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While I love Daggerfall, there were a few things keeping it from being my favorite. Namely the fact a lot of the dungeons feel samey (something Arena didn't suffer from) and the lack of combat on the overworld. There was also not much enemy variety. Mods would fix all of this and make it the perfect Elder Scrolls game in my opinion.

We could also see mods that add races like Imperials or Orcs without them having to replace already existing races like those mods do currently.

>>14560076

Nah, all the randomness holds it back.

>>14560106

>cowtits

>niggerlips

>piercings

It already is the best Elder Scrolls game. But Morrowind will always have a better modding scene because there is just so much more to do with mods.

>>14560076

Looks like trash without mountains and shit in the background.

>>14560106

Daggerfall Unity has already added a lot of 3D models, although it's just furniture for now I don't see why they couldn't do it for NPC's down the road too.

>>14560116

modders are strictly amateur and definitely don't know anything about image composition or faithfulness.

>>14560113

Have you played Multiplayer Morrowind? I was on it for a while until I realized there's not much to do. People just stand around in Balmora and deathmatch each other. I haven't played it in a while so maybe there's some good roleplay servers by now.

>>14560116

It's not finished so new backgrounds might still be added.

>>14560139

I'm not talking about that, though. Tamriel Rebuilt is the main reason why I say Morrowind's modding scene will always be the best.

>Unity

Thank heavens we'll finally have an Elder Scrolls free of toxic behavior!

>>14560201

Is that close to being finished yet?

>>14560223

no

>>14560076

It has always been better than morrowind.

>>14560089

>>14560094

>its too random meme

What's pathetic is pretending that static content , which is the same every run, is better.

>>14560241

Static original content is better than 100 variations of "go to [dungeon], find [artifact]"

Where the fuck are the mountains and fog

0/10 utter low effort shit

>>14560359

this

>>14560241

Daggerfall is static though. The dungeons were randomized in development but aren't randomized for every character you make.

I love Daggerfall, but I'll never get over how samey the game is. It may be huge but it feels empty, if the game had more depth it would be something truly special.

>>14560253

>>static original content

>abuses the word original

Anon, all the shit in Daggerfall is original content too. It just happens to be procedurely generated and in the case of NPCs/objects largely randomly placed.

Honestly the static content in morrowind isn't even that good. There's very little of it, and so you are forced to trudge everywhere as a means of making a tiny halfassed world feel larger than it is. Then as for the content itself, its mostly shit copy-pasted caves and buildings. It's hardly the intricate piece of art you faggots pretend it to be.

>>14560411

Even a lot of the dungeons in Arena felt different. Wtf happened. All they needed was different textures for dungeons depending on the region you're in.

>>14560392

>>14560342

No shit. They were procedurally generated once. Faggots like you are tiresome with your chomping at the bit to try and correct on this issue. The fact of the matter is there are thousands of dungeons in Daggerfall, and while they may use the same blocks, they are all uniquely arranged. I've played for over a decade off and on, and still haven't seen half of them.

>>14560431

Also BRING BACK PASSWALL

>"Hello, [retrieve.playername]. I need you to go to [retrieve.dungeonname] and recover the [retrieve.randomquestitem] within [generate.randomquesttimelimit.low] days. Upon returning with the artifact, I'll pay you [generate.randomgoldreward] gold."

It's bullshit when Skyrim does it, and it was bullshit when Daggerfall did it.

20 handcrafted quests > 1 procgen quest repeated 20x

>>14560538

>got stuck in one particularly spaghetti dungeon for over a few days in real time because I was stupid enough not to cast Mark at the entrance

Daggerfall sure is comfy as fuck. I used to spend months on it a few years ago, gotta replay it one of these days.

>>14560555

Daggerfall has well over 1000 towns and villages, it's not remotely possible to give all of those reasonable amounts of unique quests.

>>14560578

Why does it need over 1000 towns if they are all the same?

>>14560076

But Morrowind was never the best TES game.

>>14560578

>over a thousand towns and villages with not a single unique quality except the particular arrangement of the same old blocks

Daggerfall ruined the Breton's lore with this shit.

>>14560629

They're only acceptable if they're milky.

