there's actual conversation going on with some of the people here in spite of the retards in green that just shit up the thread with nothing of value to add.

sucks too, because FPS games are so great and it seems like nobody cares about them enough to have a conversation on them

>>14725028

I've played most UT games so I can give you a primer here.

Up until UT4, you had dodges and double jumps to combine. No wall running, or sliding or sprinting or anything like that. Most advanced movement was using the Jackhammer or Shield Gun to get a boost at the cost of your HP or combining dodges with double jumps for a boost in speed, wall jumps giving you greater reach.

There are specific parts of the scenery that can be used to gain vertical momentum if you dodge against them at a specific angle, but that's literally a situational tactic that you can only perform in those specific parts of the map unless you can find geometry shaped with the same angle.

UT4 actually introduced wall running but I think it was actually after Titanfall, but can't remenber. However it's still mostly basic UT movement anyway.

The point of dodges and similar movement in UT was never to raise your speed to incredible amounts but rather to be more unpredictable in combat, close the gap if you're using the Flak Cannon or access specific parts of the map that need tricks to get there, which is why you have ramps to dodge onto and elevator boosting still.

Oh and by the way, the "mech" they are saying UT has? It's a Necris vehicle from UT3, the one nobody liked since it had GoW aesthetics and many questionable gameplay changes.

>>14728896

You can keep spamming buzzwords all you like, you'll never be a real boy until you post arguments instead.

The guy already explained to you that if you play TF2 like it's CoD, you're on your way to loser town.

The damage you deal can indeed kill someone in 0.4 seconds (stupid metric, you don't even state what weapon you're talking about) but that's assuming 100% accuracy. Good luck achieving that with both you and your target zooming around that fast.

You know what happens in CoD when a player sees someone else? He pulls up the iron sights, walks slower and shoots till he kills. You know what happens in TF2 when a player sees someone else? He keeps moving on because stopping actually kills you.

You remind me of a friend that tried to snipe people in UT2K4 with the shock rifle from vantage points, crouching down and everything. Only took one game to learn the hard way not to do that shit.

>>14724841

i blame all the thread shitting

>>14728868

Tell me about this Overwatch, from the way you put it the game sounds much different than my anon overlords have told me. I played it a little bit, but the particles and FX throw me off when shit starts happening. I'm used to a clean HUD and screen when I play, but I'd be willing to learn about your side of the fence. From what it sounds like, the abilities have more to do with effecting the enemy team to change their coordination, which is a really cool idea.

>>14728819

Low TTK is the whole point of an FPS game. It's confusing to me why people with your mentality say how bad in design a game with low TTK is, in spite of the fact that power ups and power weapons are designed to either increase your own TTK like armor, or decrease the enemy's TTK like a rocket lawnchair. Low TTK is a fundamental part of shooting gamez, and you subconsciously know this when you go to pick up armor, or a power weapon. You would be in better shape if you reflected on why you like certain things in AFPS titles, and then try to find similarities in other modern shooters.

with love, anon

>>14725044

circle jumps… why did it have to have circle jumps…

>>14728898

<source strafing mechanics

>I will kill anyone and steal anything it takes to have this game now, Source bunnyhopping is best bunnyhopping fuck the quaketards

Source bhopping should be like Quake 1 bhopping since Source Engine is based on the first Quake engine.

>>14728975

Low TTK is a reward for good play, not the default state of every engagement. When every engagement lasts a fraction of a second spastic twitch reaction time and getting the jump on the enemy is rewarded rather than thought and mechanical skill.

>>14728948

I'll admit I haven't played titanfall so maybe there's a lot more to it than I'm aware of. Care to show me some videos of actual competitive gameplay from it that you think represent what you're trying to say.

>>14728960

>>14728968

>>14728975

>>14728981

You can post multiple replies on the same post, you know? If the thread is anchored, there's little point in bumping it any longer.

>Tell me about this Overwatch

The game is nothing too special, each character has it's set of abilities for standard uses and most are fairly straightforward in how you play them.

The part where the game shines however is using abilities in interesting ways, especially with your team and this was the main appeal for me.

For instance, Mei is one of the best examples here. She has a Ice Wall to block doorways so she can prevent passage to enemies or provide some cover.

That's the basic use of it, but more advanced uses involve using it to lift up Bastion or Torb's Turret above an obstacle for a surprise attack, or splitting the enemy team in half so you can have 2 easy 6v3 fights instead of a messy 6v6 one. Or you can put it somewhere to make the enemy team clog up in one location while they wait and let Pharah unload her rockets there.

