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Elf a shit

Elf indeed a shit.

>>14620116

Beam>God>Fireball>Everything else

>>14620120

Bolt can be useful if you're good at headshots but there's really no reason not to use beam at the moment.

>>14620116

Personal pref: Bolt>Flame-thrower>Fireball>Beam>Conflagration

What's the best lvl 25 talent for Sienna and Saltz?

>>14620141

You are an idiot. Beam altfire does everything the flamethrower does and more, primary+railgun does everything the bolt does and more.

>>14620140

Bolt headshots are shit. The projectile is too slow to actually hit anything precisely. The only reason Fireball scores higher than everything that isn't beam is because the charged fire is armor piercing.

If Bounty Hunter Saltz, reduced cooldown. Double shot is also good, but IMO you want to keep the normal shrapnel spray as a panic button. Double shot will give you more damage for bosses, but it removes the safety net against everything else.

If Pyromancer, I've heard removing overcharge is the best, but I haven't played her as much.

If any other class, what the fuck are you doing?

>>14620152

>>14620141

Put it this way. With a fully charged beam railgun I do 9725 damage to the dummy with a headshot railgun. That's not including the build up. Unlike the bolt staff you charge up your damage by doing damage. It takes 1.25 seconds to reach full charge which I believe is faster than the bolt charges, and you are doing damage that whole time.

With the bolt headshot I do 8675, plus I lose all the ramp up damage, plus the projectile has a slow travel speed making it hard to land at range. It also produces more overcharge to fire one charged shot than it does to charge and fire the beam shot.

Bolt's "machine gun" primary fire does do something the beam staff doesn't. It produces significantly higher single target body shot DPS, provided your shots hit and you don't run out of overcharge. However, it's relatively ineffective for anything other than horde clearing, which the beam's "shotgun" alt fire does better than anything.

Also, don't forget that beam staff sustained beam charges your special skill much quicker than any other weapon.

>>14620167

Exhaust is a great talent, but I personally use Bonded Flame. I'm able to manage my overcharge with "Heat sink" (-4 overcharge on crit) on my Beamstaff. It completely resets overcharge on a crit shotgun into a horde, though that's somewhat unreliable and I do have to vent occationally in horde situations. Fortunately I get so many kills that spending a little temp health to vent is barely an issue. It also VERY quickly resets overcharge if I use the sustained beam due to how quickly it hits, each tick is a possible crit and doesn't build much charge if it fails to crit.

Bonded flame grants +20 temp health on skill use. It used to grant +35 which was blatently overpowered, but even 20 is still pretty useful (sienna has roughly 100hp judging by how much this fills the bar). It's more than enough that I can use that temp health to vent and still have some leftover, if I would have wanted to use Exhaust.

>>14620167

>Ironbreaker

>Shit

I smell an Elf and we should gas them

>>14620211 (checked)

Obviously he's talking about Witch Hunter/Zealot and Battle Wizard/Unchained, mayfly.

>>14620211

He meant any other class of Salt or Sienna

>>14620167

>>14620197

Thx. That's what I use on Saltz (-cd) but it feels underwhelming) and also on Sienna (+temp health).

All 25 talents on Sienna seem very poor. I don't need -cd, it's already fast enough; i don't need temp health cause I know to position myself; I don't need instant vent cause -4 overcharge on crit. Would really like something cooler, like maybe 2 flaming heads or I don't know. God damn talents are shit on most classes.

My Sienna is +14, IB +46 and Saltz +11. Barely played Elf and Kruber is lvl 14.

>>14620343

What are you talking about Sienna's Pyro talents are all amazing. Yes you can usually manage your overcharge but being able to vent instantly on demand is very powerful. -30% cooldown on a fast skill makes it incredibly fast, it's the difference between getting 5 in a potion and 8 which shits on bosses. Temp health makes Legendary almost trivial.

>>14620152

>>14620197

I will not deny that Beam does perform better than other staffs though. I might just give Beam staff another spin for a feel (but chances are that a nerf is coming). I am not looking for "MLG certified top-tier" shit or anything because I am not an edgefag. I just find using Bolt staff fun because I like fire "bolts" and the feeling of shooting it.

Inb4 shitter GTFO of my Legend runs RRRRREEEEEEEEEEE. I still do okay in my runs without too much hitch though. As long as I can get specials with bolt headshots and clear the mob effectively.

>>14619911

t. lumbahfat

>>14620507

>Stormvermin

>Not fucking chaos warriors

>Not elves

>>14620526

>What are Stormvermin with shields

Fuck these fuckers when they come in great numbers. Normal SV are easy, but give them a shield that is really hard to break, even with perforating weapons, and thats is another story.

>>14620542

Beam staff works great against shield stormvermin, beam the shield until it moves aside then railgun the face, if there's a group of them spamming shotgun works pretty well too. You can take out a whole legendary stormvermin patrol with enough beam staff shotgun blasts.

I find that heavy ranged weapon spam tends to work pretty well too. Elf longbow (aimed) and BH volly crossbow are usually enough to overwhelm the shields.

Dumb question, but for this game, what FOV should I put, when gaming at 1080, in a 16:9 monitor?

>>14620563

I'd recommend not touching it. The way the game handles FoV is retarded, it brings back your field of vision, but it doesn't change your perceptive on your character. You'll see the same chunk of arm and weapon from 60 to 120 unlike most games with a FoV slider where you see more or less of your arm to maintain your perspective. So what ends up happening at high FoV values is that things in front of you look like their 20ft away when they're only 2ft from you since gauging the distance is fucked by your fucked perspective.

Also the game supposedly uses vertical FoV rather than horizontal, but I'm not so sure about that.

Do we have a list of the best skills for each of the main classes by level?

>>14620563

I used 90 right from the start so I got used to it. It gives me a bit move lateral perception, just wish the weapon models would be smaller.

I been wondering if I been playing my bounty hunter wrong; Right now I am using a flail for crowd control (knocking down groups of enemies and bypassing the shield of the armored rats), with both my crossbow and reapeater having crit perks, but I have a concern.

I had a dumb ass elf insist that he could "One shot Bosses" as BH, and despite the fact he was a complete retard, I worry I may be doing something wrong. Is they a specific build of BH where you could do more damage?

my current build is using Quick Reload/Better Accuracy (Depending on the crossbow or repeated), the two different white health perks to give me 4 temp health per crit (this gives me full temp health if I crit a horde with the cross bow), Double fire super to 1 shot rotthelms and do extra damage to bosses, and all my gear going into maximizing my crit damage.

