dc7ae9 No.14632239
It seems like the idea should work but it always fails.
>Evolve: $200 of bad dlc on day one, died and killed the company
>Friday the 13th: Outsourced by the owners of the movies copyright after they saw all the buzz for a 'inspired by Ft13th' indie game they shut the fuck down, turned out to be an SJW ran nightmare that also crashed and burned
>Resident Evil 6: what needs to be said
It seems like Dead by Daylight is the only one still going purely because the mainstream crowd and socjus never latched on to it. One game doens't exactly seem like the idea is popular.
Do you want more examples of it?
b87d2c No.14632248
Any multiplayer that relies on teamwork will ultimately fail because the average online gamer has an IQ of about 80.
dc7ae9 No.14632254
>>14632248
Thats the thing though. I agree but for some reason R6: Siege survives even with its rampant team killing issue.
9d6ef4 No.14632277
>>14632248
Always play with friends
f2c43e No.14632293
>>14632254
Because some super autist can ace and win anyway?
f2c43e No.14632297
Also OP, spies v mercs was always very popular.
b87d2c No.14632304
>>14632277
My friends are the "LOL ANON WANNA PLAY PUBG? xD" types.
e46628 No.14632313
>>14632239
but dead by daylight is fucking awful
the "killer" is fucking impotent
992743 No.14632319
>>14632239
DBD is extremely imbalanced in the survivors favor though and most of the killers are either shit tier or redundant because another killer can do what they do better than them.
ef9e1e No.14632344
Nigger, how have you never heard of Natural Selection?
ef9e1e No.14632351
>>14632304
Why are you friends with shit tastes?
dc7ae9 No.14632352
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>>14632313
isn't that just based on builds?
b87d2c No.14632372
>>14632351
They weren't always that bad. They just never developed a sense of pride and distinction.
702871 No.14632374
>>14632352
It's heavily based on it and RNG, which makes the game fucking terrible. You're basically fucked playing either side until you can grind up enough shit and getting lucky that you can make a proper build, but until then you'll be getting stomped. Bought this piece of shit for like 10 bucks and it was a huge waste of money.
8c7173 No.14632412
>>14632239
The genre is not the problem. Western devs (all of them) and other incompetent devs are the problem.
Give the genre to competent japanese devs (not Capcom and not Square-Enix) and they will make a good game.
dc7ae9 No.14632416
>>14632374
i know the feeling. i bought R6: Siege for £6 after /v/'s constant gushing threads and its nothing but tweens teamkilling, farming reactions for 'le ebig rage montages' on youtube to try and be the next pewdiepie and its a burning trashfire of disappointment.
8c7173 No.14632418
>>14632351
Which is reason enough for you to abandon them and start over with real people as friends.
96533a No.14632422
>>14632239
>It seems like the idea should work but it always fails
>always fails
>pic related
It doesn't have the greatest player base in terms of numbers, but it's still fun. It's also a good example of how a 3-team multiplayer can work if done correctly.
dc7ae9 No.14632431
>>14632422
It seems like theres two kinds of 'asymmetrical' for multiplayer. One where its very different styles of play per team or one where its different numbers of players like 4 vs 1. None of them seem to work longterm though.
58e108 No.14632445
>>14632418
>start over with real people as friends.
Why don't you ask him to find a unicorn while you're at it?
9d6ef4 No.14632454
>>14632304
Then try making friends with the people playing your favorite /v/-approved vidya, I started playing gaylo Reach about a year ago from a 5ish year hiatus from the xbox and met a group of about 8 dedicated players and we play customs, matchmaking etc nearly everynight and shitpost till early morn
687fb1 No.14632462
The only somewhat decent 'asymmetrical' game I ever enjoyed was Nosgoth. However the devs were a bunch of incompetent subhumans who turned it F2P and killed it even more. Absolutely zero content and repetitive maps killed it. They also never rebalanced the classes and each map would end with the absolute annihilation of one team. Either the Vampires would absolutely slaughter the human team or the Humans would decimate the Vampires. It was never a mix or a close call. Always one team would have the upper hand based completely on what weapons/classes the majority of players would choose in each team.
