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0622b8 No.14643389
Are we entering an era where every capeshit game is going to be aping the Arkham combat from now on? Because this shit looks barely better than Shadow of Soydor.
Also, PS4 exclusive? Way to go Marvel, you just gave up on around 70% of the potential market for this game by giving in to Sony's ego.
71e456 No.14643394
Peter dies at the end of this game and is replaced with El goblin for the final act.
648d19 No.14643424
sony owns the rights to spiderman's games and film so, talk to them if you want it to go multiplatform you dumb nigger.
0622b8 No.14643431
>>14643424
Which didn't stop every other Spider-Man game being multiplatform.
648d19 No.14643436
>>14643431
because they weren't made on sony's behalf. go cry to sony about it, sour grapes.
869d9c No.14643480
>>14643389
>Are we entering an era where every capeshit game is going to be aping the Arkham combat from now on?
That was years ago and also applied to all other action games in the west.
>>14643424
All games? Oh well, not like something good could come out these days anyway.
93bb5e No.14643494
>>14643436
>Sour grapes
It's not about console exclusivity you fucking retard. It's about 1st party games from Sony being fucking trash and people wanting a competent developer behind these games. Spiderman has a legacy in gaming shared with fucking Dragonball, the fact that they gave it to hacks like insomniac is both disgraceful and fustrating.
93bb5e No.14643520
>>14643480
The part that hurts is that Western game developers are capable of good games. They're just being held back by corporate suits, political interests, game journalism fucking with statistics, etc
02544b No.14643673
I don’t think you’re actually watching the same footage. You can fucking juggle enemies. It’s like they finally realized how to make a good game.
bf2305 No.14643691
>>14643389
Honestly its good that this piece of shit is only in the ps4. Prevents somewhat normalfags from propping it up and spawning copycats.
8bde8d No.14643744
Did they get rid of the stupidly colored costume from last E3?
52a709 No.14643781
>>14643389
This looks even worse than Arkham combat, and even more automated.
Also, holy shit those animations look janky as fuck. There's no weight to the hits at all. And it looks janky as fuck the way the web-shooting/enemy throwing snaps to other enemies unnaturally fast, like an aimbot.
bf2305 No.14643799
>>14643781
>those animations look janky as fuck
Nothing looks worse then being able to magically run up a building instead of slamming into it.
231800 No.14643876
>>14643389
meh
it's gonna be pozed, that's my only gripe with this
i enjoy brainles fighting mechanics, i enjoyed them back when i played Maximum Carnage, no reason to start hating on casual tier combar now, in games like this the fun usually comes from stalking enemies, traversing the world and maibe solving a puzzle here and there
i just hope it has a decent bossfight at least, Maybe i'm asking to much by expecting a boss like Mr Freeze in Arkaham City
But if the game turns out to be shit at least the cinematic combat will make for an entretaining playthrough watch on youtube if i have nothing better to do
come to think of it
it's kinda Ironic that this kind of dumbed down cinematic combat makes games more apealing to watch than to actually play, yet despite all the shekkels sony spend on exclusivity deals they don't even try to shut down playtrhoughs of they're "cinematic experiences"
f58ebd No.14643879
>>14643494
>It's about 1st party games from Sony being fucking trash
Well, thats just like your opinion man
231800 No.14643906
>>14643494
>the fact that they gave it to hacks like insomniac is both disgraceful and fustrating
i haven't kept up with Imsomniac, i know they made Spyro, Ratchet and Clank, some FPS that lame Zombies Ate My Neighbourgs/Jet Set Radio ripoff for the Xbone, an underwater meh-troidvania and a Ratchet remake that everybody hates
I don't think they have fucked up so bad as to deserve the same scorn that EA and Ubishit get
af3595 No.14644162
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>>14643906
>I don't think they have fucked up so bad as to deserve the same scorn that EA and Ubishit get
<View Insomniac Games’ video statement on current US immigration policy
3b3064 No.14644210
The problem with a Spider-man game is that where random criminals with no powers are concerned, Spider-man might as well be Superman, because he's so far up the food chain compared to thugs with guns that it's not even funny, and any game where the protagonist is leagues stronger than his typical enemy is absolutely going to be shit.