>>14620614

Health on crit is shit. Repeater pistol is shit. Flail is shit. Use health on kill, Repeating crossbow, and Falchion. Falchion is armor peircing in spite of being a sword and not having that property.

>>14620614

Well you can't "one shot" bosses, but you can do fuckhuge burst fire by using your blessed shot on the repeater pistol/volley crossbow charged fire. If you maximize crit power you're good.

Also I'll recommend the falchion over the flail any day, only thing flail's better for is that it ignores shields.

>>14620615

>Flail is shit

It hits everything in front of the screen when you do the charge swing, and if you do it twice, you kill the horde. If you crit shot with it, you get huge temp white health. It also has good range, and when paired with a blue blue potion, it can smack hordes around. Temp white health on crit is also not bad with blessed shot (and I am picking this over the "Blessed doesnt use ammo on crits" due to the fact I got the 2.0 ammo on crit trait). Taking out shield vermin quickly is also quite the priority that other classes don't have the luxury of without bashing their shield about.

>>14620617

I knew I shouldn't of believed that elf's lies. That's what I have been doing this whole time, but it doesn't seem to take out as much health as it does in legendary.

>>14620628

Yeah, the bosses' health rapidly ramp up. Too much in my opinion really, given the risk to get a horde/disablers during a boss brawl on the higher difficulties. If you were 80% guaranteed to be alone against the boss I wouldn't mind so much.

>>14620636

It should be noted I do pair up all of this with a yellow potion too, for obvious reasons. It may be worth noting to anons by the way, that Gattlings seem to have poise on them now; I can't break them out of their firing animations with the repeater anymore, only with the crossbow or a stronger single shot weapon.

Also, another tip I discovered awhile beat: you can fire the alt fire for the repeated faster if you press the reload button right after you fire (So much faster in fact, that using the quick reload perk actually has no effect at all).

>>14620640

>Gattlings seem to have poise on them now

That's the hero power nerf. Your staggering ability went down, so it takes more to stagger them.

how good does this game run on a shitty computer? Graphics cards are expensive

>>14620647

And yet I am maxed out at 600, which is pretty fucking dumb.

>>14620655

it makes a 1070TI attempt to burn your house down on max with afterburner configured properly because fatswede managed to make the game less optomized on high end graphics than ARK.

Are there any groups playing this? My friends are already bored with it.

Just got my first Red; it's a charm. What are the best properties; as trait I obviously use + pot duration.

>>14621182

>>14621175

Depends on what you run. Lots of people run Chaos+Skaven just to have a 10% blanket vs everything, but that's not your only option. Skaven aren't too tough so a bonus against them is usually wasted. Chaos+Armored like you have gives you 20% vs Chaos Warriors which are one of the biggest threats in the game, and still gives 10% vs Stormvermin, plus some bonuses against a variety of other enemies. Chaos+Monster gives you a double bonus vs spawns and trolls, plus a single on other bosses and all chaos.

You could also forgo the double VS bonus and take crit power or attack speed instead. Either way I generally recommend keeping vs Chaos no matter what else you pick.

>>14621298

The problem with Shield Kruber vs Shield Bardin isn't that Bardin gets an axe and kruber doesn't, it's that barden gets Drakefire weapons and kruber gets shit. Ironbreaker dwarf should be relying on his Drakefire Pistols to do 95% of his damage, Kruber doesn't have that option. Even if his weapons weren't dogshit he just doesn't have the ammo to manage it.

Honestly I just don't like Kruber as a character. The only reason I would consider taking him at all given the choice is for a second tank, and only because you already have bardin and pyro sienna. All of his specs are just bad compared to everybody else in the same category.

>>14621402

>Ironbreaker dwarf should be relying on his Drakefire Pistols to do 95% of his damage

Confirmed for fucking scrub. While drakefire pistols are viable against hordes Bardin doesn't fucking need them. He has his hammers which trivialize hordes even on legend. By pistoling hordes you're protecting yourself, not your group. Your melee is just fine and your ranged is here to do what ranged is here to do - take care of specials. Doesn't surprise me you swear by the volley crossbow sect if you're using ranged against hordes. Do you wipe half the time in quickplay and "banter" your team for not doing what you're supposed to do?

>>14621446

when you say volley crossbow, are you saying they are better methods for taking out hordes with BH?

I am not saying you are wrong, but I would like to know the alternatives myself

>>14621298

You seem to think that Huntsman is shit since you don't even mention him, but he is viable if played with the shotgun or longbow. The melee, rightclick attack with the shotgun can restore ammo for it with crits and the ammo on crit trait, making sure you never run out. With it he becomes excellent at clearing hordes and pretty good at killing disablers, only chaos warriors and bosses are a problem. Use an executioners sword to balance that out. Or go good old longbow / sword-shield combo. With 5% attack speed on melee and charm, swift slaying and stacking crit (which is what huntsmen should do anyway) your melee attacks will become fast enough to easily take care of hordes while the shield still really helps.

>>14621554

Longbow makes him a worse elf. Shotgun makes him a worse dwarf ranger which is already a bad class.

>>14621466

There is no better way to take out hordes as BH, the problem is the price you pay for that. You're just not as useful against specials as you should be, I still think that volley crossbow BH is the strongest saltzpyre - it's just that saltz sucks in general.

>>14621579

He has much more useful talents, especially compared to the ranger. Krubers longbow has more damage and different aiming - but more importantly, playing elf is always a bad decicion as it infects you with elftism and turns you into a retard. I dunno, I've played this game a lot and finished lots of maps on legend, all I can say is that he works. Though he is not as OP as the crit-pyro or IB, for example.

>>14621579

>Dwarf Ranger

>Bad

You can actually make him pretty good if you have a group of friends who tailor a whole team around him. Dwarf with bomb drops + everyone using 25% chance to get another bomb throw can be pretty handy.

>>14621623

Personally i use the Rapier and Brace of Pistols. Why does it seem like nobody uses these weapons but me?

The Brace is a strong special murderiser, and the Rapier is (So far) very effective against hordes, especially those made up of Skavenslaves. The offhand pistol is surprisingly helpful as well, mostly to stun enemies from afar, but it does kill Clanrats from close range (Though i suppose at that point i may as well stab them). This is currently on Champion.

>>14621670

>Why does it seem like nobody uses these weapons but me?

