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864003 No.14552408
Tbh, Throne of Britannia looks better and better as it goes on.
The viking is gonna be my main faction since they are the most germanic next to anglo-saxon.
I am sorta happy they delay it since they might touch up a bit more.
6b991e No.14552420
Please Guthfrid cameo in Sonic R 2, do it Sega.
864003 No.14552426
>>14552420
Would be kinda weird, no?
6b991e No.14552438
>>14552426
Nope. Willemus from RTW2 was in Transformed.
864003 No.14552443
>>14552438
Wow, that's kind of a literally who for me, could have chosen Karl Franz, Octavian Caesar or Achilles or someone more recognizable.
738bf5 No.14552453
864003 No.14552458
>>14552453
It's one of the last good western franchises that are about history and shit.
Also funded by the japanese.
864003 No.14552468
>>14552462
Nice cherrypicking, faggot.
If you do this shit, every nations are supposedly terrible at warfare.
80f68b No.14552483
>>14552468
prove him wrong then with lots of significant battles that vikings actually won. Vikings were traders and raiders, not warriors.
4b8a99 No.14552486
>>14552468
Sorry for insulting snowniggers. I'll try harder next time to be more respectful of your feelings.
864003 No.14552494
>>14552483
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age
I'm just gonna go link this here and you can read it.
>Vikings were traders and raiders, not warriors.
They were warriors too, mercenaries to be hired by foreign lords and kings, not just raiders.
864003 No.14552505
>>14552486
Tbh the only more successful warriors are the meds, the anglo-saxons and the germanics (the latter being the viking cousins).
c8939c No.14552515
aye where chedder man be at?
7b4c85 No.14552533
>>14552505
meds? Is that short for Mediterranean? That covers a dozen races and a thousand cultures over ten thousand years.
Also vikings and anglo-saxons are both germanic. You can't list them then say "and the germanics".
864003 No.14552540
>>14552533
Should have said continental germanics then i.e. the burgundians, the alamans, the bavarians, the swabians, franks…
>meds? Is that short for Mediterranean? That covers a dozen races and a thousand cultures over ten thousand years.
Nope, only meant to say greeks, macedonians and romans.
97847a No.14552548
>>14552408
>The viking is gonna be my main faction
>maining a medieval european equivalent of niggers
I think I'll go with Celts
864003 No.14552556
>>14552548
What's this shit about viking being niggers?
8eb61a No.14552581
>>14552458
>It's one of the last good western franchises that are about history and shit.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
864003 No.14552608
>>14552581
It's just a thematic cash grab, anon.
864003 No.14552643
>>14552623
Soyboys don't play TW, anon.
7f48a0 No.14552659
>>14552548
>celts
>a group of people that haven't achieved anything in the past 5000 years
>not niggers
Anyone who doesn't play as a strong ANGLO-SAXON king who spreads the word of our holy lord should leave
c2c001 No.14552716
>>14552659
>.t Proud Englishman
Pic related, it's you.
97847a No.14552719
>>14552556
>barge into Britain unwanted and uninvited
>pillage, rape, steal and generally nig around
>mostly target civilian population, try to avoid armed soldiers
>when one of theirs gets (justly) executed, they decide he dindu nuffin' and that he needs to be avenged by forming a great heathen horde and chimping out even more
>usually run away back to Scandinavia when shit gets tough, where they join in the perpetual chimpout of constant tribal warfare
>if not exterminated in time, will culturally enrich an area and keep raping the locals
864003 No.14552734
>>14552719
Oh please, as if niggers ever sailed anywhere and conquered anything.
97847a No.14552747
>>14552734
They are conquering Sweden as we speak
864003 No.14552764
>>14552747
Not by glorious conquest but by deceit and inaction.
97847a No.14552770
>>14552764
There wasn't much glory in hit&run tactics and pillaging defenseless villages and monasteries either
c8939c No.14552790
>>14552719
takes years of training to kill a monk.
65477e No.14552802
>>14552659
>building the pyramids
>not achieving anything
Nice try Schlomo.
97847a No.14552808
>>14552802
But pyramids were built by aliens
8eb61a No.14552819
>retards flinging shit at each other like retarded monkeys instead of acknowledging that different people achieved different things
You fucking idiots.
864003 No.14552820
>>14552770
>>14552790
Aye, but it takes fucking glory to fucking sack Paris and kill muslims, eh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_(845)
979314 No.14552822
Excited to be scottish and put the English dogs under my rule
864003 No.14552825
>>14552819
The anti-germanics always, always start first.
979314 No.14552832
>>14552505
Meds cant fight for shit and haven't won a war in almost 1000 god damn years. Northern Europe conquered the world you brown manlet
864003 No.14552841
>>14552832
Meds kick ass for the first 1000 years though.
97847a No.14552854
>>14552832
>destroy Rome
>throw Europe a thousand years back in the process
>proceed to slowly pick up the pieces and LARP as Romans, idolising the very civilization they destroyed
8eb61a No.14552861
>>14552832
>and haven't won a war in almost 1000 god damn years
Neither have the Scottish, but that is neither here nor there.
>Northern Europe conquered the world you brown manlet
And Southern Europe did it before them, twice. I fail to see your point, unless you're a yid trying to make people argue against each other over meaningless bullshit and petty trivialities.
65477e No.14552868
>>14552854
>throw Europe a thousand years back in the process
Rome was doing that you fucking mong.
97847a No.14552874
>>14552868
>Rome was returning itself to tribal society
864003 No.14552875
>>14552874
Worse, it descends itself into absolute degeneracy and dependency on germanic federati.
8eb61a No.14552878
>>14552868
No, it wasn't you fucking idiot. In fact, Rome was motivating the rest of Europe to get their shit together unless they wanted to be crushed under their rape machine. Cesar himself noted that the Gauls were learning from the Romans and coming up with better and better ways to fight them off.
>>14552875
After centuries of almost uninterrupted glory and conquest. Yeah, societies decay and eventually fall apart, but it's on the conquering barbarians for not picking up the torch and continuing where Rome left off. Instead they decided to smash the empire and proceed to kill each other for the next 1000 years.
