270296 No.14712532
The last CRT thread >>14661992 is dead, so let's have another one.
Do you prefer flat or curved CRTs?
You guys rocking any cool computer monitors?
What are PVM bros chilling with right now?
270296 No.14712535
>>14712532
Now for my stupid questions:
I'm about to move soon and I might finally have the space to have all my shit hooked up after not having that ability for a year or two, and I'm going to get a new CRT. If it's possible, I want to get a new HDCRT for my 7th gen vidya (old one died) and a new regular one for everything else. Are there any HDCRTs that don't have lots of input lag? Mostly talking for modern games here. Are there any consumer grade CRT TVs that can do 480p?
b3abf9 No.14712578
I've noticed that CRTs are very easy to focus on since they create a flat image. Great for mitigating eye strain. LCDs have a differing plane of focus depending on whether the pixel is bright or dark which makes things look weird and fuzzy as fuck. Makes my eyes bleed.
Projectors are also easy to focus on.
98449a No.14712865
>inb4 a '00s baby shits up the thread by shilling for the electronics company his father is enslaved by to sell devices that look shit, break at the slightest contact, can't display the color black correctly and will stop working within 10 years of initial purchase thanks to planned obsolescence
270296 No.14712910
>>14712865
This. Those fags ruin every CRT thread. Let us /vr/ fags enjoy our games in peace.
ff1f00 No.14712926
>>14712532
Why do you sound so desperate.
270296 No.14713048
>>14712926
I just want to have a nice thread about video games.
13011f No.14713342
>>14712535
Sadly just about every HDCRT has a digital layer.
729505 No.14713366
>>14712535
>Are there any HDCRTs that don't have lots of input lag
No
26521a No.14713565
>>14712535
>Are there any HDCRTs that don't have lots of input lag?
if you're going with a source that can directly do 720p/1080i like a 7th gen console, you'll be in a decent spot. Best you can get in English speaking countries is a Sony KV34XBR960. The 970 variant has a similar looking chassis but a worse tube, the 960 has Sony's super fine pitch trinitron.
This is a good set with minimal input delay as measured by RGBrob from Australia. It's also fairly common as it was positioned in the market as the last super high end consumer CRT. There are other HD CRTs that are a lot more uncommon from the 90s and early to mid 2000's which are extremely sought after presentation monitors like NEC XM series, Mitubishi Megaview series, and even a few Asia only Sony Trinitrons that could accept RGBHV and component HD sources without additional processing. Not a very easy find being from Asia. Otherwise your only other choices for input lag free HD CRTs are either PC monitors with an adapter for component/hdmi to VGA or a multiformat monitor like what may be my favorite the JVC DT-V1710/Ikegami HTM-1700r/Panasonic BT-H 1700p.
9957eb No.14713572
CRTfags are luddites holding back progress.
9a54e9 No.14713578
>>14712535
>he fell for the crt meme
It's like trap posters of /b/ not actually liking traps but courting young men into being faggots.
729505 No.14713591
>>14713572
the only thing they are holding back is themselves
2197a1 No.14713600
>>14713572
The push for LCD monitors is one of the jew. LCDs can be easily assembled for next to nothing by chink slaves and sold for a 2000% mark up. LCDs are an inherently flawed technology created as a stop gap for better technology, but we will forever be stuck with LCDs holding us back because of the (((profit))).
d9852c No.14713606
>>14713600
The problem and the solution is bringing manufacturing back so we can actually use better display technology that actually exists.
9957eb No.14713626
>>14713600
There is nothing wrong with LCDs. They display black just fine and there isn't as much latency as claimed by CRTfags. The only reason to use CRT is for games with a lot of dithering. That is the only reason.
d9852c No.14713656
>>14713626
LCDs and CRTs are both outdated garbage. Neither are very good, one of them burns your eyeballs out and gives you headaches and weights a fucking ton while the other looks like shit no matter what kind of variety you get.
7db931 No.14713679
>>14713656
Why not have both?
2197a1 No.14713712
>>14713679
Because LCDs have to keep making money.
2197a1 No.14713791
>>14713749
SEDs are flat, you retard.
9a54e9 No.14713808
>>14713791
ebin tell us more about your cancer machine please
d8bb98 No.14713845
e90a2c No.14713875
I have always been skeptical of CRT, after all you can emulate the games and there is shit to make it look all right
but cleaning out my garage I had a huge ass crt lying around and a ton of original hardware I figured I might as well set it up right?
the first thing I noticed is sitting around bullshitting about games with your buddy, playing splitscreen ect is like hundreds of times easier on original hardware, and since its a tv I put it in an open area instead of at my computer desk, which helped once again with the above
so for that reason alone I am now in the original hardware camp instead of the emulation camp
1b9b6e No.14714040
>>14713875
>have nvidia shield TV
>friends got one too
>the biggest pain in the ass is pairing the controllers, which was pretty much nothing
>arcade beat-em-ups for hours
>on a 4K Samsung set to gaym mode
>we did gud
I get what you're saying though, original controllers at least still feel the best.
