/v/ - Video Games

>>14563484

>How many shell companies do Chris&friends own at the moment? Last time I checked there were around 20.

At this point I consider Star Citizen to be a Mossad money laundering operation.

>>14563907

It was always the case.

Modern art IS money laundering for corporations. Mostly, for deformed kikes that own them.

>>14564172

Not "corporations," for the intelligence community and drug dealers (aka the intelligence community.)

>>14564245

I always laugh about how Yahweh abandoned the jewish people after the destruction of the second temple. It must really suck to go from being "the chosen people" to being a racially exclusive rhetorical college.

>>14564339

Yeah, in battle, not when you're just going around bombing civilian populations you have in open air camps, schlomo.

>>14564339

>Kikes actually believe this

Non-cowards have control over their bowels and can squat and dump within five minutes.

>>14564339

put your poo in a loo, anon.

>>14564356

>pic says non-civilian resistance

Its source is also (((wikipedia))). Non-civilian to Israelis means non-Israeli.

>>14564356

>combat goes on for twenty hours without any cover where you could take a quick dump

So you shat your pants because you didn't take a shit before your operation. Good for you, faggot. Do you even know which way to point your gun so you don't become your pic related, or do you need daily instructions?

http://archive.is/i1Ciq

>>14564408

Stay triggered kike.

Go throw white phosphorous missiles on Palestinian children.

>>14564428

Sure thing, private Shitpants.

>(((They))) are this triggered over jew memes

How do these people find this site?

>>14564433

Tell me, how often did Ahmed throw rocks at you after following your piss and shit trail?

>exactly 1 mr shitface a month

>>14564457

That's assuming the funding tracker is even accurate and not an autoupdating javascript that simulates interest in the game.

>>14564444

The ADL and IDF pay them to post here.

What did I miss?

>>14564917

The most blatant hasbara posting you will see outside of /pol/ today,

>>14564922

Tell me the tale anon-kun

>>14564930

Israeli defending shitting yourself in battle and the a bunch of streloks telling him he's a faggot jew.

The funniest thing about this game to me is that the only people interested in it are furries and goons. That's like making a game that appeals to only crips and bloods.

>>14564932

doesn’t the idf wear diapers?

>>14564936

Even the goons are jumping ship.

>>14564938

That image was what prompted it, yes.

>>14564958

It's funny because this has happened before, all throughout the sixties and seventies, as crazy people gathered in cults to await space ships that would never come.

>>14564956

Thanks anon

>>14565030

It'll be like in Space Station Silicone Valley where you can use the penguin's farts to propel yourself.

>>14564936

Goons want it to be the new Eve Online, to try (and fail) to restart their scheme of turning the game into a portal for political activity.

They are losing everything, everywhere, and are desperate to fund anything that (they think) will maintain their grasp on public opinion.

If goons are interested, it is mandatory to ruin it.

>>14565054

>If goons are interested, it is mandatory to ruin it.

How can you ruin something that will never exist?

>>14565054

Pretty sure goons only care because of their kind got hired to make ship models. I doubt he still works there.

>>14565068

"Checkmate, Atheists…"

[unsolicited opinions on star citizen??]

>>14565097

Wasn't 3.1 hailed as the game changer? I remember people telling me this was going to be when the game truly came into its own, but as far as I can see nothing has changed. It's still a buggy mess with next to no content or functional mechanics that chugs along with a framerate in the single digits.

People have also gotten pretty quiet about it, no one really talks about SC and the game is apparently still a decade away from release at the pace they're going. Oh well, reasons for goons to kill themselves are always welcome

>>14565166

The tech looks great. Would play it over something like Eve, wish we got a proper new X game, not too excited about star citizen,don't really care to hate it or like it but I hope it turns out great.

>>14565030

You're right, it should obviously make the enemies aim worse as it shows him that he has to do with a true operator that cares for naught but death.

>all these deleted posts

what happened?

>>14563484

> Last time I checked there were around 20.

but why? I thought you only needed one swiss bank account to store all the money.

>>14565302

>wish we got a proper new X game

Uh, pretty sure there is one in the making

>>14565030

Power armor spacesuit converts shit into electricity for temporary extended sprinting or thruster fuel, but makes you emit fumes over a wide radius causing most NPCs to avoid you while attracting certain ayys/furries unless you take a shower and pay microtransactions to have your ship cockpit cleaned by an Indian hygiene expert NPC/Player.

>>14565068

It exists. Is was always a money laundering scheme.

>>14565070

Even more reason to ruin it.

Goons credibility should be always brought down.

>>14565400

>>14564932

>>14565564

>>14565575

K.

You still need to go back to your shithole though.

>>14565575

>>14565564

>Goon roleplayers trying to show off their pretend toys

you guys trade child porn on your paywall forum.

>>14565564

>>14565575

What kind of autism is this

>>14564936

>furries

I almost forgot this was real.

>>14565696

Doesn't surprise me. Furries are usually social outcasts who cling to online communities to feel like they're a part of something special. Star Cultizen fills that role particularly well.

>>14565696

I don't even have to click that to know that fucking Sooty ass squeaky wannabe bastard lurks behind that thumbnail.

>Imkampfy is now a mod of /v/

>>14566018

Yes goy, /v/ needs to be more tolerant of our greatest allies.

>>14563484

So what's the source on that video?

>>14565641

>landing gear came down, instantly disappeared, and then came down again. Take a moment to consider how bad a programmer you'd have to be for that kind of mistake to even be possible.

You don't get it. SC is not if (g_pressed) { toggleGear(); }, they have dozens upon dozens of layers of systems that handle everything and they're usually in the middle of reworking at least 2 of them. This leads to bugfixing being virtually impossible and every single change introducing hundreds of new bugs. They have some 70 employees on QA.

>>14566018

It's a Mod by the name of goldenrod, if he keeps that up and even starts banning and deleting those posts in threads like Mount&Blade I might leave entirely.

>>14566828

*

Before any of you faggots who only wait for meta issues to crop up to chime in with your worthless bile you call an opinion. I only care about specific game types like 4x games or games where it's intimate with politics,

the faggots actually did it.. they made the UI even worse.

>>14566767

NOBODY gives a SHIT how a game works, how much of a technical masterpiece it is, how much work is involved or how many developers burned out.

