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I don't care what anybody says, fuck the Pain Elementals.

They're the most annoying fucking enemy in any Doom game. Fuck.

>>14686798

Pain Elementals can be a pain in the ass, but they're less painful than Archvilles which are PTSD incarante and Chaingunners.

>>14686798

>Fuck the pain elementals

I would if i could man,demons get me ROCK HARD.

>>14686802

This one looks fun. What's it from?

>>14686811

Going Down.

>>14686798

Pain elementals wouldn't be such a big deal if the lost souls would die in 1 shotgun blast.

>>14686830

They usually do though, their kill animation is just so fucking long that most of the time you can't see it though.

>>14686802

I fucking love Going Down, probably the best vanilla map pack ever made, but

>using filters

Doom is so overrated. Anyone still attached to it is just too much of a pussy to get into Quake.

>>14686821

One of the biggest problems with DOOD is no mods, and the official "snapmap" or whatever is shit.

Their excuse for making every level an arena and capping the monster spawn to 12 was AI. Maybe let us program our own while building maps designed for hoardes of possibly dumber monsters.

I have a hard time believing you, OP-

No, I don't think enemies in Doom have too big health pools (except maybe Lost Souls fuck those things).

>>14686854

I don't play doom much and that was recorded two years ago

>>14686883

Is that supposed to make it better?

>>14686861

It's the other way around, Quake is less diverse and filled with bullet spongy enemies, although I have to respect the game for the innovations it brought. I complained about DOOM enemies having slightly too much HP, Quake enemies often have so much HP that it becomes unfun, not counting the weapon diversity being lower and so on. It really shows that they didn't exactly had the time to polish Quake.

>>14686888

not at all, but I simply didn't know any better two years ago

but maybe I should record some more just to rub autists the wrong way :^)

>>14686914

git gud

Quake = git gud

Doom = cheesy OP weapons

QUAKE IS THE BEST! FUCK ALL THE REST!

Absolutely, the cyberdemon is a shitty enemy and always has been. You know the protip meme? That's because of poor game design where the developers thought a damage sponge with one attack made for a well-designed boss or regular enemy. It doesn't.

Also one of the major reasons Super Shotgun > Doom 1.

>>14686821

I think NoDoom cant be enjoyed properly if you dont like the music.

For me this dynamic music stuff really works well because its an extra adrenaline rush from the song every time you make one of these fat guys eat his own heart and explode.

Thats a lot of fun, but when i play without music the flaws of the game really come through and the whole eating your heart thing becomes just a dull QTE.

So if you like the soundtrack this game can be a pretty amazing experience, but if the music does not "work" for you by releasing adrenaline then the game probably sucks.

Classic mistake of Western game design by the way. Euroshmup devs do this shit all the time. If you're going to give an enemy a lot of health it a) needs to be really clear you can actually harm it and b) it needs to have an actual variety of attacks to make the act of whittling down its health interesting.

>>14686830

they do in doom 64

You're not wrong.

Id, Epic, and 3D Realms were the only companies that could make good FPS games.

>>14686985

I think brootal dum has wads with proper metal renditions of the Doom soundtrack as an addon on ModDB.

Doom 2 enemies are kinda shit.

Archviles can be really fun if they're properly designed around, but Doom 2 has kinda shit level design all about wide open spaces flooded with enemies.

>>14686798

>>14686808

I'd rather fuck archviles, to be perfectly honest.

>>14686971

This 'music' is so bad, just some unpleasant droning wubwub. Nothing catchy, exciting, or memorable.

>>14688824

More of this would be fine.

>>14688826

Unfortunately, it is all I have in my Doom wife-fu folder. Looking for moar myself

>>14688791

Imps are my go to for my fapping and transformation fetishes.

Has anyone else been playing Mr. Friendly? Turns the game into a cute little fetch quest where you can talk to the demons and complete requests to collect stuff for them.

>>14686821

From what I've seen level design is atrocious and enemies take too long to die, so right off the bat over a half of the game is bad.

>>14688891

Nah, you're still Doomguy in Mr. Friendly, not that it has any bearing on things one way or the other.

Also yes, very heretical~

>>14688968

>What would you anons do if you had a pet Cacodemon

Well, I'd…

>that wasn't just fucking the poor thing.

…eh, never mind.

>>14688824

Found the Source

Link: https://mleth.deviantart.com/art/DOOMGIRL-610595000

>>14688968

Depends on what it (she?) likes to do.

I don't think it's that far-fetched that, just like regular pets, they can have different personalities: some prefer cuddling and sleeping all day, and other prefer playing.

>>14689010

>having to sign in

Just fucking post the image here directly, you muldoon

did nuDOOM get any better after the 6.66 update? I liked the demo well enough and found it for 9 bucks… tempted to get it.

>>14689097

>giving money to todd

Just pirate the bloody game, anon. I really shouldn't have to tell you this.

>>14689102

I'd still be getting it second hand, and at this point I'm paying for the convenience of not having to delete one of my larger files that are hard to find torrents for to make space for the huge installer.

>>14686808

Well you'll have to settle for Cacodemons, you weirdo.

>>14686788

We do have the general FPS thread up you know with the old guide yet again

>>14688968

What mod in #2? Also Cacos look like they'd be nice to hug.

>>14689061

>>14689010

I'm assuming it's this image? Grabbed from *booru.

>>14688824

Have to say the nudoom shotgun is pretty good

>>14689143

Anon reverse image search led to Deviant art and the artist who made it great

>>14688872

>Imps are my go to for my fapping and transformation fetishes.

lmao faggot

>>14688891

Goddamnit Ciircuit don't encourage him

>>14689061

Just put a bogus date, as long it makes you older than 18 it'll work.

>>14689143

No anon, reverse image search led to deviant though the artist's drawings are acute

>>14686971

That was terrible, anon. This only works if you like wub wub tier music (which if you do than fuck off). That does NOT belong in Doom

A game can have actual GOOD battle music that is adrenaline rushing and can actually be memorable. Painkiller (2004) comes to mind when explaining this.

>>14689349

Smart AI isn't always fun AI to fight against.

>>14689349

>AI was shit, still is, it's hard to make enemies that are smarter so they just make them harder to kill.

DOOM AI is still leauges above most modern FPS though.

revenants- slow them down by 25%, increase height of hitbox

lost souls- cut health in half

>>14689682

Blame most of it on Carmack, dude's a fucking sociopath.

>>14689682

Who was the guy who Carmack fucked over?

Also wasn't Carmack the reason why ID software broke after all? Or am I missinformed about that?

>>14689682

>the code was stolen as well

Storytime?

>>14686821

It's far better than I was expecting but it had some problems even I wasn't expecting.

I'm not a fan of the rune system at all and the weapon upgrades feel like they should be something hidden in secrets, like the upgrades for the Unmaker in Doom 64. Also having the monsters' item drops scale to the player's need really messes with the target prioritisation when you can get all your health and ammo from an imp or two instead of a baron

>>14688910

>Nah, you're still Doomguy in Mr. Friendly, not that it has any bearing on things one way or the other.

No, you're not Doomguy, you're some sort of Lost Soul(type "chase" in console or type IDDT twice while in automap mode, if you don't believe me) who's called Guardian Demon. But it would be great if you actually played as Doomguy, which would make it hilarious.

>>14689911

Is this a copypasta or it's actually reality?