97847a No.14552883
>>14552875
>a nation is corrupt
<let's utterly destroy everything it ever achieved
At last, I finally see. Germany belongs to muslims – they shall sweep the corrupt Merkel regime away, estabilish a caliphate, and a few centuries down the line, might even have some kind of renaissance
979314 No.14552885
>>14552861
>southern Europe conquered the world
No they didn't they conquered the med and failed to conquer much else. Northern Europe's empires dwarfed Rome in size and pretty much every other standarded. They level of technological innovation we have as compared to Roman boy fucking savages makes northern Europe almost god like compared to smelly meds
864003 No.14552886
>>14552878
The various "barbarians" expand themselves far and wide compared to the romans.
864003 No.14552888
>>14552883
Rome has been sacked like 4 or 5 times, but it wasn't absolutely destroyed.
In fact, the italians were the richest states in Medieval era.
65477e No.14552889
>>14552874
No, that would have been good.
>>14552878
>Rome was killing Europeans, destroying their culture, religion and race mixing with africans
>this is a good thing
864003 No.14552896
God, another thread fails into Yurop D&C.
Then again, it's fitting for a series where you literally play Yurop D&C.
979314 No.14552897
>>14552854
Rome was completely worthless bullshit when it was destroyed and needed it.
>throw Europe a thousand years back
Oh no we didn't have the amazing technological innovation of the aquaduct. Surely the aquaduct was a more grand accomplishment then the computer you are typing these messages on.
97847a No.14552899
>>14552888
>the italians were the richest states in Medieval era
thanks to Roman leftovers, such as their roads, not thanks to barbarian enrichment
864003 No.14552906
>>14552899
I think it's mostly because of trade and the face the italians enjoyed protections by the lombard league (germanics) and HRE (germans).
97847a No.14552908
>>14552897
Had Rome survived and got its shit together, we might have had computers back in the 13th century
979314 No.14552915
>>14552659
>Anglo saxons
>marries prince to African for trade agreement
No thanks
e6a4ae No.14552917
>>14552888
That was due to banking and trade tho'. Take away the Venetian and Genoan trade and you've lost a large amount of production of finished goods in Italy (Venetian glass, Milanese cloth). Take away the banking clans of Florence and Pisa and then you've lost the ability for safer trade and less credit, with less credit also comes lost growth. I mean shit just look at Naples during the time, it was a fucking shit hole due to not having the trade or banking system of northern Italy.
864003 No.14552919
>>14552908
It's complete bullshit.
The romans have never invented or used water mill or even wind mill for examples, slave labor means they get to be super lazy.
>>14552911
Yes, stupid trinkets mean the Norwegian crusade didn't happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Crusade
>After entering the Mediterranean (Griklands hafi) they sailed along the coast of the land of the Saracens (Serkland) to the Balearic Islands. The Balearics were at the time perceived by Christians to be nothing more than a pirate haven and slaving center. The Norwegian raids are also the first recorded Christian attacks on the Islamic Balearic Islands (though smaller attacks certainly had occurred).[3]
>The first place they arrived at was Formentera, where they encountered a great number of Blåmenn (Blue or black men) and Serkir (Saracens)[3] who had taken up their dwelling in a cave. The course of the fight is the most detailed of the entire crusade through written sources, and might possibly be the most notable historic event in the small island's history.[3] After this battle, the Norwegians supposedly acquired the greatest treasures they had ever acquired.
65477e No.14552920
>>14552908
Most of it did you retard. And we got nothing for it, because Rome was 100% degenerate.
979314 No.14552924
>>14552908
R-rome w-would have done it! J-just needed time!
The eastern Roman empire survived up until the fourth crusade and didn't do shit in that time.
864003 No.14552926
>>14552917
I don't see how that goes anything I said, in fact, it means the barbarians preserved Rome better than the muslims did (Southern Italy).
97847a No.14552931
>>14552920
>implying all of modern law isn't based on Roman law
>implying most of european philosophy doesn't stem from Roman and Greek thought
>implying their architecture didn't prove a guiding inspiration thousands of years afterwards
979314 No.14552934
>>14552515
If we don't have a cheddar man option for saxon kingdoms I'm filing charges for hate speech
87b149 No.14552936
>>14552908
>>14552854
Commit fucking suicide, retard. Reported.
864003 No.14552938
>>14552931
Modern law is based on Common law which is more of a medieval law tbh.
Philosophy I give you.
Architecture wise, gothic > roman and greek columns.
864003 No.14552939
>>14552936
Oh right no source.
65477e No.14552940
>>14552931
Modern law is pure kikery. The real law we had before the industrial revolution was European, not Roman.
The Romans do not get credit for the works of Greeks.
Their architecture was copied once for a brief period and nobody cared or cares.
e6a4ae No.14552941
>>14552926
I'm saying that the advancement of northern Italy as a cultural and economic powerhouse was because of inventions and other reasons which weren't around during Rome. The fact that the land on which these states were on was the same as Rome doesn't mean that they were rich because they're were formerly Rome.
97847a No.14552945
>>14552936
>literal tribal savages destroying a developed civilization had no impact on science, goddammit, stop triggering me, MOOOOODS!!!!
864003 No.14552949
>>14552945
Like jesus christ, people actually believe the celt/germanics were "tribal savages".
Goddamn celts had cities, CITIES.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandberg_(Celtic_settlement)
c8939c No.14552953
>>14552934
we need the true vikangs dlc as well.
65477e No.14552954
>>14552945
Rome was the one that caused their own collapse, and the ensuing dark ages. Europeans did not want a jew religion pushed on them. They did not want multiculturalism, feminism and hedonism. That was entirely Rome.
979314 No.14552956
The supply line option and troop recruitment look like improvements
864003 No.14552957
>>14552954
Too bad the death of Rome spread the mind virus of Christianity.
8eb61a No.14552965
>shitting on Rome and Greece and all they accomplished and gave us
I take it back, Romans should have exterminated every single human in Britain and Scandinavia.
97847a No.14552967
>>14552949
Now hold on, I never said anything bad about the Celts. Celts were much, much further ahead from the germanic barbarians
>>14552954
Except the europeans who were under Rome eagerly adopted christianity, as did the barbarians who destroyed it. Must suck to idolise the very people who later decided they preffer Jesus over Thorand Odin
5aaaf6 No.14552973
>>14552936
that graph is fedora tipping bullshit, huge epidemics destoyed societies, and some old knowledge was lost (like concrete), but people have always pushed forward, there's counterproductive shit going on in all ages, like feminism, or climatehoax now
a1b759 No.14552975
>>14552963
I hear air soft pellets kinda hurt.
