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>Reddit spaced OP

Oh man, this thread is going to crash hard, I can tell

>>14559292

What's your opinion of Interbay/Space Station November code?

>>14559739

>Foward lighting cone

Oh hey that's neat. Is it just a visual overlay, or does it actually change the lighting level (eg for Shadowlings)?

SS14 is going for some stupid realistic bullshit looking art style, so I can safely tick that off my list of things to watch.

Space Station 3D actually has progress being made, but it looks to simplify a lot of things like placing things in lockers. Really, the 3D aspect forces it to abandon lots of the fun stuff. It looks like a neat game, but SS13 it will not be.

So what other good spin offs have we got aside from generic SS13 ie /tg/, Paradise, Goon, Bay etc?

There's Star Trek 13, which appears to trim down the fat of a crew and lets you go into different factions, so there can be a Captain/HoS/Medical/etc for a Federation ship and one for NT etc. You can fly your ship properly, and there's ship-to-ship combat, as well as ship boarding. You can even space the clown and run him over with your ship.

Any other fun servers?

Apparently the Fallout 13 code is fun but the Admins just bussed everyone that wasn't in the BFF circlejerk.

FTL was tried for a long time here and the devs appear to have given up on it.

I just heard about Oracle Station, which is a blend of /tg/ and Paradise, with furries being weaker than humans and much, much less lag. Going to try that now.

>>14560296

The problem with SS13 is that it's a conglomeration of different things.

Like you have xenomorphs, traitors, halo, changelings, pretty much everything from scifi has to be represented in some form or another, and they might not have ideal rulesets.

>>14560339

The problem is every remake/engine change has a dev that wants to reinvent the wheel.

All anyone wants is SS13 on a different game engine that doesn't shit itself, but instead everyone wants to add something like 3D, seamless Z-level changes with bombs going over multiple levels, persistent maps, moving the entire station etc.

Instead of making a 1:1 adaptation and then adding their bullshit, they go ballistic from the start.

Another problem is devs try to make SS13 with a blend from all the main servers, but that doesn't work. What you need is to essentially remake BYOND but only for SS13. You just want an empty shell that other users can make their own assets for.

All people want is the BYOND lag and archaic code gone. A launcher with better networking, server-side code that doesn't shit itself and easier scripting, like C#, python or LUA and everyone would rejoice.

>>14560397

If they add a 1:1 adaptation, the engine is still limited, that's the problem.

>>14560424

Talking about 1:1 of items, gamemodes, mechanics etc.

Almost all of the lag in the game comes from BYOND being shit. You can run your server on the highest end box you can get your hands on, but BYOND bottlenecks constantly and it will just kill itself.

>>14560454

I know there's an somewhat still active attempt to port TG code over to Unity, called Unitystation.

Assuming a new engine, would randomly generating a station every round be something that people would want?

On paper, it wouldn't be too difficult, you would just have templates and do things step by step. You could even have variables that control the sprawl, tech level, state of the station, etc. Think of it as an extension of the game mode

>>14560722

Are you considering actually making a new engine?

Completely random station layout would turn people off for normal gamemodes.

If you want some gamemodes that would work well with a new station every time, here's off the top of my head:

>xeno/shadowling/cling gamemode

>everyone spawns in random locations on a derelict station and you need to find other people to work together

>have resources very scarce to get players to kill each other for resources

>pretty much just alien isolation in 2d

That would work well as players already distrust each other in SS13. If you were to add something like a strike team sent to purge the station of all knowledge of the xenos, ala Death Squid, then people would be even more tempted to work alone, which is what the xeno/s want.

or:

>small group of players, no more than 20, launch from a shuttle onto a random station that is filled with monsters/NPCs/SNPCs (iamgoofball is making GOAP AIs for /tg/, but those are a bit away from completion) that the players have to kill

>have one side be the syndicate and the other be NT, either way works

If you want a truly random map, that wouldn't work as people want that slight predictability at least at the start of the game.