869d9c No.14644235
>>14643520
At this point I'm not so sure. Culturally speaking game design in the west is in the shitter, nothing but approval for anti-gameplay philosophies.
>>14643691
It's already a copycat. A late one at that.
>>14644210
Which is why being creative (and not lethal) should play a role but hey, why make an interesting game, both mechanically and faithful to the source material, when you can just shit out another Bamham button masher and get shining press reception, player reception AND sales?
0622b8 No.14644275
>>14644210
That is incorrect. Spider-Man can still be hurt by bullets, knives, baseball bats, etc. He's stronger, faster and more durable than the average mook, just like Batman, but he can still be killed very easily if he's too careless. Superman, on the other hand, is so far high-up that he could literally just stand there and soak up bullet fire, punch through a reinforced steel door like it's paper and is so goddamn fast that he could literally blitz an entire army in less than the blink of an eye.
With Superman, the accepted wisdom is that you have to dumb him down, give him a shitload of extremely debilitating weaknesses or prevent him from learning new skills to make movies or games with him fun. I disagree and I think a game where Superman is played to the maximum and has suitably challenging foes that can hurt him with ordinary crooks being a sort of "for fun" thing where you can take them out in creative ways for the hell of it could be very entertaining.
72c3af No.14644287
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>>14643389
>GaymeInformer
Hooktube link.
af3595 No.14644288
>>14644275
>I disagree and I think a game where Superman is played to the maximum and has suitably challenging foes that can hurt him with ordinary crooks being a sort of "for fun" thing where you can take them out in creative ways for the hell of it could be very entertaining.
I was just thinking that they could make a Superman beat 'em up.
15d745 No.14644297
>>14644275
Thanks to Spidey Sense+Increased Agility he's basically untouchable for generic guns and weapons mooks.
They are only really any kind of threat to him when he has his Spidey Sense disabled, like when affected by Mysterio's shit.
0622b8 No.14644736
>>14644297
Yes but he still has to try and MOVE his ass not to get hit. In a game, that's on the player. It's not like the game is automatically dodging for you. Not to mention, even in comics, Spider-Man constantly gets hit even with his Spider-Sense on. He's not invincible.
cdbf62 No.14644902
>>14644288
>recommending NG sigma series
sigma 1 is passable but sigma 2 ruins NG2
3b3064 No.14644943
>>14644275
I guess I didn't really finish making my point.
My point is, with his web shooters, Spider-Man can incapacitate anyone who isn't super strong in the blink of an eye. Any goon with a melee weapon should be instantly webbed and harmless, and anyone with a gun has to be quicker on the draw than Spider-Man, which would be impressive at best and implausible at worst, meaning the only real threat to Spider-Man in a game should be a potential high volume of gunfire, which would necessitate stealth takedowns, meaning the actual challenge in a Spider-Man game would realistically be webbing potential gunmen before they can properly take aim at you.
I just can't take this gameplay footage seriously when I see Spider-Man jumping around melee opponents, pulling them towards him, pulling himself towards them, punching them, kicking them, dodging them and all this pointless effort when he's also shown to be perfectly capable of just netting them on the spot, rendering them completely immobile. When the entire combat system of a game is canonically superfluous and inefficient, there needs to be a reason for why the character would even bother. Does he just love cracking skulls, is he taking his frustrations out on these thugs, is he just really bored and doesn't care about them, is he practicing his techniques for when he has to deal with more powerful enemies? None of these possibilities really seem very Spider-Manly to me. After all, this is the "with great power comes great responsibility" guy we're talking about here, and him beating the shit out of slower, weaker, dumber, and less agile punks on the street is like if I hung around a kindergarten and started pummeling little kids.
>TL;DR, Insomniac didn't figure out how to make the player feel badass without also turning Spider-Man into a sociopath.
