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f2f022 No.14542733
/sci/ fag here once again. I really like Natural Selection simulators and it's offensive that more games don't simulate it. What are some good examples of games that simulate natural selection? I will be posting my favorites.
263cd8 No.14542767
seems like your thread got "naturally selected" out of view lol
f2f022 No.14542770
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For those who have not played Creatures, it was a pretty successful PC game series in the late 90s/Early 2000nds. You get virtual creatures that have the ability to change through natural selection. Every part of their code from what they ate to their life span to behavior would change. The series had about 4 or 5 games if I remember correctly. One issue is that often times creatures would evolve to be immortal because their natural life length would just mutate to = infinity.
f2f022 No.14542787
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>>14542770
The creator of the series has a serious obsession with simulating life and is currently working on a game to try to naturally simulate an animal brain.
0099b2 No.14542792
>>14542787
He fucks that robot doesn't he?
>TFW no robo gf to fuck
263cd8 No.14542798
>>14542770
makes you think why aren't creatures immortal in the real world…seems like something that would be beneficial
yes, I know about the jellyfish, but still
f2f022 No.14542809
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Not really sure if this one could be considered a game but it is definitely a simulator.
>>14542798
In real life situations most animals die because they have a type 3 survival ship strategy plan. You can either put energy into living longer or that can go into making a body that is better at creating a lot of animals. If you die but you create 50 offspring than it doesn't matter that you died. For larger animals that generally have a type 2 or 1 strategy (less children but live longer) they eventually generally die due to getting cancer/mutations slowly accumulating in their body until something breaks.
0099b2 No.14542820
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Machine learning is sort of a type of natural selection. At least I find it extremely interesting
f2f022 No.14542852
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Species: Artificial Life is a game developed by a guy for quite a few years now. He updates the game weekly but it's still likely years off from being fully complete. Still pretty fun, especially seeing predators evolve to eat prey animals and population stabilization.
f2f022 No.14542869
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You may remember this game from a few months ago when /v/ and /pol/ were trying to teach Swastikas how to walk
f2f022 No.14542884
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>>14542820
Machine learning is basically NS in computational form. They even get biologists sometimes to help create algorithms that are used to "develop" new cars/planes from simulated natural selection tests. They even talk about it in MGR. We will never get a new Metal Gear Revengeance I really love how the Metal Gear games bring up and discuss current and future tech but in a realistic manner.
960af9 No.14542923
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>>14542809
That's not a game but it's still cool, reminded me of this.
f2f022 No.14542934
>>14542914
Sorry, but I know >>14542852 and >>14542733
are Wine compatible. Creatures has it's own fan linux installer.
f2f022 No.14542952
Oh, for any Biofags like me reading this, there is a lot of money in evolution simulation. Population Genetics, Epidemiology and machine learning all require biologists who are in high demand to apply their knowledge of evolution. It requires basic coding knowledge and a bit of math but nothing too hardcore. If you have the same type of autism I have and want to turn it into fat stacks it may be something you might want to consider majoring in.
f2f022 No.14542969
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>>14542923
Reminds me of this except it's dealing with virtual "neural" development instead of body.
f2f022 No.14543062
>>14542733
I feel like an idiot for forgetting to post the download links. Many of these games are from the 90s or even before and are hard to find.
>Evolve virtual creatures
http://www.mediafire.com/file/s71k1ri6xo28qri/3D_Creature_Evolution.zip
>Creatures 3
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/creatures-3-a3r
>Species
http://www.speciesgame.com/download/
I am currently looking for a download link to Grandroids if anyone knows where to find it.
f4480d No.14543310
I remember playing Biogenesis with some anons although it might've been way back in the cuckchan times. You could connect to other players by IP and an input and output areas would open on your screen. Any creatures that go into output would appear in the other player's corresponding input box. So you could send your death bees bumblebees of peace to devastate enrich foreign cultures.
986e41 No.14545990
>>14542733
Boxcar2D is a fun and free little program where the "creatures" are cars that evolve to have different shapes and wheels to take on a course. There's a lot of variables to tinker with and several courses to pick from as well. I like to leave it on when I'm working and check back on it to see how far they have gotten.
http://boxcar2d.com/
f4480d No.14546347
So, Biogenesis
http://biogenesis.sourceforge.net/
It generates an initial set of organisms in an environment with O2 and CO2. Once an organism gets enough energy, it will reproduce, potentially with mutations. Organisms consist of different color and length segments.
Green take CO2 from the environment, turn it to O2 and get energy in the process.
Yellow segments increase fertility, so when the organism reproduces (with enough energy) it will provide additional offspring based on the number of yellow segments.
Red segments hurt other organisms and drain energy from them.
White segments infect organisms so that when they reproduce, they generate offspring of kind that infected them.
Grey segments kill other organisms on touch.
Blue segments are immune to red, white and grey.
Cyan segments move the organism around.
Brown creatures are dead and will slowly decay and release CO2 into the environment.
Life tends to settle into mostly green creatures for long periods of time.
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8196c2 No.14547372
>>14546396
That was a penis simulator and you know it
205dcb No.14547405
Remember that 2D AI thing from a few months back? I checked it out again recently and I don't believe it has changed whatsoever.
205dcb No.14547407
>>14542869
Yeah, this one. What a shame.
a1194c No.14547465
>>14542869
>/v/ and /pol/ were trying to teach Swastikas how to walk
I always end up missing these things.
5e95ba No.14547470
>>14542733
Super columbine massacre RPG
205dcb No.14547504
>>14547465
It's okay, after a few hot jiffs everyone kind of figured out it needed a lot of refinement still. The last thing I remember making was some roo thing that ended up walking on its back. Fuckin wiley cunts.
675cd7 No.14547519
I wonder how long it will be until toady implements evolution into dwarf fortress, and eventually dwarfs start to encounter highly evolved spiked armadillos that sanic ball them to death.
205dcb No.14547549
>>14547519
I dare you to get on bay12 and suggest that. See you in fifteen years.
468944 No.14548269
8844f4 No.14548310
>an entire thread passes and no one mentions Evo.
Blasphemy.
61aafb No.14548344
>>14546347
i got this little guy
4a2629 No.14548351
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>>14542733
niche is pretty interesting though not exactly what you're talking about
f4480d No.14548384
>>14548344
This is my current dominant species.
61aafb No.14548540
>>14548384
i think i had my first bottleneck effect it's only left with one starlike that has no offensive but sustains itself something like a plant and those motherfucking mini jets with death horns that massacred everything.
there are few jets only one star
61aafb No.14548552
the stars killed of a swastika shaped one that mutated from them
>second image
>sadhitler.jpg
61aafb No.14548558
and i forgot to put in the image
1b8746 No.14548600
>>14542798
>makes you think why aren't creatures immortal in the real world…seems like something that would be beneficial
Your Creatures mutate to infinite lifespans because there is no natural predators and it's not a realistic simulator of molecular biology.
61aafb No.14548672
>>14548600
there exist a species of medusa that is biologically immortal
eb0a86 No.14548707
>>14542770
Only problem was my creatures would always end up depressed, perhaps because I barely used the speaking function as a kid.
fe9319 No.14548737
>>14548600
Obtaining immortality is probably an impossibility, but cancer, one of the primary limiting factors to the lifespan of humans is not an unmalleable fact of life. While counterintuitive, it appears that the larger an animal species becomes, the smaller its risk of cancer. This is called Peto's Paradox. Studying species like elephants reveals that the cause of this apparent discrepancy is that the amount of molecular resources dedicated to the repair of mutations and elimination of tumorigenic cells varies wildly in nature. As such, the rate of cancer observed in any species can be seen as an evolutionary compromise between energy expenditure (slower growth rates) and longevity. With the advent of efficient gene manipulation technologies and powerful bioinformatics fueled by cheap genome sequencing, it is not only possible but also very likely that we will eventually imbue the future generations of humans with anti-cancer adaptations from other organisms.
1b8746 No.14548744
>>14548672
>>14548737
That may be true but the game doe not really go the full mile for mutations and DNA to such a large degree, like how most space games don't do full macro scale physics simulations. So it ends up being pretty simplistic plus those infinite lifespan creatures could end up being retarded, depressed, and suicidal.
b364d2 No.14548746
>>14548737
Consider that genes are akin to context clues within a book. If I steal your favorite book and erase all of the letter "E", you'll still be able to read that book with high accuracy. Perhaps larger animals have an even stronger foundation of this "context" due to their increased physical quantity of DNA.
f4480d No.14548759
My world is still dominated by a kind of thornballs. A shootoff species of fertile, motile thornballs went eventually extinct because the parent species was so well defended with red spikes.