>>14689925

Ah shit, yeah, that would explain stuff like "Guardian Vision". My mistake.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/91710-pet-the-cacodemon/

>>14689143

>>14690301

>anon on /vr/ was gonna do a mod about breaking out of prison to pet a cacodemon but then he died so here's this instead

;_;7

>>14690348

Rip, that anon had amazing idea, loving cacodemon shouldn't be a crime.

>>14690402

Mr. Friendly can likely be expanded to include such reckless petting.

>>14689911

I'm sorry, but that story trips my bullshit-detector at least thrice.

1. The time frame.

Wasn't Carmack busy with Hovertank/Catacomb3d/Wolfenstein at the time? Weren't they doing all those keen games?

2. Breaking into someone's private home.

Working together on some code project, especially if it isn't in an official capacity, usually involves both partners sharing code revisions with each other and they are thus likely to both have the code at hand. There's very little reason to believe Carmack would have to resort to burglary.

3. Ok, the whole physical altercation at the airport part sounds like something that only happens in movies.

Sorry, I don't automatically believe in any salacious story I find on the internet.

>>14690505

Not to mention we're not given this Michael's last name.

>>14690518

Michell, whatever.

>>14690505

>Wasn't Carmack busy with Hovertank/Catacomb3d/Wolfenstein at the time? Weren't they doing all those keen games?

Id Software was founded 1991.

In 1991 they release the following games:

Shadow Knights(January)

Hovertank 3D(April)

Dangerous Dave in the Haunted Mansion

Rescue Rover

Commander Keen in Keen Dreams

Rescue Rover 2

Tiles of the Dragon

Catacomb 3-D(November)

Commander Keen in Goodbye, Galaxy(December)

Commander Keen in Aliens Ate My Babysitter(December)

With the exception of Dangerous Dave, Tiles of the Dragon and Rescue Rover John Carmack is listed in all either as a programmer or a designer.

In 1992 they released only a single game and that was Wolfenstein 3D, with Doom release a year later in 1993.

So not only had Carmack a shit load of work to do in 1991 to stay afloat with ID Software, it also couldn't have been the engine for Doom or its prototype because that is basically Wolfenstein 3D.

If its true that Carmack stole an engine for a 3D FPS game, it could have only been the engine Hovertank 3D, but then the hole thing would have had to happen in 1990, but at that point Carmack and Romero already meet and created Commander Keen in Invasion of the Vorticons.

>>14689682

Inspiration rarely happens out of nowhere.

There's not enough people in here who wants to fuck demons.

>>14686821

>It relies too much on executions and special abilities

Glory Kills become worthless in the hardest difficulties because it's HP drops don't change, you can get more HP by just killing them normally when your health is low.

>>14691095

Also, a relatively little-known fact except to people who have modded Doom is that there are actually damage types and resistances inherent to weapons and enemies. I believe the common types are bullets, fire, plasma and explosives, and the higher level demons (Barons, Knights etc) have high bullet resistance, but plasma notably eats through all resistances. Many of the tougher monsters, especially boss monsters like Cyberdemons, have high resistance to splash damage from rockets (but direct hits still do good damage). This encourages the player to fight the boss monsters in a manly way instead of trying to cheese them with splash damage from around a corner.

>>14690861

Carmack didn't create the engines for Wolf3D or Doom until he had heard about this sweet new thing we call "texture mapping." Games had much shorter development cycles at the time and Carmack is a fiend for virtual reality (which means cooler graphics), so if he had heard about it sooner you can be damn sure they would have made Wolf3D sooner.

Sorry for triple post.

>>14691140

>This encourages the player to fight the boss monsters in a manly way instead of trying to cheese them with splash damage from around a corner.

I never really found the Cyberdemon to be that engaging since it's only attack is a regular rocket which is the same as the player uses, so how is it "manly" fighting one? Let alone 2-5 of them at the same time. The Queen and Warlord from Unreal 1 are more interesting to fight off since they have a few more properties such as flying or teleportation. I find it more frustrating having to kill Arch-Viles since they have a charged "sniper" attack and resurrection ability which is much more different from regular monsters.

>>14686949

Good point.

>>14691272

>so how is it "manly" fighting one?

Because it's a cool showdown just you and him. The bonus episode pits you against a couple Cyberdemons in inconvenient places and he's much more likely to kill you because of the splash damage and tight maneuvering.

>>14691249

My mistake, I must be thinking of ZDoom damage types and assumed it was also in the original game. I never modded vanilla.

>>14691272

Because it's a dodging contest where you dodge his rockets and fire rockets back at him. Admittedly, it's highly dependent on level design – just like everything else in Doom – so there will be levels that place Cyberdemons in shitty locations. That one level in Doom 2 comes to mind (for the record, I dislike many levels in Doom 2) where you have to walk along a narrow winding cliff, while a Cyberdemon on an island can shoot at you, comes to mind.

>>14691414

OH NO NO NO

Don't say you might have enjoyed nuDoom in here, anon… you'll be lynched in no time.

/v/eddit isn't about vidya, it's about trends.

>>14691414

I wanted to like Arcade Mode, but mods like MetaDoom and even as old as ScoreDoom scratch that itch.

>>14691414

Please. The shotgun felt like it shot BBs. The only satisfying weapons in that game were the super shotgun, the rail cannon, and the minigun's turret mode.

>>14691432

Anon you've probably been lynched in the past because you post like a complete fucking faggot.

>>14691432

Hey beezbab

Shouldn't you be busy sucking ubisofts/bethesdas dick?

>>14691414

Were you playing on easy or something? The weapons felt like shit on the harder settings. You're right about the monsters though. I feel like they were paying more attention to Painkiller and Serious Sam than Doom when they made the arena fights. Difference is Painkiller and Serious Sam own the fact they're just arenas and play it up.

>>14691432

>the hi/v/emind touched me in my bad place

I bet you'd mock people for liking Justin Bieber even though they're having fun. Shit taste is shit taste anon. But hey, at least you got some brownie points with Bethesda right? Right? Don't tell me you did it for free…

>>14689911

Fake and gay

>>14691432

Go back to your safespace if you can't handle being called out for your shit taste.

Any more recent wads you guys can recommend? I've been slowly working through my backlog and I'm going to run out before long.

>>14686788

It's entirely up to the level designer to use the enemies properly. IMO the only really HP tank enemy is the Baron of Hell, which is why ID made the Hell Knight in Doom 2 as a 50% less HP alternative.

Skeletons are bastards but low HP and clump together, great for rockets.

Spiders and Manchubi are both bit targets easy to hit at range and close up easy to get 100% of supershotgun damage (another weapon added to ease up on the HP sponges). Their HP is right around Hell Knight IIRC.

The true evil of Doom 2 is maps with chaingunners in elevated positions 500 feet away from you.

>>14686802

Just finished Going Down last night, great wad.

the pain elementals are nowhere near as bad as the archviles

>>14691949

Have you tried Ancient Aliens?

>>14692270

Another great wad I was about to recommend, I remember being pleasantly surprised to learn who'd made it.

That fucking ending is amazing, too.

>>14691414

Everything in nuDoom had a bit too much HP, but more importantly on higher difficulty levels it was suicide to get in close with most monsters which meant stuff like the shotgun were pretty much useless, all you used were the long range grenade ability. Optimal play was just getting to long range and hosing enemies down endlessly with the way too many high-level weapons and abilities, which is not good DOOM gameplay.

