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Also new level transitions of normal mode that got leaked a few days ago.

WHY CAN'T I POST SHIT FUCKING SHITTY INTERNET

>>14690087

New characters?

>>14690116

I wonder if anyone at sega got in trouble for dropping some of the dlc early on the PS4.

>>14690116

>WHY CAN'T I POST

Because the site knows you are a faggot.

>>14690144

There's possibly new level design as well but we don't know yet.

>>14690174

Someone said that Ray & Mighty do have some different bosses. I won't spoil.

>>14690116

Transitions still look weird, but they did their best given sega's autism about stages.

>>14690433

>>Saves second image straight from Google image search.

Why would you expect someone to have that image on hand?

>>14690087

Will it remove Denuvo on PC version?

>>14690174

Honestly, I hope they will remake Hydrocity act 2, it's too similar to the original from Sonic 3 and the whole zone looked like afterthought. I liked what they did with Flying Battery, mixing it up with Wing Fortress for act 2, maybe they can add some stuff from Aquatic Ruin to Hydrocity as well.

>playable angel island

FUCK YES

>>14690116

>Metal Sonic turning into a mix between his Kai form and the Great Eggman Robo's second phase

So that's three of the original trilogy final bosses in Sonic Mania. Big Arm rematch when?

>>14690337

Is it Mighty and Ray in the left? Maybe encore mode is tag team mode?

>>14690465

>Uses Google

>Does not check where images are coming from.

>Downloads Cuckchan images.

People should always have a basic standard of hygiene Anon.

>>14690536

>Implying it matters

I hate cuckchan as much as the next guy, but being paranoid over images just hurts the thread.

What boss was changed, and how?

And more importantly- why?

I never heard of any of the bosses being dull or bullshit.

>>14690433

I used ixquick you fucking tard. download.jpeg and serveimage.jpg are both from the site. Second image did NOT come from cuckchan, by the way. It was Jewtube.

>>14690621

>Jewtube

…….

>>14690668

>What is saving the thumbnail

>>14690097

more.

>>14690705

>Calling dots a gay name.

Anon c'mon man.

bump

>>14690579

Autism hurts everyone

Next time, ignore autism posters.

>>14690116

This is looking good so far. I am so glad that i didn't buy the original download version and can spend the money on the definitive version instead.

>>14695443

They don't want to. the last one they did was Billy Hatcher.

New trailer

>Ray ability is Mario Cape from SMW

>>14695646

>Ray's ability is the Cape from SMW

Well if Nintendo refuses to bring it back SEGA will gladly take it.

>>14695646

even the physics look straight up lifted from smw.

>>14695646

>>14695663

>>14695725

i was expecting ripping off the flying squirrel suit, which would have been like knuckles' gliding with a single mid-air jump but without climbing.

this is cool too, though.

>>14695742

you forgot Super Mario Maker

>>14695646

His design is still shit but I want that fucking cape ability back.

>Knuckles and Mighty laughing together

That's cute.

>>14695808

Oh shoot, I haven't checked on Mario Maker for a long time.

Apparently if you already own Sonic Mania it's $5 to upgrade to Plus.

http://archive.fo/vU7Yy

>>14695646

>not posting hooktube

I'm in a good mood this morning, so I'll let it slide.

>>14695742

>e-reader cards

I used to be autistic about collecting those, sucks that the US never got the full set, but to any anons all the levels (even the promo ones) are on the WiiU shop release of SMA4

>>14695834

This has to be bullshit,they said during the announcement it would come free to all previous owners.

>>14695858

I think the free update is the new level transitions >>14690116, Mighty/Ray/encore mode is paid.

>>14695880

I fucking swear they said ALL content would be free,this will be a huge backlash if it's not.

So Ray is Easy mode? He just seems like an Infinite tails to me. I guess tails can go up & ray can only glide forward, but that doesn't seem too different to warrant a new character. I hope mighty can break through spikes & other unbreakable objects. That would be interesting.

