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i would imagine anyone who played wow back in its heyday would agree with you. what's the point of this thread?

The gameplay doesn't change at any point during leveling unless when you play pvp/battlegrounds and even then it's up to debate on whether it's enjoyable or not. Just the attributes and the monsters you kill change over time. At the end of the day mostly the company you play the game with is the main ingredient that makes the whole experience fun and memorable. Or you can just chill out and do some casual questing and profession leveling.

>>14590298

It's not just WoW, it's all modern MMOs.

WoW had an undeniable atmosphere that is unmatched by games with vastly superior gameplay. Stranglethorn Vale is 100% the best zone in any MMO.

>>14590334

>Stranglethorn Vale is 100% the best zone in any MMO.

Grizzly Hills thinks you're a faggot.

>>14590341

winterspring hello

I played a 7 day trial of WoW 6 years ago or so.

It was really fucking addictive even in its early game, and very fun

>>14590292

Cant say shit about current year WoW but I had plenty of fun levelling during vanilla and TBC. Of course this was before they destroyed any semblance of a community and before the "streamlining" so I imagine its a soulless experience now.

Early WoW is only as fun as the people you play it with. The only enjoyable thing in that game is wiping buffed guilds going to raids. Other than that it's a terrible game. The combat is brain dead as fuck, the leveling is boring, small scale PvP is unbalanced and suffers greatly from the terrible combat system. There is not redeeming factor for WoW in any form as a "fun" game. It's just a good game for getting addicted to because of some satisfying grinds and the ability to grief in PvP. So it's an addicting bad game.

>>14590292

Well Blizzard perfected the Loot-color conditioning for retards, pretty colors and loot, daily grind to fix that itch, and ect.

>>14590341

Muh nigga! just a shame that Blizzard rushed WoTLK and killed a lot of zone content just to focus on retarded end game raids.

All games without an ultimate end goal or objective are shit.

>>14590458

Dailies are the worst thing to happen to MMOs. When i login I want to just play, not do chores.

>>14590694

No one is forcing you.

>>14590292

I do think WoW would be better if there was more focus on grouping. Like having most quests be (Elite) quests and most mobs be elite as well. I wouldn't want this for the entire game, it could start at level 40 zones for example. Guilds would be much more tight-knit if you constantly required grouping to get to level 60.

Is this your first theme park mmo? Mmos died back in 2005. Welcome to over a decade ago!

>>14590766

>wanting to play with the average retard

>relying on the average retard

The whole thing is rotten from the inside out. We will have to see a HUGE exodus before online games are good again.

>>14590341

>>14590458

I'm gonna have to go with the Barrens considering how many alts I stalled there just fucking around in chat, mining, looking for chests and getting hype joining the local militia when ally arrived to fuck with xroads.

>tfw spent most of my time there at max level, catching deviate fish and checking Lushwater and the pre-instance of WC for the three rare mobs that dropped BoE blues while shitting up general chat

Wasn't nearly worth the time shekel-wise, pure comfort value.

Fitting that the expac that killed the game for me was the one that also fucked the Barrens. Seeing that autoqueue raiding and joke of a Deathwing raid was enough for even my poopsocking addicted 15-year-old ass to know it was done for. I think WoW going to shit was what turned me bitter and overly critical of everything.

>>14590694

>Dailies are the worst thing to happen to MMOs.

They were certainly bad, but not the worst thing. The worst thing to ever happen to MMOs was the rush to endgame content, and forgetting that it's the players who should drive what happens in an MMO not NPCs, and events.

>>14590724

>if you don't like it don't play it

Die.

>>14590458

Fuck that music just tickles the back of my neck

I miss that and howling fjord music so much, all of northrend was great for comfy exploring

Eversong Woods and Kun-Lai Summit music also stick out as memorable.

>>14590766

While a bigger emphasis on working together with other players seems like the most intuitive idea to bring back what actually made MMOs good back then…

Please, consider the playerbase you have today. Think about the kind of people that still plays MMO's. Do you seriously want to play with any of them? Do you want to be forced to play with them?