Because pistols suck. Big deal, you have 30 shots that can barely put a dent in a boss. Volley crossbow, on other hand, is fucking broken - you can melt bosses, specials, hordes with it, and with blessed shots and ammo on crits it has pretty much unlimited ammo - alt-fire into the crowd, and you get 4-6 rounds of ammunition for free, anytime. Rapier is pretty cool, but it's no falchion - still, I use it on Zealot.

>>14621670

I like the Rapier the most too, especially due to its attackspeed and the alt fire, it's just that if you use the volley crossbow you need something you can properly use against armored targets in melee.

Honestly I don't get the pistols. Anything they can do the volley crossbow can also do, maybe it is slightly worse against armored but you get the horde-clearer and due to how crits work with it ammo-management is much easier…

>>14621554

>>14621623

krubers shotgun seems to be hitscan compared to the dorf double which has projectiles, but overall longbow is better for huntsman. kruber in general needs his talents and skills to be rebuilt.

>it's just that saltz sucks in general

confirmed for retard

>>14621661

dwarf ranger is playable once you are past lvl20, but the ironbreaker and his ability to not take damage is a better team asset overall.

>>14621670

>Personally i use the Rapier and Brace of Pistols. Why does it seem like nobody uses these weapons but me?

rapier is good against slaverats, but you have to stab everything else so the falchion is just better. lvl30 bh with a falchion that has speed up on crit can walk through hordes and take down everything except chaos warriors with ease and even chaos just need a few slaps in the head. the axe is only good vs single targets and is much slower than falchion. the flail is good against groups and vermin shields, but its block is slow and shitty. the falchion is the best all rounder with no real downside.

>Brace of Pistols.

the key is blessed shots and the fact that its reset on melee kills. if you max the crit power bonus with no ammo used on blessed shot combined with the 3 shots from the volley are also piercing you nuke hordes and only use ammo against bosses. if you have a good trait on the crossbow its even easier.

>>14621723

Both are as good. The Volley crossbow just can't blow off Chaos Warrior heads and that is more than covered by Locked and Load.

REMOVE ELF

How do these games compare to L4D?

>>14621723

Bullshit the efficiency of repeater pistol is exactly that, shooting charged critical shots into hordes. Yet the crossbow overcomes it due to piercing and better crowd control overall. And better boss dps too.

>>14621905

L4D is not grindy, this one kind of is, but it's a light form of grind.

>>14621914

Dagger is best for her, use crit and attack speed and swift slaying.

>>14621978

I have a hard time believing that. I rarely use my melle weapon and when I do only it's for kiteing a boss while keeping block up or in the rare case I need to escape some small swarm of mobs. So basically as a defensive weapon; what you're saying seems completely opposite. What am I missing. And btw we're talking about legend here.

>>14622025

The idea is that your attack speed is so high that you stagger smaller enemies faster than they can attack you. Offense is the best defense.

I know it's not for everyone but it works well for me.

>3-man Legend group has one slot open, random is better than a bot, right?

>Without fail, every time, it's a Shade elf player.

It's been almost two and a half days and the only exception to this has been a flamethrower Sienna.

>>14622212

I think they got a buff via their hero power cooldown time being decreased in the last patch, hence why many elf players switched to that class. Personally I think it's shit, meant for edgy players (or TF2 spy players), and find waystalker the only worthwhile class for a fucking co-op game. Kruber's huntsman class can do more damage overall with his heropower without the need to be behind most enemies (given the right gear).

>>14622231

Shade is absolutely shit, at least Handmaiden players can speedrun at best and invis-revive at worst. Shade does nothing useful with a gimmick that gets it killed in Champ/Legend.

The one good thing Shade has going for it is the ability to trivialize Chaos Warriors. Only works for one at a time though and doesn't really outweigh what Waystalker has going for it.

>>14622236

They can melt away bosses but thats about it.

>>14622280

>>14622287

That's what it looks like on player, but elves and Shade players in particular love putting themselves between CW and hordes (thus getting punched straight into them and getting insta-downed) or eating Mauler/Marauder running attacks because they don't know how to move or dodge and need to always use their special instead of just wielding a Glaive like a normal human being.

>>14622314

It's a hard life we walk down, but if we don't tread the path, then who will within a sea of elves succumbing to the taint of chaos? Just have to keep trying to be a better example for other elf players and teach the little shits how to play as a team. Gods be with you anon.

>>14622324

But elves aren't human. I do agree that more elves need to use the Glaive, especially on boss missions).

I warned you about the shitty mouthbreathing community. These idiots manage to suck the fun out of the game. Either you fail because somebody fucks up horribly or you're good enough to carry 3 people that are worse than bots.

>Kerillian murdered imperial citizens and patrols in the past for no reason

>makes edgy comments about burning/tortured people party sees

>is pleased at the sight of tortured human corpses

>talks shit about Saltzpyre for his cruelty

I don't get it. What has Saltzpyre even done that compares to what she did? Considering he didn't kill Sienna, it's safe to assume he was fair and taking people to trials, not jumping the boat and slaughtering innocents. How is that as bad as her bullshit? Why doesn't anyone call her out? It might be an autistic nitpick, but this shit reminds me of Rose from Tales too fucking much even though the resemblance isn't that big. I just know one of those Fatshark fags jerks off to her pitch black eyes.

>>14622444

They gutted 90% of the lines that made her a bearable tsundere subhuman in the first game, all that's left is tumblr-tier banter and constant edgelording/insults/LUMBAHFOOTS.

>>14622444

Imperial Witch hunters are often portrayed as unthinking robot tier people who just do justice and only justice, and other inquisitors often skip the "investigation" part of the inquisition and just kill anyone that's guilty

IDK if salty boy does that, but he's just a maniac about killing skaven since i'm pretty sure his eye is blind because of that

>>14622456

I played VT1 before and I don't remember her being particularly much of an asshole. I know her turning cold and angsty at the others can be explained away as her realising she's going to outlive them and doesn't want to mourn their deaths for hundreds of years (Saltzpyre and Sienna in particular can die of natural causes at any second) so she tries to make them hate her to spare herself emotions later, but considering the state the world is in, it's retarded. Rats can kill you at any second, all you do is fighting them all the time as they keep gaining ground and winning anyway.. I guess this sort of stupid reasoning fits a woman though.

