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>He trusted Blizzard

Blizzcucks should all be genocided

I'm fucking tired.

God. When this threads falls off the catalog I'm gonna make a thread about SC2 and its downfall because it deserves to be talked about

>>14687095

>a share of the sales will go to its creator

>a share

Imagine being that dumb goy. You put all the work into it yourself and blizzard just takes it, sells it, says it'll toss a meager amount back at you to avoid legal troubles, and you agree. So pathetic.

Let's see how paid mods 2: the sequel works out for blizzard

>>14687125

It's like prepping the bull just for that dusty nut at the end.

>Blizzard is trying to pull a TF2 by making their game F2P and then selling "premium" content

They kind of missed the ball with this one. I can't be sure since I can't find any numbers on the player count of SC2 right now, but I imagine it is much less than when this game was still new and had a lot of the top koreans playing it.

>>14687149

yeah its pretty much dead already, they're just trying to milk/harvest what they can from its corpse before it rots

It took them 8 years to finally start getting people to care about custom maps. Holy shit.

>>14687195

Get some caps and post them you disgusting faggot

>>14687195

redditors need their faces melted slowly with a hot needle.

>>14687195

Dear god I know bilzzardfags are retarded but have these fuckers not seen the shit bethesda pulled? They literally WILL eat up anything bilzzard shits out won't they. Anyone got the numbers on just what cut these guys will get? I'm not nearly drunk enough for wading into it myself right now and I need that liquor to last me longer than tonight. Betting it's 5% of a $4.99.

Seriously that is some good hooch and I'm not wasting it on this just to stay sane.

>>14687260

They know apparently, see the 4th pic of

>>14687253

>Yeah the salt is already pouring in

>I'll buy both just to support them!

>Just hope it works out and doesn't have too big a backlash like some game's attempts to make people pay for mods has

that fucker knows exactly what Bethesda did.

>>14687260

> have these fuckers not seen the shit bethesda pulled?

Most Blizzdrones literally play nothing but Blizzard games so this is entirely possible.

Oy vey! Don't you goyim want some paid mods premium content?

>>14687266

Yeah I'm too sober for this shit. Far too sober. If he's not a fucking plant to shill it they are literally beyond redemption.

>>14687278

Trend setting. the lords of shit are trying to make it seem hip and trendy to turn modders and mapmakers or whatever else there is on the scene into sweatshop workers being paid pennies for working their asses off. And make them LIKE IT.

>>14687277

At least you tried anon. Not surprised though, people tend to circlejerk with ubvoats which is why I hate it with a passion. All they had to do was shill their craptastic map thats basic as fuck and muscle out anyone trying something new or inventive. And then just get to be kings of the shitheap and send their retarded fans after anyone they think is shit or a threat to their status as shitking.

>>14687301

>blizzard is providing the tools which you pay for so they deserve a cut

So if a carpenter is paid to build a house the manufacturer who made the tools deserves 70-90% of his profits? Flawless blizcuck logic as always.

Reminder that we are at this point because modders won't combine forces and make their own games. Network and share ideas and come up with a plan. Diablo in space, it isn't hard to make money. Stop being lazy and self absorbed creative content creators easily used as useful idiots.

>>14687195

Your post made me remember a conversation I had with a Blizzcuck friend about the Reddit fag who swapped a CD with Starcraft's Source Code for some Itchy & Scratchy money to use at Blizzcon. When I told him about the fiasco, he responded "I would've done the same, I woudn't know what to do with the source code". I wanted to punch his face so bad.

sorry for the blogpost

>>14687278

>you can't kil something that doesn't exist

Starcraft 2's custom mapping scene was actually pretty robust. Its still chugging, though its nowhere near as strong as it was from 2010-2014. Though incredible things are still being created from these fuckers. Unfortunately, Blizzard killed off the playerbase as a whole and screwed the scene up multiple times so while there's still great content coming out, there's a dwindling amount of people who'll even play them, which is perhaps the most tragic thing out of all this.

>>14687071

>premium map

>featureless empty field

why?

>>14687348

I've actually thought about building a modding engine/game based on the WC3 custom gaming model. No story mode, just a game engine that comes with ready-made assets, decentralized distribution, a very powerful and robust (yet intuitive to use) map editor, online platform with less latency than bnet had. I want to recreate the glory days of WC3 custom gaming, but keep that going for as long as possible. I want to have kids and give them the same kind of joy I had growing up on SC1 and WC3.

