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mass effect 3 was good besides the ending

I unironically like Mass Effect: Andromeda

>>14605192

Are you a masochist?

>>14605188

>mass effect 3 was good besides the ending

No it was fucking shit all through, people give ME2 shit for some Streamlining but it was till a fucking game where as ME3 was so streamlined the only thing keeping it from movie game territory was the few options you had.

>>14605126

Any Bioware game after arguably Mass Effect and Dragon Age: Origins is shit. Because after those two is when the Bioware staff shakeup occurred. The two founders Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuck left the company, not wanting to be the next Richard Garriot or Peter Molyneux aka scapegoat for Electronic Arts. They started hiring the people that would make nu-Bioware infamous, like Hamburger Hepler. You can argue that Bioware has never made a “good” game, but at least the old ones felt like there was some effort put in. Shit like Inquisition and Andromeda feel like they have no soul.

>>14605188

It didn't even have quest tracking, your quest log would stay the same no matter how far you got in finishing the quest. And since it's an RPG with a lot of quests, this would often lead to revisiting locations just to find out that you already finished that step.

>>14605875

In Mass effect 1&2 you had to explore the galaxy to find shit or talk to people for meaningful quest or interactions where in 3 it's pure fetch quests and auto dialogue.

>>14605126

Mass Effect 3 had some significant changes based on Wrex' survival.

The game is a chore to play just like Mass Effect 1 and is nowhere to being as good as 2.

>>14605126

>Water is wet

Hey faggot, if you want people to circlejerk over a fact, reddit is that way

>>14606218

Your also missing how shit the gameplay in 3

>limited the guns you could take by making them heavy and making cooldowns super fucking slow

>Was insanely streamlined

>Auto dialogue

>Game was easier then a thot just coming out of freshmen year

>Music lacked the sci-fi orchestra that made ME2 famous

I know /v/ will shit on me for this but ME2 had the best gameplay out of the 3 games and despite the hole ridden plot and filler story it was the most enjoyable ME game.

>>14605188

My brother and I played the demo and we literally had to turn off the console because we were laughing so hard by the time the ship flies off. The random kid dying was so fucking cringy like holy shit.

>>14606873

2 at least had proper levels. Problem was none of the side-content mattered in 3 like it did for 1. In 1 most of the side missions had a follow up in 2 which was nice.

Biggest problem with 1 is that outside of the main plot everything is horribly cut and paste boring asset re-use planets.

Mass Effect 3 is pretty shit but like the previous game, the Vanguard space rugby build is fun to play.

>>14605188

>mass effect 3 was good besides the ending

That's a meme. The entire game was awful.

>>14605192

I don't like it but I enjoyed some of the stuff that reminded me of the freedom of ME1. Sadly it's still buggy as hell and they stopped trying to fix the game 6 months after release.

>>14606800

>Music lacked the sci-fi orchestra that made ME2 famous

This is what happens when you have too many composers. The whole soundtrack had no soul. Clint Mansell was underused, Hulick is meh, the other guys made shitty electro music.

I'm glad Jack Wall went to work for Treyarch, Black Ops 2 has one of the best CoD soundtracks.

Also:

>PC version was a straight port of the console version, so next to no proper PC settings

>you can't holster your weapon anymore, you're always aiming at everything because of the shitty hardware on consoles (the game fades to black when the character enters a gun-free area)

>the game looked ugly as hell, a shame because ME2 looked pretty good

>They fucked up the UI and the menu. The missions log and the codex were put into the same folder, the sidequests never tell you where to go.

>>14606218

also:

>Illusive Man becomes the big bad guy because reasons that made no sense.

He's a "humanity first" kind of guy, why the hell would he try to control the Reapers FFS?!

Thanks captain obvious

>>14606938

>Jack Wall

Suicide Mission is still one of the best tracks I've heard in a game it hits all the right spots.

>>14605126

even from the first one ME had nothing but Telltales tier branching story paths and only in the first game much like TT only had a story branch in the first Walking Dead game that cmberged in the same ending as all the others

so, what's that big decition with repercutions in the sequels?

wich character you sacrifice

and the pay out for your choise?

wich of them greets you in ONE cutscene yep, one and ONLY one cutscene where they greet you as an NPC then you never heard of them again

as for ME2

the only thing that get's carried to the third game is who died in the last mission, but it ain't like it'll affect gameplay cus every ME2 character is an NPC in 3

ME is has always been and will always be overhyped shit not worth the hours i wasted playing it until i realized it was shit

>>14606980

Zaeed and Wrex were the best squad mates.