Speaking of good doom wads and fix's to bullet sponge ememy's, anyone here ever play Magitek Doom? It's fucking great in my opinion magic not only being a way you cast spells, but their are weapons that change how the weapon fire and it can waste enemy's so quickly, also very compatible with monster randomizes.

>>14692406

When you say "higher difficulties", do you mean just Nightmare and up? I did Ultra-Violence my playthrough, and I felt pretty comfortable getting close to enemies. Too comfortable, really.

>>14692445

The 2nd highest difficulty that didn't have the permadeath penalty, whatever it was.

>>14692487

That would have been Nightmare, then. I honestly didn't even realize it was available. The game separates it and the permadeath mode from the others, giving them a dark red font and spacing them away. I thought they had to be unlocked by playing the easier difficulties, first.

>>14686798

>he hasn't faced the upgraded ones in Project Brutality

>>14691414

>NuDoom's weapons were hella satisfying. Landing a triple burst from the shotgun on a pinky's fat face is a feeling everyone should enjoy.

Yeah, you just have to do it 3 times to get the kill. What really sucked about nuDoom is that it was a series of arenas broken up by hallways. There's no danger in exploring, no "oh shit this room might be filled with monsters" because unless you're in an area where they can spawn it's just you.

arena>walking segment>arena>walking segment>walking segment with ammo/health in a room>arena

You know I really do like these doom threads, but real question I need to know. Why do people keep coming back to old doom why hasn't it like died. If anything the modding community is more alive than ever, like I know a lot of people like the vanilla doom, the only way I can play doom is with mods these days yet there people who love vanilla can anyone enlighten me as to why?

>>14692601

The core gameplay is still fun, although I have been substituting Final Doomer's version of Doomguy for the vanilla weapon set.

>>14692622

I can't say I share that feeling sadly the mods for the game make it way more playable for me, plus a shotgun that shoots lighting is always amazing.

>>14692529

The first level upgrade (the green ones) is quite annoying but nothing ba if you're paying attention.

The big black and red ones with the massive red electric bolts though simply aren't that fun to deal with, considering they can instagib you from full health if you don't spot them first and stunlock them.

>>14692601

Because the vanilla game is well balanced and fun to play. The guns still feel pretty good (I admit I never liked the chaingun sound much), the enemies can still be a challenge in the right situation, and if the map is good you really don't need much else. Sure, it's not flashy like mods are but that's all it is, flash. I like Project Brutality for instance, but since everything dies so fast including yourself it's not nearly as well balanced as vanilla (although still very exciting).

>>14692731

A couple of years ago I downloaded a torrent from TPB that had pretty much every game on the Doom engine including Heretic and Hexen. I'm sure you'll find it no problem if you search around. If you're totally new know that you should probably use a sourceport like ZDoom to run the game.

>>14692601

It's really easy and fun to mod, and it just keeps getting easier and more fun with ZDoom, despite the drama that occurred with the dev team. Having modded with ZDoom myself, I can tell you that it's very fun and satisfying to change a few lines in a script and go in game and see your weapon's sprites behave exactly the way you want to.

>>14692858

The iwads link doesn't work mister trips.

>>14692972

Welp, looks like someone felt like being a bitch and took it down. I found both Doom I and II on some other site:

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/doom-1nd

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/doom-ii-2pd

Get the IWADs from those and it should do the trick

>>14691414

Anyone got this in lossless format?

>>14693425

>What about GSC Gameworld (S.T.A.L.K.E.R.)?

Meme game that's basically just Oblivion/Skrim but made by slavs.

>What about Monolith (F.E.A.R.)?

Too easy and no enemy variety. They did make Blood though and that was actually good.

>What about Crytek (Crysis)?

Mostly just a tech demo.

>What about Bungie (Marathon, Halo:CE)?

Marathon was ok, gaylo is trash.

So I'll give you 1/4.

>>14693425

monolith produced like 8 bad shooters before fear they're like a fluke machine.

>>14693443

>Blood

>Bad

>Worse than F.E.A.R.

>>>/reddit/

>>14693451

nah its better than feear, but nolf, nolf 2, nolf 2.5, shogo, blood 2, are all shite games

>>14693466

>but nolf, nolf 2, nolf 2.5, shogo, blood 2, are all shite games

Well I'd agree on that assuming by N.O.L.F. 2.5 you meant Contract Jack and not a game I missed out on. F.E.A.R. is still overrated as shit though. I actually forgot to bitch about the repetitive office building + industrial greyness level design too so add that onto my complaints. Actually outside of the shotgun I'm struggling to think of anything it does well. Blood is still the best Build Engine FPS though.

I liked nuDoom better than Doom 2, but not the original Doom. This is mostly because Doom 2's level design was downright awful, and pain elementals were cancer. (Pain elementals are fine in some wads though)

NuDoom's arenas were admittedly fun, but they were also the least Doom-like part of the game. Really, I don't see how you could think NuDoom has worse level design than Doom 2 unless you thought that NuDoom's arenas were worse than the absolute cancer that was Doom 2's level design.

>>14686927

It's still easier than doom despite that. He's just saying it's boring.

Nightmare quake is easier than nightmare doom.

>>14693480

>outside of the shotgun I'm struggling to think of anything it does well.

The enemy A.I. is bretty gud, and Alma a cute.

>>14693528

Probably not specifically made to counter tanky enemies, but rather a way to keep the shotgun relevant when facing tougher foes.

>>14693579

That's kind of what is meant by "made to counter tanky enemies"

It oneshots pinkies, 2-shots skellies, 3-shots most everything else that isn't a boss, and the number of individual hits means it staggers damn near everything so long as you connect. It's the only thing that can fairly reliably stun Archviles, even the Chaingun doesn't hit quickly enough to do that.

>>14693055

>10

>fucking

>meg

<GIF

>>14693778

It's kind of crazy to think that DOOM 2 was 5 1.44 MB floppies.

>>14689097

>>14689102

>>14689109

I went ahead and got it. It's not bad. It's not DOOM, but its a fun little fps. It's definitely not DOOM though.

>not playing complex doom

>>14693930

>playing a meme mod that gives enemies invincibility frames and unavoidable instakill moves

>>14693916

Always wondered what the story behind this image was. Did someone really make a specifi request to Microsoft for a copy of Windows 8 on floppies? Or is it just a hoax?

>>14693991

you might be thinking lca mods ala legendary monsters. regular complex is not hard and waaay better than regular doom, which i first played on office depot display pc's back in late '93 and have been playing since. Doom II complex is best imo

>>14694009

The label says 3,711 total disks, but only shows a small fraction of that. In addition, only three disks show a label. I am willing to bet that someone had a good number of floppies laying around that they weren't using, printed out three labels that they made in Photoshop, and made this pic. Coulda done the same with 5 1/4" floppies. I miss sliding those into my Atari 130 XE and flipping that latch. The days.

Sincerely,

Oldfag

>>14693425

>DooManons, how would you fix Doom 3?

It's a Half-Life clone, bro. Just play Half-Life.

>>14686788

The chaingunners are the most common example to me. They have just enough health to not be reliably killed with the shotties, it just makes them annoying.