>>14695858

>>14695899

I'm looking through the SXSW panel that announced it to confirm, and here's what was said (around the 20:00 mark).

>"And for those who already bought Sonic Mania digitally (…) you'll also be able to get all the updates to the gameplay that we're putting into the game through a digital update. It's gonna happen at the same time as the release of the package version, and we'll talk more about the pricing a little bit later."

>>14695934

Forgot embed when trying to get Captcha to work correctly.

>>14695934

>>14695945

God dammit, that's the wrong webm. Bully me, I probably deserve it.

>>14695906

By the looks of it you need momentum and technically he is endless Knuckles. Maybe he huffs and puffs after a while can't take it anymore just like Tails.

>>14695934

Well i guess i heard wrong then or i saw a tweet somewhere,i fucking know i saw something somewhere saying its free

>>14695475

The update is free. People that own Mania now get the Plus shit too.

>>14696014

At least I'm sure they said so.

>>14696014

>>14696032

Did you even bother to read the few posts immediately before yours?

>>14696082

Of course not.

>>14695989

Then don't listen to stupid people who think their speculations mean anything

>>14696294

Mania probably has way bigger profit margins, considering it's a 2D sprite-based game that was made in under a year with Stealth's Retro Engine while Forces took 4 years and an entirely new game engine. Also, they never even give a ballpark figure of how much Forces sold, while it's confirmed that Mania sold over a million.

http://archive.is/g3C27

>>14696353

It's also a good game, compared to the shitty 3D Sonics they keep shitting out.

>>14696353

>Mania's only over a million

Fucking pathetic.

>>14695646

I teared up just a little bit when Knuckles and Mighty reunited. It's been decades.

>>14696746

>>14696736

Mighty and the monkey are just nigger palette swaps of Sonic and Tails for games they did not want to associate them with, an average trackball arcade game and an unfinished trainwreck with really good music and sprites for a trainwreck of an addon released by a panicked Sega when the PS1 shit their bed.

>>14696760

Name one character made in the past 5 years more interesting than Mighty.

>>14696353

>Forces took 4 years and an entirely new game engine.

It's not a game engine, it's a lighting and rendering engine. Their game engine is the same from Lost World and you can tell that by how it plays similar despite trying to be a boost game.

>Also, they never even give a ballpark figure of how much Forces sold, while it's confirmed that Mania sold over a million.

They stopped including estimated sales in all their reports these days. I think Mania definitely was a better bang for their buck, but I wouldn't be surprised if Forces ends up having higher figures just by physical availability when it released.

>>14696746

That's not true. I'm sure people who liked him in the Sonic comics (which he's not allowed to be in anymore) cared about him.

>>14696870

Being better than nothing still doesn't make any good. I thought we learned this from Mighty No. 9.

>>14690406

>why didn't they include these literal nobodies that never actually appeared in a game?

>why didn't they include this character that's part of the modern cast and was already in Forces?

>why did they add characters, that have actually been in the games and haven't shown up since the classic days, to a game that's all about celebrating the classic games?

Gee, I wonder.

>>14697067

Nobody gives half a shit about ripoff the squirrel and obscure the armadillo. Classic vector and unused characters finally getting the spotlight would have at least surprised people.

>>14697147

And even less people give a shit about conceptual characters that are so irrelevant that they were turned into the little animals you free from capsules. Mighty and Ray at least stayed relevant through the Archie comics, and they got those wanted posters in Generations, along with Fang, Bean, and Bark (there's a pattern, hint hint). Asking for Sonic's imaginary band members is like asking for Madonna.

>>14697217

>Ray has the least amount of autistic fans

>>14696729

How much more did Forces cost to make than Mania though? Overall profitability is an important factor.

>>14696760

I'm more inclined to think Ray was more like an early version of Tails that evolved along his own path. SegaSonic the Hedgehog certainly feels like it was in development before Sonic 2's release, same as Sonic CD was. It seems to take all its influence from Sonic 1 and none from Sonic 2.