65477e No.14552977
>>14552965
>shitting on Greece by mentioning them in the same sentence as Rome
Kill yourself Schlomo
>Except the europeans who were under Rome eagerly adopted christianity,
"We will kill you if you don't adopt our kike worshiping and feminism!" sounds pretty eager alright Chaim.
864003 No.14552981
>>14552967
Yep, we were the same as mudhut nigger my nigga.
Kill yourself you D&C fuck.
864003 No.14552985
>>14552965
As if they could…
97847a No.14552987
>>14552977
>christians repressed and killed for centuries, does nothing to deter them, their religion keeps spreading
>Constantine converts
>now that the shoe is on the other foot, paganry proves absolutely incapable of resisting
>germanic conquerors who later come and destroy Rome, and have nobody threatening them, decide to convert to Christianity anyway, of their own will
864003 No.14552990
>>14552987
>paganry proves absolutely incapable of resisting
Christianity converts by deceit, by adopting heathen gods and idols and call them your own.
97847a No.14552995
>>14552981
>everything is D&C
are you some kinda globalist that you can't stand the idea of one culture shitting on another or something? Learn to handle the banter or fuck off back to your hugbox.
881b10 No.14552996
>>14552987
>repressed and killed for centuries
There's actually next to no historical evidence for this beyond a few Emperors issuing edicts over it. Most of the "oy vey we were devoured by lions and slaughtered in the thousands" is likely exaggeration or outright fabrication after the Christians took control of the Empire
a9da1f No.14553004
>>14552494
yeah but as the posts you're replying to clearly stated most pitched battles vs vikings the vikings got their shit pushed in. They werent amazing warriors, just notorious ones. Like modern day Somalian pirates
979314 No.14553010
We need a new politics board so this sort of thing will stop flooding every board
97847a No.14553016
>>14552996
Trajan, for example, would kill christians for being christians, as did others, whereas other religions were relatively free to do their own thing. It's also not true that pagans were mass-murdered by Roman emperors the moment Constantine converted – emperor Julian was a pagan, and reigned in the second half of the fourth century, after all
a73c40 No.14553066
>tbh
>looks better and better as it goes on
LITERALLY NO GAMEPLAY HAS BEEN RELEASED, THIS IS A SHILL POST
>I am sorta happy they delay it since they might touch up a bit more
>I'm happy that they fucked development and are now rushing to fix all their fuckups in the standard way CA does
>implying they're going to "touch it up a bit more" and not desperately trying to fix endemic flaws which will still make their way into the release version of the game
>the speaking character has an old norse accent
>the random English locals have modern English accents
Fuck off with this trash.
>still the same terrible wall mechanics that cause unit errors and slowdown
>the fights are just people paring off in mocaped animations
>even fucking med 2 didn't manage to be this shit
FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT CA IS INCAPABLE OF FIXING THEIR TERRIBLE ENGINE BECAUSE ALL OF THEIR REAL TALENT HAS BEEN REPLACED BY UNIVERSITY DIVERSITY HIRES
FRIENDLY REMINDER MED 2 WITH STAINLESS STEEL IS THE ONLY CORRECT WAY TO PLAY A TW GAME
a73c40 No.14553070
>>14553020
Fuck off pedo we know you're part of the pedo club that got booted off the site and are now trying to take it down because you're so fucking pathetic and immature.
Your sick fetish will never become popular or normalized.
65477e No.14553071
>>14552987
>jews said jews were poor oppressed victims
>but it is totally true this time you goys!
a73c40 No.14553077
>>14552987
>germanic conquerors who later come and destroy Rome, and have nobody threatening them, decide to convert to Christianity anyway, of their own will
Imagine being so uneducated that you un-ironically think this is true.
Americans are really treading new ground in historical revisionism.
a73c40 No.14553091
>>14553080
>be leftypol
>get btfo
>the end
Nobody even needs to mock leftypol, all you have to do is go on their dogshit board and it speaks for itself.
864003 No.14553110
>>14553004
Somalian pirates are not comparable to vikings since vikings manage to actual conquer shit.
864003 No.14553115
>>14553066
There are beta gameplay videos, Chaim, you can go hook yourself.
e6a4ae No.14553126
>>14553115
>beta gameplay
Remember Rome 2's "super early alpha" gameplay? Yeah don't trust that shit.
70300b No.14553216
This thread is an absolute shitshow.
fd8e5a No.14553336
>>14553216
This is what happens when OP is a shill.
fd8e5a No.14553421
>>14553375
>implying anons would avoid a chance to shitpost
Also it wasn't really politics, more like history shitposting.
87b149 No.14553447
>>14552945
>I know literally nothing about history
Reported.
87b149 No.14553450
>>14552952
>EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IS OBJECTIVELY WRONG
>WE SHOULD KILL EVERYONE WHO IS RIGHT BECAUSE THEY HURT MY FEELINGS
Cry harder, leftypol.
7fff56 No.14553454
>>14553077
>>14552990
>>14553071
Are you idiots just parroting whatever you just heard on /pol/ this week or do you honestly think that the Germanic barbarians converting is just clear cut "juden" subversion and not something political and cultural in nature?
65477e No.14553486
>>14553454
Jewish subversion is political and cultural in nature. It took centuries and dozens of crusades to subjugate and convert Europe you knob. If the pope declaring "kill all the white people for not worshipping jews" isn't jewish subversion in your mind, then you are a waste of sperm.
8d626e No.14553513
Man, it sucks how now I cannot get excited for a single video game… They ballsed up with Empire, but Shogun 2 was kind of a step in the right direction. The engine left a lot to be desired and the map variety wasn't amazing for the battles, but it was at least a decent game.
There's been other studios that disappoint but Medieval Total War Viking Invasion and Medieval 2 Total War were my favourites in the series, mainly because of the setting.
Glad I didn't buy into the hype or Kickstarter of Kingdom Come, but it still sucks that it's the most significant Medieval based game that's come out since the Total War games (not counting M&B because of the fictional setting).
294234 No.14553565
>>14553513
>but Shogun 2 was kind of a step in the right direction.