There's more like this for different characters, but it's also because a lot of them, even though they are simple concepts, are very satisfying to play as.

Mercy is what I always wanted the Medic in TF2 to be. Mei is an actually effective Pyro. Sombra is a decent and balanced Spy while Torb is a decent, balanced and usefull Engineer.

Lucio is really just Jet Set Radio on a standard shooter, DVa is fun to play as and now they added some support character that's basically a battle medic, attacking with melee to heal her companions.

The game really isn't some autistic masterpiece filled with incredible depth or anything.

It's just a really well designed simple concept that has massive amounts of polish into it. You get loads of different characters with wildly different playstyles to fuck around with, so even if you HAVE to play a role, there's something there to keep it fresh and while almost everything is simple, it's also fun and satisfying.

Put it this way, Sniper in TF2 is one of the most boring and autistic classes you can pick in the whole game. Now Widowmaker, that's actually fun to play as!

>>14729001

I haven't bought neither Titanfall game, I just pirated the second one to try the campaign and see the game for myself. Ended up wanting to buy it, but I'm probably late now to join up, and since they say there's a 3rd one coming, I'll wait for it instead.

I recommend you pirate the second one and give it a try, it's actually far more fun than you'd expect a modern FPS to be.

>>14729020

>has only played the game against computers

>is attempting to argue in favor of it as a competitive FPS

Jesus christ man what the fuck are you doing.

>unironically gave blizzard money

Ah, you've got brain damage I see. That explains it.

>>14729020

>massive amounts of polish

>it's also fun and satisfying

I can't believe these lies. You forgot to mention how rigged and awful the ranked system is, and how Blizz prints money from the game- through them forcing people into buying multiple copies.

Ranked works like this: Every new account has a hidden skill rating that gets determined based on their play in casual matches, based on your K/D ratio and other stats. They don't tell you this. So when you're learning the game and having 0.8 K/D, Blizz uses that to determine your starting rank. This internal ranking DOES NOT CHANGE. This internal rating determines where you start every single season. Even if you climb an entire tier you will restart next season near your hidden rating. Additionally, to make sure you don't climb, they force you into loss streaks depending on what you achieve. You'll get matched with people that have bad connections, that troll, or anything of the sorts. They rarely ban people that get reported, but they keep very good record of those names so they know how to force you into losing.

What happens next is that players get extremely frustrated, angry, and tired of their rank, so they end up buying another account so they can get a higher internal rating by having higher uncertainty. They get a higher bracket, new season high, whatever, only to get thrown into a forced loss streak, and repeat the cycle. They know this works- that's why they've been ignoring complaints since 2016 to reset your hidden rating.

On the other hand, high skill players buy 4-5 new accounts just for sport- to see how many accounts they can get into Top 500. Blizz doesn't care- they don't ban duplicates at all (which are clearly named similarly too).

They don't have lootbox scandals or complaints because that's not how they make their money. They don't care. Multiple purchases is how they do it.

None of this is a myth or theory- check the (archived) Competitive Discussion forums on Blizzard's forum for proof. People have made spreadsheets and done countless, deep, autistic calculations. Or, if you go on to the new forums, everyone's complaining about smurf accounts ruining their games. Go figure.

>>14729114

Bless you anon, I'll just stick to Halo Reach and CSGO

>>14729114

Do you have links to these threads or at least a timeframe for that archive of the subforum?

>>14729001

While I agree with you to an extent, there are plenty of games who use methods to give information to each player's location, which makes getting a jump either slow and not optimal or very hard to do. CSGO, and Sauerbraten use sound and predictable map layouts to get at least an educated guess. one game asks you to use your teammates as additional radar, and one game makes you rely on your enemy to make a mistake like using jump pads or switching weapons. I think Halo Reach would benefit immensely if the SWAT game mode added a short distance radar. Even if you can get jump kills, SWAT is very fun and I'm sure it's balanced better with people you can communicate with and more predictable map layout.

>>14729020

I know but I like making my posts personal to each anon, even you :)

>>14729056

Hey, I don't need to try multiplayer to test the movement mechanics or even the mech ones, that you can do even offline.

I've also kept an eye on threads here and saw a few videos of it since unlike some fags, I actually like to get to know stuff that I'm not too familiar with before talking about it.