>>14560076

>>14560089

You're assuming that enough people will bother with modding it, in the first place.

The original looks better anon.

>>14560136

This.

>>14560076

>will it overtake Morrowind as the best Elder Scrolls game?

No, because Morrowind is a good game and Daggerfall is not.

>>14560857

>uncanny valley fetish

good taste

>>14560428

>There's very little static content in Morrowind

>Entire game is static content bar leveled lists on certain spawners (not all) of enemies and certain containers (not all, and not similar lists in different places)

Nigga

>>14560872

I wish there were a common name for it so I could look it up, searching for "faceless" often yields results of people who's heads are out of frame, searching for "helmet" gives results of people in open helmets who have faces clearly visible.

>>14560999

Do you not understand that periods end sentences? I wasn't saying there is very little, as in there's more random shit, but that there is very little content. Compared to Daggerfall, Morrowind is tiny in many many ways.

>>14561062

>The static content isn't that good

>There's very little of it

>It being the static content

>Comment on the quality of it in the next sentence

It's you that doesn't understand, and has shit opinions to boot.

How far along is the mod?

>>14561081

This is a Daggerfall thread, Morrowind gets enough love.

>>14561035

try searching for something a bit more specific, like the parody https://exhentai.org/g/1095427/a9ee1a1b84/

>>14561171

Is that anywhere else? My Sadpanda account got Shoah'd for 1000 years because I shared it on a few sites and I haven't bothered to make a new one.

I'm not joking, they banned me for until 3016.

>>14561185

>they banned me for until 3016.

They do that if they find out an account is public. I don't know why but they're really autistic about making sure no outsiders can use their site.

I forgot to say that you're not missing much, the link he posted is a large album of SFM stills.

>>14561185

What do you mean anywhere else? It's a public gallery.

https://e-hentai.org/g/1095427/a9ee1a1b84/

Also I'm curious, is it the entire face that has to be hidden or just the eyes?

>>14561085

>mod

What did he mean by this?

>>14561185

>>14561441

Can't you just make another one?

Off-topic sage

>>14561741

You can, but it takes like a week and I've just never cared enough.

>>14560221

how is Unity engine SJW exactly?

>>14560076

The original looks ten times better, it's mostly the grand mountain skybox that does it.

Original Daggerfall looks better than Morrowind. Sprites really do age better than shitty low poly models.

>>14562055

>diversity is the outcome of health

>diversity has been proven time and time again to decrease social cohesion

>>14560076

>Daggerfall Unity

Looks like a shitty minecraft texture pack.

>>14562055

>that lazy eye on pink

>>14563518

Early 3D models look like shit when rendered in high resolution.

>>14561185

Just use the firefox addon.

>>14561085

It's not a Mod it's a complete port. It's Unity though, it doesn't even look like a good one either Daggerfall's terrain is really varied plus a cool skybox.

>>14560076

Too different to compare, Daggerfall is the most 'different' of all the mainline TES games, it's a LARPy as fuck dungeon crawler.

>>14571119

How much did he spend on Rock Band DLC again?

>>14571119

American time is weird. Do they mean it expires at the start of the day or the end of it?

>>14571119

It was a Sonic game he streamed, right?

How did he even get it that early?

>>14561165

So you offer nothing to contradict me on your statements and what they communicate other than that you're assblasted you're wrong? My reading comprehension is fine, your inability to communicate is the problem.

>>14571153

$2000

>>14560241

>procedurally generated is better than actually modeled and playtested

right thats why only the first dungeon is fun

>>14579882

The dungeons in Skyrim were made by hand and still sucked ass.

>>14579936

They are still miles ahead than the garbage in Daggerfall

>get a quest in a dungeon

>the quest target is behind a wall you cannot get through

>you need to cheat to even complete the quest

>>14579952

>having to cheat to get through walls

Absolutely uninitiated.

>>14579936

>using SKYRIM for quality comparison

right how about quake?

