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4106ba No.14675115

>mfw threads for classic greats like FF7 and Ocarina of Time are always shit up by people calling them "overrated"

>mfw nobody ever calls out Doom for being overrated

If you asked me to define the word overrated I would answer with Doom. Seriously, I would show you the entry in the dictionary and there would be no words, just a picture of the Doom box art. It's a mindless, mediocre casual-as-fuck shooter that everyone worships like it's second coming of Christ for some reason.

Everything about it has aged terribly, if you agree there can be such a thing as games aging (most anyone on this board who has ever called a game "overrated" does). The art style does not work well with the ancient graphics–everything looks like a muddled, gravelly mess of ass. The gunplay is bare-bones. Enemy shots have a travel time and you can see them coming, which when combined with your character's Sanic speed means you can dodge bullets if you're even remotely competent. There are no complexities–no objectives, no stealth mechanics, no surprises, no failure condition aside from death–so all you're doing is just running into places like Rambo and shooting literally anything that moves. As a result of all this, no strategy or thought or planning of any sort is required. The only real challenge the game presents is the mazelike level design, which isn't so much a test of any kind of skill as a test of patience. An untrained monkey could navigate the levels given enough time.

I don't even think it's a bad game, for its time anyway. It just doesn't deserve all the goddamn messianic worship it gets, especially on a board that can't have a thread on FF7 or OoT without people bickering about how overrated they are (to the point where you could argue they are no longer overrated due to how often they are called that).

tl;dr Doomfags need to take off their nostalgia goggles and stop shitting on any FPS that isn't their sacred cow. They're like Souls fanboys, except DaS is actually good.

95346a No.14675150

Doom is overrated but saying something is overrated is about as milquetoast and safe a statement anyone can say. Countering the claim that it's not overrated is something easily refuted with a simple "yes it is, here's some 10 year old gaiafags praising it."

Basically if you say something is overrated as a conclusion you need to kill yourself and make a real argument.


3893f2 No.14675165

>>14675160

good job killing your own thread


ffde44 No.14675193

>>14675115

>don't even think it's a bad game, for its time anyway

>DaS is actually good.

Its painfully apparent you think is shit and are just mad that people like it.

It was hovere very good by the standards of its time so you're just a fag and should propably go somewhere else to blogpost?


9ed90d No.14675195

FF7 is garbage.


83b3c2 No.14675206

>>14675115

>I don't even think it's a bad game, for its time anyway.

<All his post is sperging because he is comparing it by today's standards

OP being a fag as usual


0cc262 No.14675207

Retarded, spoiled ugly white cucks and hags are irrefutable proof hipsters need literal fucking genocide for the good of humanity.

Literally purge contrarians.


9d74de No.14675227

File: ca57d6fc0e767e9⋯.png (63.53 KB, 750x650, 15:13, 1520901622.png)

FF7 aged pretty badly, mostly because of the graphics. People who say it's overrated are mostly talking about the story and comparing it to the other 20-something entries in the franchise.

OoT aged really badly because the controls are awful.

Doom plays pretty much exactly as you'd expect after a little bit of keymapping. It's timeless. There's also not really much to compare it to outside of games like Duke 3D and Quake which generally fall by the wayside when pitted against Doom 2's map design or Doom's moddability as a whole.

Doom is a game people still dedicate themselves to today. FF7 has dedicated fans but that's more along the lines of fanfiction and roleplaying. OoT doesn't have dedicated fans outside of the people who maybe do a playthrough of it once a year.


0cc262 No.14675239

>>14675231

I'm talking about "sjws", you raging presumptuous faggot. I'm not even going to validate with any kind of undeserved respect whatsoever and edgy nonargumentive retards on /v/ only raise my hatred towards hipsters and aggression even more.


fd2970 No.14675246

>>14675115

>FF7

FF7 is shit, every time a new console releases fucking Cloud needs to be remastered some fucking how. I haven't played it and wont play it due to the fan faggotry FF1 is better.

>OoT

Majora's Mask is better honestly

>Doom

Can't play an FPS from that time without thinking of Doom honestly.