>>14622475

Saltzpyre definitely didn't do that, he was taking Sienna to trial. I can see why others distrust him, but the elf is a bit irredeemable. You have someone who did nothing wrong as far as we know that belongs to a cruel organisation, or a specimen that is explicitly known to have done wicked shit herself that also belongs to a race that does fucked up shit all the time and all of it for no real reason. They're the Warhammer PETA, hardly a reputable group.

>>14622444

>What has Saltzpyre even done that compares to what she did?

If you read Saltz lore it gets even weirder about how shitty the elf treats him. Even the fucking witch likes Saltz. Everyone in the party like and/or respects him as the leader. The fucking knife-eared bitch is completely up her own fucking ass. She constantly wishes death on Saltz and whenever he gets hit or is injured she just fucking goes, "Did that one hurt one eye? GOOD"

She is honestly the worst character and deserves to be team killed.

At least Saltz has bantz and can handle bantz from a fucking WITCH but the fucking elf has to have the worst banter by autisticly yelling LUMBERFOOTS or MAYFLIES.

I think this is my new theory Kerillian is autistic. It explains soooo much about her. I image that she got one laugh from the group in V1 when she joked about Saltz and she thinks that after all they went though that her same jokes or bantz are gonna hit just like before.

ELF = Autism she is the new autistic female character.

>>14622236

Shade's invisibility breaks either on successful attack or when it's duration ends, so she can revive\heal teammates, push niggers around, chug potions, activate things or just fuck off when shit hits the fan. Though considering that, when Shade enters stealth, enemies start chasing a different target, reviving someone from invisibility will likely result in very quick death of whoever she was reviving. It's a shame that backstabs are wonky as shit when you try to hit regular enemies.

Elf is the most OP character in the game. I tried playing as her one round, level 1, starting weapons and was top player.

>>14622444

Pretty much >>14622475

Salty is a witch hunter

Witch hunters in Warhammer fantasy are "torture/kill first, ask questions later maybe" kind of inquisitors.

Salty may not be strictly business to the same degree, but to everyone else he's guilty by association.

And I've just boiled everything the elf says down to autistic screeching. She really comes off as autistic as hell, making up insults to call people, repeating them over and over again, and completely incapable of figuring out appropriate times to chime in.

>>14622533

<Treehuggian you are gay

>other elves reluctantly laugh at Kerillian's joke she's been saying for three days hoping she stops

>she sees the sides of their lips turning upsides, and she was instructed that is good

>repeats the same words three minutes later

>everyone is confused and really has enough of it, it's just awkward

>Kerillian's dissatisfied with reactions, decides to go further with the joke

<Trehuggian is so gay he makes threads on /v/

>elves have had enough of the joke so they start going away

>Kerillian pursues

<Treehuggian is so gay, he once accidentally sent a link to Klonoa porn to his steam friend rather than a link to a website because he was having them open in different tabs an-

>elves really have enough, Kerillian doesn't understand why they're not entertained so tries again

<T-treehuggian is so gay, he once -

>elves exile her

>>14622533

Now all we need is her with a please be patient i have autism hat.

>>14622542

good on you anon

>>14622612

>>14622606

>>14622578

>>14622540

>>14622533

What we need is to get draw fags to do the same thing that we did with Mass Effect Andomeda girl to Kerrilian

I can see it now with Kerrilian watching anime and learning about being tsundere so she tries it with Saltz and the rest of the team.

This is the only way to save her.

>>14622630

Maybe she's to Saltzpyre like so because that's how her mom treated her dad, and she's trying to imitate what she saw at home in order to get Saltzpyre to mate with her. It's almost smart to multiply their numbers considering the situation, wood elf's going to be too arrogant to go for a peasant so a witch hunter's preferable. Sienna's definitely not going to bear any kids at her age, so Kerillian's the only capable woman.

>>14622644

>implying she cant make an autistic wizard offspring

>>14622644

I like where this is going…

>>14622630

Do we have a "no way fag' edit for this shit already? If we don't it'd be better as Sienna and Salty, and not to sound like carlos but there's not enough jokes about the witch being "in heat".

>>14622681

If it was Salty and Sienna, would it be "no way hag" instead?

>vermintide, now with free BSODs like early CSGO

Thanks fatshark, time to check on my memory.

>>14622723

>>14622733

good shit.

>>14622720

Glad I'm not the only one who exploded because of this bullshit.

>>14622733

also while i was drawing this, Sienna dresses like fucking Guy Fieri

>>14622733

>The tiny parts of the suit left on sienna

fuck

>>14622723

>>14622733

Thank you I'll try to help as well

>>14622533

>>14622533

To sum it up:

>Kruber respects Victor as his commander

>Sienna has to recognize the fact that he was going out of his way to ensure a fair trial for her

>Barding knows that Victor is obligated by his religion to aid dwarfs as much as possible

Meanwhile elf is a creepy bug-eyed asshole who killed Imperial troops and is from the race that's all over the grudge books.

>>14622871

most inquisitors don't work with any other races at all, so the fact that salty isn't just murdering both bardin and kerrilian kinda shows that he isn't a total cunt

>>14622754

I've never seen this before, how enlightening

>>14622896

why does she have a beard

>>14622899

Bardin in disguise

>>14622871

>>Barding knows that Victor is obligated by his religion to aid dwarfs as much as possible

He also seems the most friendly of the bunch in general

>>14622909

> I bet the cavemen were shitposting like us back in the day.

oh for sure, but more annoying shitposters would be killed with a rock

>>14622909

romans used to shitpost with graffiti and it reads like imageboards

>>14622921

they used literal boards and also made posts about literal shit, board culture is eternal

>>14621723

Pistol does less damage per shot, has less penetration, is harder to get ammo back on, has a slower alt fire, does less damage per second… basically there's not a single thing it does better than the crossbow.

Why is all of Saltpyre's melee weapons better than any of kruber and Bardins?

>>14623331

Kruber's halberd is better. Yeah bardin's suck as far as actual melee goes but at least he can use a shield.

>>14623331

The Executioner Sword and Halberd are better than anything that Salt has.

>>14622976

I remember shitposting in that thread. We even found ancient happy merchant memes in that thread. Really makes you wonder if those old cave paintings were the original image boards.

>>14623425

I'll give you that halberd as a great weapon, but Salty's falchion and rapier are fantastic. The rapier has great accuracy and head damage for head sniping while being fast enough to deal with large amounts of trash. The falchion is my personal favorite though, very fast attacks and cleaves like it was a lightsaber with similarly lightsaber-like armor penetration.

Absolutely everything else in his arsenal sucks shit though.