Something that wouldn't be too bad is designating a large box of the map to each department and having randomised rooms populate that, for example:

Big area for Security, must have:

-Brig

-Cells x 4

-Perma

-HoS/Warden office

-Locker room

-whatever else

And you have a bunch of different room layouts for each of those items, that the server would cobble together to make a new layout for the department each time. That way, security is still in the same place and everyone knows how to find it, but the real layout is different, which may aid or hinder various crimes.

Random maint layouts every round would be perfectly fine, though, as maint is meant to be confusing but people just learn it and know all the hiding spots for antags.

Paradise and I think /tg/ have Space Ruins, which are a group of random asteroids that spawn in every round to find and explore. They're all predefined, though, and all that changes is where on the z-level they spawn and which predefine they are.

>>14560776

I'm a familiar (but unknown) face to the threads. I won't be making anything any time soon, but if I did, it would be some variant of C#. I don't know shit about networking or async, on top of having no projects completed, but I have a good grasp of technical stuff. So I figure if I do it, it'd be years from now.

Anyways, a truly random map could very well be possible. Just not on Byond. I have a decent idea how it would be approached, too.

New round starting up. Get in here you double niggers.

>>14559292

Save an actual working OP in notepad instead of pasting one from another thread.

Finished my pull request: https://github.com/BigSlice/-tg-station/pull/109

I tried testing everything it touched, so if you find any bugs ==please== make an issue on github. There are also more plants I can merge, if you want.

>>14561430

I'll fix the shitty formatting if I make the next tread. The problem I think is that it's a completely different person making each thread.

>>14563937

Thanks for your effort, it would be nice to have more coders around like you.

>still no SS13 remake in a good/not laggy engine

I know there's PULSAR and Barotrauma, but they don't have the amount of depth SS13 has.

>>14560296

>>14560616

>>14564091

Space Station 3D looks really promising (good artstyle that's not a direct cut-and-paste job of ss13 into 3D, working physics, focusing on getting the engine up and running before rounds and gametypes) but it's early days yet (basically nothing works besides movement, attacking, and slipping apparently, no atmos).

Unitystation is open-sourced and community-developed. That's always a huge plus, and doubly so for a community-driven game like SS13. It's also a direct port of /tg/station specifically.

I have no idea what's going on with SS14. They've just switched to Godot, about which I've heard exceptionally good things, but I have no idea how much progress they've made. Maybe less than the others, even with the headstart on gooncode, since it doesn't look like they've updated much in the past two years. The Steam confuses me, since it shows that weird wants-to-be photorealistic style even though the page at spacestation14.io has screenshots of the new engine running with some ported BYOND assets and a 3D mockup with custom art assets that look to be trying to replicate SS13's artstyle.

It's a tossup at this early point, but with open-sourced projects the progress can't be lost. We can still hope.

>>14563937

>Bluespace Banana

I don't even want to fucking think about it

>>14563937

merged and recompiled this meme

>>14566274

HONK

>>14559707

Been looking through it. It has a lot of features that I like. I'm not a fan of its sound design, though.

Some features that might be fun hamburglaring:

https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/5398

This is similar to what I was doing with that exploration map, but more fleshed out.

https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/14265

I was thinking about how you would make customisable machines a while ago, thought it was a pipe dream. But, no, turns out it was already fully implemented in both bay and goon.

Which got me looking a similar systems:

https://github.com/Baystation12/Baystation12/pull/12264

Could work in conjunction with Integrated Circutry, but has a much larger footprint on the code.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/28830/files

This has a much smaller footprint, but is pretty skeletal.

>>14559739

>>14559707

How can I host a server?

pastebin.com/FNgyH23a

>>14565727

SS3D has an inability to be the same as the 2D game just because of the added dimension.

In the last(?) video, we see the player putting things in a locker, but you can clearly only put in a volume of items equal to the locker, and should you knock it over everything falls out.

So now, you can't store a body and any other item as the player models are almost the exact size of the closets, and every closet needs to be stacked perfectly and either bolted to the ground or tiptoed around, lest is be smacked to the floor.