Now there's a pure green shuriken kind on the ascendancy on one side of the world. Except that while I was writing this, they got practically wiped out.
Thornballs reign supreme.
>>14548558
Lordy, have you been hitting that Increase CO2 button like a redheaded stepchild?
fe9319 No.14548818
>>14548746
That is very unlikely, mainly due to the two following reasons: 1. The size of the genome and the size/complexity of the animal don't correlate. 2. The way genes are transcribed and the resulting message translated into protein is very sensitive to deletions/insertions. With the loss/insertion of any number of bases not a multiple of 3, the rest of the gene following the mutation becomes nonsense to the cell.
However, what seems to happen in animals like whales and elephants is not necessarily far off from your thinking. In order to keep the rate of cancer low, these organisms would appear to have copied some central anti-cancer genes many times over. It is likely that this has caused the given genes to become expressed to a higher degree, but it also adds in redundancy to the system, a more robust "context" if you will, which helps eliminates proto-cancer cells before they go completely astray.
61aafb No.14548825
>>14548759
i was cause i wanted to simulate a cataclysm, and it worked, now that the bottleneck has been passed almost every organism has the same blue starshaped signature.
It was avtually a test of what would happen when i did. First it was to 100k CO2 and then after a boom of new creatures it dropped almost to zero and then botleneck happened.
This is it now. The only survivor's children are here.
f4480d No.14548861
>mutated thornball
>red spikes, grey outer segments, moving
>barely able to sustain itself
>last of its kind
>age 27 out of 30
>gets near two dead creatures
>race against time to consume enough energy to reproduce before dying of old age
>cutting it really close
>finally gets there
>spawns a little green needle with a white tip
>dies
Literally cucked to extinction
>>14548825
I see. I've tried similar stuff, but this simulation has been 100% hands off after the beginning.
e76928 No.14549086
e76928 No.14549237
>>14549052
>Buying and reading the book of an actual nutjob
His "theory" on the Origin of species is more retarded than Creationism
e76928 No.14549278
>>14549258
Too bad its neither valid or simple because it horribly crams together evolution and creationism in such a way that makes both sides hate him.
>You see Billy, humans were invented when a Chimp and a pig loved each other very much
>The unholy spawn their fucking created is what the bible describes on the 6th day of Genesis. Trust me, I have a Phd
e76928 No.14549332
>>14549286
I don't have to, I already read parts of the papers he tried to publish and they are a great read for anyone into /cow/s. Evolution through natural selection is praised in many ways by how simple it is. "Stabilization Theory" as he likes to call it is a huge clusterfuck created by someone you know must be mentally I'll.
e76928 No.14549347
>>14549332
To go further, natural selection is so simple that we can simulate it in vidya like the games in this thread have shown.
bc3ab9 No.14549458
>>14542798
Lobsters technically are immortal
b364d2 No.14549483
>>14549458
Sea urchins and alligators too or was it crocodiles?
960af9 No.14549615
Here's a little game where you evolve killer mushrooms - https://bludgeonsoft.itch.io/vilmonic-lite
331c60 No.14549751
Not a simulator.
An action JRPG with the natural selection as it's main theme.
A good game, nonetheless.
690e4d No.14551534
Thanks for making this thread, OP. I fucking love this kind of stuff. In my spare time I've been programming a "cellular automata"-style evolution simulator; right now I just have grass that grows to adjacent tiles on an ascii grid, and fire that spreads to adjacent grass tiles, leaving empty dirt in its wake. The plan is to have herbivores/carnivores/plants with different stats and behaviors, and those stats can change slightly with each generation (so the child will have almost identical stats with just a couple minor differences).
For anyone that's interested in evolution/life simulators, I recommend checking out the field of Cellular Automata. I think most people in this thread will be familiar with the classic, Conway's Game of Life:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life
However, that's just scratching the surface of what's out there in this field. Conway's Game of Life is a 2-dimensional binary CA, but you can also extend similar logic to arbitrary dimensions and with arbitrary numbers of states for each cell. For example, attachment 2 of my post shows a 1D binary automata, called "Rule 30" in the Wolfram denomination. Interestingly, similar patterns as that created by rule 30 are found in nature, on certain seashells.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Rule30.html
http://devinacker.github.io/celldemo/ (you can find loads of automata simulators out there, this is just one I found after ten seconds of Googling)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langton%27s_loops (Langston Loops are a specific kind of 2d multi-state automata which support a DNA-like "tape" of memory which allows the eponymous loops to copy themselves)
I would say that in general, cellular automata are less about simulating life itself, and more like simulating elementary particles. You can imagine that each cell in an automata are like Planck-distance slices of a universe, and the state of that cell denotes the presence of energy. The rules which determine when/how cells turn on and off are the physical properties of that universe; the fundamental forces. But interestingly, you can apply the theory of evolution to these elementary forces, just like you can to life. Things start off chaotic, like the post-big-bang energy soup. Energy/mass structures that are resilient tend to stick around, and soon enough all energy is arranged into one of these forms. Then those forms bounce around until they combine and rearrange into larger, more complex shapes (assuming that your chosen universe has physical forces that support such complexity; thankfully, ours does). Quantum foam -> quarks -> neutrons/protons/electrons -> atomic elements -> molecules -> single celled life -> multi-celled life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fVN1nA4MWQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQJ5aEsP6Fs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIXMSPsG9mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5oKgVZ6bTk
I realize I've rather gone off track from the original discussion about evolution games, so I'll end here. But, if people are interested in me continuing, I have more I could say about cellular automata tomorrow. And maybe I could dig through my notes and find some more simulators out there that I quite like.
690e4d No.14551607
>>14551534
Ok, one final thing before I go. An evolutionary competition of Langston Loop-style automata:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGRPwuVvErs
And, finally, single-rotation cellular automata:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g33V6i2Loc
http://dmishin.github.io/singlerot-smooth/singlerot-smooth.html
That last link is a version you can play yourself.
f10186 No.14551729
>>14546347
This is a really fun fish tank game. Good modification and save system, though I've only turned the CO2 up and down.
Starts with a couple of bacteria, forms a green clump that gets destroyed by red and white. At low total CO2+O2 it seems that red and a minority grey win out, with no movement. With over ~30,000(?) it starts being dominated by a stationary blue shelled geometric shape; a minority of very fast 'virus infectors' eats defective blue shapes/other things, keeping it stable at any CO2+O2 level.
f4480d No.14551799
>>14549086
Biogenesis, see here: >>14546347
Life has gone from the kind of circular shape design to a more spiny and sinister looking direction. Some of the offshoots are looking a bit too much like spiders to my taste. That second bastard even moves.
If this trend continues, I think I must succeed where god failed. I must make the arachnids go extinct.
46c3d6 No.14552138
>>14551799
>killing spiders
What did they ever do to you? They are the best kind of creatures.
724b4b No.14552203
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Cell lab is a great "game" on phone.
f4480d No.14552221
>>14552138
>What did they ever do to you?
Lets see:
>exist
>be within 100 million light years of my physical form
Those two are reason enough to exterminate any and all arachnids.
Luckily nature took the decent route and the spidery threat was eliminated without my interference. Now life prospers as fertile photosynthetic and mostly peaceful life
361783 No.14552521
http://boxcar2d.com/
Probably one of the best I've seen.
361783 No.14552559
>>14549751
The SNES version was most certainly superior. Heartbreaking, but superior.
f4480d No.14553256
Oh god, death bees on the rise.
I started a new, bigger world (with some more CO2 to balance out the larger area), but I included the latest most successful species from the old one. Judging by the shape (7 limbs) of the bigger creatures, they remained very successful.
f4480d No.14553291
And would you look at that. The stationary life developed a blue armor. Nature finds a way.
c0464e No.14553404
Why am I the only one to ever bring up SimLife?
c0464e No.14553406
>>14549751
>natural selection as it's main theme
E.V.O. presents a complete misunderstanding of evolution and probably gave a lot of impressionable young children the wrong idea.