dc7ae9 No.14632509
>>14632454
>talking to people you dont know in games.
b87d2c No.14632532
>>14632454
These days I mostly play shit like Dom5 anyway, something where I know people aren't 12
271269 No.14632562
>>14632418
>getting friends irl to play games with
This never works. Get people in a certain game community to be friends with, way better than that. Plus you don't have to fear saying "I niggered" by accident and then find out how his gf is black and now he won't talk to you during class etc. Yeah I played a Csgo match with a hapa and this happened.
a6d3cc No.14632710
Good asymmetrical multiplayer:
>Varied maps with designs that favor the play styles of one team the closer you get to their base
>Encourages teamwork by having players fill niches such as skirmishers who can single out lone targets and captains who can hold their own in a larger fight
>designed to have you change roles as the game goes on, adapting to challenges as you see fit, varied classes on each team fill niches but have no equivalent across the board
>balanced fairly well but far more reliant on teamwork and skill rather than picking the correct counter, relies on you learning enemy weaknesses and your own strengths
>players ultimately compete on an even ground without abstraction, but with a unique experience from every players perspective
Bad asymmetrical multiplayer:
<levels designed to have throwaway experiences, no effort given to balance, cheap solution is to have both teams do the same thing
<minimalist mechanics mean skill is irrelevant, hard counters and teamwork not being natural but a blatant buff
<level design shallowly engages with game mechanics, involves no learning of the design, just meant to be discarded upon completion - no mastery encouraged
<players compete on an even ground through repetition, straining the one-dimensional mechanics as far as they can be and ultimately not making for any unique experiences.
dc7ae9 No.14632757
>>14632710
What do you think about this in terms of Hunt: showdown?
4323ad No.14633008
>>14632248
>Worse than blacks from the street
30f0f5 No.14633080
>>14632454
>shitpost till early morning
When the fuck did "shitpost" become a word for fucking around in a voice chat or multiplayer game in general?
049588 No.14633103
>>14633080
It didn't, that's just probably a non-native english speaker confusing slang again. Shit, he's still playing halo on console even. What do you expect?
a11669 No.14633108
>>14632509
You used to be able to meet some really cool people doing that. One of my best friends is an online friend I met over 12 years ago and have met IRL. Of course, with the kinds of niggers and other shitskins that have infiltrated the internet since then and with more and more game devs moving away from the old chat-room model of online gaming, you can't really do that these days anymore.
30f0f5 No.14633174
>>14633103
I've heard it from some faggot youtubers as well though. You're probably right either way
7fbd45 No.14633204
I really think evolve would have been great if they didn't have a bunch of jews cramming money schemes into it from day 0, but further than that- if they took a stealth approach to the gameplay. Unfortunately for Moishe it doesn't make as exciting ESPORTS gameplay but if instead of the core gameplay revolving around leaping for the monster and jet boosting for hunters… if the monster did his best to hide and things like tracks, consumed corpses, birbs, and all other manner of things were used to oust the (until late game) physically weaker monster instead of literally having an alien dog that always knows where the monster is without having to follow a scent trail. Then, get rid of the FOUR PLAYER ROLE BASED CLASS BULLSHIT and allow players to take whatever loadout they want. Encourage melee weapons by having ranged weapons be a resource (powerful but limited in ammunition).
Combat should have been way more tactical than it was and they even casualized it by making all classes able to cast dome instead of just trapper (basically making him worthless) despite not removing class based selection, and removing the mechanic that shut the dome down if the trapper was downed, thus removing any need to protect the trapper and relegating him to a lower tier assault.
t. Got it almost for free because a relative gave me a gaymestop gift card that was going to sit unused forever until I saw evolve. I wanted it to be so good since I really like asymmetrical pvp but there was only trash.
3bd237 No.14633262
>>14632239
Natural Selection 2 is an okay game with asymmetrical multiplayer. The devs cucked out but it's still an okay game.