Unless you are one of those insiders on resetERA gamers just want the game Chris. WERE IS THE FUCKING GAME

>>14565641

>There was another one where some cunt kept walking up and down the stairs going on about how "neat" and "cool" it was and how it "adds a whole new level of immersion".

I have a question: how many people will really like to go through all that bullshit just to launch a ship or dock to a station? I mean all those checklist/immersion stuff sounds really cool on paper and maybe fun the first time I bet, but I doubt that the players will enjoy doing that 1000 times.

>>14567527

Manual checklists aren't bad if they can be done quickly and rely primarily on muscle memory instead of sheer number of immersion buttons to click.

Example:

>Elite Dangerous

>want to dock ship at Space Station

>open contacts menu, send landing request and recieve clearance right away

>fly through station airlock, muscle memory myself towards the designated pad which has a big bright number hovering above it and multiple cockpit instruments pointing to it

>deploy gear, retrothrust toward the sweet spot indicated on the ship radar display

>landing successful

>didn't even need to use KB+M

whereas,

>Star Citizen

>try docking at outpost

>have to take hands off the stick, open the mobiGlas and fiddle through barely legible menus to make a landing request

>have to watch some drunk hipster ATC tell me the pad number over video chat

>close the mobiGlas, try to find landing pad

>pad is indicated by some tiny fixed triangle slightly above it which blends into the hyper-fidelic graphics

>finally find what I think is the right pad, too tired of this shit so I'll autoland

>ship lands

>get marked as a criminal for landing at the wrong pad

>Airlock closes, ship is now stuck

>Immersion

>>14567233

There was a UI?

>>14567471

I wasn't saying it's a technical masterpiece, I was saying that it's fucking spaghetti and no wonder there are stupid bugs all over it. It doesn't take a ridiculously bad programmer to allow "such" bugs to slip through when the base is such a mess, on the contrary, it's impossible to ship a release that isn't riddled with bugs.

>>14567629

They (seemed to) have spent such an amount of effort designing the UI, had a bunch of people on it, I'm amazed no one realized they need to make the mobiglass possible to navigate through the keyboard(or stick bindings) alone. All the menus in the game, everywhere, are fiddly shit with buttons that don't register clicks half the time thanks to the cinematic 5fps.

Was there really a jew sperging out itt over "antisemitism"?

>>14567669

Yes, and a goon telling everyone how cool he was for blowing hundreds of dollars on this shit.

>>14565030

source please

>>14567754

He's got soyboobs, but lacks the beard. Did we discover a new subspecies of soyboy?

>>14568037

>its okay if we never get a game it wasn't really about the game in the first place

>>14567993

Am i missing something here?

>>14568076

That's the opposite of what that person is saying.

>>14568081

That's Chris Roberts' wife. She works at CIG doing something about management or marketing or something. She also, as you can see, used to do tickle porn.

>>14568124

Well allrighty

>>14566767

Unless things have changed from what I have seen of the code (bugsmashers) there are no layers, systems or any conceptial ideas whatsoever. It's all just event spaghetti dumped all over the place, often completely inappropriately. Think of starcitizen as a Crysis mod written by people who don't know what a class is.

>>14567664

Here's one example a long standing bug by the "programmer" from the bugsmashers videos. When the player tries to interact with a switch or panel the code to check if they can click it was put onto the asynchronous (delayed) job queue that cryengine provides. By the time the job was actually processed at some time in the future obviously the player/switch/ship/etc could have moved meaning the result was complete nonsense.

Hopefully that gives you some idea of how bad the programmers are.

>>14567527

Yes, it's a massive flaw in the game design. The problem is that many people are too autistic to see that. It's obvious to us but autists genuinely don't understand it. They have terrible visualisation skills, no imagination and deficient "theory of mind". Naturally only a retard would back/defend star citizen in the first place hence the large bias towards retards in the cult.

>>14568167

>cryengine

I completely forgot about this. What a trainwreck.

>>14568124

>tickle porn

>porn without fucking

Somehow that seems gayer than furshit

>>14568167

>Think of starcitizen as a Crysis mod written by people who don't know what a class is.

It's more apt to say it's a collection of Crysis mods that shit the bed the moment they are made to work together.

>Naturally only a retard would back/defend star citizen in the first place hence the large bias towards retards in the cult.

They masturbate to all the immershun bullshit now, both once they actually get to play the game (if ever) they'll be screeching at Roberts to put in an option to disable all the animations and clutter when the novelty wears off.

>>14568178

Have they fixed the low player cap? Last I head the game could handle a maximum of 24 players per instance, and this when some of the bigger ships require half that number to be manned properly, and ignoring whatever fighters they might be carrying.

I wonder what possessed Roberts to choose an engine designed for a single player FPS for his magnum opus, other than the shiny graphics I mean.

>>14567754

This.

If you happen to know a Star Citizen backer, kill it.

>>14568124

Women don't work. They whore out positions on the workplace.

A good indicative of any company being shit is if it hires women.

>>14568202

>I wonder what possessed Roberts to choose an engine designed for a single player FPS for his magnum opus, other than the shiny graphics I mean.

Money laundering if anything else is any indication.

> 180 million

Jesus christ, all I have to do is promise a bunch of vague stuff and I'm rich for life?

>>14568217

that ship has already sailed anon, neither KS or any sort of other crowdfunding are legally binding and i won't expect some gamercuck soyboy to show up at my house with an axe, much less so to actually muster up and use it against me

>>14568217

Being in bed with Hollywood helps.

>>14568206

>"for our more valued customers"

>whaddya mean you wanna be able to join a server? better pay up goy

this whole thing is such a fucking scam holy shit

>>14568227

>>14568206

Wait, so now buying the "game" doesn't even get you the fucking "game?"

>>14566704

major tom. even he gave up on shitting on the game.

>>14568206

>Reducing server load by decreasing the player count

That's not a solution.

At least the goon mass suicide will be funny.

>>14568202

>to choose an engine designed for a single player FPS

Probably the fact that Crytek is led by scumfuck Turks and was willing to do all the work used to kickstart the game in exchange for something.

>>14568344

I seem to remember them switching over to Cryengine after the kickstarter.

>>14568206

>our more valued customers

Jesus Christ.

>>14568336

The goons have probably already spent the $1200+ that gets them the goy overlord status with the priority access. Though this is for the PTU, meaning that most people didn't have access to this anyway. They might change it back for the public release since they don't care the cheapfags can't run the game.