There'd be the guy that has a wikia open in his browser and tells everyone how to do everything so you never have to figure stuff out.

There's the guy running a java applet to calculate total DPS based on your gear and spec, telling everyone what they should change to become optimal.

There's the PvP guy that's here just to clear stuff until he's max level and can fuck off, always rushing everyone.

There's the guy that doesn't say a word the whole time because he's price fixing the auction house while everyone else is talking and only chimmers in when discussing loot distribution.

There's the completionist that just wants some badge or something and wants this to be done as fast as possible.

There's the guy that's been "doing this same fukken raid for 5 hours now, and everyone has let me fucking down! I'm so sick of this shit, don't you fucking dare fuck it up!"

I think that's enough bad but recognizable stereotypes to dissuade anyone from this idea. MMOs can't be fixed until their playerbase is fixed. And quite honestly, considering the loot fest with pointless story, characters and world they tend to be, I can't even censor those mongs for being the way they are. They are the ones playing the game the way it's meant to be played after all.

>Playing WoW past the Burning Crusade.

I too made that mistake

Simply to milk the few cash splashing paying faggots who still spend money on keeping up with the endgame.

New players pay to automatically level their characters up to catch up with the endgame.

It's all about making a profit. Content is constantly being outdated due to updates so it's all 'muh endgame' now.

Also is PvP any less an afterthought than what it was? I could see that being a profit if people spent money on that shit

>>14590724

yes they do, do your chores every day or be 500% weaker than everyone else.

>>14590292

its for the same reason that banjo-kazooie and tooie have you learn now moves as you progress through the game

it prevents the gameplay from getting stale while you level up

also, at least in vanilla, every class got access to quite a few skills by the time they hit level 10, and they have almost all of them by level 40

and the debuff limit was a mistake, and mages should've gotten some alternative single-target frost damage spell that isn't ice lance

oh, and in case some of you care, you don't need a sub to post on these forums for vanilla WoW discussion, if you care

just a free trial(starter edition) lvl 1 WoW character in the appropriate server region is all it takes to post there

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/22814264/

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/19369714/

The day they stop focusing on raids that nobody cares about is the day the game will get good again. I'll take a solid quest line over a raid any day. Or better yet, sandbox elements.

Warcraft was never about the raiding, in fact everyone hated the notion of downing bosses in that environment back in vanilla as it's an impersonal experience.

For whatever reason Blizzard thought people liked it an rolled with it. And I've never seen a misstep in game direction of that proportion since.

>>14591685

The thing is, those people pretty much always existed, but everyone hated them, so they mostly didn't get a lot of groups. With group finders, you can't really control who you get, ignore lists are mostly useless, and it's pretty impossible to make friends. And with everything being cross-server, or in some cases, only partially cross-server, communities are all but dead. Add that to all the content being incredibly easy and risk free, and you end up with a bunch of people who never have to learn anything.

The only way to fix the playerbase is to just make an MMO in the older style, and for the devs to stick to their guns and tell people to sink or swim. The only problem is that the only way something like that could possibly happen is with WoW Classic, and Blizzard is completely incompetent.

>>14591804

having more entry-level raids, such as MC, kara, and WotLK naxx isn't really a bad thing unless it takes away from other parts of the game

raids having substantially better gear than what was offered in the starting raids was a mistake

>>14591685

Two things. First of all, a "good MMO" (one which required actual coordination to do dungeons which give good loot, and one where the combat isn't braindead) won't necessarily attract all of the same people that play modern WoW.

Second of all, like >14591986 said, no matchmaking for groups means no fucking cancer. Matchmaking is the worst thing to happen to multiplayer games in general, not just MMOs. It is just an excuse to allow people who nobody else wanted to play with to group with those same people. Think about Xbox Live and how retarded people fucking act, leaving their mics open while domestic violence occurs in their home, screaming at you while dead because they can communicate to alive teammates (this one is particular to the new Rainbow Sex game) etc. Now think about how multiplayer games were before 2005. Everything was run on a dedicated server controlled by admins. Nobody has the patience for that fucking shit so those people would have been permanently banned until they finally realize that yes, you actually have to behave online too.