>>14694263

They aren't really similar games, and it depends on what you liked about nuDoom, if you are wondering whether you would like the classic games. The only objectively good design choice in nuDoom was that all enemies were either not hitscan or very delayed hitscan. Almost all of the ammo management and "strategic" aspects of the original Doom were eschewed in favor of glory kills, forced arena fights and weapon/armor/ammo upgrades. The weapon upgrades are neat, but nothing that isn't replicable in classic Doom mods (In fact, there is a Doom mod which does just that called Death Foretold, abbreviates to D4 as a reference to 'Doom 4').

However, the armor/ammo upgrades are honestly just stupid and shouldn't have been in the game, mostly because they nerfed the fuck out of your starting ammo capacity, forcing you to dump points into it right from the get-go. Whereas the default ammo capacity in classic Doom is serviceable, and when you get the backpack you can carry twice that.

>>14694263

I didn't like the original Doom much either. I've been having a lot of fun playing Doom 2 modded to shit:

>ProjectMSX v0.2a

>ColourfulHell89.pk3

combined with WADs like:

ETERNALL.WAD

D2RELOAD.WAD

There are so many WADs that I don't even see the need to complain about Doom 2's shit levels. Yeah, they're shit, but I've played at least a half-dozen great megawads from the community.

I thought Marathon was a more impressive game, technically. The ambient sounds like the hum of an alien spaceship really add a lot. Sad to see so few Doom WADs make use of them.

>>14694278

Wait, I thought everyone complained about Doom 2's level design. Can't count how many times I've read the phrase "monster closets"…

>>14694278

Almost everyone agrees that D2 levels are a lot worse than D1.

IMO the biggest problem though is the lack of an episodic structure.

>>14694309

I forget to mention that the ammo capacity nerf is even sillier because you can just get ammo from killing enemies, especially with a chainsaw. And you don't even need to worry about ammo types. It's just weird as hell, coming from the classic games, which are more about exploring the level if you get in a tight spot to find supplies.

>>14694323

>>14694329

Yeah, the Imp Closet Party is a favorite in Doom 2, that's for sure. I actually liked Tricks and Traps though, that level was fairly neat. I think the first 9 levels are pretty good, then MAP10 is obviously garbage, and it kind of goes downhill when you get into the city levels, with a few tactically-placed shitters like Barrels O' Fun (another Petersen 'masterpiece').

>>14694338

Oh man I loved Barrels O' Fun. As soon as you mentioned it I just burst out laughing. It was just… so stupid I had to like it, even though it was unpleasant to play through. If that makes sense.

>>14694344

Not nearly as stupid as Fortress of Mystery, which wasn't even intended to have the Cacodemon/Baron of Hell interaction. Which means that yes, Petersen expected you to kill all of those enemies by yourself with just a shotgun, if you tried to pistol start. And then he actually said it was his favorite level in an interview.

>>14693528

This is one major reason I'm thankful for mods honestly. It seems most of them realize the pistol is a piece of shit and beef it up somewhat. Usually without outclassing other weapons too.

>>14693657

With Arch-Viles you still most certainly need cover since it's only about a 50:50 of stagger. But yeah it's great for interrupting most enemies, including big stuff like the Mancubus and Arachnotron.

>>14694338

>MAP10

>garbage

Really? I have to say I don't like how it looks but I always thought it played well since it's basically a big interconnected arena where enemies can come at you unexpectedly. The level I like except for one really terrible gimmick is MAP24. The worst level in my view was MAP12 or MAP21, I can't decide.

>>14694349

E2M9 is not a shotgun-only level! All the weapons except the BFG9000 are in the starting room, though yes, you do have to weave around Barons to get them and there's not that much ammo for all of them. Definitely manageable though.

>>14694448

>With Arch-Viles you still most certainly need cover since it's only about a 50:50 of stagger. But yeah it's great for interrupting most enemies, including big stuff like the Mancubus and Arachnotron.

Doom wiki says it's a 78% chance to stun.

Everything else is basically 100% since you're rolling so many chances. May actually be 100% for most of them (probably any other than Cyberdemon) due to the fact that Doom uses a pre-rolled pseudo RNG, that's why Archvile's chance to stun is higher than the theoretical stats show.

>>14694467

>https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Arch-Vile

>a point-blank shot with the super shotgun only disrupts their spell 55% of the time.

The 78% probably applies to two consecutive shots, but unless you're backed into a corner you really don't want to be attempting that since the SSG's reload time should be spent moving to cover.

And yeah, it's pretty much 100% for anything with decent pain chance, though balanced out by some enemies having much faster retaliation than the Arch-Vile.

>>14689911

>Mitchell and Carmack were about to enter a partnership until Softdisk hired Carmack. Bitter, John Carmack entered Mitchell's home when he knew he would be gone and stole all of the material related to the engine, including some of the other projects Mitchell had been working on by himself.

What was Carmack bitter for? Going back on his word to work together with Mitchell and going with Softdisk instead? It's like a sentence got left out here.

Whole post reeks of BS.

>>14694500

That's the naive answer if you take the pain chance and do (1-(1-% chance)^number of shots), but doesn't take into account that the PRNG is prerolled (http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Random)

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Arch-vile

This one says 78%, which seems more reasonable and probably takes into account the PRNG.

FWIW the random number table is here https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM/blob/master/linuxdoom-1.10/m_random.c

if you want to make a script to find the probability yourself.

>>14693495

Nightmare doom was just meant to be silly, it's only recently that it was considered to be anything more.

>>14694329

D2 level philosophy is quantity over quality.

Playing Doom1 levels is like wiping your ass with the expensive name brand toilet paper, Doom2 levels are the super cheap super thin completely worthless sandpapery bulk TP they use in schools prisons and office buildings that's like warcrimes are being committed on your ass.

>>14694500

>>14694528

Actually scratch that, I made a python script myself and apparently the SSG only has a 48.8% chance to stun

array=[0, 8, 109, 220, 222, 241, 149, 107,  75, 248, 254, 140, 16, 66 , 74,  21, 211,  47,  80, 242, 154,  27, 205, 128, 161,  89,  77,  36 , 95, 110,  85,  48, 212, 140, 211, 249,  22,  79, 200,  50,  28, 188 ,52, 140, 202, 120, 68, 145,  62,  70, 184, 190,  91, 197, 152, 224 , 149, 104,  25, 178, 252, 182, 202, 182, 141, 197,   4,  81, 181, 242 , 145,  42,  39, 227, 156, 198, 225, 193, 219,  93, 122, 175, 249,   0 , 175, 143,  70, 239,  46, 246, 163,  53, 163, 109, 168, 135,   2, 235 , 25,  92,  20, 145, 138,  77,  69, 166,  78, 176, 173, 212, 166, 113 , 94, 161,  41,  50, 239,  49, 111, 164,  70,  60,   2,  37, 171,  75 , 136, 156,  11,  56,  42, 146, 138, 229,  73, 146,  77,  61,  98, 196 , 135, 106,  63, 197, 195,  86,  96, 203, 113, 101, 170, 247, 181, 113 , 80, 250, 108,   7, 255, 237, 129, 226,  79, 107, 112, 166, 103, 241 , 24, 223, 239, 120, 198,  58,  60,  82, 128,   3, 184,  66, 143, 224 , 145, 224,  81, 206, 163,  45,  63,  90, 168, 114,  59,  33, 159,  95 , 28, 139, 123,  98, 125, 196,  15,  70, 194, 253,  54,  14, 109, 226 , 71,  17, 161,  93, 186,  87, 244, 138,  20,  52, 123, 251,  26,  36 , 17,  46,  52, 231, 232,  76,  31, 221,  84,  37, 216, 165, 212, 106 , 197, 242,  98,  43,  39, 175, 254, 145, 190,  84, 118, 222, 187, 136 , 120, 163, 236, 249, 0, 8, 109, 220, 222, 241, 149, 107,  75, 248, 254, 140, 16, 66 , 74,  21, 211,  47,  80, 242, 154,  27, 205, 128, 161,  89,  77,  36 , 95, 110,  85,  48, 212, 140, 211, 249,  22,  79, 200,  50,  28, 188 ,52, 140, 202, 120, 68, 145,  62,  70, 184, 190,  91, 197, 152, 224 , 149, 104,  25, 178, 252, 182, 202, 182, 141, 197,   4,  81, 181, 242 , 145,  42,  39, 227, 156, 198, 225, 193, 219,  93, 122, 175, 249,   0 , 175, 143,  70, 239,  46, 246, 163,  53, 163, 109, 168, 135,   2, 235 , 25,  92,  20, 145, 138,  77,  69, 166,  78, 176, 173, 212, 166, 113 , 94]
result = [0 for x in range(0,255)]
for x in range(0,255):
	for y in range(0,19):
		if(array[x+y] < 10):
			result[x] = 1
sum(result)