Fun belongs in the hands of the community, not gatekeepers.

>>14687277 (checked)

also this, the popularity system ends up supporting the same old remakes which to their credit are being played for a reason, they were fun but its a shit situation

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you anon.

In my opinion the greatest casualty of SC2's mapping scene dying out was Smashcraft. That was something fucking else. A fucking fighting-style arena game with custom everything, it was so fucking smooth and mind-blowingly amazing to me.

Fuck I miss it

>>14687348

I'm convinced for every actual modder there's at least 3 shills working to sabotage and control the scene. Shit's 100% astroturf at this point especially if it's for an officially supported game.

>>14687152

Burning is to good for this world.

>>14687071

>a share

good mapmakers can just make a patreon. This is stupid and I hope it fails.

>>14687809

>good mapmakers can just make a patreon.

I figured that was grounds for termination.

>>14687822

coercing your base into having you as a middleman is the surest way to lose in the long term.

>>14687809

>good mapmakers can just make a patreon

Blizzard bans all of that "support moders" shit. just like every other company.

>>14687383

Man, you are fucking genius to figure that out.

On related note, diablo 3 was always f2p in China.

>>14687359

What do you expect from gookclick simulator?

>>14687831

I dont see how blizzard can lose in a world with billion gooks and a few million drones.

acti-blizz has been making their games in to services for a long time now. only the goodest of goys supports them in any way

>>14687840

>Blizzard bans all of that "support moders" shit. just like every other company.

Other companies do that? Why!? That's so retarded. They should be happy and grateful about it.

>I dont see how blizzard can lose in a world with billion gooks and a few million drones.

Give it time.

>>14687277

>So most of the good mapmakers just shrugged, gave Blizzard the middle finger, and went elsewhere.

Where though? There's nowhere else for them to go. I imagine they just quit entirely if they weren't sucked into some elder scrolls or minecraft modding scene instead.

>>14687852

>Why

Imagine if someone walks past jew and gives money to someone else. Jew feels like its holocaust all over again! Just because modders make games enormously more popular does not mean that developers will allow them to make more than 1/5 of money people would donate to them.

>>14687864

Dota 2 support everything wc3 supported before.

And some of them make standalone games, just like dota 2.

>>14687071

>when you purchase them, a share of the sales will go directly to the developers who made them.

Wow, money going to the people who do the work, based blizzard.

>>14688011

>How would modding scene exist without paid mods?!

I dont know how to talk with these people.

Oh come now. They tried that sort of crap directly at launch via the market place, and it bombed spectacularly. Do people never learn?

>>14688011

>the promise of pay for their work (and that's what it is, work) brings development talent to the arcade which means better quality stuff. Simple as that

THESE FUCKING RETARDS WOULDN'T KNOW "QUALITY" IF IT FUCKING JAMMED IT SELF UP THEIR SHRIVELED SOYBOY COCKS

Here is a promo for smashcraft, the custom map I mentioned earlier. This promo was made in 2011 and for fucking free, and it puts the official promotional material by Blizzard for this tech demo-tier trailer in the OP to shame

>>14688077

>pay brings quality

If anyone brings this shit up, remind them of the absolute dogshit that costs money on Todd's creation club, or the stuff that was on Skyrimjob's paid workshop while it was up.

>>14688108

Best example is android market. Cant wait for built in advertisements in AAA games.

>>14688116

Didn't one of the free magic mods for Skyrimjob have an ad built in for the paid version?

>>14688121

Yeah, if memory serves, the free version of Midas Magic had a 25% chance when you cast a spell for a popup ad for the paid version to appear.

I never messed with it in Skyrim, but there was a Midas Magic mod for Oblivion. I tried using it back in the day, and just enabling it noticeably dropped my FPS. I ditched it pretty quickly.

They're still updating starcraft 2? I thought they canned it and moved the team to their shitty Assfaggot

>>14687071

If these retards want to support the modders, why don't they pay them using a PayPal.

>>14688264

At this point they just had a spare intern mock-up a button to give actiblizz money through the custom lobby system.

>>14688557

Redditors are symptomatic of the brand culture that has been established in the west.

They don't follow quality or merit, they follow brands that have built goodwill and have the appearance or a past of quality.