Mighty was swapped in for Sonic once they decided they didn't want him in Chaotix, though. But that's still his second appearance. Doesn't explain him in SegaSonic.

>>14696930

Why would you think a character from the games isn't allowed to be in comics to promote those games. He's not some OC like all the guys Archie had to dump. He's not even from another adaptation like the SatAM characters. He's a game character who is about to be in a new game.

>>14697147

You raise a point that making Espio, Charmy, and Vector playable would be an obvious move. But that isn't the same as Sonic's band. That said, they should make Espio, Charmy, and Vector playable. In fact I'd prefer it over Ray, since then they would be including all the 2D characters and wouldn't have to make up a new moveset for a guy that was only in a weird spinoff game. Mighty seems to have a new moveset, too. I know his old one was nearly the same as Sonic's, even moreso than the other characters, but I hope this one doesn't stray too far.

>>14696266

I'm fairly sure it was from a big name account,possibly the official sonic one.

>>14698365

It clearly wasn't. People already posted them talking about pricing right after announcement. Your half remembered tweets don't count as much as that.

>>14698371

Yeah, recent news lists the DLC update to Plus as $5, which is $5 less than the special physical copy. You're basically paying extra for the booklet and case then.

>>14698371

I will not stand here and take this bullying

>>14698810

Agree. I'd be glad to see a Mania 2 at all though.

>>14698810

They would unironically be better than these literal nobodies.

>>14699006

Hate to agree, but I agree.

>>14698810

Shadow was pretty fun in Megamix. It could work.

>>14699006

Nah, classic characters make a lot more sense for a classic game, especially when they're refreshed material that wasn't part of the autistic shitshow that Sonic became in the previous decade.

>>14703936

It that a real game? It looks fun

>>14703936

Please yes.

>>14698356

>Why would you think a character from the games isn't allowed to be in comics to promote those games.

SEGA has officially separated Classic and Modern and characters can now be considered exclusive to one. Ian Flynn and IDW have confirmed Mighty and Ray are Classic-only characters now implying they cannot show up in IDW's Sonic comics due to it focusing on Modern Sonic.

>>14703906

>classic sonic

<not an autistic shitshow

You do know who made Mania, right?

>>14690621

>BR

FUCKING HUENIGGERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>14704306

>implying you have dirt on Christian Whitehead & Simon Thomley

story time

>>14695742

Super Mario Maker

Apparently encore mode lets you switch between the 5 characters, but they didn't announce it in the trailer.

Good game, but it is still a rom hack. and Sega tried to force denuvo and lied about it.

Pirate it. Never buy it.

>>14705050

>but it is still a rom hack

a rom hack of what? Whitehead built the retro engine from scratch and put the Sonic CD assets on top of it when he first developed it.

>>14705075

Good thing I only worship my dick.

>>14698810

I've always wanted to see this, but I would want all the 2D characters to come back first.

A lot of the newer characters would be easy to adapt because they already have moves that relate to the main three. Worst case scenario, add them as palette swaps. Shadow is Sonic, Rouge is either Knuckles or Tails, Cream is Tails.

That said, do the Chaotix first. They're already made. Just put them in a new game with their old moves. Fang, Bean, and Bark would be interesting, too, though, like Ray, they've never been playable in a platformer. And if we're counting those guys, then technically Metal Sonic and Eggman were playable in the same games as them (at least in Drift, if we're not counting the rerelease of Fighters). Issue here is you'd really have to get creative with their movesets. Metal Sonic can just be another Sonic, and maybe Bark can work a little like Knuckles or something, but Fang and Bean are all about projectiles and explosives, which are pretty different from any established character.

Amy can come, too, with something resembling her moveset from Advance, but with the Classic design.

>>14703906

The last decade has introduced practically no new characters. You realize Unleashed came out 10 years ago, right?