In other news though, I just can't play this game anymore until they do something about the special spam. I swear if it weren't for hordes I'd be killing more specials than trash. Just played a few games tonight and almost all of them turned out like the poor sod in vid related. I personally had one game tonight where three hookrats, two assassins and a leech spawned within a 20 second window. I saw two of those hookrats and an assassin spawn simultaneously in the exact same location not more than 10ft from another player. If we didn't just happen to see half of them spawn in, we probably would have wiped there We wiped anyways further down the line to similar spam bullshit.

The game just isn't fun when the director just decides to punish you and end your run even when nobody made any obvious mistake. I mean I play games where you lose a lot. Soulsborne/Nioh, roguelikes, grand strategies with friends, there's some trial and error to those games but at least in those games you're learning something from your failures. I don't get that from this game. At first I just thought it was a case of bad pubs but I've been seeing it a lot more lately. Sometimes the game decides it's just going to shit all over you and there's not much you can do about it, but that seems to be most of the time any more. Getting punished without a reason or a lesson to learn just isn't fun.

TL;DR: The director ai needs to calm the fuck down before I touch this shit again.

Have you guys ever experienced a bug where the horns keep coming every few seconds all through the level? I believe it was on recruit difficulty too so I could get gear for a different char.

>>14620644

Nice

>>14622533

That makes alot of sense actually

>>14622644

How lewd, but definitely fapworthy

>>14623625

>>14623538

Was playing hale scourge earlier today. Full tomes and grims run.

>Kill Hale Scourge Boss

>A Horde and a gas rat get triggered instantly as the boss dies, team fights through horde and kills the gas rat that also spawned.

>As soon as we finish off the last of the horde two assassins jump on our elf and bounty hunter, instantly downing them because Grim-Health.

>We are able to shoot the gutter rats but then ANOTHER gas rat comes and AOE's where they're downed.

>They get gassed.

>There goes the she elf's Grim.

>Only Me (dwarf) and bro Kruber are still left waiting for the gas cloud to pass so we can gfto.

>Assassin #3 jumps on Kruber

> Instantly shoot it with pistols like an mlg Dwarf

> The exact second Kruber gets up off the ground assassin #4 pounces on me.

> Kruber has no ammo so he has to walk over to beat down the gutter runner.

>have only 1 health left

>manage to clutch through the gas rat, a fire rat, and some black rats who were waiting outside the boss arena.

>Rescue elf and Saltzpyre

>end level

It seems to me that during the boss fights the director-ai just bottles up spawns it would have normally spawned, and then unleashes them all at once after the fight.

If the path-finding for assassins wasn't so random then my sqaud would have been wiped by 4 gutter runners simultaneously.

At this point why not just spawn in sqauds of flame rats, gas rats and other specials.

Fat-Shit needs to fix their god damn game

>>14624160

Elf players are very often waifufag shitters or edgy 12y/o tryhards. Sure not every elf player is shit by default but it sure has more shitters than any other class, plus its a rare case where initial career is very easy to use and relatively strong

>>14624160

found the elf player

I don't give a shit if it's not meta or whatever, but topping the damage and kills score on Legend with nothing but a flamestorm staff and without hitting allies at all is the most satisfying thing this game can offer

>>14624394

It's not enough just to top the board, you need to double the competition. 12k-14k every legend run. Sienna's job is to be the main damage dealer for everything that isn't a Chaos warrior. It's not enough to just out DPS the others you still aren't carrying your weight.

>>14624423

Kinda hard to do that when retards are 3 on one side and nobody watches the back. If I don't turn to look or simply stand back and watch the back myself it's guaranteed fail.

The elf honestly reminds me of Satania.

>>14624451

I routinely watch the back by myself and do half the work on the front as well.

>>14623896

Even though the specials are controlled by players in L4D so they can co-ordinate their attacks to deliberately screw over the human players, it still felt more fair than this game's ai director.

>>14621446

>you're protecting yourself, not your group

how does that make any sense at all? Are you running by yourself?

>>14624160

>"elf is so shit xD" autism is getting out of hand

you obviously didnt play the first vermintide or read any of the threads, she is the worst design decision they made by far.

>>14624358

dont forget about mark of chaos the rts attempt from a decade ago, or how they killed the planned space marine action series after the first one didnt sell as much as they wanted.

>>14622720

I am now down and out 8gb of ram and will angrily screech at fatshark for the sudden implosion of a year old maximum RAM stick.

Also whats best weapon to run as a slayer?

>>14625438

Do it.

I can share their disagreement so you can screech at them directly.

Also for Slayer 2h Hammer and Twin axes.

>>14625451

Interesting wordfilter.

>>14621723

You can't kill multiple specials via piercing with the repeater and its alt fire has an animation delay and therefor while neat it is not as good as the pocket crossbow.

>>14622906

NO.

Kruber and bardin are the broest in the game,the beard does make the difference.

How do you use the drakefire pistols? I tried for a round or two but the drakegun is so much more satisfying

>>14626807

>No

but i didn't say they weren't bros, it's just Bardin comes off as the most outwardly cheerful and friendly, so much so that he'll start singing songs while fighting, while Kruber will chant stuff like BY TAAL, FIGHT, KILL, DEATH and there's something about the effect they use for that voice clip that gets me pumped up

>>14627627

>got VT1 on a sale but didn't get very deep into it because anyone i matched with would keep replaying the first fucking level for tome runs and i got bored

>get VT2 on a whim but now it's going bonkers

every multiplayer game i take a chance with hurts me

>>14627644

>>14627747

the 2h hammer do seem to have armor piercing, but krubers seems slower than bardins. the 1h hammer bardin gets seems to be useless though.

>>14627747

I will admit that it's horseshit that baradin gets to have an armor penetrating axe to go with his shield while Kruber gets fuckall. I'm really disappointed with Kruber's shield+weapon combos. With as much shit punching though blocks or eating all of your stamina at once

>>14627764

They're identical in speed too near as I can tell. Without any modifications, they both take about 3 seconds to land all three of their attacks. Are you sure you're not getting any attack speed from somewhere?

And yes Bardin's 1h hammer is completely useless, shield or no shield.

>>14627644

Try his two handed maul. It's exceptionally good for taking out Chaos Warriors on the fly with it's quick light attacks. Charge up is kinda garbage and I can't justify taking it over the halberd. Still a fun weapon though.

>>14627799

>With as much shit punching though blocks or eating all of your stamina at once

Forgot to finish that thought there.