Blizzard is a prime example of this. There are unironically people who still think Blizzard is a great company, and they got this way purely because of how much goodwill Blizzard has created over time in their small stages to growth. These redditors think of Blizzard like family at this point because of the games they used to make, or because of people telling them about the games they used to make, and at some point, brand name became more important than the actual quality and the truth of what was really going on.

Blizzard is very much not the same company that it was in 1995, 2003, 2008, or even fucking 2011-2013, but these redditors don't fucking know that and if they did, they wouldn't wanna believe it.

Its a lot easier accepting evil when its given to you by someone you think to be a good man, that's part of the problem.

You can blame redditors, but only half the blame is with them, the other half of the blame goes to the corporations that exploit them, and exploit their brand power much like Blizzard does.

and in fact, at least in our olden days we were to blame for hyping Blizzard up so much; even if we didn't know what we were doing, we were building Blizzard's brand. This is what company fanboyism does, unfortunately. Reward a company for their works and acknowledge them, but make sure that you take note of the people behind the games, not just faces like metzen or branding like Blizzard, but the actual hard-working fags who made that game. I can nearly guarantee none of the original coders and programmers, and other people who generally go unacknowledged for their work outside of the credit mentions haven't been anywhere near Blizzard for a long, long time

>>14687071

They haven't really learned, and it's not like it's Blizztard's fault for the mapping community languishing because of the always-online bullshit and how they treated map makers when Arcade was out for WoL.

>>14688738

Oh, and it's just a coincidence that they removed the comment section for all their announcement blogs while having their hotpockets in their blizzdrone forums downboat wrongthink.

I posted the following comment on Reddit's post full of shills:

"Paid mods for SC2. Blizzard's greed really knows no bounds. This is something everyone should be against, because it's only going to tear the modding community between those who are in it for the money, and those who are actually in it for the passion of making quality content in SC2, the latter of those being the actual purpose of modding.

This will also tear the playerbase between those who "play premium" and those who don't, and will restrict the available options people have to play, because now you can't just play every map you have in front of you. Not only that, but it'll also start giving people buyer's remorse if they pay into a map they don't like.

Finally, Bethesda tried this shit with the Skyrim paid mods, and then the disaster that was the Creation Club, and the modding community suffered a lot from it. Do we really want this to happen to the already suffering SC2 modding community!?"

Guess the number of downboats.

>>14689473

>Guess the number of downboats.

Before I deleted it, I mean.

>>14689473

6 gorrilion and

PAID MOD WORKS, MODDERS NEED MONEY FOR THEIR HARD WORK

>>14687071

>and a share of the sales will go to its creator

:^)

>>14687104

>>14687225

This.

Stop paying them. Pirate everything, and what you can't pirate, abandon. Make others do the same, and shitty companies like Blizzard will be brought down.

>>14687195

That is why you must pirate everything and never pay for games.

I will never not be mad at them for completely killing custom games forever, them and fucking Valve for dropping the ball so god damn hard on Dota 2 custom maps.

Reminder that Warcraft 3 released a patch two weeks ago that raises the player limit from 12 to 24.

The only reason there is to bother with Starcraft 2 mods is that Starcraft 2 arcade is free to play.

>>14687115

Please do.

I haven't kept track of SC2 at all since I lost interest when they found out they fucked up modding.

>>14687149

It was known before launch that paid mods would be a thing before launch. The modding community just never really grew anywhere near the size of WC3's.

>>14687887

>Dota 2 support everything wc3 supported before.

I don't think you've kept up with that. Although Dota 2 does allow you to make mods for the game and script everything how you want it; the reality is that every major patch in Dota introduces fundamental changes to gameplay mechanics, breaking most, if not all maps, in the process.

That's ignoring the fact that mods in general constantly break because Valve is just incredibly incompetent with keeping things functioning consistently. Those expensive cosmetics from lootboxes? Most of them don't have functioning particles anymore a year later.

Valve actually had a contest at the end of last year. Unfortunately, 7.07 dropped three weeks before the deadline breaking fucking everything; with zero warning to modders. People bitch and complain, and the only answers and information Valve puts out about rules or delays are given to individuals in correspondence, never in a public announcement.

Dota is the worst fucking thing to mod in. There's a patch every few month recently changed to every 2 weeks with often fundamental changes that break custom maps, and there's no way to install older versions of the game unless you just so happen to have a copy of it lying around. It's not at all comparable to Warcraft 3 or other games where you can simply install the version that actually fucking works with your mod in question and play with some friends over LAN/alternatives.