>>14694556

And FWIW, the Cyberdemon (2nd least likely to be stunned enemy) has a 94.9% chance to be stunned by a SSG point blank as opposed to the 96.4% chance that you'd expect from the naive approach. Not sure why the PRNG did this, you'd expect it to be the other way around. PRNGs (especially one that you would pre-roll for Doom) tend to minimize long stretches of highs or lows so you'd expect it to be less likely to roll 20 simultaneous dud impacts in a row vs. RNG

>every level is an empty box until you push the arena button

>every monster requires a fatality for the ebin meems

>not using fatalities wastes so much ammo that you're back using fatalities to refill

>trash music for no taste millennials

Redditors will defend this shit

Stop being tolerant about these faggots or we'll end up like cuckchan

NuDoom is a shit memegame that felt like a halo clone from day 1

>>14694381

>I actually really enjoyed NuDoom.

>wall of text blog to defend his normalfag shit taste

This is the future of all reddiy infested boards

>>14689710

>it honestly amazes me that they look so wooly and cuddly in-game.

Well the source material doesn't look any less jovial, in fact it's alignment is Chaotic. Chaotic monsters in DnD were either just filler with a generic design they'd slap on or they'd create and interesting design and go "this is Chaotic".

>>14694528

doomwiki.org is the one generally accepted within the Doom community. It and others (mariowiki, zeldawiki, etc.) were result of an exodus from Wikia after it forced some bad design changes site-wide. Still it's worth verifying which is correct.

>>14694556

I did my own attempt with GNU Octave.

function [retval] = doom_prng(idx, pain, shots)

doom_prngtable = { 0, 8, 109, 220, 222, 241, 149, 107,  75, 248, 254, 140,  16,  66 , 74,  21, 211,  47,  80, 242, 154,  27, 205, 128, 161,  89,  77,  36 , 95, 110,  85,  48, 212, 140, 211, 249,  22,  79, 200,  50,  28, 188 , 52, 140, 202, 120,  68, 145,  62,  70, 184, 190,  91, 197, 152, 224 , 149, 104,  25, 178, 252, 182, 202, 182, 141, 197,   4,  81, 181, 242 , 145,  42,  39, 227, 156, 198, 225, 193, 219,  93, 122, 175, 249,   0 , 175, 143,  70, 239,  46, 246, 163,  53, 163, 109, 168, 135,   2, 235 , 25,  92,  20, 145, 138,  77,  69, 166,  78, 176, 173, 212, 166, 113 , 94, 161,  41,  50, 239,  49, 111, 164,  70,  60,   2,  37, 171,  75 , 136, 156,  11,  56,  42, 146, 138, 229,  73, 146,  77,  61,  98, 196 , 135, 106,  63, 197, 195,  86,  96, 203, 113, 101, 170, 247, 181, 113 , 80, 250, 108,   7, 255, 237, 129, 226,  79, 107, 112, 166, 103, 241 , 24, 223, 239, 120, 198,  58,  60,  82, 128,   3, 184,  66, 143, 224 , 145, 224,  81, 206, 163,  45,  63,  90, 168, 114,  59,  33, 159,  95 , 28, 139, 123,  98, 125, 196,  15,  70, 194, 253,  54,  14, 109, 226 , 71,  17, 161,  93, 186,  87, 244, 138,  20,  52, 123, 251,  26,  36 , 17,  46,  52, 231, 232,  76,  31, 221,  84,  37, 216, 165, 212, 106 , 197, 242,  98,  43,  39, 175, 254, 145, 190,  84, 118, 222, 187, 136 , 120, 163, 236, 249 };

  for i = 1 : shots
    getidx = mod(idx + (i - 1), 256) + 1;
    test = doom_prngtable{getidx};
    if test < pain
      retval = 1;
      return;
    endif
  endfor
  retval = 0; # Monster never hit pain chance
endfunction

Actual invocation:

>> y = 0 ; x = 0 ; for i = 0:255 ; x = x + doom_prng(i, 10, 20) ; y++ ; endfor
>> x / y
ans =  0.51172
>> 1 - (x / y)
ans =  0.48828

I believe you've got the chance to not stun, but yeah, our figures are agreeable otherwise, might be worth bringing up on the talk page or something. As for the 55% specified maybe that applies to source ports if those use less primitive RNG?

>>14694448

>Really? I have to say I don't like how it looks but I always thought it played well since it's basically a big interconnected arena where enemies can come at you unexpectedly. The level I like except for one really terrible gimmick is MAP24. The worst level in my view was MAP12 or MAP21, I can't decide.

MAP10 is literally just a bunch of huge rooms filled to the brim with monsters; no corridors or anything else, unless you count the "hallway of closets" filled with former humans. It's a tedious slog that does nothing but eat through all of your ammo for the next level, and the teleporting Cyberdemon gimmick at the end is also ridiculous. And to top it all off, it has very few doors, which results in a problem that no other map has: you can fire your gun at one end of the map and alert monsters that are several rooms away, which results in you getting shot in the back by wandering monsters while trying to get through the level. The Doom engine doesn't detect radius on your gun firing to alert monsters, it just keeps going until it finds a vertex that closes the shape of the room. That particular quirk is the defining thing that reveals its alpha test nature.

>E2M9 is not a shotgun-only level! All the weapons except the BFG9000 are in the starting room, though yes, you do have to weave around Barons to get them and there's not that much ammo for all of them. Definitely manageable though.

Guess my memory is shittier than I thought. It's still a very uninteresting design though. IIRC, just two rooms filled with monsters… kind of like MAP10 on a smaller scale. Honestly, if I played Doom 1 for the first time and that was the first secret level I found, I might not bother trying to find any others.

>>14694697

I should add that the "unexpected monsters" thing wouldn't be so bad if it weren't unique to that one level in particular, or if there weren't so many of them, but there are also a lot of secret closets which open in that level as you go along, which creates an incredibly annoying stream of monsters coming up behind you.