I meant to say that running with a shield is practically worthless. The extra push/block is nice, but boosting it is easy and anything over 180% or so, which the shielded weapons have by default, is usually overkill anyways. If the shields blocked some of those hits that punch through other weapon blocks they might be useful, but right now I just can't justify taking them over almost any other weapon.

>>14627671

Stop being an antisocial faggot and make some friends to play multiplayer vidya with

>>14624359

I wanna hunt rats and burn heretics with Salts

>>14627886

all my buddies i've tried to convince to play games i like won't try em

>>14627980

get new friends

>>14627764

>>14627799

1h hammer no shield on Bardin is a heavy stamina, heavy knockback weapon. It doesn't have the bash angle shield does, but it's still a very solid defensive weapon.

>>14627980

Just get more friends anon it really isn't hard and you can still hang out with your old friends. Lots of people play Vermintide and L4D style games are pretty popular. So get out and make some friends faggot.

>7 shields on ironbreaker bardin

How is this balanced?

>>14628425

>Well, One Eye's gone mad in case anyone's mustard

What did the elf mean by this heresy?

>>14628425

>no globadiers were featured

>not even a single hagbane bow power shot

Fucking misleading file names.

>>14628904

>Shields for Ironbreaker are shit

<What is shield push

You dont even need to use the main weapon, when fighting low tier hordes, when you could just shield bash them to kill them or at least threw them to the ground and let your mates kill them. Besides, with Ironbreaker being the tank class, the obvious would be that you main shield+weapon, while when playing other character/class, you wear 2h weapons, like for example Kruger Knight with 2h Hammer.

>>14628918

That is fucking disgusting.

I refuse to believe anyone could actually think the elf is attractive.

>>14629480

Why do you need a shield? Ratling Gunners are almost never a problem and the 2h hammer gives you plenty of stamina. Plus the cleave is better and on legend and champ the added damage from the 2h is far more useful than the shield bash/ single target damage. Of course thats if you are using the drakefires. If you use the drakefire gun then by all means stick to the axe/shield. I should add that the charge attack on the hammer is honestly just as good as the shield bash if not better because your light attacks are doing so much damage with solid cleave.

Update Anons

https://steamcommunity.com/app/552500/discussions/0/1694918539667865493/

>Killing a Lord/Boss now gives +2 Loot Dices

>Nerfed Beam Staff by dumbing down AP and increase heat

>Salty now has his ye olde line HOLY SIGMAR, BLESSED THIS RAVAGE BODY and other crap

>>14629480

>Besides, with Ironbreaker being the tank class, the obvious would be that you main shield+weapon

See, that's your problem right there, you just assumed a shield would be needed because tank. All shield gives you over the hammers is blocking ratlings and better push/block angle. Hammers have plenty of stamina, 1H hammer literally only has 1 less stamina than the shields with a much, MUCH better moveset.

Also, while the shield bash is good CC on paper, the issue is that it just pushes, it does shitall actual damage. With 2H hammer, you swung deeper and wider into the horde, plus they're all actually fucking dead.

>>14630073

I'll have to see, but of the beam staff nerfs only the armor penetration tweak seems like it would be significant to me. Otherwise it's just buffs for the two worst staves which is good.

Not sure about the free loot dice on champions, half the missions I get in quicplay were champion maps already, now it's going to be 90%

>>14630073

>Skarrik Spinemanglr

>Replaced Shield Stormvermin with regular Stormvermin during defensive phase.

>Removed Plague Monks from the spawn pool.

>The AI director will no longer immediately spawn specials after a Lord is killed.

>The AI director will now wait longer between spawns of coordinated special enemy attacks. (when we spawn all the specials in the spawn queue all at once for increased challenge fun). >This means fewer situations where you get train wrecked by multiple waves of coordinated enemies on Champion and Legend.

>Reduced the number of Chaos Warriors in patrols on Legend - replaced some with Maulers. Set to 6 Chaos Warriors, down from 10.

>We've made changes to collision handling on some of the level assets on The Skittergate and Into the Nest. This means that Ratling gunners won't be able to target players through walls in as many places on those levels anymore.

>Two-handed Swords:

>Increased movement speed during light attacks.

>Increased damage and stagger for first target on heavy attacks while slightly increasing range.

These are good changes, finally Fatshark have moved their fat cartilaginous ass to fix this crap.

>>14627085

>No, no. Try again, harder!

Ironbreak Bardin best Bardin

>>14627072

Normal fire for anything by itself. Alt-fire for hordes.

>>14630073

>The AI director will no longer immediately spawn specials after a Lord is killed.

FUCKING FINALLY, SO GODAMN TIRED OF THIS SHIT.

SHOULD HAVE SORTED THIS OUT IN THE BETA FATSHARK, YOU FUCKING LUMBERFOOTS.

Sorry just had to get that one off my chest.

>>14630437

needs the top half of bardins head poking above the table and it would be perfect

>>14631437

That literally made no sense anon. She uses the insult mayflies since everyone else is so short lived.

>>14628918

>confused dwarf sounds

I chuckled.

>>14630031

>2hand sword has less reach than 1hand

What did they meme by this?

>>14626637

>>14628918

delet these, elf is for bullie only.

>>14628614

>7 shields on ironbreaker bardin

You can get way more than that.

I don't know if it's the hotfix but it's like the game's completely deserted right now.

>quick play

>no one joins in keep

>fuck it, I'll start with bots

>only two players join in the course of the entire map

>>14634720

probably since there's 15k playing right now, could also be your options or you might be in the untrusted state and stuck with cheaters due to some bug. Fatshark just keep fucking up

>>14634720

what difficulty? only time i have any trouble getting peeps is on champ diff when its 3+am in australia

That being said the game was released without enough content imo, a second feature or something who knows, make one similar to killing floor with areas that need defending for a period of time inside a big map with a mega boss at the end or something

>>14635272

Veteran. It's been better my last two matches though so it's good.

Why do people hate on flamethrower dwarves? That shit clears hordes far better than any other gun and paired with the 2h hammer it just makes you an endless rapetrain

>>14635400

Why would you give up your only ranged weapon to do something that any other ranged can do better?

>>14635400

You're unable to snipe down special units, but chances are the rest of your party can do that easily

>>14635470

That laser does almost no party damage at all. Two kills worth of temp health should be enough to undo the damage it does for the entire game, railgun shots not withstanding.

>>14619911

mayfly.