1ff41d No.14645046
>>14644943
The problem is that Spiderman doesn't have infinite amount of web, since it's artificial and not organic like in the Raimi movies. I don't know if the game will have this mechanic or not, but the PS1 game did, and you needed web for both navigating the environment and fighting enemies. You could use web for extra damage(some sort of web fists) or you could permanently incapacitate and enemy if you used a high amount of web, or simply stun him with a small quantity of web. Of course if you didn't have that much web or if you wanted to conserve, you could just punch and kick them for less damage and a higher risk of getting hit, since the web shooter was mostly a long range weapon. You had to manage your web reserves. In the 90s cartoons there were plenty of fights were Spiderman could gotten the upper hand in a fight, but his web capsule ran out, and he had to reload during a fight, or during an escape through New York city.
So here is how you could limit Spiderman to not just snipe every enemy he sees with his web shooter.
1ff41d No.14645050
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>>14645046
Might as well post a video, the gameplay starts at the 7:00 mark.
c0db6e No.14645054
oh look its this thread again
8bde8d No.14645240
>>14645046
> You had to manage your web reserves. In the 90s cartoons there were plenty of fights were Spiderman could gotten the upper hand in a fight, but his web capsule ran out, and he had to reload during a fight, or during an escape through New York city.
This was in the comics too. In Spider-Girl he even scolds May for not keeping her web sprayers fully supplied because of how many issues it got him in.
As for further weakness, webbing is also flammable and cutable.
93f66a No.14645298
There is something off about that costume.
All i saw were qte and button prompts and the fact that Insoymniac made last good game more than a decade ago does fill me with confidence.
648d19 No.14645307
>>14643494
>Also, PS4 exclusive? Way to go Marvel, you just gave up on around 70% of the potential market for this game by giving in to Sony's ego.
>Also, PS4 exclusive?
>Also, PS4 exclusive?
>Also, PS4 exclusive?
>Also, PS4 exclusive?
kys sour grapes faggot
0d4a40 No.14645322
>70%
tbh PS4 is about 70% of the market for normalfag shit
bc7682 No.14645573
>>14644943
Aaaa fuck off nigger. The best Spider-Man game still had him punch and dodge and crack skulls and not web sniping like the shitty game you want…you are just finding shit to complaint about becasue it needs to be hated on to be the cool kid on the block. There is more to hate on this game and is surely not this fucking BS you talk about…
4ac362 No.14645655
db0746 No.14645664
>tfw no green lantern game with a create a construct mode and online war of the lights multiplayer component
15c311 No.14645669
>>14645664
How would you even do a Green Lantern game without limiting peoples imagination?
648d19 No.14645672
>>14645655
>god why is sony having this game made for their platform! It's such a shit game but I want it on EVERY PLATFORM FUCK SONY GIVE ME MY GAME
d93e5f No.14645726
We already have a piderman thread:
>>14627726
5be577 No.14647769
>>14643389
Capeshit is so big in film it'll keep having games made for a few years yet I'm afraid.
7bc9a7 No.14648049
I legit thought this thread had new information to justify why its a separate thread.
>>14643389
>yt embed
>no webms or hooktube
Hope this game bombs to send a message
25807b No.14651762
>>14647769
Capeshit sells thanks to BTT.
12ad39 No.14658248
>>14645664
Green Lantern doesn't sell to normalfags.
d58ce9 No.14663273
>>14658248
They'll find a way to market him, probably casting a nigger.
855034 No.14663326
>>14663273
They can use John Stewart during his turn as Green Lantern and accomplish exactly that.
861007 No.14666448
>>14643673
>he thinks this is innovation
>he thinks this is fun combat
WEB OF SHADOWS
GO PLAY IT
a393fb No.14666467
>>14666448
Web of Shadows is great.
861007 No.14666471
>>14645650
What is this and why did you circle the red?