729505 No.14714208
>>14713875
you do realize you can plug in your computer into most modern TVs right?
4f086f No.14714222
>>14714208
>doing this for anything but video
Philistine
c291ca No.14714237
>>14713626
CRT's have had higher resolutions and refresh rates until very recently. All but the most bleeding edge LCD's are inferior to the high end CRT's that were being released right before they were discontinued.
729505 No.14714250
>>14714237
>CRT's have had higher resolutions
They don't. CRTs are limited to specific resolutions and beyond that you'll be getting interlaced images.
9a54e9 No.14714274
>>14714222
What do you use to see your screen? Do you just look into the cable?
4f086f No.14714281
>>14714250
They do and still do. Finer dot pitches gives a much higher point of perceptible detail resolution than lcd pixels still. The sole limiting factor was DACs were never developed farther due to the hasty adoption of flat panels to save on shipping cost.
729505 No.14714289
>>14714281
>They do and still do
Only if you are using computer monitors and not TVs.
Using CRT monitors to play old consoles is pretty pointless.
c291ca No.14714402
>>14714250
High End CRT's were going up to 2048x1536 right before they were discontinued. Only in the last few years with 4K have LCD's had comparable resolutions to CRT's.
729505 No.14714414
>>14714402
Got a link to CRT TVs like that?
c291ca No.14714439
cc0b05 No.14714557
>>14714439
Weren't those also technically limited by the bandwidth of the interface?
8ab417 No.14714564
Just picked up a Commodore 1701, and got a cable to use scart on my 1084S to play Mega Drive shit on it.
c291ca No.14714586
>>14714557
I don't really know what you mean by that, I personally owned a Diamond Pro 2060u and could handle that resolution fine over VGA. Only problem is that UI's get kind of small on that resolution, so I didn't use it that much. I mostly owned it so that I could play Quake 3 at 160hz 800x600, only very recently do we have higher than 120hz LCD'ds that you can actually buy (and for a lot more than the $200 that I paid for my CRT). Unfortunately it broke in shipping a couple years ago.
cc0b05 No.14714591
>>14714586
>I don't really know what you mean by that
By that I mean that one of the reason it can't go even higher than that is because VGA simply can't handle that.
c291ca No.14714608
>>14714591
I see, that would make sense and it's kind of a shame that we didn't see CRT's that can take advantage of modern interfaces.. I think it would be great to see how CRT's could have advanced today, we would have 120hz as a standard for everyone and resolutions would in general be higher. But instead the only new CRT's that get made are from old Chinese factories that only push out ones that can do 1024x768 and have mediocre specs.
729505 No.14714621
>>14714439
>monitors
I asked for TVs specifically
c291ca No.14714687
>>14714621
I personally don't know about that since I don't use TV sets, I only use monitors.
13011f No.14716374
>>14714621
A TV is a monitor with a tuner, dipshit.
26521a No.14716386
>>14716374
tvs generally support 15khz while monitors don't, at least in layman speak.
e968e0 No.14718849
>>14714631
Link me to your eBay page, kike.
5c1cc0 No.14719157
044e85 No.14719225
Thinking about getting a b/w 4" Trinitron security monitor to dedicate for GB games and a color 4" Trinitron to dedicate for GG/GBC/GBA/etc games.
Does anyone have any experience with these small screens? Is it the same game as when getting a regular tube? Is there anything particular to small screens that I need to be aware of?
c733cc No.14719279
>>14719157
I have enjoyed my plasma as my monitor for almost 8 years now but I still have two CRTs.
26521a No.14719290
>>14719225
there are no black and white trinitrons, and nothing special about tiny tubes. black and white crts have an extremely high resolution.
22110c No.14719318
>>14719290
Okay yeah you're right I meant just a b/w PVM or whatever a monochrome tiny monitor made by probably Sony. Thanks for the info
13011f No.14726851
>>14719225
Don't. That small, it's pretty useless. Don't go much smaller than 14", because the smaller you go with a CRT, the more detail you lose.
729505 No.14726885
>>14716374
Monitors have a fixed refresh rate
13011f No.14726894
>>14726885
Confirmed for only ever owning shitty consumer grade CRT
b37da4 No.14730431
>>14726885
What the fuck are you talking about? I've never in my life owned a CRT monitor with a fixed refresh rate.
26521a No.14730474
>>14719157
I've seen some old pictures that shows Plasma screens displaying 240p properly. Haven't seen them in a while but if you can, show me how it looks running a 240p system I'd really like to see it.
8bcb67 No.14730476
>>14712532
Flat. Less problems with overscan.
13011f No.14730489
>>14730431
Consumer TVs have a fixed refresh rate. Unless he means the horizontal scan
b37da4 No.14730532
>>14730489
Yeah but we're talking about monitors here.
26521a No.14730548
>>14730532
I have some very old ones from the 80s that have a locked refresh rate but by the 90s once the VGA standard kicked in monitor manufacturers were trying to one up each other constantly.