>>14689600

Yeah, Dota 2 custom games were just a cheap ploy by valve to see if they can create a cash cow that way - probably turned out to be too resource intensive to maintain and just phoned it in.

>>14689606

They did actually monetize them though. For specific custom games, you can buy a custom game pass for a few bucks that lasted 30 days. The developer gets a part of the money, and can adjust the gameplay experience(tm) for pass owners as he pleases.

https://www.dota2.com/customgamepassfaq

Too bad it immediately resulted in a shit storm due to many custom games selling passes whilst being filled with copyrighted content from other games.

I think Valve mostly stopped giving a shit about modding simply because they didn't actually think through how mods should behave with different Dota versions. That issue resulted in the modding community dying completely since people don't want to waste hours every patch fixing whatever stupid bullshit Valve fucked up this time, killing development on any custom that isn't "dota but with minor changes".

>>14687960

Jokes on you faggot, I don't like anything.

>>14688716

It isn't even brand. Blizzard tries to push themselves as relatable on levels that would make "how do you do fellow kids" seem believable. What do you think all the endless pop culture references and fan question press conferences are for?

>>14687195

As expected of reddit.

>>14689473

>I posted something on plebbit and got downboated

Why don't you do us a favor and stay there?

>>14687195

It's reddit, the way the shit site works is a wet dream for shills and certain (((other))) groups. One can study that shithole and learn exactly how to manipulate normalfags into doing anything, hell if the mods wanted to they could get them to like moonman

blizzard is pure cancer. Removed every single of their programs from my pc ages ago. Never giving them a cent.

>>14687195

Reddit is filled with retards, as always. And the starcraft sub is filled with insane fanboys. It's unsurprising given reddit's built-in circlejerk mechanics. It's the paid mods fiasco all over again.

>>14687260

They're in favor of the retardation, unsurprisingly. Bethesdatards were out in force attempting to defend paids mods too, but the trouble is that there were too many Skyrim players who were horrified at the thought of paying money for their 100+ installed mods who gave them shit and too many regular gamers who weren't cumslurping fanboys gave them a ton of shit for this industry cancer. Starcraft 2 has already alienated most gamers aside from the fanboys and the self-contained nature of custom mapping means you don't have tards worried about their elaborate mod setups costing $$$.

>>14689924

I figured the biggest reasons paid mods didn't work for Bethesda was because most things were either copyright infringing or porn, they were originally hosted elsewhere leading to people stealing mods to upload on Bethesda's database and the whole thing was a shitshow on consoles. Starcraft 2 doesn't seem to have any of these "problems".

>>14689936

Also because Bethesda mods steal from each other liberally, to the point of directly including one modder's work in another person's mod. And that's all well and good until you start asking money for all your "hard work" at which stage you become some serious fucking profiteering cancer.

>>14689962

Paid mods will turn into Hunt down the Freeman

Everything that's bad is bound to get even worse.

>>14688557

>Why are redditors such terrible consumers?

What kind of person is attracted to the good-boy points environment of reddit as opposed to the faceless hate/truth of chans? The people most susceptible to Tavistock techniques. Also, there are videos out there about how marketers buy influence in reddit communities. So you have the people most likely to be swayed by Tavistock voluntarily congregating in places confirmed to be run by professional influencers. After a point it is like that 5 monkeys thought experiment where the monkeys police each other without knowing why. The redditor internalizes it all until they live by one law: "wherever I go, I must cuck".

>Why do they agitate for more mistreatment of consumers and for bringing down the quality of the product they get?

A perfect description of nu/pol/ aka reddit tbh. Mindless drones with a brand that hates them.

>>14688011

>a soyboy with the username memefreghista

absolutely disgusting

>>14689962

Addendum: One of the major mod concerns was that paid mods would destroy the cooperation in the modding scene because no one would want to make a free mod for anyone to use if some dubious bastard would steal your shit and ask money for it.

>>14689968

Took a quick look at it. I think "hunt down the freeman" is still more effort than you will witness in paid mods. If you want to use premium maps as your cash cow you're just going to produce some seriously low effort shit.

>>14688557

>Why are redditors such terrible consumers? Why do they agitate for more mistreatment of consumers and for bringing down the quality of the product they get?

