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>>14487246

>Game uses Easy spyware that doesn't even detect cheats

Sweden needs to be nuked.

That motherfucker is Chakan

>>14487314

I would also like to into zealot. Currently i'm just trying to play around my passives and mulching with a flail. I got an amulet that stops me from healing myself but I get a bit of regen so I can cling to 15%-20% hp to keep my damage boons.

I feel like it works to a degree and i'm not really dying but i'm not getting those commendations post match so I feel like i'm maybe lacking I don't know.

Do I need to use mic if I play this game?

>>14487569

Not in my experience. It definitely helps though.

>>14487314

I've been using bounty hunter talent tree for that attack speed bonus, I've been rotating between rapier, axe and falchion.

No ratfuckers allowed

>>14487605

yet here I am

>>14487645

Prove it

So I'm literally just walking along, no enemies in sight, no wounds, and I just fall dead for no reason. Second time in the same mission but the first one could be blamed on glitched fall damage: I died to a 3 meter drop on pathable terrain.

>>14487584

It was a LOT worse when the open beta was going. Plus once you’ve got some mid-high tier gear you can carry the shittier members.

>>14487678

This has been a bug since alpha;

>>14487713

Ah that's fine then. Bugs are okay if they were in the game since the beginning :^)

>>14487674

>>14487713

>>14487678

I was playing the fort level the other day and we reached the point were you drop down near the third tome, and three of us instantly died from a five foot drop. It was hilarious.

>>14487605

Thats the spirit, purge skaven.

>>14487584

May I pose a guess?

At least a few of them decided it would be a good idea to try and grab tomes (not to bad) and grimores (pure cancer) without any co-ordination or forethought because 'the phat lootz' for recruit difficulty on a level 4 character?

the last thread isn't on page 13 yet >>14472200

>>14487584

I have to switch to ironbreaker dwarf just to carry shitters sometimes. Fortunately I like playing ironbreaker with axe and shield, satisfying as fuck, but goddamn these people are bad. It's especially depressing when I get most damage dealt.

>>14487966

better call mark and lay a holocaust on this thread then

>>14488022

I'm leveling up my witch hunter right now and I'm loving it. Rapier + repeater crossbow + tagging means bosses go down real quick. I consistently get most damage on bosses and lots of elite kills. My only issue is avoiding damage when my team mates can't keep the horde off balance since my shove isn't very strong and dodging only works about half the time. I definitely miss having Markus's shoving.

>>14487997

as if, the only thing that gets "enforced" on this site anymore is rule 8 the "I don't like you so I'll ban you" rule

>>14487584

Bounty Hunter with the repeater crossbow and (rapier/axe/falchion/flail for lols) of your choice is more than capable of soloing missions or at least doing ~70% of the work.

Just try and find a competent buddy to queue with.

>>14488022

Hey, question I had on that healing. If someone goes down and is on temp hp, that heal doesn't reset the down count does it?

>>14488059

Only healing items or talents that specifically say they cure wounds help with that.

>>14488064

I figured not but wanted confirmation, thanks for the answer.

Also unrelated. I absolutely love the side pistol for the rapier.

>>14488054

Yeah I just made a volley crossbow for my bounty hunter after using a brace of pistols for a while and it's hands down better. The reload time is more than made up for by the fact that you can always move at full speed while shooting rapidly, not to mention you also get more ammo AND a triple shot.

>>14488073

The volley xbow with level 15 talent means you're incapable of running out of ammo if you're playing him properly- weaving in and out of melee range firing crit volleys.

Do not use the reddit blaster repeater pistol. It's the volley bow, but shitty.

>>14488099

Yeah I just figured out in the last mission I played that you can use his blessed shot and free ammo talent on the triple shot, which blew my mind a little bit.

>>14487532

What staff for wizard? I used the firestorm one but at champion there is too much splash damage and my retarded teammate can't seen to understand that jumping in it is bad.

>>14487246

What about dwarves, I'm not sure I trust them either.

>>14488064

I find that healing a team mate will also reset the death counter while you are wearing the regeneration amulet. I don't know if this is intentional or not.

What is the best melee weapon for Sienna, sword or mace?

>>14488191

I've never seen a bad dwarf player. I've seen bad Siennas, bad Saltzpyres, bad Krubers and terrible elves. But every dwarf I've seen has been an asset to the team.

>>14488256

The basic sword. It has wide sweeps and crowd control so it is good for killing large groups of clanrats when you are overheating. Just spam the power attack repeatedly since it swings pretty fast and knocks them all back at the same time.

>>14488214

You wouldn't trust a mayfly would you?

>>14488279

I've seen plenty of bad dwarves, they just don't stand out as much because they're effectively just a latent tumor or something. No damage, no actual special killing, just a passive little ball that rolls around with the team. 800 total damage dealt, 150 taken.

I guess that's better than the level 6/level 30 elf same shit that doesn't revive shit and dies instantly, but still.

>>14488283

Thanks

>>14488214

>triggered lambahfat

>>14488279

>>14488298

I still can't figure out how to play dwarf worth a damn. Far as I can tell ALL his melee weapons suck shit against hordes and he's not exactly a ranged character either.

>>14488183

bolt and beam staves are the best ones. It's not written anywhere but with beam you click right mouse while holding m1 and it delivers like a crit sniper shot. It's hard to explain unless you do it and the animation is a bit jank.

>>14488298

Hey, as long as they don't die alone and a mile away and revive the people who do the killing I have no real complaints.

>>14488318

I've not played much as the dwarf, but from what I've seen Ironbreakers are for tanking and keeping the horde knocked down, Rangers are pretty decent with pistols or flareguns (which overheat instead of using ammo) and Slayers are little angry beards that leap into battle and murder everything in the immediate area. I'd say Ironbreakers are the most useful of the three, if only because when playing with pubs who can't block or dodge worth a shit keeping them alive means more damage output.

>>14488318

How terrible are you? All of his melee weapons are excellent against hordes.

Great axe is good at both killing hordes and tough enemies, the light attacks deal a ton of damage and are all armor piercing. Axe and shield isn't as good at killing hordes but it doesn't really matter since you can use your shield shove to knock down everything in a 180 degree (270 if you get that ironbreaker talent) arc and plant your axe in their face at your own leisure, or just use the shield bash strong attack. And like the great axe, the light attacks are armor piercing and allow you to take out armored foes with ease. Hammer and shield offers ultimate crowd control, if you're playing with bads you should pick this. The war pick is similar to the great axe but faster and with the attack roles switched (light attacks are good for hordes, strong is good for armored foes).

As for his ranged, I usually just pick a crossbow so I can easily save people who get grabbed.

>>14488318

shotgun

>>14488346

Forgot to mention that obviously you should use great axe strong attacks to cleave through hordes, feels like cutting the grass.