>>14704135

Source? Why are Tails and Knuckles in both? Not to mention Eggman, Amy, Metal Sonic, and Sonic himself. If anything I could believe they were asked to not touch Mighty and Ray due to them being in a new game soon and Sega wanting them to not do anything that will contradict their new use, but I'm sure after that they'll be fair game. This is a promotional tie in comic, Sega surely wants them to promote their stuff.

>>14705050

>"buying" downloads

The reason to not buy it is because you can't buy it, you were only renting it from (((Steam))). I'll get the physical edition because then I can actually own it.

>but that's technically still a physical license! Consoles are just DRM machines!

I'll wait for Yuji Naka to kick my door in and take away my copy of Sonic Mania +. Or I can just choose to sell it if I get really scared of getting raided by SEGA so they can terminate their "license."

>>14706018

>I'll wait for Yuji Naka to kick my door in and take away my copy of Sonic Mania +. Or I can just choose to sell it if I get really scared of getting raided by SEGA so they can terminate their "license."

This pretty much, they know that removing physical copies from EVERYONE is going to be stupidly impossible, hence the major push for the all-digital only future.

>>14706618

>hence the major push for the all-digital only future.

That will never work because all the game devs would then be forced to optimize their games again least many of their customers be unable to download their 100 GB+ bloatware titles.

Does the PC version still have denuvo?

>>14706711

Yes I am aware that I could just pirate it, that's not what I am asking.

>>14706711

>>14706718

>Does the PC version still have denuvo

At the moment, yes. No idea if the upcoming patch will remove it like with nu-Doom, and SEGA has had more than enough time consider the backlash from when that was confirmed, but somehow I doubt it.

>>14690087

Not even an addon done by the devs. DLC was outsourced to some other company.

>>14706618

Technically the push for an all digital future is more a result of literally decades of copyright law abuse concerning software. The only real change is with the new age that they can control the operations of hardware they sell remotely can get away with the already technically illegal abuse of the copyright law that, realistically they only get away with because they've never been sued federally, and the federal court doesn't realistically give enough of a shit to actually legalistically pummel the shit out of California.

>>14704753

There isn't really dirt to be had on either that I know of. Simon "Stealth" Thomley was an infamous sperg at one point but it was mostly garden variety e-vanity shit. Both were fairly respected in that niche long before Headcannon.

>>14695808

>>14704790

NO

SLOPES

>>14706776

The addon is being handled by Hyperkinetic Studios. Supposedly the Mania devs are on another project now.

>>14706859

Don't be silly, they're in Super Mario Maker Plus.

>>14706018

>Source?

https://twitter.com/IanFlynnBKC/status/978062530923737088

Unfortunately video of the panel itself seems to be gone because no one saved the twitch vod, but here's someone else who wrote up on it as well.

https://sonicsourceblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/26/wondercon-2018-sonic-town-hall/

>Why are Tails and Knuckles in both? Not to mention Eggman, Amy, Metal Sonic, and Sonic himself.

Because they are also Modern characters? I'm pretty sure Modern Sonic and Classic Sonic are considered two different characters at this point. And the same would presumably go for the rest of the cast that appears in both the classic and modern games. It's not just a design change anymore.

>If anything I could believe they were asked to not touch Mighty and Ray due to them being in a new game soon and Sega wanting them to not do anything that will contradict their new use, but I'm sure after that they'll be fair game. This is a promotional tie in comic, Sega surely wants them to promote their stuff.

SEGA can always change their minds, they have in the past, but this also appears to be a recent change as it contradicts what they said at Comic-Con not long ago with any game character being available to them.

>>14706808

>no source or archive to back up your claim

>>14706782

>See this post

>Immediately know what he was talking about without context

Sigh

>>14706913

> spoonfeed you

no

>>14706950

Backing up your claims with actual evidence is not spoonfeeding. All you've stated, so far, is unsourced bullshit that no one has any reason to believe. It's the person who makes the statement that claims the burden of proof.

>>14696621

Well, inserting denuvo on it certainly doesn't help.