>>14635746

>elf constantly sperging about how she lives so long

>first to die every game

REALLY makes you think

With Kerillian, which is the best bows. Or in what situation should I wear a bow in specific? Hagbane bow, for example, I find it shitty and its clod damage underwhelming. For bosses is usefull, but not much…

>>14635911

I like hagbane but I wouldn't call it better than longbow. Its perks is that the charged shot can stagger everything that isn't a boss and gives few fucks against armor. But if you're good at headshots, longbow is definitely the superior choice in all but boss DPS.

>>14635911

hagbane is really great at thinning hordes, but shit against everything thougher than a clan rat, like specials. Might stack dots on boss but its better to complement it with glaive.

>>14636489

You should use a real staff, but I should point out the beam staff barely tickles too, both in shotgun and beam

>>14636432

It'd make more sense if Sienna replaced Kerillian's pose. Kerillian is fast and nimble, so she'd fit Burter way more. Still, saved.

>>14636496

>Beam staff still getting hit with sweeping nerfs

>Flamethrower just keeps getting buffed

Flamethrower is the top choice for horde and trash clearing, no matter what beam and conflag lovers tell you. Flamethrower with vent on crit is an infinite-use destroyer of worlds that can shut down entire hordes solo if your buddies watch your back for that one slaverat cunt who always gets around somehow. Plus, unlike beam and conflag, the htiboxes for enemies are actually higher than your own party, so you can burn your flamespout nearly straight through your team without harming them, and simultaneously roast enemies in front of them without issue.

Beam is far better for special sniping, but as Unchained there's nothing wrong with building yourself for pure trash/boss combat and tanking, and let the elf/BH/huntsman deal with special sniping.

>>14636528

>conflag

Who the fuck ever recommends conflag? That pretty aoe means fuckall with the piss range and sustain it has

>>14636548

Hell if I know, I keep seeing Pyro Sienna's swear by it and it angers me forever and always. Fireball is balance between horde and sniper, beam is for sniping, flamethrower is for hordes. That's how it goes.

>>14636548

I just switched to conflag and I have to admit it's really fun playing as a pyromancer with it. Left click is for armored enemies and right click is for hordes, it works pretty well but I also don't know the meta

>>14636528

The thing is, you don't need to excel at horde clearing. You don't need to delete everything instantly as it comes into range. You just need to kill the horde and take no damage. Beam staff shotgun does that without even a need to windup, removing the risk aspect, and is also amazing against specials. Flamethrower overachieves at hordes and does literally fuckall else. It's not a good tradeoff.

>>14636579

Beam shotgun is basically the same thing without the windup, which is why it's even more effective against hordes. You can't say that flamethrower "overachieves" when it's still worse at that job as well. With flamethower you are fucked if they get around you because every time you take a hit you lose your charge. With beam you can afford to take a couple hits and still clear out the wave.

>>14636579

Except now it also does impressive damage to elites too, in addition to significantly buffed knockback that can completely halt an entire stormvermin patrol while your team beats them senseless. Especially on Legend, its all about roles and support. You don't need 4 people who can all snipe specials really well, you need 2, and 2 who can support and tank and guard those snipers. I will agree flamethrower overachieves, but that makes it a beast and a lifesaver in a pinch when a half-second windup can still clear/knockback a surrounded team to let them get their bearings. Or lets you solo an entire horde so the other 3 people can focus on the Boss that spawned on you. You trade in versatility yes, but the point of VT2 is teamwork, and I'd rather have 4 super specialized players who can callout and perform their specific role amazingly than 4 who are geared to be generally decent at everything.

>>14636615

If your team is doing their job and you're locking down one direction, though, nothing should ever hit you. And shotgun beam only has a halfdozen shots before overcharge, while flamethrower can be charged and spammed indefinitely with vent on crit.

>>14636631

>If your team is doing their job

Your job in a pub is to do everything. Your team's job is to get in your way.

>>14636619

>Except now it also does impressive damage to elites too

Does it? The only buff flamestorm received in the changelogs was this:

>Increased stagger, specifically against armored enemies on light attacks.

I don't see how that translates to "the weapon that deals virtually no damage to anything that isn't a horde is now viable".

>>14636643

It does 375 damage a tick to armored enemies, ticks several times a second, is a massive cone, and now does absolutely broken knockback that prevents the armored shit from advancing. So it takes longer, sure, but you can just stand in front of a patrol and burn them all to death without them being able to really do jack shit about it now.

>>14636643

I know this feel.

>Olesya's monologue changes according to the last mission you played

Huh, I never noticed.

>>14637504

i hope mod tools land before the game is dead, i really want to play dwarf squad

Do falchion skins even exist? In almost 120 hours of play I've yet to drop even a generic looking one.

WHY ARE PUBS SO SHIT

>tfw comedy combat

>>14636489

>do an actual like .2 damage with flamer to elf who walks into my gout of flame despite the fact ive been flaming for a solid 3 seconds already

>shoots me with bow like 6 times.

>>14637654

I have one with golden shit and a skull on it, never saw any other. Now, what about volley crossbow skins? I only saw striped paintjob of a regular model, and that's it. Are there any alternate models, like for handguns and pistols?

>>14637833

the reckoning axe is the same as the default WH axe, but with a bit of gold on it

>>14637901

As time goes on, things change, including rules for a religion. In regards to religion, all it takes is one dumbass and/or weak man given power over a religion to make things worse for it.

>>14637901

Because trying to copy your God is a big no no in most religions.

What's the strategy for handling chaos spawns on legend? So far it's been a rapetrain every time one pops up

>>14640698

Whoever it is targetting kites and generally does not attack at all. Everyone else attacks from ranged or if they don't have the ammo they stand there looking stupid. As long as you can block and keep dodging backwards you should be safe, you only get fucked when you get yourself cornered. Like with the ratogre, the spawn usually only uses unblockable attacks when stationary, attacks while moving are blockable which is why you keep kiting.

When he uses the grab, always dodge away from it. Either backwards or in the same direction as the swipe, NEVER into the swipe like you would in a game with iframe dodges.

If a horde appears you should generally focus on killing the horde first

>>14640698

I'd like to add that there is also an element to preventing the rapetrain from happening in the first place. In all ingenuity fatshark made hordes come on a timer but bosses spawn on triggers. So if you get a feeling for what that timer is and what the places are where bosses can spawn, don't mix the two together. Obviously not so easy since pubs just run like headless chickens and pile all the possible shit on themselves.