>>14488366

That's what I'm using currently. As far as I can tell it's the only weapon that cleaves worth a damn and even then only with the slow as shit strong attacks. It's too slow and you end up getting stunlocked yourself if you don't have the right momentum, then you are just fucked, 100 to dead regardless of HP or armor.

>>14488339

The drakegun (flamethrower) and drakefire pistols are ironbreaker only, ranger can't use them.

>>14488394

>The drakegun (flamethrower) and drakefire pistols are ironbreaker only, ranger can't use them.

Well shit, goes to show what I know about dwarfs. I really should play with him. Maybe playing with pubs will be less frustrating.

>>14488394

You don't need to charge your strong attack up all the way for it to do the cleaving, almost all of the time you don't want to charge it up all the way in fact. If you get the rhythm right you shouldn't have any problems getting stunlocked. If you miss the timing and get hit just shove and you should be fine to get a quick cleave off and start your rhythm again.

>>14488467

devs with a subreddit always cave to some whiny nigger who types out a soap that gets heaps of votes

>>14488500

>Today, I was triggered when those loud and obnoxious lumberfoots scored more kills than my superior elven bow using their crude blackfire weapons. Also, this game promotes gun violence.

how long until this game is labelled racist because of the 'black rat' comments whenever the characters see a Stormvermin

>>14488500

The only time they don't listen is when people want an elf nerf.

>>14488318

I've been running him as a tank build. Shield and hammer (axe would be better, but I dont have a good one), flame pistols (what they lack in raw power, they make up spammibility), and the talents that grant health when your passive negates damage and when you kill enemies.

I can just throw myself at hordes and tank them rather easily. Spam flame pistols to take out dangerous enemies from a distance or to thin waves before they reach me then switch to the shield, swinging and bashing as needed. Shotgun and flamethrower are both options for dealing with hordes, but I feel limited range is too big a hindrance. You need to be able to deal with ranged specials like the gunners and blightstormers because random retards sure as fuck can't be relied on to do it.

>>14488441

I think they're fine if you're not using them as a major source of damage. Not needing to reload is a huge boon you only ever whip them out to snipe specials. They're fucking terrible if you want to make them your BH weapon though.

>>14488500

When the fuck will devs learn and just ignore reddit? It's been known for years that place is manipulated and controlled by the biggest blue-pilled faggots the internet has to offer, you will never get an honest and open conversation on that wretched place, about any topic.

>>14488536

crossbow works better for special sniping

>>14488546

>It's been known for years…

It's only known in places like this, anon. Talking about that in Reddit is likely to get you a ban or a shadowban. Only recently has the topic of shills and mods controlling the narrative reached normalfag ears, and I don't think they're really paying it much attention.

>>14488554

You have to reload a crossbow between each shot so not really.

>>14488563

Hope its in the second DLC, at least.

even if it makes me afraid of impact in future discussions

>>14488570

That's some really strange stuff you're saying anon.

My take on the meta from what I've seen is pyro sienna with concentration pots and crit stacking for boss damage, BH victor for stormvermin/crowd control/boss damage, auxillary, elf for crowd control and special sniping due to loltrueflight and lolinfiniteammoat25, kruber for stunning/reviving as foot knight or mercenary. Can be swapped with Bardin.

>>14488570

>Only they dont seem to realise it's just soyboys and mindless cosmetic pack/ lootbox drones.

If the steam forums can be a sample of the soy, shit is fucked, theres already some bitching about "toxic players" and how the devs should "fix" this.

>>14488568

It should only take one shot to take them out. If not, you need to work on your aim.

>>14488611

And when there's two of them at once you're fucked. There's very little the crossbow does that the pistol doesn't do better. More ammo, faster firing, no reload. The only thing the pistols lack is a bit of penetration, which is rarely an issue, and maybe a bit of damage, but both do redundant amounts of damage anyways in most cases.

>>14488671

The pistols are significantly less accurate than the crossbow, have less carried ammo (cucking ranger bardin/hobo kruber out of ammunition is not a smart idea), lack armor penetration, lack ENEMY penetration for thinning out hordes, and only really are useful for emergencies- which is strange, because you're effectively consigning yourself to melee-only when you could be using your ranged weapon to snipe specials/stormvermin/chaos warriors ahead of time to rack up more damage.

I really want you to be correct, but you're not.

>>14488671

>>14488684

Repeater crossbow is better anyway. Why bet on one good shot when 3 will do the trick and leave you with 12 more ready to go? Also the spread shot is great for when you need to delete a wave of enemies or unload into a boss. Regular crossbow is good for sniping at least. If pistols had much more ammunition then I'd consider taking them but right now they're really bad. Which is a shame because they look badass.

>>14488684

Crossbow has 15 total carried shots < 20 pistols.

Pistols absolutely have armor pen, not sure if it's the same amount of armor pen, but it punches through storm vermin and gunner armor just fine. Unless the crossbow can bodyshot through rot helm armor, they don't have a significant difference in armor pen.

Crossbow is more accurate at a distance, but becomes crazy inaccurate while moving. Meanwhile the pistols barely lose accuracy while moving.

Forget about shooting the crossbow from the hip at distance. You have to take a second to aim that shit if you wan't to hit something more than 30ft from you reliably. Pistols don't have that problem.

Furthermore, the distances where the finer distance accuracy becomes necessary rarely occur. Most specials spawn well within effective range of the pistols.

For hordes I'm not using my ranged weapon unless I'm a bounty hunter in which case why the fuck aren't you using the repeating crossbow.

And finally, checking back on it, the pistols actually do a lot more damage than the crossbow does in range. Like 30% more damage. Crossbow has less range fall off, but the range where they become equivalent is plenty long enough for most special spawns.

The pistols do exactly what they're supposed to do, be a rapid switch side-arm for when you need to take out that mook at a distance NOW. Crossbow is fine and dandy for taking shit out in advance, it's quieter after all, and that is something the game takes into account, but it takes way too long to whip out, aim, fire, and reload to be useful in the middle of battle. Also it's dogshit for piling damage on the boss. Pistols don't do it as well as the repeating crossbow, but they do a hell of a lot better job than the regular crossbow does.

>>14488736

That's not to say I think they don't need a buff though. I think every salty ranged weapon except the repeating crossbow needs some help. I just don't think it's as bad as you guys are making it out to be.

>>14488736

But you're not supposed to shoot from the hip at distance with the crossbow, you take a second to line up the shot.

Like I said earlier, the pistol's base accuracy was heavily lowered from VT1. There is a tangible difference in the pistols' effective range and that of the crossbow, both in medium range (where the pistols should be usable, but are way more likely to miss when it counts) and long range.

On top of that, you mention that it's too slow to swap and shoot- I haven't noticed this at all. Its running accuracy is dismal but it also means at close range i.e. when you'd also be using the pistols you're just as likely to land a shot on a gutter runner/gunner/packmaster/etc with significantly more damage, often flat out one-shotting the special even on Legend. The pistols require more shots per kill.

I will cede that the bow has less ammo than the pistols, was thinking about the closed beta for some reason.