83b3c2 No.14675248

This just in: OP has been so assblasted that instead of replying with counter-arguments has made another thread

>>14675236

>>14675236

>>14675236


2b25a2 No.14675252

>>14675115

Even Dirge of cerberus is better than ff7


675d92 No.14675262

>everything I don't like is overrated

And hey, I agree with you, Doom's okay but really the only thing that deserves praise is how easy it is to port to anything and everything, that's far more fun than the game ever was, but it all comes down to taste.

Stalker is literally slavic Bethesdashit, complete with the same MODS WILL FIX IT attitude. That's a truly overrated game for ya.


c5ccc4 No.14675263

File: 7f78165fe093244⋯.gif (1.46 MB, 500x375, 4:3, shadman.gif)

>>14675115

Calling a game overrated isn't even an argument. No seriously, what is it supposed to prove? If it's supposed to be a statement on a game's quality, implying that it's not as good as everyone thinks by saying it's 'overrated' is an incredibly roundabout way of saying things. Just say it's fucking shit. There's a purpose for it if you want to talk about the perception of a game, but why would you waste your time talking about how people see a game rather than talking about the game itself?

However, instead of ignoring meaningless posts about his favourite games written by people who want to say something without saying anything, OP decides to take his butthurt out on other games as if to show an intangible cloud of anonymous users what for, that their favourite game is shit too. Though OP can only do so via a reductive summary of the game itself and holding it to standards which can't even apply to Doom, like trying to compare apples with pears. Funnily enough he shits on Doom for things he also likes in Ocarina of Time.

However, if these posts >>14675231 >>14675248 are anything to go by, OP is just venting frustration instead of inciting actual discussion, so unless OP proves himself to be able to maintain some kind of composure, replying any more in this thread or trying to dissect his bullshit isn't worth any more effort if by the looks of it he's only going to reply to me with a shitpost.


394fb8 No.14675274

The issue with doom is that a lot of the time you clear out the level and then spend an hour running around it trying to find the secret area. It took me a solid couple of hours to beat the game. Maybe i'm retarded? I do not know.


0ef472 No.14675282

>>14675263

OP is a fucking idiot, but I wouldn't mind talking about games that are highly overrated. DOOM still stands the test of time, however one can argue that OoT is outclassed by both GTA 3 and DMC. 3D Zelda is general is just ranges from terrible to mediocre. Look of breath of the wild, one could say it was meant to be a breath of fresh air. Only to have a mostly empty world, bad combat mechanics, and not a whole ton to do other than experiment with the TECHNOLOGY made by Nintendo. If anything it was a breath of the same air we've been breathing for years from AAA games, and I think everyone who cares about games is sick of it.

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dac04c No.14675283

OG doom is pretty much a meme at this point. Also I've seen this exact OP before…


0ef472 No.14675295

Sorry, forgot to clear the name field. No bully

>>14675283

Maybe so, but it's mod community is one of the most dedicated in vidya, maybe just as much as the Sonic community.


9abac6 No.14675312

>>14675115

>Enemy shots have a travel time and you can see them coming, which when combined with your character's Sanic speed means you can dodge bullets if you're even remotely competent.

There is nothing wrong with enemies not being hitscan.


3893f2 No.14675318

>>14675274

>secret areas being hard to find are a problem

huh?


1f4658 No.14675438

File: de10ee73b82be40⋯.png (141.32 KB, 477x474, 159:158, de10ee73b82be40bc67088e832….png)

>>14675115

If you really wanted to talk about Doom and how you feel it's not as good as others say it is, then you would have never brought up the other games. This just comes off as you're upset that people shit on popular games you like and you're using Doom as a excuse to make others seem like hypocrites while you're comparing 2 completely different genres and audiences. You don't even understand that some of the depth in Doom comes from the enemy designs, how they behave, how to properly stun them, and what threat they are to the player. The hitscan humans are the biggest threat as you can't dodge their projectiles though they don't do much damage. Meanwhile you have bulky enemies who constantly chase you down and absorb shots while the bigger enemies with heavier weapons shoot at you in a way that makes it hard to move in the opposite direction you're going.