Oh, and movement has that shitty tumblr-indie dev style where you stop moving and your entire upper body flings forwards and wobbles around.

UnityStation looks neat. I saw it was on the front page of Steam in the upcoming tab, so that will either get a million people playing and shit up every other server or only attract the worst shitters.

SS14 are a meme, honestly. They're adding so much shit that isn't the base game. They redesigned player models, did away with tile based movement and are adding a bunch of other things that aren't in the base game as standard. If they added these things as extras, I'd be ok, but they're adding them as the base game and then telling anyone that wants to port over a codebase to have to do those very basic features themselves.

>>14572441

Just checked out the latest 2 videos for SS3D, one is about the inventory system and that looks fine, but the other is ranged combat. Harm intent is just an attack mode and it's ez-mode so you can only shoot at mobs and have 0 chance of fucking up clicks.

Also, bullets are hitscan because :DDDDD

UnityStation looks okay but

>Unity Engine

I seriously hope all trashtalk about Unity is nothing but meme.

Meanwhile, in parallel universe, there's GodotStation and SS14 on Unity engine.

>>14572631

Unity is a meme because new devs just use the presets and it bloats and slows down the game. It's very easy to start to use but hard to use correctly. 2D games such as SS13 wouldn't be hampered by many of those things, however, as they're targeted at 3D devs for the most part.

It's a perfectly good engine, examples including Hollow Knight, Furi and Superhot.

>>14572441

The good news is that they're all still early in development so most of this stuff can be changed or forked later. The locker thing for SS3D in particular is probably not going to stay since it raises an obvious possibility:

>kill dude

>loot his corpse

>dump worthless junk on the ground

>try to shove it all in a locker

>doesn't fit

>put crap in his backpack, put it back on him

>player model is now only marginally larger

>fits in the locker perfectly

Also, where did you see a locker falling over and popping open? that sounds worrying, but I can't find it.

>>14572760

La Mulana 2, for better or worse, is also being made in Unity.

Isn't it due this year?

>>14578507

>I, one (1) person am going to remake SS13

this alone tells me this is an april fools joke

>>14559292

>What is Space Station 13?

a mistake

Someone find me a networking tutorial for C#, both with and without a 3rd party library

>>14560397

THat's just it though, BYOND code is written sort of like Python or Lua. It's just that it's an unoptimized piece of garbage not even Danny DeVito would touch.

Made some more PRs to fix some things:

https://github.com/BigSlice/-tg-station/pull/110

toggle ambience will now silence space asshole

https://github.com/BigSlice/-tg-station/pull/111

Fixed some sprites. couldn't find it in the tg branch so I did it manually.

https://github.com/BigSlice/-tg-station/pull/112

buffs and adds new chemicals to plants. more of these on the way.

I was wondering. Does merging sprites work like merging code? Do they the add only the change s or does the entire spritesheet get overwritten?

this motherfucker better not be empty and on fire

>>14588665

Had a few games two weeks ago, it's been empty every time I've checked since.

>>14588719

what a bummer.

>>14588732

There was the time I logged in over the weekend to find the shuttle on the way but no one logged in. You're going to have to check on nights and weekends, there aren't enough people to play a full round otherwise.

>>14588743

will do, been itching to play again. least pozzed other server to idle in?

>>14588749

No idea. I poked around briefly, and /tg/station is 100% powergaming "I must determine the roundtype and WIN asap" faggots and rounds rarely last half an hour. Hippie is 100% "hurrdurr SS13 is so WACKY u guise" faggots and the station burns down inside of 15 minutes but the round won't end because the captain fucked off to shoot "tators" with his lasergun and the other head positions are empty because then you can't be traitor and have fun. So, my guess is /vg/station but I haven't tried that in 5 years or so.

oracle station from menu seems alright.>>14588767

>>14587001

Entire spritesheet gets overwritten. By the way, what plants have "Separated chemicals" and "Densified chemicals" traits? Chems are good but you should add more traits and plants from tg. Like "Hipodermic prickles" trait and ambosia gaia, cannabis plants.