I'm in the same boat with you- I want all his ranged weapons to be viable for their own niche. Just increasing their capacity to 30 for regular, 45 for bounty hunter would make them completely useful. Lower than VT1 because sources of attack speed are much easier to come across (zealot charge actually does buff your shooting speed, from what i've seen), but still enough to clear out a horde and have rounds to spare. Buff the accuracy back to VT1 and they'd be fine.

But right now, they're just either too much of a wild card or too inefficient for ammunition.

>>14488712

Repeater crossbow is god tier, but when you don't have guaranteed crits the damage it deals isn't enough at long/medium range for sniping. The lack of a zoom can be a bit of a minus, but I do fine without.

>>14488783

>But you're not supposed to shoot from the hip at distance with the crossbow, you take a second to line up the shot.

That's part of my issue with it. That could be a second I don't have time for. That's a second I don't need to spend with the pistols.

>you mention that it's too slow to swap and shoot- I haven't noticed this at all.

It's a matter of needing to plant your ass and aim down sights in order to land an accurate shot compared to whipping a pistol out and just fragging that charlie from the hip. Even when you manage to do that, the crossbow still needs to be reloaded before it can be fired again so you either have to take the time to do that in the middle of battle, which leaves you vulnerable for a period of time, or deal with having only one shot until after the battle is taken care of. If you only have one nasty dude to kill per battle that's fine but if there's more than one high-value target, and that happens often, then it's a difficult decision to make. Either you're vulnerable for an extra second or two, or you let someone else take care of it. That's a decision that the pistols don't have to make.

>Its running accuracy is dismal but it also means at close range i.e. when you'd also be using the pistols you're just as likely to land a shot on a gutter runner/gunner/packmaster/etc with significantly more damage, often flat out one-shotting the special even on Legend.

The pistols one shot shit on legend all the time, and like I pointed out earlier, the pistols actually do more damage at closer ranges than the crossbow. The pistol damage only starts to fall off around 50ft, and becomes equivalent to the crossbow at about 100ft. Most times when you need that special dead fast they are well within that 100ft window. If you were trying to snipe him from further away, then sure the crossbow is better, but that's not something that happens often. You don't usually get the jump on the specials that far in advance and many stages don't have wide open areas to take advantage of that in the first place. Even then, the crossbow isn't so much better than the pistols that I find it would make a significant difference. It's typically three pistol shots in fairly rapid succession at extreme ranges opposed to that one crossbow shot. And at that range the special is probably not an immediate threat anyways.

You have the right idea for buffs though. You are thinking exactly as I am with the pistol ammo capacity. I would just add that the crossbow needs to do a lot more damage, and it really should if it's so much slower to fire than the pistols. The crossbow is supposed to be the specialty sniping weapon, but my issue with it is that I find the pistols do almost as good of a job as it does, but with virtually none of the drawbacks.

>>14488441

Off topic a bit, but do you have a source for that reaction pic anon?

>>14488318

2H hammer charged attack, clears hordes no issues.

Shotgun for taking out skaven at range.

>>14489034

ah thought maybe it was from a regular manga not the H ones. Thanks for the info though.

>>14489034

>heels not touching ground

fake slav detected.

Just got the game. Which class is most fun?

What melee weapon is preferred for Elf? I'm torn between spear, glaive and 2h sword.

>>14489341

He'd need some serious heels for that as there's at least 3-5 cm of distance between top of the border he's squatting on and the ground.

>>14489383

Well it's not as terrible as Handmaiden at least. "Murderous Prowess" is useless, a critical hit from behind will probably kill any "man sized" target anyway, especially with her Assassin's Blade passive. Assassin's blade increases damage from behind by 50% (all targets, no crit required), and there's a talent that increases that bonus to 100%. At that point she basically gets headshot bonuses by attacking a bosses ass.

>>14489423

Spear is best for crowd control, Glaive is OK for crowd control and best for killing armored enemies. You can kill Chaos Warriors and stormvermin with it fairly easily without needing to hit the head. I recommend the Spear until you hit level 25, at which point you can take the ammo on special talent and use your bow for crowd control and glaive much more sparingly.

Just forget about the 2h sword. Everything that isn't Glaive or Spear is trash. The reason Spear is so amazing is that it has unlimited penetration. It can hit any number of targets and does not lose damage for each target hit, that plus high speed and long reach means you can murder hordes without getting touched. As far as I know, none of her other weapons have that same unlimited penetration, but glaive at least has it's use for armor instead.

>>14489412

You're absolutely retarded, unlimited arrow shooty elf is great for special killing and does decent damage on bosses too.

>>14489421

Sienna is kinda weak without levels, but once you hit 20 on her and have temporary hp to burn for OC discharge she catches up. Otherwise everyone's pretty fun in their own way.

For starters I recommend going Dwarf, picking up a drakegun and making some rat BBQ, ain't nothing like it.

>>14489423

I find Glaive excellent for mindless swinging, and its charge attacks autoheadshot anything dangerous. Just remember to LMB once after your charge to get the big swing.

You'll need a bit of attack speed to make glaive feel decent though, otherwise it's mediocre against hordes.

Spear is great against hordes if they're in a narrow funnel, otherwise it's not really special outside of its range.

I have no idea why the 2H sword exists, dual sword seems to do everything better except reach. Maybe someone else can fill you in on this.

>>14489435

Tested again and the spear pokes go through all three targets at full damage. I must have just had the dummies set up poorly before when it was only working against two.

The swipe (every 4th hit) works like most other weapons. It doesn't seem to have a target limit, but every target hit takes less damage than the previous. The pokes however do exactly the same damage to all targets hit, a property not very many other weapons in the game share. Again, considering the Spear's relatively high damage, long reach, and fast speed, it is THE best crowd control melee weapon in the game, for ANY character.

>Do screaming bell

>Rat ogre spawns right at the end of the bell-breaking sequence, after the horde's gone

>He gets stuck into a running animation against the wall while we whack at him

I love it when the bugs are credit to team.

All around the game feels more fun than VT1 and I haven't even reached the new classes and perks yet. It just feels better designed and more fair overall, though the bosses could use to be a bit less tanky.

Did Fatshark fixed Foot Knight Kruber's Protective Presence 20% buff?

Why do people grab the grimoire before the scripted boss fight in Against the Grain?

Is it too hard to wait until after?

IT'LL STILL BE THERE LATER YOU FUCKTARDS

>>14489725

Most likely it's like that because whole team will just proceed through the level instead of going back for grimoire.

>>14489748

Had 3 people on the team say wait until after the boss and the elf picked it up anyway.

I can't believe that.

I noticed a glitch where the elf had died and was tied up and as we were making our way towards her she was getting credit for my special kills.

I wonder if the elf is just getting random credit for other peoples kills in the end game stats.

How much damage does venting Overcharge on Sienna do?