No, it wasn't. TW died the moment they made it impossible to mod the map. Imagine mods like EB or Roma Surrectum with vanilla map. Literally unplayable.
fd8e5a No.14553783
>>14553565
It pains me to see developers cut down on modding features game after game. I bet part of the reason was mods based on popular IPs like Third Age TW or Call of Warhammer. And that's ignoring how dumbed down the games after Shogun 2 are. Hell, even Shogun 2 itself massively simplified things like the trait system and general stats. I wonder if mods could've introduced complexity back into the game. We'll never know.
Have some pics from my ERE campaign in SS.
23038a No.14553819
>play Medieval 2 Stainless Steel campaign
>always pick nations with most developed gunpowder weapons because muh pike and shot gets my dick hard
>always get bored with campaign before gunpowder triggers
77a0ef No.14553927
>>14552483
>what were the Varangians?
8db89d No.14554041
>>14553375
>just ignore it
Go die you piece of shit
bcfd32 No.14554175
>>14553783
>the trait system
The trait system is fucking awful though.
>send a good, honest general who cares about the people and their wellbeing to oversee a town and get that sweet population boost
>come back 8 turns later
>he's now a corrupt, disloyal hedonist who 'feels unappreciated'
I do agree with the rest of your post, though. Just imagine how good Third Age: Shogun 2 Edition would be. Hell, a Warhammer mod for Shogun 2 would make the entire TotalWAWA franchise obsolete.
c21669 No.14554201
>>14552832
Are you really forgetting about all the wars the spaniards won against the french, brits, turks and HRE?
c21669 No.14554265
>>14553486
>christianism is jew subversion
>despite the fact christians killed and persecuted jews many times for their kikery
Could you absolute retards stop pretending you have any idea of what youre talking about?
4b8a99 No.14554290
I just wanted to shit on snowniggers.
8f151a No.14554368
>this thread
It’s like I’m really on Halfchan /pol/
4cdf38 No.14554420
how is the 30 years old war mod for medieval 2, i am looking for a game whit pike and shot tactics
>>14554368
well, total war games are for braindead people because they are about watching tiny people fight, there is barely any strategy on it.
864003 No.14554613
>>14553126
So just wait for it to come out then.
5eb1bd No.14554636
>>14554368
Go back there then.
5eb1bd No.14554643
>>14554265
Christianity is a wide concept there are any number of denominations with degrees of jewish control.
806a6a No.14554655
>>14554420
That pic seems fake as fuck.
c21669 No.14554669
>>14554643
Oh, so mixing it all up, through centuries of history and also mashing up centuries of roman history while speaking straight out of your ass makes it ok then.
fd8e5a No.14554676
>>14554175
Stop building brothels and the like in every town anon. Those give horrible traits if your generals spend too much time in them. Build them in cities that aren't as wealthy and so don't benefit as much from good governance.
See, I like that the trait system made you think about that sort of thing. If a castle has an armorer I can send battle generals in there for a chance at custom armour. For a chivalry boost I can build churches and train priests. High taxation and building markets leads to administrators which are good taxmen and traders, respectively. The trait system gave a lot of customizability, but you had to do things related to what you want to make best use of it.
I will agree that it wasn't perfect. Secret Love for princesses for example is an unavoidable chance for -1 charm every turn. And whoever she marries becomes a cuckold. It's awful. The battle chivalry and dread traits were also kind of random, but I ended up sending generals into battle and designating them as warriors or administrators according to which trait they got. If you embrace the roleplay aspects it's actually kind of fun. The game is easy anyway so minmaxing traits is far from required, except maybe on VH/VH.
5eb1bd No.14554687
>>14554669
Not even close to what I said.
a15e03 No.14561199
>>14554368
/v/ and /pol/ have been brother boards since the first exodus you newfag.
dc4c24 No.14561471
>>14552832
>meds can't fight for shit
>claims brits can
TOP KEK
6030c0 No.14561966
I hate retards, who only know about history "DuDE ROME SUPER AWESOME EMPIRE", but are completly oblivious to the fact that it declined in all aspects of human development and became a living hell for its citizens.
Rome was so fucked up, they even reverted back to a barter system for a time. They abolished currency.
They completly destroyed their private educational network of teachers by a radical iconoclastic christian cult.
How you can be so utterly retarded to somehow blame Germans for the downfall of the Roman Empire is beyond me. They barely had any govermental presence anymore.
They were so retarded in the end. The legally implemented feudalism (professions couldn't freely chosen, you had to take up the job of your tather). They stopped nearly paying for any govermental service. They basically stopped functioning.
All the nobles, who didn't want to have all their property stolen from them fled to the land and built insular communities, which were the founding stones for the agricultural feudal communities in Europe.
But these utter fucking retards in this thread only see their ebin Roman Empire, they would love to recreate in Europea Universalis 4, which has been taken from them by Germans.
The entire military of the Roman Empire were Germans. It wasn't Romans vs Germans, it was Germans vs Germans.
And that is after it was already taken over by the Goths, who are also Germans, who pondered if they were to found their own Gothic Empire or keep up the pretense of that Roman Empire.
The Roman Empire used to be awesome, because their soldiers were high quality middle-class citizens, who were also builders. That has long passed. There were no native Romans in the legions anymore. They rather cut off the fingers of their children, then sent them to the Legion. At least most of them.
The Roman Empire at its endpoint was a corruption of what it once was. Everything you fags like about the Roman Empire wasn't present anymore, when it fucking died.
But you are so retarded that you just worhsip the concept of the Roman Empire and look like a soyboy with their open mouth, when you get to reform it in your video game, rather than comprehending what made it great.
None of you know anything about history.
6030c0 No.14561972
>>14561966
to add to that:
>Every single contemporary historian or vip of that time, who witnessed the fall of the Roman Empire, saw that as a positive development.
Not a single tear was shed for the Empire. By that time it was only a formality to offically end it.
877b94 No.14562079
>>14552462
Complete bollocks. Danish heavy infantry were among the most professional soldiers of their time and highly prized as mercenaries. Varangian guards for example often turned the tide of battle after the native, regular troops already fled the field.
6030c0 No.14562129
>>14562079
Empires who heavily rely on mercenaries are trash tier.
Empires who pay tribute to enemies rather than engage them in war are complete trash tier.
The Byzantine Empire did both.
aad478 No.14562145
>>14561966
Germans were the deathknell, but only in the west. Not sure why I'm posting this, you probably know more than I do.
aad478 No.14562151
>>14562129
So did the persian empire, but those actions haven't been attributed to its fall.
dc4c24 No.14562163
>>14561966
All empires decline numbnuts. But at their peak some were leagues ahead of others. The roman empire was among the very best our planet has ever known.