2b126d No.14633272
I want asymmetrical co-op. I want to play a badass heroes unit in a shooter while my friend play Company of Heroes from and RTS perspective and informs me where I'm needed most.
>>14632248
But the "survive a horror movie" games work because it's designed around people not knowing what they're doing.
3e2a41 No.14633284
I've got nothing against assymetrical gameplay but I haven't really seen any games that get it right. Either it's designed so that 1 player can carry the whole fucking team and everyone else is just a distraction OR the winner is already decided in the first 5 minutes and the rest of the match is a waste of fucking time until the actual game over.
>>14632254
That's because anyone with any practice in FPS games can solo kill the entire enemy team. When I played that shit game I aced all the fucking time and I'm not even that good.
58e108 No.14633309
>>14633272
>But the "survive a horror movie" games work because it's designed around people not knowing what they're doing.
Which is why Dead By Daylight fails when the survivors are semi-competent.
34cbd2 No.14633355
>>14632418
>real people
Most "people" don't even qualify as humans.
I've never once seen someone who was not a casual in real life.
>>14632562
>CS:GO
If you weren't the problem, I would say that's the problem.
121944 No.14633415
>>14632277
You don't get to bring friends.
33078e No.14633445
>>14632248
>Turns out I have an IQ of 95.
>I'm barely smarter than the average nigger.
Am I too dumb for games?
58e108 No.14633451
>>14633445
Not in this era.
9c5d42 No.14633462
>>14632239
RE6 was alright except too many people play with infinite ammo which made for a shit game when you're trying to invade
9c2e0e No.14633471
The problem with a lot of asymmetrical games is that they're based around a concept that inherently has one side be the awesome fun unique thing everyone wants to play, and the other side be boring generic shit that only exists because the cool side needs something to go up against and the devs couldn't figure out how to make the game work with both sides playing as the cool thing
d21365 No.14633474
>game has different factions with themed bonuses that constitute the "asymmetrical" part of the multiplayer
>people bitch about things being different until nerfs make everything the same
952808 No.14633476
>>14632248
Day of Defeat Source proves you wrong.
952808 No.14633494
>>14632412
Fucking kill yourself already.
9c5d42 No.14633514
>>14632412
>not Capcom and not Square-Enix
so you're saying a 2 hour RPG with hand drawn paper doll overlays on dlsite is the gold standard of competence?
3a8666 No.14633515
>>14632239
I liked versus mode in Left 4 Dead.
0836bc No.14633524
Left 4 Dead.
Alien Vs Predator.
Natural Selection 2.
Are all good examples of asymmetrical multiplayer done well.
What about RTS? Aren't games in the RTS genre basically founded on asymmetrical multiplayer? Be it protoss vs zerg or space marines vs orcs.
8aa330 No.14633541
>>14632239
Pretty Fun:Tremulous, Natural Selection, Left4Dead.
>>14632710
Learning the checkmate positions when playing smoker was pretty fun. Was probably the deadliest special infected against pubs.
bc4c23 No.14633565
>>14633515
I liked that mode too, but never had enough people to play with.
Only always just enough to play the survivors.
Playing the infected was really good, especially Hunter and Tank.
Boomer and Smoker are just ok.
952808 No.14633571
-Battlefield Vietnam
-Rising Storm 1/2
-Depth
-Splinter Cell
- Most RTS
-Most 4X
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bc4c23 No.14633575
There are also some Warcraft 3 minigames that are asymmetric.
952808 No.14633582
Oh yeah, almost forgot Zombie Panic, Zombie Master and The Hidden.
0836bc No.14633598
>>14633571
>-Battlefield Vietnam
>-Rising Storm 1/2
They really aren't asymmetrical.
4c535a No.14633607
>>14632239
Tarkov has the potential to be interesting if they implement this:
>Paid players get to bring whatever gear they like into a match
>Free players outnumber paid players by a significant margin, but have no armor, and start with either a double barrel shotgun or a Makarov
>Both groups can loot items, but free players can only keep it for that match.
34cbd2 No.14633865
>>14633571
Battlefield vietnam kind of fits but the differences are too small to matter.