>>14489588

Bosses aren't that tanky if people use their skills and weapons right. I can easily deal half health to a boss by myself as a bounty hunter if I use my skill and all my volley bolts.

>>14488588

>not 2nd edition

What are you gay? Why the fuck would you not play an RPG which tells you about setting details like belt taxes and wearing a weapon in towns bigger than a short sword is illegal? Seriously the setting material in 2nd ed is incredible

>>14489910

maybe 1/12th or 13th of ur bar, just test it out.

>>14489811

Spear isn't better. It bounces on armor and deals with hordes badly if they aren't funneled.

The upside is that its piss easy to aim for a headshot, so you don't have any reason to bounce off armor in the first place. It also seems to have bonus damage on crits, like dual daggers, so maybe if you're a crit build it can put out a lot more damage.

Glaive is so braindead easy I expect a nerf like they did in VMT1, where they drop the max targets of its normals to 2 and basically killed it.

>>14489725

If you’re playing on recruit assume that your team doesn’t know anything and be vocal with tips. Don’t back seat game, but just tell them what does what or how to fight things.

>>14488546

>get nervous of all this talk of devs looking to reddit for balancing notes

>check reddit

>holy shit this layout is terrible

>all the threads are just defending the Elf or riding her cock

It’s amazing how they managed to fit the stereotype. Anyways, at least they aren’t talking about gameplay.

>>14490633

Anyone crying about ranged classes is a retard though. If i wanted to play V1 I'd play V1, which was just a slightly re-imagined L4D2 with loot. When every thread about balance is from kiddies who cant even do a Champ run i just cant take it seriously.

Will there ever be a mod to make Victor into a cutie?

>>14490678

Since mod tools are on the way I would assume so.

>>14488500

>>14488546

>swedish numale devs

>reached out to steam to remove "offensive" reviews about migrant (((crisis)))

>expecting them not to catter to reddit niggercattle

>>14490670

again, thankfully from what I saw that isn't the case as of now. It's fucked up because the ranged classes are far from breaking the game. Really it feels pretty balanced at the moment between melee and ranged.

>>14490728

The pyromancer however is hideous and should be modded to be fuckable.

>>14490764

Agreed perhaps when they release the modding tools somebody can make a model of her in her prime.

>>14490764

Isn't the point that she's a gross old witch? the skaven on the other hand, should all be made into cute girls

>>14490786

Not the kind I was talking about. And it's creepy for the same reason those people who do anime cosplay with those masks are, it's right in the uncanny valley.

>>14490780

I never actually played her in VT1 because she one of my friends called dibs on her hard and always took her on missions. Just completed a run with her and it feels weird to rely on range so much in this game but the mechanics are nice and she's great for ranged specials.

>>14490714

> This is elementary fucking programming.

They have diversity courses instead of elementary programming everywhere west of

>>14490900

West of Oder*

Whoops.

>>14490894

Just happened to me, maybe steam fucking up?

>>14490894

Also got that a short while ago. I was in the lobby anyway so thought nothing of it, but I guess one of the servers shit itself.

Oh shit new patch, maybe that's it.

>>14490913

They finally fixed Unchained, took them long enough, the faggots.

>>14490913

>>14490916

Where are the patch notes? Only finding old ones.

>>14491056

http://steamcommunity.com/games/552500/announcements/detail/1656635407222041992

>>14490979

Repetitive gameplay aside, the devs did a good job representing Nurgle on this, it`s the one chaos god that doesn`t get a lot of love.

>>14491086

Nurgle gets his decent share of representation. The one that always gets left out in vidya is Slaanesh, presumably because despite being the god of excess it's been memed into being the god of dickgirls and drug-infused tentacle rape orgies. I wish a dev would come along that realizes that excess takes many forms, not just sex.

Still no fucking host migration, and the propensity for the game to crash is making for an aggravating time.

greatsword and longbow are the best weapons for elf. prove me wrong.

>>14491409

shortbow spammer master race

>>14491409

Does greatsword even have arguments going for itself? Glaive cleaves through crowds just fine and wrecks armored shitters. I'm not too sure about bows but hagbane seems the most polyvalent.

>>14491444

I didn't like the glaive very much. I think the greatsword's swing arc and range is better but I'm not certain. the charged poke is glorious for tanky things.

>>14491444

Nope 2h swords are autistic, boring and useless.

The fucking shield/sword has a 3-attack chain animation for its CHARGED attack.

>>14491409

You're wrong by default for playing elf you fag.

>>14491470

feels good playing the single attractive character in the game

>>14491482

>being attracted to bugs

>>14491470

I was a Saltzpyre main in VT1 and still very much like him here, but elf definitely got way fucking more useful in 2. Having regenerating health in a L4D clone is simply invaluable. I don't doubt for a second this is meaningless in the higher difficulty meta, but she's definitely got more worth than "the only cute character" now.

>>14490419

Spear works great on hordes even if they aren't funneled. It has a deceptively wide arc even for pokes and it's so fast you could hit enemies one at a time and still be effective. Armor is its weakness, and it's not as easy to headshot with as it appears.

>>14491409

>not Glaive+Repeater Crossbow

>>14491788

No, crits are crits. You can tell when they happen by the orange/yellow trail when you swing your melee weapon, or the red trail of an arrow/bolt, or the louder and deeper gunshot on a gun.

>>14491788

Health on kill is the obvious choice. Even with a full crit build health on crit never does as much. It MIGHT be good at higher difficulty on certain characters who can't clear horde (and therefor don't get many kills), but it's mostly useless.

Reset overheat on skill use is insanely good, but there are still some people who would prefer cooldown reduction instead.

>>14491813

It's less about the elf being attractive than it is about every other character being deliberately ugly.

You can bet your ass elf wouldn't be nearly as popular with shitters if Sienna was a 5/10 rather than a 1.

>>14491828

I keep telling the newfags, but they won't listen. Most people are supposed to be ugly and rugged in Warhammer Fantasy outside of Dark Elves, and spin off games and shit, it's just the aesthetic of the setting. It's supposed to give the characters more, well, character. For some reason the Vermintide team is very good at capturing the aesthetic of Warhammer Fantasy, whereas the team on say, Total Warhammer made some changes.

>>14491832

That's fanart. It's good fanart, but it's still fanart.

>>14491848

Nigger, do you really think there needs to be an intricate understanding of warhammer lore to understand the game is ugly on purpose? Anyone can tell this is a grimdark sort of deal, from reddit to 8ch. However, there exists a primal need to play the cute girl no matter where you're from, and no matter what you're playing. Hence wanting to play as the only remotely cute character in this game.

>>14491898

I never understood it personally, I mean I get the part about liking cute girls but I don't understand why you'd want to do it Warhammer, specifically. I especially don't get why you'd want to replace the rats with cute girls so you can cleave their torsos in half by the handful, which is what many people in these threads seem to want.

Now a Daemonette special enemy that jumps on top of you in a lewd manner and kills you, that I could understand.