>>14707065

Neither did delaying the PC release shortly before it was supposed to launch, while giving away a game, that everyone and their mother already has, that ended up screwing over people from potentially getting an automatic refund.

>>14707064

I'm sorry that you are too retarded to use a search engine and read, anon. It isn't my problem.

>>14706893

Really a weird decision. Obviously Modern Sonic experienced the pre-Adventure games in his timeline, Adventure is built upon that. It's a shame that they're trying to do a more game-like adaptation this time but aren't allowed to reference stuff that only happened in the oldest games. Of course I should know better than to expect the people at current Sega to have even played the pre-Unleashed games and realize that they referenced the pre-Adventure games as part of their backstory all the time.

Of course they probably never thought it through that much and just figured they want to make more use of those characters soon and don't want the comic to use them badly, and they have good reason to not trust American comics with their characters, but it's still retarded.

The problem is just that it will be annoying when people online act as if this changes the "canon" when the actual games are quite clear that all those games are canon to Modern Sonic.

>>14707065

They barely care about Windows sales in the first place, especially since this is a japanese company. They also figure people butthurt about Denuvo never would have actually paid for it anyway, so they doubly don't give a shit. Call them retarded if you want, but you know this is their thought process.

>>14707080

It wouldn't have sold much on PC anyway.

>>14712055

I just want Mania 2 with 100% new levels.

>>14720052

this

>>14720109

>I heard mania had it, but fucking locked it behind a cheatcode that disables your ability to save the game, like it's some godsend game breaker.

I dunno why they did that with the extra abilities. I would have preferred insta-shield rather than that useless drop dash.

Episode 2 came out today.

>>14720109

>>14720123

>Does this add on allow you to use it without it basically rendering the game into a non-progress state?

The leaked 1.04 patch did so, along with allowing for the other 'No Save' features like the Knuckles & Knuckles mode and the Insta-Shield as well as adding in Metal Sonic Kai, zone transitions, and fixing the resolution in Competition mode. The fact this was part of the patch and has nothing relating to the Plus content beyond the menu option leads me to believe it's not locked behind a paywall either. I have not confirmed whether or not Debug Mode is allowed on actual save files now, as I don't own the PS4 version.

>>14720084

Archive.is/N4EJ7

There's one at least not working on 'Mania 2', if there will be one after Mania Plus. One of the Co programmers, Stealth has Mania Plus listed on his company website for Headcannon, so he's still around Sega with Whitehead for that at least. Nintendo mostly nabbed other artists from the main Sonic Team but only one programmer for games like Odyssey and Xenoblade Chronicles 2, although Oshima and Yasuhara (original character and level designers/directors for THE Genesis games and CD) are there too. Naka and Hashimoto are with Square Enix currently and DIMPS who are comprised of exSNK staff haven't worked on a Sonic game since Lost World

>>14720150

>Not Found (yet?)

You sure you formatted that right, Anon?

>>14720150

http://archive.is/N4EJU

Fucked up the link but here it is

>>14720109

There are mods that do that, I'm sure.

>>14705061

>>14705494

It plays exactly as an old Sonic game, and for the most part, looks like one of the old games. Which is great. And which makes it the same as a rom hack.

>>14705086

Denuvo will always be exposed as the shit DRM and PC frying trojan that it is. All games containing denuvo must be avoided BECAUSE of denuvo, until they can pirated.

Your corporate shilling will never work.

>>14706018

Piracy always find a way eventually. Wait for piracy. Never buy games with denuvo.

>>14720721

Post "2.png".

>>14720109

Yes, the patch has it without needing Plus

>>14723453

The $5 DLC seems to only include playing through as Mighty & Ray as well as the Encore levels, unless there's something else included.

>>14690097

they're right you know

>>14720052

I would have bought it on PC if not for Denuvo.

>Playable metal sonic with unique moveset fucking never

>>14690087

Nice.

>>14706782

>>14706859

S-surely it'll be in Super Mario Maker Switch!!!

Mario Maker actually has slopes, in Super Smash Bros. 4 :^)