1 was great but heavily flawed. 2 was pretty much a DLC stretched into a full game, gameplay was overall better but the actual RPG mechanics went to shit. 3 was a disaster and killed both the series and Bioware.

>>14607017

This pretty much sums up ME.

>>14605188

Fuck off

ME3 was fucking shit

in fact the whole fucking series was shit

Name a game with worse gameplay

>>14607019

No it doesn't

Here is what sums up ME

Overrated tripe tbqhwujew

>>14607017

more or less

1 was rough on the edges but had a great potential, which was then thrown out the window with 2

While I'm certain everyone who really cares has already seen it, Shamus Young practically wrote a novel on what was wrong with the ME series as a whole. Quite worth the read.

>>14607093

Link?

>>14607094

You open up Google or whatever government surveillance program works best for you, type in "Shamus Young M" and select "Shamus Young Mass Effect" from the dropdown menu.

>>14605192

They only have to remake all the characters and the plot…

>>14607122

>game is now about everyone doing colonization of new galaxy

>but this autistic girl with huge inheritance from her important father keeps fucking with everything

>everyone just acts super infantile to her and they send her on dumb quests to make her fuck off

>>14605188

>the whole game revolves around a super duper weapon that solves all problems if you push the button

>the blueprints of the weapon where hidden in the first prothean site humans ever found

>yet for 50 years no researcher ever found them, you have to wait for hutson pet asari to find them

>everybody pour resources in the super duper weapon while reapers push on all fronts

>combat goes against lore, because if you want the cod audience you have to make enemies fall fast

Me3 was a shitty game all around.

>>14607549

The endgame was always going to be fighting the Reapers which was always a losing battle. Its just the original ending was something to do with dark energy destroying the galaxy so the Reapers show up to cull the races that can use mass effect travel. They changed that to lol synthesis and cyborg aliens killing aliens to prevent them from making robots that will kill them later anyway.

>>14607549

>everybody pour resources in the super duper weapon while reapers push on all fronts

The super duper weapon that they don't even know what it does. The only logical conclusion about it in universe is that it's another Reaper trap, which given how 2/3s of the endings end with the Reapers winning and surviving, might as well be fucking canon.

>start me3

>alliance dreadnaught-class ships somehow in-atmosphere over vancouver when only reapers have mass effect cores powerful enough to land ships that size planetside

>they get blown up which should scatter dust-form eezo over the city rendering it chernobyl'd for generations due to eezo being carcinogenic

>this is never discussed probably because it'd make the whole thing look stupid

The game started stupid and just got worse from there

>>14607640

>alliance dreadnaught-class ships somehow in-atmosphere over vancouver when only reapers have mass effect cores powerful enough to land ships that size planetside

>this is never discussed probably because it'd make the whole thing look stupid

Not only the dreadnaught but the fucking SR-2 gets in-atmosphere too. It goes against the lore established in ME2. The first Normandy could get into the atmosphere of a planet but not the SR-2 because it was way too big, that's why they used the Hammerhead.

>>14606218

What really got to me is that the biocucks were begging BioWare to sell them an alternative ending, they were telling them they'd fork over even more money for them to make three new cutscenes, and this was the moment BioWare chose to invoke artistic integrity.

They had the next Star Wars on their hands, or at least the next big household soft sci-fi hit, and they shat it up so thoroughly the whole IP has been put on ice indefinitely.

>>14607094

Here:

https://shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?cat=508

Fifty articles of undistilled autism about the problems of Mass Effect series.

>>14611194

BioWare writers follow Jew Jew's school of writing stories. Set up a bunch of mystery boxes with no answers and hope the dumbfuck stuck making the sequel figures something good out.

>>14611194

The amusing bit is your post does a better job justifying the ending than the game. However, they did it so badly that the reaper just cull all organic life beyond a certain threshhold and what makes it all the more pathetic is if the Geth were not peaceful and were instead very warlike and enacted their own purge, there wouldn't even be any organics to purge and they'd have failed at their own job.

Your questions can be explained away by the ingame logic; leave some advanced tech around for people to reverse engineer, steering them along certain routes of tech to ensure you've got a rough idea what you'll be fighting every time, and the citedal is placed amongst the relays so it naturally becomes the political hub of the empire(s).

This also helps undercut the 'what if they don't develop mass relay tech and instead do warp/wormhole/whatever.' since you're letting them reverse engineer tech.