>>14568346

No, read the documents up on Pacer. Crytek did literally all the preliminary work and development proper of the game only started well after the Kickstarter campaign was finished and Croberts had several million in the bank.

Coincidentially this is one of the claims Smart was right on and is something Roberts lied about (he alleged they already did a year of development on Roberts dime).

>>14568288

found a major tom youtube channel with many star citizen vids but can't find the song.

>>14568364

>The goons have probably already spent the $1200+

Jesus fuck.

>>14568366

If only his divorce claim came true.

>>14568202

>what possessed Robbers to use Cryengine for his epic VRMMOFPS space sim

From what I've gathered Roberts went to Crytek in 2011 and pitched them the initial game idea+crowdfunded business model.

Crytek then developed the Star Citizen proof of concept demo that was shown during its October 2012 reveal, but Roberts in turn was contractually obliged to use Cryengine for the game, have Crytek credited in the splash screens/PR stuff etc, provide feedback to Crytek regarding engine mods and most importantly the engine license explicitly applied to the single game Star Citizen.

Of course our heroic saviour of space jpegs didn't give two fucks about that when he decided to turn the Squadron 42 single player campaign into a separate game.

>>14567993

Is that really her?

She has (had?) a pretty rockin bod.

>>14568503

All it takes is a googling of the definition of "concierge" to figure out this is straight faced scam. They're flat out ridiculing backers at this point and they don't even realize it.

>>14568527

>I wonder when this thing will spiral out of control properly.

Probably when another space sim that actually has gameplay is announced.

>>14568548

That has happened multiple times since then though.

>>14568527

Not just jpegs, the update before this one they introduced land licenses. So not only do you buy overpriced jpegs, but you'll also be able buy overpriced claims to pixel land. It's fucking insane and I'm surprised no one has yet made a serious attempt to pull the emergency brake.

>>14568548

The goons are in too deep. People don't joke when they say there will be massive numbers of suicides when the bubble bursts.

>>14568548

I'm still keeping an eye on StarMade. The development is slower than a retarded snail, but they have actual plans and seem willing to accomplish them rather than rely on hype for shekels to run off with.

>>14568555

They all more or less failed with a few unremarkable exceptions

>>14565696

Every time I see this video it never ceases to creep me the fuck out.

>>14568574

Like that other anon said, it's a TV show, Roberts will never complete the game because that would end the show, and this the flow of cash. What we are witness is the biggest, slowest burning dumpster fire in the history of humanity. I don't think gaming will ever have as big of a shitshow as when Roberts announces development has stopped due to lack of funds.

>>14568527

It never will. There are people who have spent thousands of dollars on this game, more than the actual computer they'll play it on. It's hard enough to get people off of sites like facebook and twitter and onto alternatives like minds and gab or gnu social. And the investments into those platforms are just time. That's not including all this money.

The people who blew money on this game will only let it fail unless it's completely obvious it will and the reality trumps their denial. And that's nearly impossible, Star Tardizens are so lost in the hype that they'll never wake up. All Roberts has to do is keep releasing alpha tech demos and he'll keep the hope alive for all the dumbfucks throwing money at him. Star Citizen's financial success depends entirely on the fact that people don't want to admit they were wrong after spending thousands of dollars on a video game. Who the fuck wants to go

<haha wow I was wrong about spending $5,000 on a video game whoops

No one does, that's like admitting you're a gullible dumb fuck. It's a cult at this point, and Roberts knows he just has to give these people the smallest amount of "content" and signs of progress possible and they'll always believe. 5 years from now, people will be comparing Star Citizen people to members of obvious cults that existed beforehand. The whole thing has gone well beyond a scam, the people involved are so emotionally compromised that there's no easy way to change their mind.

Even if Star Citizen shuts down and they say they'll never work on the "game" again, they'll all find some way to keep the hope alive, open source, etc. In fact, I think the way Star Citizen ends won't even be that it dies. They'll just open source it and say development speed is too slow, and they need the community's help. And thirsty sci-fi junkies will jump on it right away and start reading coding tutorials to try and learn how to fix their game.

>>14568582

>Roberts knows he just has to give these people the smallest amount of "content" and signs of progress possible and they'll always believe

I don't think Roberts is necessarily above it, for better or worse he is trying to make the game he wants to make; mostly for the worse

>They'll just open source it and say development speed is too slow, and they need the community's help

That'd probably bring about improvement.

>>14568582

>They'll just open source it and say development speed is too slow

I don't think they can with all the contracts they are bound too. This game game is gonna be the Skyrim of Sci-Fi games (if it ever gets released), a turd that cannot be polished but people will keep eating it up and praise, which they already do in a cult like manner.

>>14568655

>This game game is gonna be the Skyrim of Sci-Fi games

A community sourced porn game?

>>14568670

A very costly low quality whore, yes.

>>14568581

Watching steams on twitch is funny because they all do basically nothing apart from loading / crashing / glitching. They are all pretending.

>>14567664

>it's impossible to ship a release that isn't riddled with bugs.

What release?

>>14569742

The new Crash Test Dummies game looks great.

>>14568206

They are just fucking up even further!

>>14569638

>>14569742

>>14569749

>>14569955

Got anymore webms?

>>14569977

>They are just fucking up even further!

please gib shekels of minimum $1000 to enjoy the shit you originally paid for. I mean nevermind how stupid spending $1000 on a video game is.

>>14568206

That's not the only downgrade. Go to 2:04 to see Watch_Dogs-tier downgrading.

>>14570027

its only stupid not to spend $1000 on the future of video games

>>14570077

Wow, a whole universe of barren, featureless planets. Just like real life!

>>14568574

We should start spreading rumors that "Start Citizen is racist" or that "Roberts donated to Trump" or something else that triggers goons.

It would be fun to watch the other dumpster fire that this would create.

>>14568582

And that is why it is ok to steal their money.

And kill them also.

>>14570443

Character is usually wearing a space suit so it's probably a generic space suit breaching animation.

>>14567629

>mobiGlas

>>14567664

>They (seemed to) have spent such an amount of effort designing the UI

Why are they spending so munch time and money on the design of the UI when the game still doesn't work?

I wish Roberts would stop focusing on the form and start worrying about the substance.