6030c0 No.14562171
>>14562163
I am not disputing that. I am just mad at the faggots, who just worhship the Roman name, but not the qualities that make Rome great.
Rome never surrenders. They rather made engaged in Total War in Ancient Times, more than a millenia before the concept was even invented, and instead of surrendering like every other civilization would do after their leaders are killed and their entire army killed or routed, they just formed new Legions and elected new consuls and went on the attack.
They weren't sailors at all. But they reverse-engineered a stranded ship from Carthago, put a fucking ram on it, because that's ramming ships directly rather than just using arrows from afar sounded much more Roman.
They built so many freaking ships, which coupled with their limited experience, resulted in one of the greatest naval disaster in ALL of human history, when they all drowned in a storm.. The only ones close to that level of casualities happened more than a thousand years after that.
6030c0 No.14562181
>>14562145
Not really. They were already given control of the local goverments in some regions. They were the Roman Empire. And I already mentioned how the Roman Legions were practically all foregin, mostly German.
This all happened years before the offical end of the Roman Empire.
If anything Germans were the lifeforce that kept the concept of the Roman Empire alive. It would have completly collapsed and failed way before that, if they didn't use German manpower and didn't appease German hordes by letting them settle on their land.
The Romans were extreme cucks in the end. They allowed the Germans to completly retain their own structures, which led to de facto parallel socities. The maps of that time all lie. Functionally the Roman Empire didn't control any of that territory.
aad478 No.14562183
>>14562181
Then what happened when Rome pulled out of the frontier territories, if all of them were natives anyway?
6030c0 No.14562194
>>14562183
For the average person nothing changed. Lots of institutions survived. Even the Roman Senate, even though the Senate hasn't meant much for hundreds of years.
aad478 No.14562205
>>14562194
Okay so what happened between the overthrow of Romulus in 476 and, say, year 800 for Rome to completely disappear from memory and be replaced with a myth about giant architects?
013bea No.14562206
This threads is about video games right?
6030c0 No.14562221
>>14562205
Do you know why they call it the dark ages?
It's because barely anyone from that period wrote anything down. That's why we know so little of it.
But hey Justinian going all Reconquista was kinda cool.
Basically the Eastern Roman Empire striked back and reconquered Italy and a tiny part of Spain.
But then a plague came and wiped out so many people that the Eastern Roman Empire had less people than before the conquest. Also the Muslims appeared from the first time in history and cut all of western Europe off from the silk and other trade routes. And they conqured extremely important places like Egypt, which was a grain producing powerhouse and one of the few important regions that actually produced enough food for itself + a big surplus.
Also the Muslims transformed North Africa with their goat fuckery from a tiny strip of extremely fertile land to just an area to herd goats.
This coupled with extremely crippling muslim piracy, which continued for so long that even the United States came in contact with muslim pirates from the barbary States. They also took millions of European Christian slaves.
All this fucked the West up extremely bad.
877b94 No.14562228
>>14562129
>>14562151
Is there one Empire in antiquity/middle ages that didn't use mercenaries?
aad478 No.14562239
>>14562228
The greek city states didn't use mercs as far as I know. But those weren't empires. Once a state became an empire, I think mercs were pretty inevitable.
8eb61a No.14562243
>>14562171
>they just formed new Legions and elected new consuls and went on the attack
Pretty much. You have that story about the Battle of Cannae where Hannibal slaughters upward of 60,000 Roman soldiers by surrounding them, many dying because they couldn't breathe, so tightly were they packed together, and the Roman citizens just go out to the battlefield, collect the dead, strip them of their armor and weapons, bury them and equip new legions with their equipment.
You don't really see that anywhere else in the ancient world, let alone in the middle ages. You have to go right up to the birth of nationalism to see a people recover from such proportionally horrific losses and just keep going, and bounce back when it happens three or four times afterwards as well.
>put a fucking ram on it
That's wrong. In that era the primary weapon of a ship was the ram and had been for centuries. What the Romans did equip their ships with was the Corvus, which was a boarding bridge with a bigass spike at one end so they could engage in "land" battles at sea.
>>14562181
>And I already mentioned how the Roman Legions were practically all foregin, mostly German.
Barbarian troops were the death of the Empire, because they had no loyalty to Rome, but to their general/chieftain/king and constantly tried to put him on the throne as emperor. And yes, this was a constant problem in Roman history, but by the 5th century it had reached critical levels. What basically killed Rome was a flood of "refugees" that proceeded to erode stability and loyalty to the state from within. The Germanics were a cancer because they refused to romanize and constantly chimped out.
8db89d No.14562270
>>14562243
>The Germanics were a cancer because they refused to romanize and constantly chimped out.
>be so weak you get BTFO by a few germanic tribes
>waaaaaaa why did you do that
Start crying more little roman bitchboi im going to plunder your city because youre a weak bitch
6030c0 No.14562282
>>14562243
>You don't really see that anywhere else in the ancient world, let alone in the middle ages. You have to go right up to the birth of nationalism to see a people recover from such proportionally horrific losses and just keep going, and bounce back when it happens three or four times afterwards as well.
That is what fascinates me with the Romans. And it was an aristocratic sentiment. The Women and the average pleb wanted to make peace, but it was that upperclass Romanness that prohibited that.
>That's wrong. In that era the primary weapon of a ship was the ram and had been for centuries. What the Romans did equip their ships with was the Corvus, which was a boarding bridge with a bigass spike at one end so they could engage in "land" battles at sea.
Ah, I see. I even recalled something like that, but I didn't pay much attention to detail in my post. Thanks for the correction.
>Barbarian troops were the death of the Empire, because they had no loyalty to Rome, but to their general/chieftain/king and constantly tried to put him on the throne as emperor.
Not quite correct. If you use that argument, then Rome was killed years ago, because their soldiers weren't from the property-owning middle-class anymore, who had a vested interest in preserving law and freedom in Rome. The poor, uneducated soldiers who instead served in the Legions only had loyality to the General, who promised them Land and a share of the loot, but with no loyality to the state itself.
If anything the Germans compared to these new soldiers were a lot better. They weren't part of any political faction and just wanted to get paid.