At least I played the singleplayer campaign, which is far more that can be said for half of this thread that still feel like they have a valid input on it.

>unironically gave blizzard money

Yeah, I kinda figured the problem never was with the game but rather with the company for the likes of you. Sorry mate, they made a game that I can have fun with, so yes, they got my money. I don't much care about whatever pissing content or beef you have with the company, the way they handle Warcraft or Hearthstone or Starcraft has no bearing on my decision regarding buying Overwatch or not.

>>14729114

Oh shit, it's you again, the "you gotta smurf to win!" anon!

You get an "invisible rank" for normal play, not for Ranked mode. Ranked mode starts with your "normal rank" during your placement matches, but as soon as you complete them, it's your rank now that dictates who you play against and nothing else.

You could post links or the archives themselves, but you didn't, so I'll dismiss it with the same effort you place into it.

Because as far as I know, it's just butthurt faggots that are somewhat decent at the game and expected to keep playing with noobs and bad players all the way to Diamond, and as soon as they fight against anyone equally skilled "It's the forced 50/50! I should win every game against equally skilled oponents!".

Coincidentally, it's also the same tards that run ahead with a Genji or Reaper, die alone and complain their time ain't helping at all.

It's no wonder they do well with smurf accounts. We are talking about players that would easily rank at 2300 starting over and over again, just for the pleasure of playing against rank 1500 players and getting easy wins to pad their ego. As soon as they reach their deserved 2300, they suddendly fight against people that can kick their ass in equal measure and suddendly there's a fuckload of complaining because they have no idea what a Bell Curve is but still believe themselves to be part of the 3% outliers.

Professional players and streamers don't get second accounts for that reason though, moron.

They get a second account so they can fuck around without screwing with their history or ranking, for when they want to have fun.

And also because if you're a famous competitive player and people recognize you, they will suddendly focus you all the time, making for a terrible game.

The OP image is pretty funny. Because old FPS' you recognise from the level layout, MW3 however you recognise by the reused premade assets of the concrete block building

>>14729251

I watched some videos of competitive teams and it's literally just call of duty with jet-packs, and I'm pretty sure call of duty has jet-packs now anyways. If you get a jump on the enemy he's basically just fucked. Every time people want to engage for a kill they need to ADS and barely move more than a few feet in radius as they are getting the kill. It's just another sluggish low TTK CoD clone sprinkled with a fraction of the mobility that AFPS offers to make it seem new and shiny.

>Yeah, I kinda figured the problem never was with the game but rather with the company for the likes of you.

Not the case here at all. With Overwatch it's just the icing on the cake. One of my best highschool friends is a professional Overwatch player and confirmed to me that it's a terrible competitive FPS.

Whether or not you enjoy a game is irrelevant to whether it is a good competitive shooter. Flaunting the fact that you are indifferent to the constant unethical business practices preformed by Blizzard is probably behavior you should shy away from in conversations like these.

>>14729357

>I watched some videos and saw what I wanted to see

>my friend who plays the game tells me it's bad, so it's true

We are at "my dad works for nintendo" levels of argumentation here, ladyboys and gentlemen.

>>14729179

Sure. Here's some bookmarks I had (Read threads start to finish because there's a lot of debates or single posts with good points):

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749145252

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749785148

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749605044

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749295661

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749017808

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749345050

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749176867

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748968876

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20749135926

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If you want newer stuff, you're in luck. A new season has started so if you go to the new forums you'll see people talking about their placements. In those threads people talk about their previous season's record and their starting rank- it's pretty clear what's going on. Searching "placements" or "forced loss"/"forced loss streak" or some combination of those words will give you answers. "Spreadsheet"/"ELO"/"MMR" are other good search terms.

>>14729251

>the "you gotta smurf to win!" anon!

Who? Are you so desperate to shill that you're making blind assumptions?

>it's your rank now that dictates who you play against and nothing else.

Then why do Blizzard staff, in the forum posts, refer to MMR and SR as two separate, constant entities? Why do they talk about your placement rank being lower than your MMR as an intentional feature?

>You could post links or the archives themselves

See above. Connect the dots.

>Because as far as I know, it's just butthurt faggots that are somewhat decent at the game and expected to keep playing with noobs

See those posts. There's a lot of proof of games where the posters themselves carried.

>We are talking about players that would easily rank at 2300 starting over and over again

Funny. You don't mention bronzes and silvers who want to hit plat off calibration- a fair amount of the smurf base. Or plats who can't break diamond and want to calibrate at diamond.