1c722d No.14553481
>>14551534
Good job anon
>TFW very well learned in Math and Biology but have yet to take the time to learn how to code
>Fucking next level classes are expecting me to already know how to code/program despite the fact that no classes before it taught me anything about CS
If I just spent a summer learning basic programming shit how long would it take me to be decent at Python with no computer science knowledge?
7ba948 No.14553731
>>14542733
What are some good /sci/ games though? Does it even exist, something where you can simulate and really learn things.
NO I am not talking about magic school bus series of computer games.
f2f022 No.14553944
>>14553731
Universe sim
Space Chem
Fold it
Tyto ecology
Some of the games posted here.
I am pretty sure there are dozens if not hundreds of games that teach math or Comp Sci skills.
7ba948 No.14554022
>>14553944
Thanks Anon I was baiting because I am too lazy to research tonight but I still appreciate it.
690e4d No.14557218
>>14553481
(690e4d here)
Since you already have a strong Maths background, and your chosen language is Python (very high level modern language which abstracts away a lot of the nitty gritty), I'd say you could achieve a basic level of understanding within a single summer. Just find some decent tutorials online, and maybe look into what sort of programming knowledge these classes actually want you to have.
Some important coding concepts every programmer should know: common data types (int, double/float, string, char, boolean), math/logical operators (+, -, ×, /, % [modulo], <, >, !=, etc), logical branching (if/else if/else, for loops, while loops, foreach loops), variables, functions, and simple object oriented program design.
07f75d No.14557813
>>14548672
for the common folk, medusoids are most jellyfish, and there are a lot of immortal ones. Some trees are immortal; single specimens are upwards of 10,000 yrs old, surviving past the last glacial period. They do this by regenerating from roots.
>>14548737
Also, some black chick had a wacky form of cancer that killer her but the cancer colonies survived and reproduce, meaning she is technically immortal. Her cells are used in all kinds of experiments because they can reproduce and are pretty much human
5f8b19 No.14558128
>>14542792
Don't mind me, just taking an advantage of posting robo girls.
Also Conway's Game of Life can be another example even though it's just showing generations instead of the individual life form.
0e78ba No.14558210
Watching Civilization games play themselves with only AI on the boards pretty neat.
273284 No.14558284
>>14558210
So is Mario Party but for entirely different reasons.
17a19b No.14558286
>>14553944
Space Chem is a nice puzzle game but it has nothing to do with chemistry.
d49b97 No.14559034
>>14546347
>Early life is mostly pacific
>There's some autistic green+yellow simple organisms breeding in the bottom left corner
>Some weird balls of red white and yellow that never do anything
>And the hooks, which are simple tiny sanic fuckers who go around the place crashing on things like madmen. Pretty balanced on yellow + green
>I like the hooks, so I feed one a little bit
>One of the hook's sons gets some red lines and goes fucking berserk on the bottom left yellow green autists
>Soon the hooks dominate the entire fucking screen raping and pillaging every other living creature
Even a few hours later the hooks' reign of terror continues
d49b97 No.14559528
>>14559034
>Time passes and the hooks keep killing the shit out of everything
>No new creature can withstand the strength of the hooks
>A new worthy challenger species pops up, the wheels
>Instead reproducing so fast the hooks can't kill them off, they have surrounded themselves in blue so they're impervious to hook attacks
>For a while the wheels are able to reproduce completely ignoring the hooks, but then the hooks mutated into smaller, pointier versions that sometimes can go right between the wheels defenses and start eating them up
>And so the battle continues
I have no idea why is this so fucking interesting to me
960af9 No.14559890
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I don't know why we haven't seen anything this cool in games.
21ee3c No.14560072
>>14546347
Shame biogenesis always converges to big photosythesizers with a shell of blue segments and little squigle shaped predators consisting of a red cyan and grey segment that zip around the map eating each other and any photosynthesizer that dies of old age.
daaf0b No.14560079
>>14560072
It's almost like that's the most efficient ecosystem given the rules of the simulation
21ee3c No.14560096
>>14553404
Because we still haven't gotten over Spore
46c3d6 No.14560098
>>14558128
>robo girls
>basically humans but with lines on them and little shit which hardly makes a huge difference.
Shit taste.
273284 No.14560128
>>14560098
There's other aspects to it I think. Eternal youth is a pretty good point. Also custom paint jobs.
960af9 No.14560694
>>14560072
I'll see how hard it is to get Yellow segments to protect against White so Blue would be vulnerable to infection.
f2f022 No.14563098
>Let Biogenesis run all night
>Come back
>Everyones dead
67e66c No.14563620
>>14549347
You can simulate anything in a video game.
83c364 No.14563656
>>14563620
Except good games.
f2f022 No.14565865
>>14563620
The difference is that you can simulate natural selection given facts about the real world given only two rules that applies to all living things
>Genes pass on to their children and code for the phenotype of an organism
>These genes can mutate
1725bd No.14566126
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This series is really interesting
960af9 No.14566366
>>14566126
Sounds like a complete faggot.
273284 No.14568883
>>14566366
I bet you do to faggot.
1dfba4 No.14569305
>>14566126
There's already a million simulators like this
0099b2 No.14574197
>>14566126
This autistic sounds just like the Half press guy.
f2f022 No.14574581
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>>14566126
I prefer his other evolution simulator which tries to evolve behavior in simulated animals.
690e4d No.14581223
>>14566126
Love this guy's work, even if he does sound like another half-A-press autist on the mic.
675cd7 No.14582604
>>14574581
>the creatures learned of a bug in their code that would greatly benefit the other creatures
>they just vomited more than their body mass before death to give an infinite nutrient return to other creatures, leading to them growing too big and breaking the simulation
that is pretty fucking crazy
675cd7 No.14583848
>>14546347
excuse me what the fuck is this
675cd7 No.14583956
>>14583848
I tried starting off with nothing but swastikas but now there's a bunch of fucking pubes flying around.
d77b80 No.14584059
>>14583956
>start with single line green cells for a truly beginning of life sim
>takes forever for red and cyan to appear
>they die too fast to reproduce despite lots of food
>no matter if i do this or randoms, entropy basically happens and settles into walled plants
675cd7 No.14584086
>>14584059
I thought the flying pubes were going to eliminate everything because they just bloomed and nearly wiped out everything else with insane speed because they had almost no mass.
Surprised that they eventually died off and many divergent swastikas emerged.
ef221a No.14584094
>>14583848
>>14583956
>I tried starting off with nothing but swastikas
Hilorl Hartlilior
0f5f91 No.14584099
>Biogenesis
Oh boy, I still remember cleansing my worlds of life with a small squad of special killer-organisms.
0f5f91 No.14584103
Though Biogenesis eventually turns from "cool evolution simulator" into "nerf blue please".
675cd7 No.14584117
>>14584103
I don't know how anything in this is supposed to work, but I have ended up with some very strange swastikas, although there always to seem to be a sudden change that wipes out everything and starts them all off at the basic shape again.
675cd7 No.14584157
>>14584117
A few wheels have emerged, but more interesting is the cross that has emerged.
675cd7 No.14584335
>>14584157
that cross died pretty fucking quick, left it running in the background for a while and came back to this
41664b No.14584367
>>14584335
Crosses aren't very efficient.
e6b646 No.14584430
>started as little jewish stars
>survive vicious predators by reproducing a lot and fast
>take so much O2 that it wipe almost everything including the predators but manage to survive because they are small and numerous
>evolve peacefully into black sun after being the only remaining creature
Fucking jews man
e6b53d No.14584433
>>14574581
>God could be like a gay asian kid playing on his computer for Youtube hits
e6b646 No.14584493
>>14584430
>200 years of peace later
62a595 No.14584572
I don't know what I expected.
150fe0 No.14584634
>>14546347
i used to toy with this a lot in ~2010 thanks for reminding me of this game's existence
71e836 No.14584991
There was an old national geographic game called evolution that I played as a child in the 90s, anyone know where I can find a copy?
62a595 No.14585233
>>14584572
It took 74 generations, but what started as an infinity eight has become a dick, or an arrow asking to be checked.
62a595 No.14585649
>>14585233
123 generations in and a manlet was formed. It was short lived, but ran about the place a quick as it could.
167 generations and it seems the manlet either stealth reproduced, or its mother cell produced a luckier brother. These skinwalker cells don't last long, I'm amazed that they've kept surviving for so long.