>The Germanics were a cancer because they refused to romanize and constantly chimped out.
That's kinda ridiculous to say. You can't just blame the Germans morally for something, for the complete lack of incentives and and forces that would push them to romanize.
It's their own policy that bit them in the ass and not any kind of radical refusal of the German population to assimilate.
Also you forget that Rome was christanized. They didn't care much about "romanizing anymore". They were Christians now.
> What basically killed Rome was a flood of "refugees" that proceeded to erode stability and loyalty to the state from within.
What killed Rome was proto-Socialism and its economic and moral effects on the Roman society, coupled with the near-complete destruction of their upper class and the adoption of christianity as the state religion and the resulting radical Iconoclasm and Oppression that swept over the country.
It should be a warning sign for anyone, when they read about how Rome went back to a barter system, because their fucked up their currency by devaluing it. What happened after that is soviet-union tier of economic mismanagement. First price fixes. And then binding people literally to their profession, including their kids, because surprise, they didn't want to do jobs that didn't pay well.
8eb61a No.14562311
>>14562282
>then Rome was killed years ago
It was dead by the time Cesar crossed the Rubicon. Rome basically legislated its own destruction, it just took another 400 years for the consequences to catch up to them.
>because their soldiers weren't from the property-owning middle-class anymore, who had a vested interest in preserving law and freedom in Rome
A necessity, really. Marian saw the need for a professional military, instead of the Greek model of a citizen militia. Sadly, Rome still lacked the intellectual framework of nationalism as we understand it today that motivates the lower class to fight for their nation and culture.
>They weren't part of any political faction and just wanted to get paid.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. A big problem with the barbarians is that they fought like barbarians, to the point border armies couldn't even be recognized as Roman legions, except called such on paper and paid by the states. Really, they were more mercenaries than proper soldiers.
>It's their own policy that bit them in the ass
That's true. Rome by then had extremely weak rulers, or at least rulers that were unable to govern properly because of corruption and social decay, and weren't willing to enforce requirements for Roman citizenship. What really makes me mad is that they just granted the barbarians citizenship without requesting anything of them.
>They didn't care much about "romanizing anymore". They were Christians now.
Which is kind of weird, considering that Christianity would have encouraged wider cultural (or at least religious) homogeneity.
>and the adoption of christianity as the state religion and the resulting radical Iconoclasm and Oppression that swept over the country.
Enforcing a state religion was the right call after the shitshows Rome had lived through beforehand, they just choose the wrong religion.
>It should be a warning sign for anyone, when they read about how Rome went back to a barter system, because their fucked up their currency by devaluing it. What happened after that is soviet-union tier of economic mismanagement
To be fair they fucked themselves over because the ruling classes consistently refused to give up on slave labor, which in turn fucked the "middle class", which in turn created a poorly motivated population that had no wish to take up arms for Rome, which then led to the need of getting more and more non-Romans into the Roman army.
Also, their dependence on slavery (in certain vital sectors) meant they had to constantly expand to seek new sources of slaves to fuel their economy. The Gracchi saw this, too bad they pissed off too many people before their reforms could be put into action.
6030c0 No.14562375
>>14562311
>A necessity, really. Marian saw the need for a professional military, instead of the Greek model of a citizen militia. Sadly, Rome still lacked the intellectual framework of nationalism as we understand it today that motivates the lower class to fight for their nation and culture.
Sure, it was a quick and easy fix. I agree that it made sense in the context. But like always a quick fix turned into the status quo and the basic foundational problems never got fixed. What needed to happen was economical freedom and some kind of mechanism that allowed for citizens to buy up land and not just it being practically given away to the rich Elite and leave nothng to the rest.
>We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. A big problem with the barbarians is that they fought like barbarians, to the point border armies couldn't even be recognized as Roman legions, except called such on paper and paid by the states. Really, they were more mercenaries than proper soldiers.
It's interesting that you disagree with me there, because you defended ther previous point almost like you were Marius himself. So from the perspective of the practical perspective of the time.
And when we view the German mercenaries through the same lens, then yes, it totally made sense to use them. Their were reliable troops, who were untouched by political intrigue. A quick and easy fix. At that point it would have been very difficult to somehow transform Rome into a society again, which could have completly relied on only completly assimilated Romans for manpower.
>That's true. Rome by then had extremely weak rulers, or at least rulers that were unable to govern properly because of corruption and social decay, and weren't willing to enforce requirements for Roman citizenship. What really makes me mad is that they just granted the barbarians citizenship without requesting anything of them.
You know what's funny? Roman Citizenship used to be very highly sought after. Wars were fought in Italy, because the non-Roman italians wanted citizenship so bad.
And then years later in an unceremonial decree suddenly everyone inside the border were made citizens. I don't quite recall why, but it was probably for taxes or because it made them eligeble for military service.
>Which is kind of weird, considering that Christianity would have encouraged wider cultural (or at least religious) homogeneity.
It took hundreds of years for all the rural communities to slowly become christian. There was even evidence for the area of historical Sparta to still have pagans in the Byzantine Empire, which basically went turbo-chrisitan mode. The urban - rural divide on religion was so big, that pagan basically synonymous with rural.
>Enforcing a state religion was the right call after the shitshows Rome had lived through beforehand, they just choose the wrong religion.
Imagine if communist sjws were given complete control over your education and decided to deconstruct historical monumnents, rename them. Basically declare an open war for your history.
Luckily it calmed down after a few hundred years, but still. What makes me feel the most about this, is that it's happening right now too. Cultural Marxism is basically an iconoclast religion of the worst kind.
>To be fair they fucked themselves over because the ruling classes consistently refused to give up on slave labor, which in turn fucked the "middle class", which in turn created a poorly motivated population that had no wish to take up arms for Rome, which then led to the need of getting more and more non-Romans into the Roman army.
Which is basically how most other Empires of the time operated. They were basically agricultral slave Empires, who only were possible, because human livestock in fertile regions created a surplus profit.
>The Gracchi saw this, too bad they pissed off too many people before their reforms could be put into action.
They did nothing wrong. Their land reform might have saved the Roman Empire. The Elite aquired so much land through corruption. There was not much left for the others.
7b27c7 No.14562411
>>14552820
>Sack of Paris
Lol, they besieged an undefended city, then ran away when the French king came marching back with an army half the size of the Vikings.