>>14611220

Indeed. They utterly, utterly shitted it up so spectacularly they had to soft reboot it in another galaxy and then shat that up as well. Worst bit was there was nothing in the game to disprove the indoctrination theory so bioware could have just gone "…aw shucks, ya got us, here's the real ending" and tried to explain the fuckup away as a publicity stunt.

>>14606873

1 gave you four guns, each could be modded to have a different effect to play when the enemy is killed. It also had a vast array of identical powers, especially biotic.

Lift, Singularity, Stasis and Throw are all an ability that stuns the enemy for a short amount of time. Warp does some damage, Barrier is essentially just Shield Boost.

The powers also can't be combined. Mass Effect 2 expanded on them with Warp Detonation, and 3 brought in full power combos.

Take off your nostalgia glasses, Mass Effect 1 has literally nothing in it that is even on par with Mass Effect 2.

>>14611238

Thanks.

>>14611246

>They utterly, utterly shitted it up so spectacularly they had to soft reboot it in another galaxy and then shat that up as well. Worst bit was there was nothing in the game to disprove the indoctrination theory so bioware could have just gone "…aw shucks, ya got us, here's the real ending" and tried to explain the fuckup away as a publicity stunt.

I'm not even sure how it was hard to make a decent ending for ME3 all they needed were

>A golden Ending where you defeat the Reapers forever

>Bad ending where Reapers win

>Bitter sweat ending

That's all they needed to do.

>>14611194

I forgot to mentioin that the dark matter thing means the reaper's make sense turning races into reapers; they turn the race into a reaper/gestalt conciousness and they're essentially boosting their processing power every cycle to try and work out a fix for the problem.

Okay, now things make more sense;

>mass effect stuff is killing reality.

>first reaper is race realising this and turning themselves into a reaper to have more time to work out a fix

>the others are races that were stopped from fucking up the galaxy with too much ezo tech, and turned into a reaper by previous reaper(s) to try and work out fix too

Suddenly you have something that actually… makes sense.

>>14611267

/v/ writes a better ending then Bioware.

>>14611254

>That's all they needed to do.

Yeah, but then they gotta be all pretentious and shit. Fuck hack writers. And fuck fans who try to justify the shit writing. At least it's an easy way to detect people with shit taste and mush for brains.

>>14611269

After everything that bioware has done and is most likely doing. That is not a high bar

>>14611267

The only issue is the Reapers presenting themselves so malevolently and not explaining themselves. If they're trying to find a fix, why not just tell the races the sacrifice they're going to have to make: Become the Reapers or abandon space travel.

Of course, this is a lot like that other space game where races are forced to choose between being trapped on their planets or be eliminated.

The only good bit of ME3…is the better version of the Revenant.

>>14605126

I've always wondered how a dog managed to have that much inside him.

>>14611274

>Yeah, but then they gotta be all pretentious and shit.

That's what still get's me even years now.

>>14611275

Very low bar.

>>14611313

>I really never saw the problem with the story

Because it's a dumb story told in an extremely poor way. The Reapers went from some Lovecraftian extragalactic horror to shitty robots trying to create an oversized human terminator.

>>14611359

>which caused them to double and triple down

What really puzzles me is why they thought going full Evangelion was a good idea. ME, thematically, was more in line with Star Trek, with a grittier edge to it, not humanity smashing itself apart, both spiritually and intellectually, trying to control cosmic horrors for their own ends.

You don't simply shove a pretentious downer ending when you spent a whole three games empowering the player and telling him how special he is.

>>14611359

ME3 is what truely killed Bioware as their brand never recovered and any game they released after was shit on super hard even by reddit.

>>14611459

Dragon Age 2 came before it.

>>14611469

Everyone blamed EA for that pile of shit. ME3 many TRIED to blame EA for but in the end reality set in. Some even tried to blame EA for the pile of shit that ME:A was too but that was just full on denial. it was nice witnessing the fans fall apart.

>>14611446

I will always enjoy waatching autistic stats like this.

>>14611525

What really fucked them over was their own laziness. There really was no need to shove in an ANCIENT EVIL HAS AWOKEN plot in ME, the universe didn't necessitate something like that to function.

They could have just left the race that built the Citadel and the relays as mysterious, maybe allowing the player to gather a few more clues about their ultimate fate and goals throughout the various games, but never anything definitive.