70cc20 No.14585678
>play bg
>several strains die out in the very beginning
>wheel master race rules supreme for centuries
>decide to spice things up
>make a needle torpedo consisting of cyan yellow and red
>invert the lines so no other spot is touched but red
>release a single needle near wheels
>watch as the needle quickly slaughters the passive wheel nation
>realize what horror I released when they reproduce rapidly
>feeling like a shitty God I increase the co2 to give the wheels extra time
>wheels start to evolve white tips for some reason
>try to figure out why they aren't evolving blue or grey
>slowly one by one needles die from white tipped wheels
>one half of the wheels start to produce spikeballs
>the other makes swastikas
>needles try to quickly evolve to overcome new wheel evolutions
>they start making double needles
>mfw war on three sides just broke out
I didn't realize this game was so intense.
f4480d No.14585723
>going through the most peaceful time I've witnessed
>literally only one offshoot specimen with even a little red
>life grows stagnant in one corner
>birth/death cycles synchronize
>mass death of old age
>over 7000 time units into the world and life gets this close to extinction
I'm worried
f4480d No.14585762
>>14585723
>massive release of carbon into the atmosphere
>few surviving greens able to reproduce super fast
>lots of new generations and mutations
>death bees emerge
>again
>life gets spread around
>defences evolve
>everything is killing everything again
675cd7 No.14586418
I left this running over night.
Ended up with mostly these blue shielded pinwheels that gradually get attacked by these speedy little things.
And one hair.
f1caa4 No.14586441
Came for the vidya, stayed for the evolution trivia.
fc362b No.14586529
Not a game, but this channel has lots of interesting genetic algorithm stuff. Turn on captions for engrish explanations.
https://youtu.be/gWExx-NpimQ
f4480d No.14586791
>>14586418
Yeah, that's the classic aftermath of a death bee outbreak. Soon the little speedy things will die out because they can't kill anything, the wheels will evolve away the blue shell because there are no more threaths, then the bees will emerge again and the cycle repeats.
bd1ec0 No.14587182
>>14586791
They're kinda neat, these diatom looking fuckers.
72fb5c No.14587487
Mods deleted my post for some reason…
https://sourceforge.net/projects/biogenesiscolor/
Is a mod/continuation of Biogenesis.
Adds different colored segments and behaviors such as colonies.
72fb5c No.14587590
960af9 No.14589281
>>14587487
>>14587590
This mod moves away from the spirit of the original simulation by assigning classes to organisms and then having segments work differently based on class - plant, killer, consumer. In my opinion it's the laziest way of adding complexity.
21ee3c No.14590668
>>14582604
Natural selection is good at finding exploits to use for its advantage. There was a autopilot simulator where the algorithms would converge on applying so much force to the landing gear while its in the air to cause stack overflow on the physics engine and they could land the plane in zero-g.
c7a206 No.14590757
>>14584086
I noticed that the swastika and similar patterns would crop up naturally a lot, makes sense considering that it's a 2D environment.
62a595 No.14590855
>>14585649
After 435 generations and 116 mass extinctions what once started life as a single infinity 8 has currently become two distinct species. I've named them Hooks and Filters.
The Hooks are fast and aggressive, while the Filters are mostly stationary and docile, only slightly spinning and bumping into one another when met with force, usually by an eager Hook hungry for delicious brown (You)s.
Interesting to note, that when you set the symmetry to two, and remove any mirror effects both species still greatly resembles their original ancestor.
38665b No.14590906
I wish anyone made a remake of Creatures. I want to observe strange evolutions among the norms.
d51072 No.14590908
ae93e3 No.14591212
>>14590855
The default parameters encourage those two strategies
1. Stay safe and produce your own food
2. Kill everything that can't protect itself
4960a0 No.14591565
>>14584099
I just tried those and these triangle things which are currently dominating the world destroyed them.
06e9d2 No.14591612
>>14590855
What Java program is this?
62a595 No.14591644
>>14591212
Yeah, evolution has completely stopped at this point, and I can no longer measure time in generations, as the hooks breed and kill one another like rabbits and the filters rarely get a chance to gather enough energy to reproduce. So, the hooks are at generation ~675 while the filters are sitting at ~480
>>14591612
See >>14546347
c41162 No.14591960
>>14546347
>start with a single green line guy
>many immovable whites that only infect when they are launched into greens are eventually born
>some cyan are born
>dragging everyone around so they can get infected by whites
>cyan just touched a white
I fear what is to come.
c41162 No.14592001
>>14591960
Everyone who isn't a wheel is flying around like crazy. The wheels reproduce really fast and 4~6 at a time, that's how they are still out there.
bed0da No.14592324
>>14546347
This is just Darwin Pond 2.
4960a0 No.14592595
So first I made the india wheel, and then I made a swastika. The indians have set aside a nice sub continental section aside for themselves and germany is taking over half the map, as expected.
c41162 No.14592696
>>14546347
I've seen that the small parameters really limit what they can turn into, the massacres always destroys everything and then lead to a new cycle where everyone is completely green. I decided to scale it up a little.
I'm running a 100000x100000 world instead of 1000x1000 which 5x10^7 initial C02 instead of 5k so we can have a btter scale. The game is running at 1000fps, hopefully I can prevent worldwide massacres.
The first being in there was a "3" green line.
Not symmetrical nor mirrored.
960af9 No.14593289
>>14592696
>3
>not mirrored
3df42f No.14593423
Anyone know the name of that game where you design beetles, they can be herbivores or eat other beetles, etc, and your beetles interact with beetles from other players and hopefully infest everyone's ecosystem but without collapsing it?
f2f022 No.14594777
>>14582604
Similar thing happens here >>14542820 Where the machine learned to use glitches to kill bosses without ever "seeing" the boss and only knowing that doing specific things increases it's score.
70c896 No.14594909
>>14546347
how do I install this?
b04f19 No.14595005
For the first 2000 time units or so there were these ever-present grey spike balls floating around that were invincible to predators, then I stop paying attention for half an hour and the world is completely taken over by blue squares.
b04f19 No.14595026
>>14595005
Looks like one of the spike balls evolved some yellow and shit out a gorillion kids right around the time I tabbed out. I'd place bets on that being what caused this
d875e2 No.14602673
>>14547519
I'd rather he implement moving vehicles (carts, boats, etc) and mounts first.
33ed38 No.14604858
>>14546347
It has network support apparently. If it works, anyone wanna host a server or open a port to fuck with creature creation?
Also, why does it always generate swastikas? Is it a sign?
>>14594909
Download the zip, extract the folder, and run the jar.
33ed38 No.14605124
>>14604858
I'm enjoying this too much. I'm running 3 worlds simultaneously that started with different CO2 levels seeing how stuff interacts with moving between worlds. The first 2 pictures have been running for an hour, while the last one was created maybe 10 minutes ago.
89dccf No.14605423
>>14542869
>>14547465
My post exactly lad.
89dccf No.14605470
>>14546347
>>14548344
I got these big guys.
42452e No.14605477
theres a game like this that's called gridworld, it's far more complex than biogenesis but it's behind a paywall
http://store.steampowered.com/app/396890/Gridworld/
89dccf No.14606930
>overnight they evolve into two major groups: the hexagonal lads and the spearnigs.
The spearnigs charge at other organisms with their misshaped bodies, and thats how they prosper. I was observing them last night thinking they weren't going to stay around forever but they're still here.
The hexagon lads seemed to evolve into a defensive creature like a turtle and reproduces quickly.
05c469 No.14607223
Experimenting with high complexity, expensive blues, and highly efficient movement, my world chugged through a huge variety of species.
Every time I take a screenshot to post new cool shit pops up, even though the world's at the low CO2 cycle, slowing things down.
f4480d No.14607302
Probably the smallest death bees I've seen. Absolute mayhem
5aad00 No.14607346
How's Thrive doing? Remember they had gotten somewhere with pretty neat cell creation
fc362b No.14607366
>>14591644
>hooknoses bullying peaceful water filter salesmen
Art intimidating life.
960af9 No.14607537
I made some changes to Biogenesis which hopefully make it less likely to converge on hooks & circles, also working on attractor/repulsor segments. I haven't run this for any great length of time yet. https://mega.nz/#!EwtF2JZR!mhpZc_V67njpuCXPy-wqi3OzS_L1Dqk9A9LFOjbP504
05c469 No.14607566
A couple more screenshots.