Vikings=Vicucks.
e26b97 No.14562423
>>14562411
That's not what happened.
>The Vikings arrived in Paris on Easter Sunday, 29 March,[8] entered the city and plundered it.[5][8] During the siege, a plague broke out in their camp. The Norse had been exposed to the Christian religion, and after first praying to the Norse gods, they undertook a fast, acting on the advice of one of their Christian prisoners, and the plague subsided.[10] The French could not assemble any effective defence against the invaders,[5] and the Vikings withdrew only after being paid a ransom of 7,000 livres (French pounds) of silver and gold by Charles the Bald,[9] amounting to approximately 2,570 kilograms (5,670 lb).[11] Considering Ragnar's earlier loss of land to Charles, the substantial payment may also have been regarded as some form of compensation to Ragnar, and the invasion itself as an act of revenge.[9] This was the first of a total of thirteen payments of so-called Danegeld to Viking raiders by the French[1] (the term is not expressly known to have been used at this point).[12] While agreeing to withdraw from Paris, Ragnar pillaged several sites along the coast on the return voyage, including the Abbey of Saint Bertin.[8]
881b10 No.14562438
>>14562183
nothing for the average person, just governors and local military commanders became nobility instead, but the level of independence was about the same
6030c0 No.14562442
>>14562423
As I said. Empires who pay tribute for the enemy to go away are degenerate trash-tier.
5491bc No.14562474
>>14561966
>he thinks constant raids and migration didnt contribute to the fact they were so fucked up
6030c0 No.14562485
>>14562474
reread history
all of it
Then you might come back and maybe discuss history with me.
5491bc No.14562513
>>14562485
Kill yourself pretentious faggot. You know shit about history. It just shows you know nothing about romans from your retarded post which doesnt take things which lead to that point into account.
6030c0 No.14562516
@14562513
I thought the average anon on 8chan might still be able to detect an obvious joke.
I guess you don't play a lot of Mount & Blade PooP either?
37562f No.14562639
>>14554655
Especially considering you don't lose molar teeth.
e26b97 No.14562669
>>14562442
Hey, that's the french for you.
0fb12a No.14562679
>>14562639
>>>you don't lose molar teeth
37562f No.14562703
>>14562679
Well I'm really hoping the parents weren't yanking teeth from their own 9 yo's just to stick in those things.
b55940 No.14562733
>>14552462
>>14552486
How are those mud huts and stick spears working out for you, Tkembe? also how's the AIDS, ebola, malaria, starvation, etc?
0fb12a No.14562744
>>14562703
>doesn't volunteer as a school bus driver
>doesn't couch little league
>doesn't do choir practice on sundays
I'm saddened by your life choices. Are you a bad person or something?
37562f No.14562761
>>14562744
Bad enough to fuck your mum tbh.
37562f No.14563314
>>14562797
All of them at once while filming the scene for a tidy profit.
affc8a No.14563711
>>14553565
> the moment they made it impossible to mod the map
well its a good thing you can mod the map in shogun 2
6030c0 No.14563744
>>14563711
I think he meant the campaign map.
affc8a No.14563765
>>14563744
that's what i mean, there's campaign map mods
6030c0 No.14563795
>>14563765
I haven't seen a single mod that changes the campaign map in a fundamental way.
Making a lotr mod for TW Warhammer is functionally impossigble, because it's so difficutl to mod it.
affc8a No.14563834
>>14563795
total warhammer has more limited modding but shogun 2 you can edit the map and do model imports for the units
6030c0 No.14564060
>>14563834
Show me the warhammer map mods, Grace. Or you bum.
c21669 No.14564075
>>14562221
Its really fucking depressing to know that the middle east was lost to muslims because the romans and persians would never, ever, under any circumstance stop figthing, that and massive plagues.
The future was looking so bright after justinian.
62d1b0 No.14564162
Medieval: Total War's historical campaigns are great.
>100 Years War between French/English
>That siege battle with Joan of Arc
930fd4 No.14568768
>>14562669
Has France ever actually done something good for Europe?
fa035e No.14568823
>>14564060
i mean for shogun 2 you nutbar
1643cc No.14568979
>>14563795
Morning Sun adds like half of Asia into the game.
f60ed3 No.14569057
>>14553447
>reporting a report
>Lacking a rebuttal
Rome created an Empire that sustained itself for a millennia.
Not a single civilization comes close.
Shitting on Rome because it introduces some truths that you dislike about your 10% German heritage is the thinking of someone less then 18.
f60ed3 No.14569069
>>14562311
>It was dead by the time Cesar crossed the Rubicon. Rome basically legislated its own destruction, it just took another 400 years for the consequences to catch up to them.
This convinces me you read a wiki summary of Roman history.
No way someone who is learned about Rome would make this claim.
Suicide is an option you should strong consider.
5670a3 No.14570079
Well this is certainly a great thread.
That said, the problems that Attila had are readily apparent in the gameplay footage of Britannia. They also ripped out major parts of the series for no apparent reason - No ambushes anymore, no recruitment cap, no agents and others.
eac158 No.14570086
>shilling for CA
go fuck yourself faggot, this looks nothing more than a reskin so they can milk faggots like you until they release another pile of shit and you'll be begging for more after that.
5670a3 No.14570087
>>14568979
I bet the map looks just grand when made by some autistic basement weebs instead of real people with real tools.
b6a924 No.14574593
>>14570086
>everything I don't like is shilling
Nice meme bro.
12a657 No.14577394
>>14552408
>Tbh, Throne of Britannia looks better and better as it goes on.
It's still Warscape, right?
294234 No.14577696
>>14568979
Looks like shit tbh.
It's a shame they dropped the Rome/Medieval 2 style of map in later titles. Roma Surrectum still has the best looking map.
c1f414 No.14577829
>>14577696
See this is something I'll never understand. They decided to put so much fucking effort into "art" design in the newer campaign maps not to mention the games in general and forgot the fact doing that completely trashes performance. I can barely get Attila to run past 40 FPS on the campaign map even though I'm able to run at 60 FPS in the battles. It's an absolutely retarded way of thinking. Considering you're probably spending anywhere from 40-60 percent of the time looking at the fucking campaign map it would make sense to make it optimized without having to turn down graphical options so much it begins to look worse than Shogun 2's overworld.