>>14694586

How is it so high for you? For Doom's PRNG I get 74.22% chance to stun. Pain chance for Cybie is 20, whereas Arch-Vile is 10. I do get something close to that for Spider Mastermind (40) at 95.70%

>>14694697

>MAP10

Maybe it's a taste thing but I like the large explorable area with the side paths and secrets, and the fact that enemies do in fact get woken up earlier and start chasing you around (I'm aware of Doom's sound propagation rules) so unless you're methodical it becomes unpredictable. The Cyberdemon is dumb though I'll give you that. Hated that trick in one of the Plutonia maps as well, might've been MAP20? It was with multiple Barons in a small area.

>It's still a very uninteresting design though.

Yeah I'm not arguing it's a masterpiece or anything. It is a manageable level however, and yeah, I'm not gonna defend Sandy's Doom maps they're mostly terrible. They are a marked step up in Doom 2 however.

>Honestly, if I played Doom 1 for the first time and that was the first secret level I found, I might not bother trying to find any others.

You'd be smarter for it. E3M9 is a re-skin of E3M1, an already crap level. E4M9 is kind of dull compared to the rest of that generally stellar episode. E1M9 is the only good one.

>>14694619

I dunno, those pictures are pretty fearsome-looking. Maybe it's just the way they are in Doom, and thanks to Hissy/Pixel.

>>14694381

>played it on my ps4

Which means you played it with a controller which is complete shit that games have to be toned down in order for console users to be able to hit anything at a decent speed. Even more proof Nudoom is a casualized turd.

>>14694795

>How is it so high for you? For Doom's PRNG I get 74.22% chance to stun. Pain chance for Cybie is 20, whereas Arch-Vile is 10. I do get something close to that for Spider Mastermind (40) at 95.70%

Whoops. Must have read the wrong entry on the table or something.

Your pain chance for the Cyberdemon is weird though, can you show your sequence of hits and misses? My chance is 71.7% at 20 pain chance.

array=[0, 8, 109, 220, 222, 241, 149, 107,  75, 248, 254, 140,  16,  66 , 74,  21, 211,  47,  80, 242, 154,  27, 205, 128, 161,  89,  77,  36 , 95, 110,  85,  48, 212, 140, 211, 249,  22,  79, 200,  50,  28, 188 , 52, 140, 202, 120,  68, 145,  62,  70, 184, 190,  91, 197, 152, 224 , 149, 104,  25, 178, 252, 182, 202, 182, 141, 197,   4,  81, 181, 242 , 145,  42,  39, 227, 156, 198, 225, 193, 219,  93, 122, 175, 249,   0 , 175, 143,  70, 239,  46, 246, 163,  53, 163, 109, 168, 135,   2, 235 , 25,  92,  20, 145, 138,  77,  69, 166,  78, 176, 173, 212, 166, 113 , 94, 161,  41,  50, 239,  49, 111, 164,  70,  60,   2,  37, 171,  75 , 136, 156,  11,  56,  42, 146, 138, 229,  73, 146,  77,  61,  98, 196 , 135, 106,  63, 197, 195,  86,  96, 203, 113, 101, 170, 247, 181, 113 , 80, 250, 108,   7, 255, 237, 129, 226,  79, 107, 112, 166, 103, 241 , 24, 223, 239, 120, 198,  58,  60,  82, 128,   3, 184,  66, 143, 224 , 145, 224,  81, 206, 163,  45,  63,  90, 168, 114,  59,  33, 159,  95 , 28, 139, 123,  98, 125, 196,  15,  70, 194, 253,  54,  14, 109, 226 , 71,  17, 161,  93, 186,  87, 244, 138,  20,  52, 123, 251,  26,  36 , 17,  46,  52, 231, 232,  76,  31, 221,  84,  37, 216, 165, 212, 106 , 197, 242,  98,  43,  39, 175, 254, 145, 190,  84, 118, 222, 187, 136 , 120, 163, 236, 249, 0, 8, 109, 220, 222, 241, 149, 107,  75, 248, 254, 140,  16,  66 , 74,  21, 211,  47,  80, 242, 154,  27, 205, 128, 161,  89,  77,  36 , 95, 110,  85,  48, 212, 140, 211, 249,  22,  79, 200,  50,  28, 188 , 52, 140, 202, 120,  68, 145,  62,  70, 184, 190,  91, 197, 152, 224 , 149, 104,  25, 178, 252, 182, 202, 182, 141, 197,   4,  81, 181, 242 , 145,  42,  39, 227, 156, 198, 225, 193, 219,  93, 122, 175, 249,   0 , 175, 143,  70, 239,  46, 246, 163,  53, 163, 109, 168, 135,   2, 235 , 25,  92,  20, 145, 138,  77,  69, 166,  78, 176, 173, 212, 166, 113 , 94, 161,  41,  50, 239,  49, 111, 164,  70,  60,   2,  37, 171,  75 , 136, 156,  11,  56,  42, 146, 138, 229,  73, 146,  77,  61,  98, 196 , 135, 106,  63, 197, 195,  86,  96, 203, 113, 101, 170, 247, 181, 113 , 80, 250, 108,   7, 255, 237, 129, 226,  79, 107, 112, 166, 103, 241 , 24, 223, 239, 120, 198,  58,  60,  82, 128,   3, 184,  66, 143, 224 , 145, 224,  81, 206, 163,  45,  63,  90, 168, 114,  59,  33, 159,  95 , 28, 139, 123,  98, 125, 196,  15,  70, 194, 253,  54,  14, 109, 226 , 71,  17, 161,  93, 186,  87, 244, 138,  20,  52, 123, 251,  26,  36 , 17,  46,  52, 231, 232,  76,  31, 221,  84,  37, 216, 165, 212, 106 , 197, 242,  98,  43,  39, 175, 254, 145, 190,  84, 118, 222, 187, 136 , 120, 163, 236, 249]
result = [0 for x in range(0,255)]
pchance = 20
for x in range(0,255):
	for y in range(0,19):
		if(array[x+y] < pchance):
			result[x] = 1
result
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float(sum(result))/255
0.7176470588235294

>>14693482

What, you didn't like Sandy Peterson's levels? No waaaaay

>>14695595

nvm, I'm stupid. It needs to be range(0,20), not range(0,19). Duh. Your numbers are correct.

I'm playing Brutal Doom, and I'm having lots of fun.

>>14691432

Calm down, sissy.

>>14691414

Weapons are one of the reasons I dropped the new Doom. The sound effects are bad and not satisfying at all, and to add insult to injury, enemies don't explode when you shoot them because they have to go through the glory kill phase first. Even when you shoot them before they're killed, they don't really look like they're affected that much. Everything just lacks impact.

I don't hate the new Doom like /v/ does but this really pissed me off.

>>14695747

I'm struggling to think of a 3D FPS that had good satisfying gore.

>>14695670

That mod was improved significantly when SgtMark made all of the bullets fast-moving tracers instead of hitscan, considering how many bullet-based weapons are in that mod. I still think it doesn't work well with a lot of level sets though.

>>14695894

Soldier of Fortune II was kind of primitive and glitchy, but for its time I thought it was pretty impressive. Shotgun blasts could blow off limbs, shooting people in the throat made them collapse and sputter and choke, etc. Pretty nasty stuff. Embed related.

>>14694381

>Navy Seal anon defends nuDoom with a fresh wall of text.