The rest of your post is just projection and blind assumption so I can't really comment on that. Don't even bother man. Read those threads before even think of replying. Don't bother with excuses afterwards. Don't bother calling it outliers or "it's just some people". If numerous people have outlier experiences it's not an outlier. Don't bother talking about tilt being a reason for loss streaks. Even if you're tilted your skill (built over hours and hours) does not significantly drop over 10 games- it's not fluid. Don't bother talking about "a pro did it"- there's a thread there that answers that. Don't talk about having to group with good players- you shouldn't be forced to make friends just to make a game work properly.

You are blind to how this game functions. You're trying to rationalize a bad purchase. Read the forums. Wake up.

>>14729373

Me analyzing some competitive videos gives me just as much authority on the topic as you playing the campaign does. Believe me or not about my friend, I don't really care at this point. I've done nothing but converse in good faith so far.

I don't need to argue against anything. You haven't made a single substantial argument yourself. All you've done for the entire thread is talk about how much fun you have playing bad games and spouted PR bullshit about things being conceptually interesting. I would call you a paid shill but I've known enough blizzdrones throughout my life to know better. You actually do it for free.

>>14729347

Do people still play Red Orchestra games?

>>14729374

Now this will make for some interesting reading.

>Who?

There was an Anon in the Overwatch threads complaining about "forced 50/50" and how you had to smurf to win, saying the exact same point that this was their actual business model.

>Then why do Blizzard staff, in the forum posts, refer to MMR and SR as two separate, constant entities?

Because you have a separate ranking for Quick Play that is used for Quick Play alone. This might be one reason.

The other is that you kinda need a rank when you start a season in both MMR and Quickplay to partner you with equal players right from the start, so they likely use the rank of previous seasons as a starting point or use an algorythm to estimate what your rank will be to start you at that level. And if it's the latter, it's normal they want you lower than the projected level since overshooting it is far worse than undershooting it.

>There's a lot of proof of games where the posters themselves carried.

I'll be reading them, but this right here should tip you off easily.

If a player is carrying a team, he is at a far higher level than the rest of his team, at least so the difference is noticeable. And don't forget, this is a player claiming he is carrying a team. Self-agrandizing twats that think they are pivotal to the team are nothing new in these types of games.

But assuming he is correct, if there's a player that's far better than the rest in a team, the average of the other team will be better than 5 players. It's no surprise he loses, especially if he is partnering with a low-ranked friend.

>Don't bother with the most common arguments that easily explain this, Occam's Razor be damned, I have a narrative to push.

Sure, I'll be reading them, if only to see how that confirmation bias is treating you.

>>14729387

>watching let's play gives me the same authority as actually playing the game

Don't ever play any game ever again Anon. You can just watch someone else play it. :^)

>You haven't made a single substantial argument yourself.

Don't have to, you haven't done it either in the first place. You haven't posted these "professional videos" so we can see what exactly you're talking about and nobody here is going to meet your gay friend to learn why he holds that opinion.

If you're happy with your "arguments" just because they confirm your point of view, good for you. But that's never gonna convince anyone else.

>>14721461

No

>>14729428

>Don't ever play any game ever again Anon. You can just watch someone else play it. :^)

You've never stepped foot into a single online match and haven't shown a shred of understanding competitive shooters in this entire thread. It's not that difficult to tell how a game operates from watching it, especially when it appears to function almost identically to every CoD game I've ever seen or played.

All you've said is "it just werks" and "you just need to experience it 4 urself just buy the game and you'll find out!". Never once actually delving into any competitive theory or analysis.

I've explained multiple times at length why low TTK creates an inherently anti-competitive shooter. I'm getting tired of repeating myself as you continuously gaslight more and more with each post.

I can pick any video at random to show off exactly what I'm talking about. Within the first 5 minutes of this shit there are like 6 examples of engagements where the opponent could not possibly control the outcome resulting in his death because of how fast he drops. Time 2:26 is just one of the many examples. The game might be fun, it might have more depth than your average CoD, but it's still a joke compared to AFPS.

>>14729499

we get it you have good observation skills. b-but… ok I'm just replying because I used the same point as you before,

>It's not that difficult to tell how a game operates from watching it

though I suppose generally you need to have played a game of similar or same genre/mechanics before to actually be able to make the connections. ok anon, I'm deciding you're a good poster. ^_^

>>14729499

>You've never stepped foot into a single online match and haven't shown a shred of understanding competitive shooters in this entire thread.