>>14570871

There's a story about some guy who got a loan to predorder an Xbone when it came out so I imagine this is a similar situation.

>>14570876

M$ booted his ass as part of process though.

>>14570876

>but back then Microsoft had his back

Nope, Microsoft fired his ass after they bought his company and forced them to drop all the bloat from Freelancer that was holding up production.

Roberts is exactly like Molyneux except Molyneux dreams big but then has to scale his games back and drop idea altogether so they can finish their games. Roberts does the same shit, but without scaling back or compromising. Hence why his shit always has dev delays.

>>14570886

And then there's Will Wright who produced the most career ruinous game he could've put out to the point where it disgraced him beyond ever making another game ever again. At least he wasn't involved in Sim City though as that was the game that closed Maxis. But Spore was a close contender and to many like myself considered to be one of the biggest blunders the industry ever produced.

I think Star Citizen will dwarf it 10 fold.

>>14570931

If Spore was released today it would be the new Minecraft.

>>14570958

>If Spore was released today it would be the new Minecraft.

<Minecraft was never actually finished

Appropriate.

>>14570931

Spore was not that bad. It was just underdeveloped. Each stage is just too shallow for it to be great but I wouldn't call it one the biggest blunders. The creature creator alone deserves some credit.

Shit like Daikatana is a giant blunder. Graphically, AI, level design, that shit failed on every level.

>>14570989

the editor was the only thing that did anything. The "Game" portion was a heap of absolute shit that has no redeemable qualities at all. The creature stage was the only part that had any gameplay and it barely fucking worked. It only proved the point, which Minecraft also pointed out, that User Generated content is a massive selling point, but it neglected the part where it cannot be the ONLY selling point to your product.

For star citizen, reliance on emergent gameplay also applies here too, that your emergent gameplay can only go so far, you're going to need systems and structure in order to make the game FUN. The game at present has none of those systems, but the fear is that much like Spore, it never will have those systems and thus never be fun. It feels similar to the Collector bullshit Richard Garriott pulled with SOTA, these Origin Systems guys are hacks.

>>14570931

You know the Spore we got was EA's and some of Maxis' fault rather than Wright's fault, wright?

>>14571221

Wright pulled a Molyenux, he blatantly lied to everyone, the public and even the executives about what Spore was, the suits stepped in and put Bradshaw in total control of Maxis. Wright was by that point already put on notice and resigned once the game shipped. But you're implying that Wrights idea was actually good and that it was feasible. Which it totally wasn't. Wright had the components of what could have been potentially a fantastic game but he had no idea how to put them together, so slap dash put up a design document of "lets just copy everyone else and call it SIM EVERYTHING".

The whole concept of doing this is beyond levels of retarded even for his standards. Which is why I solely blame him for why it failed. The infighting was all a result of his poor management and vision at the time, it should also be pointed out that by that point Wright hadn't produced a decent game since The sims 2 which by that point was ancient. Spore was in development hell for a very long time and the team ultimately ate itself because of his inability to visualise the game, hence why there were two teams making two completely different games and effectively making the game up as they went.

Yes sure you can blame EA for a lot of why the game failed, because EA are shit heads who would've been happier seeing Wright just make sims games for the rest of his life, but Wright is also to fault as well with his attitude towards his own game, he slowly started loosing control over everything and upstarts within his own team sought to over throw him, which they eventually did.

Pretending like Wright is totally innocent here is stupid. He pulled the same shit that Molyenux and the like are known for doing, getting what he deserved in the end. Everyone at Maxis got what they deserved.

>>14571332

>the chris roberts theory of everything

http://archive.is/Yzgaw

>>14571332

I still don't get why Roberts didn't just pitch the game as a single player game and then add the MMO shit later when no one was looking. Single Shard Persistent Universe was his undoing. He should never had committed to that. A singleplay game is going to be hard enough to produce even with $180 million

>>14571362

no. unreal doesn't have anything really different in terms of supporting space games. both are good for the original pitch of smaller instances connected by jumps.

what cryengine does have is several actual mmo's to it's name, including aion.

>>14571362

>If these nignogs opted to use unreal from the beginning instead of crymeme would the game be already finished?

No because neither engine is suitable for the type of game Roberts wants to make. If you want to see an example look up Stage 9 for Unreal Engine. Whilst a fantastic tech demo, it would never work as an online game. There's a lot of similarities between those two but Stage 9 is entirely indie and singleplayer.

For the lazy.

>>14571390

a look at how KSP fakes large scale space and why it wouldn't work in multiplayer at all

Mass goon suicides, when?

>>14571748

Hopefully soon.

>>14571332

>dereksmart

>dereksmart

Don't confuse the red pill with the brown pill

>>14564440

don't be silly, if Roberts would make them scrap two years of work just to add immersive spacesuit shit bulges in order to do that.

How have people not accepted that SC is just not failing?

This has to be the tenth false flag since the kickstarter

>>14570871

He could buy himself a demilitarised T-55 with that amount of money

>>14571914

Hate to say but DS is spot on with SC.

>>14565627

DESIGNATED SHITTING SUITS

>>14571311

I completely agree. From what little footage there is of the original concept of Spore it just looked like a bunch of flash games strung together, most of the stages just boring minigames you had to go through before you reach the "meat" of the game on land, until you eventually go to space. It was an unfeasible concept from the get go, but unlike Scam Citizen Wright at least had some idea where he wanted it to go.

With Roberts it just feels like he wants to make Freelancer: With the Kitchen Sink. This, despite the fact Freelancer was already an overambitious trainwreck and Roberts clearly lacks the vision and competence to make it work.

We've seen time and again that developers need publishers to rein them in and keep them focused on delivering a product. Kotick and Mr. Shitface, MS with both Wright and Roberts, SEGA with Obsidian, etc.

>>14571990

>We've seen time and again that developers need publishers to rein them in and keep them focused on delivering a product.

Yes and no, because on one hand publishers can and have fucked over games but then we have retards like shitface.

>>14571350

The original pitch for SC was a single player Wing Commander spiritual sequel, and that's what a lot of people paid for, but then Roberts pulled a fast one on everyone and made the MMO component the project's focus.

>>14572008

I think the biggest problem is that all these "big names" in gaming that go on kikestarter have never actually run a business in all their lives. Nearly everything outside of running the development project was done by the publisher, some vague entity they could bitch and moan about when they were told "No", but once they're independent they simply have no idea how to run a budget or keep the scope of the project reasonable.