Rising storm is shit, they delivered in everything but the gameplay.
Otherwise yeah OP is some casual faggot who only ever touched AAA shooters.
5b93c2 No.14633873
>>14633445
Average nigger IQ is 70 (85 in USA due to being roughly half-white on average). You're only a third of the way to retardville
945614 No.14633905
>>14633607
40k eternal crusade was supposed to be this way, with the whales playing as the space marines/eldar and the free players would be the green tide of orks and outnumbered the paid players 5:1, which would have been fucking awesome. instead we got asymmetrical multiplayer and the game died almost immediately
785080 No.14633940
Aliens vs Predator
Natural Selection
e8ce19 No.14633954
>>14632412
you should consider suicide.
5d546c No.14634019
My only experience with asymmetrical multiplayer was Left 4 Dead.
I liked playing hunters and smokers.
2f03ba No.14634029
>>14632566
>that webm
It's been a while.
Also, checked.
098acf No.14634091
>>14633607
>>14633905
It's a false assumption that Free players will outnumber paid players.
If they're playing the game on the regular, or investing anything into it, they're most likely going to be a paid player. If they barely play, or they don't have any real interest, they'll probably be a free player.
Now, the latter group doesn't play often, they don't get invested, and they'll probably play less and less as time goes on until they stop altogether. The former won't. See where the problem starts?
The 'tards for Eternal Crusade couldn't even figure this shit out.
9aba8c No.14634178
>>14634091
The concept would have worked. It wasn't going to be free to play but a 60 dollar product. There was a free version with only the Orkz as a playable race which would have been made up of a bunch of low IQ Brazilians playing the free version. Either way the other factions would have been filled out by the paying players or the occasional paid Nob unit that was the playable Ork class for people that purchased the game.
I have been seeing way too many misinformed cunts on this board lately. Kindly fuck off.
5432fb No.14634181
Asymmetrical multiplayer is fine under two conditions:
- Played as 1v1 or as pre-organized teams;
- Individuals or teams on each side get to choose what they play.
In this way, many RTS or fighting games, and I even suppose several FPS, have asymmetrical multiplayer and it's fine. If the balance is off, players might choose a different race or character or build that they think is best off and stick with running that.
Removing either of these conditions makes for terrible play though. Starting with the second, some people might want to play a game only in a specific way. If they are instead not given the option to play as they like, they may do dumb bullshit in the game and ruin the experience for anyone on the other end or any teammates they may have. Breaking the first point creates huge balance problems given variety in player skill. I've seen no system of grouping random players together into teams to play against each other that has been largely satisfying to members on either team and few systems that have done it well enough for 1v1, though those that are good enough for 1v1 could likely be good enough for even, pre-organized teams with enough population.
Uneven team games are absolutely awful because if the expectation of player skill for each group is slightly off during balance, those games can swing hugely in the favor of one side or another. The bottom of the barrel are games that turn the destroyed members of one team into new members of the other. One game I played in the past had a minigame that worked that way, and some people would simply sacrifice themselves to join and play on the other team, setting that team at a huge advantage to whatever could have been considered normal.
If I were to play any kind of asymmetrical multiplayer these days, I would want it to only be 1v1. Random teammates on the whole are unreliable.
098acf No.14634209
>>14634178
>Would have
A thin excuse. Explain to me why you think it'd be a good idea to have a bunch of low IQ brs shitting the entire game up en masse because 'muh hordes', or why you think the game wouldn't have regional servers and thus make that pointless because freefags don't invest much time into the game and don't stick around.
>Either way the other factions would have been filled out by the paying players
Yeah, and they would've dominated for this reason. Most people who will pay for the game will do so immediately. Free fags who are supposed to outnumber the paid players would start quitting when each paid player is flat out better than they are. It just does not work except to entice people into paying up like good little goyim so they don't get curbstomped.