As for FF7, there are many RPGs that have better gameplay than it. It's baby's first RPG and that's why it's so beloved. I don't think it's a bad game though. Just outclassed by many other games. As for OoT, it's good but I find MM better. I also think Zelda was best when it was 2D though. The puzzles were much better thought out, the world was built more like a large puzzle, and the games in general were much more difficult. I find it very hard to die in any Zelda past LttP.

>>14675282

>I wouldn't mind talking about games that are highly overrated.

What would there be to talk about? The Last of Us, God of War 4, PUBG? I don't really see a point in talking about them.


1a3e04 No.14675440

>>14675115

>Everything about it has aged terribly,

Music is still great but yes, it's not even the best of the old school fpses.


b96667 No.14675446

>>14675115

>(1)


1a3e04 No.14675447

>>14675282

>Post last edited at 04/21/18 (Sat) 16:00:57

What was changed?


a20470 No.14675465

File: e765d5178616fd2⋯.png (46.28 KB, 1270x120, 127:12, ClipboardImage.png)

>>14675447


5b245e No.14675500

File: 857a3a14d5cede7⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 18.74 KB, 128x128, 1:1, Whats under the spoiler.png)

>>14675263

Calling a game overrated can be used to summarize an argument, I find. As in "I think X game is overrated because Y game did the same thing but better and even then game X does A, B and C wrong and thus is not deserving of such praise". It's still weaksauce even if you back it up, since there's still a high probability there's something good about what's being discussed anyway (within reason, garbage like Life is Strange or Night in the Woods are extremely overrated and are unsalvageable as games).

>>14675440

Well yeah, Doom's OST is just midified classic metal.

>>14675438

Guess that's it then. Shit thread and (1) and done OP. You know what to do.


85e56c No.14675589

File: e435c612dea4538⋯.png (22.59 KB, 333x424, 333:424, 1421567215808.png)

Doom is a timeless game in the way that the original incarnations of Mario and Zelda were: they're games based around simple mechanics executed in a highly satisfying way. There are no distracting storylines to waste your time, no unnecessary mission objectives shoehorned in to take away from the action, and the graphics do exactly what they're supposed to while leaving room to your imagination.

Do you not like classic arcade shooters like Robotron or Space Harrier either?

Regardless, you're a faggot.


770746 No.14675637

>>14675115

What is your opinion on Serious Sam?


1a3e04 No.14675648

>>14675465

>Check logs

>Mark edited it

Wow.


c46061 No.14675680

>>14675227

Doom's dedicated audience is only thanks to the WADs. Otherwise, it'd have basically the same dedication that Ocarina of Time has. It's a fun shooter, but it has aged poorly and been surpassed by other superior shooters. Go play some fucking Quake.

On the contrary, I don't know if OoT would have the same dedication as Doom has if it were more moddable. The reason for that mostly being the hardware it's on, copyright issues, and just simply not being an easy game to make levels for


c46061 No.14675710

>>14675282

>>14675295

Kill yourself Mark.


6a285c No.14675774

File: 57fa23b3401ceff⋯.png (1.51 MB, 1456x1600, 91:100, 63391083_p0.png)

>>14675680

>I don't know if OoT would have the same dedication as Doom has if it were more moddable. The reason for that mostly being the hardware it's on, copyright issues, and just simply not being an easy game to make levels for

Probably since things like Zelda dungeons are like Mega Man levels, wherein one stage on its own is dependent of factors tied into the others. With DOOM levels, you can have only one level dedicated and, if built right, can be pistol started and well recognized as its own little setpiece. A lot of Mario levels are the same way. Even Mario Maker shows it can be done (barring making 1ups feel pretty useless at times), since they're self-contained like DOOM levels are.

Zelda and Mega Man stages work best in their set ways. Linear or nonlinear Zelda titles have their dungeons set up based on what items and equipment you have or don't have. Mega Man levels can vary in how they're tackled depending on which weapons you have, what weaknesses there are. There have been makers and hacked versions of Zelda and Mega Man games, but they work best as whole sets rather than on a stage by stage basis, since they're built in that regard. It would be like if every DOOM WAD required to be an episode or MegaWAD in order to see its potential. It's not wrong either way, but that's how the mechanics between them differ.