6/10

>>14696881

Yeah, and like a lot of Raven Software games, I thought it was "good, not great". Quake 4 being another example.

Also, here's 150 DooM mods in 20 minutes. That's 7.5 DooM mods per minute (dmpm)!

>>14686821

It was better than what I was expecting but I was expecting CAWADOOTY but with Demons.

I never finished the game, so that should tell you about my level of engagement with it. I just couldn't enjoy it enough to finish it, not to mention that it took up like 80GB.

It honestly could have been a good fps if not for a couple of changes that really hold it back.

Remove the animated kills/execution kills.

Increase the number of enemies that can be on screen at once.

Tone down the stupid music that plays during every combat encounter, its obnoxious and unneeded.

Speed up the movement.

Remove hitscan, I know there where hitscan enemies and it annoyed the shit out of me.

>>14697758

>not to mention that it took up like 80GB

This kept me from playing it for so long. I really didn't feel like downloading and storing near eighty gigs just to play a game that I would, at most, moderately enjoy.

>>14697778

I'm surprised I don't have 80 GB worth of Doom mods already to be honest. Wonder if we'll one day have mods that massive for the original game.

>>14698046

> PCucks

> Pee-See-ucks

> Pee-Cucks

I get what you're going for, but it's still stupid and unpronounceable as an insult. Either it's completely unclear that you're even calling somebody a cuck, or it's completely unclear that you're insulting PC users.

>>14698109

Arachnocide is about murdering bugs. Stronghold Edge of Chaos is a sort of COD Zombies style thing if that was what you meant by horde mode.

>>14698131

Stronghold looks really neat. Hope it has a lot of replayability.

>>14698139

It's alright, better in groups IMO but then again everything is.

>>14698211

Filtered for derailing/being a fucking crybaby

>>14698232

>PCuck tears

>>14697828

But I like Demonsteele wad its fun, also I thought it was neat desgin wise, I will agree guncaaster is shit and cringy but I feel that shouldn't ruin the fun of something like Demonsteele as it is actually good.

>>14698664

But Demonsteele and Guncaster aren't related at all, unless PillowBlaster made graphics for Demonsteele.

>>14698706

I don't think so, from what I heard the guys behind Russian overkill made guncaster.

>>14698664

>>14698706

Yeah no he just wrote some godawful shit for /r/HFY

>>14698765

yeah that sounds right, honestly guncaster was really boring, like I don't think it did a single thing that wasn't already done.

>>14688968

I remember a part in the Doom book adaptations where Doomguy actually got a pet Cacodemon.

>>14699072

THIS

>>14699072

Fuck nudoom, this is some fucking sick ass lore.

>>14699174

Just go look at cacoward winners and download those. Or check one of DoomWorld's top ten wads of the decade list or whatever. I might upload my wad collection if I can remember to do that.

>>14699174

I'm thinking of making a Google Drive folder with all the stuff listed in that infographic, but I worry about making it foolproof.

>>14699174

Searching for wads on your own and possibly stumbling upon strange and forgotten ones is part of the fun.

>>14699174

Why don't you just see what's around and download what looks like fun? Mod compilations tend to be stale anyway, especially for ones in development.

>>14698139

I wanted to play that but it seemed to crash in current versions of GZDoom.

>>14695623

Why 0,20 wouldn't that mean 21 hit checks?

>>14699636

Unless they used a dead host for uploaded files, then it's gone forever.

>>14701732

>the Wings of Wrath is replaced with a powerup that modifies your drone

>>14700037

Because its range(start number, length) not range(start number, end number)

>>14701795

Actually scratch that, it's start number, end number, but for some reason python decided to make range (x,20) mean go up to 19. WTF?

Yeah, not a python expert, just dipping into it to learn a bit.

>>14701792

When you need to drop a giant fuckin' arrow on the ground at the startpoint because you made a level that looks non-linear, but actually ISN'T, you haven't made a good level.

>>14701795

>>14701805

https://www.pythoncentral.io/pythons-range-function-explained/

>range(3,6) prints 3 4 5

That's asinine and totally not confusing.

>>14701810

Funny thing is that Plutonia MAP04 does the same thing with a sky arrow. Also that's what, 1 map of 32, and I'd argue that aside from that dumb thing it's pretty damn explorable and playable.

>>14702517

Elevators should be quick, and just as importantly, you should be able to reverse its travel from the top, bottom, or on the elevator. There are few thing that kill a map's flow as quickly as an elevator that moves between top & bottom about a quickly as it takes to make a fucking sandwich

>>14702517

>>14702561

Why not just play Doom 2 the Way id Did?

Although Doom 1 the Way id Did feels…weird.

>>14704256

Just like make a mod for Smash 4.

whatever happened to the columbine mod?

Did it get completed?

>>14699196

The books still did the awful "Its not the christian hell guys! Its a TOTALLY different dimension! Just ignore the pentagrams, upside down crosses and all of the other symbolic references to the Bible"

>>14705014

Well I don't mind that really, regular hell is pretty boring unless were talking the japense hell no thank you.

>>14705125

Its still fucking up the canon.

>>14705138

Agreed, by the way I resently got the doom 64 wad so far from what I played its way better than orginal doom like the pase and feeling is just way better.

>>14686802

Why are you using filters in going down?

>>14705125

Considering this is a sci-fi setting, and the demons have advanced technology of their own, it being actual hell makes it pretty interesting, especially since we broke into it from a moon orbiting Mars.

>>14704192

>H-Doom deathmatch

I don't want to know what that'll entail if animations are added.

>>14699174

I have a mega backup of some anon's collection. I haven't gone entirely through it so some stuff is probably outdated.

https://mega.nz/#F!nYRhiToJ!OwElSfO_79rfvyIGSmQP8A

Why is it called Complex Doom?

>>14692858

>Equinox

Could anyone compile together some aphex twin songs in a wad to use for this?

>>14689248

One of our anons drew this?

>>14705834

That is the joke, and I wasn't being serious. Cooperative on the other hand, would actually be interesting for spitroasting animu demons.

>>14705014

And just when you think it can't get any worse, >>>/v/14707354 happens.

Anyone played the second episode?

First map was fucking perfect, loved it.

Second map was a big letdown after I spent almost 10 minutes trying to understand where I was supposed to go, and the huge open area wasn't helping much.

I'm on the third map and it's again a huge open area.

For those that played it through, does it get better?

>>14697758

>I never finished the game, so that should tell you about my level of engagement with it. I just couldn't enjoy it enough to finish it.

I'm also probably going to give up before getting to the hell levels. I'm just so bored, and I think it's because the combat is a bit empty and weightless. The weapons feel weak and the monsters spongy, there isn't much in the way of feedback for hitting or being hit. Often, HP drains without any obvious reason because something spawned in behind me and I wasn't watching the HP gauge.

Health is meaningless, if you don't die instantly, a single glory kill will bring most of it back. This means there is either a lack of consequences for being hit or sudden death without anything in-between. The good thing is that the game mechanic of farting out lots of health and ammo when things die keeps you close to the action.

All the monsters so far feel samey in that they’re ugly humanoid-ish hell whatever, who cares, have a rocket or two to the face. There isn’t much variation in how you go about fighting things. Doom guy runs just slightly too slowly to feel ‘correct’, and the game showers you with stupid upgrade crap and cutscenes which breaks the flow even more.