>>14572011

>The original pitch for SC was a single player Wing Commander spiritual sequel, and that's what a lot of people paid for

They also said it would be VR compatible but they've completely fucking forgotten that aspect since the kikestarter millions rolled in. That's why the whole game was supposed to be seamless first person.

>>14572008

at the 2 million dollar mark they would have had 18 million in investor money on top, giving a total reasonable budget of 20 million. this would have been enough to make a great game, still small enough to make them not waste it, and made them accountable to the investors. on top of everything stopping the crowdfunding there would have prevented the game from being pay to win. this was the ideal timeline.

>>14572489

You see it if you explore too far in Minecraft as well, most notably to the "far lands" where the map generation utterly fucks itself that's in older versions.

>>14567629

>implying you need to move a finger in ED

>>145725367

I would disagree but I've literally spent a day AFKing one hour supercruise runs to Smeaton Orbital in my cutter from Upsilon Aquari - Allen Hub.

Literally AFK 90% of it for a 20-60m payout while I watch yt and spam shit on /v/.

>>14572450

How do you know what rats fucking each other sounds like?

>>14568548

In the same time SC has been in development KSP went from a bad experiment to a fully fledged space sim. Another space game won't change much.

>>14571914

I apologise in advance for shitting this site up with STA memes, but its too good not to post.

>>14572685

>The engine doesn't really matter

The engine matters a heap as one of the CryEngine's biggest issues is that the networking stack will transmit the properties of all objects all the time. While fine in a 5v5 or 8v8 game, IN A FREAKING MMO this is royal death and has been fucking CIG in the ass since day one. They should have spun their own engine like ED did (croberts would have still sunk it though).

>>14572712

lel but yeh DS's game is so fucking boring and broken. But it exists.

>>14572726

I think what anon meant is that you can solve a lot of problems and get around engine limitations with good programmers, though even that failed with SC because they did poach the original engine programmers off CryTek and it still didn't help much.

>lel but yeh DS's game is so fucking boring and broken. But it exists.

If anyone is an expert on starting overambitious projects and not delivering then it's Smart. It's why I trust him when he shits on SC, he ought to know what a trainwreck in the making looks like.

>>14572685

While I do agree that engine doesn't matter if the people are talented, Amazon Lumberyard was an absolute shot in the dark and it was used exclusively because they (most likely) got funded by amazon.

I still don't think it's a good idea to decide on an engine that has literally never been used by anyone and probably doesn't even have proper documentation.

>>14572744

Sure but a number of engines tend to be purpose built, Cryengine originally was a high graphics single player FPS RPG.and they tacked some shitty networking on it at some point. SC really deserved a purpose built engine.

>>14572744

>he ought to know what a trainwreck in the making looks like.

Battlecruiser Online basically. This is why Smart keeps dissing on SC because Smart already did this very same game once before and scrapped it because he knew it was bad.

Smart only got a bad reputation after his deal with Interplay ended. Prior to that Battlecruiser 2000 was considered a good, if really buggy, space ship simulator. The issue was that smart kept re-releasing the same game over and over with newer graphics, but the same bugs. Which is why people stopped taking him seriously, because like Robberts, he made a lot of promises that he never kept.

Also we've said Derek Smart 3+ times now, he should be appearing any second.

>>14572773

well that's a good counter to literally everything I've seen written about cryengine, it's documentation, development, and its flagship game. Where did you get the idea of making that up?

>>14572771

>they still haven't changed that horrible selection thing where you click on something and have to select an option by looking at it

I swear the only games that do this are "my first horror walking sim" made in Unity

>>14572783

Everything about SC is poorly thought out, including the gameplay and interface. 5 years in and not even the most basic of gameplay loops is in place. Roberts is making the most expensive walking simulator in human history.

>>14572779

Good For You.

Are you literally ignoring the fact that SC is struggling with this issue right now?

Oops sorry Far Cry 1 did have multiplayer which involved some deathmatch. What about this screams to you massive online spaceship game?

>>14572798

Seems like it. A few months back I supposed the ship interface looked so bad because they were doing a call back to Wing Commander since they literally looked the same, but now it's pretty clear they really just did not plan on how to make them look nice.

>>14572803

Cryengine isn't purpose built. That's not a thing.

I've played around with it and read the docs, it's like any other engine.

>>14572803

How do you think game engines work? They haven't been designed the way you're describing since the 80s to mid 90s. It's not an engine designed for masses of empty space and extreme render distances - that's something they'd need to deal with. But it's not a fucking fpsrpg engine designed for a game that never existed and purpose built for """high graphics""" (whatever that means.)

>>14572773

>Crytek is working on multiplayer game right now with Cryengine.

>muh Cryengine can't handle it

It's not the engine.

From the webums you can already see that they didn't even get collision working and already moved to greater tasks like fucking detailed animations.

I'm not even sure if they ever heard about basic concepts in vidya like collision meshs.

>>14572803

That part would have to be done either way as FIRST STEP.

They wouldn't be better off choosing Unreal Engine.

>>14572809

I don't think he realizes CE2/3 was designed to be a competitive engine with unreal 3/4, unity, etc.

>>14572809

>They wouldn't be better off choosing Unreal Engine.

Except from maybe having a better toolset

>>14572803

>Cryengine isn't purpose built. That's not a thing.

>>14572809

> It's not the engine.

So its currently not shitting its pants over render distances, super large objects, 'physics grids' and large number of networked players and objects? Yeah you can point the finger at the devs for sure but its in no way going to handle 1000 players, hell lets not get started in their BS 32 bit to 64 bit conversion fuckup. Here's a link to how Eve does it, its a very different beast:

https://www.eveonline.com/article/fixing-lag-drakes-of-destiny-part-1-1/

>>14572807

You kinda disproved your point there.

>>14572809

>That part would have to be done either way as FIRST STEP.

> They wouldn't be better off choosing Unreal Engine.

I said they would be better doing what ED did and roll their own engine.

>>14572834

>You kinda disproved your point there.

nope. Pretty much all engines need some customization for every game. You still need to substantiate it's a fpsrpg engine at heart. Go on.