5c1cc0 No.14731345
>>14730474
is playstation 1 240p? my plasma is a 1080p but im lucky enough that it has svideo input. It makes it look not half bad.
ed0864 No.14731394
>>14731345
Playstation 1 has games ranging from 224p to 480i
Older 3D games (from 94/95) are very likely to display at 240, give those a try
cc0b05 No.14731404
>>14731345
>is playstation 1 240p?
240p and 480i.
cda8c8 No.14732396
>>14719225
I actually remember playing through quite a few N64 games on a tiny old RCA colour security monitor as a kid. It certainly isn't ideal in comparison to a larger screen, but I remember it being manageable. Probably would hate the thing with my eyes today, but I can see it working for titles from small-screen, low-res portables…
26521a No.14732408
>>14731394
the signal is still 240p even if it renders at 224p. 240p itself being a 480i trick possible with the way you can control the horizontal blank on a CRT through its signal.
13011f No.14734474
>>14732408
Specifically, the excess lines of resolution are usually just blank, a miniscule letterboxing effect
729505 No.14737757
>>14726894
>consumer grade CRT
No fucking shit retard
51b6f3 No.14739824
>>14712910
That's always been like 90% of these threads. Is there even much point anymore?
>>14726885
>>14726894
None of my shitty consumer grade monitors had fixed refresh rates.
>>14713626
>The only reason to use CRT is for games with a lot of dithering
That and for "scaling" low resolution games better. i've tried setting mine to 640x480 for old youtube videos too and it actually looked pretty nice
13011f No.14739934
>>14739824
Makes watching streaming pirated anime at shitty quality somewhat bearable. Does a fantastic job of smoothing over the compression.
b3e53c No.14740073
>>14726851
With it being bigger than a Gameboy screen I don't see how it would be useless for playing Gameboy games nor how it would be anything but an improvement to a Gameboy screen, but obviously this is why I'm here asking about it. Any information you have I will gladly read into
>>14732396
>I can see it working for titles from small-screen, low-res portables
That's the goal. I am not a fan of blowing up portable games to screens that are many times larger than the portable screen itself.
13011f No.14740107
>>14740073
The main issue is a 4" CRT isn't going to have good color accuracy or sharpness due to how crowded the shadowmask/aperture grille will be. I'm not saying you gotta go full tilt 32", but running them on a small 14" looks just fine, and is perfectly comfy when kicking back.
b3e53c No.14740214
>>14740107
What about a 4" monochrome CRT?
I hadn't considered
>crowded the shadowmask/aperture grille
at all, thank you
655e1d No.14740256
We are all talking about CRTs, LCDs and LEDs, but what about Plasma tellies? What are good about them?
13011f No.14740265
>>14740214
I mean if all you want to play on it is original GB games, I suppose you could. Seems a waste though. Most of the image deterioration in small color CRTs is due to the dot pitch being too large to properly render the image. For color, I'd go no smaller than 8" for 240p/480i, with 14" being a good ideal for a desk unit.
655e1d No.14740320
>People still manufacture vinyl players for hipsters.
>CRTs are not being manufactured anymore.
Why is life so hard? Why do the faggot hipsters have to get what they want, but we can't?
970f0a No.14740332
>>14740320
Because making a vinyl player doesn't involve much playing around with nearly as many toxic materials.
cbac20 No.14740363
I need to figure out how to get convergence lines in mine. I missed with the settings and of coruse I think I fucked them up
655e1d No.14740369
>>14740332
Then just wear fucking equipment you nigger. There are millions of workers worldwide who still do dangerous works anyways, like mining and fishing for lobsters, so why not making CRTs? I bet that if they put effort into it, they could get some sick modernized CRTs with both an acceptable quality and price.
13011f No.14740372
>>14740320
A record player is some of the most basic tech we have. YOu can literally play a record with a rolled up Canadian dollar bill. It's just a needle measuring a waveform cut into some plastic, and an amplifier to boost the signal.
A CRT is an electron gun, a big glass tube full of literal nothing, a finely manufactured mask, with carefully inlaid phosphorous. It's pretty fucking involved.
2414c4 No.14740387
>>14740372
Plus, hipsters are easier to market to.
6f296d No.14740405
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
>>14740387
That song will never get old.
655e1d No.14740464
Lads, what about TFT screens?
15e8d0 No.14743147
>>14740369
>fishing for lobsters
Alright anon, tell us about lobster fishing and how long you been doing it.
26521a No.14743164
>>14740369
CRTs stopped being manufactured because of shipping. In the space you could ship one 32" CRT set you can ship 8 42" LCD sets. More if you're leaving assembly for the destination.
>>14740464
sure, I like the GBA.
224ae3 No.14743171
>>14740369
People need mining resources and lobsters, but they don't need CRTs so no one is going to die 30 years too early. Do you also own nixie tubes for your voltmeter and use vacuum cathodes as transistors?
7db931 No.14743183
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>>14740464
TFT screens are nice, but the lack of a backlight kills them in most situations.
I just hope commercial adoption of microLEDs and SEDs will finally bring forth the age of heterosexual self-illuminating flat panel display technology that man has always yearned for.
655e1d No.14744358
>>14743147
Never done it, but I heard that many men actually die on the job. Seems to be dangerous.