>>14580290

what else is even seemingly hand crafted? i only assume the first dungeon isn't randomly generated too just because the first room is not seen again, it still plays like random rooms tied together, but with admittedly cool secrets like the lever on the throne that elevates you (also useless because you could just climb). like they just played a few hours and picked the least retarded dungeon they could find. and i know what procedurally generated means as in each individual room is hand crafted so that isn't what im referring to, the dungeons are labyrinthine corridors with boxes glued together. half the "dungeons" are two rooms at the bottom of a staircase, not even the shops feel handmade and every mechanic you actually have is deliberately made just so you cannot get locked in a retarded poorly ""designed"" spot like being able to bust down doors eventually and levitation/climbing which all just further to make the game nothing more than mindless button mash dungeon crawler where youll have better experience in diablo

>>14560076

False, the world is still way too big, and it goes past the point where you can build an interesting world out of it, and it runs in Unity, Arena's scale and density is the perfect size for Tamriel.

morrowind + tr + pt + OpenMW > DF Unity With mods

>>14560116

the unity one has unlimited draw distance so you can see real mountains miles away not fake ones.

>>14560345

the sun is actually rising from the ocean, that's not some cut off.

>>14580456

Literally ever main quest dungeon is handcrafted, or did you think the giant god-machine in the aethirum was randomly generated.

>>14580514

56% Nordic

As a side note the source code for DaggerXL was released as an April Fools joke, you know, the Daggerfall engine remake not using Unity.

And OpenTESArena is gearing up for a new release, it's moving significantly faster than DFUnity.

>>14571154

start

>>14579882

>doesn't know all the plot dungeons were designed

>he's only played the first dungeon

>>14560163

Oh now suddenly that's a legitimate excuse.

>>14579952

>he can't go thru the walls

THOUGHT YOU KNEW

FUCK IF YOU DIDN'T

FUCK YOU

>>14560076

>Overtake Morrowind

It was already better. Morrowind was the casualisation of the series.

>>14562064

I wish there was a remake of Arena where it was a hybrid of Daggerfall and Morrowind.

it's one of my dream games.

>>14580544

see that moutain?

yeah…. not only does that screen shot not have unlimited draw distance, I'm very doubtful the actual ingame mountains would look good considering how shit the graphics look.

Fucking

>UNITY

of all things to recreate something with. No thanks I'll just play the original with the superior artstyle, that doesn't use cheap 3D looking graphics of unity, superior performance, better gameplay (let's be real, they're gonna fuck things up like how it controls or "rebalancing") and just an overall better experience.

>>14560076

>Daggerfall Unity

>Unity

OpenMW will continue to be my weapon of choice for being actual FOSS. Why a fucking Daggerfall rewrite needed to be in Unity is beyond me.

What I find ironic is the only reason Morrowind is more popular is that most of the faggots that like it and treat it like THE pinnacle of TES only do so because they got it for xbawks when they were a teen. Morrowind was the the first step in casualizing the series. Sure it made improvements in areas, mostly to do with graphics, but also subtracted many features. Morrowind was the beginning of the decline.

If Daggerfall had any possibility of falling into the void completely removed, had its alchemy improved, had enemies/object spawning in the world map (without it being from interrupted resting), and had some more interesting quests added to all the guilds it would be the perfect game in my opinion.

>>14560108

Faggot or woman detected

TES is casual garbage. Might and Magic masterrace reporting in. You know The Mandate of Heaven is better.

>>14586328

Faggots are the one that like big clumsy male nigger lips on dykes. Cow tits in their own right are fine.

>>14562064

>Arena was the best in some regards

How?

>>14560555

>>14560578

This shit here? This is the real issue:

>>14560089

Even this statement about Arena.

RNG is shit in Skyrim, and it's shit in Daggerfall. Morrowind in its hand-crafted state allows you to get quests like finding a random drunk guy, getting a key, and hours later using it to break into a vault. Daggerfall gives you:

>Excuse me, traveler, would you be interested in hearing this story about a dungeon.

>(y/n) -> y

>If you take this key to X you can use it to get into a vault of treasures. Good luck buddy. Try to come back in Y days though.

And repeat that a hundred times over. Daggerfall is bearable if you just drop any pretense of playing the random quests - which give you shit for loot anyways - and just power through the main quest line; maybe the Mages Guild, since they're the only truly useful ones anyways.