Of course, unless the game was good, and it never was going to be that good even if you took all the hopes and dreams the devs spat out and believed them, most people will fuck off because there's better shit to play.
a3c1e9 No.14634938
>>14633445
>caring about (((IQ)))
7515e6 No.14635042
Natural Selection 2 and both Left 4 Dead games come to mind as doing a great job at offering very different perspectives but still leaving a level playing field.
I also enjoy it if RTS games go the extra mile with regards to the factions differences.
f1b5cd No.14635057
>>14633476
DoD is ancient by internet standards, of course the community is a little more mature. The same goes for Dominions or other "complicated" games.
bc7ea8 No.14635067
Left 4 Dead is the perfect example of devs unintentionally making a good game. The team behind l4d made Evolve after they left Valve and look how that turned out…
a6d3cc No.14635079
>>14633476
day of defeat source is terrible and highly homogenized. 1.3 is the only version that matters, source is one of valve's worst games ever made.
f1fe05 No.14635324
>>14632239
>but it always fails.
>l4d is fail
>BF is fail
pls.
f1fe05 No.14635382
>>14633471
If you are talking about that sort of symmetrical multiplier it can be balanced via numbers. Prime example is l4d. Survivors are op but they have only 1 life. Zombies theoretically have infinite re-spawn numbers, practically they have 5-10 respawns per match pls hundreds of Horde. So even if one side units themselves are weak they doesn't feel weak because of numerical superiority.
But very few games use numbers difference, PvP usually is designed on 1 to 1 basis.
eaabad No.14635403
Are there any games that are like a fps vs. rts? I think TF2 was original going to have something like that but it was scrapped.
e106fd No.14635441
>>14632412
The only Japanese dev that could probably do it is SEGA (assuming you want this game to be an RPG), but expect to never see it in the West.
a6d3cc No.14635451
eaabad No.14635489
>>14635403
I just remembered there was an army man rts where it had fps options if you wanted to play certain units/heroes, but it doesn't really count as asymmetrical.
8c7173 No.14635515
>>14633494
>>14633954
Deformed kikes and leftist western devs are shit.
>>14633514
Anything with japanese/anime aesthetics is already more appealing. As for gameplay, competent japanese know better.
>>14635441
Piracy can provide it in the west.
What the west can't provide is a good game.
>>14632445
If you are so useless (too much soy?) as to not being able to start over your social life, then you must kill yourself.
>>14632562
This always works. Call the sheboon by the monkey that she is, and give the boot to the retard who is with her, then start over with new friends. At one time, you will find people that aren't cucked soyboys that date apes.
>>14633355
Them search more.
Or you can go the route of subverting their thoughts to make them stop being normalfags.
Be the one that dictates their behavior in the group.
e46628 No.14635574
>>14635403
natural selection/nuclear dawn
b3bf80 No.14635593
>>14632509
You need to be an adult to post here.
417652 No.14635974
>>14633445
You are barely smarter than the average mexican, so not at all.
55fc13 No.14635989
this game is fucking horrendous where the other team will cry at you for outplaying them
i implore you all to stay away because the grind is as addictive as crack cocaine
ba2808 No.14636010
>>14633474
>game has factions that are identical in balace and only have different skins
>people complain that one side has OP weapons
Fucking America's Army 3 noobs thinking the enemy rifles were way more accurate.
>game has factions that are identical in balace and only have different skins
>one skin implements camo, the other doesn't
GRAW is guilty of this.
1aa34b No.14636108
>>14632352
>>14632374
>>14632319
>>14632313
Basically the problem with DBD is that its literally, mathematically impossible for the Killer to win if the Survivors are playing even halfway decently. All of the Survivor objectives can be completed in the time it takes to take down just a single competent survivor.
Killer gameplay essentially revolves around hoping Survivors are stupid/overconfident and fuck up, and dont play optimally.
But the devs refuse to changes this because Survivor-Only players are the largest part of the playerbase by far, and therefore their main source of cash.
They are pretty much never going to nerf them, even though they are so blatantly overpowered.