>>14491152

>>14491505

I'd add that the regen allows for some interesting synchronization with traits & team roles. Regen to 50% means that even if you eat shit from some freak angle, a stormvermin running attack through a mob, or whatever else, and there's not much healing to go around, you'll have an acceptable HP cap to go on up into Champion- with high curse resistance, this applies even with grimoires- and thus allows you to be healing independent. That means drafts & bandages go to others, making just a bit less overall supply use. Combine this with Hand of Shallya, and you can heal the more substantial damage of your team while bumping yourself back up past the 50% regen mark. Select your melee weapon of choice- by which I mean, inevitably the spear or glaive unless you're experimenting, personally I go spear with two stamina boost necklace because it allows for modest push attack spam when LMB spam isn't enough to control horde inflow- and the longbow, and you become a decent jack-of-all-trades team medic grim carrier with both waveclear & special clearing ability.

With a little tome jumbling you can be the last man with a free med slot and one grimoire, meaning that grim will be well-preserved by your own attrition resistant HP and you will be able to monopolize & control good bandage use by simply saying 'hey let me do the bandaging for you, I've got the selfheal trait' when you come up to medical supplies, and prioritizing the wounded, the reckless, or the other grim carrier as needed. Drafts meanwhile go to whoever needs them, you always have a bandage on hand where possible, and everyone including you stays in the relative green. It's very helpful on half-rando teams on Veteran & Champ; haven't tried Legendary yet, and it probably wouldn't hold up there. But Elf does work, and maybe isn't outright outclassed until Legend, where I presume utility is everything and know that taking hits at all is more anathema than it already is on Champion. Previously, I was running with Hand of Shallya on mercenary Kruber with a warhammer, and while that worked quite well, using the same traits on elf works even better in the support realm, and being able to plink with relative abandon from a 40 arrow store is very valuable both for stormvermin, specials, and taking pressure off the melee line if a really big horde is pushing in from one angle so the others can be checked as well.

>>14491982

I dont see why people use glaive over greatsword. it just felt like shit

>>14492016

Glaive is armor piercing, greatsword isn't.

>>14492016

it can oneshot blackrats, two shot warriors on body and oneshot on head, melt bosses with its 3 hit combo and its swing is good for hordes.

With the success of this game and Total Warhammer (constant best seller on Steam), why can't GW just move back to WHFB?

Are they that dumb?

>>14492081

But none of those iterations of her look ultra-explicitly like a transvestite mulatto and they're also missing the widows' peak. The last two kind of edge towards it but are too pale or too human looking respectively. Unlike that thing above.

>>14492091

I assume you mean instead of age of sigmar. I still prefer 40k either way. If only space hulk deathwing was actually good.

Just a reminder that it is in the Warhammer cannon that the reasons the Eldar don't reproduce is because they are so sensitive to pleasure that they would instantly become addicted to sex. In other words, if you raped an Eldar she would instantly become addicted to your dick.

>>14492143

I prefer WHFB due to better aesthetics.

>>14492160

If that's all then why not start an artificial breeding program, no sex required?

>>14492160

It's a good thing eldar are ugly and not at all sexy

>>14492091

This is a company that takes pride and openly admits that it doesn't do any market research. That should answer your question for you.

>>14492143

I was looking forward to Deathwing but it came out to negative reception and died almost immediately. Was the game itself bad or was it just the fact that it ran terribly on most PCs?

>>14492242

it was bad

>>14492245

>>14492242

It was generic mainly. Much more simplistic than Vermintide. Also fairly trivial to beat solo on legendary

>>14492266

You still have an elf on your team.

>>14492242

its just generic. There isn't anything really standout about it and Vermintide actually is a bit more interesting in terms of combat feel. It needs something else happening to pull crowds. It isn't a poorly built game and it would fall under 'fun with friends' but alone, it has nothing.

>>14492255

you had to unlock stuff in multiplayer and it would only stay unlocked in the campaign you're on and if you dropped at all you'd loose everything you worked for. your progression in single player didn't count what so ever.

>>14492242

It would maybe be kept alive by wh40k autists from the visuals alone, but it was pretty much unplayable. Too many bugs, crashes, absolutely nothing of value was fixed with the beta. Maybe I'd bother to play through the issues, but it was pretty barebones. It might feel cool to be a Terminator going through the halls of a Space Hulk for a few mintues, but it doesn't exactly provide much variety in any regard. It often crashed while loading a game which took aeons, and if it didn't crash while doing so, it crashed a few minutes into the game. I've spent more time starting the game than playing, so I refunded.

>>14492207

Craftworld Eldar aren't as technologically advanced as their empire was at its peak, the Dark Eldar have artificial breeding I'm pretty sure.

>>14492291

They have been teasing a supposedly fixed version for a while now but they haven't released it yet. I'd advise anyone to pirate it before thinking about giving money for it.

>>14488563

I, for one, would love to see either a Saurus or Skink character.

Or, even better, both. Particularly if you play as the Saurus character and his ult involves a chameleon skink appearing and doing something for you, as well as providing most of the character banter amongst the player characters small direct commands.

>>14492271

>>14492291

>>14492255

That's shitty. 40k games have been through a rough patch recently with Deathwing, DoW3, and EC all being flops. Though I suppose it was far more predictable the latter two would be shit so at least nobody with any sense got their hopes up for those.

>>14492334

Yeah, I'm not very big on eldar lore, the idea that fullborn dark eldar act smug to half-born is great though.

>>14492341

the issue is that GW want devs to make a WH version of X game which only works in a very limiting sense

>Warhammer fantasy.

>The lesser known and lesser liked franchise of the two.

>Has the best games.

>Got an MMO.

>Got multiple strategy games.

>A horde shooter.

>Two triple A RTS games within the span of a few years.

Compare that to…

>No good RTS since 2004.

>No good FPS game

>All the good games considered good are from the 90's

How the fuck did this happen.

>>14492414

Guess Age of Sigmar was a price for all the games Fantasy is getting for now.

>>14492414

Well if we had more interaction than 'Purge Xeno Filth' for 125% of all interactions with other factions you might be able to tell a half decent story in the 40k universe. As it is one person on a planet accidentally farts during the mandatory Masturbate to the Emperor Hour and the planet gets glassed.

>>14492444

I assume "Vault" is Legendary? Or is it just champion? I'd like to see what the loot from an emperor's legendary looks like. If they are smart it would commonly have high-end cosmetics, because there's no reason to do legendary for power level.

>>14492414

I would say that it is because fantasy was always a not so serious rip off of Tolkien. In that I mean every faction has some outlandish and exaggerated nonsense to it. The Empire regularly has one of their gods become an avatar mid battle to smack the shit out of its enemies. The dwarves don't give a shit and have fuck huge mohawk slayers. The elves split into three factions with one being America if they were elves, forest sprites that kidnap french children to turn into traps and murder fuck elves that raid cities using giant floating fortresses. Orcs are orcy and Chaos is chaotic. This thread is also about a game featuring one of the most hilariously incompetent factions in the franchise. 40K takes itself far too seriously far too much, with the main writers having their heads so far up their asses they could smell their own breath.