Neither have you, funny how that works.

>It's not that difficult to tell how a game operates from watching it.

Anyone watching a Quake video will see dudes shooting at each other and getting pickups wherever they go. If you really think someone can understand how Quake works just by watching a video, where you can't even know the actual respawn time for shields for instance… Well, you're making broad judgements of TF2 using the same mindset, so that's not a surprise.

>All you've said is "it just werks" and "you just need to experience it 4 urself just buy the game and you'll find out!"

And all you've said is "it just doesn't werk!", uh. I also said to pirate the game, not to buy it. Getting into it's Multiplayer right now really ain't a smart idea, by the time you got into the meta, the third one is probably done.

>Never once actually delving into any competitive theory or analysis.

Like saying "twitch shooter peeakaboo low-ttk"? Shouting long strings of buzzwords isn't competitive theory, mate.

>I've explained multiple times at length why low TTK creates an inherently anti-competitive shooter.

I don't think you understand why people disagree with you. Or maybe you do but you don't care.

Nobody disagrees that low-ttk is bad, but you don't actually have low-ttk in the game due to high mobility. You can theorycraft as much as you want with weapon damage and firing speed, but if you're still gonna consider 100% accuracy at all time then Quake has the shortest TTK with railgun headshots.

>The game might be fun, it might have more depth than your average CoD, but it's still a joke compared to AFPS.

It's another one of those "here's a point where nobody disagrees with me but I'll argue like they do".

Titanfall 2 is not an aFPS, or at least not a "classic" one. Seriously, the regenerating health, kill streaks or FREAKING MECHS should have given it away.

Nobody is claiming that TF2 is better or worse than aFPS, people are just telling you "stop judging a game in a genre it clearly doesn't belong into!"

You're making as much sense as claiming that Age of Empires is a terrible racing game.

>>14729548

Right, so you're just going to ignore the fact that I've given you 40 minutes of evidence supporting my claims, including an exact time showing a perfect example of everything I've theorized as you cherry pick shit I've said while ignoring every legitimate piece of writing on the subject.

>Nobody is claiming that TF2 is better or worse than aFPS, people are just telling you "stop judging a game in a genre it clearly doesn't belong into!"

People aren't telling me this, you are telling me this. And you are once again gaslighting by pretending like we're having a completely different conversation than we actually are. The genre is irrelevant. Game are either competitive or they aren't. You can create pretty objective metrics for these things based on the control the game gives you over your environment and player condition. I already went over all of this at length in the previous post, all of which you completely ignored.

I'm done with this shit. You've shown no interest in a good faith discussion and have resorted to constant gaslighting to save face. You're either an absolute retard or being malicious, both more than enough grounds to tell you to fuck off to whatever hole your crawled out of.

>>14729653

>runs out of bullets

>this is your example of someone turning an engagement around

Not even going to bother reading the rest. You are utterly incompetent.

>>14729521

>neither of them show anything concrete that proves the ranked system is rigged to make unbalanced teams on purpose.

Overestimated you. I said read start to finish. You're clearly not reading at all. Let me just say this again with quotes because you have zero reading comprehension:

Overwatch is intentionally using an inappropriate ranking system for a game of their nature (single player ELO derived from chess instead of some team based rating like TrueSkill):

You can't accurately determine an individual's skill in a team-based game using a rating system especially designed for single player games. Performance in Overwatch is influenced by other players (you'd better understand what this means).

This inappropriate ranking is further proved by the accuracy of the medal/scoreboard system.

You said:

>Nuff said, but let's just say that just getting lots of Eliminations doesn't really increase rank that much

So you think medals are an accurate metric to determine players' skill. You additionally think that SR weighting works fine (you keep talking about calculations). But that's not the case for either as the system can be gamed:

>The problem is when a rein blocks anything and everything all the time - a torb or bastion and a dva will tear up reins shield in less than 2 seconds..when the time comes for a good push opportunity rein will be at 30% shield..making the push way weaker. But hey..he just blocked 1800 dmg (but now needs to spend time recharging).

>Shared elims is just not a good idea for comp play. Neither is straight damage as a metric. A headshotting mcree will have less damage than a DVA spamming fire into everything all day but who made the biggest impact?

>I don't think the computer is capable of determining if kills are effective at helping the team with the objective or just random kills that ignored the objective, nor can it compare heals and utility to dps.