>>14590292

I agree, having a blast leveling in ESO

>>14592117

There was no sequel.

>>14592137

yeah, reality is a nightmare

>>14592117

>>14592137

>>14592145

GW1 was the better RPG

GW2 was the better MMO

>>14592124

The current version of ESO does a good job in allowing people to explore and just play the damn game at their own pace.

>>14592168

>the better MMO

Hard to argue with considering guild wars 1 wasn't a MMO. It was a traditional multiplayer game with essentially a fancy server browser.

>>14592244

I agree. The devs themselves described it as CORPG (Cooperative Online RPG), didn't stop everyone from calling it an MMO though.

>>14592168

GW2 was a horrible MMO and anyone that likes it is a dumb babby that never had a taste of anything decent to good.

>>14590292

It's why I never got into MMOs

>okay, you made a character, great!

>now spend a few months doing shitty fetch and kill quests and grinding until you reach the level cap

>game gets really fun once you reach the level cap!

Then why the fuck not just start the game at the level cap already? If you know that the content is dogshit, why force everybody to go through it before reaching the "good part"? It's literally just a test of patience whether you can spend enough time with mindless grinding to join the cool kids. I don't mind making the player work to get stronger (I even fucking wholeheartedly endorse it), but if that is the case, make sure the process of getting stronk is actually fun

Also

>promised end game fun is actually just meta shittery

>>14591685

There's also the chad guildie who plays to contribute to their guild's success, and enjoys shooting the shit with other chads in guild chat. Birds of a feather flock together anon, its not my fault you end up with the slime and shit of the community.

>>14592293

The only MMO I've ever played where leveling actually makes sense in terms of how the game is designed is FFXI and even then it still boils down to more grinding with the only big difference being that your grinding has more long lasting benefits rather than just being a thing you have to do before you're allowed to play the game.

>>14592293

>grind for months

>OP's post has a picture of a game known for letting your buy your way to near max level

>even without this, said game tosses out levels so fast that not paying just adds about 2-3 hours to the "grind" to max level that's probably only a week tops knowing how casual western MMOs are

I swear, western gamers have no idea what grind truly means. The last western MMO I played, it took me all of 8 or so days to get to max level only to find that endgame was full of retards who had reached endgame without learning the most basic of the game's mechanics because they hadn't read a single letter of text the game had put in front of them since the character creation process.

>>14592353

>paying for in-game content

>ever

And I'm pretty sure that back when I played WoW, you couldn't get to level cap in just a week, even if you played 24/7.

>>14592399

Your issue is that you care more about the gear than smashing mythic bosses with your friends. The part where you actually play the game, I mean. Who cares about the gear when you're supposed to be playing the game for killing shit with your guildies?

>>14590469

mount & blade warband

>>14593540

Also during MOP that you needed the dragon mounts to actually fly around if you didn't want to wait for the later patch too add flying in and wanted too farm for ores/herbs ezpz

>>14592293

I enjoyed WAR, the Warhammer Fantasy MMO, because you could play PvP scenarios from level 1 and it was totally fine. You could get gear from it as well. So you could play the game and do nothing but PvP to get to max level. The battleground design was pretty decent and I enjoyed it.

>>14593928

>you will never play pvp pre release WAR again

Man, that was pretty damn fun before they released the floodgates and turned the pvp into a giant 5fps clusterfuck.

>>14593991

You are right regarding how it is implemented, but it doesn't need to be.

A proper level in an MMO should be tied to the idea of progression of doing a particular job. Something on par with unlocking skills, or giving you customization fields for certain attacks or spells.

Consider tabletop DnD. In that game you have stats and stat increases from level up are very rare and small. Coming roughly every 4 levels. Compare that to your typical MMO giving you at least 20 in just your dump stat every level (and consequently nothing to do with that stat besides raw combat) and you can immediately see the problem.

>>14593576

You're mistaken. You could buy flying as soon as you hit level cap.

>>14594253

If I recall correctly, the Dark Irons are now lead by Moira, who is their queen after the emperor was killed by player characters in vanilla. The Dark Irons have been collaborating with the Alliance since at least MoP.