>>14572838

This

>>14572834

>So its currently not shitting its pants over render distances, super large objects, 'physics grids' and large number of networked players and objects? Yeah you can point the finger at the devs for sure but its in no way going to handle 1000 players, hell lets not get started in their BS 32 bit to 64 bit conversion fuckup. Here's a link to how Eve does it, its a very different beast:

Literally none of this has anything to do with the engine chosen. Except for maybe the built-in physics which from what I remember aren't very good.

No engine handles any of this out of the box, it's always in the hands of the devs.

>>14572847

>>14572838

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CryEngine_games

Gee an awful lot of FPS games there. I'm sure its just coincidence.

>>14572848

< Clearly didn't read or understand the link

You're just an idiot.

>>14572850

I legit don't see how the link is supposed to prove anything?

Yes that's how they made it work in that game.

>>14572856

That the engine attracts and has the features for FPS devs. There's some small spaceship style projects in there (if you bothered to look) but nothing ED scale.

>>14572850

yeah, its almost like fps games are a huge fad in the game industry and since the flagship games were fps games it was easy to license and guess what - make more fps games.

have any other stupid remarks to make? Where's that supposed fpsrpg? How did they make ArcheAge if it's not meant to handle online play and was just added in like the saturn had its second SH2 added in for better 3D? Could it be your entire understanding of how game engines work is without foundation and you're trying to act smart?

>>14572858

No I mean the EVE link

>>14572850

>Fibble – Flick 'n' Roll

>King of Wushu looks more like an MMO

>Monster Hunter Online

>Legend of Yulong 2

>MechWarrior Online

>Kingdom Come: Deliverance

ok that one was shit

The shooters you're talking about are either Crytek shooters or Ubisoft FarCry spinoffs.

Shooters are also generally popular resulting in them being dominant just like Unreal Tournament on Unreal Engine.

>>14572860

> ArcheAge

Tab to target super soft realtime WOW clone. They slowed the server tick right down and spent a shit tonne of time cleaning up the networking but this will not help SC who is trying to make a realtime space simulator which shittonnes of objects.

>>14572861

It talks about server tick rates most importantly and how objects are handled. Eve literally keeps stray objects on the field to absolute bare minimum, that link talks about they converted missile objects into pretty much turret shots and leave the missile rendering to the client.

>>14572883

>It talks about server tick rates most importantly and how objects are handled. Eve literally keeps stray objects on the field to absolute bare minimum, that link talks about they converted missile objects into pretty much turret shots and leave the missile rendering to the client.

Yes but that's not blocked by the engine.

As a matter of fact shit like that is usually handled by code written specifically for the game.

There's absolutely no reason as to why the same could be done for SC in Cryengine.

>>14572883

wow, it's almost like they had to do restructuring of the engine to get it working how they wanted to. It would be wild if pretty much everyone making a game in an engine had to do something like this. It's not like engines are just general purpose game tools with built in ways to handle logic, tracking, networking, floating point operations and rendering or something.

ITT: Butthurt star citizen defenders try to shove the incompetence from the programmers to the engine

>>14572896

>>14572898

The answer to your questions is Technical Debt.

CIG already stated they have modified 'over 50% or more' pf the engine this means tearing apart someone else' code and stitching back together with your modifications will extra time consuming since you have try and comprehend someone else' work while having no gurantee your hacks will work. 'Physics Grids' are a great example of this.

> Yes but that's not blocked by the engine.

Yes it is, how does your engine track and render objects? Those idiots at SC can't even get their quest NPC's to line up right. The average FPS sever tick is 64hz, Eve is at 1hz and WOW is likely 20ish (not sure but it won't be 64) and this is super important in keeping your objects synced across clients and how your client handles this matters

>>14572898

> It's not like engines are just general purpose game tools with built in ways to handle logic, tracking, networking, floating point operations and rendering or something.

This what is it?

>>14572900

Its both you stupid nigger.

>>14572900

yeah, it's pretty clearly a case of the game being too ambitious for the developers. I imagine they'll churn something out in 3 to 4 years and it'll be a mess with a lot of issues. Definitely not a good idea to promise the world under the impression that you can absolutely deliver, but that's crowd funding for you. Exactly why we need publishers for big games.

I haven't enjoyed a thread on /v/ as much as this one in ages.

>>14572936

Likewise. I usually avoid threads like this but once in a while you just see someone post something stupid and a drive by comment won't handle it.

>>14568523

<The French word concierge is likely derived from the Old French cumcerges, itself related to the Medieval Latin consergius[4] or the Latin conservus ("fellow slave").[5]

>>14572773

>tacked

crysis had 64 player online with physics and vehicles.

>>14568206

>insulting your customers

kek. They could've easily said Whales get to skip the queue, what a bunch of entitled faggots to think their scam is worth 1k.

>>14571914

>>14571961

Even a broken watch shows the right time twice a day.

>>14569742

It legit looks like a music video.

>>14571362

>If these nignogs opted to use unreal from the beginning instead of crymeme would the game be already finished?

As soon as I heard their engine choice, I knew this game would never work as advertised and that it was not a serious project.

>>14572536

Shit, I never knew Elite Dangerous was like this. I want it now

>>14573690

It's a boring grind. The guys making it are sticking far too closely to the original game.

>>14573731

We're basically reaching levels of Judaism not even Moses was able to achieve. I remember an anon once explaining to me just how pay2win SC really is, what with a bizarre ship upgrade system that makes them superior to the stock model and all other kinds of schemes to suck out your money and let you lord it over the plebs.

>>14573106

they're saying "your version of the game will be slower because you're a pleb, pay us $1,000 in order to get it the way you already had it" but the thing was, the way those people already had it was bad still anyways. No one is going to pay $1,000 for that and they know it. Its only there to reinforce to those that did spend that much that they're not being fucked over in the process of making the game slower.

>>14573702

It might be a boring grind, but on a talking spaceship.

>>14573748

>No one is going to pay $1,000

This is a demographic where many whales have already shelled upward of $30,000, they'll pay.

I was fine with shit like Pioneer and SpaceEngine. I never gave a damn about this or E:D and never will. I somehow feel betrayed and I was never even directly involved. All of this is just taking years off everyone's lives.

>>14573731

I wonder how much those cards will be worth in the future.

>>14573756

They paid $1000 for the jpeg, not for faster servers. That's the point I was saying, this is less an incentive and more about ensuring that your $1000 backers don't all start freaking the fuck out over not being treated better than plebs.