Secondly, no player can carry in overwatch:

>3700 zarya player with 50% energy avg with a 3300 smurf that can't climb despite 5k extra damage and 10% more energy (nice selective blindness you have)

You have said this yourself:

>Third link is a guy asking how he alone can win a game without relying on his team in a team-based game

>(being a tank is suffering)

>The playerbase just really isn't that good. :^)

Blizzard has knowledge of leavers and trolls through reports.

This is obvious.

Players have experienced extreme loss streaks after reaching a new tier or season high, or coming close to it:

>Cant really say in tilted, i just get grouped up with 5 dps, over and over and over and over. Trying to figure out if im supposed to play tank or healer

>I also take a ton of losses due to rage quitters that get their ults shut down because they tried to run solo into a crowd and wipe them all.

>Same here, soloqd to plat, after that matchmaking drastically shifted and had a massive lose streak because of this that put me all the way down to 2000

>I just went from 2993 to 2767 in a little over 2 hours with a 10 game losing streak.

>Placed 2556 or something and was able to eek out a 2,6k something at one point. Then I started losing bad and ended up at just under 1,8k omg right?

>When I get close to 2650, I get on a losing streak. When I climb too low, I go right back up. I'm stuck in a loop.

>I can one up you. I was 70 away from Diamond. And now I'm at my lowest 2252.

>I climbed from 2700 to 2900 from 3 am - 5 am then morning hit and BAM trolls and throwers left and right

And everyone has similar reasons for it (at the mercy of bad players, since nobody can solo carry):

>Its laughable when I see multiple snipers on KoH or players who simply do not contribute.

>My main issue with bad pugs in soloque and losing streaks seem to be… everyone is attack main who refuses to swap no matter what.

>Anyway, Clawed my way up to over 2000 three times this season, only to be knocked back down repeatedly by: LEAVERS - over 40 games with leavers

>My main issue with bad pugs in soloque and losing streaks seem to be… everyone is attack main who refuses to swap no matter what.

There are MULTIPLE anecdotes of this in all those threads. That is SPECIFICALLY why I mentioned those threads. Explain to me, very clearly, how does everyone have the exact same experiences near certain records or ranks? Why does everyone have the same reasons? Everyone can't be lying and everyone can't be having "bad luck" over multiple games. Tilt is never strong enough to wipe out everyone's skill in 10 games. If you're going to try defending someone taking a sniper on KoTH or 5 dps you're dumber than I thought.

There's clearly no point in arguing you because you're trying to ignore everything that flies in the face of "SR just works". And I thought you were intelligent enough to make sense of my point. Shame.

>>14729839

>5:15

A massive stretch. I surely hope this isn't going to be a list of ""engagements"" every time an enemy shows up on the players screen halfway across the map. The actual engagement didn't begin until 5:18 where he dodged into cover and then proceeded to peekaboo and drop the guy in 0.01 seconds.

>6:38

Neither got the jump on each other so there was opportunity for equal engagement.

>8:00

What you don't seem to understand is that your idea of constant movement is in direct contradiction to how the games gunplay works. You literally can not fire your weapon when you're sprinting around, putting you at a disadvantage. It is much more effective to keep your weapon at the ready, which is why you see situations like this happen. This problem is solved in AFPS.

>8:25

There can be situations where people out maneuver. Doesn't mean it's the norm.

>9:20

He vaguely aimed in his direction and his health plummeted to 10% within a fraction of a second. Dumb luck that he didn't get the kill. Can't tell if there's bullet spread or recoil in this game but that would have been the deciding factor if there is.

>10:30

I don't care about the games gimmick. The fundamental gameplay is flawed enough without needing to delve into the artificial reward systems. These artificial strategic elements are a very long complicated other conversation entirely.

>11:30

The other guy can't kill him either because he's going fast, and he wasn't going fast as a reaction to his environment or player condition.

>11:50

If no one ever stopped moving a single bullet wouldn't be fired for the entire round. But this one was mostly just a shitty play, he was firing his dumb grenade launcher at nothing while not paying attention to his surroundings.

>13:30

Dude was afk

>You said you could "understand how the game plays just by watching a video"

I can and have understood everything I've just watched. I'm not retarded, in fact I think I've done a much better analysis of the game than you have without ever even having played it since you yourself don't seem to understand the basic gunplay mechanics and I've had to point out glaring errors in your observations.