>>14709929

>a single glory kill will bring most of it back

Glory kills don't do that, it's the enemy's state and how much health you have that determines the health drop. This is why you only do glory kills for ammo on the hardest difficulty.

>>14697758

I did finish it, and I was pretty lukewarm about the entire game. The last levels of the game are pretty much a blur to me and I don't remember much other than some bits here and there.

>>14711330

I had the same feeling. Even though I was playing on the highest non-meme difficulty, it still felt like I was playing on auto-pilot, and despite the wub wub music my brain was playing on the beat of reggae because of how mellow everything felt. Though the auto-pilot feeling does make sense since the game takes care of your health and ammo for you. As long as you keep killing enemies, they'll drop health and ammo eventually (or if you pull out the chainsaw every now and then), so you never really have to worry about health and ammo.

None of the fights feel like they're trying to push you out of your comfort zone, so it feels like you can get by with the same tactics no matter where you go.

Fuck off. stop shilling your old dead game

>>14711507

You're the one shilling your dead game.

>>14709485

Did you manage to fix the weapon stay bug? Or still no luck with that?

>>14711891

I haven't taken a look yet how the sv_weaponstay behaves on dropped weapons, I think the map placed weapon couldn't be collected anymore so in this case I just need to add a inventory condition to fix it.

>>14686788

It is because of the super shotgun. The gun was very powerful so they had to balance the enemies around that gun. If they were weaker the ssg is all what you would need through most of the game. There are a lot of mods though that try to make all of the guns feel powerful in their own right.

One enemy that definitely is way too strong for its own good is the lost souls. Those things should have had the same hp as the zombie guys. Interestingly enough there is even a mod that specifically weakens these enemy types.

>>14686821

I never played it nor do I need to. Looking at it is enough for me to know that it was incredibly overrated. It doesn't look completely awful but it isn't at all how a modern Doom should be. It misses the point entirely. I think they should have scaled down those graphics just so that they can have way more enemies on screen at once. The enemy designs look pretty garbage as well. Being the first significant Doom game without any of the key original members that built id it really shows. The game comes across to me as if it is larping like it is a cool Doom guy without truly understanding why Doom remains great even to this day.

At least Doom 3 tried to be something different. I feel like NuDoom tries way too hard to be a me too Doom game in the spirit of the originals but it only gets part of what was good about the older games. A lot of the artstyle of the game is pure shit to look at. Hell in Doom 3 was pretty great to look at. NuDoom not so much. Then there is also the upgrading crap that has no reason being there and other things I could mention like glory kills being forced.

I really have no interest in ever playing the game.

>>14712456

i agree that it was just trying too hard to play it safe. i'll admit that i actually had a decent time with it, but it's not hard to imagine just how good it could have been if they hadn't made the stupid decisions they had re: weapon/armour upgrades and had hired someone to make actual maps instead of linear tunnels. considering the state of the industry today i think it turned out better than i expected but really, it's not saying much when a game you expected to be a 2/10 turned out to be a 5/10

that said though i disagree completely with the hell aesthetic. i really liked the look of it, it made me think of a slayer or megadeth album cover or something. i would have rathered the traditional "occult symbols and nazi shit" aesthetic but in current year -2 i understand why a group of jews like bethesda wouldn't have gone for that

>>14712327

Pretty epic, haha, but my favorite joke in Ion Maiden is the the cake is a lie one :)

>>14712356

Haha, I love the game Doom by ZeniMax Media Incorporated. Todd Howard is my hero!

>>14712356

That explains the recent mod.

>>14712356

I'd play it.

>>14690301

cute

>>14686971

>mick gordon

>good

no

>>14713948

Literally who?

>>14714036

I wanna say that's one of the GZDoom developers, specifically the one that made the initial post explaining their use of data collecting for GZDoom that did not get received well.

>>14714105

>>14714093

It's not Rachel, it's https://forum.zdoom.org/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=10787

>>14714093

If it didn't get received well it was a miscommunication since it was actually done for very good reason, and the scope of what was collected was very limited (and provably). I linked the results in the retro games thread.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=59972

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=60156

>>14714105

Unless other devs will step up to maintain that labyrinthine codebase then yeah, it will be pretty dead.

>>14714128

Screengrab it. Only registered people can view profiles.

>>14713948

Man what is it with SJWeebs? I'm noticing a lot of them latey

>>14714093

I remember people shilling for GZDoom here a while ago. What a laugh.

>>14714280

Invading and trying to diversify another form of media after their success with comics.

>>14714354

Comics were long dead before they fucked with them, it's not hard to infiltrate a dead medium. They'd have to infiltrate the entirety of Japan in order to ruin vidya, mango and animu.

>>14714360

Agreed.

Recently I've been trying out doom 64 on gzdoom, like I don't know why, but I like doom 64 feel way better than normal doom's and the handle of ememy's is really nice. I think the weapons themselves are even vastly improved the power along side the animations I even like the super shotgun here better than any version I used in any wad. It feels just right and animation and textures are perfect just a solid game really.

>>14709531

It's gets a bit better, maybe. The mappers seemed to have gone off to expand the size of maps. The third map is probably one of the most extreme in terms of size.

I found progression to halt in its tracks for a minute every now and again to gain my bearings, because the maps would sometimes loop back on themselves without obvious signs of direction. You'll sometimes have to take note and remember locked doors you've seen some distance away from where you get their respective keys.

Overall, I had fun with only some frustrations with map navigation.

>>14714280

Bright colors and easy character archetypes, same as comics, Sonic, MLP, Homestuck, Minecraft, etc. You'll also notice that mose of them have utterly pleb-tier taste or list a bunch of "good" anime but have no idea what makes them good and miss most of the nuance. You've got to be well and truly autistic to believe the insane crap they do, and there's nothing autists love more than simplicity. Same could be said of narcissists or borderline, but for different reasons.

>>14714290

The port is alright, but everything surrounding it is cancer. There are a lot of fun mods and maps just stay the hell away from the community if you want to keep your sanity.

>>14714413

>but what IS that link

Autists have to see the world in very simple terms most of the time, they can't comprehend nuance. So when they know they're a failure of a man, and society tells them some men are actually women in a man's body, it fills the gap and they decide they're a woman. It helps that autists are also very emotionally deadened a lot of the time, meaning that the normal "what the fuck am I doing?" self doubt doesn't hit them as hard.

Anyone try the fitgirl repack for nuDoom ?

Im condering giving it a go as a stress test for some of the new hardware I recently installed ?

The repack brings down the filezie conderably, I think it gets it down to 30GB.

>>14714413

Estrogen, diversity and kike propaganda.

>>14714535

This issue with Doom isn't the nutters, it's that the nutters are running the place.

>>14705063

What's wrong with it?

>>14715082

Could you dump the animations? I might be able to fix it.

I have no idea what file type Doom images are by the way so I don't know how I should export it after I'm done.

>>14715087

All those images are in png, so you don't have to worry about it. If you are done with it let me know so that I can credit you on the next commit.

https://www65.zippyshare.com/v/YWJNm0SA/file.html

>>14714280

I still wonder why Japanese cartoons for little girls are so fucking popular on the internet, while the popularity of martial arts movies has diminished. Is it a shift in men from traditional, healthy masculinity to metropolitan femininity?

Best way to play quake1/2?