>>14492477

forgot to add to the beginning because I rewrote it. You can do a lot more fun things with the setting, such as murder football.

>>14492470

Dark Eldar and Tau would work because both work with other xenos, but 40k has to be all space marines all the time.

>>14492470

>what is fire warrior

>>14492471

Vaults are only Legendary Difficulty.

Chests are Champion. You are looking at it my man.

I am basking in the wealth of 3 reds right now.

>>14492517

Reds, or oranges? I wanted to see the loot not the chest

>>14492517

lucky cunt, 3 level 30s and not a single red

>>14492530

That is a red my dude. This was a red from the chest.

>>14492533

Theres no luck to it. Just beat legend over and over and they come.

Exterminate with Saltz's Holy Ultimate or Elfs Trueflight, any player that hinders it and then kick them. Rinse, repeat, and bask in the screams of the casual who shall not know such wonders.

>>14492559

Just show me the stat block you turd

>>14492584

alright, let me finish this legend run first.

so you guys are clearly further ahead than me, a few questions, are there any better weapons for kruger than polearm/executioner sword, and what level should i start doing champion over veteran, lvl 17 atm.

Also any tips on how to git gud i haven't already figured out yet would be nice

>>14492606

mace and shield is Kruger's shit

>>14492559

I can run legendary but not got a red yet, although can only run it with my friends since pubbies are still retarded.

>>14492606

I wouldn't bother running Champ until you at least get over the 200 loot power cap from Vet. Then you can start on legendary once you cap out at 300.

>>14492624

i think i havent tried mace and shield yet, will keep in mind thanks

>>14492640

is the 200 limit the actual gear power score itself? im getting the 110s at the moment

>>14492703

https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/warhammer-vermintide-2

here's your discount

>>14492707

That's not good enough for a ultra kike like me.

>>14492711

But anon, the only good thing for a kike is a gas chamber.

>>14492696

So it has identical stats to an orange, just a unique skin? Shitty, I was hoping for some kind of extra power.

>>14492677

200 is the cap on the actual gear. Gear dropped from chests depends on the highest level gear you've seen so far (might be the highest you still own, so be careful salvaging). If you have power 126 from the last chest, the next one might drop 127 or even 128. It goes up fairly slowly like that.

The best thing to do is to open recruit boxes until 100, then open vet boxes until 200, then open level-up boxes while working on champ.

>>14492517

are you running a heroic deed right now?

>>14492726

I just want to get something for nothing,is that so much to ask for.

>>14492731

>Elf itself just provides a safe space for every tumblr autist that can’t communicate with normal people.

Fixed that for you.

>>14492753

>implying tumblr plays games

>>14492743

Yes, even i had to burn some savings from last month to get it on a br site with 21% off

>>14492770

I guess i won't get wise with the sleep still in my eyes,no matter what my dream may be.

My respect to anybody who gets that

>>14492869

I swear if it was you with your friends killing eachother, use your glaive charge attack more nigger

>>14492920

Those are actually the easier ones. Armored makes the game easier since theres less enemies overall, so Slayer bardin + Elf = Win>>14492920

>>14492920

When you do a Deed, do you ONLY get the deed reward, or do you get a regular one too?

>>14492988

regular too

>>14492988

You get both the chests for the deed + whatever you roll.

>>14491444

Greatsword has amazing range+damage. Whenever I use it I just clear rooms, and then for bosses you just rape their ass with a repeater crossbow. it's pure damage/rage mode combo.

>>14493549

Greatsword is amazing for keeping the horde at bay. The rapier is better for killing specials and bosses, but as a bounty hunter I use the repeater crossbow for those anyway.

>>14488546

Hopefully someday

I'm liking Bardin's Axe and Shield combo (ironbreaker career). Playing it on Champion now even though I'm only level 22, shit's pretty good. Just did a run of The War Camp with a level 30 Elf, Wizard, and Salty and I had the second highest damage in the group and never went down once.

Has anyone found new cosmetic clothing?

>>14493865

I found an elf hat once, but no clothes yet

I've reached the point where anytime I see Halescourge as the map I immediately leave. That boss is fucking bullshit and I'm not going to try playing him on champion as fucking Bardin.

>>14493955

You should know where to find them on all the maps by now, or at least all the non-boss maps.

>>14493913

Seriously how do you beat that fat fuck

>>14493977

DPS race with high damage ranged characters

>>14491813

Never even seen the flathead halberd might not be in the game yet. Already have the other Illusion though.

>>14494007

fugg

actually ment for

>>14493520

>>14493977

It's just a DPS race. If you try to kill him by attrition you'll lose. He just spawns way too much shit and punches right through blocks so you're only option is dodging, but he's just going to decide to shotgun in a random direction a lot of the time anyways so you're probably fucked if you can't drop him with your ranged weapons. You can still chop at his feet through the floor if he teleports onto the second story though. I wouldn't recommend risking melee much with him otherwise.

>>14493520

>what is the quickest way of getting the halberd illusion to the far right in this image?

Open lots of high-level legend crates and pray to Sigmar.

>>14488563

tfw no nullo lizardboi bf

>>14494082

Damage taken was mostly temp health decay. I was sitting at a full bar almost all game because of how much shit I was killing with my pistols alt fire.

>>14494082

Tips for a just turned level 7 ironbreaker? Should what skills should I look toward?

>>14494297

Looks like your elf sucks donkey dick to me, but I guess that's to be expected since handmaiden is utterly useless. Like seriously why?

>>14494195

Most important things for me aren't really the talents. It's the Drakefire Pistols charged fire which clears hordes extremely well (anything it doesn't kill gets knocked down/back to try again) and the Axe+Shield weapon combo which can block for days and throw every enemy on its ass when I push (also, shields block ratling guns). With 2 -30% block cost items it doesn't cost any stamina at all to block light attacks. If I want to, I can stand in a choke point with my shield up and just let my team deal with the horde.

>>14494345

He's not hard at all. Here's a protip: he only charges his effluvia ranged attack if a retard shoots at him.

Anyone having trouble with him should stunlock with bombs or specials. If you can't burst him, don't fucking shoot him with ranged until he hides on the platform. You can melee through terrain so have one dedicated nigger clearing the trash while the rest of the team dps in the corner. Afterwords he will teleport into the middle and do a wind storm. Hide in the same fucking corner you slapped his shit at.

>>14494503

That's not true at all, he still teleports around spamming it even if nobody is attacking him at all

>>14492731

fuck off, ye glaikit mayfly

I just unlocked IB.

What goes better with shield weapon, drake pistols or flamethrower?

>>14494964

flamethrower is a good horde killer but has next to no range

drake pistols have decent range even if their accuracy is shit and the charged attack can deal with hordes pretty well too.