>Or that it seems pure luck that the Big Shield regenerates precisely when the guy goes near it and therefore there's clearly RNG at foot there?

Do you legitimately think that if someone witnessed a player routinely reaching a power weapon or health pack right as it spawned their first instinct would be that he's incredibly lucky? You sound absolutely ridiculous.

>You can claim I "do it for free" all you like, it's not like you're paid either.

I'm arguing for ideas supported by games that are often free and open source. You're arguing for ideas supported by mega corporations that consistently fuck over their customers and create objectively shitty competitive shooters. There's a fundamental difference between me and you.

>However, I'd much rather that discussions like this were avoided in the future.

The discussion was ultimately productive when you were eventually goaded into a real analysis rather than just touting your bullshit conceptually "fun" games and their selling points like some PR drone.

>But I prefer seeing actually decent discussions about each game

No you don't. Every single time your opinions and ideas were questioned you avoided addressing the points made and constantly subverted the conversation. You had little interest in real discussion until you were painfully dragged into it.

>But the second we start to brand anything not Quake as "That's just CoD"

What sets it apart from the new CoDs? As far as I've seen it has all of the same mechanics. Regardless that isn't my main point and is mostly said in jest. We'd need to do another autistic video analysis and we've already seen how awful you are at those.

>I have fun with the game I bought, already got my money back in entertainment value,

You can enjoy bad games. I enjoy plenty of bad games. You keep falling back on this to once again gaslight the discussion being had. Your enjoyment of something is irrelevant to this discussion. Are you alluding to the fact that I think purchasing games from Blizzard is unethical? Then attempt to argue that. I don't really understand what you're trying to say anymore. Once again it just devolves into more gaslighting and off-topic ramblings.

>>14729001

>Care to show me some videos of actual competitive gameplay

The "competitive" community is pretty autistic and bans some tactical abilities/maps. Vid related is a decent idea of what an intermediate-high player can do with one of the projectile weapons, which considered "suboptimal" by meta shitters (you may want to look at the original since the frame rate is rough on hooktube).

There are also a million Kraber montages, but they tend to be full of nigger music and literal 360 quickscopes so I figured I'd spare you.

>>14729357

Ah; seems I was too late. If you're still paying attention to this thread, I would just like to reiterate what I said above: the "competitive" community treats the game like CoD, complete with all the bans and metafaggotry you'd expect. The rest of us who actually played it did whatever we felt like and had fun going fast. TF|2 has plenty of similarities to CoD, but the added elevation and ease of speed is night and day when you compare it to Infinite Warfare's awful, stiff jetpacks and movement mechanics bolted onto a decade-old game engine.

>ADS

That is one instance where you're incorrect, though. Hipfire in TF|2 is the most accurate of any CoD-like I've ever seen, to the point I almost never used ADS even with assault rifles. One submachine gun in particular is actually less accurate when using ADS as a balancing mechanism.

>>14729499

Oh, those wiggers are playing on console. That's why it looks sluggish and awful.

>>14729963

You have the patience of a saint.

>>14729548

>You can theorycraft as much as you want with weapon damage and firing speed, but if you're still gonna consider 100% accuracy at all time then Quake has the shortest TTK with railgun headshots.

Quake doesn't have headshots. The railgun deals flat damage regardless of where it hits. There might be mods for headshots like how Xonotic has a separate hitbox for the head generally, but the bonus damage by hitting it is exclusive to a modded weapon.

>>14720504

>Siege

>Titanfall 2

Absolute plebeian taste. The absolute state of nu/v/.

>>14729347

Have you seen Post Scriptum?

>>14729920

Nice strawman.

>You can end a game with all the gold medals and it doesn't mean jackshit for rating.

Okay, and earlier you said this:

>let's just say that just getting lots of Eliminations doesn't really increase rank that much, especially considering his small "time on objective".

And then you say this:

>You'll still lose or win rank depending on if you win or lose, but the amount changes depending on how well you performed your roles.

So which is it? Medals/performance mean "jackshit" or they have some effect? I'll save you the trouble and answer that for you. Blizzard themselves said performance and relative performance of teammates influence your SR loss/gain IN THEIR SEASON 7 POST (https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/21173548).

>something the medals don't take into account.

Interesting. So medals aren't totally accurate (according to you) yet they influence SR gain according to Blizzard themselves. So how can you try to defend an inaccurate SR system without pointing acknowledging its flaws? That's intellectually dishonest. You don't even know the game you're defending so hard. Nice.