They already had the perfect plot hook, you're the first human specter, which basically means you're the ME equivalent of an Inquisitor, so go uncover plots about sedition, or how a group of rogue specters is trying to topple to Council, or that some new race beyond known space is gearing up for war (or even a Council race). The possibilities are endless so long as you don't force yourself into some retarded "save the galaxy" plot and keep things episodic.

>>14611525

>The fact that the narrative dissonance was so high Norman P. Normalfag noticed and started a veritable PR shitstorm is just a testament to how hard they shit the bed.

The run of the mill normalfag is negative about Bioware and most people ignore when their games come out.

>>14606884

1 was a RPG first then a shooter

2 was a Gears clone with some RPG elements tacked on

3 was an abortion.

>>14611563

ME3 was a slap to the face to most of them, considering how shit the game was, and after that BioWare gave them Inquisition and Andromeda, which were genuinely awful games that looked like some indie's first game project made on a shoestring budget, not something a veteran studio with millions of dollars and hundreds of employees at their disposal would produce.

I don't even know why EA allowed things to degenerate to such a degree. Surely they had people reporting to them about the quality of the games being made, and I'm not even saying EA gives much of a shit, but they should have cared when BioWare was clearly making games so bad they were doing irreparable damage to the brand name.

>>14611579

>1 was a RPG first then a shooter

It's RPG elements were poor and gameplay was wonky while the story was what made people interested.

>2 was a Gears clone with some RPG elements tacked on

The streamlining is kinda in a grey area because on one hand the RPG elements 1 had were poor and like >>14611253 was unremarkable, so it's debatable when the previous elements were so poor

>3 was an abortion.

Fully agree here.

>>14611590

Bioware after ME2, DA2 and ME3 had a major brain drain of it's core team who worked on ME and DA:O. The creep of sjw pretentious egos and inability to accept when an error was made is what helped Bioware die, EA from what I understand actually allowed Bioware freedom and didn't meddle much so most of their fall is on themselves.

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>>14605188

No, it was a kids version, janky looking, mawkish and wrapped up like a turd. It was the game that stopped me buying games.

I often fantasize about making a low budget indie bait mass effect spiritual successor.

>>14611735

Gone Home?

>>14611788

Tacoma.

>>14606873

>3 let you blaze though maps throwing magic at people

ME3 was the only Mass Effect where I had fun playing as an adept. The sound effect of the biotic combos always feels nice.

>>14611521

But that’s the thing. They totally ignore the backstory that you pick in ME1. Why not replace the stupid kid with Shepard’s parents if you chose colonist? Or his squad if you chose sole survivor? That’s the kind of shit that draws parallels to Telltale. I can’t think of a single time outside of ME1 that the character backstory mattered.

You ever play through the game multiple times? You start to notice that all the dialogue is pretty much the same minus 3-4 words that aren't necessarily even representative of a "Paragon" or "Renegade".

Mass effect 1 was great for making you feel like you were commander Shepard. The second game separated itself from the idea in favor of a more streamlined story. Honestly, Mass Effect 2 was fun once you got over the fact that you would be forced to go out of character on occasion. The third game pretty much made it so you were truly playing as commander Shepard rather than yourself. If you ask me, this is why the first game will always be the best one, and the third will be generic garbage.

>>14613051

>for making you feel like you were commander Shepard

No, it didn't. It made you feel like everyone's errand boy, on top of having to suffer the indignity of having to scavenge your own shitty equipment. They see fit to hand you over their most advanced prototype ship but can't be bothered to equip you with decent weapons and armor.

>>14613164

That's all just a result of it being a RPG. It'd have been a shitty game if you just got the best possible equipment immediately and you only had the main story to do.

>>14613186

>making excuses for the shit setup

No, fuck you. BioWare elevated the specters to "I can do whatever the fuck I want" and then has you scavenge around like a hobo instead of requesting equipment from the Council.

>>14613206

I don't really see where your coming from. Sounds like you wanted a basic third person shooter like gears.

>>14613035

I know what you mean. Sometimes even when you make paragade choice the dialogue differs slightly and still basically agrees or disagrees with you anyways, no matter the choice.

It's basically just a shitty minigame to rack points and rail road you through the game for no reason. I never liked it.

I also found myself disagreeing with the subjective moral premises paragade choices would make. Like morinth, samaras daughter. I don't like renegade would abandon a sworn justicar everyone is in awe of for a bar whore who picks on emotionally needed children. Stood out. Loyalty sounds like a standard for Shep and his feelings for his crew.

>>14613240

I wanted an actual RPG with some thought put into the setup, not a subpar third person shooter with pointless stats. Go be a biocuck someplace else.