Because they are mindlessly into dick-sucking developers and they believe it's important to be "positive" about new developments, if only to keep the haters away. Reddit is extremely pro-circlejerk once you start getting a hardon for upvotes, visibility, and reddit gold. Also because a lot of these idiots were raised on awful industry practices and don't even understand why it's cancer and will just get buttmad when you point out how this ruins shit.

>Why are the consumer whores the most anti-consumer insects on the planet?

Because consumer whores will mindlessly consume. Also because in sites like reddit you get communityfags who care a lot about their identity as a community member and thus circlejerk it up for the mutual egostroking and praise the game makers. People like this are more invested in their identity as a fan and the validation they receive from other fans than they are actually motivated by sincere consumer concerns and interests. Naturally, they will be very hostile to anyone pointing out they or the developers are retarded.

>>14688716

>Redditors are symptomatic of the brand culture that has been established in the west.

>They don't follow quality or merit, they follow brands that have built goodwill and have the appearance or a past of quality.

This. Completely this.

>Blizzard is a prime example of this. There are unironically people who still think Blizzard is a great company, and they got this way purely because of how much goodwill Blizzard has created over time in their small stages to growth. These redditors think of Blizzard like family at this point because of the games they used to make, or because of people telling them about the games they used to make, and at some point, brand name became more important than the actual quality and the truth of what was really going on.

No, this much is wrong. New!Blizzard is not at all the same company as Old!Blizzard and for every idiot that pretends to be a long-term diehard Blizzard fan there are at least 5 people who actually played the old games and want nothing to do with modern Blizzard. You're dealing with the wave of World of Warcraft fans who never understood what made a good game to begin with who will insouciantly cheerlead any new casual trash that Blizzard produces as being good for them and then because that "fan" identity apparently means a lot to them, will pretend to have played all the old games (they might've even bought one or two, without ever understanding or spending much time on them) and been a long-time fan and insist that this is just good old Blizzard at its finest. Nevermind that gaming culture was extremely different back in the 90s from the shit that's happening today and by rights if you were part of that gaming culture it's really unlikely you'd be acting as part of the cumslurping whore circlejerk culture you are presently wrapped up in. There were always fanboys, but back in the day they would get shouted down and ridiculed and get buttmad why they don't get respect for being a mindless consumer whore and telling people off for criticizing their favorite company.

Then again there were a lot of idiots on Usenet, esp. after AOL opened the floodgates. But the BBSs usually weren't as cancerous.

aw shit its spreading. I think we need to Nuke the ESA members from orbit. Only way to be sure.

>>14690158

>don't worry the creation club will get better

<it never did

>>14690107

Bohemia is planning to do this shit with arma 3 too.

>>14690194

What even happened to it? I remember the shitstorm and then silence (probably because most people similarly didn't care about it and didn't use it).

>>14687071

That'll bring in the players!

>These two high-quality premium Arcade maps each offer different kinds of experiences—and when you purchase them, a share of the sales will go directly to the developers who made them.

This sounds suspiciously like paid mods

>>14691146

>free market

>n-no you can't share what I sold you, I'm calling the cops!

(^:^)

>>14691555

It's not really a free market when you give people monopolies, and even go so far as to deny people from reselling their purchased products.

>>14691634

>What makes it a free market is the fact that people are allowed to mod other games too, so monopoly really doesn't apply here.

Am I allowed to mod other mods?

>>14691711

I could derail the discussion entirely towards that, but there is a completely different major problem that paid mods causes.

Almost every mod out there relies on other mods to actually fucking work. This is because the modding mostly relies on re-using other people's mods to get shit done.

If you look at Warcraft 3 mods, you'll find this happening everywhere.

People on modding forums make systems, abilities, models, skins & other shit you can copypaste and dump into your map.

Too lazy to go to modding forums? Just take someone else's map and mod that! There's a fuckton of versions of every popular map. Footmen, Vampirism, Wintermaul and many others end up being modified, tweaked, and sometimes given significant changes that allows people to play the game the way they like.

At it's core, modding is making something work the way YOU want it to work, and not letting other people dictate that. That is what makes the modding community go round.

Then one day, paid mods just fucking come around and shit on everybody's plate. When someone else uses your content to make a mod to his liking, it's not that big of a deal. But when someone sells your content, it's entirely different. And that's where the real issue lies.

The reason Skyrim's paid mods imploded was partly because so many of the paid mods relied upon other mods; which of course weren't seeing a cent. Valve even told the paid mods developers that they were allowed to use other people's content without asking for permission.