>>14573765

Probably a fair share, since it'll be a souvenir of the greatest videogame shitshow in history. I've said this again, there will be suicides.

>>14573768

> Paid $1000 for digital jpegs

>Finally got to pay $20 to get some actual physical content in the form of a fucking card

>>14572771

why couldn't the hologram project a dark background exactly?

>>14573778

Because then it wouldn't meet Robert's imaginative fidelity standards of a hyper-immersive futuristic space civilization where everyone is fine with completely translucent hologram UIs displaying white text against lens flares, and ship cockpits with struts/instruments/other shit obscuring 50% of the view outside.

>>14573843

What's even the game here? Thus far I haven't seen any interactivity.

>>14573846

Say what you want about the quality of it, but getting into a spaceship, then piloting it and shooting an enemy spaceship until it blows up or blows you up is gameplay by even the strictest definition

>>14568037

“Today abstraction is no longer that of the map, the double, the mirror, or the concept. Simulation is no longer that of a territory, a referential being, or a substance. It is the generation by models of a real without origin or reality: a hyperreal.”

― Jean Baudrillard, Simulacra and Simulation

>>14570871

>>14570879

Soy does this.

>>14571221

Never idolize individuals.

Cult of personality is cancer.

>>14572000

Having a publisher is the lesser evil.

But even better: never hire delusional idiots in the first place.

Creative people are not delusional. They work means to create their vision.

Roberts, Shitface and many others are just delusional hacks.

>>14572011

And don't forget that many, if not all, of them are hacks. They never really did any work, but were the ones chosen to appear in the mainstream media and then started believing in their own lies.

>>14573392

It delivered shit.

Scam Shitizen is shit, as is FF 15.

>>14573982

Do you make these reactions?

The way Star Citizen is being developed, it's starting to feel a lot like Roberts is one of those guys that comes up with a few ideas, everyone else does the work, and then he takes the credit. The features they keep developing are mostly just mesh and other simple things. It's not like they're coding anything impressive. In fact, with each release, it feels like they're scaling back features.

>>14573982

>Derek Smart discovers his latent aptitude for filmmaking during production of the Star Citizen documentary

>his frequent collaborations as a director with Uwe Boll earn him a star on the walk of fame

>while Chris is serving several life sentences stemming from 6 gorillion convictions of money laundering, tax fraud, manslaughter etc.

>>14574024

>Chris' wife divorces him and goes back to porn.

>>14574024

What's with the money laundering talk? Where does this come from?

>>14574047

DEREK SMART

DEREK SMART

DEREK SMART!

He made the claim that SC was being used as a money laundering scam.

>>14574129

Probably trying to hide the money. They woudln't want to spend it ALL in a silly game, would they? Not much profit otherwise.

>>14574133

Another possibility is that they want to hide how little they have left.

>>14573756

>$30k

>a lot of money in modern AAA dev

Anon, a studio of 300 people will spend that much each month on snacks and soda alone. 30k is nothing.

CIG would need 100 people giving them $30k each per month to be able to approach offsetting their absurd dev costs.

>>14574146

I'm also a developer anon. The problem will always be with physics synchronisation. As the physics themselves are handled on the client side and then sent back to the host, if they were going to do it properly they'd calculate the physics on the host and send it that way but this would impose a fuck tonne of lag on the client end. You can see this in practice with the way all the characters jank around in their ships but the player character does not, because its being done client side, what people are seeing there, the jank, is rubber banding because what you're doing is baking the client side physics down and sending it back to the host, and then the server is trying its best to keep it synchronised on everyones machines that are in proximity.

When you look at it like this, there isn't a single cloud solution around that can handle that kind of load, that's a fucking massive amount of data even for like 20 players all synchronising together. Now try and do it for all 2 million backers… Yeah this games never happening.

>>14574129

The game belongs to the bank of Britain now, so nobody will be able to buy it, without taking all the debt with it.

http://archive.is/j3avV

>>14572771

>you have to individually select which shirt you want to try on from a rack

I fucking hate it when games have this level of realism. It over-complicates things while adding absolutely nothing. Just do a typical customization system, and explain it as some holographic projection over your character's body if you really care that much about immersion.

>>14574188

>Did you read the article, anon?

I swear to god, I remember in a previous thread, someone posting an article and it did state that it was about Star Citizen. Also what would CIG need the money for, if not SC or it's single player spin off? They produce nothing else, but content for Star Citizen, they have no other games, no other services or stuff to sell, but SC jpegs. Of course the lawn was about that.

>'Yeah, seems stable.

I guess Chris Robert's silver tongue was enough to make the the british kikes dance to his tune. That and he probably told them about the jpegs, and they named him honorary jew.

>>14574212

I'm sure the cash would go to fund SC's dev since CIG isn't making anything else, but my point was that it doesn't sound like the bank would own SC if CIG defaults on the loan. Which wouldn't really matter in the end anyway, since if the game isn't finished and CIG runs dry, no one's going to fund them further.

>>14574146

>>14574158

>>14574188

The sad thing isn't whether or not this is feasible, let alone possible. The sad part is that even if they could do they would never even try because they already hit the comfort zone and never need to improve.

Imagine how little innovation there would've been during the course of gaming if they made as much money in the early 80s as they do now.

>>14574218

>Imagine how little innovation there would've been during the course of gaming if they made as much money in the early 80s as they do now.

That is so fucking true. Embed related.

>>14573876

I've yet to see that in any video.

>>14574146

What I don't get: why not just make the "ship interior" a different space/render than the exterior worldspace? Making the two appear seamless (at least enough for functional gameplay) wouldn't have been difficult. I remember doing it in middle school with an awful car combat type game I made.

CIG could just do that and do the same for large cities/space stations/etc if they wanted to merge planetary and orbital combat.

>>14574248

The video you responded to was showing exactly that

>>14570596

We don't need eyes where we are going.

>>14574272

They've been touting their "Network bind culling" Jesus feature that's supposed to prevent unneeded information being shared between other players at different LODs and gameplay situations(such as interior objects of a sufficiently large ship not being rendered to other players flying near said ship unless it explodes/someone enters or exits etc.) since patch 2.6.

They have yet to implement it in any capacity.

>>14574296

Ah I thought that was a repost of the side by side comparison, didn't click it.