Further, there's a simply fact that Daggerfall does not manage an overworld. If all you think of RPGs is "go into dungeons and get stuff to boost your stats" then that's perfectly fine, if you move past the "B" in "B/X" you're going to start seeing that there's other shit that should be getting done - building your own stronghold, for instance. That's setting aside the immersion factor between how travel is handled.

>>14587039

>building a base

>exploring wilderness

>muh immersion

All nice but shallow features that are a poor trade-off when the result is a far more simple and trimmed-down RPG. If you think the premise of Daggerfall is simply "go into dungeon and get stuff for boosting stats" then you are being a bit too narrow-minded to really appreciate the challenges and freedom of playstyle that Daggerfall offers and where later TES titles really fall short. I, too, love Morrowind for the intimate details such as the obscure tombs and shipwrecks with back stories to uncover and Chance's Folly. But those kind of things are more impressive from the mind set of a person with experience in action-adventure games and not much else. When judging the two games as cRPGs, Daggerfall is always the better one.

>>14587039

>finding a random drunk guy

In the same location. In every playthrough.

>getting a key

The same key. To the same door. In every play through.

>Daggerfall gives you:

Daggerfall quests may be random assemblings of quest location, quest target, and quest time, but at least that means they only run out when you stop doing them and if there's a quest you don't like you don't have to do it. In Morrowind you do the quests of a guild/faction period if you want to advance. There is no option when joining the mages guild not to have to walk around picking shit ingredients in order to advance, every time you play through.

You also over simplify the quests. A fair number of Daggerfall's quests don't involve a dungeon at all, but even if they do, at least it will be a different dungeon pretty much every time, instead of the same exact one, for the exact same reason, every play through like in Morrowind.

Why are the only projects working on Daggerfall entire ports instead of just some mods fixing issues within the original? I mean, not that these other projects can't be worked on as well, but why hasn't those not working on said projects done the much simpler task of fixing bugs or modding in improvements?

>>14590745

This is the same game that was so buggy even during it's hey day the devs gave up and gave the fans their dev tools in case it broke on them.

>>14590775

I get that, but it's been 22 years. I've looked at both DaggerXL and Daggerfall Unity and see all kinds of work taking apart the game files or extracting information from them, but not a single project from anyone else doing the same just to fix some issues. They can't be impossible to fix.

For example: falling into the void

Albeit this is rare with a fully patched game, but it still does happen, mostly when going up one of the steep ramps in a dungeon at anything slower than a run.

On that topic I don't understand why the original devs never made the void, which is outside of a dungeons blocks, automatically put the player back in their last known position within the blocks? How hard could that possibly be? Any movement (i.e. falling) in the void could automatically trigger this, or hell even if that's somehow magically impossible, why are the outsides of dungeon rooms solid? Why can I run around on top of them, seeing into them, while not being able to get back in unless I find another seam to fall through? The outside of a dungeon room's ceiling should not block movement. There is no reason for it to when there is nothing supposed to be in the void to begin with.

>>14587253

>There is no option when joining the mages guild not to have to walk around picking shit ingredients in order to advance, every time you play through.

But you can, just go to another guild hall that gives different quests

>>14590833

>>when joining the mages guild

>lol just don't join the mages guild

What if anon wants to play a mage?

>>14590843

Nigger there are multiple different mage guild halls, you can entirely skip ajiras(flower and mushroom picking) quests for instance.

>>14560108

Big tits are so damn comfy, man. They're super soft, you can use them as a pillow, they're warm, they're cuddly. It's all you could ever need.

>>14583663

>the source code for DaggerXL was released

5 years too late, but better late than never. Does it apply only to DaggerXL or all of XLEngine, so people would at least finish it for Dark Forces and Blood?

>>14590845

Once you've played those guilds, and done those quests, do they change? If not then you are just validating the criticism of that anon, which from what I can tell wasn't about the quest in particular, but that its the same every time.

Why isn't there an anime about getting lost in procedural made dungeons?

The story could be that the MC is sent to a fantasy world by a mad God who wants to test his creations. The God has created a multitude of completely randomized dungeons that not even he knows what is inside of them.

>From episode 2 to 12 our character would spend all their time inside these randomized dungeons.