I'm more of a fan of the pistols personally

>>14494964

Pistols are a midranged all rounder. You can snipe specials and kill armored stuff ok with normals, and your shotgun can do hordes quite well.

Flamer is VERY good at roasting hordes but can't really do anything else. You can use your normal to stagger most things, but keep in mind it has a deadzone right in front of you and costs a lot of heat.

How do you niggercattle tolerate EAC and Lootboxes animation that takes fucking forever and you can't even open multiple of them at once.

On top of devs listening to reddit for feedback?

>>14494979

>>14494964

Flamethrower is kind of weak. Not because it lacks for damage, but because you have to charge up before firing. If you get touched during the charge up, you lose it. If you get touched while firing, you lose the rest. If enemies die before you even finish charging you basically wasted your time.

Pistols on the other hand you can just instantly or near-instantly fire in "charged" mode to shotgun down hordes. The damage is low, but it's still enough to kill basic ratmen on champion in 1 shot, basic northlanders tend to take 2.

I didn't play Sienna at all in V1, but in V2, I can't stop.

>start with the flamestorm staff

>it aint me starts playing every map

>decide I need to try some other staffs

>what about Beam staff, looks nice got an orange

>friend tells me about the left click+right click attack

>it destroys specials

>so now my unchained sienna is good vs specials

>good vs hordes,

> cant die because of the passive

> the temporary health is great for venting

>I can take most bosses even 1v1

What the fuck were they thinking when they were making that staff?

>>14495229

Beam staff is OK, but I think fireball staff still beats it for everything but precision. Just spamming left click fireballs is WAY more DPS, plus easier headshots. Right click charged balls (charged as little as possible) penetrate armor, so it's good against everything. The only problem with fireball staff is it's accuracy. It can be hard to hit very distant targets and easy to hit allies. Beam staff does have the advantage of charging your special a bit faster too, but not enough to push it's overall damage over the fireball.

>>14495240

Oh, I should mention I'm considering this for the Pyromancer career. Unchained can go fuck itself with its useless, slow-charging career skill. The only real perk to Unchained is resetting Overcharge, but you get that as a level 25 perk for Pyro on a much shorter cooldown.

>>14487584

random shitter here

bought the game last night wirh a friend and the largest issue I'm having right now is that no one on the recruit difficulty has good equipment to deal reliable damage. couple that with retards who run around and trigger multiple hordes at the same time as well as the people who don't stay with the group during a horde attack and end up getting downed almost instantly, and it makes for a highly unlikely chance for success in a mission. best advice I can give a fellow new player: don't use quick play until you are higher level. Quick play matches you with people of similar level, meaning you won't win a match until your team is at least lvl 6. If you go into the lobby search though, you can choose an open game to join and hope you join some higher level dudes that can carry you to victory. and since victory gives you better xp and better rewards, it'll mean you can get stop being a shitter

>>14495290

hero power was a retarded idea and is the cause of shit like this.

>>14495246

That is correct, but unchained looks rad af and thats the only reason I play her.

her passive is great too for melee combat.

>>14495246

there's a nigh invincible unchained build out there, where you can stunlock bosses and vaporise hordes.

is there any real reason to use either of the subclasses for elf? shade's passive is shit for anything aside from bosses and has shit talents. same for handmaiden

>>14495290

Consider playing with bots.

>>14495341

no they're both shit.

>>14495343

are bots better than shitters? if so I will definitely switch over

>>14495443

Depends on the brand of shitter, at least bots stay with the fucking group.

>>14495443

Bots are passable at best their biggest advantage is that they stick close to you in relatively tight formation. So if you account for that and don't just run ahead you can stay safe enough and kill everything that comes too close.

Bots can use Abilities and will also give you any bombs, potions and healing draughts.

Books are different, they will only ever carry a tome when they can't carry a healing item and will drop the book in an instant if they find one.

They also never touch the grims.

All in all it is possible especially when you put time and thought into how to move, might even be actually better than retarded randos.

>>14495443

>>14495471

>>14495450

bots get raped by bosses

>>14493913

the answer is to have a kruger that rams him all the time out of his attack animations

>>14495853

>start quickplay legendary

>skittergate

>suicide

>>14495443

God no. Much as I wish it were otherwise, bots fail in a few key areas:

-they do not properly prioritize getting you up, if you go down, it's probably wipe

-they will fight bosses in tremendously stupid places causing wipe

-they struggle with armored enemies like stormvermin, I onced watch a Kruber bot fight 2 for over a minute with no other enemies while I bled out

You gotta play a super survivable class to make solo /w bots viable, IMO.

>>14495979

it hours the glass

>>14495979

so that you can count down on starting a match if someone needs to brb and you don't want to wait

>>14495290

Yeah, unfortunately the hero power system in this game makes the game seem much more difficult than it actually is when you first start for no real reason. It's much better if you play with bots for your first few rounds.

>>14495938

I think bots are fine if you have just one friend and you just want to get decent hero power at the start. I was in a similar situation as that guy, with one friend at low levels and kept losing quick play because people are terrible.

>>14495938

I'm doing solo Veteran runs with bots to catch up in power with my friends, so they're certainly better than most shitters I've come across.

I've also done Champion runs as a test and bots are perfectly fine too, so if you're in some 3rd world shithole with terrible internet you can certainly solo Champion by your lonesome.

Bots use the loadout, talents and power level of the host.

They use normals on horde type enemies, charge attack armored/bosses and use normal attacks on their ranged weapons. They will also use abilities to attack specials and bosses.

They will not charge attack hordes (as far as I saw) or charge attack with their ranged weapon.

They WILL chase certain specials like Blightstormers half way across the map, so pay attention and don't get left behind.

They will also get caught and eaten by Chaos Spawn, so make sure you have a frag nade handy, or play a class with stuns (Merc/Footknight/Pyro/BH comes to mind)

The weapon loadouts I use are:

Kruber uses Executioner's Sword and Handgun/Repeater

Elf uses Glaive and Longbow

Dwarf uses Axe/Shield and Pistols/Grudgeraker

Sienna uses Dagger/Normal Sword and Fireball Staff

The talent loadout I use are:

Kruber as Merc/Footknight with lots of passive buffs

Elf as Wayfinder to snipe specials

Dwarf as IB and pray he taunts at the right time, or Ranger to enjoy the free arrows/pots/nades

Sienna as Pyro to snipe specials

Vermintide 2 has been cracked!

>>14496750

how? I mean the loot works on a server basis and generally crashes if you remove the EAC and shit

>>14496644

so tell us anon what happened?

>>14496792

I got my box but nothing good dropped. Soyboy lives another day

>>14497302

Dash ability would have been better if it knocked down enemies instead of doing fucking nothing. The increased dodge is also shit.

>>14497302

>Make a class based on the super-elite guard of the elven queen

>Give her extremely minor perks

Pretty sure she'll be overhauled down the line but still.

>>14497937

Congrats, you are king among noobs.