>>14594253

>darkironterrorist

>not "allahuackbar"

>>14590292

I don't know, anon. I've reached a point of all consuming cynicism about this game at this point that even vanilla WoW, which everyone rants was the pinnacle of the game, hasn't been enough to draw me into it anymore. I have a moment of self awareness when I was running the zandalari isles from island to island looking for durotar tigers to kill for quest, that this game was just not fun, not now, not at the beginning of it all.

Fuck, who even cares about WoW at this point anyways? I've spent such a disgusting amount of time in all expacs private servers and retail that by the time wodlords of wodnor came about I was puking at the thought of bothering with it ever again. Lets do something more interesting and post some of its sweet as fuck soundtrack

>>14594253

The Horde first came to Azeroth from Draenor, primarily being manipulated by the Burning Legion through the warlock Gul'dan, who tricked the Warchief Ner'zhul into making a blood pact with Kil'jaeden. On the Azeroth side of things, Sargeras (the Dark Titan who is in charge of the Legion) possessed the sorcerer Medivh and used him to open the Dark Portal for Gul'dan to begin the Horde's invasion of Azeroth.

TL;DR The Horde ties into the story as being slaves of the Burning Legion. They eventually broke free from Kil'Jaeden and Gul'dan through the actions of Thrall and Orgrim Doomhammer, which are shown in Warcraft 3 iirc.

>>14594253

Read the WoW Retcon Chronicles for their lore fuck ups, they really did a number on the Burning Legion, made them small and made their new big bad the "Void Lords" look more menacing in comparison. http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/World-of-Warcraft-Chronicle-Vol-3/Full?id=132397

>>14594541

Good music wasted on an empty zone that got most of it's quests cut because they couldn't stop zone lag with Dalaran floating above.

>>14594253

Big deal. Elfs are part of horde faction. Orks dindu nuffin. Thrall is the saint loved by all. The most treacherous bitch leads the horde after betraying it in every expansion. Players killed same boss a few fucking times and now there is infinite supply of him via wombly dombly time portal hurr durr alternative reality future past. what the fuck they were thinking? And everyone is corrupted. And whatshisname chief druid is a damsel in distress.

Nigger dorfs joining alliance is fucking nothing.

>>14594454

I know she was all brainwashed or something but in Cata she had some voice lines that still seemed like she wanted to undermine the other ruling dwarfs and take over.

>>14594599

I know the wc3 lore I'm wondering about vanilla wow, i played horde to about lvl 40 and all i saw was this: You've proven your honor now go out and kill the night elves cause we need that land and lumber. And they didn't get a lot of love from blizzard like alliance did quest-lore wise.

>>14594752

>”There are about six or seven different ideas for expansions that we can take elements of and say, ‘You know what? Let’s take that and put it in this one for our next expansion after the next one.’ Or we might shift the timelines around from what we originally envisioned. There’s easily 10 years worth of stuff that we can draw from – more, really.”

This was posted in 2014 by Tom Chilton god fucking damn blizzard to hades. How much more retarded can this shit get.

>>14594599

Thanks brother.

>>14594541

Listened to a bunch of these tracks feeling nostalgic today and I realized even if I were still playing in these zones I would just be doing the same mindless kill x things or click y things ad nauseam when all I really miss is the music.

Except I can just listen to the soundtracks instead while doing more productive anything.

>>14594253

Horde were concerned with Rend Blackhand and the 'Fake Horde' that had taken up residence in Blackrock Mountain. They also knew that if they were allowed to steamroll the continent they would be next.

>>14592427

Progression junkies are a sad, sorry bunch.

>>14594109

Ultima Online, Runescape, Guild Wars are like this. Though slightly more item dependant these days.

>>14594253

Don't care about these dumb reskins, they need to introduce actually interesting races like Naga or a Third Faction with it's own slew of races.

>>14594863

Black Rock is real Horde, the new playable horde is the fake horde.

>>14594253

The alliance is accepting nigger dwarves because the princess of Ironforge got knocked up by one. This is not a joke.