The big payoff is when he finally gets outside in the middle of a grassy field. He reaches up towards the sky and the show ends.

>>14590833

>>14590843

>Different guild halls in other villages give different quests.

I had no idea, where's a fighter's guild hall that gives good quests for people who just got out of the Privateer's Hold?

>>14592003

Morrowind was what was being discussed.

>>14590823

>They can't be impossible to fix.

Look there are static limits to the original Daggerfall, these limits cannot be overcome without rebuilding the engine entirely. There is simply a point where things are as fixed as they can get then it's just a matter of doing a port to rebuild the whole thing.

The big reason for the port is because of bugs that crop up specifically because it's being ran on modern hardware.

>>14592113

>Look there are static limits to the original Daggerfall

There is no static limit that makes falling into the void impossible to fix. The only limit to doing that is actually taking the time to figure out why it happens.

>>14592179

>There is no static limit that makes falling into the void impossible to fix.

You fall into the void because the physics calculates your position being in the void, to fix this entirely you'd need to completely change how physics are calculated and also how the seams connect and set when generating the world. This isn't as simple as it seems, since Daggerfall is a DOS game you have to abide by the static limits of MS-DOS.

>>14560739

>Only normalfags want something interesting or original

>Real r/pcmasterrace gamers want to play the same thing over and over in order to maximize the numbers on their spreadsheet

>>14590872

Not entirely true. You also need to kill yourself.

>>14561196

>I don't know why but they're really autistic about making sure no outsiders can use their site.

It's because exhentai has lolis, and those are considered child porn in some countries. As well as some other more questionable content, but it's really mostly lolis. It's why you can access all the other galleries through the public site.

>ITT: Anti-Unity fags who don't understand how engines work and assume all Unity games are shitty newgrounds-tier shit

>>14560076

So when will they populate the countryside and give you a reason to go trekking across the land?

>>14560076

>decide to replay Daggerfall after skimming through this thread

>in the first dungeon

>those fucking sound effects

>that fucking skeleton scream

>lost for an hour because I didnt pay attention to the map while exploring

jesus christ I missed this…

>>14592584

the game is overpriced, but youre ignoring the fact that this Unity game looks better than any other game on other engines this year

>>14592246

> to fix this entirely you'd need to completely change how physics are calculated

No you fucking wouldn't. Why do faggots like you who know nothing about programming deign to speak on such matters? It can be as simple as adding a check to player location.

>and also how the seams connect and set when generating the world

holy inefficient problem solving fagman

>Daggerfall is a DOS game you have to abide by the static limits of MS-DOS

>D-dos can't handle a few dozen more lines of code

>>14592874

> It can be as simple as adding a check to player location.

They do have that check, that's why you end up in the void when you end up at certain heights or distances, the game is constantly checking your location every time you take a step. The only quickfix Bethesda came up with in Arena was to just auto teleport you out of it but all their games more or less have the void.

>>14592963

*

All their DOS games have the void.

>>14592963

>They do have that check, that's why you end up in the void when you end up at certain heights or distances

Only I've ended up in the void going through a seam and never for being too high or any of the nonsense you are spewing.

>The only quickfix Bethesda came up with in Arena was to just auto teleport you out of it but all their games more or less have the void.

So Bethesda didn't put in effort to fix their problem and you claim that it is just can't be fixed without rewriting the entire physics.

I don't believe that shit, and until you have a better explanation I am not going to.

>>14592971

>why don't you

1. Time. My spare time is spent playing games, not fixing them.

2. I'm not claiming to be such a great programmer, I just know enough to call bullshit when I see it

>>14560538

daggerfall is random-generated garbage

>>14592990

>never for being too high or any of the nonsense you are spewing.

There is a height limit in the game, every movement you make causes a physics check of your location, if you reach this height you either crash the game or you end up in the void. Half the reason you end up in a void is because it checks your location and your location says you're in the void so you end up in there. The easiest way to enter deliberately is to simply levitate through a slope.

>>14593032

>And you expect me

I didn't even think about you till you popped your nigger head up

>>14593051

>There is a height limit in the game, every movement you make causes a physics check of your location, if you reach this height you either crash the game or you end up in the void.