Hell they even added a co-op "queue with friends mode" because Survivor players screamed and reviewbombed the game for not having one, even though the core game design was designed & balanced around 4 randoms with no way of communicating with each other, not teams using external vocie chat. They added a team mode even though it was never meant to be a fucking team game in the first place.
1aa34b No.14636122
>>14632710
>>14632422
Bondi update fucking when.
Vikings need their ranged class.
ba2808 No.14636123
>>14633598
Rising Storm 1 certainly is. Can't say for the other games.
In RS1 the Japs get mortars that can, if used properly, completely fuck up the enemy from a safe position. All you need is a forward observer giving hints like "further right" or so and you can completely lock the Americans out of the cap zone.
The Americans got semi auto rifles as standard, which makes them fantastic in CQC, but also very deadly on mid range, because they can follow up and correct shots quickly. Japs got their bayonetts and FORDED OVER 10.000 TIMES, FORGED BY VENERABRE SENSEI MITUBISHI ON MOUNT FUJI, BATHED IN THE BROOD OF 100 CHINESE VIRGINS AND SHARPENED ON THE SAME ROCK EMPEROR HIROHOHITO ONCE SAID ROOKED KIND OF RIKE HIS MOTHER katanas, but those are not really a viable substitute for 8 rounds of .30-06.
The Banzai charge however completely changes that. If you have well coordinated Japs who use their mortars to take down enemy strong points and then charge into the weakspots with like 20 Nips all shouting BANZAI! the Americans will get paniked and be so useless that the japs can take their position.
Only now comes the problem, the Nips can't hold ground for shit. The mortars are simply bad at denying an area, or engaging moving targets, and the Jap MGs suck ass. The Americans simply need to countercharge and retake the positions using flamers and their M1 carbines, while their own MGs and M1 rifles hold down the jap defenders. As long as they can find whoever is spotting for the Jap mortars the Nips will be burned to a crisp.
Unless the Japs use mine grenades, and keep important entryways clear.
Which the Americans can avoid by having a single rifleman walk in front of the flamer at all times.
You have two very offensively oriented armies, which are perfectly geared to kill eachother, and you can get some VERY dynamic matches with this.
But this is all talking about perfectly coordinated teams, which you rarely see, because the average IQ of the playerbase is somewhere in the low fifties.
cacfc7 No.14638806
I started playing Dead by Daylight recently. Pretty fun, the biggest issues i can see is it being easier for survivors than it is for the killer (at least perkless) and the fact that all the animations are horrendous for some reason. It's a fun game though, probably worth the tenner i paid. I hear the DLC will be free soon, so if you end up getting it dont bother getting any unless you really MUST play Laurie Strode RIGHT NOW.
Played a game just now against some big shot faggot who thought i would be an easy mark because i was playing Wraith (Notoriously weak killer, and i was level one.) and spent the game Teabagging and trying (and failing) to blind me with his odd bulb torch. Unfortunately for him he was actually a fucking garbage player and was the second to be sacrificed. Some other guy with Decisive DCd as soon as i hooked him (After retard A failed three seperate epik flashlight saves) The game would have been a 4k but i dragged the last guy to the hatch to rub it in the other two's faggot faces even more.
*One of them even used Bloody Party Streamers so I got LODSOFEBLUD*
The only reason i even PLAYED wraith was for a daily ritual, so i got fucking GORILLIONS of points from that game.
I hope you enjoyed this instalment of Blogpost.
cacfc7 No.14638845
>>14638806
I echo these sentiments however. >>14636108
cacfc7 No.14639137
>>14638806
>>14638845
>>14636108
Addendum: SWF teams get SUPER BUTTMAD when their "Tactic" of trying to distract me and swarm a hook together doesnt work, and gets the whole team killed.
Like pottery.
1aa34b No.14639434
>>14638806
Only the original characters are going to made grind2notpay, you are still gonna need to pay for the liscenced characters, unless they end up coming to some kind of deal with the licence holders, which I doubt they will be able to.
Not that you should buy them anyways, survivors are just skins, perks you can unlocked without buying the dlcs if you wait long enough, and even the best of the 4 liscenced Killers is just on the high end of low tier at best.