>>14607537
Gave me a JNI error through exception.
f4480d No.14607608
>>14607566
Same here >>14607537
One thing I've been thinking about is that life expectancy shouldn't be a fixed number, but I'm not sure how it should be implemented. If the life expectancy was just randomly mutated upon reproduction, wouldn't it just tend toward higher and higher values? On the other hand, long life expectancy shouldn't necessarily mean more energy consumption or energy required for reproduction.
I guess creatures with long life spans tend to be slower and/or have slower metabolism? Would that mean a penalty on the efficiency of red/green/cyan segments on long aged creatures?
05c469 No.14607744
>>14607608
Some options:
>Introduce a part that increases lifespan at a per-tick cost to force genomes to minmax for 'do I want to get old' or 'do I want to pop babies out faster'.
>Alter reproduction to better mimic how bacteria reproduce, possibly introduce budding and asymmetric division as competitors, and eliminate aging entirely
Yellow would have to be tweaked in various ways.
>Rework aging to reflect the primary mode of senescence (mutation) and introduce organ failure that kills off individual parts at a controllable, random rate.
>Nix aging entirely and instead introduce controllable DNA degradation that will eventually prevent reproduction from the parent cell, effect reduced somewhat by yellows.
f2f022 No.14607867
>>14607793
>A simulation of a natural process is artificial
Yeah technically, so?
f4480d No.14607977
>>14607918
I don't think you know what evolution means
f2f022 No.14607984
>>14607918
You are getting biogenesis and natural selection mixed up champ.
All the creatures once created survive or die based on natural selection.
05c469 No.14608005
>>14607918
With zero input of my own the organisms from >>14607744 have gone full circle and, many generations later, mutated into these. Why? Hell if I know, there was 500 ticks of survival pressure exerting itself on the strange, mirrored, 4-prong design from before that drove it towards these weird swastikas.
I do know, thanks to the stats, that there was a superpredator that killed 1/3 of the pop over 250 ticks ago, and that it probably contributed. How? Why? Ask the environment itself. Now I'm gonna change the environmental factors by pumping up Co2 and allowing more efficient complexity, and watch the creatures adapt as a result.
This is natural selection at a very base level, not creationism.
e8d37f No.14608080
>>14608046
>Waited all thread for a creationistfag to come in
>Keep waiting, thread is dying about to lose hope
>See you, get hyped
>Turns out you were just weak bait
d5aa0d No.14608088
>>14608046
>there is no evolution
>Natural selection is not real, sorry to break it to you but everything was created out of Creationism
[Citation needed]
6e1e84 No.14608098
>>14608080
>not being the true bait you want to see in the world
>expecting others to shitpost for you
I bet you just wanted to screencap it and post it to reddit you nigger
675cd7 No.14608100
>>14608046
>And on the 6th day, God said "Let there be evolution."
690e4d No.14608116
>>14591212
During one of my runs, some of the armored herbivores evolved gray armor instead of blue. These gray-armored spores of course killed any of the little red guys that touched them, eventually leading to a complete die-off of the apex predators. After this it was all herbivores for a while until things started diversifying again. I've only seen it happen once, but it is possible for that equilibrium to be broken. Definitely the most stable ecosystem I've seen appear so far.
a5f26f No.14608118
>>14608088
Genesis [1:11], [1:12], [1:20], [1:21], and [1:24]-[1:27]
0bac4b No.14608124
>>14608118
>not quoting the bible with citations
You know he's not going to go look anything up, you didn't even explain why you're posting that.
e8d37f No.14608146
>>14608098
I have a folder of all the best retarded posts I have seen on 8chan. if you have seen anyone post a screenshot from this site to make fun of an idiot 9/10 it's either me or someone reposting one of my caps. I am very proud of my collection.
961e59 No.14608148
>>14608146
does that make you feel superior?
e8d37f No.14608166
>>14608148
No anon, I am a humble historian. Everyone wants to cap the best posts, but the worst posts are just as important. I will go back to lurking and searching.
d5aa0d No.14608173
>>14608134
>implying his theory hasn't been used to successfully further science
Science is always a matter of trial and error; finding the puzzle pieces and slotting them into place. Just because we don't have the whole picture yet doesn't mean something is false. Theories give something tangible to test and improve on, theology is just philosophical guesswork.
675cd7 No.14608186
>>14608134
>disproving god with evolution
Evolution would not disprove god, it would disprove intelligent design, but you've managed to disprove intelligent design all on your own since you're anything but intelligent.
Also you can't disprove a negative, to find evidence to disprove something with a lack of evidence would only give evidence to it thus proving it, and it is unchristian to seek evidence because to be a christian means to believe in the mysteries of faith.
961e59 No.14608196
>>14608173
>further science by delving into falsehood.
>>14608186
you are not as intelligent as you seem to think you are, you have zero argument and the only post you can make is to belittle and insult.
where did i say i was christian or i was speaking on the behalf of religion?
d5aa0d No.14608213
>>14608196
>what are vaccines against deadly viruses
Without us knowing about cellular evolution, your dumb ass wouldn't even be posting this nonsense, because you'd be dead from ebola.
f2f022 No.14608220
>>14608213
>Vaccines
Wow anon, don't you realize vaccines are evil? A porn star told me. She is will to inject herself with dick but not medicine.
d5aa0d No.14608231
>>14608220
Depends which porn star told you. If she was THICC then you can trust her.
961e59 No.14608236
>>14608213
what does evolution have to do with vaccines?
690e4d No.14608240
>>14608134
>Charles Darwin never claimed evolution was fact, in fact he stated his theory was not complete yet
Darwin was talking about the fact that he didn't yet understand what caused animals to change over generations/pass on their characteristics to their children (you know, blue eyes or a sharper beak, etc.). This question was answered by the work of later scientists such as Gregor Mendel and James Watson: genes. Our understanding of how natural selection operates is quite thorough, and if you knew how to read perhaps you'd discover the same.
Natural selection is all around you, it describes the fundamental manner in which all sorts of structures arrange themselves. Particles, celestial systems, life, it all follows the law of "Survival of the Fittest".
>>14608196
>meme spacing
>doesn't capitalize its sentences
Pathetic.
d5aa0d No.14608248
>>14608236
You'd know if you paid more attention in class. Also read >>14608240
d5aa0d No.14608269
>>14608254
>you should learn to use your brain instead of regurgitating what you read.
Right back at ya. I'm not going to fucking explain the ins and outs of the science that is keeping you alive, and which you are willfully ignoring, when there are piles upon piles of books and information concerning the matter that are a Google search away. Learn proper capitalization, stop the meme spacing, and fuck off.
7cd335 No.14608276
>>14608249
>if all the unfit were wiped out how does an extinct species turn into another?
It doesn't. Live species turn into others so as to become more fit or stay fit in changing habitats.
All it means is that the ones that are better equipped to the lives thrown at them pass on their genes more, and over time this affects the genetic makeup of the entire species.
961e59 No.14608290
>>14608269
>right back at ya
it does not work if i never told you to read a book without thinking.
there is no such thing as meme spacing you sperging retard, and i don't have to capitalize if i don't want to.
>>14608276
I understand this, but how does one species turn into another?
why aren't the gorillas and monkeys evolving as we speak. why haven't humans been evolving and changing for the past 20,000 years.
dogs have been naturally selected to change into different types of dogs but they are still dogs.
856375 No.14608314
>>14608213
Germ Theory has nothing to do with Evolution. Spontaneous Generation being crap is its own thing and is responsible for that Alkaline diet/water bullshit.
>>14608249
An example from man, if we suppose the out of Africa theory is correct. Work with me here. Niggers went north, over hundreds of thousands of years the lightest nigs survived while the giganiggas died because the lack of vitamin d makes you sluggish/suicidal. Continue until you can no longer be called a nigger.
690e4d No.14608318
>>14608249
>if all the unfit were wiped out how does an extinct species turn into another?
Go read about "speciation" then come back to me. We're talking about actual evolution through natural selection here, not magical Pokemon "evolution".
>>14608254
>you should learn to use your brain instead of regurgitating what you read.
Says the sub-60 IQ retard who regurgitates the myths from a 2000-year-old book written by Jews.