I can actually see the same thing happening to Starcraft 2. If Blizzard sells a map that contains content from someone else, who hasn't given explicit permission, then that mod can be DMCA'd off of the store. As much as Blizzard wants to claim their license gives them the right to do this, any court will throw their bullshit out of the window. Anyone capable of starting a suit has a good chance of making a profit too, so the odds of it happening are very high.

So to repeat the question; am I allowed to mod other mods, taking the above into consideration?

Is a company allowed to sell my poker chips without my permission? Am I allowed to sell other modders' poker chips without their permission?

What you're entering here is a legal hellhole and can in no way be compared to a "free market". Let alone an ideal one. Why the fuck would you compare it to one?

>>14691798

Pepe has a white power t-shirt, but he's green.

WTF.

>>14687125

How is that worse than the cuts Steam, Gamestop and everywhere else takes?

>>14691798

>Nothing good has ever come of DLC

Absolutely retarded stance to take.

>>14691979

>The term "free market" doesn't really deal with how businesses handle their internal markets

Then why the fuck bring it up in the first place?

I don't know whats worse. WoW shitting up its lore something fierce but still being popular enough to sustain itself or Starcraft being so fucking dead THIS is the big starcraft news for the next few years.

Remember when Blizzard made changes that pissed you off instead of just making you shake your head with how fucking boring they have become?

>>14688077

The industry itself proved many times that the contrary is what is true: that by paying for the work of enthusiasts only make their quality decline as their greed increase.

If anything, NOT PAYING at least prevents the decline of quality.

But paid enthusiasts never raised the quality of their work. It only got worse and worse.

If quality is the excuse, then to hell with paying for anything in this industry.

>>14692325

Not only that, but what people don't seem to get through their heads no matter how many times it happens is that a single, seemingly minor, bad practice can quickly lead to practices that completely shit up games. All it took was a few years to go from horse armor to selling half the game as DLC in 3 packs of $20-$30 each. God only knows what kind of hell paid mods will lead to.

i think what hit Blizzard harder than anything is the SJW cucking, particularly in esports. It's still there but the magic is kinda gone, because like every other corporation Blizzard decided to sell out. Say what you like but it was exposed during Gamergate, you had Dreamhack basically dying for good, and from then on only grew in magnitude with the 2016 US Election and whatever the fuck is going on in Korea with female supremacy cults.

The shitty corporate culture is pervasive, it's made everything be taken too seriously, they killed that element of the political incorrectness, the non-game aspects that can make things moer appealing. You know like even these days instead of unfiltered, there's the pylon show, you might as well watch paint dry. CAn't really blame anyone, because the mindset is infectious and it's hard to go back once you jettison the soul out.

>>14692434

They've been pretty cuckish for a while now. Just look at the writing for Warcraft and see how it's pretty much been "racial homogeneity bad ; multiculture good" on loop for over a decade now. And before you try to say I'm looking into it too deep they flat out use the term "conservative" as a bad word when describing one of the named druid characters whose name I can't seem to remember.

>>14692451

yeah, honestly there's a lot of content I have enjoyed over the years that has the diversity there but they've just dialed it to a level people don't want to hear anymore.

Though TBH even the actual sc2 esports, sometimes I get the feeling something funnyis going on. Like while that trial for the crazy leader was taking place there was a game between Soo and Maru, and the Maru kid just pulls off micro that seemed computer like and then the game cut off. I honestly have doubts sometimes about how legit everything is.

>>14692364

Exactly.

But this is not a case of people don't understanding. It is a case of paid shills actively trying to divert attention from the big problems that those practices WILL (not may) cause, so the companies that pay them can scam more people for more time before everything implodes.

That is why informing normalfags constantly is a must. Every single time that one of those practices is brought up, people need to be there alerting of how shitty it is and how even worse it will become.

Never repeat the mistake of ignoring those, as was done to DLC.

>>14691146

That's like saying there is nothing wrong with DLC and MTX because you're not obligated to buy it. Clearly that's not how it works for the average consumer, since even if they don't buy it they are still affected by the bad business model which deliberately seeks to upsell you garbage minute MTX just to rub extra coins together.

>>14692862

>MTX

How long have people been using this as a term? It sounds like a drug.

>>14691669

>"Is legitimate so it's good."