>>14574336

He actually is the Elon Musk of gaming, both promise people the moon and deliver absolutely nothing.

>>14574327

They've got 300 employees and have been employing them for 5 years, on top of various contractors, one of which fucked up the FPS portion of the game so badly (mainly because of Roberts being an idiot) they've been trying to pretend it doesn't exist anymore. Paying rent in LA can't be cheap either.

>>14574344

Yeah, but the difference is that Reddit thinks Elon Musk is legit because Star Trek Discovery said so.

>>14574344

Just with a lot less fake footage of his accomplishments.

>>14574272

>why don't they separate the interior/exterior spaces into their own zones?

Probably because the whole thing is supposed to be a seamless, contiguous universe. If they separate the two, that collapses. If you're jerking off in the bedroom on your ship and I ram my freighter into your hull, what would happen? If everything is disconnected, nothing really happens. Reminds me of how the goofy physics in APB worked.

>>14574336

Just think of shit like this as a down payment on future salt, anon.

>>14574354

I see, but from what I gather some of the higher up fuckfaces at CIG know exactly this is a scam.

So are they secretly banking the money and waiting to dissappear once the gig is up?

Or are they going to sink with the non-existant ship?

>>14574368

I have no idea. I mean, it's obvious Roberts is trying to jumpstart his wife's Hollywood career again with some of the money, and he's also shown that he has bought expensive cars and is living the high life, so he likely is misusing the funds, though I have no idea if he's smart enough to squirrel away the cash once the gravy train ends.

>>14574344

you do realise Elon was a game developer right? No one can be the Elon Musk of Gaming because Elon Musk was the Elon Musk of gaming.

And yes his games were all shit. Its also funny because the game he worked on (loadstar) was competing with Wing Commander 3 at the time as well. So its kinda weird that people would compare Roberts to him when really it should be the other way around.

>>14574383

>If I had more knowledge about this topic, I'd write a fucking book about it. It's a prime exemple of how seemingly rational people can get jewed beyond belief.

People are right when they call SC a cult. The people that bought into it are reaching cult-like levels of fanaticism. I don't even thinks it's that intentional really, Roberts just hypes the shit out of the game and the drones lap it up. Then again, Roberts is a piece of shit. He knows that many of these people are investing their life savings into this game and yet he still brazenly takes their money.

I swear to God things will get bloody when it fails, and not just because of suicides, fanatical autists will try and kill Roberts for failing them. What would be even more hilarious is if Roberts actually delivers the game in some form of playable state and it turns out to be shit, which isn't really that hard to imagine considering what little game is currently on display.

>>14574398

What I find truly disturbing is that nobody among game journalists is pointing out the game has been in development by 300+ people for five years and has next to nothing to show for it. I know full well game journalists amoral vermin, but Roberts can't be bribing all of them, and the YouTube faggots are desperate for clicks anyway, so why is everyone keeping silent? Are they afraid they might be wrong and Roberts will actually deliver?

>>14574383

It seems to be the logical conclusion of turning all science fiction into thinly veiled communism allegories.

>>14574433

LotGH reboot soon. God help us.

>>14574411

>if Roberts actually delivers the game in some form of playable state and it turns out to be shit, which isn't really that hard to imagine considering what little game is currently on display.

That's really what is going to happen, but I don't think we'll ever see a fallout because of the time factor. It's already been in development for 5 years and I'm sure it will be in development for another 5 before they release a "1.0", and they will undoubtedly make sure that everyone knows that 1.0 is not the end of the road and they will keep "working on the game", "improving performance", "fixing bugs", "adding content", which will once again be plenty enough to placate most fans. Then if it continues being shit, interest will eventually die out over the course of many years until they finally stop having enough funds to run a ghost dev team, but I don't see this happening any sooner than a decade, at this rate.

I'm watching infinity dev right now playing his game,

>wants to show off visual improvements

<flies into a gas giant where its pitch black

Infinity has been a scam even longer than Star Citizen has. Like god damn, its been 2 decades and your game still looks like shit.. what the fuck have you been doing this whole time.

>>14574450

In the end Chris Roberts, will not only disappoint his fans, who are expecting a great game, but us as well, as we are expecting a major fallout from his fans, but if they will simply dwindle instead of blowing up, then what's even the point?

>>14574481

Link to stream?

>>14574481

Infinity looked good when it was 2006 or whatever and they showed their first prototypes, that was impressive. But then they collected all kinds of funds from all kinds of places, they're in the several million range too, and they still haven't got shit to show for it. At this point even SC is more of a game than Infinity.

>>14574503

it just ended and I'm going to avoid direct linking their bullshit. Not worth the effort IMO, its in even worse a state than star citizen.

>>14574500

The point is to get away with it without getting sued, lynched, or being at the center of a scandal. If he still wants to be part of the industry after that, he can always blame someone else for this failure.

>>14574500

I still have faith we'll get the shitshow we deserve.

>>14574519

Will they blame Trump or Russia?

>>14574521

Just like reddit has faith that they will get the game they "deserve".

>>14574524

The whole thing falling apart is far more likely to happen.

>>14574734

If they're furries yes.

>>14574433

>>14574439

Hi

>>14574129

chris has also been involved tangentially with money laundering before. google "gizmondo"

>>14576082

I remember Gizmondo. Near the end, didn't they field adware and malware?

>>14576084

http://dereksmart.com/2015/11/interstellar-pirates/

>Five of the six top execs at this company, Chris Roberts, his brother Erin Roberts, their lifelong friends, Nick & Simon Elms, Derek Senior – all from Manchester – through their previous company Warthog, were associated with the Gizmondo money laundering operation that was busted worldwide a few years ago.

>As for Ortwin, he too was linked to legal issue in Germany related to raising money for movies that were never going to be made. As one story goes, in 2007 Andreas Schmid and Andreas Grosch were both sentenced by a German court because they defrauded investors. Schmid was sentenced to 6 years in Jail.

>The scheme was one in which investors would fund films and were promised a huge return on investment. Some of those films were either never produced, or were produced at a huge loss. The tax incentives for those loses remained with the company, while the investors lost their investment in whole or in part.

>Aside from all that, Ascendant Pictures which both he and Chris were partners of, ceased operations and sold all its assets to Bigfoot Entertainment back in 2010. This was amid the legal tussle with Kevin Costner over – you guessed it – broken promises;