I hate arguing with creationfags. You people make me sound like an athiest.
>>14608290
>it does not work if i never told you to read a book without thinking.
Actually did, in your prior post where you cited a handful of lines from the book of Genesis as if that was proof enough that evolution doesn't work.
>why aren't the gorillas and monkeys evolving as we speak. why haven't humans been evolving and changing for the past 20,000 years.
But they have been, and still are. What do you think human races are? They are the early stages of genetic drift, and given enough time (hundreds of thousands or millions more years with no admixture), these different races might drift far enough apart that fertile reproduction is no longer possible. Then you'd have two or more distinct human species. Just look at Abbos, they're already pretty close to being another subspecies of human entirely.
This is my last comment in this discussion. Whether you are a troll or simply irredeemably stupid, the result will be the same; nothing will convince you, and the longer this argument lasts the worse this thread becomes.
961e59 No.14608321
>>14608314
I don't belive in out of africa theory though, but i understand what you mean but why didn't we ever evolve to have night vision, why didn't some humans evolve to cope with the different weather environments. we all essentially have the same body types.
961e59 No.14608326
>>14608318
anon if you looked at the id's that wasn't me.
05c469 No.14608333
>>14608249
>What exactly does survival of the fittest have to do with Evolution?
Survival of the Fittest is the only principle of Evolution that is basal. Evolution observes that differences exist and that accumulation of small differences can contribute to distinct species, everything else (how's and why's) is tacked on busywork, and could be discarded without invalidating the theory. It could be that aliens from space could come down to tweak a genome slightly and that's what causes genetic drift, but either way, the active element causing speciation is "survival of the fittest".
>if all the unfit were wiped out how does an extinct species turn into another?
Ask the Nematodes.
>>14608290
>why aren't the gorillas and monkeys evolving as we speak
Old world monkeys are remarkably new, on the grand scheme of things. Unless you're going to claim Carbon Dating is a scam?
>why haven't humans been evolving and changing for the past 20,000 years.
Modern white skin is a product of only the last 8000 years.
>dogs have been naturally selected to change into different types of dogs but they are still dogs.
Dogs were wolves, lineage of dogs selected for wolf-like traits become indistinguishable from wolves, despite notable dissimilarities in anatomy between a standard canine and a standard wolf. Modern genetic evidence introduce 23 primary clades of dog breeds that are distinct within dogs and dogs alone as a hypothetical "species".
961e59 No.14608347
>>14608333
but carbon dating can only date something back to 12000 years at most.
the only way you can tell something is millions of years old is to look at the rock and soil sample and claim its this many years old, but that is flawed since it only accounts if the earth never moved or experienced earthquakes.
>dogs alone as a hypothetical "species"
this is true, but it was natural selection where did evolution come into play.
my belief is humans and all the creatures on this planet are products of genetic manipulation and natural selection.
856375 No.14608348
>>14608321
>I don't belive in out of africa theory though
Hence the "suppose".
>night vision
Mutually exclusive with color vision, which our monkey ancestors evolved to find ripe fruit. iirc primates are one of the few mammals to have color vision.
>why didn't some humans evolve to cope with the different weather environments.
But we did, we're white. Evolution has slowed the fuck down because our big brains have reduced mortality rates down to nothing in the Western world. However, some Americans are gaining a resistance to diabetes, I kid you not. Plus Africans have a higher incidence of sickle cell anemia because only having one gene for it is beneficial in stopping malaria but 2 gives the disease.
>>14608318
>yamaca on caucasoid
Bad chart.
>>14608333
>Modern white skin is a product of only the last 8000 years.
Fuck off with that Cheddar man bullshit. Source?
856375 No.14608360
>>14608333
>dogs were wolves
Other way around, humans selected the least wild pups and bred them until they were tame.
05c469 No.14608377
>>14608347
>this is true, but it was natural selection where did evolution come into play.
>but carbon dating can only date something back to 12000 years at most.
THIS BAIT MAKES ME INORDINATELY ANGRY
INORDINATELY ANGRY THIS BAIT MAKES ME
check the images please you actual mongrel
>>14608348
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2015/03/13/016477.full.pdf
>>14608360
>wolves were dogs
>human picked the least pips and make them wild
856375 No.14608403
>>14608377
What the fuck did I write? Ignore me.
e26764 No.14608410
>>14608377
why do you bother arguing with them anon?
856375 No.14608433
>>14608399
>carbon dating half life is only 5,730 years.
>anything older is made up.
That only means half the carbon 14 decays every 5,730 years. That is, it becomes 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc. There will still always be carbon 14.
>>14608377
Ok, so looking at that paper I made an inference that wasn't there. Dark skin in the paper includes Spaniards, so we weren't all niggers 8000 thousand years ago, but as you said, didn't have modern white skin. Oh the media is going to have a field day with that paper.
3b3022 No.14608436
>>14608399
The half life of carbon 14 is the basis for carbon dating, not the limit. That's like arguing it's impossible to measure anything longer than a foot because a ruler is only 12 inches.
Carbon dating works like this: Because we know it takes 5700 years for half of the carbon 14 in a sample to decay into carbon 13, we know that it will take another 5700 years for half of that to decay, and another 5700 for half of that, and so on, indefinitely. Therefore, a sample with 1/2 the normal C14 is 5700 years old, a sample with 1/4 is 11400 years old, a sample with 1/8 is 17300 years old, etc.
e26764 No.14608466
>>14608460
I see now why the other anon continues. You are either genuinely ignorant of almost all scientific processes or baiting excessively well.
e26764 No.14608489
>>14608477
We can know that the object has been static for thousands of years, because it has been fucking buried in the ground and is fossilized. There is no process that could disturb the carbon without destroying the fossil as well.
961e59 No.14608498
>>14608489
what about earthquakes, what about cosmic rays, what about carbon absorption by the atmosphere through the ground, what about rain, what about underground aquifers.
e26764 No.14608502
>>14608498
>without destroying the fossil
961e59 No.14608513
>>14608502
just because there is an earthquake or something doesn't mean a fossil will be destroyed, the ground could just shift and move its position.
5d07c3 No.14608520
>>14608460
I don't want to scare you, but there's radioactive shit inside your body right now.
e26764 No.14608525
>>14608513
Do you ever try to think before you post something? If the earthquake moved it but didn't damage the fossil, how would this make any fucking difference? How would this disturb the carbon within it? This is my last post replying to you, you're fucking retarded.
f2f022 No.14608536
>>14608528
You failed horribly. These Natural Selection simulators simulate natural selection. It is literally what they do.
05c469 No.14608540
>>14608528
please make it your last post because you naturally select yourself off a bridge, preferably one remote enough they have to carbon date you to ID the corpse
961e59 No.14608546
5f9ffc No.14608560
>>14565865
If you substituted 'genes' for 'woggles' and had 'woggles' passed on via kissing, it would work in a game. You can literally simulate anything, based on whatever rules you want, in a game. Not critiquing evolution, but how stupid it is to praise the simplicity of simulating it, when there hasn't been a game that actually simulates passing on genes. They simulate a facsimile of the process.
f2f022 No.14608620
>>14608560
Natural Selection doesn't technically need DNA. Just a way for things to reproduce and for some form of random mutation.
What it shows is that natural selection works in any situation with those 2 requirements.
690e4d No.14608663
>>14608560
That can be said about literally any simulation software though. All simulators, be they fluid, weather, fire, disease, natural selection, they all abstract the actual process via a computer program that is designed to resemble the process as closely or effectively as possible.
Just because it isn't the "real thing", doesn't mean it isn't providing insight into how a real process works.
0bac4b No.14608731
>>14608620
It doesn't even require random mutation, actually. Just inheritable properties and different properties to show that those properties could, yes, be inherited.
05c469 No.14608796
Something doesn't seem right here, but I can't quite place it.
5f9ffc No.14608860
>>14608663
>Just because it isn't the "real thing", doesn't mean it isn't providing insight into how a real process works.
Yes, it does mean exactly that.
960af9 No.14608866
>>14607608
>>14607566
Sorry, some bullshit stemming from inexperience with deploying jars. This version works on my other machine - https://mega.nz/#!k1dhRIpQ!JgYMfNj90NXYK02Sv1098mrkjG537cXGe35a1D7tIhU
Try with Cyan set to 0 if you want to see 'intelligent' behavior.
f2f022 No.14609055
>>14608860
>Computer models can't tell you anything
Oh ok, tell that to the thousands of people and billions of dollars being spent on and coming from computer modeling to predict things.