>>14641146

dunno about potato-tier, but my average and old gaming pc can handle it if i turn down alot of settings, it's rough on HDD's too fyi, maybe ssd is the best thing to install it on but idk can anyone confirm a better gaming experience with an ssd?

there's alot more settings i can turn down too fyi ,so maybe, it's worth it, the game sold over 1 million copies now so you wont be lonely playing this, the ded-phase is a long way off yet.

>>14641828

So I can confirm good weapon skins can drop from veteran, but what's the word with headgears? Champion only? Commendation only?

>>14641828

>pic 2

We do not speak of AIDS of Smegmar. That abomination is not a proper Dwarf.

>>14641863

The only one I have dropped from a commendation chest.

>>14637218

Slayers "wear" anything which makes them more noticeable in battle. Color is not even have to be orange, it can be any bright color. Slayer cult is not a fucking fashion police.

>>14642375

Depends on the map. On some they're really fucking easy, on others tomes require what other levels ask for grims.

>>14624160

>It's not like /v/ values being nice and respecting people.

Who's saying anything about being nice and respectful? The main problem I have is that the vast majority of elf players are

SHIT

at the game. The fact that they're cunts that focus on killwhoring or run off on their own and blame the team for not following them is secondary really.

>>14642375

Practice solo. Once you have personally found every tome and grim on a map twice you will probably remember it for the future. Doesn't count if you have a teammate lead you to it, you have to personally see the landmarks and reach the location. I don't recommend trying to learn all the maps at once however. Do two or three a day at most, but make sure you learn all the spots on whichever maps you are studying.

>>14635502

>no party damage

They do it all the time. It stacks up. Saw a few people die to it.

>>14642690

ALMOST none. If someone just passes the laser over you it will probably do about 0.1 damage out of 100. They could do that 20 times in the amount of HP you get from a single kill. The way the beam staff works is a ramp up, the longer it lingers on a target (including an ally) the more damage it does per second, up to the maximum at around 1.25-1.5 seconds.

For the most part, the only way somebody is going to die to beam staff by accident is if you happen to touch them when their temp health has decayed to 0 already (the point where one hit of anything kills). It doesn't really matter how many times they briefly touch you it won't even do a full 1HP worth of damage. However, if they let it linger or use the "railgun" shot that's a different story. The railgun tends to do about as much damage as most higher-damage single-shot weapons (eg longbow, drakefire pistols etc).

>>14642723

Here you assume that they do friednly fire only with the beam and not with the F. Which they also do.

And furthermore some siennas do explode.

>up to the maximum at around 1.25-1.5 seconds.

That depends on power of items. And on legend where you whole party is barely hanging in there, it's hardly a small thing.

>>14642739

The point is that they can beam all they like, shotgun all they like, and while they shouldn't aim at you hitting you by accident does not matter and you are wrong for complaining about it.

Yes, F is another story, although there is very little that can be done to control that.

>>14642765

Most of the FF dmg happens due to shit teammates walking through you when you're using ranged weapons. If you're fuckign retarded to go through your teammates that are already engaging an enemy you deserve that ff in your ass.

>>14642780

The two teammates who are keeping the horde from expanding your anus and allowing you to shoot at all, need to be able to sidestep to avoid blows.

You retard desire for kills is what burns their backs at a constant rate.

Most siennas could keep a steady shot in a direction without shooting all over their allies in an attempt to get ALL THE KILLS. Except siennas that aren't nigger tier are super rare.

Furthermore beam staff is not the only sienna weapon.

why the fuck do people dawdle so much on ledges when everyone else is already down? I just had to break the game to get a siena back up from near death

>>14642765

The amount of damage one single slaverat could do in one attack is more than the beam will do in the entire game. She's doing her job and preventing you from taking excessive damage, stop whining and do yours.

>>14642824

That implies that your teammates will allow themselves to get hit.

Stop being a faggot and stop damaging your team you quadruple nigger !

>>14642842

They absolutely will get hit. I'm protecting my team and preventing them from taking unnecessary damage, doing my job. Your complaining will only lead to a loss

>>14642866

>it's ok to friendly fire on Legend because I'm helping :DDDDD

Kill yourself.

>>14642901

It's even more OK on legend. The enemy damage goes up but the friendly fire stays the same, meaning that you do even less damage relative to the risk of an enemy getting through.

>>14642909

No it's not ok because HP is 10 times more valuable.

>>14642921

Wrong. HP is less valuable on Legend than it is on Champ. Enemies do 1/3rd of your bar per hit, so any smaller amount is irrelevant. Hordes are also bigger, meaning more kills and more temporary health if you are successful.

You're just trying to blame somebody else for your own failure and nobody is buying it.

>>14642930

>Wrong. HP is less valuable on Legend than it is on Champ

>having bigger hordes means more temporary health

>therefore I can friendly fire you more

Stop fucking friendly firing in the first place you MORON!

>>14642949

A little friendly fire is necessary and healthy. Or do you like being surrounded by slaverats and instakilled because your pyro and dwarf are too afraid to shotgun mobs around you?

>>14642949

>therefore I can friendly fire you more

That is 100% what it means. Being capped out on team health means friendly fire is less detrimental when slave rats can gib you in one second due to a lucky phantom hit.

>>14642958

The key word here is *a little*. Most Siennas don't into *a little* they go into *the whole fucking match*.

>>14642962

So how is then, you absolute shitter that I would kick from my games, that I can find siennas who both save the party and don't friendly fire at all ?

May be there are just good players and shitters like you. And you being a shitter, end up defending the shitters.

>>14643002

There are no weapons that require friendly fire to function. Get good.

>>14642803

Sidestepping has nothing to do with what I said. A good sienna can keep a horde at bay solo even on legend. If the fags guarding on the other side have nothing to do between waves they come to hit the one that the sienna is holding and walking through her.

That leaves a side unguarded and ready for specials backstab just so they can hit stuff. Who is chasing green circles again?

>>14642909

Friendly fire doesn't stay the same. 0.1 on Champ, 0.25 on Legend.

>>14643115

>That lack of curse res

>>14643153

That looks like ~20% curse res. 0 would be a lot less.

>>14643248

I settle for no less than 30% curse res personally speaking. And no less than 16% increased health.

>>14642637

Don't fucking kid yourself, most arguments against elf is about how mean she is, the players argument is convenient but thoroughly unprovable.

>>14643026

>Who is chasing green circles again?

Normally the sienna who is burning all sides of defense at all occasions, horde or not.