>>14498049

Nothing too glorious, I acknowledge I'm pretty sure that scoreboard's got more to do with the spear being pretty good than anything actually related to the handmaiden class, but I did use the uninterruptible revive to save someone getting ganked by a horde a few times and then shove everything away to give them breathing room and that was fairly nice.

I guess I see what they were going with with this class, but she definitely needs something more than an anecdotal dodge increase. Maybe an extra-powerful shove.

>>14498120

>>14498105

handmaiden is shit.

Protip: you can block while reviving. Ironbreaker with shield is best reviver

>>14498105

>>14497937

Consider what Handmaiden brings with all of her talents:

>Uninturruptable revive

>Dodge out of a swarm with her special

Compare that with the other elf classes

Waywatcher

>Infinite ammo

>Doubled falloff range for ranged attacks

>Increased headshot damage

>Kills specials out of line of sight

>Team regeneration

Shade

>+100% damage from behind

>Use her special to run the hell away once your team is dead

Waywatcher is the only viable elf class. Shade does bring SOMETHING to the table with her extra damage, but it's not worth giving up what Waywatcher has.

>>14498254

I wish the handmaiden wasn't shit.

>>14498254

Handmaiden definitely does need a serious redesign to be anything worth picking over waystalker.

>>14498288

I wish the elf wasn't shit*

ftfy

>>14498302

The elf isn't shit though. She's the best damage dealer and the best for dealing with specials. She lacks the knockdown others have, but even at legendary you don't need EVERYONE spamming knockdowns, especially when you have elf+wizard to burn down the boss in record time.

>>14498228

Can fucking attest, was fighting the last boss of act 1, we died to it because fuck that guy, but my ironbreaker was giving us the old college try, 7 revives at the end of it, probably would have won if a horde hadn't spawned on me while I was trying to take out the boss with my dragon pistols.

>>14498415

Apprentice is the most common illusion for Sienna. She gets Apprentice>Adept>Master for every weapon and then unique illusions after that

>>14498465

Elf will beat saltscrub every time, she's better at both ranged AND melee and special killing. the only thing she doesn't bring is knockdown

>>14498473

Wrong.

But a well built Pyromancer might beat him out if you're talking just total damage in general.

>>14498489

Gotta play the others until you get level 12 kek

No ranged but 2 melee weapons, a jump that stuns and gives buffs and stacked attack speed buff with every melee hit up to 3 stacks.

>>14498465

But how else will I get my spear on?

>>14498553

Play Kruber like a man and use a real man's polearm.

>>14498368

But as a character she is still shit though

>>14498564

Using kruber's polearm is just straight up fun

>>14498610

Agreed, halberds are fun as fuck to use. They're fast and have long ass range, and get armor piercing light attacks.

>>14500079

are you an ausfag too?

if so we should play some time

http://steamcommunity.com/id/zombicfr

>>14500079

What is the best weapons for Sienna and which class suits for Crowd Control?

>>14500332

Fireball is better than both for raw damage, plus it doesn't slow you down as much for move and shoot. Not saying bolt and beam aren't good, but each has it's own niche

>>14500334

I haven't given fireball a go because i'm pretty sure you'd lose the insane crowd control of the bolt staff. How good is it for taking out specials? becuase I had a bit of trouble in champ mode with pubs running into my line of fire. I tested it on the dummy and it got roughly 2k each time but i dont know how well it would translate to heavy horde rushes, and somwehat feel it would just make sienna a weaker BH saltzpyre.

>>14500341

Fireball is pretty good at penetrating hordes (primary fire), I can usually chain-headshot them if they are rushing at me. It's a bit weak at dealing with specials due to inaccuracy, and does struggle a bit to avoid friendly fire.

>>14500354

But not as weak against specials or as difficult to manage in FF as the Bolt staff which can't hit shit at range unless you use the charged shot (which takes too long)

>>14500356

>>14500354

Fireball staff is also her best weapon against armored foes. The charged fireball is armor piercing (even vs chaos warriors/act bosses). With bolt and beam you MUST hit the head to do damage at all, which is pretty difficult to do consistently

So I decided to run a few maps as quickly as I could to see how long each one took. I'm running recruit with bots and grabbing one tome and grim on the way, but otherwise I pretty much don't stop.

Here's the times for the maps I've done so far. I start the timer the moment the countdown ends and loading begins and end it when the screen fades to black at the end.

Against the Grain: 10:36

The Screaming Bell: 9:29

Festering Ground: 12:12

Athel Yenlui: 10:09

Fort BrachsenbrukeL 8:29

>>14500432

Being in it for the fastest time aside, how viable a strategy is it? Do you get fucked over by hordes or specials?

>>14500543

Well my Dwarf, Elf, and Wizard are all level 30 already, so the bots are well talented and equipped. I was doing the runs with Saltz who was only level 17 to start with. The bots were good at killing specials as needed, and Saltz is great for killing bosses so those didn't live for long (being on recruit with power 300 gear).

Bots have the advantage of teleporting to you when you get to far from them, so nothing can really separate you and they stick together well so specials don't bother them. I just tried a run with Kruber (level 1) and it was still fairly easy, but the boss that showed up took a little while to kill. I doubt it would be very quick with low level bots however. There are also some spots on maps that bots cant path for some reason, so watch out for that.

>>14500850

Probably as soon as you find 200 power gear, so you can use the commendations to power through from 200 to 300.

Do NOT attempt Champion difficulty at under level 20. Just don't fucking do it. You need that temporary health on kill to not be a useless sack of shit.

>>14500850

I agree with this anon >>14500908

If I'm not mistaken, the commendation chests seem to be about soldier tier for champion, so they're not that great rarity. They're great for bumping that gear score up and will give you an easier time jumping into champion.

>>14501193

meant to quote >>14500865

>>14501832

The downed after regen thing is by design. When you get downed, you get a "wound" which only gets cured with healing items. Get too many wounds based on the difficulty level and you die. It's not about how much green health you have, green health is just tertiary related. Of course the game doesn't explain this anywhere.

FS is obnoxiously vague and inconsistent though. Some talents say "heals" while other say "give temporary health" but nearly all of them just grant temp health, but not all of them because fuck consistency. Many of them straight up don't give values for things at all. I can't determine if "Increases critical rate for 5 seconds" is any good if I don't know how much it increases critical rate. Zealot's pleasure for pain removes the 50% attackspeed bonus of his career skill, but people have been bitching about that since beta. FS hasn't so much as mentioned it so people still have no idea if it's a bug or an unlisted "feature"

>>14501909

>>14501832

If your screen is covered in a white/bright filter then you're on your last life. Can you tell how many you have before that though? I recon not.

>>14501946

Probably not, but I know you can get 3 wounds on recruit, 2 on veteran, 1 on champion etc.

>>14501960

Pretty much that. It's impossible to tell what's a bug, what isn't, and what is lost in obscurity; it makes dealing with it infuriating.