>Blocking damage means nothing[…]

You are moving the goalposts.

I said:

>Overwatch is intentionally using an inappropriate ranking system […]

>This inappropriate ranking is further proved by the accuracy of the medal/scoreboard system.

Which I followed by my example of various scenarios that cannot be analyzed based purely on numbers.

I am pointing out that their existing algorithms are not accurate and make their ranking system worse than it already is. This has nothing to do with game macro.

>And who will have the biggest rank change in the end [..]

More macro discussion, more goalpost moving.

>You mean they don't win all the time when faced against equally skilled oponents? [..]

Nice strawman. So losing 10 games in a row is normal? So in CSGO, DOTA, LoL, multiple people lose 10 games in a row right before reaching a new tier?

So you're telling me someone magically stops playing like a 2556 player in overwatch and, in a few hours, ends up playing like a 1,8k player when, according to YOUR EXACT WORDS: "someone ranked 65 for instance can be ranked anything between 1980 and 1915, which is quite the gap"?

Answer the following questions very clearly.

>There is a chance someone can win or lose a match. Yes or no

>What is the chance someone will lose 2 games in a row? Higher or lower?

>What is the chance someone will lose 3 games in a row? Higher or lower?

>Repeat those odds until 10 games.

Now answer me:

>What are the chances MULTIPLE people ALL lose 10 games in a row?

>What are the chances someone has mixed wins and losses over 10 games? Higher or lower than that?

If you're going to try talking your way out of that I really don't know what to tell you.

>A new over hyped game is filled with tons of bad players?

So you're telling me their ranked system doesn't work and doesn't accurately place people where they actually belong, in their correct brackets? But according to you, overwatch ELO works so well that "suddendly [sic] there's a fuckload of complaining because they have no idea what a Bell Curve is but still believe themselves to be part of the 3% outliers"

>The beginning of every Season see everyone starting close together […]

But according to Blizzard themselves EVERYONE starts lower than their MMR at the start of a new season (you say this too: "it's normal they want you lower than the projected level"). This has a hard limit at bronze. So everyone gets shifted down so if anything, you'd only see this mess in bronze, but you want to apply it to all skill brackets?

>It was Seasons 1 and 2 [..]

Mhm. So if I go over to the blizz forums right now and read threads of bad players on teams, what am I supposed to think of that? Did blizz fix it or not?

>Matchmaking could have been whatever, even entirely random, and the same problem would still occur, the odds of running into decent players were just that low.

Okay. So why does nobody complain about placement matches in new seasons in League of Legends where everyone gets a hard rating reset at the beginning of each one and gets weighted the same? Give me one real life example of a game with competitive matchmaking where MULTIPLE players complained of RARELY finding decent players. Be sure to give your sources or quote different players like I did.

> you can report player's behaviour […]I've personnaly seen it.

>Used to play with a "friend" that also though he was hot shit at the game [..]

No sources? Just your personal experiences which you want to use as examples? Who's biased now?

You're out of arguments and falling all over yourself here. Just stop.

>>14728996

Oh I see. I've only played 2 and Live and a couple mods from 2 so the only Bhopping I know is that shit ass no-turn style that's literal cancer

>>14728859

>there are plenty of challenging and engaging FPS games released recently

Can you name some? I seriously want to know. I know Midair comes out tomorrow.

>>14730286

CPMA adds sharp turns on a/d, but the main way of accelerating is the same as Quake 2 and 3. This is the same kind of case as Xonotic, but there's crouch jumping and a/d is optimal acceleration while doing that.

Fallout 4 VR seems to be a good contender for what you're looking for, be sure to grab Skyrim VR to compliment it!

>>14730991

I don't. I just hate badly designed games like COD, Fornite and Overwatch. I hope Midair turns out to be good and I am going to play it tomorrow with the rest of /v/.

>>14729347

see >>14721745

>>14730991

Because that's one of the few things /v/ was made for.

>>14734419

It's not really nitpicking. I'm a little annoyed myself that players that don't recognize game mechanics also fail to differentiate between the games.

Especially the kind that watch a frag movie, and think Quake [3] gameplay is all about making cool snappy shots when sometimes its the result of someone playing at 120+ fps and recording a 30-60 fps video for Youtube. If we're talking about 10 years ago, someone playing on a CRT and 30 fps Youtube video- it can be assumed that video will have 1/4th or less of the frames making the shot look more erratic than it was in-game.