260bf4 No.14609075
>>14608860
Anon are you literally underage or just incredibly stupid? You know engineers and scientists use computer models all the time to understand how something works right?
961e59 No.14609180
>>14609075
Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
e7ff94 No.14609288
>>14609180
Kek, you just posted a not scientist. You really don't know what you are talking about.
e7ff94 No.14609320
>>14609312
Yeah, reddit really worships the guy.
b364d2 No.14609367
>>14609288
>>14609320
>being a cuntrarian
Fucking lel. It's almost as if you believe in muh particle-wave duality.
e7ff94 No.14609412
>>14609367
Tesla isn't a bad person or anything. His fanbase just treats him like a god and is the go to for brainlets.
05c469 No.14609519
f2f022 No.14609574
>>14609180
>Substituted
No, they supplement, not substitute. Modern rocketry and vehicles likely couldn't exist without computer modeling. Modern science relies on computer modeling.
961e59 No.14609588
>>14609574
no, modern science has swayed off into theoretical science rather than empirical science.
rocketry and vehicles are engineering not sciences.
e26764 No.14609594
>people are still replying
>after (26) posts of pure bait
stop
f2f022 No.14609636
>>14609588
>Engineering doesn't require science
Also modern genetics wouldn't and couldn't work without computer modeling. Are you saying genetics isn't science?
961e59 No.14609707
>>14609636
if it cant work without computer modeling than its completely wrong since any arbitrary data could be its input.
>>14609636
There is a huge difference between empirical science and Theoretical science. all the information about science up to the 20th century was empirical science.
Black holes, string theory, particle-wave, these are theoretical sciences that have no basis in reality.
690e4d No.14609763
>>14609718
I swear I saw a creature with 156 kills once, but I didn't catch a screenshot. Here's the best I could find from my saves.
6978b6 No.14610096
Welp, my world is now dominated by near-unkillable tanks, only killed every so often by a stray super-speed whateverthefuck virus thing. I think this is the perfect form for a world with mostly plentiful CO2.
960af9 No.14610286
>>14607608
Since there's no mating, learning or modification in vanilla every non-mutated child is effectively a longer lifespan. A mutation rate of .01 will give even a creature with 64 segments the chance to produce identical offspring.
5a0a54 No.14610288
>>14610096
I let this one run for a few hours in the background, it seems to have reached equilibrium
e55a67 No.14610318
>>14607608
Longer lifespans push the population towards stagnation. Even with birth rates untouched, the mutated offspring have to compete against the more established adults and usually fail even if their mutations are more advantageous. Shorter lifespans give the offspring more room to compete and therefor creates stronger species.
Real natural selection basically selects against immortality this way. It makes me wonder what would happen if the selection weight were reversed. If through some (perhaps artificial) means longer and indefinitely lifespans were evolutionarily desirable is it possible that we might be effectively immortal ourselves? If it is possible that we might have evolved to be immortal if the conditions of selection were different is it possible that we might be able to design that state ourselves without relying on the natural process?
960af9 No.14610332
>>14610318
Yes anon, it's called eugenics, you're preaching to the choir.
41664b No.14610335
>>14610318
>Shorter lifespans give the offspring more room to compete and therefor creates stronger species.
That's stupid. Longer lifespans would only benefit those with intelligence. In the case of this simulator, where the creatures have no intelligence, extremely long life spans would just slow down natural selection to an incredibly slow crawl.
0c7674 No.14611309
>leave it running and go to sleep
>wake up to this
e55a67 No.14611318
>>14610332
I know what I'm talking about. The question I'm asking isn't "how do we do it", it's "can we accomplish this specific goal?" Is it possible for complex life (eg humans) to be biologically immortal through a selection process? If it IS possible with eugenics then it should be possible with genetic engineering.
e55a67 No.14611323
>>14610335
That's exactly what I said though
41664b No.14611362
>>14611323
You said:
>Even with birth rates untouched, the mutated offspring have to compete against the more established adults and usually fail even if their mutations are more advantageous.
Only applies with intelligent, or pattern-recognizing, beings. Also
>Longer lifespans push the population towards stagnation
Different from
>extremely long life spans would just slow down natural selection to an incredibly slow crawl
Stagnation won't happen. Immortal beings will kill each other. Room for change beyond allele variation is innate if mutation was a force. I imagine that immortal creatures ultimate competition would be their singular or collective ability to transform the environment to fit their needs.
05c469 No.14611399
>>14609718
>>14609763
I made a deathworld and here is the first set of top dogs.
Not pictured: the endless array of completely different critters that had 30+ kills.
f4480d No.14611418
>>14609718
Both most victims and most infected were not only very close to each other, but also relatively recently. Current time is 19666.
05c469 No.14611448
Also, here's a brief webm of what that deathworld actually looks like.
a10b0f No.14611461
have this wall of green that reproduces faster than it can get eaten/killed as its protected by a wall of corpses, (its some green yellow thing but they started to hook onto eachother with the 3 symetry and some hook shapes) absolutily dominant for the right 3rd of the map. (changed the world settings so i'm running a 2000 x 1000 world map) that is until some fucker thought it would be funny to mutate children with red barbs.
f2f022 No.14611960
>>14609707
Computer models are tested for validity but the initial model is required to make a useful hypothesis. Why am I explaining modern science to you?
>if it can't work without computers then it's completely wrong
So modern genetics and rocketry is completely wrong?
41664b No.14611979
>>14611960
Modern genetics is certainly open to reinterpretation.
688075 No.14612010
>>14609180
>Retard who doesn't even understand evolution thinks he understands science more than actual scientists or even the other anons in this thread
8ff53f No.14612040
>>14612010
>retarded anon keeps replying to baitposter, more news at 11
688075 No.14612041
>>14609707
>Black holes, string theory, particle-wave, these are theoretical sciences that have no basis in reality.
You are a fucking retard. No wonder you can't comprehend something as simple as Natural Selection.
8f20da No.14612395
>>14585678
How did you edit a creatures genetics?
a10b0f No.14612457
>>14612395
>click on creature
>Examine genetics
>ADD
>Remove
>Edit
>Copy to buffer
>Right Click on empty spot
>Paste
a10b0f No.14612532
>have the green explosion
>mainly green with red/grey tips with 7-8 sides
>very little movement at all most just plants bumping into each other from growth
>suddenly notic a new plant emerging
>green with yellow & no defense
>AWWW SHIT
>suddenly darts appear
>suddenly darts eat fucking everything
>mass extinction
>fug
8f20da No.14612553
>start new world
>everyone's a chill green bundle of lines, except for one organism
>it's flying around and killing everything
>click around to find an organism that hasn't been touched by the madness
>it's a fifth gen organism that seems to be doing its own thing
>I name it buddy
>struggle to watch buddy survive in a civil war
>everything that once was pure green now has red tips
>the genocidal organism is now a tool of destruction
>find out that it's actually related to buddy
7361c2 No.14612562
These fucking ebola crosses seem to have taken over
8f20da No.14612605
Aaaaaand everyone's dead.
8f20da No.14612672
Don't think anyone's gonna die at this stage, here. Better restart, I guess…
0c7674 No.14612723
The ecosystem has become a deadly hellscape of killer plants.
a10b0f No.14612726
>>14612672
hot shit are you me?
did we solve it?
plant with blue ring around it master race.
only have 2 species left darts and those plants but i'm starting to think that the blue rings cannot maintain themselves without the competiton from the darts. (killing off all the degenerates.) if there were only some way to purge them.
8f20da No.14612771
>>14612726
Perhaps i'm you, me.
0c7674 No.14612826
>>14612723
>look away for a minute
>all the plants have turned solid green
>With nothing to defend themselves the rape barbs will take over
And so the cycle repeats.
6978b6 No.14612942
>>14612726
Can confirm, this has happened no less than 4 times to me as well.
688075 No.14612970
>>14612933
>Someone who would be dead without vaccines complains about vaccines
I wish we would just let you brainlets die.
3ab3fd No.14613063
>>14542733
There is Simlife, which is kind of primitive but you can make your own custom sprites for the animals and plants
>>14542770
This also happens in Simlife unfortunately, as "immortal" is a lifespan option.