>>14589059

They really don't seem alright to me. They have furry race, "No hate speech" in rules (aka SJW admins), they removed suicides from their code. They look like Baystation 2.0 from this.

>>14589884

Guess I'll have to bundle my icon changes then. Thanks for the info.

"Separated chemicals" and "Densified chemicals" came unused in the PR. I'll find the one that uses them and add it to the Botany Buffs. Other than that I will keep searching for botany PRs.

>>14589971

xenobio consoles might be hard if they use TGUI. I'd have to convert it into css or whatever.

As for lavaland I might do something special. Wonder if the server could handle both asteroid and lavaland.

Thank you for you suggestions, I'll see what I can do

>>14589059

>oracle

They had trialmins loose with full admeme buttons. Forget that nonsense. They also have some nobody xenobiologist they fawn over, like the cunt is a shriner child or something. If it's one of you, making them thirsty, cut it.

>>14590123

You did great job on porting that dna-manipulator. But we need something bigger. Our codebase is outdated. And many people want to use new mechanics. Its not just lavaland and xenobio consoles. There also integrated circuits, new xenobio reactions, solidified chems and chem weapons, traits system, new brain damage system, clock cult - all these new mechanics are on hippie and nu-tg.

I suggest changing our codebase to hippie. It has a lot of new mechanics. But there are bad things too. Like techwebs, for example. So I decided to make a modified of hippie codebase without techwebs (from november 2017), but with our things. I managed to port our chem synthesizer and our pandemic to hippie. I also made some balance changes to get it close to our server. Unfortunately there is still a lot to do and it is kinda buggy because it has many unfixed nu-tg issues. Address is here: https://github.com/ZioZan/Hippiestation.

I suggest taking this or current Hippie codebase for temporary test run.

When does it quietly get back to Val station? It was the sweet science of SS13. Only thing to do is ignore the thread next go around. That one faggot I got to out themselves as some bargain bin machiavellian twat.

>>14597542

A lot of the nu-TG and hippie features are based around the fact that their rounds last on average about a half an hour. For example, you can get a lot of overpowered shit just from xenobio or even botany after around an hour of work, but since rounds tend to last half that long, you rarely get to see it. Adjustments are going to have to be made to this kind of stuff unless you're planning that our server goes down the same path.

>>14598176

It seems like everything is just more and more stun based. I really dislike the unrobust.

Also I remember we used to have a station with pilot able ship and on board canon that we have to manually load shells into, with star maps and shit. What happened to that?

>>14598709

That was FTL13 or whatever. I'm not sure if it's still fresh or not. There was also the WWII thing. Someone is also working on a Trek thing too. They best have some swole fellows on board. I missed whenever it was open for testing.

Did anyone have fun with the Fallout one? I'm not even sure if that's still live or private bunkered. I never got around to being a vault dweller, and that seemed like where the meat of it was.

>>14598870

FTL13 is stillborn AFAIK. From what I can gather, an admin from another server took over and the main coder, who is an underage retard that can't able being told no, had a meltdown.

Coincidentally, the admin that took over is the same admin that let another underage retard shit up Paradise's perfect codebase into a private ERP furry codebase.

Star Trek 13 has weekly(?) server tests and is pretty fun. They have a disagreement somewhere that tells you when it's up, but I don't know it, I just join when one of my buddies does.

>>14600188

Engine wasn't that big of a problem, as you could cheese the thermo generator and break the law of energy conservation.

The main issue with that gamemode is there's not much to do for the half of the crew. Science maxes quickly from all the new items then does nothing, Engineering are completely worthless as any idiot can build a laser cannnon, Medbay had patches so you didn't need a doctor and sec was never staffed, so you either had an antag that instawon or let everyone chill.

The game could quite literally be "won" with 3 people in command.

>>14600440

>weekly(?) server tests

Nice, I'll have to keep an eye out for when they're live then. That's a shame about FTL13, damn does byond attract some spergy codefags.