And yet I've been in rooms above where I have fallen into the void without a problem.

>Half the reason you end up in a void is because it checks your location and your location says you're in the void so you end up in there. The easiest way to enter deliberately is to simply levitate through a slope.

Funny, since everytime I've been in the void it acts like the rest of the game, just without a solid surface unless I happen to be standing on the outside of a dungeon room's ceiling. It seems more to me like (and I'm not saying its exactly the same) like when you noclip through a wall, but contained to a seam, which btw is the only time it has ever happened to me.

>>14593092

It's really obvious that neither one of you have a goddamn idea what you're posting about and are just trying to impress yourselves. Just go get a room already.

>>14593092

>Funny, since everytime I've been in the void it acts like the rest of the game

For someone who claims to be a decent programmer you certainly seem to be unable to understand what I'm talking about at all. The void is out of boundaries of the game world but it's valid when a physics check of your location happens, so instead of a game crash you just "no-clip" through things otherwise the game would crash from an invalid location.

>>14593137

>For someone who claims to be a decent programmer you certainly seem to be unable to understand what I'm talking about at all. The void is out of boundaries of the game world but it's valid when a physics check of your location happens, so instead of a game crash you just "no-clip" through things otherwise the game would crash from an invalid location.

You said it was due to height, and then I rebutted that by saying that I have been in rooms above the room I have fallen through just fine. The void being out of boundaries is obvious, but it being an "invalid location" makes no sense when I can run around the tops of the ceilings or even climb up the outside of the walls to higher rooms while in the void. Seems more likely to me that it is a coordinated space that the rooms occupy, while said rooms contain the objects/characters within. The way you are describing it not only doesn't make sense with what I have experienced, it sounds completely assbackwards.

In fact flying anywhere in the game is just like being in the void, and again you can land on the outside of rooms as if they were the ground just like when flying anywhere else. Even when I played a barely patched version of the game years ago I never fell into the void anywhere when outside (and obviously never in a fully patched version) almost like the void doesn't exist below the ground outside. This is true even if climbing tall structures or doing things that would potentially throw me into the void in a dungeon.

Simply, your explanation doesn't make sense with what is experienced at all, and sounds like you are pulling it from your ass.

>>14593170

>You said it was due to height

Well I used the game's height and exceeding it as an example otherwise the physics check is every time you move. There is even a void ranger technique utilizing an indoor room, a saved game, and then levitating vertically in a specific spot but that I can't actually explain why that happens without the source code which Bethesda refuses to release. I'm just in the dark about that as you, the slopes involve crouching and levitating upwards.

>it sounds completely assbackwards.

I didn't say the void is an invalid location I said it is a valid location which is why you can end up there and not end up with a game crash.

> and sounds like you are pulling it from your ass.

The void is in all versions of the game, you can even exploit the void to cause an overflow of fall damage and give yourself insane health.

>>14593232

*

and then levitating vertically in a specific spot outside

>>14593232

That's a much better explanation.

I have really only played the Elderscroll's games from Daggerfall and on, but how is Arena? I tried it for a little bit a long time ago before putting it on my backlog. Any good features compared to daggerfall?

>>14590872

The sweat they produce underneath them also stink horribly if the woman doesn't clean herself properly (they usually never do because women suck at life).

>>14591378

That'd be amazing, but I dunno how feasible it'd be.

How far along is Daggerfall Unity anyway? Didn't they estimate for a release in 2020 or something?

>>14592495

your playing the wrong version then.

>>14597440

I'm not playing any Unity version. I just play the original (kind of) but I was just summarizing what I gathered from the forum post you linked.

>>14597590

But these are mods for the Unity version.

Is there a place I can download Daggerfall that is packaged for instant play on windows after install, or whatever.

>>14597638

I dont think you understand what is going on with the unity version. they didn't rewrite the game from scratch, they are using the Old game and reading the files from the dos version and injecting code to enhance and add mod support to the old game.

>>14597714

>all that forest

I'm getting flashbacks to Deer Hunter II.

>>14561185

Can’t you make another account?

how the fuck did you get ban? I mean I get you made it public but did you post a “how to” and got banned?

>>14561196

Because muh sekrit club man!