457f7f No.14675796

But FF7 was a garbage follow up to FF6. It only gets the praised because of the hype for a 3D JRPG at the time.


2c7c31 No.14675826

>>14675115

There's easier ways to be bullied, OP.


83b3c2 No.14675866

>>14675500

Too good to not be checked


77aabd No.14675867

You are right OP, Serious Sam is a superior game.


abd653 No.14676546

>>14675867

Serious sam invented retro shooters.


77aabd No.14676574

>except DaS is actually good.

Nice one OP.


d472e6 No.14676601

>blaming doomfags for calling all these games overrated

nigger doomfags are cool and stick to their own threads; they don't mess around with JRPGs and other shit. They know what they like and don't like and I rarely see doomfags shit up non-doom threads, unless its a shooter like nu-Doom, and even then I see more legitimate arguments pop up against games when doomfags arrive to shit on it anyways

You chose a retarded group to be mad at, OP. The people who call FF7 and OoT overrated are either shitposters who have successfully gotten under your skin, or marketers trying to change /v/ consensus because calling something "overrated" doesn't mean anything. It just means that it doesn't live up to the hype that's presented about it, which in those games' cases is ridiculously high so its not even necessarily untrue.

They can still be outright masterpieces, however.

You'll know when you play those games and get into legitimate discussions with those that hate and love the games respectively. Don't rely on /v/ 's opinion when it comes to anything negative unless they can show an actual argument, because its 10x easier to shit on a game than praise it without looking like a shill


3c1cc7 No.14678954

FF7 and Ocarina of Time are great games.

Only the contrarians think otherwise. Filter and report.


4106ba No.14679582

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>14675637

This video explains it


c5ccc4 No.14679593

>>14679582

That doesn't explain anything


4106ba No.14679738

>>14679593

Yes it does.


c94a8b No.14680412

>classic greats like FFVII

You can stop this now. We've had long enough for the hype to wear off and can evaluate this game for what it is.

FFVII is fun while it lasts, but replayability is significantly hampered by several factors:

1. The game is far too easy. Even with the very limited resources of a low-level playthrough running from every random battle, the game absolutely struggles to provide genuinely challenging bosses. It does not do enough to encourage the player to take advantage of its strategic depth, and as a result said depth is inconsequential and wasted as a source of replay variety.

2. Too much unskippable exposition between real gameplay chunks. Not an unexpected feature for a Squaresoft RPG but it's always a valid and important criticism.

Overall, 7/10 and that's being generous. It's a 7 instead of a 6 because I've always thought the game had a strong array of side quests. Sadly, they don't last beyond that singular 100% playthrough experience that everyone does once. A 7/10 is not a "classic great".


599456 No.14680416

Because doom is objectively good game and not just "product of its time"


95346a No.14680421

>>14679582

so you like it?


c94a8b No.14680458

>>14679582

>NES and arcade games were hard… as a gimmick! Games shouldn't be challenging, they're about having fun! Testing your skills is a waste of time.

I have a feeling that Serious Sam probably is in fact shit, but I just can't take the opinion seriously of a cocksucking casual faggot who makes arguments like this.


31f2da No.14680523

nice bait goon, but I'm not fooled

>enemy shots have a travel time and you can see them coming, which when combined with your character's Sanic speed means you can dodge bullets if you're even remotely competent.

This tells me you've never actually played Doom or you've only played Brutal Doom. Bullets are hitscan, they have NO travel time. You've never actually played Doom at a higher than casual level.


0cc262 No.14680857

I know hipsters are regressively pathetic existences, but making a thread just to shit on Doom?


c94a8b No.14681902

Doom criticism should not be off-limits. Bump.


2bd20e No.14683861

>>14681902

I would like to state that Doom stands beyond any criticism. If any man should attempt to criticize this game, he should be thoroughly patronized for his obviously Jewish behavior.


31fcb6 No.14683864

>>14675115

>wah wah people are not falling for my nostalgia shit

Fags like you are the reason there are morrowind threads today and there will be soy of war threads one day in the future.



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