There are no anons ITT saying that it's outside of the law, It IS a bad move for us as consumers and for the modding community in general. The anon you're quoting didn't "defend" anything because the effects of such business practices are obvious, are proven by experience and are being mentiones a thousand times in this same fucking thread.

Seriously mate, go be "le epic trole" somewhere else

>>14692893

>giving him a (you)

Your first mistake

>>14692905

You're right, anon, it was my mistake but reading his posts it really seemed as a retard who actually believed what he was writing

Polite sage for derailment

>>14693034

Seems like you meant to respond to >>14691669, not my post. Still, you've got my attention.

>Before there was DLC, there were expansion packs, with games like Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2 opening the doors to the idea that expanding existing games was a thing people could do

Don't be an idiot. That shit was not remotely new with Warcraft 3 or Diablo 2. They sure as fuck were not "opening the doors" to the idea that expanding existing games was a possibility. We also used to call them Add-Ons back in the day. And before we had DLC, we also had game developers introduce content in their patches. Now all of that shit is held back to nickle-and-dime consumers over as more DLC.

>Paid mods are bad because it's just a slippery fucking slope that companies will eventually use to justify the complete ban of free modding for their products.

No, that's retarded. They won't ban free mods until they go full-blown MTX model, which is how Heroes of Newerth killed its own custom map scene. Very promising map editor, but once they copied LoL's F2P MTX business model they decided to hate on custom games with a vengeance and mothball that shit hard because they were worried about losing MTX sales (that was also HoN being retarded though - if they stayed at $30 but supported custom games, it would be beating out Warcraft 3 and Starcraft custom map scenes by now). When it comes to mods though, banning free mods and only keeping paid mods is completely terrible PR and will destroy your modding community which will also destroy the amount of paid mods you can sell. They wouldn't do that. The real problem with paid mods is that it floods the community with shovelware since if you were ever going to put in the effort for a proper quality game and try to make money off of that, you wouldn't be making a fucking $5 map for Starcraft 2 but make it in Unity (or, if you have actual talent, you'd write your own engine) as a stand-alone $10 game you can sell on Steam or GOG. Instead you're going to watch a bunch of greedy/needy (gotta pay that mortgage) modders look at their passion projects and start deciding they want to make money off of that shit and turn it into paid shit while locking out regular people and you're going to watch a lot of people trying to maximize the labor man-hours vs income ratio by shoveling out low-effort shit for a few bucks (Valve runs into this shit with their model of selling user-made MTX - quality efforts are drowned out by low effort shit and the HQ efforts don't sell well) and blatantly ripping off any free game shit you think you can sell (MS's Windows Store has this problem; their best-selling software was for a good while nothing more than someone slapping a dollar sign on shit like 7-zip - check out "8-zip" for proof). This in turn will piss off free modders who feel their shit is getting farmed for paid mods and they don't even get any credit for their work. In general it decays the state of mods from a state of collaboration, cooperation, and sharing to one of suspicion and hostility, you're not going to see as many free modders comfortably passing around their projects for others to take over and build upon, and you will see a marked decline in the number of free mods when free modders feel their work is not being respected, especially as the greedy corporate is more likely to side with paid mods than free mods in disputes, even if the paid mod is directly stealing free mod content (YouTube also does this shit with monetized videos vs non-monetized). Also if people get pissed enough (mod scene drama is serious business with them egos at stake), they might even lawyer up over this shit now that money is involved, although that's not too likely because the money wouldn't be worth the effort of lawyering up, but you never know.

Paid mods wouldn't result in the complete ban of mods as you so dramatically claim, but they would destroy the free modding community and result in a massive influx of shovelware as it decays the general state of the custom map scene.

>>14693557

He's one of the few characters in the entire story to actually have some sort of arc, but I'd imagine they shitted him up in WoW somehow. Really having the series focus on individuals instead of factions was a mistake.

>>14693521

And don't think that this was not the plan all the time.

Companies are owned and run by literal retards, some also lazy, that don't want anyone doing a better job than them.

They want to eliminate any community that can be used to compare others' works with theirs. The companies either buy groups from those communities, or they engage in what we are seeing now: artificially creating an environment of distrust, to lower the will to participate in said communities.

Golden rule of any industry; the companies are always the enemy that must be defeated. They are never allies of the customers and enthusiasts, and they must never be allowed to be the providers of content for too long.

>>14693605

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmvO52Gh1Jw#t=11m32s

>>14687071

I wish I had to motivation to get out of Silver.