>>14644288
>Legend of Korra
>Sengoku Basara
>Devil May Cry 1
That image is garbage
a318a8 No.14666474
>>14666471
>dmc1
>trash
Kill yourself faggot
fc5cda No.14666539
>Are we entering an era where every capeshit game is going to be aping the Arkham combat from now on
Yes. And this is a good thing
>Every Super Hero game that doesn't use Arkham combat has really bad combat
>Everyone keeps saying "Well just make a new combat system"
>Except prior to Arkham combat every super hero game had clunky as fuck melee combat
>People just expect developers to reinvent the wheel when in reality people just want a fun combat system that isn't broken and a chore to actually play.
Spiderman especially has an issue with melee combat in his games because it is just button masher nonsense. Say what you will about Arkham games (just spam counter bro) at least you have to actually incorporate timing and not just mash the x button to win.
66c487 No.14666550
>>14666539
> at least you have to actually incorporate timing and not just mash the x button to win.
surely you jestin
fc5cda No.14666568
>>14666550
>surely you jestin
Especially as the game goes on and you start fighting enemies you can't use counter on who require other moves. (Guys with shields, guys with knives etc). The game also rewards you for varying your attacks and using the player's gadgets. (Like using the batclaw/explosive gel is actually much more overpowered than counter)
Spiderman games have this issue where the only thing that matters is pushing the X button. At the very least Arkham combat requires more than just a single button to fight bad guys.
b158bb No.14666570
>>14663326
>SJWs kill off iconic, white characters to replace them with token characters high on the progressive stack
>would have a blank stare if you ask them why they don't just do something with John Stewart, Mr. Terrific, Static Shock, Steel, Cyborg, ect.
They don't want to see more black characters. They want to see less white ones.
fc5cda No.14666582
>>14666568
There's also ways to modify Arkham combat in such a way that it becomes significantly more timing based. A good example is on NG+ in these games the alert for countering turns off.
In Sleeping Dogs which also had Arkham combat something it did I really liked was if you use counter at the wrong moment the player pauses for a few seconds and can't move until the animation ends. Which means if you just spam counter you actually open yourself up to taking damage.
060915 No.14666633
I think the arkham combat is the pinnacle of third person melee games and anyone who says otherwise is just an edgy faggot who probably hasn't even played the games because he saw some webm of a greasy autist sperging out and screaming at a game.
ed6033 No.14666636
32b0c9 No.14666653
What's the best example of 3rd person combat?
66c487 No.14666660
060915 No.14666726
DMC is fucking awful though.
66c487 No.14666756
>>14666633
>>14666726
How about you kill yourself?
060915 No.14666771
374800 No.14666861
>>14666582
Sequel never fucking ever
>>14666726
>DMC
>awful
I bet you thought TLoU was a technical marvel.
60984d No.14666890
>>14666726
agreed, nothing compares to mount & blade, die by the sword, and rune. It's a shame japs ruined third person action games.
ed6033 No.14666930
>>14666890
those games have really archaic crappy combat though
75f1c9 No.14667125
>>14645669
Wonderful 101? It's not that hard to implement a similar system and expand on it thousandfold. Make various games if needed that constantly expand on the constructs and the ways you can make them.
>>14666471
>DMC1
>Sengoku Basara
>Trash
How much dick do you like gargling you contrarian?
68d9d9 No.14667487
I wish there was a spider woman but she would be the spider that likes to mate with males then kills them but collects their seed. There should be a game like that.
e85432 No.14667666
>>14644288
I thought Basara was a Musou?
I've only played DMC1 and I can't remember much of it. How toaster friendly is the HD collection?
fb845b No.14667729
>>14666539
The problem is that they only become shallow copies of eachother and doesn't feel like your playing the superhero. I mean, a regular dude like Batman jumping down onto 5 guys with knives and beating them in hand-to-hand combat is just retarded.
Also i would like a little bit slower pace, more tactical and choice, especially as Spider-man. You should be able to just tie up the mugger with a spider-web to retrieve the stolen purse to some chick. Not everything has to be a combo-fest.