961e59 No.14613064
>>14611960
>>14612010
>>14612041
Regurgitating what you were told without understanding anything and telling someone that they are wrong for not understanding what you don't understand yourself and claiming you are intelligent for your regurgitated knowledge.
Any fool can put on a garb and proclaim they are intelligent, and have people follow what he says, but only the truly intelligent can see he is a fool in kings clothing.
0c7674 No.14613107
>>14613064
Good so you realize you're an idiot.
a2978e No.14613180
Surprised no one mentioned this classic.
Evolve 4.0 is an open source, freeware artificial life simulator created by Ken Stauffer. In its simulated 2D cellular automata, each cell can behave independently as a unicellular organism or potentially as one cell in a multicellular digital organism, growing, moving, eating, reproducing, and eventually even evolving over time.
Each cell runs its own program written in a custom programming language called KFORTH (portmanteau of "Ken's Forth"), based on the Forth programming language.
What really distinguishes this software is the KFORTH language, which acts as both neural programming and DNA by coding both cell behavior and structure.
The project homepage has since gone down but the software is open-source and mirrored on github: https://github.com/rubberduck203/Evolve
5f9ffc No.14613215
>>14613064
Don't expect to change the mind of faggots that think a simulation facsimile of a claimed process somehow gives insight into how that process works. It's on the level of a retard thinking that simulated fire which has coded procedures to mimic the way fire gives off light or spreads somehow tells you how fire works.
They lack the introspection to realize they are engaging in an elaborate circlejerk, or the irony that a simulation completely contrary to natural selection/evolution can also be made, and said simulation can be just as unfounded in reality.
a2978e No.14613277
>>14613215
fuck off to /sci/ with your pretentious monologue, we just want to play games that mimic evolution
93b461 No.14613382
>>14613064
You've watched Ken's videos. But you aren't yet knowledgable to understand.
f55497 No.14613387
>>14612532
I have the same thing, but more balanced. I got really, really tiny dart-like creatures that have evolved from the domininance of a species that surrounds itself with blue barriers. These darts are quick and small, and generally opportunistic. It feels like they know where the weak points of defected blue guys are and speed towards them. They also attack babies that haven’t grown enough for the blue to be along the perimeter. Now I have a rather balanced ecosystem of blue guys and short lived darts.
f2f022 No.14613437
>>14613215
>Don't expect to change the mind of faggots that think a simulation facsimile of a claimed process somehow gives insight into how that process works
It literally does. Modern Engineering, physics and genetics proves this. But go ahead agreeing with a creationist brainlet.
f2f022 No.14613450
>>14613064
>Regurgitating what you were told
You realize scientists can study evolution in a lab and in real life settings right? This is well documented and observed stuff that you are trying to claim isn't real.
6978b6 No.14613463
>>14613215
>things that aren't the things they represent sometimes lack all the nuances of those things
Thanks Einstein, I was wondering why a photograph didn't provide a full-sensory experience of the scene it pictured. At least you finally got me to take the bait.
688075 No.14613465
>>14613277
>Telling him to go to /sci/
He would just get laughed at and become even more salty.
6978b6 No.14613476
>>14613470
>242 swastika kills
Oy vey
688075 No.14613498
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14613215
I know you are too stupid to appreciate this but I figure other anons might.
Computer models explaining how cooperation evolved in Lichen. Computer models have also been shown to explain and show how proteins fold which has been seen as revolutionary in medicine.
05c469 No.14613505
where the fuck are the vols when you actually need them? ~100 posts, including a few of mine, completely off topic and still untouched
>>14613470
>100k oxygen
>greatest #children: 98
How are you managing this? My deathworld settings pop out 100+ on the regular and within t=50
f55497 No.14613555
>>14613505
Started this simulation hours ago with enough CO2 to keep a density off.005, which is the default density @ 1kx1k, and after I found things getting boring I just injected a fuckload of CO2. I did that before things got too stagnant so there was just an explosion of babies with mutations.
f55497 No.14613628
Looking through the thread, looks like two things will eventually happen for most people:
>domininance of blue barrier species because they’re immune to everything
>the small and really fast super predators capable of killing everything
62a595 No.14613667
>>14613628
I think the fault mainly lies with blue being OP. The only predators able to kill once blue shells appear are tiny, so that they can get into any cracks left in imperfect shells. Since these predators are small and fast they devour any blue shelled offspring that isn't blue shelled before they're able to breed.
I'd say there needs to be a color that only affects blue, so that blue's defense is no longer impenetrable, but still strong.
0c7674 No.14613699
>>14613628
The blue shells can only become dominant if you have the killers. They will only last as long as there are killers to eliminate any other competition.
Using the default settings you will usually oscillate between an long almost full green phase and then a rapid predator phase.
f55497 No.14613760
>>14613699
I got the blue shells before the killers. I think they evolved as the only predator that could penetrate them. A cool thing I’ve seen them do is give birth to single pixel babies that spawn inside the shell, past the blue barrier. Then they eat their way out.
6978b6 No.14614209
>>14613667
>I'd say there needs to be a color that only affects blue
I'd say that grey could be made to only affect blue without blowing up game balance too much. Grey itself is also pretty overpowered, and is the main reason dart-type organisms can devastate an entire world so fast. If grey didn't cost anything but hard-countered blue it would mean that darts wouldn't be as devastating to literally everything.
a10b0f No.14614293
>i think i need to be done
33ed38 No.14615329
>>14612672
>>14612726
>>14612942
Is green with blue shields basically the ultimate life form? My previous and current world both ended up that way. >>14605124
62a595 No.14615356
>>14615329
Yes. Blue is immune to everything and green slowly gathers up enough energy to reproduce. So long as the blue shell completely covers the cell it'll live long enough to gather enough energy to breed.
Aside from giving blue a weakness, I have no idea how to go about that, you could try lowering the lifespan to a level low enough that they wouldn't have time to gather needed energy to reproduce in their entire lifetime.
cab737 No.14616109
>>14615356
They’re weakness are the bees/darts/jets/ small fast creatures that are mostly gray and red lines.
a10b0f No.14616113
>>14615329
>>14615356
no plant's energy gain is tied to co2 on your level meaning that lower const plants will take over as soon as there is no need for the shell, also by tuning the mutation rate down and the life cycles up iv'e managed to get past the TOTAL BLUE DOMINANCE because my darts have taken a regular shape that seems specialized in cracking blue shells.
>my darts have gained a regular shape
>I Shit you not
>they grab onto((-ish "circle around?"))
>and if the radius of the blue shell is just right either the red point or the grey point clip thew the shell(s that have become quite regular)
>blues have started to develop square shells on the northern reaches of my map
d5ce7b No.14616767
>>14615329
>>14615356
The thing is, once there are no outside threats anymore, the blue shell will evolve away. Blue segments cost energy to upkeep and don't contribute to its survival in any way when there's nothing that can attack it. Therefore their offspring that replace the blue shell with green segments will gather energy faster and reproduce more rapidly, eventually outbreeding them.
a10b0f No.14617240
>>14616767
i mean you are right but my shell crackers fuck up shit without shells better but the shelled plants keep resisting the penetration and have now evolved to even better resist it by swapping from Spirals to squares, i'm not 100% sure that this game is done.
ffd185 No.14617983
This game is pretty. It would make a good screensaver, if those were still a thing.
ffd185 No.14618018
What annoys me though is that the organisms get less complicated over time. I like the asymmetrical and the overly complicated symmetrical ones that appear in the beginning.
6978b6 No.14619213
Holy fucking shit, I turned my mutation % down and the difference is insane. With 0.01% I'm getting bilaterally symmetrical hybrid photosynthetic/predators that zip around and try to eat each other.
d5ce7b No.14620733
>>14617240
The killer darts probably can't survive forever and will eventually go extinct (unless you've reached some kind of very atypical equilibrium). If/when they do, the blue shell will also eventually go away.
It would be extremely interesting if the world did actually stay the same indefinitely.
9d237f No.14621591
Why don't any AAA games use Natural Selection? It could work in any open world or simulator game.
ffd185 No.14622708
>>14619213
I set mine to 100% and my world immediately gets overrun with little flyers. I don't understand this game's obsession with literal lines.
766c26 No.14622946
>>14542852
Species is fun as hell, even if it is bug and crash ridden