It reminds me of Paradox adding India to CKII and not fucking noticing (or caring) that it tanked performance so much to the point the fucking game was nearly unplayable for months.
Never fucking let more than 20% of a development team be art team or you end up with CA's dumb fuckery.
12a657 No.14578528
>>14577829
>Never fucking let more than 20% of a development team be art team or you end up with CA's dumb fuckery.
That's simply untrue. It's more about the right approach than actual team composition (without extreme shit, at the end of a day you'll need someone who can code etc.).
CA decided to go after dumber crowd and that crowd cares more about visual presentation. It's like dangling keys in the front of a cat - that's what keep the attention, not details. Hence the shitty Warscape engine with its cinematic kills and whatnot - as long as it looks oh so pretty, retards will be pleased. They've cut TW complexity just because of that, you don't want to scare retards away with some mechanics you have to actually learn to understand and master
083dfd No.14578548
>>14578528
>That's simply untrue.
The god damn game still uses fucking god damn Adobe Flash in the loading screens.
f336bf No.14578570
>>14578548
You can find files and entries from Empire floating around in R2. It's not just that Warscape is a bad engine, it's also cluttered with redundant crap all over because CA never clean up their code apparently.
fd8e5a No.14578881
>>14570079
>Attila
Was it good? I was thinking about pirating but it's a pretty hefty download.
>>14570087
>real people with real tools
What did he mean by this?
In any case just look at the campaign maps for any of the big mods for Medieval 2. They look as good or better than the standard Med2 campaign maps. There's no reason to believe modders couldn't do a great job in the later engines if they were provided the same sort of tools they had in the previous games.
>>14574593
Oh fuck off. The last several TW threads have started with OP asking if anyone is
>hype
for the new game. Don't be disingenuous.
294234 No.14579154
>>14578881
>What did he mean by this?
There were map tools created by modders to modify the map, at least for Rome. But even without those tools modifying the map in pre-warscape TW games was easy albeit time consuming.
f336bf No.14579212
>>14578881
I have never seen a good expanded map for Warscape. Sure, you can redraw the borders somewhat but you can't make entirely new maps without it looking like utter shit. Med2 doesn't have that problem but that is a game from back when devs didn't actively work against modders.
1aca64 No.14579218
Thinking of getting FOTS, mainly because it ha shitloads of mods.
a15e03 No.14580206
>>14564060
There aren't any.
6030c0 No.14581635
>>14552408
>no agents at all
>no army traditions anymore for some reason
>no population surplus or any kind populaton mechanic at all
>only the main building in minor settlements is upgradeable
>no garrison at all in minor settlements, just spam generals with no army to take them over
>no ship combat what so ever in a game with vikings
(probably all Total Wars now aren't going to have ship combat, even though Warhammer would have the greatest potential for fun ship combat ever, because of sea creatures and flying creatues being combined with naval units)
175c71 No.14581718
>>14552443
TWW wasn't released then
>>14552505
The Meds as in the Roman peoples whos ancestors are the Germanic peoples
175c71 No.14581852
>>14552915
>Implying Jews are Anglo Saxon
ISYGDDT
5eb1bd No.14587454
>>14581852
Same difference.
7ac4ca No.14587675
Reminder
http://store.steampowered.com/app/404011/Total_War_WARHAMMER__Blood_for_the_Blood_God/
And the shills will tell you this is helping the customer and giving them "more options". The consumer whores will tell you you gotta support the devs because they are the last ones to care about their community. and CA will laugh to the bank while never having any discount sales for their game and charging $35 for a faction with cucks slurping up the overpriced fecal matter
9e23d0 No.14590498
>>14587675
It is to skip rating problem in Germany.
9e23d0 No.14590508
>>14581635
I do not miss the sea battles but other matters, we have to wait and see how it changes the game.
7ac4ca No.14590983
>>14590498
Yes my best ally, they couldnt just remove the blood for the german release like every fucking other dev team in the world does, for free without affecting other countries releases. It must have been so difficult for the devs to slap a price tag on that menu option for everyone else I feel so bad for them. Did you know CA can barely feed their families without this dlc? And how horrible if they didnt overcharge for the faction dlc they wouldn't begin to be able to afford keeping the game going!
294234 No.14590990
>>14590498
Not an argument
e8fd64 No.14590993
>>14590498
Bullshit, why make people pay for it?
97847a No.14591065
>>14590498
Bad excuse. Germany's retarded laws are regularly handled by releasing a german version of the game (for example HoI4 where Hitler is censored). This is just a blatant cashgrab
f27404 No.14591587
>>14591065
Blood would increase the age rating everywhere.
fd8e5a No.14591733
>>14591587
Shut up you stupid nigger. Games have worked around German vidya laws for DECADES by simply removing blood and gore from German releases. Why couldn't CA do the same instead of forcing people who want blood to buy it?
Hint: It's because they're greedy cunts who want to take every last dime from you.
9f486f No.14591757
>>14591733
Which part of "everywhere" do you not understand?
fd8e5a No.14591782
>>14591757
Which part of "in Germany" do YOU not understand? And most importantly why do you believe that cunt when there's decades of evidence otherwise?
2f3b6e No.14594469
>>14591757
>>14591782
Because it would make different versions and let Germany, one of the core TW bases in Europe, feels left out.
93ef35 No.14594496
>>14552408
What's the point? There's literally no reason to play any of the new games until the return to Rome I/Medieval 2 mechanics.
930fd4 No.14597294
>>14594496
The new engine works fine in Total Warhammer you nostalgiafag.
425835 No.14597378
>>14597294
yea but <insert problem present in empire:total war or shogun 2 that's not present in total warhammer>
fd8e5a No.14597465
>>14597294
The engine works better than in Rome 2 (only took them about two games), but cavalry charges still look like shit. And the game is still dumbed down as fuck. Why can't I move armies without a general? Why can't I recruit them without a general either? Why can characters have like 6 ancillaries at the most? Why can you just teleport to quest battles? Why are my units teleporting on and off the walls in siege battles? Why are faggots like you okay with turning TW into casual bullshit? Not that the previous games were hardcore or anything but at least they demanded effort.
2f3b6e No.14599508
>>14597465
TWW is not casual bullshit, it is just based on the tabletop with more RPG mechanics, because it wouldn't be Warhammer otherwise.
93ef35 No.14599536
>>14597294
I was also talking about settlement mechanics you nigger